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Ep. 84 She Vanished at 16... Then Her Name Kept Appearing | The Samantha Tapp Case · Weeknight Mysteries Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Weeknight Mysteries podcast. We
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  Speaker 1: are recording again. This is episode number 84. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Yuras and I am here with my co-host Rain.
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  Speaker 1: How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: As always, pretty good. How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, please comment anything, anything at all. We enjoy
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  Speaker 2: reading them. There was one comment in one of the
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  Speaker 2: previous cases on how we mispronounce balaclava. Is that the
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  Speaker 2: proper way to pronounce it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a thing back in the day. That
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  Speaker 1: was so funny.
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  Speaker 2: We realized it right after. Yeah, it's not a Turkish dessert.
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  Speaker 1: No, we did mess up on that one. But other
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  Speaker 1: than that, I think we hopefully will not be making
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  Speaker 1: too many mistakes today. We have a case suggestion actually
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  Speaker 1: from one of our listeners at ParkerCurry5194.
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  Speaker 2: Familiar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at ParkerCurry. ParkerCurry is a... It's a person, I think,
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  Speaker 1: who has been suggesting a lot of different cases. I
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  Speaker 1: have in our backlist quite a bit of cases suggested
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  Speaker 1: by Parker.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: We have to go through that list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somehow. And today's topic is the strange disappearance of
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  Speaker 1: a 16-year-old girl, Samantha Tapp, who went missing from Texas. Specifically...
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  Speaker 1: burleson texas which is a fairly small city it is
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  Speaker 1: i believe maybe part of the fort worth dallas metropolitan
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  Speaker 1: area at the time of samantha's disappearance which happened in
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  Speaker 1: 2004 the town only had apparently around 20 000 people
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  Speaker 1: living there or 27 000 people something like that the
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  Speaker 1: The case that we're going to be talking about today,
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  Speaker 1: the 16-year-old Samantha Tappas disappearance, is very interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: personally because it seems like this is a case where
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  Speaker 1: the missing person was, well, I would even say to
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  Speaker 1: me it looks like it's more likely that the missing
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  Speaker 1: person in this case was actually alive for some period
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  Speaker 1: of time after she was last seen however now it
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  Speaker 1: has been over 20 years since Samantha had not contacted
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  Speaker 1: anyone in her family so we have to start thinking
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  Speaker 1: what actually happened because initially it looked like there was
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  Speaker 1: some sort of a family dispute and a runaway situation
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  Speaker 1: and that situation by the looks of it turned into
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  Speaker 1: something different. Best case scenario, in my opinion, is that
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  Speaker 1: Samantha is alive and she doesn't want to be found
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  Speaker 1: by her family. I think this is the best case
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  Speaker 1: scenario that we should all hope for. Worst case scenario
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  Speaker 1: is that, unfortunately, something happened to Samantha fairly soon after
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  Speaker 1: she was last seen by her family. and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: hoping that it's nothing too crazy, but I think there
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  Speaker 1: is also, I guess, a possibility that some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a really bad foul play could have happened here as well.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to kind of go over the story
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  Speaker 1: here today for you guys. Before we get going, I
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  Speaker 1: always want to ask Rainn, What do you think about
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  Speaker 1: Samantha's case before I get my notes going and before
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  Speaker 1: we go over the story?
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  Speaker 2: I'm very hopeful about this case. It's one of the
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  Speaker 2: rare cases that we covered wherein I have hopes that
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  Speaker 2: Samantha is actually was alive at one point or is
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  Speaker 2: still alive. I don't know, but I would like to
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  Speaker 2: hold on to that hope that there's a possibility she
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  Speaker 2: was happy or she still is happy somewhere else. Because
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  Speaker 2: most of the cases that we covered, it's always just...
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  Speaker 2: It's always kind of like you have this... A hint
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  Speaker 2: that they're no longer with us. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: They could be missing, but it's always like... They could
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  Speaker 2: not be with us anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I would say most of our cases, we have that hint.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: I would say.
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  Speaker 2: With Samantha's case, I'm very hopeful. Like, hopefully, she lived...
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  Speaker 2: Or is she still living a good life somewhere where
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  Speaker 2: nobody knows her?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it to me looks like if Samantha is
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  Speaker 1: in fact alive, she most almost certainly would be living
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  Speaker 1: under a different name.
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  Speaker 2: How old would she be if she's still alive?
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  Speaker 1: If Samantha is alive, then this past July, she would
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  Speaker 1: have celebrated her 38th birthday. So she would be a
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  Speaker 1: woman living in America in her 30s, maybe not even
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  Speaker 1: America if she's alive, who knows. It would be more likely,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, that Samantha Tapp, if she is alive,
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  Speaker 1: she would be living within the United States because she
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  Speaker 1: had left her passport behind. So it does seem... that
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  Speaker 1: she did not leave the country. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she has any reason to leave the country because she
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  Speaker 1: has no outstanding criminal case against her, even though at
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  Speaker 1: the time of her disappearance, when she was a 16-year-old teenager,
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  Speaker 1: she was under probation. She was under probation because she
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  Speaker 1: had recently stolen her aunt's car and that's something that
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  Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna touch upon a little bit even though
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  Speaker 1: we don't really have a lot of information about that
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  Speaker 1: particular incident.
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  Speaker 2: I must say though the family situation is quite a
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  Speaker 2: bit odd.
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  Speaker 1: It's a strange situation and um when we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be bringing up samantha's family stuff um we haven't really
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  Speaker 1: been able to find anything specific about her family setup
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  Speaker 1: things are mentioned and extended family members are mentioned but
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  Speaker 1: the exact exact living situation is not fully described let's
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  Speaker 1: put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay well then let's start talking about.
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  Speaker 1: It let's go so on october 12 2004 this was
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  Speaker 1: tuesday A regular Tuesday in October, 16-year-old Samantha Tapp went
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  Speaker 1: missing from Burleson, Texas. Samantha's older sister, Kendale Wyatt, has
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  Speaker 1: been determined to find and locate her sister, Kendale, and
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  Speaker 1: she still thinks that there is a good chance her sister, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: might still be alive. Her family and friends say that
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  Speaker 1: the only reason why there is so little media coverage
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  Speaker 1: about this case in particular is because apparently, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure if it's like the latest information, but as earlier
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  Speaker 1: as like maybe four years ago, I've seen a podcast
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  Speaker 1: where Ken Dale, you know, Samantha's sister, still complained that
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  Speaker 1: her sister's case is classified as an endangered runaway. which
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  Speaker 1: is probably not.
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  Speaker 2: At this point?
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  Speaker 1: At this point. It has been 22 years. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it should be classified as an endangered runaway.
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  Speaker 1: And the same goes for Kendale. Kendale actually is urging
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  Speaker 1: the police department in Burleson to reclassify her sister's case
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  Speaker 1: into a missing persons case. If Samantha Tapp is now
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  Speaker 1: considered a missing person, her, I think, case would, according
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  Speaker 1: to Kendall, would receive more media attention because there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of endangered runaways and somehow endangered runaway is less
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  Speaker 1: of a endangered person than a missing person, which is odd.
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  Speaker 1: Kendall said that there is a chance that Sam is
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  Speaker 1: still alive. And I've listened to a podcast where she
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  Speaker 1: was talking about her sister. And Kendall said that there
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  Speaker 1: are two ways that her sister could still be alive.
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  Speaker 1: The first way would be that Samantha actually doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: that she's missing. But that would be so weird.
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  Speaker 2: She's already in her late 30s at this point. And
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  Speaker 2: then she has been missing for so many years and
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  Speaker 2: not one message to her sister, which I read she
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  Speaker 2: had a very close relationship with.
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  Speaker 1: I have the same opinion. I feel like if, and then, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: going back to my point, the second way how Samantha
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  Speaker 1: would be missing is if she purposely does not want
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  Speaker 1: to reconnect with her family. And I feel like, just
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  Speaker 1: like I'm agreeing with what you're saying, I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's more likely that if Samantha is alive, She knows
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  Speaker 1: she's missing. She knows her sister is searching for her.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't take that much to realize you're a missing person.
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  Speaker 1: You could just Google yourself and there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: Reddit threads. There's going to be a Facebook community page.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to know. You're going to know.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to know you're a missing person, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is, I have a feeling that if
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  Speaker 2: she actually is living right now or has lived, it's
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  Speaker 2: a higher likely chance she didn't want to be found.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than she didn't know she was missing, no? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If she's still alive, it would be a setup where
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  Speaker 1: she has maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Such a bad relationship with her family or such maybe
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  Speaker 2: deep hatred. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I could see maybe more of a situation where it
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  Speaker 1: started off bad, but then she kind of got comfortable
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  Speaker 1: living a different life.
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  Speaker 2: True.
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  Speaker 1: And it has gotten to the point where it's like
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  Speaker 1: a mental... mental thing where you just you just block
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  Speaker 1: out your your previous life you you already have been
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  Speaker 1: missing for so long maybe you already crafted a new identity.
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  Speaker 2: For yourself you already have a new life and you.
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  Speaker 1: Just meant she would have to be somehow mentally blocking
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  Speaker 1: everything out so that is the only way i would
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  Speaker 1: see that she is still alive is she still alive
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  Speaker 1: that's another question so let's uh kind of glance over
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  Speaker 1: the background Samantha and her older sister, Kendall, they came
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  Speaker 1: from a tumultuous upbringing. When they were young, they lived
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  Speaker 1: with their adoptive mother. I don't know who this adoptive
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  Speaker 1: mother is, and I don't know what their biological parents are.
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  Speaker 1: This is not mentioned anywhere online, so that's all we know.
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  Speaker 1: The two girls eventually ended up in foster care because
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  Speaker 1: the adoptive mother was abusive. That's what I found. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really sure how they even ended up with an
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  Speaker 1: adoptive mother, but that adoptive mother was abusive, which led
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  Speaker 1: to the two girls becoming foster children. Kendale is 18
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  Speaker 1: months older than Samantha, so they're very close age-wise. And
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  Speaker 1: being that close in age, I could see how they
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  Speaker 1: had a very close relationship as siblings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's basically two of them against the world
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  Speaker 2: at that point.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, yeah. At first... They were placed in foster care together,
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  Speaker 1: but when their foster mother could no longer look after them,
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  Speaker 1: Samantha and Kendall were separated. That's the information I have.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a news media about this case where I
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  Speaker 1: believe Kendall is interviewed, and Kendall... Kendale's exact quote was
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  Speaker 1: about some sort of adoptive mother, I believe. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: really sure who is she referring to. Once again, none
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  Speaker 1: of this is actually properly explained anywhere online, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it really matters that much. But Kendale's exact
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  Speaker 1: quote is, there obviously was abuse. She definitely believed in
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  Speaker 1: corporal punishment. It did tend to spiral out of control,
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  Speaker 1: where she used to just use the paddle, She then
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  Speaker 1: would just lash out and smack us with whatever she had.
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  Speaker 1: Phone cord, hanger, shoe. So it seems like there was
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  Speaker 1: some sort of abuse happening.
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  Speaker 2: I hate people like those. Just a personal opinion. Why
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  Speaker 2: have a kid or foster kids in the first place
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  Speaker 2: when you're going to do such horrible things?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's kind of counterintuitive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just be alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, you put yourself most likely in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha went to live with her aunt, while Kendale was
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  Speaker 1: sent to live with her grandparents in Brosnan. The split
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  Speaker 1: between the two children, two sisters, took a very hard
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  Speaker 1: toll on Samantha. Kendale said that at that point, Samantha
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  Speaker 1: was hanging out with boys all the time, I know
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  Speaker 1: that she stole the car. So she was kind of
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  Speaker 1: going through a lot. And I believe this happened as
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  Speaker 1: Samantha was living with her aunt in some other location
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  Speaker 1: in Texas. On the Missing podcast, there's a podcast called
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  Speaker 1: just the word missing. And they interviewed Kendale. And they
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  Speaker 1: actually interviewed Samantha's childhood best friend, Vanessa. I've read to that. podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we can bring up some stuff, some interesting
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  Speaker 1: stuff from it in a little bit. But on this
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  Speaker 1: particular podcast, Kendall said that Samantha stole her aunt's car
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  Speaker 1: and she had to go on probation and was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to go to some sort of special school for that.
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  Speaker 1: So she was supposed to go to some sort of
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  Speaker 1: special school after she stole the car. She So that
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  Speaker 1: would be just, you know, weeks before her disappearance. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: Samantha also moved to Burleson to live with Kendall and
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  Speaker 1: her grandparents, remember? Because at first they were split up.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, both Samantha and Kendall were staying together
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  Speaker 1: with their grandparents in Burleson, Texas, in the suburb of
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  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, I would say. Um, It's a different, it's
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  Speaker 1: a city, on its own right, it's part of the
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  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Dallas metropolitan area. On the missing podcast, Kendell
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  Speaker 1: said that Samantha moved in back with Kendell and grandparents
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  Speaker 1: because she was getting into trouble when she was living
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  Speaker 1: with her aunt. Apparently, there was a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Kendell also mentioned on the podcast that she doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: remember why exactly they were moving so much back when
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  Speaker 1: they were kids because it does seem like they were
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  Speaker 1: moving all the time and they're just, what, like 16
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  Speaker 1: and 18? According to some sources, Samantha was working hard
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  Speaker 1: to keep getting good grades in Burleson High School. So
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  Speaker 1: she apparently was getting good grades, but she was also
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  Speaker 1: kind of seems like was living a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: this troublemaker lifestyle. Still, she had struggles because of her
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  Speaker 1: mental health. So this is another big thing in this
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  Speaker 1: case is that apparently Samantha was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha went to Burleson High School for one year before
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance, so she had recently moved to that school. Kendall,
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  Speaker 1: on the Missing Podcast, said that Sam was outside all
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  Speaker 1: the time, and Vanessa, who is Sam's best friend from childhood,
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  Speaker 1: said that they were walking everywhere. They were walking all
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  Speaker 1: around Burleson growing up because none of them had a car,
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  Speaker 1: so they would walk for miles. Kendall said that Samantha
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  Speaker 1: was hanging around all A lot of boys at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And she also mentioned that Samantha was actually not taking
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  Speaker 1: her medication for bipolar disorder anymore. However, according to Kindale,
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  Speaker 1: when Samantha came to live with her and their grandparents
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  Speaker 1: in Burleson, she was already doing a bit better. Her
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  Speaker 1: exact quote is that I wasn't having to get her
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  Speaker 1: dressed in the morning and drag her to school. She
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  Speaker 1: seemed like she was thriving for a while. This is
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  Speaker 1: the quote from Kindale when she is describing Samantha. So, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: this is very important because she had been diagnosed with
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  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder and she did not take her medications by
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  Speaker 1: the time she moved into Burleson to live with the grandparents.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly for how long she has been
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  Speaker 1: living in Burleson for, But the fact that she was
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  Speaker 1: in Burleson High School already for one year leading up
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  Speaker 1: to her disappearance, I mean, I would think that maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's how long she was living with the grandparents potentially.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of had to Google a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. And bipolar disorder is actually a very grim diagnosis. More,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, grim than I initially thought because... It's
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  Speaker 1: a very crazy statistic that you could find immediately on Wikipedia.
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  Speaker 1: It's something crazy. According to Wikipedia, people with bipolar disorder
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  Speaker 1: are 11.7 times greater risk of dying by self-harm than
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  Speaker 1: general population. You're almost 12 times more likely to die
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  Speaker 1: from self-harm if you have bipolar disorder. That's insane. Approximately
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  Speaker 1: 34% of people with bipolar disorder, 34%, okay, attempt self,
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  Speaker 1: during their lifetime at least once. So one out of
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  Speaker 1: three people with bipolar disorder in their lifetime will attempt self-harm.
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  Speaker 1: And amongst adolescents with bipolar disorder, which I believe fits
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  Speaker 1: Samantha's description, 78% of them engage in self-harm. 78, almost
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  Speaker 1: every one.
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  Speaker 2: That's a high number.
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  Speaker 1: Almost every, according to Wikipedia, almost every adolescent engages in
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  Speaker 1: self-harm if you have bipolar disorder. That is insane.
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  Speaker 2: I'm such a dummy when it comes to this that
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if eventually people who are diagnosed with this
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  Speaker 2: eventually get better. Like, you know, as the years pass,
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  Speaker 2: because it's such a high number.
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  Speaker 1: It is a terribly high number. To be honest, before
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  Speaker 1: I looked into it, I always thought that bipolar disorder
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  Speaker 1: was serious, but I never thought it was this extreme.
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  Speaker 1: The numbers are absolutely extreme.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm just wondering, like, is there a possibility that
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  Speaker 2: maybe Samantha... Got better. Like, is there a cure or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is it a forever thing? I'm a complete
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  Speaker 2: dummy when it comes to this. I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also a dummy. Hopefully some of our listeners can
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  Speaker 1: leave a comment somewhere on Spotify or something and tell
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  Speaker 1: us what you think. So now let's kind of talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I have some information about Samantha herself.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha Leanne Tapp. Her middle name seems to be Leanne,
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  Speaker 1: even though she's referred to as Samantha Tapp most of
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  Speaker 1: the time. When she went missing, she was a white teenager,
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  Speaker 1: Caucasian teenager with brown hair, brown eyes. She was 5'4.
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  Speaker 1: She weighed around 120 pounds. Her birthday was July 25th.
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  Speaker 1: She was 16. Her birthday was on July 25th in
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  Speaker 1: the summer. If she's still alive, she would be 38
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  Speaker 1: right now. We have some pictures of Samantha here. A
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  Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's crazy for me? I feel like similar people,
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  Speaker 2: but different people. Like all of the pictures that we
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  Speaker 2: have here. Some of them I could see that they
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  Speaker 2: look like Samantha. Some of them could be Samantha. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the very first picture that we have can
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  Speaker 1: show me which pictures are looking at. If you would
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  Speaker 1: scroll down, I have another compilation of her pictures. Can
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  Speaker 1: you show me?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, now it looks more like the same person.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let me look at what you were looking at.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I was looking at the pictures on the first page.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I think you should take a screenshot and include this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: on the YouTube channel.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely will. Don't worry about it. So I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: see what you mean. I think they described Samantha as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: someone who was always making funny faces. So I think
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: this could be the reason why she looks a bit
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: different in every picture. But you do have a very
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: good point. She does look different in most of her images,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Absolutely. Some more information about
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Samantha is that she loved car racing. There was some
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: sort of a racing track in Broson that she attended often.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: She loved being around people. She loved being outside and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: she was known to walk everywhere. She had been described
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: by her friends as being a funny young girl who'd
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: love to laugh. Samantha had always been making crazy faces,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: trying to make others around her laugh. Samantha may have
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: been wearing either contacts or glasses at the time of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: her disappearance. Her ears are pierced. She may have been
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: using her former foster mother's last name. Or the last
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: name of one of her relatives, Brown. So she may
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: be going by Samantha Vandiver or Samantha Brown.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, Samantha Brown sounds like a very common name. Absolutely. Right?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: That feels like a very common name. I agree with that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: She had attended Broson High School. And yeah, we already
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: talked about how she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that she had gone off her medications by the time
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: she disappeared. Why exactly? She had gone off her medications.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Was it allowed for her to go
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: off her medications?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's, I don't know, due to circumstances. Maybe...
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Is medication free in America? Probably not.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there's like... I don't know. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: was always under the assumption that it wasn't a financial
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: decision to go off of them for Samantha.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Because she was living in so many different places with
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: so many different, well, few different people, relatives. And I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: wonder if, you know, circumstances and situations change when she
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: was living with her grandparents, they really couldn't afford to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: buy meds for her.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I just hope that that wasn't the case. I would
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: hope that in America, in such circumstance, you would be
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: able to afford medication, especially for something as serious as
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. So I'm hoping that it wasn't a financial
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: decision to go off of them. I mean, best case scenario,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: she was allowed to go off them. It was never
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: really explained why she wasn't taking her medication, to be honest.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: She also loved singing and she apparently wanted to be
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a veterinarian when she grew up. How nice. Yeah, those
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: were the details that we know about her. So after
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: some point... when you know the two girls started living
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: together again at their grandparents home in broson at some
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: point kendale actually moved out and she went to live
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: with her boyfriend who was living across town so this
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is a.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Wasn't she 18 at that point yes something.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Young right yeah she was 18 i believe and uh
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: so she left to live with her boyfriend across town
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: so I've seen two different sources or like I've seen
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: multiple sources mentioned two different things. So some sources mentioned
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that Kendall's boyfriend's house was at, well, I think it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was Kendall's boyfriend's parents' house because she moved in with
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend and, you know, the boyfriend's parents. I don't
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: know exactly why she moved in like that. Does this
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: mean that there was some friction between the grandparents? I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: don't really know.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming so. Because she moved out at such a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: young age, it feels like she hits 18 and immediately
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: move out. And also the fact that, a bit of
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: a spoiler ahead, Samantha went up to her. Oh, yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it more, but it seems
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like there's something going on there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was never really explained why Kendall moved
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: out of the grandparents' home so early on. I just
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: assumed that, yeah, probably something's not right there. For the girls,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: or at least for Kendall at that point. So Kendall
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: moves out to live with the boyfriend and the boyfriend's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: mother and father, I believe. And then it was mentioned
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that they were living across town by some sources, but
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: some other sources claimed that it was only several, like
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: five blocks away. So I don't really know if it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that close or if it's across town. On October 12th,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: which was Tuesday, Samantha, as she's now alone with the grandparents,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: because Kendale had already moved out. I don't know for
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: how long, but she had already moved out. Samantha left
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: her grandparents' home at 7.30 p.m., and she went to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: visit her sister Kendale at her boyfriend's home. Samantha was upset,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but she could not remember the exact reason why Samantha
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was upset exactly, but Samantha told Kandel that she wanted
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to move in with them so that she could stay
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: with them. But Kandel told her that she had to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: go back to her grandparents' home for now. This is
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the exact quote from Kandel. She wanted to stay there.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: She said that she had gotten into an argument with
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: my grandfather and she didn't want to stay there anymore.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I told her that she was going to have to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: go back, at least for now, until I could figure
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: out a way for her to legally stay with me But.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Wait, Samantha at that point was, what, 17-ish?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: She was 16.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: She was 16, but about to turn 17.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think not any time.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: The gap was 18 months, right? Yes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So she was very close to becoming a legal adult.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was at least a year and a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: half for Samantha.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but still, it was nearly there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say that. I think so.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Better than three years or five years.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she was almost an adult. Yep. Samantha
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: was apparently still upset and she left Kandale's boyfriend's home
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: at 8 p.m. Kandale assumed that Samantha would walk around
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood to cool off and that she would go
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: home once she had calmed down. Apparently, Kandel mentioned that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: this was something that Samantha would do sometimes when she
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: would be upset. She would just find a place in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood where she could just cool down and then
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: come back home after a couple of hours. However, this
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: time it wasn't the case because Kandel never Sorry, Samantha
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: never returned back to the grandparents' home and Kendall had
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: never seen her again after that night. Kendall said that,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: this is her quote, I figured she would come back,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but she didn't. I wish that I could have ran
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: after her right away and just for her to stay
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: because she didn't feel like she had to run away
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: from me. On the Missing podcast, childhood friend Vanessa said
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that she saw Samantha last time a week, around a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: week before she went missing, They had apparently hung out
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: with a guy. This was some sort of a guy
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that Samantha was spending a lot of time with recently.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And what Vanessa remembers is that this guy dropped her
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: off at home. So apparently, I assume that this mystery
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: guy was driving. Kendall said that the argument that Samantha
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: had with the grandfather was probably something silly. This is
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the exact quote. from the podcast where she was interviewed,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and Kendall also said that it is possible that Samantha
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was so mad at her, that Samantha was so mad
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: at Kendall for not taking care of her, for sending
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: her back to her grandfather's place. This could be one
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why, you know, initially she didn't really
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: want to come back, and this was something that caused
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: her to run away. So this.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Part of the story kind of concludes the point where
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Samantha Tapp disappears. She, you know, tries, she has an
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: argument with her grandfather. Then she goes to Kendall's boyfriend's home.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: She's hoping that Kendall can take her in, but Kendall
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: turns her down. So Samantha leaves her. Leaves in an angry,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: upset mood at 8 p.m. And she is never seen
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: or heard from again, allegedly. Allegedly.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I believe in Kendale here that it might
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: be something minuscule or something. The argument with Samantha, between
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Samantha and her grandfather might be something minuscule. Mainly because
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: if it's something so grave, she would remember it. For example,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the grandfather struck Samantha, she would remember it. But in
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: this podcast, it didn't seem like she remembered anything or
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like the details of it. So I'm assuming it's something
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: not as grave.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. I also don't think it's something grave.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: As you say.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like for example, your little sister on a random
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: night knocks on your door and was like, Grandpa smacked me.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: You would remember it even years and years, like 10
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: years after. You would remember it. But if something as
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: maybe little or not as bad as that, maybe Samantha
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: went up to her and was like, I really hate
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Grandpa right now. He didn't allow me to do this
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: or do that. There's a possibility that you would forget
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: it as the time goes on. Don't you think so?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think if it was something serious,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it would have been mentioned. So a few days had
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: passed and Samantha had still not came back home. At
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: this point, Kendall started to get worried and she had
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: reported her sister missing to the Burleson Police Department.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Sorry, really quickly. Why is Kendall doing all the work?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: What about the grandparents?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I was going to say the same thing.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: No. I was literally just going to.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Why is this 18-year-old just turned adult doing all this
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: adult stuff?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Apparently, it was mentioned that Ken
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Dale was the one who reported Samantha missing. I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: know exactly why the grandparents of that reporter were missing.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Police said that there was no evidence of foul play,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so there was nothing they could do. This is what
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: they said, which is.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I'm a bit agitated in this police investigation initial. Maybe
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: we don't know much about it. But it feels like
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: they did not investigate enough what happened in that grandma
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and grandpa's place.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say that they didn't investigate that. We
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: don't know that. I would say it wasn't released to
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the public. Maybe they established that there was no danger
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to Samantha in the grandparents' place. So maybe this was established.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: One reason that could explain why police kind of drugged
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: off Samantha's cases because apparently.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the first time she ran away.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Samantha, according to some sources, had ran away before. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: authorities had immediately labeled her as an endangered runaway, believing
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that she voluntarily gone missing as she had done in
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the past.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: That complicated things quite a bit, huh?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. In the past, Samantha would not run away for
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: any longer than a few hours and a maximum would
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: be until the next morning. So the police maybe labeled
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: her prematurely as an endangered runaway initially because at this
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: point she had already been missing for several days. Earlier
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in that same month, in October, leading up to her disappearance,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Samantha had recently taken her aunt's car without permission. This
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: landed her on probation, and because of Samantha's habitual pattern
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of running away from home, they refused to investigate her disappearance. Okay,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: so she was someone on probation. She allegedly was running
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: away on a somewhat regular basis. They decided not to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe this also explains why the grandparents weren't super urgent
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: about reporting her missing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's more like, oh, she ran away again. She's
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: going to go back. She's going to come back.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Police did not search for Samantha or question
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: locals or friends and family. So from this, I'm understanding
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that police didn't really do anything. Samantha and Kendall have...
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Samantha and Kendell had been close in age. Reportedly, the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: two sisters had always been there for each other through everything,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: which was why it was such a devastating blow when
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Samantha went missing to Kendell. Kendell was actually organizing the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: majority of the investigation for her missing sister. There had
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: been very little media attention to the case. In fact,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it was very little. News Nation had done everything a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: bit on Samantha's case last year. And I think this
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was the very first time that Samantha's case was mentioned
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on television. Before that, for 20 years, no one really
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: even made a news announcement about her. So it was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting to me because it does seem like
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: this case deserves a lot more attention in my opinion.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Kandel insisted that her sister's case should be considered as
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a missing person instead of a runaway, and she had
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: continually petitioned to have Samantha's case reclassified as a missing person.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: She hopes that if her case is reclassified, then it
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: would bring more public awareness and attention to the case.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So I guess we're really disappointed. Just trying to spread
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the word out here about Samantha Tapp's disappearance as much
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: as we can. Maybe some of our listeners never heard
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: about this case. But this case is very interesting, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: we're about to get into some details.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry, really quickly now. This is a massive case in Texas.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Is it a known case? I mean, it must be.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It reached us.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I would say absolutely not. Really? I would say absolutely not.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: At least not when it happened. To me, it seems
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that Samantha Tapp's case is kind of picking up a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: bit of attention nowadays. And I'm hoping that it will
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: pick up more. Because this is the type of case
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: where I really feel bad. I mean, I feel bad
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: for all of the people that go missing. But something
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: about Samantha's case makes me vividly imagine the setup. How,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, these two girls are like not really having
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: any stable relationship.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they already had bad cards.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have any stable upbringing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Samantha had a bipolar disorder on top of all things.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it was quite terrible. But this is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: where we kind of jump into the things that make
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: this case even more suspicious and strange. So this is
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: where things kind of get interesting. I believe within the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: first week of Samantha disappearing. In that middle of October 2004.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Burleson Texas. Someone. By the looks of it. And by
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the sound of it. Went. Into the grandparents backyard. Moved.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Outdoor furniture ran. Left cigarette butts. And this was one occasion.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And there was a second occasion where this is how
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'm reading the situation. Someone broke into the house and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: took Samantha's clothes. So this is a huge, huge clue.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you more about this in detail.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: In the first week after Samantha went missing, Kendall and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: her grandparents noticed something very strange. Someone had been in
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the backyard. Some of the outdoor furniture had been moved
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: around and they found cigarette butts. They assumed that Samantha
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and her friends had hung out in the backyard when
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: her grandparents were away. At one point, some of Samantha's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: clothing had gone missing as well from the grandparents' home.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: This was a separate occasion. So in total, we have
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: two different incidents where someone either sneaks into the backyard
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: or sneaks into the house of the grandparents' home and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they take clothing or clearly show signs of a hangout
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in the backyard. So this was reported to the police.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And instead of investigating, police advised the family, the grandparents,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: to just change the locks. So the grandparents actually did
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: change the locks. This was mentioned by Kendall on the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Missing Podcast. Kendall doesn't really know the logic behind the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: changing of the locks. But at that point, I believe
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that she thought the logic is that maybe... Samantha is
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: still somewhere in Broson. You know what I mean? Sometimes
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: coming back to the grandparents' place.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just surprised at how it seems like the grandparents
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: are not worried.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? From the information that we have, it would
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: seem that the grandparents.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Are like, Oh, my granddaughter is missing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Let me change the locks. Yeah, they're not really on it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So the grandparents did change the lock. That's a good point, right?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And the logic behind it was that maybe if Samantha
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: can't get in anymore with her own key, she would
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: have to knock on the door instead of, you know.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I'm so sorry. Maybe I could
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: see it, but I think I would approach it differently,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: but oh well.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of this to me just indicates, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong here, but to me, all of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: this indicates that There is some sort of a bad
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: vibe between Samantha and her grandparents in Burleson.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like the vibe is not very good there.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So the changes in the backyard of the grandparents' home,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like the moved furniture happened. Sorry, really quickly now. Of course,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Now I am so curious. I really want to know
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: what made... kendale move out as soon as she hits.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: 18 right it feels like she didn't waste any time.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's like i'm 18 bye bye it's like why
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: now i just want to i just i'm just curious
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: about what the vibe was with the grandparents.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: That's a good question you know why because let's also
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: remember what kendale told samantha the last time she spoke
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: with her she said you have to go back for
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: now until I figure out how I can legally have
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you stay with me. You know, she mentioned words, go
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: back for now, legally stay with me. All of these
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: things sound to me that even Kendall understands that Samantha
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be living with the grandparents long-term.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But she's also well aware of, It's actually pretty
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: impressive for still a teenager to know that, oh, you
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: can't just live with me right now. We have to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: go through a legal process.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That or it could really make things inconvenient. You know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Samantha already moved in with a family of her boyfriend.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that already sounds like, yeah, it's not a
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: regular thing. So it's not a very regular decision.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: So.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Bringing someone along would be even tougher.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we do have two sisters. And Samantha is
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: only 16. She needs a legal guardian for at least
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. She needs to have a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: legal guardian. So it is a... It was a sticky situation.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: This is what was very interesting for me. So on
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the Missing podcast, Kendall was reflecting a little bit about
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: this incident with the backyard furnitures being moved. And she
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: said that herself and the grandparents are almost 100%, if
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the grandparents are still alive, back in the day, they
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: were almost 100% certain that it was in fact samantha
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: who came back.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah i could see it happening what do you think i.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Think so and this is one reason why they think
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: so is because apparently there was some sort of an
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: agenda i don't know what that is is it a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: sticky note is it like a notebook is it a
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: diary i don't know what it is but apparently on
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: on some sort of an agenda that that Samantha had
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for that particular day even before she went missing she
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: had written down that grandparents will be away and that
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: she's gonna bring over some people I believe it was
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: two people that were gonna come over and one of
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: them was Brandon we don't know who is Brandon we
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: have no idea who this Brandon is but a Brandon
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: was supposed to show up as well Vanessa was also
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: on the Missing podcast. Who's Vanessa? Vanessa is the best friend,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: childhood best friend. Oh, okay, okay. So Vanessa said that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: she also doesn't know who Brandon was. And she also
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: mentioned that at the time of Samantha's disappearance, they had
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: already been married. not being super, super close. They were
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: still best friends.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So they kind of grew apart a little bit.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Slightly, but only for a week.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: To the point where there was a week leading up
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: to Samantha's disappearance where they weren't really.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Is there any reason why or is it just because
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: things got busy or something?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Probably that. I assume nothing too drastic. So we do
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: know that... And I agree. And apparently, Samantha smoked cigarettes. Yes.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And there were cigarette butts left.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: So it really feels like.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: That was a good sign.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So it really feels like the crucial point in this
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: case is that it does seem to me that Samantha
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: is in fact... I mean, it looks to me like
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: with at least a lie for a week. But where...
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: And this is a big question. And someone in Burleson knows.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like someone in Burleson... knows something, because, because
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Samantha was, was most likely alive for a week, at
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: least until she came back, you know, she came back
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: apparently on two different occasions, on the second occasion, she
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: took some clothing from her room, apparently, so, so, so
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: she must have been staying with someone, so someone should know,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: someone should come forward, like, Oh, in 2004, yeah. Samantha
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: was staying at my place. And these people that would
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: know this information.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Never really came forward.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But they know that Samantha is a missing person.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe they even know where she went initially.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But he didn't talk.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Also that Brandon guy.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we even have a name. There's a Brandon in Burleson.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's a Brandon who was living in Burleson.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: In 2004, who knows?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: It just never came forward.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Never came forward. So why? Why would this Brandon not
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: come forward? I mean, that is weird.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe, and I'm hoping that this was the case. This
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: is the case. Maybe at that time, he or whoever
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: they are, the people who knew, knows what the situation
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: for Samantha was like at home and maybe they also
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: know where she went where she ran.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Away but then why not come out now.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe Samantha maybe they know that Samantha had a plan
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: But why they didn't come out right now when they're
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: fully adults, that's a very good question. And she hasn't
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: been found in so many years.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like the people that hung out most
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: likely with Samantha in that backyard are suspects in her disappearance.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I could see that happening, but I could also see
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: them helping her run away.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like a Brandon in Burleson is a person
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: of interest, in my opinion. And it should be, I
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: feel like, to the investigators. I mean, this is just
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a very obvious conclusion that I'm making here. Maybe it's wrong,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: maybe someone listening to this podcastings otherwise but i'm just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: making this conclusion right now in my head that that
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a brandon is a.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Suspect i don't necessarily think so i do think that
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the police should have investigated this a bit more because
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: come on it's around the community around the neighborhood they
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: should have put an effort knowing these people right how.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: How hard did this to find you know when you
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: already know a name.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: A teenage boy named brandon Or is it even a
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: teenage boy?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but still, a young Brandon.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Who was hanging out around the area.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I also think that maybe this is a situation where
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: they literally just didn't investigate.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling so, because, I don't know, it
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: seems like the details are missing. Maybe it's not public information,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, it seems like they did not,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: just because Samantha was considered a runaway, they didn't investigate fully.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah and i don't i guess her bad you know
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: history being on probation i guess and.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Running away multiple times it feels like the investigation that
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: they did if they did um it feels a bit
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: lax like calm chill whatever she will come back.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Right yeah maybe that was the energy and that's why
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: time was lost so Kendall hired eventually a private investigator,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Lou Barry. Lou Barry is this legendary investigator, sadly passed
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: away last year, but he was working with an organization
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and I feel like they were investigating pro bono. He
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was apparently a really good guy, a really good investigator.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Kendall is such a good sister though.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Damn, she had Samantha's back.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as well as she also employed, I believe, Jason
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Batts to work on the case. and tried to investigate
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Samantha's disappearance, they all came to the conclusion that they
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: believed that Samantha could still be alive. Samantha might not
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: even be aware that Kendale is looking for her, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: there is a possibility that Samantha doesn't even want to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: be found. Investigator Lou Barry said that it's likely that
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Samantha at first did not return home since she thought
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: she would be in trouble as she was on probation,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: which makes a lot of sense why she, you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: stayed runaway for a bit. And that made a lot
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: of sense, you know, the fact that maybe she really
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: didn't go back immediately because of that probation. Lou Barry
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: speculates maybe it is possible that she got comfortable in
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the new life and did not want to come back
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to being Samantha Tapp potentially. He also said there are
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of possibilities, but he doesn't want to jump
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to conclusions. He believes that Samantha was alive and well
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: for a while. Same conclusion I'm making as well. Burleson
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Police Department was able to share information with Lou Barry,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: but he cannot say how much the police department is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: actually actively working on Samantha's case anymore. He said that
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: there's new cases that come up to the department every day, essentially,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to find resources to, you know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: investigate a 20-year-old case. Lou Barry said that Attorney General did.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: They do a good investigation. The attorney general shared information
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: with Lou Barry, shared the report, and he had gone
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: over all of the details and he recontacted the people
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that he was able to contact. He said that this
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: case is different from the other cases, mainly because there
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: seems to be a higher likelihood of the victim, Samantha,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: being alive. And there were alleged contact with Samantha over
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: the years, alleged different types of tips. There was one
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in 2005, the following year, 2011, and 2014. There is
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: a pattern in these contacts. If these contacts are accurate,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: then there is a chance that Samantha is still alive
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and well. Lou Barry says it is very possible that
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Samantha could still be alive. that she potentially started a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: new life and wants to put her life behind. Like
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: she wants to put her life as Samantha Tapp behind
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: her forever. However, he urged Samantha to contact her sister
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: so that the mystery could be closed.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: The main problem I have with this one is just
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that they really had a close relationship, Samantha and Kendall.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: And just, I don't know, she's not that old. She
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: could At this point, if she's still alive, she's only
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: nearing her 40s. And come on, she must be active
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: online as well here and there. Unless she lives in
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. But still, maybe there were situations
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: wherein she would be curious on how Kendale would be
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: living these days. So my only concern about this is
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that she never really reached out to Kendale again. Which
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: is very odd.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I also find that reasoning, I mean, I wonder if
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: there's a chance that due to her mental state that
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: somehow now makes sense for her to not contact.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: It's just a bit, isn't it a bit heavy to,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: let's say, for example, you haven't seen your sister in years.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: You Google your name or you Google your sister's name.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And you found out that she's going through so much lengths,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: hiring private investigators, talking to a podcast, like talking to
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the police, doing all these things to find you. And
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you're like, nah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe I'm thinking, is there a way
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: how Samantha's mental health.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Declined even more so?
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Declined to the point where she doesn't know she's missing.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Or it could be more like, also like, I'm not
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: ready yet. I would like to be in a better
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: situation or better, you know.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Potentially. I mean, she's still young if she's alive.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: She's only 38 you know she's she went missing when
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: she was a teenager she she has been missing for
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: longer than she has been alive before she was.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Missing oh and you know some of those um there
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: are some i don't know where i read it but
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: there were there was a homeless person i don't know
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: which date but turns out he was a missing person
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: all along oh really yeah i read somewhere i think
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: i read it like a couple of years ago so
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: i don't really remember anything about it but i just
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: know that there was like a homeless person somewhere and
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: it became like the community you know like it's a
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: small it's a small town it's like oh they you
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: know it's the community homeless person turns out um when
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they cleaned him up or something he was a missing
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: person in another state but he had mental health.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Issues Do you think there's a chance Samantha could be
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: living as a homeless person somewhere in America?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I think there's a chance. What do you think?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good point that you brought up,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, potentially.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: There's a possibility. Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back from a small break that no
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: one knew about.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: The cinnamon roll was amazing.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cinnamon roll break and no ads yet. So let's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: kind of jump into the things that happened afterward in
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Samantha's disappearance. These are two different times where it seems
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: that Samantha's name had been ran by government agencies. I
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: don't really exactly know what that means, but this is
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: the information that we have. So following her disappearance, actually,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: by the looks of it, seven years later, It was
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: discovered that in 2011, the Columbia County St. Helens Police Department,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: which is located in Oregon, had ran Samantha Tapp's name.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: We don't really know exactly what that means, but two
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: years later, in 2013, her name had been ran again
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: by the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport Customs Department. In both of
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: these incidents, there are no records on file as to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: why her name had been ran through the system. We
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: just know that someone, like searched her name. So once
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: it was searched, her name was searched by the police
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: department in Oregon.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Actually, I did a quick AI search regarding what this
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: ran in the system means. Apparently, it means in this context,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: it could mean looked up her name in a database,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: ran a background or security check, checked her information against
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: police or government records, or if it's an airport, it
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: could mean that her name was checked by an airport
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: or airline security systems.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So, I feel like the Oregon, I believe her aunt...
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: or not aunt, or some sort of a relative lived
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: close to Oregon or something like that, which made sense.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: But I think that Dallas-Forthworth Airport Customs Department is a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: lot more interesting, in my opinion, because this is literally
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the same location where she went missing from, from the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Dallas-Forthworth metropolitan area. Braulson is part of it. And her
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: name was searched by the airport. So that means that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Is there a chance that Samantha Tapp was flying out
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: of that airport, potentially?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: To another state, maybe, but not outside of America, no?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And this is already nine years after her disappearance. So
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: if this one is true, then that would mean that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Samantha Tapp was actually alive.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: For nine years. Or it could be someone was just
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: using her name.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. It could be someone that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: maybe had stolen her identity as well. Kandel stated that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Samantha hadn't had her... A passport when she disappeared. Oh,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: she never had the passport. So it was unknown as
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: to why her sister's name would be looked into by customs.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: But then again, in America, if you fly domestically, you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: don't need a passport, right? Same as in the EU.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: That's probably a good point. I don't really know.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: So I could only assume that maybe she was flying
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: to another state, not outside. Of America.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You still need to prove some sort of.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Identification.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I assume, right?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe they have some sort of national ID or something.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: So they have the social security number in America. But apparently,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Samantha's social security number has not been used since 2004. Oh.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: And Samantha apparently had an aunt in Columbia County, Oregon. Actually,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. It looks like Samantha also had an
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: aunt in Columbia County, Oregon... So both of these kind
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: of are very interesting. 2011, I mean, a PD in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: the police department in Oregon ran her name, but she
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: has family there. And then two years later, Fort Worth,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Dallas Airport, customs department ran her name. That's also very
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: close to where she went missing from.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: So she was around the area at that time then,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm not really sure anymore if these are connected
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: to Samantha. At this point, it would be a very
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: long time that she has been alive for. 2011 is
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: seven years later. You'd really think that it's about her?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Could be. What do you think?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I think the likelihood drops in my opinion. compared to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: the grandparents' backyard.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: That is true, that is true. It's just interesting, the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: area is, you know, it's just.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Vaguely connected to Samantha.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: And this is very strange. So we don't really know
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: if she was in the airport or if she was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: in Oregon. And the private investigator confirmed that they don't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: know if.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Any of those clues actually proved that Samantha was actually alive.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: And then there was this development in 2015. Apparently, Burleson
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Police Department contacted the Texas Attorney General to investigate Samantha
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Tapp's disappearance for some reason. Now, they started doing something
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: 11 years later. Samantha was considered a fugitive due to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: her probation at the time of her disappearance. Because of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that reason, Samantha had been Because of that fugitive status,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: the Fugitive Apprehension Unit became involved, and there was a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: chance that she may be found. So, to me, the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: interesting thing from this particular detail is that it seems
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that in 2015, the Burleson Police Department, or at least
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the Fugitive Apprehension Unit, We're trying to locate Samantha. That
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: means that they, I feel like, have enough confidence that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: she is still alive to conduct investigation.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Could be.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Burleson Police Department contacted the Greyhound Buses, which is a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: bus operator in America. And they asked if Samantha Tapp
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: had bought the ticket. However, nothing came of that inquiry.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So that was interesting. Then we have developments in 2011. Sorry, 2021.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: This is quite recent information. In 2021, Kendall submitted a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act. Apparently, she received a report from
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the Texas Attorney General, but she did not receive any
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: information from the Brawson Police Department. Kendale and her team
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: tried to follow up on leads from the Attorney General's report.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Kendale learned that Samantha's name had been ran in other states,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: such as Florida, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. So it seems that
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: her name was actually ran in multiple other locations. And
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it seems that she found out this information from the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: attorney general's report. So I feel like police, when they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: were investigating, they were trying to see if the Samantha Tapp,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you know, which was ran in other states in America,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: could be connected to the Samantha Tapp that, you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: we're talking about today.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: It's just, I wonder how many Samantha Tapps were there.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Like maybe just, maybe her name was ran, but it's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: such a common name.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: That's another interesting thing. On the Missing podcast, right, Kendall
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and Samantha's childhood friend, Vanessa, they said something very interesting.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: They said that, and I think Kendall said that she
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: does this every day, actually every day. And this podcast
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: happened four years ago, so maybe she still does this
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: every day. She goes on social media and she Googles
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: and she tries to find Samantha Tapp and she's using
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different names like yeah it could be
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: using like broken version of samantha's name samantha brown yes
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: she said she's using everything and she said there were
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: occasions where she thought she found her sister but apparently
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: it turned out not to.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Be it it was some other samantha tap.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: It was someone else so that's what they're doing maybe
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: even doing today that's.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: A very interesting technique i i I love the fact
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: that they're not giving up.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: No, no. It's amazing. They're trying to find her. And
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: this is, I would say, the last insane clue. And
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I would say this is the biggest clue that we have.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: And this is the uncle's story. Do you remember the uncle?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the uncle was very suspicious. So.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: So what happened, I'm going to tell you what happened,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: then you could say what you think, okay? So Kendall
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: learned that her uncle, who was living in San Antonio,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Texas at the time, had allegedly been in contact with Samantha.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: According to this uncle from San Antonio, in 2007, three
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: years after Samantha's disappearance, Samantha actually called him, made a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: phone call, three years later. and asked the uncle if
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: she could move in with him. This living arrangement never
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: ended up happening. And Samantha made another call to this guy,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: to this uncle, and now Samantha said that, oh, it's okay,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I don't need to move in anymore because I met
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a man, I met a man, and we're going to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: move to Melbourne, Florida. So this is.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say Melbourne, Australia.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: No, this is Melbourne, Florida.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: And what happened was that in 2015, when they talked
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: to the uncle again, maybe this is when the fugitive
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: unit kind of kicked in, I believe they talked to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: this uncle again. Because obviously, this is the guy you
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: want to talk to, right?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: This is the guy. So now he says, oh, in fact,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: she showed up at our doorstep.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: That on top of the call? Or was the phone
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: call a story or? Removed.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was removed. What? My logic that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the uncle in 2015 now removed. the phone call.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: You can't do that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: You can't, right? You can't. And now he says that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Samantha showed up at their doorstep with an infant. And
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: at this point, his wife didn't recognize Samantha and turned
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: her away.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe these are two separate occasions because that phone call
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: was a bit too detailed to be just, oh, I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: made it up. Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: So Kandel said, you could treat these things sort of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: like breadcrumbs. Perhaps the problem is we are unable to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: verify them or confirm them. So we don't know that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: they are in fact breadcrumbs of Samantha Tapp.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: But I hope the police looked into this uncoe.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, they talked to this guy, right? But more.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: And I also found private investigator Lou Barry mentioning that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the phone call about Samantha going to Melbourne was made
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: from a spoof number. But this is interesting.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: This is so interesting.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Because that means that the phone call was real. This
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: is what Lou Barry said, that apparently the phone call
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: that was made was about Samantha going to Melbourne was
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: made from a spoof number.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: But this phone call happened three years after she disappeared, right?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: So I don't even know anymore, I guess. But this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: phone call is about... The thing is, she mentioned Melbourne. Yeah,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: so this is three years. Yeah, this is three years.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that in the span of three years, Samantha...
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: hopefully it was Samantha who made that phone call, was
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: alive within those three years and she never really made
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: contact with Kendall. So maybe there's still a possibility that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: she's still alive, just never went back, never looked back.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: In Melbourne with a man, right? She found a man
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: and she went to Melbourne. That's what we could hope for.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: But what about that day Samantha was with a toddler,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: showed up at the doorstep, life, Turned her away.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Was that even Samantha? Or was it some random person?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I never found any more details about the uncle, but
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: this is where I would say the uncle's information kind
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: of ends here.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: What do you think about this?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to think. What can I say?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Right? It's just... Somehow it makes sense and it also
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really make that much sense. So... Age-progressed pictures
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: of Samantha, how she might be looking like right now,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: are also developed. I've seen some people mentioning that she
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like she would look like this anymore from
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: those pictures. Someone even said that the actual age-progression picture
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: looks more like a brunette Drew Barrymore.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: It does look like it. I can see it.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Brunette drew Barrymore. And I agree. To me, when I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: look at the age progression, it doesn't necessarily look like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: that's how Samantha would look like today. Investigators and Kandel
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: are also working to let Samantha know that any trouble
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: she may have been in as a minor has long passed.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Kandel said she is not wanted or being sought after
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: for any reason. If there is the reason she... If
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: that is the reason, that she is scared to come forward,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: she doesn't need to worry about that anymore. And they're
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: still working hard to try to locate her. I actually
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: went on the Facebook community page for Samantha Tapp's disappearance. And,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: you know, her sister, Kim Dale, keeps posting, I believe,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: on every birthday. I believe it was July 25th. So
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: she keeps posting on every birthday, you know, making a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: post about Samantha. And it looks like she's really missing,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: missing Samantha. You know what I mean? And so we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: kind of ran out of the details in this case,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: but this is where I did some of, I tried
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: to do some of my own digging, just a little bit,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: you know, to like dig into some stuff.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: So the first thing that I was focusing on when
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I was trying to research this case a little bit more,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: for me, the most interesting detail would be, or the
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: first natural thing that I was trying to find is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: the exact address of....
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: The grandparents?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Grandparents' home.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Did you manage to find it?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like it is Microwad.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's better not to spill it out.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's out there.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: It's out there. It's out there on a different... I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: don't even know if it's real. It's out there on unsolved.com
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: on an article about Samantha on that website.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Ah, so it's public information. It should be okay.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's public information because there are
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of sources that list her grandparents' home as
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Micah Road 1016, Burleson.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: But....
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: There's never any confirmation anywhere else. And there's no explanation
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: how they know. So I took a screenshot of this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: house from the satellite image. If you could open up
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: our file, it's the one with the little red arrow.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: And to me, her grandparents' home, if this is.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: This is presumably her grandparents' home.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, this is what it's listed online.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: It looks like a quite nice, I would say, middle
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: class suburbs.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: It looks very nice.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: It looks very nice.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: I was expecting more like a, I don't know why,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: but in my head, I was kind of imagining kind
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: of like a terrace house.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I was kind of imagining some sort of a more
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: ran down housing just because of the history. You know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: and everything. But this looks like a pretty nice neighborhood.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Massive house.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: And as you could see, it's literally just in a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: suburban area. I kind of tried to look into it
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: if there's like some sort of a, you know, like
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: a body of water or anything.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Doesn't look like it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: But to me, it doesn't look like nothing really jumps
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: out as like, something that I would say is immediately dangerous. Um,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: really have an opinion. I think the homes are quite
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: close to each other. I mean, you know, did someone
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: potentially intercept just like in the last week's case, when
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: we talked about Beverly pots, I mean, is there a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: chance someone intercepted, um, intercepted samantha tap so i kind
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: of googled burleson 2004 crime yeah and the first thing
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: that comes up is that the most notable crime related
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: event in burleson texas 2004 was the unsolved disappearance of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: 16 year old samantha.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Tap okay so it was the only one at that
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: point so it was.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: The only one another thing i did is i went
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: on And this is just a random find, potentially random find,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: but this is not really... I don't know if this
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: is the real thing. I googled 2003 Burleson High School yearbook.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: So you could take a file... Sorry, take a look
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: at the file one more time.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: There's this like image.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you really dug into it.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't really do that much digging. Don't worry about it.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: This was nothing crazy. But like I googled 2003 Burleson
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: High School yearbook. Why 2003? Because, you know, Samantha never
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: really made it to 2004. So I went to the yearbook.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't state who the person is. But what
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: do you think?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: It looks like Samantha from a different angle.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be showing this on the YouTube channel,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: but do you think that this is Samantha in the yearbook?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: It could be, actually. Because I'm looking at the picture
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: right next to the cheerleading picture.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: It's her, dude.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: It looks like her.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: It's probably Samantha, because look, the glasses. Look at the glasses.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the glasses are identical.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Look at the glasses.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: And the nose.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: The nose, the hair.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: The smile.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Dude, it has to be Samantha.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: It has to be.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: But then now we, so Samantha, and can you describe
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: this picture? It looks like she, this is a picture
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of a girl who is a cheerleader?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh, doing a cheer dance. And she seemed very happy.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: With all these pictures, she always seemed so happy. Like,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: she seemed just a regular, carefree teenager.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be showing this on your YouTube channel.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: If you Google, if you Google 2003 Burleson High School yearbook,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like one of those images is like literally
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: just a... Because, you know, we're looking at the image
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: of the full page of this yearbook is just one girl,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: one cheerleader. And there's no caption. It just says different...
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: something on the bottom. But it doesn't really say who
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: this person is. But to me, this looks like it's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Samantha Tapp.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: It could be someone else. But from the way we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: see it, the way we analyze the picture, it could
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: be Samantha.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looks like Samantha Tapp. It's so crazy
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: that your book from 2003 has a missing person on it.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating in my opinion.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: It is, it is.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So that's the only thing that I found. I kind
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: of also went online a little bit. Just to kind
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: of see what the community is saying about the case.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: So one of the interesting things that was brought up
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: on the community Facebook page was from a person called
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Arbella Lee Ray. She says, did the grandfather do something?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Most kids that age always tried to come back home
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: where they ran from. So I guess they're saying that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: grandfather did foul play. And then the community page responded,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: there's absolutely zero indication of that. I feel like community
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: pages ran by family. So I think family is saying
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: that grandfather has nothing to do with it. But that's
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: an interesting angle that I honestly didn't consider during my research.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I never considered it.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: The uncle. The uncle.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Is a bit suspicious for me personally i don't know
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: what he was doing that that uncle is the complete.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Flip is just so interesting for me it's like dude
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: how did you even come up with that story in
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: the first place of a call it's so detailed and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden like oh no she showed
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: up with a toddler and my wife didn't know her
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: so we shooed her away it's like two completely different
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: stories yeah found that way more suspicious than the grandpa.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: The grandpa just feels like, I don't know, from what
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: do we know? Hey, we don't know the people personally.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: And from what we could gather online and from the
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: way it's presented to us, it feels like the grandparents
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: didn't really care as much.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I'm also gonna say something not very... the nicest thing
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: in the world maybe here, but also it looks like
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Samantha was... running into trouble she.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Was i mean she was uh let's be real here
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: from all of the information we have she seemed like
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: a very troublesome teenager but.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Also very like good grades and and happy and looks
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: like she's in the school year book all happy.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Well i can see here is that she really had
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: a tough time struggling she was struggling as a teenager
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: as well could.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: You see that she would be hiding some emotions Oh, definitely. That, like,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: the pictures of her smiling is, like, fake.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Potentially, you know what I mean? I'm not saying that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: they are, but.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I think it's super obvious that
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: she loves making faces in photographs, right? In front of
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: the camera. Feels like something, you know, someone... Or she
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: seemed very happy all the time. Feels like someone who
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: would have something to hide or is secretly sad inside
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Good point. I went a little bit on Reddit and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I found an interesting comment from Amador9. This is four
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: years ago on a Reddit thread about Samantha's case. And
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: this person is saying, it would be very difficult for
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: someone in 2004 to establish a new identity. Not impossible,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: but unlikely. Samantha's situation at that time really didn't justify
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: establishing a new identity. Realistically, law enforcement doesn't put that
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: much effort into tracking down 16-year-old runaways who are in
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: foster care. The fact that no trace of her has
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: turned up since then is pretty suggestive that she is dead.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: The account of her last known actions is consistent with runaway. Runaway, however,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: usually means not returning to her home that night and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: staying with friends. It rarely means leaving the area with
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: no intention of returning. Runaway can also involve high-risk activities
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: and interacting with adults that are not well-known to the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: runaway but in a position to help them. This can
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: be very dangerous. I think a lot of missing girls
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: started out as runaways and then became victims. I think
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: this person has a good point, to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I could see that happening.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't really think I found anything that significant
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: being discussed online. I think this is the culmination of
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: my research on the topic here. I also put some
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: thought into what could have happened to Samantha. My conclusion
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: would be that I believe that she was actually, by
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the looks of it, alive for at least a week.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: And then she was hanging out with some people. One
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: of those persons, I believe, was Brandon. A Brandon in Burleson.
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  Speaker 1: Then I don't necessarily put too much weight to the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: airport and the Oregon thing. I don't really put much
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: weight to the uncle story, which is hard to believe.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: So I feel like, to me, if I had to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: really guess or interpret, What I'm leaning towards, I feel
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: like something bad happened, I think, within maybe a month
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: or something like that of her being a runaway. And
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like these people, the people that were hanging
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: out with her in the backyard, which I think most
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: probably happened, I feel like they know more and I'm
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: very interested in why they never came forward. I feel
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: like there is very little chance that they don't know
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: about Samantha being missing. I mean, I guess there is
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: a chance. I guess there is a chance that this
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Brandon from Burleson in 2004 doesn't know that this girl
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: that he was hanging out with.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, come on.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: But he must know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's been too long now.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: He must know.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: One way or another, he should know.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: So that's my conclusion. I don't know what to think here.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: I think that there is a huge possibility that she
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: was a runaway at one point. I do not know
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: for how long. I think maybe it could be just
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: a week. It could be a year. Maybe that phone
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: call to the uncle was actually real. Maybe she even
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: had a kid at one point. But I think somewhere
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: along the way, there's a chance that she have met someone.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, that person didn't have the nicest intentions. And
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I'm saying this as I'm also suspecting the uncle is
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: one of them. Just because of that flip-floppy story like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: what was that about? And there's another possibility that I'm
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: really hoping for it's real. She's alive somewhere in Florida
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: and she just doesn't want to go back to her
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: previous life.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: That would be the best possibility, obviously. Do you think
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: that her being off medication for bipolar had something to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: do with it?
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: I think her rough.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Background and the fact that she had been off medicine
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: for a while, I feel like definitely affected her decisions
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: during that time. What do you think?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I think so as well.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just hoping that I don't know. I'm just really
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: hoping that she's just alive there somewhere and she didn't
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: meet foul play or she didn't harm herself.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: That's the last thing I was going to bring up.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to mention because I don't want
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: it to be true.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: But, you know, we have to see.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: The percentage is way too high.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we checked the statistics for bipolar disorder and how
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: many people actually commit self-harm. So I'm just really hoping
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: that that wasn't the case.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing is she also ran away. What
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: if she was completely alone in all of those days?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also doesn't seem like she wanted to commit
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: self-harm because we know that she most likely was still
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: alive a week later.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: I really wonder what that argument with the grandpa was about, though. Like,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: was that the last straw that she just decided to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: ditch everything? Or I don't know.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It seemed pretty significant to me because she did run
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: away on multiple occasions in the past, but she would
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: come back within hours or at the very latest the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: next morning. So to me, it seemed that this was
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: a more significant argument than in the past.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same here. But I do hope that Brandon guy,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: come on, man, it's been too long. If you're completely innocent,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: just speak up.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: That would be my number one objective, I feel like.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Locate the Brandon who was with Samantha, potentially in the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: grandparents' home, a week after Samantha was last seen on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: October 12th. I would say this is the main thing to...
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: That just jumps out to me. Who is this brand?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, we're also not that big. I mean,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you could probably try to find this guy. And I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: feel like police definitely... tried to find him. I would
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: be shocked. I would just want to say I would
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: be absolutely shocked if police didn't try to find some
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: sort of Brandon.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, it feels like the police didn't
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: do as thorough of an investigation.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just way too blindly... Maybe I believe in
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: law enforcement way too blindly. Maybe police really doesn't do nothing.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. At this point, because from the looks
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: of it, it feels like they really treated her as
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: a runaway and it's like, ah, she might come back.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I think we explored as much as we can here
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: in this case. I really think we did. I think
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: we know what's next.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait, sorry. Just really quickly. Now I'm also wondering,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: how come that private investigator did not find out who
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Brandon is?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: I guess there was too many Brandons or they couldn't really,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like, it's not that easy.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: True. It's quite a common name as well.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: On top of that, I don't know if Private Investigator
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: has the same power as a real investigator. So I
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: would like to wrap. This one up, I would like
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: to thank Parker Curry for suggesting Samantha's case. Without you,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I probably would have never known about Samantha's case.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Which is so sad. I mean, I feel like if
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: it's only more known around the area, she probably would
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: have been located. Or at least would know more about
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: what happened to her.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: This feels like a case where if her name gets
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: out there more, there feels like some developments might actually
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: take place. Yeah. and things do happen like I read
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: somewhere a little bit of topic I read somewhere that
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: ASHA degree you remember the case there was developments recently
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: and that's an old case oh that's nice yeah and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: we may have to jump into it or see because
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: you know that's a that's a terrible case that's a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: terrible case but that's something that stuck to me forever
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: we might have have to get to it. Not necessarily
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: next time or we'll see. But I thought there were
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: some developments. Basically, what I'm saying is that there's developments
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: on these cases, old cases, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: And with new technology, we could really try to hope
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: for the best here. So let's keep our eyes peeled here.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I would just say thank you to the listeners who stuck.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Sorry, really quickly now. Just wanted to say this whole case,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: it feels like the only people who actually talked are
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: the ones... family members and vanessa did you think so
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: what about like people who were in the store who
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: saw her nothing the friends who actually she smoked with.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Nothing store which store no.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: For example on the day she ran away maybe she
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: went to a store oh okay okay like someone could
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: have should have said oh yeah i saw her here
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: but nothing we all we have our family accounts in
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: vanessa her childhood best friend, which also counts as a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: family now.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: That's true. It feels like a lot of people have
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: forgotten about Samantha already, which is terrible. Well, not her family, though.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: What about the neighbors? Probably someone saw her. Classmates in school? Like,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: why is it just... It feels like it just revolves
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: around the family.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Good point. But I would say let's wrap up. And
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: thank you to the listeners who made it this far.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: We will talk to you on the next one. Please
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: leave your thoughts, what we could improve on the podcast.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: And I guess stay safe.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Out there, guys. Yeah. Hope you enjoyed it. And we'll
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: see you very soon. Take care of yourselves. Bye-bye.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Bye.