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#1846 Self-Driving Cars Are on the Way - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Patrick Jones, Binillo, Tiffany, and Cook. Welcome to another installment
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  Speaker 1: the You Project. It's tech Friday. Well it's tech Friday
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  Speaker 1: today for us, but you could be listening on Deck Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, mate?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like saying happy birthday today, because happy birthday Microsoft.
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  Speaker 3: Microsoft officially today is fifty years old.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of older than tiff but younger than you
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  Speaker 2: and me.
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  Speaker 1: So Microsoft is who invented Microsoft.
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  Speaker 2: I should know Bill Gates.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Bill Gates. I was going to for a moment
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  Speaker 1: thought he was Apple. No, that was Steve Jobs.
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  Speaker 2: It was Steve Job.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not you. That's why we have you.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. And Paul Allen.
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  Speaker 3: They developed the software initial software in nineteen seventy five
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  Speaker 3: for the l Tair eighty eight one hundred computer. But
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  Speaker 3: the big thing was when they released MS DOS to
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  Speaker 3: IBM in nineteen eighty and that was that was kind
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  Speaker 3: of the way it went. But I think for most
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  Speaker 3: people the rise of Windows and Office. So in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty five, Windows one point zero was launched and that
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  Speaker 3: was to take on Apple, and then Microsoft Office came
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  Speaker 3: out of nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Are you an Apple person, either of you.
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  Speaker 3: Two, I feel like you shouldn't be asking me this
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  Speaker 3: question because you know that I'm very anti Apple.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the way that Apple ecosystem kind of
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  Speaker 3: locks you into everything.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, if you.
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  Speaker 3: Wanted to drag an MP three file or music file
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  Speaker 3: onto your phone, you'd have to go through iTunes to
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  Speaker 3: do it, whereas on a you know, an Android phone,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you just drag and drop.
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  Speaker 2: You plug it into your computer and you drag and
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  Speaker 2: drop and it's there.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have Yeah, so I'm a bit more of
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  Speaker 3: a fan of an opening, open operating system that let
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  Speaker 3: you do more than being locked into the ecosystem. But
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  Speaker 3: the flip side to that is, you know, security on
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  Speaker 3: the iPhones was always considered to be better. And I
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  Speaker 3: remember there was a marketing campaign by Apple quite a
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  Speaker 3: few years ago that said Apple computers don't get PC viruses.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, they don't get PC viruses. They get Apple viruses.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality is that, you know, Microsoft it has
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  Speaker 3: been the dominant operating system, so more people use Windows
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  Speaker 3: and use Office. It's used more in a corporate environment.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, if you're going to write a computer virus.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to write it for the most popular computer
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  Speaker 3: system and operating system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't have a Mac, I am PC.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, and she used PC too, That's what I like
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  Speaker 2: about TIF.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we use PC and we are PC. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: not PC. Let's be honest to go to PC classes. Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Cameron, she's the She's the fully indoctrinated church of
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  Speaker 1: the Cult of the Apples. So she spent the last
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  Speaker 1: ten years trying to get me to use a Mac. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: even to the point where she personally wants to buy
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  Speaker 1: me one. I'm like, I don't want one, so old
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  Speaker 1: school Windows Jumbo.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it really comes down to what you
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  Speaker 3: want to do with that device. You know, Mas are
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  Speaker 3: really good at high end processing, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the film industry uses Max, although it's kind of moving
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  Speaker 3: now as well. What makes Apple a really interesting ecosystem
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  Speaker 3: is if you want to use the Apple, you know
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  Speaker 3: an environment, you have to buy an Apple device, Whereas
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  Speaker 3: if you want to use Microsoft so you see, you
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  Speaker 3: can buy a Dell Computing p you can buy a
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  Speaker 3: proprietary computer build one.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing that makes it a lot more accessible
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  Speaker 3: is because you're not locked into a single hardware provider,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, an iPhone will probably tend to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot more expensive for the same thing if you
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  Speaker 3: look at a Samsung equivalent, I mean they're all coming
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  Speaker 3: up in price now, the pixel, the Samsung, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on the Android environment, it's really it's fit for purpose.
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  Speaker 2: What are you going to do with.
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  Speaker 3: If you're just going to read emails, you know, do
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of typing, use chat jept, then you
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  Speaker 3: could probably get a two hundred and fifty dollars Chromebook
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  Speaker 3: and not need Microsoft or need to use Apple. You
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  Speaker 3: could just get something a lot cheaper. Now, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of schools went down that track to try to keep
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  Speaker 3: expenses down. They use what they call a Chrome book.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you're using an interface like Google's browser based interface,
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  Speaker 3: you can you know, all the stuff that I send
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  Speaker 3: to you, all those notes that I send to you,
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  Speaker 3: I put them all directly into an online cloud based
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  Speaker 3: word document that's actually not word it's just using Google Docs.
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  Speaker 3: So it means then I can get access to that
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  Speaker 3: on my phone wherever I am. So if I start
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  Speaker 3: working on that two weeks ago, can be on anybody's computer,
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  Speaker 3: log into my account and it's all there. So the
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  Speaker 3: whole idea of cloud based processing and cloud based software
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  Speaker 3: is what I think a lot of us are now.
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  Speaker 2: Moving across to as well.
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  Speaker 3: I use a graphic design package when I'm doing logos
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  Speaker 3: and layouts called Correl Draw, and they've just launched their
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  Speaker 3: browser based version, and that's pretty amazing because when you
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  Speaker 3: think about it, if you wanted to do graphic design work,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why Apple's are really good at that sort
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  Speaker 3: of high end video editing, you would traditionally have to
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  Speaker 3: buy a really expensive three and a half four and
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  Speaker 3: a half thousand dollar laptop or desktop machine. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're doing the graphic design online using something like Canva
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  Speaker 3: or in this case this new release only recently in
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  Speaker 3: the last week, Corell launched its own browser based soft
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  Speaker 3: you can do high end graphic editing, but it's all
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  Speaker 3: being processed at the other end, so you're just using
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  Speaker 3: a web interface. You don't need to have the software
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  Speaker 3: on your computer because you're just using your browser to
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  Speaker 3: access the software.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that was a little bit over my head, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll just go all right, how.
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  Speaker 2: Did you go out of ten? Like? How much of
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  Speaker 2: it do you reckon? That made sense.
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  Speaker 4: I used to work in the design industry.
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  Speaker 5: I used to be a bit Mac based back then
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  Speaker 5: and use all of those What I did like about
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  Speaker 5: the non you know when when you could just buy
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  Speaker 5: the software and do it under a student and then
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  Speaker 5: you had it forever and then, and now it's a
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  Speaker 5: subscription based and you've got to pay for it all
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  Speaker 5: the time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still using a really old version of Correll Draw
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  Speaker 3: that's twelve years old.
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  Speaker 2: It just does exactly what I needed to do.
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  Speaker 3: And I just keep thinking, I'm already paying for the
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  Speaker 3: Adobe Suite and it costs me every month, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to buy another one. But I only buy
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  Speaker 3: the Adobe Sweet for my because he does a lot
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  Speaker 3: of our video editing and a lot of that kind
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  Speaker 3: of high end stuff because he's got a background in television,
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  Speaker 3: so he videos, He does all the video ing and
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  Speaker 3: edits all of that on you know, the more high
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  Speaker 3: end computer, whereas me, I don't need that sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Power to do all the editing.
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  Speaker 3: He can do that in a daybe oldest years Correll
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  Speaker 3: Draw twelve year old to Correl Draw, I've just to.
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  Speaker 4: Make himself a coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was just going to
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  Speaker 1: point out that I actually have a student card and
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  Speaker 1: I can go and buy whatever it apple at a
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  Speaker 1: student the world. When I walk in and flash that,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, fuck off, did you steal this from your grandson?
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  Speaker 4: Are you the principal of the school?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Are you the dean of Monash University? Is your
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  Speaker 1: driver outside? Yeah? That's hurtful. Speaking of driving, Patrick, let's
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  Speaker 1: start our list. So I'm interested in self driving cars
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  Speaker 1: in Australia, whether or not they are going to eventuate.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us, well, what's your thought process on self driving cars?
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  Speaker 3: First and foremost, do you feel like this is a
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  Speaker 3: good way to go?
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to be better?
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  Speaker 3: Because when I drive into Melbourne and I get the
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  Speaker 3: white knuckle driving because I'm not a good driver. I'm
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  Speaker 3: a country driver. We don't even have any stop signs
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  Speaker 3: in Milan. We just have give way signs to your
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  Speaker 3: role of the intersection. Have a look left, have a
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  Speaker 3: look right, keep going, there's no traffic lights.
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  Speaker 2: I love that, But when I get to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: I start to perspire a lot, and my white knuckle
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  Speaker 3: driving kicks in and I get really apprehensive, and people
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  Speaker 3: drive fast and they cut you off and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I like to live a really big gap between me
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  Speaker 3: and the car in front of me. So yes, I'm
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  Speaker 3: the annoying person that does that when you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: get to wherever you're going and want to be there
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  Speaker 3: ten milliseconds earlier. But the reality of it is that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all the new technology that's going into cars
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  Speaker 3: means that we're going to be safer on the roads,
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  Speaker 3: you know, auto breaking, lane assist, all that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But what's what's your take on that? Would you like
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  Speaker 3: to be chaffeur driven by your AI Patrick?
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  Speaker 1: I would be on that shit in a second. I
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  Speaker 1: would sit in the passenger seat today. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: do like driving, by the way, but I think, and
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, your honor. I think the chances
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  Speaker 1: of old mate down the road who isn't paying attention
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  Speaker 1: while he's behind the steering wheel of his Mazda him
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  Speaker 1: crashing into me is far less is far more likely
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  Speaker 1: than an autonomous car or a self driving car and
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  Speaker 1: me being like, I think, could you imagine how much
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  Speaker 1: testing they need to go through. It's already happening in California,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, there's self driving cars and taxis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely do it. I would definitely do it.
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  Speaker 1: And like think about when I go and visit Ron
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  Speaker 1: and Mary, which is four hours of driving, God bless
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  Speaker 1: their little socks. I could just sit in the back
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  Speaker 1: new fucking meetings, or I could just snooze and then
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  Speaker 1: an arm could come out and just gently rub my
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  Speaker 1: back when I'm five minutes from their house and go
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  Speaker 1: sweety sweety in Patrick's voice, Sweetie, get up, I'm like, ahuck, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just stretch my arms, get out and go and give
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  Speaker 1: Mary a cuddle.
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  Speaker 2: Boom. I'm worried about that electronic garment. What else it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be used for?
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  Speaker 5: Steady on?
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  Speaker 2: Look, So I'm into that, I think.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, for people, say who were riding motorbikes,
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  Speaker 3: if you had a car that was able to sense
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  Speaker 3: a bike rider behind them beside them, that would be
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  Speaker 3: so much safer. You know, if you went to go
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  Speaker 3: to the next lane and you knew there was a
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  Speaker 3: motorbike there, then there's no chance because we know how
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  Speaker 3: blind spots are so dangerous, and you know, an accident
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  Speaker 3: on a motorbike has an exponential amount of injury compared
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  Speaker 3: to having this big tin you know, traption around you
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  Speaker 3: so I think it'd be great for bike riders because
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  Speaker 3: other cars are autonomous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and think about also from when you think about
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  Speaker 1: humans behind steering wells. Humans get tired, humans get distracted,
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  Speaker 1: humans lose focus, humans get angry like that. None of
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  Speaker 1: those things are issues with autonomous vehicles. Which is not
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  Speaker 1: to say they're infallible or they can't. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just as a me just answering the question, what about you, tip,
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  Speaker 1: would you.
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  Speaker 4: I think I would.
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  Speaker 5: I think What just jumped into my head though, was
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  Speaker 5: thinking of the motorcycles. Is there any scenario where a
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  Speaker 5: self driving car could not react the way it needs
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  Speaker 5: to if something comes up? So if a motorcycle cuts
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  Speaker 5: a car off, can that car read all of the
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  Speaker 5: cues it needs to to have the best outcome.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: And actually it's interesting because there's a researcher at monash
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  Speaker 3: Uni by the name of Professor Stuart Russell, and he
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  Speaker 3: did an article on Drive. He was interviewed on Drive
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  Speaker 3: and what he's saying is AI is going to be
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  Speaker 3: the biggest disruptor to road safety since the seat belt.
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  Speaker 3: That's he's been quoted. And what he's saying is autonomous
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  Speaker 3: technologies and whether it's a merging breaking real time hasard detection,
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  Speaker 3: they're being tested right now. And because it's AI driven,
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  Speaker 3: there's that learning component, that ability to be able to
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  Speaker 3: adapt because when you've got cameras and a detection system,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, the problem with a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: is and I see this with my car, and we've
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  Speaker 3: heard stories of where there may have been a misreading
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  Speaker 3: of a sign.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my car is pretty smart.
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  Speaker 3: If I change into a different speed zone, it uses
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  Speaker 3: either my GPS or some sort of character recognition to
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  Speaker 3: work out what speed the sign is. But with an
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  Speaker 3: AI backing to that, you're drawing on a much bigger
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  Speaker 3: pool of data. So, in answer your question, TIF, if
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  Speaker 3: you're using a much higher kind of integrated AI system,
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  Speaker 3: then it's more likely to know how to adapt to
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  Speaker 3: those situations when it encounters a motorbike, if a bike
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  Speaker 3: rider comes in from middle lane and crosses over in front,
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  Speaker 3: it may actually be better than just a pre programmed
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  Speaker 3: system because it's always learning and always adapting.
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  Speaker 1: And you think about the fact, sorry tip, that you
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  Speaker 1: know dogs and cats and kids and soccer balls and
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  Speaker 1: bikes push bikes. I mean, you know how many kids
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  Speaker 1: are going to run across a road or chase the
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  Speaker 1: ball or I mean, it's got to be it's got
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  Speaker 1: to be programmed to deal with, you know, the unexpected
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  Speaker 1: and the unplanned and the unforeseen. Otherwise it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: functional because it's like a road is not a predictable environment,
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  Speaker 1: So it's got to be able to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: unpredictable potholes.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Jeff, what if their computer controlled What about the
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  Speaker 6: the idea that maybe one day then they can be
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  Speaker 6: hacked or someone can hack and pre program.
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  Speaker 4: The car and then cause a deliberate accident.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a real that's actually a really good point
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  Speaker 3: and a reality. But that's the case of everything. You know,
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  Speaker 3: your temperature controlled thermostat that's connected to Google Home, or
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  Speaker 3: the lights or you know, or the power grid that's
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  Speaker 3: being run because there's an operating system that might be
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  Speaker 3: connected to the Internet as well. It's really hard to know.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess the burden is on the developers and
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  Speaker 3: legislators to say, well, look, yes, we will allow this
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  Speaker 3: to happen, but only if there's very strict guidelines and
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  Speaker 3: prerequisites that are in place. We're scrambling at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: We are way behind the eight ball with legislation. Legislation
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  Speaker 3: is noing near catching up to what technology is being
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  Speaker 3: rolled out of the moment, and so if you if
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  Speaker 3: you reckon we're saved from hackers, we're not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one of the little stories I.
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  Speaker 3: Was going to talk about later on in the show,
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  Speaker 3: we can talk about it now is the hey mum texts.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how people are faking getting access to the
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  Speaker 3: numbers of children and grandchildren and then using AI to
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  Speaker 3: replicate voices or to send a text and say, look,
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  Speaker 3: I've just my phone's been damaged or I've dropped it
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  Speaker 3: in the toilet, I've got a new number. I'm desperate
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  Speaker 3: because I've got to make a payment on the house
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  Speaker 3: and if I don't, they're going to kick me out
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  Speaker 3: of the house. I don't know what to do, Mum,
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  Speaker 3: Can you help me? You know, all those sorts of things,
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  Speaker 3: not just the text because the text scam has been
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  Speaker 3: around for a while and people are becoming more complacent
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  Speaker 3: to it. You've heard about the hey mum texts? You Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I think.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to have They suggest that you have either
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  Speaker 1: a like a code word patrick or a where your
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  Speaker 1: text back can you go, by the way, when's your birthday?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, But well the birthday thing may not be
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  Speaker 3: a good one because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: it's a lot of us put so much onto social media.
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  Speaker 3: If you've got a quick AI algorithm, it could just
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  Speaker 3: scan tif social media and check out when her last
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  Speaker 3: birthday was.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it can be smart. That's the scary thing.
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  Speaker 3: We give so much data away voluntarily that those sorts
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  Speaker 3: of questions you really would have to think of something
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  Speaker 3: you know quite you know, like I cut off my
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  Speaker 3: nipple at a gym one day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's specific. By the way, what was that?
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  Speaker 1: It makes me squirm when you bring that up.
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  Speaker 2: To brig it up. Well, that's something that an AI
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't know. But then again, if it listened to all
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  Speaker 2: your podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you say, which which part of your body
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  Speaker 1: did you cut off? Once? And it's never coming up
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  Speaker 1: with nipple, is it. There's aboute percent of our audience going,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have to explain it, aren't we. Sorry
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  Speaker 2: for those who have heard it before, Na, it's.
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  Speaker 7: Always I need to know, all right, Well, I was
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  Speaker 7: I was probably with not too much concentration.
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  Speaker 1: Just I had the scissors out and I was just
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  Speaker 1: giving myself a little bit of a curate around the
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  Speaker 1: hairy chest region. And and I may or may not
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  Speaker 1: have been fully concentrating. Cut off a few hairs around
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  Speaker 1: the nipple region and just cut off sliced off the
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  Speaker 1: end of my nipple like with scissors, but right off
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  Speaker 1: about a millimeter of And fair to say that hurtled alots,
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  Speaker 1: didn't Thanks for bringing that that little sucker blood Yeah, no,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: thanks for bringing that up on International Bloody Podcast.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: It humanizes your club crago, you know. Yeah, when people
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: do stupid things, you.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Don't think anyone in the world has got me on
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a pedestal. I don't think there's one person listening to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: this who thinks too highly of me.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know they used to, they used up until now.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Why wood or wouldn't I let Tiff drink from my
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: water bottle? Why is that? At time?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: And that was a question to you, would you let
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Tiff drink from your water bottle? And I was going
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: to ask Tif the same question. So you take a
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: swig and then you hand it over or vice versa, which.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You drink a little bit older context. It's not really
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: about Tiff. It's just not something I generally do. But
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: if Tiff and I are out and we've just hyped
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: up Mount Casiosco and there's only one water bottle, well,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of course, but in general terms, and it's not about Tiff,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, fucking girls germs do.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Though, I'm going to joke to death here. No, look,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it was kind of drawing a.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Really wide bow here because the actual story is more
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: basically focused on me and Tiff. And some vets have
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: started saying that you shouldn't let your dog drink from
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: communal dog bowls. You know, when you walk past cafes
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and there's a bowl there, and they say you shouldn't
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: do that because there's all these things that dogs can
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: can actually catch. So for all the dog owners out there,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and I know it's got nothing to do with tech,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: but in case you're a dog owner, I saw this
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: story and I just thought, you know, think again before
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you do a shared dog.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Bowl, I reckon, before you worry about, you know, drinking
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: water from a bowl, maybe think about you know, not
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: licking your own balls. Maybe if we're worried about germs
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and shit, let's start and snipping other dogs' asses. Let's
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: get our nose out of the Pooh region and then
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: let's worry about the communal water down the track. My dogs,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: dogs are just they have their face in everything, all things,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: germs all the time. Oh look, here's a dead awesome
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I'll put that in my mouth.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: You know, no one's asked me why I'm wearing a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: pair of sunglasses on my head.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Well all right, tell us.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I know backdrop looks like the beach,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: but because.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You bought yourself some of those PERV glasses that video record.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And I borrowed the PERV glasses.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: So when I was in Rome a few years ago
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: with some mates, two of them went into a sunglass
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: place and bought these sunglasses, which I mean, for all
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: intents and purposes, they.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Just look like normal sunnies, don't they.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I can see the little cameras top right and left
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: froy only because I'm looking though.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but really you wouldn't notice it. You can
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: take video and steal shots. And the reason I kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of I brought them along so they're just so Tiff
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: could see them as well. Just the fact that they
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: just look like normal sunglasses. That the sides are a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: little bit wider, a little bit thicker, but when you're
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: wearing them, you just wouldn't know. And it kind of
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: what raises the privacy think because Meta so the company
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: that owns Facebook, which always scares the but Jesus.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Out of me the things that they do.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: But Meta has working on a thing called Hyperova glasses.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: So this is the next iteration of these glasses. Now
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: they're going to come with a really big price tag,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: but they're going to have the ability to have apps
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and to be able to take high resolution video and
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: still shots, and they'll have a little mini screen that
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: projects on the inside of one of the glasses. So
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: what you'll eventually be able to do is you'll have
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: apps and you'll be able to swipe can you you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: you can imagine seeing someone walking down the street and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you think, oh, they're blowing a swiping a fly or something.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But what you'll be doing is you'll be controlling the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: glasses just by hand movements. And look, Mark Zuckerberg is
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: kind of saying he wants to get rid of phones entirely.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You won't need phones.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: You just have these glasses you put on and the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: speakers will connect to them. So these things have speed
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: is in them. They're the ones that they're kind of
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the bone conducting ones, Tiff the ones that I both use.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And so you know, you have everything in the glasses.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about anything. You just check
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: them on and off you go. But what about the privacy.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I would want every single person
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: walking past a park for example. You know, I do
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a photo shoot for a client recently who wanted to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: get some photos around town, and they wanted to showcase
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: some of the really nice things. And there's a new
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: water park that they've set up at the here in
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Beland and it's been really done, very very well. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I had problems getting there to take photos because they
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: kept being kids there. So I wanted to be there
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: when there was a time when there was no one around,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: because I always feel self conscious. I didn't want to
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: take photos. And even though in a public place, the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: legality is this, if you walk down the street with
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: these ray bands and you take photos or video, you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: allowed to in a public place. You can take video
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: and take photograph uffs and it is not against the law.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to publish it? Though? Are you allowed
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to put that online?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: What's stopping you?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm asking is it legal or illegal?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not illegal, No, it's not illegal.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I mean if we're at a cafe and you just
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: take a photo of Tiff and there are three people
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: in the background, and you put it on social media,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: your account, well you don't go over to those three
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: people and ask for their consent because they just happen
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to be sitting at the table behind you. So there
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: are no laws stopping people from using these sorts of devices.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, if I pick up my phone
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: or I pick up a camera, you know I'm taking
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a photo. But with these sorts of glasses, they're so subtle. Admittedly,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: when you're recording, there's a little tiny led that comes on.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: It's a little white light.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But again, I guess a sharpie could just be painted
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: over if you wanted to. But when they bought them
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: when we were overseas, I just kind of immediately dubbed
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: them the PERV glasses.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I don't and I certainly wouldn't want to record everything
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I do every day as I'm walking around.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: That'd be boring.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And I think also I mean, you know, Okay, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: let's say, by the way, I'm pretty sure Apple and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Samsung at OL are not too thrilled with his idea
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: about getting rid of phones. But I mean, it's not
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like a phone is inconvenient, you know. It's like we've
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: got to get to the point where we go, Well,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: most phones are pretty small. They've got a lot of capability.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You know. It's my diary, it's my tracker of my
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: this and that. It's all my apps, it's my appointments,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it's my musical EPI center, it's you know, like I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: don't know that we need and I don't know that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I want to be perpetually wearing glasses?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Will you do anyway? You're wearing them now?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: But I mean everyone, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: But from I mean, I can think of a couple
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: of instances where it would be great not to have
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the phone on you and to have it all in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: a pair of sonnies. You know, if you on the beach, ure,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: if you're going to the gym and you you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: you don't want to have the cumbersome phone with you,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: then that that would make sense.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Okay, here.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: He's out, what do you reckon se phone. We're a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: pair of sunglass.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think all. I don't think every next thing
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: is necessarily a better thing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I just think.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It's another thing, like is it going to make my life?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's like my friend used to have a BMW in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the early It was like an eight years or something
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: like the Burger with the lot and it literally had
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a remote control patrick like a tele remote control, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: little for the for the music and stuff. I'm like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the buttons are six inches away, you know, I'm like,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: just the most ridiculous, redundant thing of all time. Tell
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: me about perpetual April Fools jokes?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: This is kind of cute. Do you do April Fools jokes?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: The thing that gets me is, I mean I haven't
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: done them for a while, and in fact, I kind
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of find that you've got to be careful with what
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you do with April Fool's jokes because you know it
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: can be quite sensitive for people. But do you guys
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: have have you been the victim of or if you
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: ever done in April fools?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: No, I've been a victim of. I mean, but to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this point, just quickly, I saw a really interesting and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: this must have taken some courage and cheap. This lady
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: she was either a teacher or a principal of a school,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and she got all the year eleven students And I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: saw this yesterday online at their school and they had
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this like this meeting and she said and she basically
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: told them, so next year, twenty twenty six will be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: their year twelve and they're graduating, right, And she said,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I've just learned that there's been a restructure of the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: final year of whatever they call it VCE, and they
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: said there's now going to be a year thirteen and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it starts next year, so I know that you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: moving forward, this is going to be the standard. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: unfortunately you guys are the first ones to deal with this,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but you'll now be graduating in twenty twenty seven, not
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. And they filmed all the kids and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it's like a private school. They're all well dressed, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: their kids are like, what the fuck, Like they've just
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: gone no, you're not finishing in a year, you're finishing
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in two years. And it was all very official, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they were all in an auditorium and it was all
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm like and then basically about two minutes later,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: she goes nas sucked in. There's cameras around the room
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: filming you. But they all of them were in like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: no one went this as bullshit. They all thought it
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was real.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Look, I've I've done a couple of April full jokes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I don't mind doing them, but I've lessened that maybe
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I grew up. Oh maybe not. I just haven't done them.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But there's a few tech companies and what I was
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: getting about getting back to with the perpetual April fool
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: jokes is when they get published online, then the joke
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: could appear in your feed three or four days later,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and that's where it starts to fall over. I mean,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: companies should be like up for the day, then delete
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the post. So to give you a great example, I
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: thought this was quite a good one. Adobe came out. Well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: there was a suggestion on April Fool's Day that Adobe
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: was going to charge people to have access to the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: undo button. So when you're working in the Adobe Suite
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and you make a mistake, you would have to pay
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: to have that feature. So it was an additional feature
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: that came with the paid version.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So there's a free version, but if you want the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: undo button.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: You've got to pay for the upgrade, which would give
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you multiple undos.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of fun. That was a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: bit clever and cute.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: The other one that I thought was really fun was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: an AI dog translator. So you know they're talking about
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: AI translations for human beings, but now you can translate
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: your with your phone and you can talk to your dog.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: So you say your command and then it barks that
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the dog, and the dog understands you, and vice vice versa.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: That was what I thought was good. But the other
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: one I thought was interesting talking about not being able
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: to speak the language is zoomers.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Do you know what a zoomer is?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: No, alas reminds me of a boomer.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that's the reason that they came
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: up with the idea of Zoomer. Basically is an informal
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: term for a member of Generation Z or Gen Z,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: so anybody worn between the ninety nineties and early two thousands.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: But now they're calling them zoomers, and again I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: that's a play on the boomer thing. There's a company
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: called Razor that does some pretty cool gadgets and bits
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and pieces, keyboards, gaming equipment. They've come out with a skibbety.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Now the skibbity it was their April full joke. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: what it was it was a headset that you could
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: put on which was the world's first AI powered brain
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: rot translator, and it allowed parents to talk to their
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: kids and translate what their kids were saying, saying what
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: the Zoomers were saying into into real language. And they
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: even did put the translator on their website for the day,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: which was kind of fine, a bit of a play
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: around with it because I have no idea you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: what what gen Z's or gen Z's say, and they
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: have almost their own language when they talk to each other,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: particularly the younger kids.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You sound like an old person.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Now I do.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Bloody Elvis presently came out gyrating his hips. My god,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it's the nation coming to with his provocative dancing. But
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: what would be very cool, especially for you two, is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: imagine if I guess it could happen, but imagine if
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: they did develop a program or an app that interpreted
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: your dog and you could talk to it like literally.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it would be the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: equivalent of English, but how cool would that be if
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you could, you know, have a conversation with your dog.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: If what would you ask your dog? What's the one
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: question that you would ask?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Luna or I have full conversations with her, so I'd
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: just keep having them.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: But yeah, i'd know the answers.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: What if she understood you, though, and she could clearly
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: give you an answer to a question. That's a pretty
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: good question, Patrick, you know what i'd ask Tiff. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: think it's hard to answer, though.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I'd say to Fritz when I went visiting a friend
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: recently at her house, I would say to him, why
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: did you feel the need to piss in my friend's backyard?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Forty times? I counted, right, So Luna and Walter would
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: playing running around the backyard of a friend's place. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: what was Fritz doing. He was just lighting up and
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: market his territory. And I thought, you know, forty it
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was over.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Forty Yeah, not exaggerating on the number it was for
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: it was forty times.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't he just go? I was just letting everybody
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: know that that's mine.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Everything, everything was his.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: In fact, none of us, we were all concerned about
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: sitting still for too long because I reckon you could.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: End up being marked as well. It was outrageous, like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the Fritz.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Can I ask a veterinary question? Okay, has Fritz still
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: got his nads? No?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I got him when he was two and a half
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and he'd already been for a visit to the vet.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So no, he doesn't.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh that that's because often I think that's more I've
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: got testicles and I'm a fucking alpha dog kind of behavior.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: No, I've had two boy dogs, both of whom had
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: no jets crackers, and they both lifted their legs. Although
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Walter doesn't seem to do that now that I think
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of it. The other whippet that we played with.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Lose it, does it a little bit?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I'll see. There you go. So that's good.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: She's didy percent dude as well, like her mum.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Blocks of back up to a tree and kind of
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: cock one leg up and pretend she's a bloke for
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: a moment.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: What that's hilarious? Patrick? Am I wasting characters when I type?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Look? Okay, I kind of wasn't sure.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I started writing this two weeks ago and I noticed
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: that I did something, and I started asking people if
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: they do the same thing.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So this is a very personal.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Weird trait that I have and I think it's a
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: bit OCD. So you know, when you're typing something out
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: and you realize you need to change a word, I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: don't like to erase the whole word.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I like to just erase the characters.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to use because I don't want to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: waste the characters, and I didn't add the characters I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: want to use.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Does that actually make sense?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I actually think that's That's a bit strange, isn't it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: You need some therapy.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I think there are other people who do it, because
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I did ask around, and one person I spoke to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: did say that they understood what I meant and that
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that's what they do. I just feel bad for the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: characters that are getting deleted.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe you put that as a topic
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: on the list.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: She used to know if anybody else does it?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Aw, Come on, you do that?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: You've never thought about that?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: That that poor word that you just typed out, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: now you're just going to delete it?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Are you anthropomorphizing letters very much?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And words?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Tell us why they're setting teslas on
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: fire in Rome?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Look?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: This is not only Rome, by the way.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not shouldn't be laughing, because there's thought
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that as many as seventeen Teslas were destroyed when a
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: fire broke out earlier this week, So depending on when
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: you're listening to this, but it wasn't that long ago
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and they're investigating, but they do feel that it was
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: deliberately lit, which meant that it was a kind of
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: knee jerk reaction to what's going on in the United
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: States with Elon Musk and you and all.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: The bad press that he's been getting.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And also I think that Elon Musk is mates with
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the Italian Prime minister, so there's also because there was
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: some more vandalism in the town that the Italian Prime
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Minister comes from, so I think that may have been
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know what the backstory is, but
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: there's more and more of this going on. And I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: kind of feel sorry for Tesla owners because when you
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: thought of a Tesla driver, you thought, what a greenie
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: good on your mate. You've gone and spent that much
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: money because you want to save the planet, and now
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I do feel for people who went out
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and spent a lot of money buying an electric car,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: think and they would doing the right thing, and now
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: they feel a bit maligned, a bit like I've got
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: two I should talk to.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Them about whether they feel embarrassed now.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Also, by the way, if you're going and committing a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: criminal act and defacing someone's car or burning someone's car
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: is your version of protecting the planet, you're a fucking idiot.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Well I think that just a reaction to Elon must
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: know what I was saying is that Tesla drivers bought
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: their Teslas because they were saving the planet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is people are still going out.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I mean burning cars that people already have bought, or
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: cars in dealerships. I mean that's hurting a lot more
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: people than just Elon Musk. Like, that's a very slow
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: road to get to hurt Elon Musk if that's your
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: own goal, yeah, I mean a lot of other people
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: on the way.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Financially, all the thing is it just means insurances are
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: going to go up, and it has that overflow effect
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to everybody. If suddenly, you know, Tesla's are being vandalized,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: well they're going to be go back to the insurance
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: company and get them repaired, and as a consequence, all
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: their insurances are going to go up because They always
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: go up, don't they.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: One of the one of the websites or one of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the services that has been of interest to me has
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: filed for bankruptcy, which is twenty three and Me, which
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is there, like the genetic database, you find out who
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: your family tree and your lineage are. They're gone or.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: They're going under, mate, they've gone under now they're they're gone.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: They're gone.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And the concern now is what's going to happen to
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the database because twenty three and Meter one of those
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: genetic text texters texters testers, that's right. So you do y,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: spit in this test tube or whatever, and then you
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: send it off and they come back with whether you're
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, half of Viking and the other half is
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: something else loves to be a Viking?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Would you yeah?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: How good would that be?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of, But I guess you've probably got more
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: chance of being a Viking than I have. I don't know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: but yes, it is kind of cool. And I think
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: when we get older we take more of an interest
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: in our ancestry. I certainly did you know. When I
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: was a kid, I couldn't give a rats. But as
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I've traveled more and i've visited the country where my
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: parents came from, to Malta, and you know, you kind
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: of get impressed by the fact that's this little tiny
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: rock and the Mediterranean and so resilient. Over the years,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you know, people have tried to invade it, and the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Germans tried to bomb the crap out of it, as
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: did the Italians, and the fact that it withstood.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: The might of you know, those evil powers.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: You know, you do feel a sense of well, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: hope that resilience kind of rubs off a little bit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: But the concern with this is that there are millions
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: of people out there who have their genetic data that
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: now could potentially get sold off to a third party,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: and there is no way of knowing what's going to
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: happen to it once it's gone.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's concerning if do you know anything about
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: your lineage, anything about your your family tree or your
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: origin story.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Not really.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I think Dad, if I had a chat to Dad,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: I think he did a bit of digging around recently.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of us Ossie's who've been
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: around here for a generation or two or three came
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: from England or Scotland or Ireland or I know my
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: on Mom's side, irish as fuck.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: So you know tif Craig's family trees a cactus.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: That was hurtful.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: The thing, Jake, I could think of that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Now, what I'm going to do is just going to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: go okay.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And just die a little inside.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: You know, I just thought of ron and Mary when
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: you said that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I see, now you make me feel really bad teasing
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Crago but Ronin, Yeah, they're lovely.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I think you made yourself feel bad.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did make myself feel bad.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm not going to respond to that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: with similar energy.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just that makes you the better man. It does.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say thank you. Patrick. Tell me about
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the Melbourne Animal Hospital trials or trials iPads for cats,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's an interesting pology and cats.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because we're trying to get kids off technology,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: but let's put kittens on iPads. So the Lord Smith
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Animal Hospital is doing a trial at the moment. So
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: it's got fifty cats and at their campbell Field adoption
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: center and what they're finding is obviously stimulating these cats
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: is really difficult when you've got lots of cats all
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: you know, waiting to be adopted and you can't spend
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: as much time as you need to with the animals.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So they're trialing out iPad with pictures with birds fluttering
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: around and all that sort of stuff, and it seems
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: like they're getting really good success with the animals being
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: less stressed because they're being you know, stimulated more, which
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: is really nice. But I thought that was kind of
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: interesting that they're putting iPads to good use. And you
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: wouldn't want to give one to Fritz because he'd piss
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: on it. But aside from that, I think for the
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: cats it's a great idea.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you to a dog question?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Well no, I think it's dog tech related, so it's
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: loosely related to what you talk can don't laugh at me?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: This might be a stupid question because dogs don't see
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the way we see, right, and they have a different
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: color spectrum and all of that. Can they see images
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: clearly on television?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Like do they see what we see? Because it seems
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like you know when people dog crazy dog people kind
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of call their dog call home and then they want
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to talk to the dog on fucking FaceTime. The dog
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what the fuck's going on, does it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting one.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I know that I don't know about Luna, but Fritz
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to react at all to what's going on
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: on the screen, more so to the sound if there's
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: a combulence goes past, because he'll start howling. If he
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: hears an ambulance or a police scar, his ears break
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: up at the sound. I mean, they can see, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes people turn TVs on to keep their
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: dogs company when they're not home.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Does Luna react at all, tiff.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: No, but sometimes if I would turn the TV and
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: watch it, there sits on the bench in front of
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the TV and then tries to bat things that she
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: can see on the TV.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: That's really annoying. Oh, he responds to it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I think it depends on the animal, but it certainly
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: dogs see the world mostly through their noses because they
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: have an amazing sense of smell.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: But that said, they do have good vision. You know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: most dogs have reasonable vision.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I think they would have no problem seeing a TV
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: screen and what's going on. Maybe they're just not fooled
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: because of the depth perception thing, you know, because it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: a flat screen and things are there.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe they because it's not in three D maybe you
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: need to get three D glasses and then dry luder
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and see if see if you.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Then they would know because the smell anyway.
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: Yeahsion, Oh sorry, Weed, that was quite funny.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: That was a thing TIF that smell of Vision was
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a theme. What you don't know about smell vision? Oh no,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: it was a marketing thing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: And what would happen is you get a coupon in
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: the mail and at certain times during the program you
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: were watching, you scratched it like a scratchy ticket and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: it would have a smell. It was smell of Vision.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Wow, we've come a long way.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Patrick, Yeah, tell me, tell me what Studio Ghibli is.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so have you. It's an amazing.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: You know cartoon production company in Japan that it's probably
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: best known for movies like Spirited Away, but they have
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: this most unique way of presenting movies in animations in
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: a most beautiful way. So this style is really really,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: really specific to this particular production house. They've put out,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you know, dozens and dozens of these movies over the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: year and they are magical to watch. You know, Studio
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Ghibli is renowned and now chat GBT has come out
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: with this effectively Studio Ghibli generator where you can upload
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a photo of your cat or Craig sitting at a
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: cafe and it will mimic the style of the Studio gibly,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you know, cartoon. And what you've got to realize too
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: with Studio Ghibli is every scene is hand made, hand painted, right,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: so all their cartoons are meticulously crafted. These are individual
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: works of art that then get turned into a movie.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: And this is where it's become really interesting because even
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: though they're doing these AI copies of these cartoon style,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: there seems to be just a little bit of a
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: little bit missing and it's intangible.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: You look at them and you think, oh, yeah, it
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: could be, but it seems to be lacking. And I
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: reckon there's going to be a pushback to this, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I would love to know. I mean, I don't have
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: lots of expensive art work, but I've been really lucky
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: over the years that friends have gifted me paintings that
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: they've made. Your father, does you know your dad made
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: some amazing ron was great at painting, you know, he
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: picked up painting later in life, didn't it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: He always visualating officially, Ye, No, he was very talented artistically.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: So he was always designing and drawing because he was
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: originally back in the days when they would call them
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a window dresser and they oh, yeah, that's yep. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: back in the days when like he worked for Maya
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and George's and he was the what was the creative
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: something director for Meya Australia. Like he was, so he
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: could draw anything. But in terms of actually painting on canvas, yeah,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: he started when he was in his fifties and he
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: was straight away awesome at it, which is and I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: think he entered like five or six competitions and he
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: won everything he entered, so he was very I don't
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: have that talent, but yeah, but it's it's really interesting,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: this Patrick, because there's this this point now where creativity,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: this natural ability to write beautifully or to paint beautifully,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: or to design a cover, or to produce a film
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: with actors and lights, camera action and all, and you know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: pretty soon they're going to be able to produce or
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: even now you know, stuff which is comparable to look
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: at or to experience as a as a viewer or
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: as a listener or as a reader, to look at
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: something which for the average punter as close to indistinguishable,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if over time, you know, we'll go, oh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: remember when people used to actually design, you know, like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: where architects would sit at a drawing board with like
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: pens and pencils and rulers and shits, you know where
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that will be a thing that used to happen in
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the old days, and it won't exist anymore. I think
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that's that's part of what's coming.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I can understand a skill like drafting, doing the basic drawing,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: having the ability to then have a you know, a
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: layer program, a design program then negated the need to
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: have a drafter, so that the term drafting doesn't really
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: exist anymore.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Someone who's a typesetter.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: A typesetter was a person who physically laid the lead
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: letters the whole newspaper. Could you imagine having to put
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: every single letter in place for an entire newspaper for
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: it to be able to be printed. And of course
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: now typesetting doesn't exist because it's all done.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: By word processes. I get where you're coming from.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I just feel that's a little bit different to having
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: the human touch that it's interesting. The brains or the
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: creative genius behind studio gibli is heyo Mayazaki, and he
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't responding specifically to this story, but he's been known
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: to have said that he's condemned aiart, saying that it's
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: an insult to life itself.
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: So this is this.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Amazing creative genius, and I can that a piece of
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: his soul would be ripped out if you've spent your
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: entire career crafting this amazing visual, this style that's beautiful
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: to look at. I mean, and if you've not seen
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: a studio Ghibli movie, if you've not seen Spirited Away
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: or anything, do yourself a favor.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And look it up and watch it. Just go to
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: YouTube and watch a clip.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: But if you can sit down and watch the whole movie,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: it's just so amazingly beautifully crafted. And I get why
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: someone like that would feel so demoralized at people taking
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: his style, stealing his style which was so unique, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: just applying it and putting it on social media. I
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: get that it cheapens. It, it cheapens. What is something
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: that's donning?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the boy have you heard there? It is? There's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a movie on I think it's on on Netflix. You
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: would love it. Patrick, It's such a you thing. Maybe
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: maybe not, but for our no, it's like this. There's
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a guy called I think it's Charlie Mackazy who wrote
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: a book called The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the Horse. Oh. It's such a youth thing and listeners
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: like goes thirty four minutes. It's a cartoon, yep, and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: it's all hand drawn by him, and he's got this
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: cult following worldwide and he's just this very loving, compassionate,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: empathetic British I think he's British author. His name is
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Charlie macassey and yeah, it's it's like it's I started
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: watching it and then like the first five minutes I'm like, oh,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: come on, like it's got to be it's got to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: be more, you know. And then I went, no, I'm
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the problem. And then I just I just laid on
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: my bed and watched it. And I've now watched it
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: three times.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I fucking love it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: There's so much wisdom and it's so gentle and it's
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: so beautiful and it's like, yeah, it's it's great. It's
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: called The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: So and you can watch a trailer on YouTube if
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you want, but you would love it, Katie.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, I was looking at it now and
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just seeing that he's obviously used a brushwork. Even
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: for the text, he's used a brunt. It does look gorgeous.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: It really looks fantastic.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: We've got to wind up, unfortunately. Tell people how they
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: can connect with you, my friend.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: We can get to websites now, dot com, dot au.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: We do marketing stuff like that, websites as the name suggests,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I guess, doesn't it. Anyway, give us a call talk
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: tech and you know, if anybody has questions or a
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: particular topic that they want us to talk about Crago,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: we can do that too. So if you want to
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: message me at websites noow dot com today, more than
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: happy to answer any questions.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Or you could go on top of that, or in
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: instead of that, you could go to the you project
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Facebook page. You could do that either or do both
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and then we'll both get a message. And yeah, that's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a good idea, mate. So anything that you would like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Patrick Twix's law or talk about, or even if you've
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: got a very specific to yourself question, there's a fair
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: chance other people want to know the answer to that
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: particular question as well.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: So thank you Patrick, Thanks TIV, Thanks lads, thanks to
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: let so y'all,