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France “Doom Loop”: Really? | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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  Good morning, it's DeProgram with Ted Rall
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  and Jamarl Thomas for Wednesday, October 21st,
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  2026. Thank you very much for joining us. Please
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  like, follow, and share. And here's what we've
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  got for you this morning. We have France's so-
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  called doom loop. President Emmanuel Macron
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  is being squeezed by the people, the protesters
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  on the streets, but also by the bond market,
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  which is basically saying, if you spend more
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  money to fix these social ills, then the market
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  will panic and then you'll have to have even
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  more austerity. So what does the dude do? Vivek
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  Ramaswamy appears to have gone a bridge too far
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  in the Ohio governor's race by running this very
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  scurrilous campaign ad. We'll tell you exactly
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  what he did. We should run it, too. Yeah, we
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  should run the ad. Robby, please cue it up.
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  We want to watch it for sure. I haven't seen
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  it. I've only read about it. Cohen Wiley was
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  the one-year-old who was killed outside of
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  a Walmart by the cops in Mississippi. The AG
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  down in Mississippi said, that's totally
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  fine, shooting into a car and blowing away a
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  baby. No problem. But didn't have any comments
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  about it. We'll cut in two. That whole cops and
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  ICE shooting into cars phenomenon. Last but not
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  least, Russia has released an American citizen
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  who's either 73 or 74, depending on the news
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  accounts. Stephen Hubbard has been detained as
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  a mercenary for Ukraine since the beginning of
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  the war in 2022 as a goodwill gesture by Vladimir
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  Putin to Trump envoy Steve Witkoff. And so
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  basically the Russia-Ukraine war is
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  front and center in the news once again. Please
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  and good morning Jamarl how are you doing? I'm
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  doing fine. Wait, how old was he? Well, he's either
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  73 or 74 depending on which reports you read
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  and they're claiming he's a mercenary. Yeah, so
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  he was basically a wandering dude,
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  kind of a random guy who
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  liked to travel and he found himself in Ukraine
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  at the beginning of the war. Russia arrested him,
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  basically said he was a mercenary for the Ukrainian
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  military. That sounds probably true to me based
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  on the circumstances of the whole
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  thing that he's walking in a war zone. Well, that's
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  not completely unprecedented, right?
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  There's always these adventurers who
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  turn up in weird places. So there's a guy, what
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  was his name? Josiah Harlan. I think it's Josiah
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  Harlan, who was the mid-19th century guy
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  who claimed to be the prince of Gore province
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  in central Afghanistan. And he kind of had a
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  legitimate claim, sort of. And he was the American
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  dude from Pennsylvania. But there's all
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  these wackos who turn up in conflict zones. And
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  really legitimately, the only reasons you
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  have to be in a conflict zone, unless you're
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  a civilian, are either to be a journalist or
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  to be a combatant. Right, right, there's no
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  allegation here that this guy was a journalist.
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  He didn't say he was and he was definitely
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  sympathetic to the Ukrainians and
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  the Russians have held him for several years
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  now and he was the last person, the last American
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  that the U.S. State Department officially classified
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  as being held by Russia but not in a justifiable
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  way for whatever that means, to the extent
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  that the United States is in any position to
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  tell, to assess whether any other country's laws
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  are being properly adhered to or not. But basically,
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  this is kind of, it's obviously
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  a sop to the Americans. If I were
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  the Russians, I'd be, we don't need this
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  guy. You can have him back. He's great.
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  You enjoy. And it kind of looks like that. But
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  where shall we start? So I guess two announcements.
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  One, just hit 80,000 last night. Blew through
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  80,000. So I'm ecstatic about that. It sucks.
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  Congratulations. Yeah, I'm pumped today. And
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  two, I was in a conversation with, I went on
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  Scotty's show. I think you know Scotty. Scotty,
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  know him? Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.
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  Love Scotty. Love her to death. I went on Scotty's
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  show. And I didn't know that I was going for
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  political combat. Oh, no. I didn't know. Well,
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  that could happen. And so we get into a conversation
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  about. The conversation was supposed to be effectively.
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  Will Donald Trump be punished? Will Republicans
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  be punished for Donald Trump? And obviously my
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  argument for months is that
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  they were going to get slaughtered. And so I'm
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  going into thinking that's the fight. A Republican
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  is on the other side, but a CNN Republican.
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  I'm going to call it. I don't want to say anything
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  bad about him because he didn't do anything wrong.
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  A CNN Republican. But CNN and people on CNN are
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  very partisan. I'm not overtly partisan, at least
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  not in the context of red and blue. He is. And
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  he is fighting for his side. I didn't go into
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  the fight knowing that. Right? Because I didn't
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  know it was going to be a fight. You thought
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  you were just doing analysis. Yeah, I thought
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  we were just doing analysis. When I bring
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  people on my show, we argue. But we're arguing
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  about real stuff, not about fake stuff. And so
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  he immediately brings up. Well, Republicans may
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  lose some seats, but the argument is, but they
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  would lose more seats if the Democrats actually
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  put decent candidates up, like El-Said, who's
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  being funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, and the
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  other Democrat that is having sex with his cousin.
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  Now, what? I was, whoa, okay.
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  A, El-Sayed is not being funded by the Muslim
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  Brotherhood. And I have no idea who you're talking
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  about, who's having sex with their cousin. And
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  he's, yes, he is. He is being funded by
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  the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, I know Republicans,
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  right? Because there's some weird angle that
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  they're using in order to justify making this
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  claim. And this is just a dog whistle to, he's
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  a Muslim. Totally. And for the other one, I'm
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  , I have no idea who you're talking about.
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  And also, why did they pick the Muslim Brotherhood,
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  which is kind of obscure to Americans? Why not
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  say ISIS? Why not claim al-Qaeda? Why?
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  Why the Muslim? Most Americans don't
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  even know what the Muslim Brotherhood is.
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  It's really weird. And either way, my thing
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  was, that shit's not true. From my understanding,
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  that's not true. Yeah, there's no evidence whatsoever
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  for that. None. It's made up. And he is definitively
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  , yes, he's being funded by the Muslim Brotherhood.
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  And I'm, okay. He's talking about AIPAC.
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  Who cares? Well, that's the other thing. It's
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  the president of the United States who you're
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  trying to get away from is a stooge of another
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  foreign power, which is treasonous. And that
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  part is true. That part is true. And then he's
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  the person who's having sex with their cousin.
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  And I'm, I have no idea who that is. Now,
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  this is where I messed up. I have an idea who
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  they're talking about. I think some person in
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  Maine or somewhere. Is that what it is? Oh, I
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  thought it was Rashida Tlaib. Oh, I don't know.
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  Who supposedly married her brother? They were
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  saying Ilhan Omar married his brother. Oh, Ilhan
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  Omar, right. Right. And that's what I thought
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  he was talking about. And I'm, I have no
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  idea what you're talking about. Because my thing
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  is, that shit isn't true. So I don't even need
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  to acknowledge it. And he brings in some random
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  Democrat. Connecticut and he says, well, you
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  should know this if you're a political analyst
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  and I'm, oh that burned. That burn when
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  somebody says, well, if you call yourself a political
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  analyst then you should know. Yeah, yeah. And I
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  was, okay that burns. It's hard to keep track
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  of all the Republicans though
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  which is what I said. I was, I can't. I said
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  for one, Republicans seem to be very interested
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  in what people do in their bedrooms. I can't keep
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  track of all that. What matters is that you guys
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  are going to lose the House and the Senate. But
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  that burned. I'm giving him credit for that.
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  Yeah, I can't keep track of all that. The main
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  thesis of it is you guys are going to fail miserably.
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  His argument is, well, we'd do much better if
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  so-and-so, if you guys were better, we'd do
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  much worse. It's, what the fuck? Probably,
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  maybe? Possibly. But sure. There's
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  look, he's kind of singing a song that I sing
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  sometimes, which is he just because you're
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  winning doesn't mean that you're not necessarily
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  leaving money on the table. Right. That's true.
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  And it's something that's a lesson
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  the Democrats and everybody should probably take
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  to heart. But it's hard to imagine. I
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  think at this point in this, and look,
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  I'm not saying this as a partisan Democrat
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  because I'm not. I don't give a shit
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  about Democrats, but if, but I
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  just think objectively looking
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  at it, what's about to happen in about two and
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  a half weeks is a blowout. And that basically
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  the American voters are going to turn out and
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  vote for everything D and nothing R just because
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  they're pissed and they're not going to be looking
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  at the details. Look, I have to admit,
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  that exchange? Maybe we could
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  pull that up too, Robby. That exchange
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  that's been going viral between Saeed and a Republican
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  voter named Tommy who showed up at one of his
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  public appearances? It's been all over the place.
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  Robby, if you can – I know you know what I'm
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  talking about, Robby. Can you pull that up?
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  Robby, do you know what I'm talking about? You're
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  muted. So he got into a fight back and forth
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  with a guy. By the way, Jamie Vance ended
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  up in a – I guess it wasn't a back and forth,
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  but the guy kind of made the point of saying,
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  dude, my wife is dead as a result of your criminal
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  war. Why is she dead? That's powerful. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well, that one's hard to beat. All right.
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  So here we put Robby on. Robby, I can't hear
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  you though. Hello, Robby. I'm here. So I've
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  got the Vivek ad up and ready to go, and I'm
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  looking for the Saeed versus Tommy. Let's do
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  Vivek, and then we'll do the Tommy and Saeed
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  thing afterwards. Okay, because I'm trying to
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  find a better version of the Tommy thing. Right
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  now I'm finding a bunch of ones from people who
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  are recording it from their crowd on a cell phone.
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  So I'm trying to find a better version. Yeah,
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  thank you. There's been some news coverage. It
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  was an interesting fight. He got the better of
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  that debate, but that comment burned. I hear
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  you. All right. Here it is. You're fooling yourself.
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  My name is Donna Arthur, and I'm Amy Acton's
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  mother. I work at Children and Family Service
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  Association, building one of the first two sexual
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  abuse programs in America. I love my daughter,
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  but when I saw her lying about her opponent,
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  it's not easy for a mother to say this, but Amy
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  has a serious problem. She is a liar. She lies
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  about her past. She says she grew up living in
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  a tent. None of that is true. She's lied her
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  entire life. My daughter needs help, and she
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  can't help you if she needs help herself. People
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  can change. But first, they have to tell the
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  truth. And my daughter still isn't doing that.
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  Don't vote for people who lie. Don't let her
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  become your governor. If you think she'll make
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  your life better, you're fooling yourself. It
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  will only get worse. Hey, Miss Donna. It would
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  only get worse. It would only get worse. That's
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  her real mom? That's her real mom. Oh, that is
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  brutal. Yeah, by the way, I don't think that
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  woman has been a stranger to the bottle is all
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  I have to say. So, yeah, the allegations that
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  the lady, Acton, who's running for, she's
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  the Democratic candidate against Vivek for governor
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  of Ohio is that she has said repeatedly that
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  she was sexually assaulted, raped by her stepfather.
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  In other words, this lady's husband. I don't
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  know if he's still her husband, or even if he's
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  still alive. And basically, they're estranged
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  over this issue, right? She's,
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  Mom, your husband fucked me. And Mom's
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  denying it, right? So obviously, we're not there.
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  We don't know who's telling the truth. What we
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  do know is the results of the poll. So Vivek
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  dropped four million dollars into the Ohio ad
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  market on this ad, so this thing flooded the airwaves
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  and it's the, as an Ohioan, I don't
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  can't expect. I don't think this is a Buckeye
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  state thing. I don't think it would matter where
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  you were from, but people are, they were
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  just disgusted and now this race which was very
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  tight, down to within the margin of error is
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  now she's surging. Ohioans, the voters, are
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  disgusted by this and I think it's kind of
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  he had two big errors. So he released
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  this ad. That is doing an interview. I forget which
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  show he was on. I'm not your typical xenophobic
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  Republicans. I think we need more H-1B visa
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  holders to come here to Ohio to start doing these
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  jobs. What? This man is in Ohio, which has been
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  decimated. Oh, yeah. Talking about how Americans
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  are too stupid to do the work. So in addition,
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  is this a one-two punch to the face? That's
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  it for him. Oh, he's done. And I say good. Well,
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  it's... I always thought it was remarkable
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  that a billionaire would have a chance of being
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  the governor of Ohio. And also, frankly, that
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  a guy who looked like him would have the chance
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  to be governor of Ohio. But it's holy shit. I
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  and then add it. It makes
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  Willie Horton look like nice and kind.
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  Queensbury rules. Right. This is
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  You're gonna bring in you're
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  gonna go and drag the lady's mom in there
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  who frankly doesn't sound credible. If
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  even if she is correct, if she's telling the truth.
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  She doesn't sound like she's telling the truth
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  and she sounds like a very sad, fucked-up old
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  lady, and it's okay. Let's just say for the
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  sake of argument that Acton lied about this. I
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  doubt it, but let's just say she did.
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  You're the mom should just be, this is a
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  tragedy. This is a family thing we're trying
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  to resolve. And you don't fucking run an ad.
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  You don't do an ad for the other candidate when
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  she's running for governor. You just don't. Do
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  you remember the politician, Will Ferrell? Well,
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  there's a scene in Will Ferrell where he's,
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  he says, I'm going to fuck his mom or something
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  like that, or his wife or something like that.
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  And he does an ad having sex with his,
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  what is it? Having sex with his mom or something
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  like that. It was something insane. And
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  the guy was, don't put that ad up. And he
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  said, no, he said, put it out. I'm going to put
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  it out tonight. I'm going to put it out tonight.
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  And he puts the ad out tonight and it bombs.
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  If I remember the movie correctly, because there's
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  a scene where he does something absurd.
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  And he says, I'm going to do it tonight. I'm
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  going to do it tonight. And the guy's, don't
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  do it. I'm your agent. Don't do this. And Will
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  Ferrell did it anyway. That's that ad. That's
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  that ad. It's that ad. And comedy at this point.
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  That's the most outrageous political ad I think
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  I've ever seen. I bet that Ramaswamy thought
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  this is a killer. I bet that's what he thought
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  too. And I got to be honest, when I looked at
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  it, my first thought was, whoa, that's lethal.
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  And I guess it is lethal in the other direction.
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  Yeah, to him. You can't. For one, I don't believe
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  the mom. I don't believe her either. I think
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  her problem is very basic. If I admit that my
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  husband was having sex with my daughter, then
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  I'm a shit-ass mom. Yeah. There are a lot of
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  shit-ass moms that would do some shit like that.
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  Absolutely. It's, I'm going to let my daughter
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  get raped by this guy because I want to keep
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  the guy. And then when the daughter brings it
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  to him, the response of the mom is either, I
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  don't believe you. And we are creating division
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  between me and my kid, as opposed to this asshole
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  that you've associated yourself with. Look, that
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  happens. It just happens. Look, on the show,
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  we've talked about, the three of us have talked
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  about our experiences being sexually assaulted,
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  right? I was sexually assaulted by a janitor
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  in my middle school. I did not tell my mom about
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  it at the time. And years later, when I was in
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  my 40s, I told her. And she said, you're
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  just lying. You just didn't want to. You just didn't
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  want to work after school. You were lazy then.
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  If she's siding with a janitor who shouldn't
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  even know, why would you be, why would I lie?
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  That's what I told her. I said, what am
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  I trying to weasel out of an after-school job
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  helping the janitor at this point, helping
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  the janitor who's probably dead by now of old
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  age, helping him clean chalkboards.
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  I don't think so, right? But the point is people
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  they don't. Because here's the thing about my
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  mom. She didn't want to think I imperiled my son.
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  I got him this job. I put him in harm's way. She
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  doesn't want that. That makes her
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  feel like she's a bad mom. So rather than just
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  own it and just say, God, son, I'm so sorry I put
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  you in that situation which is frankly
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  all she's expected to say. And no one, I would
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  be, don't worry about it, Mom. It's over. It's
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  in the past. But she can't, right? It's not her
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  fault. She can't accept. She couldn't accept that,
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  right? And I think it's the same thing. Oh,
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  I married a guy. He raped my daughter and so
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  that means I brought him into her life and I
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  and she became a victim because of me. So
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  now I'm in this terrible position having to decide
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  whether I leave this dude and I admit that I
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  imperiled my daughter. That's what this
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  is about. Unfortunately, she's making it about
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  her and she's not the victim here. The future
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  governor of Ohio is the victim here. Yeah, agreed.
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  I told my mom at 24 and it was, I think
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  her thing was kind of, well, at the time
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  I was in a hospital. And so I think she thought
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  maybe he's out of his mind. Because you were
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  on meds and stuff. And when she asked me
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  later, I was, no, it's true. I just didn't
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  say anything. It's not I took it as my fault.
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  And I wasn't one of those people who was,
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  oh my God, I'm traumatized. This is on me and
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  blah, blah, blah. I didn't take it that way.
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  My mom did ask me, why didn't you tell me at
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  the time? I'm, because you wouldn't have
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  believed me. And look, you still don't believe
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  me, right? No, she would have believed me. I
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  just, I think I was embarrassed by it at the
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  time. And so it was kind of, yeah, I was
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  just, I think I was more embarrassed by it at
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  the time. But I knew it wasn't my fault or nothing
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  like that. Ramaswamy, this is
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  some. It's so funny, right? Because she's
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  the text of the ad is you can't trust
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  my daughter. She'll just make things
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  worse, whatever that means. I don't know, more
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  H-1B visas, but you could get away with
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  this commercial if it was for something like
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  my daughter was a thief. My daughter is a liar
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  but not on sexual abuse. No, especially not
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  now. Not now. It has to be on something else. You
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  can make that ad. It would work in a different context.
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  I think most voters are also very familiar with
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  this kind of context of this story. It's so typical.
• 20:44
  Bill Clinton was not sexually violated
• 20:47
  but he was brutalized by his stepfather and
• 20:50
  he stood up to him and
• 20:53
  famously kicked him
• 20:55
  out of his trailer, right? The point
• 20:58
  everyone knows that story, right? Woman remarries
• 21:01
  an. And then the woman sides with the asshole.
• 21:05
  It's really common. If it hasn't happened
• 21:09
  to you, it's happened to someone you know. You
• 21:12
  can't get away with that ad. I just don't think
• 21:14
  you can get away with that ad. Not in that context.
• 21:17
  It has to be a different context. And a different
• 21:19
  context is a killer ad. My daughter's a thief.
• 21:21
  She robbed me. She stole something from me. Blah,
• 21:24
  blah, blah. That works. Not my daughter was sexually
• 21:27
  harassed. Maybe. I don't know. I'm not so sure
• 21:30
  about that. I'm not so sure. I think
• 21:32
  when you get involved in people's intimate
• 21:34
  family shit, it's super cringe.
• 21:38
  It's rough. It's kind of
• 21:41
  nobody really knows what happens between family
• 21:43
  members. And you want to
• 21:47
  drag that into the public sphere. It's just inappropriate.
• 21:50
  Well, he has no choice. When the Kennedys came
• 21:53
  out and put a knife. Well, that was disgusting.
• 21:56
  I thought that was disgusting. And it was effective.
• 22:00
  It was effective. Many, it depends on the
• 22:02
  context. It was still disgusting. I'm sorry.
• 22:05
  No, no, you're good. Ramaswamy has no choice
• 22:07
  because he committed political suicide in the
• 22:12
  rustiest of the Rust Belt states by saying that
• 22:16
  you people are too uneducated, too lazy, too
• 22:19
  stupid and too inept to do these jobs, so I need
• 22:23
  to bring thousands and thousands of people
• 22:26
  here to come do the jobs that none
• 22:28
  of you are qualified for from a place where the
• 22:31
  people look like me. Nuts to you. Enjoy your meth,
• 22:33
  enjoy your alcohol, enjoy your trailer park and
• 22:36
  hope that you die of suicide sooner rather than
• 22:38
  later. By the way, that's why he did this. It
• 22:42
  escapes me as an Ohioan who grew up in fucking
• 22:45
  Dayton in the Rust Belt, watched the population
• 22:47
  of my city drop by 50 to 80 percent, depending
• 22:51
  on who you count, in a matter of 20 years.
• 22:54
  It's and I got to tell you, when
• 22:56
  I used to work for the bank in the 80s in New
• 22:59
  York, we used to recommend to Japanese companies
• 23:02
  which states had the highest
• 23:04
  educated workforces in the country.
• 23:08
  Ohio has one of the most well, or at least had
• 23:11
  one of the most well-educated workforces among
• 23:14
  working-class people in the United States, so
• 23:17
  if you needed a high-tech plant and
• 23:19
  you needed really smart well-trained people,
• 23:22
  Ohio was a good state to do it in. So all the
• 23:26
  more reason. No, you don't need H-1B visas.
• 23:29
  The state has skyrocketing unemployment.
• 23:32
  You have tons of overqualified, underemployed,
• 23:35
  unemployed people who need work. You
• 23:39
  don't need a single H-1B visa in that state.
• 23:41
  Robby, I'm glad you brought that up. Because
• 23:43
  their policy, keep in mind, what Elon
• 23:46
  Musk and what Vivek Ramaswamy basically complained
• 23:49
  about, because they said the same thing on the
• 23:51
  campaign trail, is policy that the U.S. enacted.
• 23:55
  And then they turn around and say, well, we obviously
• 23:58
  need to bring in more people from other countries
• 24:00
  because the U.S. can't do these jobs. It's,
• 24:02
  OK, so you don't invest in education. You don't
• 24:04
  invest in any of these things that would allow
• 24:07
  the, let's say, the positions or the people to
• 24:10
  do the positions that you're effectively training.
• 24:13
  Yeah. Meaning these aren't things that you
• 24:15
  invest in. And then you turn around and say,
• 24:17
  we need to bring in foreigners to do jobs that
• 24:19
  Americans could do if Americans were effectively
• 24:21
  trained to do. But we don't want to train them
• 24:22
  to do those jobs. That's the issue of policy.
• 24:25
  That's a failure policy. And let's also add to
• 24:27
  it, they want indentured slaves. Meaning they
• 24:30
  want indentured servants. The amount that you
• 24:33
  would have to pay somebody on an H-1B is
• 24:35
  less than the amount that you pay an American.
• 24:37
  The things that you would have to give to that
• 24:40
  person are less. The control that you have over
• 24:42
  that person is more. This is about control and
• 24:46
  about the amount of money that you're effectively
• 24:47
  spending on people. They want to spend as little
• 24:49
  as possible. Hence, they want to bring people
• 24:51
  into the country. Now, Ohio will be right, and
• 24:55
  not putting him in office, if that is indeed
• 24:57
  the policy that Vivek Ramaswamy wants. I don't
• 24:59
  know what effect he would have as governor.
• 25:01
  Anyway. That heifer should be deported. Talk
• 25:04
  about deporting heifers. I know he's a dude,
• 25:07
  but the premise, though, is the same. He needs
• 25:10
  to go away. I don't know where he needs to go.
• 25:12
  Deport that heifer. Agreed. Deport that heifer.
• 25:15
  I guess in this case, deport that bull. Yeah,
• 25:17
  whatever. But I found that, Saeed. Either way.
• 25:21
  I found that, Saeed. I found the Saeed clip.
• 25:23
  It's about four and a half minutes. Do you want
• 25:25
  to do the whole thing? Yeah, let's do it. No,
• 25:28
  just enough to. Y'all let me know when to stop
• 25:33
  it then. Okay, I'll tell you. Go. Simple question.
• 25:41
  No, your friend's got the mic. I'll ask you a
• 25:43
  simple question. You give me your name. I'll
• 25:44
  answer the question. Okay, Tommy. Hi, Tommy.
• 25:46
  How are you? I'm great. Are you? Do you know
• 25:49
  what the Constitution of the United States is?
• 25:51
  So snotty, are you. I have one simple question.
• 25:53
  Will you disavow the Muslims? Sure. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:56
  But I want to ask them the question that you're
• 25:57
  asking. Why are you asking the question? Well,
• 26:00
  because they're a terrorist group. Okay. No,
• 26:04
  no, but what are you implying? Do you assume
• 26:06
  that I wouldn't? Yes. Why not? Because I have
• 26:09
  not heard you disavow them yet. Have you disavowed
• 26:11
  them? I haven't heard you disavow them yet. You're
• 26:14
  great. But here's the thing about it. You're
• 26:16
  asking the question because implicitly you assume
• 26:19
  that I'll have dual loyalties, right? You assume
• 26:23
  that somehow I wouldn't disavow. Or that I'll
• 26:26
  have some higher order allegiance than the Constitution.
• 26:30
  Correct? Tommy, is that what you imply? Why would
• 26:33
  you think that about me? Because I have not heard
• 26:35
  you disavow. No, no, no, no. Why would you actually
• 26:37
  think that about me? Because I have not heard
• 26:39
  you disavow. But I just did. But why would you
• 26:40
  actually think that? Have you asked everybody
• 26:43
  in your life if they disavow? I have not. So
• 26:46
  why are you asking me? Because I have not heard
• 26:48
  you disavow. No, no, no. Answer the question,
• 26:50
  Tommy. Everybody knows the answer to it. Answer
• 26:52
  the question. All right. So let me just tell
• 26:55
  you. Let me just tell you. I'm going to swear
• 26:58
  an oath to the Constitution of the United States.
• 27:01
  And that Constitution guarantees us all the right
• 27:04
  to practice whatever faith we want, no faith
• 27:06
  at all. And now, you assume, you assume, Tommy,
• 27:12
  that because I am Muslim, that somehow I would
• 27:16
  have some allegiance to something that is not
• 27:18
  our Constitution. That's your assumption. That's
• 27:20
  implicit in the question. What's interesting
• 27:23
  to me is that this is not the first time people
• 27:25
  have asked those kinds of questions. Because,
• 27:28
  do you know who John F. Kennedy is? Do you know
• 27:31
  who that is, Tommy? I do. Alright. Do you know
• 27:34
  what he was asked as the first possible Catholic
• 27:36
  president of the United States? What did they
• 27:38
  ask him? You don't remember? You should read
• 27:41
  history. Tommy, when he ran for president, he
• 27:44
  was asked whether or not he was going to have
• 27:48
  allegiance to the Pope at the Vatican, because
• 27:51
  of course he's Catholic. And his answer famously
• 27:55
  was that he was not running to be a Catholic
• 27:57
  president. He was running to be president and
• 27:59
  happened to be Catholic. That is so racist.
• 28:09
  That's sublimely racist. And what's wild about
• 28:12
  it, if he was Jewish and they said, hey, are
• 28:14
  you going to have foreign allegiance to Israel?
• 28:16
  Now, the reality of it is many of those guys,
• 28:19
  especially the guy running through Congress with
• 28:21
  an Israeli uniform, is making his allegiance
• 28:23
  very clear. But if you were to say anything, yeah,
• 28:26
  but if you say anything about that they would
• 28:29
  say, well, that's racist, that's anti-Semitic by
• 28:31
  definition, and it's, but no, it actually seems
• 28:35
  that guy seems to be working more for Israel.
• 28:37
  He's in an Israeli uniform, right? El-Saeed just
• 28:41
  because he is Muslim. Just because he's Muslim
• 28:45
  meaning all of these attacks, the attack that
• 28:47
  I was telling you about the Muslim Brotherhood
• 28:48
  stuff, all of these attacks have everything and
• 28:51
  only to do with he is Muslim. That's it. There's
• 28:55
  nothing else to it. There's not a shred of evidence
• 28:57
  that he's supporting anything, right? And yet
• 29:00
  they put all of this on him and they ask him
• 29:03
  all of these insane questions. This is birtherism,
• 29:05
  again. And they, for whatever particular reason,
• 29:07
  feel that they can use this against Muslims.
• 29:10
  But if you bring any other group into this, all
• 29:12
  of a sudden, oh my God, you're being racist.
• 29:14
  This is a blood libel. I can't believe this is
• 29:15
  effectively taking place. He had a good answer
• 29:17
  for that, by the way. That's a good answer. It's,
• 29:20
  look, why are you asking me this? Well,
• 29:23
  because I've never heard you disavow the Muslim
• 29:26
  Brotherhood. Okay, but there's also ISIS. There's
• 29:29
  also Al-Qaeda. There's also et cetera. I didn't
• 29:31
  disavow any of them either. Why do I need to
• 29:33
  disavow all this stuff? And who else have you
• 29:35
  asked if they disavowed whatever the hell you
• 29:37
  need them to disavow? Good answer. But God, man,
• 29:41
  that is so effing racist. Well, where
• 29:44
  it came from, don't you? Laura Loomer is over
• 29:46
  on X. Don't take my word for it. Go there and
• 29:49
  check. If you want to ruin your breakfast, don't.
• 29:52
  Don't do this shit. After you eat, go to X, look
• 29:56
  at Laura Loomer's X feed. It's all about the
• 29:59
  Muslim Brotherhood because it sounds scary and
• 30:01
  how they are trying to work with the DSA, the
• 30:06
  Democratic Socialists, to get Islamic fascists,
• 30:10
  whatever the hell an Islamic fascist is, into
• 30:13
  government to turn the United States into a caliphate.
• 30:17
  El-Said is not even part of the DSA. Doesn't
• 30:20
  matter. Listen. This is all that they have. For
• 30:26
  example. That shit is aggravating, Robby. I've
• 30:28
  got to be honest with you. I'm having an argument
• 30:30
  with a guy, and the guy is, he's part of
• 30:31
  the Muslim Brotherhood. And you're just,
• 30:33
  no, he's not. Because from my point of view,
• 30:36
  it's, I haven't even looked into it. I don't
• 30:38
  believe you. Right? It's, I don't even believe
• 30:40
  you're a junk on this. It's one of those things
• 30:43
  , that is not true, and it cannot be true.
• 30:45
  And he's, it is. He just says straight up.
• 30:48
  Meaning, I'm not used to people just flat out
• 30:50
  lying. Even if he was, why would it matter? Democracy
• 30:56
  is the thing that matters. Why is being a member
• 30:59
  of the Muslim Brotherhood any worse than being
• 31:03
  a member of AIPAC or the NRA or any other group
• 31:07
  that its sole purpose is to promote the interests
• 31:13
  of the group that you identify with? That's the
• 31:15
  whole point. The Muslim Brotherhood is primarily
• 31:17
  just a major political force in Egypt, right?
• 31:20
  And there's nothing wrong with them. So if I
• 31:24
  was buds with an Egyptian dude and he was,
• 31:26
  I'm a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, it would
• 31:28
  not impact our friendship. I do want to, okay,
• 31:32
  I agree with everything you guys have just said.
• 31:34
  So this is what I'm about to say now is supplemental.
• 31:37
  What do you make, Jamarl, of, we've talked about
• 31:41
  this before, Saeed's tone. I feel like
• 31:45
  it's not a winner. What I'm going to
• 31:47
  say. To be condescending and snotty, right? It's
• 31:51
  one of the reasons I've never run for politics
• 31:53
  is I have a tendency to be condescending and
• 31:55
  snotty. And I know that would come out on the
• 31:57
  campaign trail. But I don't think I'd be as bad
• 32:00
  as Saeed, where he goes, where he's, have
• 32:04
  you heard of John F. Kennedy? Come on, dude.
• 32:06
  Maybe you should read history. No, think
• 32:10
  about how Bernie would have handled this,
• 32:13
  where there's similar exchanges where,
• 32:15
  he kind of, oh, you
• 32:17
  should, Medicare for all would mean
• 32:19
  this and you wouldn't be paying as
• 32:22
  much and it would probably be good for you and
• 32:23
  your family. In other words. It's sort
• 32:26
  of just he handles it with hostility. Look,
• 32:29
  Saeed has every right to be, this guy's
• 32:31
  a racist troll asshole and to hate him internally.
• 32:34
  But it's an opportunity. Politics is a performance.
• 32:37
  And in that space, he had that opportunity to
• 32:40
  be, come on, guy, you're just asking me
• 32:44
  that because of the color, because of the way
• 32:46
  I look and because of my funny last name, right?
• 32:49
  Donald J. Trump shows that Saeed, if anything,
• 32:53
  was too calm. He should have lit him up. If I
• 32:56
  was on that stage, and as someone who comes, Robby,
• 32:58
  do you avow white supremacy in the KKK? How do
• 33:04
  you think I would handle that? Well, I know how
• 33:06
  you'd handle it, but I don't think that would
• 33:08
  be the right way to handle it as your campaign manager, and
• 33:10
  I would insist on being your campaign manager
• 33:12
  and I would try to rein you in and I'd be talking
• 33:15
  to you for your butt, and I'd be, don't do
• 33:17
  it, Robby, don't do it. I get that, right? Here, but
• 33:20
  here's the thing though. Pull up, pull up, here's
• 33:22
  the thing though. People are so used to fake laundered
• 33:25
  responses. People are hungry for authenticity.
• 33:28
  Light that bastard up. You will get... Yeah,
• 33:32
  you might lose a couple of Karens, but you're
• 33:34
  going to get a lot of people over there
• 33:36
  with JT smiling. He's running? He's running.
• 33:38
  Yeah, keep going. Go for the throat. I agree
• 33:41
  with you. I agree with Robby. It's Michigan.
• 33:42
  I agree with Robby on this one. Michigan is
• 33:45
  adjacent to Minnesota Nice. It's Michigan. People
• 33:49
  there don't like that kind of shit. I think,
• 33:52
  honestly, if he wins, it's going to be a squeaker
• 33:54
  because of this person, this kind of macho
• 33:57
  kind of butch atmosphere vibe
• 34:00
  that Saeed projects. If he were a little
• 34:03
  calmer, people in Michigan who are not
• 34:06
  gonna, maybe on the fence about him, aren't gonna
• 34:08
  vote for him. It's because he's Muslim, right? Well,
• 34:12
  don't be a hothead, right? Don't be a Muslim and
• 34:15
  a. Don't be a Muslim and a be a Muslim and backhand
• 34:20
  that dude. I agree with Robby on this. I don't
• 34:25
  think he needs to be docile. I don't
• 34:28
  want him to be... I'm not really saying he should
• 34:31
  be docile. I think it's more he should be
• 34:34
  more a Toreador where he exhausts
• 34:37
  the bull, a bullfighter, basically
• 34:40
  yeah, matador, the bull for the bullfighter
• 34:43
  exhausts the bull, right, by just having him
• 34:46
  provoking him, having him run by and finally
• 34:49
  he just walks up to him and stabs him and he's
• 34:51
  dinner that night, and that's what
• 34:54
  he should have done. He should have been
• 34:55
  look, I could have played with that guy
• 34:59
  so well. He had a good answer
• 35:03
  but I just think that he's. He comes off
• 35:07
  as an asshole. I'm sorry. He comes off as a douche.
• 35:12
  The first time he came across with a guy, I agree
• 35:14
  with you, that he came across as a douche. On
• 35:16
  this one, the guy was asking for it. The guy
• 35:22
  deserved to be slapped in the face. That's not
• 35:25
  what I'm getting at. Do you know what the Constitution
• 35:27
  is? Yeah. Really? That's so bad. What am I to
• 35:33
  do with that, right? I know you're coming
• 35:36
  at me because I'm a Muslim. You're alienating
• 35:40
  me. You're alienating me once again because I'm
• 35:43
  a Muslim. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody said
• 35:44
  that guy didn't do that, right? I guess the question
• 35:48
  is, what's the right response to it? I don't
• 35:50
  think he was, I don't think he was too much of,
• 35:54
  too, I agree with his response. I don't
• 35:58
  think he was being too much of a dick. I think
• 36:00
  his thing was kind of, why are you asking
• 36:02
  me that question? All right, we've litigated.
• 36:04
  Which is a fair question. It reminded me a little
• 36:06
  bit of Biden when he was confronted and he lost
• 36:09
  it and he called the voter a pony-faced dog
• 36:13
  soldier or some shit. Dog-faced pony soldier.
• 36:17
  Whatever the fuck that meant. Joe Biden gets
• 36:20
  away with that. Trump gets away with it. Well,
• 36:21
  it looked weird, though. Okay, well, let's talk
• 36:24
  about it through a different lens. You mentioned
• 36:27
  him being a Muslim in Michigan. It puts people
• 36:30
  off on some level, and so he should be more docile.
• 36:33
  They used to say the same thing to Obama, right?
• 36:35
  Where Obama was, look, you don't want to
• 36:39
  be the angry black man. You want to be so forth.
• 36:41
  The reality of it is, I don't think that's true.
• 36:43
  I look at Trump and I think to myself, the political
• 36:46
  space widens to accommodate the thing that's
• 36:49
  in the political space. Yeah, but Trump's an
• 36:52
  old white Protestant? Yeah, but him
• 36:57
  being this angry black man thing, that trope
• 37:02
  needs to go. White people get very angry. Sure,
• 37:05
  I couldn't agree more. I think it's ridiculous,
• 37:08
  but. I guess what I'm saying, I also
• 37:10
  am Muslim, and I get the Muslim thing is an
• 37:13
  issue, but Michigan has a huge Muslim population.
• 37:15
  It may not be the totality, but there's a large
• 37:17
  Muslim population. He should be the representation
• 37:19
  of who he is. I don't want him to be fake.
• 37:23
  If that's who he is, I want him to be that person.
• 37:25
  And the reality of, look, it's a wave election.
• 37:28
  If he's going to get in, this is his chance.
• 37:31
  If he loses this election, he never had a chance.
• 37:35
  True, true. If he wants to be pissed off at that
• 37:38
  person for being a dick to him, I would imagine
• 37:40
  there are a lot of people who look at that and
• 37:41
  say, good on you for being a dick to that guy.
• 37:44
  You never, I never killed a guy that
• 37:46
  didn't deserve it. That guy deserves it. There
• 37:49
  will be other people that won't. Let's do some
• 37:51
  comments here. I don't fully disagree with you,
• 37:55
  depending on the context. So in this context,
• 37:57
  I think you're fine. Black Spock. My apologies
• 38:00
  to Peter. That lady was indeed a heifer. $5.
• 38:03
  Thank you very much for that. Frazzle says, please
• 38:08
  tell Jamarl a great interview with Sarah Bills.
• 38:11
  Thank you. By the way, we'll have a great interview
• 38:13
  tomorrow with Thaddeus Russell. Oh, he's back.
• 38:16
  He's going to be back. Oh, right. That's just
• 38:18
  that. No, no, no. We're going to air that tomorrow.
• 38:21
  That was, yeah. So that's, yeah, that's a pretext.
• 38:25
  He's going to be back, by the way. Oh, yeah.
• 38:27
  No, he was fantastic. Let's see. Mr. A. Lee says,
• 38:35
  don't go to Cambodia. If any of you Americans
• 38:36
  are thinking of going, the Chinese government
• 38:38
  sentenced the scam center leaders to death. And
• 38:42
  there is a power struggle. Very dangerous. I
• 38:45
  like Cambodia. I went, I think it was two years
• 38:49
  ago. Blake goes, wean me for Wednesday, Ted.
• 38:52
  You're getting $5 closer. Ever closer. My covert
• 38:58
  narcissist mom called me a liar when I told her
• 39:01
  about the bullying swats I got from school and
• 39:04
  attempted suicide. She blamed me for her lying
• 39:07
  about my Asperger's ruined my life. It's a really
• 39:11
  common dynamic. That's so fucked up though. It's
• 39:15
  so fucked up. It's your allegiances and
• 39:18
  your responsibilities are mixed for some reason.
• 39:22
  Your kids should always come first. I
• 39:25
  liked what Pamela Anderson talked about her divorce
• 39:30
  and she said that ultimately that she had to
• 39:34
  choose between her husband who she really loved
• 39:36
  and her kids and she chose the kids. Yeah, I
• 39:40
  get that. That's what happened and that's
• 39:44
  what happened in my marriage. I had to choose
• 39:46
  the kid. Yeah. Faraj Jamarl congratulations
• 39:51
  on 80,000. Keep it up. Thanks for the dono. Efiso
• 39:57
  said, did you know the Israelis make you remove
• 39:59
  your cross before the wall? Humiliation ritual.
• 40:02
  Isn't that denying Christ for Zionism? Christians
• 40:05
  can be such frauds. Thanks for the dollar. Let's
• 40:10
  see. And Efiso also says he needs to hire the
• 40:14
  angry Obama translator. One dollar. That's hilarious.
• 40:19
  That is very, yeah. That's very great. All
• 40:22
  right, we have a lot to talk about here. We haven't
• 40:24
  even, we, I guess we did. We did. We knocked down
• 40:26
  the Ramaswamy thing, but we got to talk about
• 40:29
  France. We got to talk about Mississippi. We got
• 40:32
  to talk about Russia and Ukraine. Let me reply
• 40:34
  to this comment real quick from only time will
• 40:37
  tell. Robby, do you fly a swastika in your
• 40:40
  lounge room? Yes or no. I do. You're hanging from
• 40:47
  the wall, right? That's different. What
• 40:50
  I did is I have the stainless banners. So for
• 40:53
  those of you who do not know your history, the
• 40:55
  stainless banners is the Confederate battle flag,
• 40:58
  the top left corner, the American flag on
• 41:01
  a white field. And my swastika is right there
• 41:04
  in the middle of it because I want to be as offensive
• 41:06
  as I possibly can. That's so wrong. That's so
• 41:10
  wrong. Let's talk about France. Okay, let's talk.
• 41:15
  Vive la France. Vive la France. While Macron
• 41:20
  is out of the country as his own country
• 41:24
  burns down, you can imagine that adds a certain
• 41:27
  amount of context to why France is in the situation
• 41:31
  that it is. These guys were in Norway, Oslo,
• 41:35
  Norway, the other day, making deals and agreements
• 41:37
  with the idea, supposedly, quote
• 41:41
  unquote, to end the war. And none of these things
• 41:43
  are mixed, but I'm mixing them for a reason.
• 41:45
  Just before that, though, you had Zelensky working
• 41:48
  with the Europeans to try to get tens, if not
• 41:51
  hundreds of billions of dollars. They'll have
• 41:53
  a $90 billion budget shortfall. And they're
• 41:56
  talking about $100 billion in the next year,
• 41:59
  or for that matter, going forward for Ukraine.
• 42:01
  And they're saying all of this while Europe burns
• 42:05
  to the ground. Have you seen Albania? Have you
• 42:07
  seen France? These places are just getting
• 42:09
  wowed. And I guess my question to you is. How
• 42:14
  do you contextualize it, being French? When
• 42:16
  you're looking at this, what's, I'm curious on
• 42:20
  your point of view of this. I've had somebody
• 42:22
  give an economic breakdown of it, but I'm curious
• 42:24
  just as having a citizenship, what's your thoughts?
• 42:27
  Well, one of the big, I
• 42:30
  always think that the way I define the difference
• 42:32
  between the left and the right is that the right
• 42:35
  believes that the citizens are meant primarily
• 42:38
  to serve the glory of the state. And the left
• 42:42
  believes that the state exists to provide goods
• 42:46
  and services, not goods and services, but privileges
• 42:48
  and rights to individuals. And that's what the
• 42:51
  left strives for, the things that the state is
• 42:54
  there to protect that. In that sense, France,
• 42:58
  which basically is the first modern Western democracy,
• 43:03
  is the ultimate left country because it's kind
• 43:08
  of where these ideas were invented that
• 43:10
  to be a citizen you have certain inalienable
• 43:13
  rights and that idea in American culture comes
• 43:16
  out of France, and so for the French when they
• 43:20
  get the vegas of their rights or privileges being
• 43:24
  taken away they know that it's not going to end
• 43:27
  and they have, they know that they can't tolerate
• 43:30
  it and they have to put an end to it before it
• 43:32
  goes too far. They're not going to tolerate too
• 43:34
  much austerity, and so you obviously
• 43:37
  anybody who's followed French politics has followed
• 43:40
  has seen this happen before. It's
• 43:43
  whenever, I used to always joke
• 43:46
  if the bus fare goes up by one centime, cities
• 43:49
  burn. When you visit France,
• 43:52
  you have to kind of just as a tourist, you have
• 43:54
  to allow, oh, there's probably a strike.
• 43:57
  One time I went to Angoulême, which is the big,
• 43:59
  it's the biggest comics festival in the world.
• 44:03
  The entire city gets taken over for a comics
• 44:06
  festival. And so I was with my mom. We're on
• 44:11
  the TGV, the high speed rail from Paris to Angoulême.
• 44:16
  And suddenly. The train comes to a stop in the
• 44:20
  middle of some marshy fields in the middle
• 44:23
  of nowhere. We don't know what's going on. The
• 44:25
  lights are still on. And then finally, this guy
• 44:28
  comes through an hour later with a suit
• 44:32
  and tie, not a train conductor in his uniform.
• 44:35
  And he's, the train system's on strike.
• 44:41
  And I'm, what happened? And he's, yeah.
• 44:44
  The guys just, they got the call that they were
• 44:47
  going on strike, so they just stopped the train
• 44:50
  in the middle of nowhere. Their buds come and
• 44:52
  pick them up in their car, and we're the management,
• 44:55
  so we have to kind of figure out how we're
• 44:57
  going to get the train started up again and get
• 44:59
  you guys to your destination, and it was
• 45:01
  okay. So here's the kicker: what was the cause
• 45:03
  of the strike? One of their union members had
• 45:07
  been accused of raping a customer in southern
• 45:10
  France. Now I was, do you think he did it
• 45:13
  and it's, it doesn't really matter. One of
• 45:17
  our guys has been charged with something. We're
• 45:19
  on strike. That's the French way. That's
• 45:26
  an example of kind of how silly it can be, right?
• 45:28
  Really, you can go on strike
• 45:30
  after you delivered the train to its station.
• 45:32
  You couldn't really. No, it's always
• 45:35
  it's called en grève, right? On strike, en grève, right?
• 45:39
  And so it could happen at any
• 45:41
  moment. You could be, and when the cops were
• 45:43
  oh, and in that incident, when the train went
• 45:46
  on strike the teachers and the cops and the
• 45:49
  and the firefighters all went on strike. Everybody
• 45:51
  wanted to strike just because, right? So this is
• 45:56
  the standard thing, and that was a minor. The thing
• 45:58
  I'm talking about didn't even make international
• 46:00
  news. It was nothing. So this is just a bigger
• 46:04
  version of something that's always around in
• 46:06
  French culture. I don't lose a lot of sleep over
• 46:08
  it. I think French people, Americans
• 46:10
  are shocked. And I think, look, this is more
• 46:13
  serious than usual, obviously. But it's still
• 46:16
  kind of it's on a continuum. And
• 46:20
  it's kind of people, oh, I wouldn't visit
• 46:22
  France right now. I would. I don't care.
• 46:24
  Whatever. It's normal. In fact, I'd be more likely
• 46:26
  to go there. I'm very curious from their own
• 46:35
  mouth about why they're there. Because there's
• 46:38
  one thing for the media. The media always paints
• 46:40
  it a particular way. Oh, the Islamists. This
• 46:43
  has almost nothing to do with any Islamic anything.
• 46:47
  No, I don't believe it does. This is about austerity
• 46:50
  is what it's about. There is a thing of them
• 46:54
  knocking down a building. Have you seen this
• 46:56
  clip of the building burning to the ground? It's
• 46:59
  a church or something. The city hall. It's
• 47:01
  the city hall. Because it's French. Yeah, city
• 47:04
  halls look great there. The city hall is called
• 47:07
  the Hôtel de Ville. Yeah, and the fucker burns
• 47:12
  down. And it's, Americans
• 47:16
  look at that and they go, oh my God, that's awful.
• 47:18
  But a lot of French people, not all French people,
• 47:20
  conservatives don't, but a lot of lefties look
• 47:22
  at it and they're, Yeah, that's great. Bring
• 47:25
  on the revolution. Yeah, this is who we
• 47:29
  are, right? It's in our blood. It's Japanese,
• 47:34
  Germans be organized, Americans be invading,
• 47:38
  Brits be colonial-y, and the French like to
• 47:41
  burn shit down. They are doing God's work. And
• 47:46
  this is not, just to be very clear, for the YouTube
• 47:48
  gods, or for the Rumble gods, this is not me
• 47:52
  thinking that this is great. It's me thinking
• 47:55
  it's necessary. And there's a difference in those
• 47:57
  things. And there's a big difference in those
• 47:58
  things. Well, consider the alternative, right?
• 48:02
  What is the alternative? We have the alternative
• 48:04
  right here in the United States. In the United
• 48:07
  States, there are no protests. City halls don't
• 48:10
  burn. Nothing happens, right? We have
• 48:13
  well-ordered, the society is well-
• 48:15
  ordered to the extent that a massive opioid
• 48:18
  epidemic is well ordered to the extent that
• 48:21
  massive numbers of people in prison is well
• 48:23
  ordered to the extent that trying to execute
• 48:26
  ladies and not being able to get away to figure
• 48:28
  it out is well ordered but it's
• 48:31
  we don't, it's not France and you have
• 48:34
  the right saying they're using France on
• 48:37
  on social media to say look at these images if
• 48:39
  you vote democratic that will come here. It's
• 48:42
  no because Democrats have been in charge
• 48:45
  and it didn't happen but it's What's the
• 48:49
  difference? It doesn't happen here. And so nothing
• 48:52
  ever changes. Nothing ever gets better. Here's
• 48:56
  my question to you, Ted. It does change. It goes
• 48:59
  in a very specific direction. It just gets worse.
• 49:02
  What are trillion dollars in debt? And
• 49:04
  you think to yourself, what did you get for the
• 49:07
  money? And I like to put this in the context
• 49:10
  of the war because I put it in the context of
• 49:11
  the war to make the point of saying you've given
• 49:13
  hundreds of billions of dollars to this Ukraine
• 49:15
  project. If not trillions you've given trillions,
• 49:18
  tens of trades to the Middle East project that
• 49:21
  got rolled up in six months. You spent decades
• 49:26
  on this. Meanwhile Americans are eating out of
• 49:29
  garbage cans. Yes and you lose and you lose. Meaning
• 49:34
  you get rolled up by a third-rate military and
• 49:37
  I don't mean a second-rate military. I should
• 49:39
  say look you're sending a well a front
• 49:43
  strongly worded email to the White
• 49:45
  House was going to change things. That'd
• 49:48
  be amazing. We just don't live in that world.
• 49:50
  It doesn't work. But here's my question, Ted.
• 49:52
  You're a French citizen, so I can't think of
• 49:55
  a better person to ask. When the French get tired
• 49:58
  of cannibalizing their own country, will the
• 50:01
  policies actually change? Will the French government
• 50:04
  actually address these issues? If they're not,
• 50:08
  all they're doing is burning their stuff down.
• 50:10
  All they're doing is crapping in their yard.
• 50:12
  Look, there's no telling how far this goes. But
• 50:15
  yes, the French government is going to have to
• 50:17
  address these issues, whether it's to the satisfaction
• 50:20
  of everyone involved, because of this story that
• 50:24
  we're talking about, right? The doom loop. I
• 50:26
  the doom loop is a big thing, right? The
• 50:29
  bond markets are complaining. They're, okay,
• 50:33
  France is already in massive debt. We don't really,
• 50:37
  if you're going to... keep up the way
• 50:39
  you're going and especially if you spend more
• 50:41
  money to address to fix up the schools and pay
• 50:44
  the teachers better and do all these things that
• 50:47
  the protesters want then you're
• 50:51
  going to have to pay us higher yields and it's
• 50:53
  going to cost you even more and then you're going
• 50:55
  to have to cut budget even more so that that's
• 50:58
  what the so-called doom loop is. Supposedly they
• 51:01
  have the highest yields in Europe already, even
• 51:06
  more than Italy. And I'm super curious on this
• 51:09
  other thing. You're right about the doom loop.
• 51:11
  They don't control their own currency. They have
• 51:13
  euros. So it's not they can just print money.
• 51:17
  That's the difference. The United States has
• 51:19
  reserve currency, and it's got AI-driven growth,
• 51:24
  and we're a much bigger economy. We're a sovereign
• 51:27
  country. Also, we can print our own money. They
• 51:29
  can't. Yeah. No, they should never have joined
• 51:32
  the euro. That would be a way out, by
• 51:34
  the way. They could do Frexit. And that would
• 51:37
  be a way out. But you haven't answered my question,
• 51:41
  though. Yeah. I think they will have to.
• 51:47
  If history is a guide, recent and long,
• 51:51
  generically speaking, when the people of France
• 51:54
  rise up and burn shit down, the government usually
• 51:57
  caves and makes concessions. But can they make
• 52:01
  the concessions? JT said, they don't
• 52:03
  control their economy. Can they do it? Do you
• 52:06
  think that the French government is going to
• 52:08
  cut Zelensky loose? Do you think the French government
• 52:10
  is going to end the welfare payments to Israel?
• 52:12
  I actually think they will because I think Marine
• 52:14
  Le Pen will be the president next year and she
• 52:17
  will cut Ukraine loose. Will Brussels? Oh, wait,
• 52:20
  wait, wait. Brussels will let her. Well, there
• 52:24
  are two parts to that. One, when they do to France
• 52:27
  like they did to Greece, where they were basically
• 52:29
  cut off the credit if they needed to cut off
• 52:31
  the credit. Meaning the way they treated Greece,
• 52:33
  they've given France grace. The first time around
• 52:36
  during the Yellow Vest protests, I remember we
• 52:38
  were covering this, France gets grace from Brussels
• 52:43
  in order to run a higher budget deficit because
• 52:46
  France had to make concessions to the Yellow
• 52:48
  Vest movement to get them to chill out. Now,
• 52:51
  the catch becomes, are they going to keep doing
• 52:53
  that? The budget's already through the roof.
• 52:56
  And Le Pen, I don't... You're that confident?
• 53:01
  Well, look, I would love Mélenchon to
• 53:04
  win, and I will vote for him. No, you're
• 53:07
  that confident that Le Pen, if she won, would
• 53:09
  do something completely different. I have another
• 53:12
  French guest that will be on tomorrow that will
• 53:14
  say the opposite. He doesn't think that she's
• 53:17
  going to do anything. But give me a take on that.
• 53:20
  No, no, no. She'll do it because it's
• 53:23
  her politics and because it makes sense. So it
• 53:28
  gets France out of this doom loop. It does. And
• 53:33
  if she makes nice with, maybe it's
• 53:36
  Nord Stream 3, but this one goes to France. Yeah,
• 53:39
  but Brexit didn't do all that well for Britain.
• 53:41
  Britain was far worse off after Brexit than it
• 53:44
  ever was associated with the European Union.
• 53:46
  And Britain had a free deal. Britain didn't even
• 53:49
  have to give up their currency. They were
• 53:52
  – Right. No, they should never – but
• 53:55
  the reason that Brexit didn't go well for them
• 53:58
  is they didn't negotiate alternate trading arrangements,
• 54:01
  which they could have. The rest of Europe
• 54:04
  was willing to do that with them, but they were
• 54:07
  just they didn't do it. They would have
• 54:09
  never gotten a better deal. Boris Johnson was
• 54:10
  a maniac. Well, Boris Johnson was a maniac, but
• 54:13
  they were never going to get a better deal. The
• 54:15
  European Union working as a collective as opposed
• 54:17
  to working as individual states, they were always
• 54:19
  going to get a better deal. In that sense, any
• 54:21
  individual deal that they would have had to do
• 54:24
  would have been worse just because Britain was
• 54:25
  as much smaller country has barely any economy.
• 54:28
  And so it's, how does this little island
• 54:30
  push for better deal? The United States wanted
• 54:34
  to fully take advantage of Britain. And many
• 54:37
  of those countries, I would imagine, especially
• 54:38
  the bigger ones, would have just taken advantage
• 54:40
  of little island Britain. How is France going
• 54:44
  to be different? Well, I think the difference
• 54:47
  is that France is. I think it's the beginning
• 54:50
  of the end for the European project, to be honest.
• 54:52
  If France is gone, then Germans are going to
• 54:56
  look at it. The AFD comes to power in more states,
• 54:58
  and they follow suit. And you end up with a,
• 55:01
  come on. If it's Frexit and, I don't
• 55:04
  know, Grexit, it's over. EU is game over, man.
• 55:09
  Game over. As you point out, France and Germany
• 55:11
  put the most into the coffers anyway. Exactly.
• 55:14
  They're paying for the whole thing. If Frexit
• 55:19
  happens, the European Union is a wounded animal.
• 55:22
  Very. And it will be preyed upon as individual
• 55:25
  states. True. Yeah, that is true. Wounded animals
• 55:32
  are dangerous. I'm aware of that. I guess my
• 55:35
  question, the catch becomes, you're right about
• 55:38
  the doom loop thing. They don't control their
• 55:40
  currency, so they can't print money. And yet
• 55:42
  they're spending money like drunken sailors.
• 55:45
  And now they're going to have to spend money.
• 55:46
  And not on the right shit. Yeah. On military
• 55:51
  spending that they don't need because somehow
• 55:53
  they don't own a map and they can't see that
• 55:56
  Russia is not likely to invade them. Right. And
• 56:00
  imagine you being a student, your schools are
• 56:02
  falling down and you're, you're giving tens
• 56:05
  of billions of euros to this project that has
• 56:08
  nothing to do with me. Right. It does nothing
• 56:12
  to do... Let me put it this way. Let's
• 56:14
  just say for the sake of argument that... the
• 56:16
  French have a great reason to care about Ukraine
• 56:19
  which they do not. Even so in the hierarchy
• 56:24
  of needs sorry Ukraine shouldn't be first.
• 56:28
  Great. Yeah and they seem to know that
• 56:33
  as kids. I look at that and I think to myself
• 56:36
  god man they're so right. Adults and old people
• 56:39
  look at those kids and they think I can't believe
• 56:41
  they're causing a ruckus. You've ruined their
• 56:43
  lives. Those kids have nothing. Meaning you've
• 56:47
  decided to squander and spend the national wealth
• 56:51
  on bullshit. They're looking at homes. They're
• 56:56
  looking at jobs. They're looking at their future.
• 56:58
  And they're, we have squat. And it's your
• 57:00
  fault. And they would be right. They're totally
• 57:03
  right. 100% right. Their anger and their rage
• 57:06
  is justifiable in this case. It is 100% correct.
• 57:11
  By the way, I don't know if you saw the picture.
• 57:13
  I think Fox News was playing it. I think they
• 57:15
  were trying to say, look how French these guys
• 57:16
  are. They were sitting at a restaurant, at a
• 57:19
  cafe, drinking a coffee, smoking. Drinking wine.
• 57:23
  Yeah. I didn't see that. It was great. I was,
• 57:27
  oh, that's so French. Oh, my God. That's
• 57:29
  , yeah, yeah. It reminded me a little bit.
• 57:32
  This was not in France, but it reminds a little
• 57:34
  me about I was in Pakistan during the Kargil
• 57:37
  conflict in 1999, also known as the Third Kashmir
• 57:40
  War. And I'm at a cafe in the northern areas
• 57:45
  and eating with my friend. And suddenly a building
• 57:50
  blows up down the street, right, hit by
• 57:52
  the Indians that fired a missile over the line
• 57:55
  of control. And our waiter runs out and he's
• 57:58
  screams, Indian motherfuckers we will
• 58:02
  kill you all you bastards. Eat my, suck my cock.
• 58:07
  And then he's comes over and he's, oh
• 58:10
  do you want something to drink? You want to cook
• 58:12
  it? Just gets right back to it. Oh that's great.
• 58:19
  It's so great when people act like that. Yeah.
• 58:23
  That is fantastic. That is great. Oh, that's awesome.
• 58:27
  That's hilarious. When I went to Egypt,
• 58:30
  I remember, speaking of the Muslim Brotherhood,
• 58:33
  my wife and I at the time, we go into the place,
• 58:36
  and my wife asked him a question about whether
• 58:40
  it's okay. She asked him something, and I think
• 58:44
  he misunderstood the question. He thought she
• 58:46
  was saying something, is it safe for me
• 58:48
  to be without a hijab or something like that?
• 58:51
  And he says, No, Marcy, no, Marcy, the Muslim
• 58:55
  Brotherhood is out. We killed him. We're going
• 58:56
  to kill him. We're going to kill him. And we're,
• 58:58
  whoa. That's pretty heavy, right? But it's
• 59:01
  the way they say stuff. Yeah. Sometimes it's
• 59:04
  the way they say stuff. She's, no, you're
• 59:06
  going to kill him. We're going to kill him. He's
• 59:08
  in jail. Yeah, it's always like that. Yeah,
• 59:12
  one of my books is titled like that. I had a
• 59:14
  conversation over dinner with this Taliban guy.
• 59:17
  Fascinating dude. He worked for the Northern
• 59:19
  Alliance government before doing irrigation
• 59:25
  and urban planning. And then at night, he would
• 59:28
  go out with his friends in the Taliban and blow
• 59:30
  shit up. And he saw no conflict at all here.
• 59:34
  And so we were talking about tourism and stuff
• 59:38
  like that. And he's, look, here's how it
• 59:41
  is. Nowadays, we see Americans, we're going to
• 59:45
  kill you. You're invaders, we hate you. But we're
• 59:49
  going to take our country back. And after that,
• 59:51
  you will be able to come back. And it's just
• 59:54
  Vietnam. You're able to go to Vietnam now
• 59:57
  and you're treated well and there's tourism and
• 59:59
  you go to the beach and you're treated fine.
• 1:00:02
  And he's, first, and so he said, after we
• 1:00:05
  kill you, we will welcome you back as honored
• 1:00:07
  guests. And that was the title of the movie.
• 1:00:11
  It's a matter of fact. Yeah. It's a matter of
• 1:00:14
  fact. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. And the dude turned
• 1:00:18
  out to be right. Americans can totally
• 1:00:20
  visit Afghanistan now. It's totally safe. It's
• 1:00:23
  safer now than it's ever been, for sure. Did
• 1:00:25
  you see the commercials for the tourism for Afghanistan?
• 1:00:27
  It was a... Oh my God, I did. That is hilarious.
• 1:00:32
  It's so hilarious. The guy, they were pretending
• 1:00:35
  as a hostage and they were taking photos. Yeah,
• 1:00:38
  yeah, yeah. Oh, Robby, can you find that? Oh
• 1:00:41
  my God. Can you find that video and put that
• 1:00:43
  up? Yeah, it was... Don't tell me Afghans
• 1:00:47
  aren't funny as because they are. Yeah man. God
• 1:00:49
  man that thing was funny. Yeah it was the
• 1:00:52
  Afghan tourism ad with the hostage. Yeah. Let's
• 1:00:56
  see. Okay, hostage by the Taliban. It's, oh
• 1:00:59
  yeah that's okay. Henry says, forget taxing the
• 1:01:02
  rich. Appropriate their yachts, mansions, jets, cars
• 1:01:05
  and islands. Yeah as long as we're not spending
• 1:01:06
  that money for Ukraine. Ryan says, I would
• 1:01:10
  actually vote Democrat if I actually believed
• 1:01:13
  it would get Americans to strike and fight like
• 1:01:15
  the French. I would have voted for Obama if he
• 1:01:17
  was really a socialist Muslim. Voting and street
• 1:01:21
  action are not the same thing, and I think Americans
• 1:01:24
  really need to understand that. You can't vote
• 1:01:26
  yourself out of a situation like this. Democrats
• 1:01:29
  are going to win in a couple of weeks, and it's
• 1:01:32
  not going to make any fucking difference in a
• 1:01:34
  material way to anybody's life. Which is sad.
• 1:01:40
  Which is sad. Voting should have consequences.
• 1:01:42
  And not consequences in a negative sense. Doesn't
• 1:01:46
  Le Pen like their version of Trump or W.H.T.?
• 1:01:51
  I'm, not really. She's definitely
• 1:01:54
  on the right, although not. First of
• 1:01:57
  all, I listened to her statement about the riots
• 1:02:01
  and, setting the politics aside. She's
• 1:02:06
  so intelligent. And she's, she basically
• 1:02:09
  spent about 60 percent of the video complaining,
• 1:02:12
  saying that we need to have law and
• 1:02:14
  order, that there's no excuse for burning
• 1:02:17
  things down, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then
• 1:02:19
  she said, look, there are legitimate
• 1:02:21
  grievances here and they need to be addressed
• 1:02:24
  in a calm, reasonable way. That's not
• 1:02:27
  the kind of thing Trump would have said.
• 1:02:29
  There was nuance. And she had beautiful
• 1:02:32
  and she speaks beautifully. Mélenchon, I've seen
• 1:02:36
  his response. So I was watching in France, a
• 1:02:39
  parliamentary meeting, and I don't know who was
• 1:02:43
  yelling at the guy. It was a communist that was
• 1:02:44
  making an argument. And he angrily says, we have
• 1:02:51
  blood on our hands because we were fighting the
• 1:02:52
  Nazis. You all were collaborators. And I was,
• 1:02:56
  whoa, that's strong. That's strong, right?
• 1:03:00
  In Mélenchon's case, where does... he on this
• 1:03:03
  where's he falling on us because
• 1:03:06
  they're trying to blame the left. They're saying
• 1:03:07
  this is a left-wing issue. This is the left that's
• 1:03:10
  burning down France. The internal politics of
• 1:03:13
  it from the standpoint of Mélenchon and the Unbowed
• 1:03:15
  party, where are they on this? Oh well they're
• 1:03:18
  on team protest for sure and they have been.
• 1:03:21
  Certainly it's a fair statement to say
• 1:03:24
  that they're not re that they're they definitely
• 1:03:27
  have been approving of it. They've made some sort
• 1:03:30
  of, well, the kids are getting a little
• 1:03:33
  spicy. It's not OK to burn down stores.
• 1:03:38
  You can't stop that. But it's not. Come
• 1:03:41
  on. We know where their heart stands.
• 1:03:43
  The France Insoumise is a militant far by
• 1:03:47
  American standards, a far left communist party.
• 1:03:50
  So it's going to be so they have to,
• 1:03:54
  they have to thread this needle. Right. It's
• 1:03:56
  kind of. This thing is definitely all for
• 1:03:59
  them, but they can't be perceived by swing voters
• 1:04:03
  as being, revolutionaries who
• 1:04:07
  are looking to burn the whole country down just
• 1:04:09
  for the sake of doing that. But, but
• 1:04:12
  privately, they're, they're,
• 1:04:14
  yeah, go team. I'm looking for the ads. I don't
• 1:04:18
  read Arabic, so it's taking a little bit of time.
• 1:04:20
  As soon as I find it, though, I'll let you know.
• 1:04:22
  Okay. Thank you, Robby. From the standpoint
• 1:04:24
  of Mélenchon, would Mélenchon pull out of the
• 1:04:26
  European Union if he could and did he have the
• 1:04:28
  power to do it? Well that would have to be.
• 1:04:33
  I think under French law they would have to leave
• 1:04:35
  the way that they came in by plebiscite referendum.
• 1:04:37
  Okay. Yeah. With the public leave. That's a good
• 1:04:43
  question. I think it depends on how it's. When
• 1:04:46
  Brexit happened the first time around that was
• 1:04:48
  just propaganda with Brexit, right? Yeah true but
• 1:04:52
  the guy made the point of saying, yeah we're
• 1:04:54
  not, we would never offer him something like that.
• 1:04:56
  That's the guy was basically talking for France.
• 1:04:58
  He was, we would never offer our population
• 1:05:00
  a referendum on this. He was seeing Britain and
• 1:05:03
  he said what's taking place in Britain is chaos.
• 1:05:05
  Found it. Y'all ready? We're ready. Oh this is
• 1:05:09
  it. Yeah. Message to America. We have one message
• 1:05:19
  from America. Welcome to Afghanistan. That is wow.
• 1:05:46
  Property abuse government. They do have some good
• 1:05:59
  melons do they? Yeah maybe that's the trip. Oh
• 1:06:06
  Afghanistan's awesome. I'd go back in a second
• 1:06:10
  with you. I don't want to do the hostage video
• 1:06:12
  thing. That's too cool. No you don't need to. No
• 1:06:14
  the truth is no it's a wonderful country.
• 1:06:18
  The people are fantastic and funny as. No question
• 1:06:22
  about it. Such a great sense of humor.
• 1:06:27
  But they're, what's so interesting is they're not. There's
• 1:06:32
  no SSRIs in their water supply. Those people
• 1:06:36
  when you look in their eyes they're wild.
• 1:06:39
  They're not us. What I mean.
• 1:06:42
  It's they're untamed. It's kind of amazing.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah they're great. You call them feral. They're
• 1:06:52
  feral but I mean that as a compliment.
• 1:06:56
  Frazmataz, question for Ted, if you could speculate
• 1:06:59
  on who killed Shah Massoud and why. So Ahmed
• 1:07:02
  Shah Massoud was the head of the Northern Alliance.
• 1:07:04
  He was a general warlord and he was killed on
• 1:07:08
  9-10-2001, right? The day before 9-11. Basically,
• 1:07:13
  it was guys who posed as an Italian camera crew
• 1:07:19
  saying, oh, we're coming to interview you. And
• 1:07:23
  there was a bomb in the camera. And it blew him
• 1:07:25
  up. I think if memory serves, this happened in
• 1:07:29
  northeastern Afghanistan in the Wakhan Corridor.
• 1:07:33
  And this was basically the conventional
• 1:07:37
  wisdom was this was Osama bin Laden's gift to
• 1:07:41
  the Northern Alliance on his sorry to the Taliban
• 1:07:44
  as a thank you for hosting me. I'm going
• 1:07:48
  to get rid of your worst enemy. That's who
• 1:07:53
  they say did it. It never really made a lot of
• 1:07:55
  sense to me because it's kind of,
• 1:07:57
  he was hosted by the Taliban several years earlier
• 1:08:01
  and he could have done that for them earlier.
• 1:08:04
  And so why wait until the day before 9-11?
• 1:08:09
  I'm not at all sure it was him. To be honest,
• 1:08:12
  if I had to guess, I think it's probably the
• 1:08:14
  agents working for the Uzbek warlord Rashid Dostum,
• 1:08:18
  who was the reason was a crazy psychotic who
• 1:08:24
  was the reason that Kabul looked the way that
• 1:08:27
  it did. He personally leveled Kabul during
• 1:08:30
  the Afghan civil war in the 1990s but pure speculation
• 1:08:34
  and General Dostum I know we've met and if
• 1:08:38
  you're watching if it wasn't you my bad. I'm just
• 1:08:41
  guessing. It may not have been you but I think
• 1:08:43
  it was you. Yeah interesting interesting because
• 1:08:50
  there were so many rival warlords
• 1:08:53
  trying to kneecap each other. Yeah yeah.
• 1:08:56
  Austin wanted to be the boss of the Northern
• 1:08:58
  Alliance and I think he had the ability
• 1:09:02
  to do it. He had the geographic proximity to do
• 1:09:05
  it. He had the know-how and he
• 1:09:08
  had the motivation more so than bin
• 1:09:12
  Laden did. That's interesting but who
• 1:09:19
  knows. All right so what should we talk about?
• 1:09:23
  Mississippi, Russia. Yeah let's do Russia. I
• 1:09:28
  Steve Witkoff has been in Saint Petersburg
• 1:09:29
  so we have to hit that. Okay. Did you see the
• 1:09:33
  there's a great clip that I was talking
• 1:09:37
  to Sarah about that Witkoff and there's going
• 1:09:40
  to be oceans of ink written about it so we might
• 1:09:43
  as well talk about it now. This is in fact I'll
• 1:09:46
  give Robby this clip. I don't know if you saw
• 1:09:50
  any of the commentary that's been coming out
• 1:09:54
  between those two, or between Witkoff being there.
• 1:09:58
  This was one of the opening conversations. He
• 1:10:04
  tells Putin, he says, and I'm going to read this
• 1:10:08
  out, he says, you talk so much about my president,
• 1:10:10
  President Trump, and Robby, it's in the bottom,
• 1:10:13
  if you can drop it in for us. In fact, it's no
• 1:10:16
  point in me saying. I'll just let Robby put
• 1:10:18
  it in. I just dropped it in. Long so short there
• 1:10:24
  it is. Witkoff goes to meet
• 1:10:29
  Zelensky and some other European leaders meaning
• 1:10:33
  all of them have a contention in this meeting
• 1:10:36
  in Oslo Norway. Beautiful country, beautiful location.
• 1:10:38
  They come out. Zelensky is more chill. He's more
• 1:10:43
  subdued. Apparently Marco Rubio had a conversation
• 1:10:46
  with Zelensky in order to clear up the quote
• 1:10:48
  BS, unquote, as Lindsay was saying, about not
• 1:10:51
  getting the weapon shipments, not getting a notice
• 1:10:54
  for the standpoint of ballistic missiles hitting
• 1:10:56
  the country, and also not their Starlink being
• 1:11:00
  slowed down. All right, put a pin in this one
• 1:11:02
  real quick. Elon Musk's Wall Street Journal is
• 1:11:05
  reporting that we were right. Trump did turn
• 1:11:10
  down Starlink. And apparently, Wall Street Journal
• 1:11:14
  is reporting that Trump contacted Musk, who turned
• 1:11:17
  down Starlink. Right. Because Trump was pissed
• 1:11:20
  off. Now, from my point of view, this is obvious,
• 1:11:22
  right? Zelensky is going out humiliating the
• 1:11:25
  president every day. Trump says, stop hitting
• 1:11:27
  refineries. Zelensky keeps hitting refineries.
• 1:11:30
  It makes the president look like an asshole.
• 1:11:31
  So the president says, turn it down. Elon Musk
• 1:11:35
  turns it down. Zelensky screams. Finally, Rubio
• 1:11:40
  apparently had a conversation to read the riot
• 1:11:41
  act to Zelensky, in which case Zelensky was far
• 1:11:43
  more chilled and the European leaders comes out
• 1:11:45
  far more subdued than they were before they went
• 1:11:48
  into that meeting with Witkoff. Witkoff is now
• 1:11:50
  taking the message from the Europeans, from Zelensky,
• 1:11:54
  from the White House, to the Kremlin, or at the
• 1:11:58
  very least to St. Petersburg. Let's play this
• 1:12:01
  clip. This is Witkoff having a conversation with
• 1:12:04
  Putin. He's a 75-year-old man, and you talk
• 1:12:08
  so much about my president, President Trump,
• 1:12:11
  being a humanitarian. You are a humanitarian
• 1:12:15
  also, sir. And I salute that. I commend you and
• 1:12:18
  I thank you again. Man and you talk so much President
• 1:12:27
  Trump. Witkoff goes and tells Putin, well you say
• 1:12:34
  Trump is humanitarian. Well you sir are also a
• 1:12:37
  humanitarian. The collective asses that are going
• 1:12:42
  to pucker. The oceans of ink that are going to
• 1:12:45
  be written about that is fantastic. I can't wait.
• 1:12:48
  True. It's already started. I can't. I can't.
• 1:12:53
  I could instantaneously. Those words came out
• 1:12:56
  of his mouth. Yeah. Witkoff goes to lick Putin's
• 1:12:59
  ass. That's what's going to be written, right?
• 1:13:05
  Also, the sucking up is interesting to me. Also,
• 1:13:08
  the deal about the diesel, all of these things
• 1:13:11
  are interconnected to one another. Him saying,
• 1:13:14
  stop hitting the refineries. Again, interconnected
• 1:13:16
  to the deal that was made because Donald Trump
• 1:13:18
  has a trouble with diesel because diesel is still
• 1:13:20
  going up. Diesel is up to nearly $6.50 in Richmond.
• 1:13:25
  I'm fascinated by that. First, I guess the main
• 1:13:29
  question is, will this matter? My argument was,
• 1:13:33
  Witkoff goes to St. Petersburg to waste Putin's
• 1:13:36
  time because they can never offer Putin what
• 1:13:38
  he needs to ultimately end the war. They can't
• 1:13:42
  do it. NATO expansion is the issue. And until
• 1:13:45
  the White House deals with that, they're not
• 1:13:47
  really dealing with anything. Give me your thoughts,
• 1:13:50
  though. Do you think that there's anything here?
• 1:13:52
  Maybe I'm being too cynical. No, I think,
• 1:13:58
  I think, right, that's, it's kind of
• 1:14:00
  , there's the whole cliche in American
• 1:14:05
  foreign policy circles that somehow the Soviet
• 1:14:08
  Union and now Russia is, right, an enigma wrapped
• 1:14:11
  in a puzzle, wrapped in a, that's just not true
• 1:14:14
  in this case, right? Things are very
• 1:14:17
  clear and have been clear, going back
• 1:14:20
  into the 1990s. Quit fucking with us. Quit expanding
• 1:14:25
  your military alliance towards our border and
• 1:14:28
  quit trying to get it up against our border.
• 1:14:31
  Quit fucking with us. And Russia has not modified
• 1:14:35
  its demands or requests at all in all of that
• 1:14:39
  time. Frankly, they could have. We're kind of
• 1:14:42
  lucky that they haven't been more
• 1:14:44
  maximalist and said, well, now that
• 1:14:47
  we're winning and you force us to go to war,
• 1:14:49
  we're going to need this and that and the other.
• 1:14:50
  No, really, it's always still asking for the
• 1:14:53
  same thing. I think Putin happily goes home with
• 1:14:59
  a no NATO assurance and a neutral
• 1:15:02
  Ukraine, the Donbass and Crimea and maybe a buffer
• 1:15:06
  zone. He goes home and that's it. War over. The
• 1:15:12
  Americans know this or they should know this
• 1:15:14
  if they don't know this. So I don't
• 1:15:18
  know why they're dicking around except that they
• 1:15:20
  know they can't win but it's they're sniffing
• 1:15:23
  around and trying to figure out well you
• 1:15:25
  know maybe if we maybe if we send
• 1:15:28
  Putin some we don't know what a
• 1:15:31
  magazine subscription then he'll back off or
• 1:15:33
  something. It's we know what he needs, right?
• 1:15:36
  Yeah. So it's a little mystifying, but what
• 1:15:42
  I read from this is America wants a deal. Putin's
• 1:15:48
  always willing to listen, but he's not going
• 1:15:52
  to change his mind. Because the thing is, I think
• 1:15:54
  what the Americans don't get is that for Russia,
• 1:15:57
  it's a need. It's not a want. It's not,
• 1:16:01
  oh, I'd like to have no more Ukraine, not in
• 1:16:05
  NATO. They feel they can't abide it. They
• 1:16:09
  can't have it. And it's true, what
• 1:16:13
  Kinzer, who, by the way, is confirmed for November
• 1:16:16
  6th, says in his upcoming book, Boiling Point,
• 1:16:19
  that any president of Russia would have done
• 1:16:25
  exactly the same thing, regardless of their politics.
• 1:16:28
  And that is true. Broach this
• 1:16:33
  to people who are friends of mine,
• 1:16:35
  most of my friends support Ukraine. They're on
• 1:16:37
  Team Ukraine. And when I broach this, I'm,
• 1:16:40
  I explain this. What would you do if you
• 1:16:43
  were the president of this country and you were
• 1:16:45
  in that situation? You wouldn't invade? Well,
• 1:16:49
  they shouldn't invade. You shouldn't invade the
• 1:16:50
  United States. Answer my question. What would
• 1:16:52
  you do in that situation? That's how I assess
• 1:16:55
  people's actions, right? Why is Jeffrey
• 1:16:59
  Epstein a creep? Because I know if I were Jeffrey
• 1:17:01
  Epstein, I wouldn't have done any of those things.
• 1:17:03
  OK, so that's how I assess it. It's, but
• 1:17:07
  if I were Vladimir Putin, I would have done exactly
• 1:17:08
  the same thing. That's how I assess that. People
• 1:17:11
  who are NATO supporters and people who are
• 1:17:14
  hardcore NATO supporters on the radio station.
• 1:17:17
  And it was the same line of thought. It was,
• 1:17:19
  what would the United States do in this situation?
• 1:17:22
  Meaning, what else do you want him to do?
• 1:17:24
  Or people who are hardcore anti-war activists.
• 1:17:27
  And it's, I get that you're an anti-war
• 1:17:29
  activist, but tell me, what do you do in this
• 1:17:30
  situation? And it's, well, I believe in
• 1:17:33
  peace. I get that you believe in peace, but the
• 1:17:36
  world doesn't revolve around your idea of things.
• 1:17:39
  It revolves around how people actually behave
• 1:17:41
  and the job that you have at your disposal. The
• 1:17:43
  job of the president of Russia is to defend the
• 1:17:45
  integrity of Russia, right? So it's, oh,
• 1:17:49
  I'm a peacenik. Yeah, but they're killing ethnic
• 1:17:52
  Russian Ukrainians. Yeah, but I'm a peacemaker.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah, but they're expanding to the border of
• 1:17:55
  Ukraine and they've overthrown that country.
• 1:17:58
  So you have a hostile entity on your border that
• 1:18:01
  hates your guts. They're being backed by the
• 1:18:05
  U.S. who overthrew the government itself and
• 1:18:08
  that has overthrown multiple countries over the
• 1:18:10
  years, meaning they have slowly gotten closer
• 1:18:13
  and closer to your borders. And now they're on
• 1:18:16
  your border. And now they're on your border.
• 1:18:18
  And you are telling me, but I'm a peacenik. You're
• 1:18:20
  being militarily surrounded, but I'm a peacenik.
• 1:18:23
  Okay, that dog doesn't bark. You have to respond
• 1:18:28
  to the reality that you're presented with. And
• 1:18:30
  in the reality he was presented with, NATO is
• 1:18:34
  expanding to my border. They've overthrown the
• 1:18:36
  largest country in Europe, and they've overthrown
• 1:18:38
  the country that Europe has used to invade Russia
• 1:18:41
  on multiple occasions to the tune of killing
• 1:18:43
  tens of millions of us. What are we to do? And
• 1:18:47
  you say, well, what would the U.S. do? Well,
• 1:18:49
  we destroyed or we were about to destroy Cuba.
• 1:18:52
  We were about to end the world over Cuba. Don't
• 1:18:57
  tell me the stuff we are, Russia is
• 1:19:00
  doing something that is anomalous. We were willing
• 1:19:03
  to overthrow the government. We were willing
• 1:19:06
  to go to war to prop up a dictator in Nicaragua.
• 1:19:10
  We were willing to go to war to prop up any
• 1:19:15
  dictatorship that we wanted in South America.
• 1:19:18
  We assassinated a leftist president in Argentina.
• 1:19:22
  We toppled the government. We created Panama
• 1:19:30
  by separating it from Colombia. Over
• 1:19:33
  and over and over. We want our will to be, we
• 1:19:38
  want total dominance over the entire Western
• 1:19:40
  hemisphere. And Putin's not asking for that.
• 1:19:45
  Putin's asking for what Russian leaders going
• 1:19:48
  back to the czars have always wanted which is
• 1:19:52
  inert buffer states surrounding Russia. That's
• 1:19:56
  because of their geographical positioning. They
• 1:19:58
  have big borders. They don't have. They're not
• 1:20:01
  protected by massive mountain ranges or massive
• 1:20:04
  rivers or bodies of water. They need. They
• 1:20:08
  need to have, especially in a place like Ukraine,
• 1:20:10
  which is a traditional invasion route, they need
• 1:20:14
  to have that. They don't need to own it, but
• 1:20:16
  they need to rent it. They need to know that
• 1:20:19
  their calls will get returned. They need to know
• 1:20:21
  that those people there will not, it's at
• 1:20:24
  bare minimum, we're good. You're not fucking
• 1:20:26
  with us, right? That's all they need to know.
• 1:20:28
  It's just the independence, which is what they've
• 1:20:31
  been asking for. They never asked the rule
• 1:20:33
  of Ukraine. And even the conversation with Putin,
• 1:20:36
  I think what's happening with Tucker, he was,
• 1:20:37
  we've never lifted a finger for Ukraine.
• 1:20:39
  But the key point to that is neither can you.
• 1:20:42
  Right. And also the idea that Russia
• 1:20:44
  lusts for land. It's land is the one thing
• 1:20:48
  Russia does not need. Yeah. That's nonsense.
• 1:20:51
  No, there's no lust for land. Yeah. There's
• 1:20:54
  the idea that they were lusting, they were
• 1:20:56
  thirsty for Ukraine. It's nonsense. Or that they
• 1:20:58
  want to put the band back together. They want
• 1:21:01
  to put the Soviet Union back together. Which
• 1:21:03
  they never said. Putin never articulated. They
• 1:21:06
  were dealing with all the affairs, right? And
• 1:21:08
  I always say, look he could have gotten several
• 1:21:10
  of the Central Asian republics back for free.
• 1:21:12
  The Tajiks would have come back. You
• 1:21:15
  know they were dying to come back and join the
• 1:21:16
  band and Putin's, no no thanks. You
• 1:21:19
  know he could he could have probably had Uzbekistan
• 1:21:22
  back for free and for a long time until they
• 1:21:25
  struck oil probably Kazakhstan too. So it's
• 1:21:29
  Kyrgyzstan for sure. Yeah but that was never the
• 1:21:33
  objective. They were. They have put so
• 1:21:36
  much into this propaganda campaign in order to
• 1:21:40
  justify burning down their countries for this
• 1:21:43
  fool's errand of them trying to, get
• 1:21:45
  their hands on Russian resources and change the
• 1:21:47
  government of Russia, some nonsense. No, the
• 1:21:49
  reality of it is, as long as nobody touches this,
• 1:21:53
  we don't touch it. It's that. The moment that
• 1:21:57
  you touch it, you're now making a threat to us.
• 1:22:00
  Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, right? The
• 1:22:02
  same thing. Austria. Austria has a new constitution.
• 1:22:06
  I know this because my ex is an Austrian. I know
• 1:22:08
  a little bit about it. They have a no-compete
• 1:22:11
  or neutrality clause built into it. Austria,
• 1:22:14
  for the most part, has stayed out of this stuff.
• 1:22:16
  For the most part, they have their issues. But
• 1:22:19
  Ukraine changed their constitution in order to
• 1:22:21
  allow them to, all of a sudden, not be neutral.
• 1:22:24
  Not to mention the government was overthrown.
• 1:22:26
  Meaning, anybody that's having a conversation
• 1:22:27
  with me that said this is a sovereign country,
• 1:22:29
  it's nonsense. It's patently false. So let's
• 1:22:33
  be. It's not to think it to himself. The fact that
• 1:22:35
  he's begging for money for 90 billion dollars
• 1:22:38
  or whatever he's trying to get because of
• 1:22:40
  a budget shortfall or for that matter when he's
• 1:22:43
  the U.S. is not supplying us information about
• 1:22:46
  missiles coming in. Okay so you don't even know
• 1:22:48
  when missiles are coming into your country without
• 1:22:50
  the U.S. You can't even fire air defense without
• 1:22:53
  the U.S. giving them to you and for that matter
• 1:22:55
  you can't even attack without the U.S. approving
• 1:22:58
  your attacks. You're not a sovereign country. Right?
• 1:23:03
  You're a weapons platform. You're really not.
• 1:23:06
  Yeah. It's outrageous. And so, and one
• 1:23:09
  last point, let's add something else to this
• 1:23:11
  and I want to get your take on. The next president
• 1:23:13
  may be a Democrat, in which case all of this
• 1:23:16
  stuff is going to be, but not.
• 1:23:20
  They can roll back anything that Witkoff and
• 1:23:22
  Putin agree to. That is true. Yeah. Why would,
• 1:23:28
  so what exactly do you think is going
• 1:23:32
  on here? So. Why did Russia let Steve
• 1:23:35
  why did they let this guy Steve Hubbard
• 1:23:37
  out? It doesn't hurt them to keep him in.
• 1:23:42
  He's nearly 80 years old unless he's. Well if
• 1:23:44
  one or two things. It depends on what he actually
• 1:23:47
  is. Is this guy with a quote-unquote mercenary
• 1:23:50
  in the sense of working with the CIA or something
• 1:23:52
  else than him being a? He's an adventurer. Okay
• 1:23:56
  and we know that as a flat pack he's an adventurer.
• 1:23:59
  The reason why I'm skeptical. He fits the profile.
• 1:24:03
  If you take a picture of him he's
• 1:24:05
  a slob. He's a mess. He just he doesn't have that
• 1:24:09
  Blackwater Z vibe. So then there's no
• 1:24:13
  point in keeping him. He's just superfluous. It's
• 1:24:15
  just a drain on the state. The issue becomes
• 1:24:18
  will he come back into the conflict zone? There's
• 1:24:20
  that or if he was some kind of mercenary
• 1:24:23
  then killing Russia. Let's put it this way. Look
• 1:24:27
  at a picture of this guy. If Ukraine needs things,
• 1:24:31
  if he can turn the course of the war for Ukraine,
• 1:24:34
  Russia's over. Okay, then just let the guy go.
• 1:24:40
  He's just a drain on the state. Yeah, yeah, he
• 1:24:43
  is. That's an easy bargaining chip. Oh, you want
• 1:24:47
  it back? Yes, Vladimir, I would like them back.
• 1:24:50
  Okay, okay, Trump, here it is. Here you go. What's
• 1:24:54
  funny to me, though, is that Donald Trump keeps
• 1:24:56
  saying Zelensky needs to go. Which is fascinating
• 1:24:59
  to me. I want my pro-Ukrainian friends to tell
• 1:25:06
  me, how do you explain this whole weaseling about
• 1:25:09
  elections? Because we can't have elections because
• 1:25:14
  of the martial law that I declared and could
• 1:25:17
  undeclare. This only suits Russia, so you can't
• 1:25:21
  have elections. I would be willing to have elections,
• 1:25:27
  Zelensky says, if, Russia were
• 1:25:31
  to, rub their belly and do the hokey
• 1:25:33
  pokey and backwards or whatever. Well, I thought
• 1:25:37
  you couldn't have elections. Oh, well, I could
• 1:25:39
  if Russia were to do this other thing. Oh, I
• 1:25:43
  thought you didn't want, Russia to control
• 1:25:45
  your elections. Oh, well. Putin did say, I'll
• 1:25:49
  stop on the day that he has the elections, meaning
• 1:25:53
  I'll stop bombing the day. You have elections.
• 1:25:56
  Right. You will have a bomb-free election day.
• 1:26:00
  Right. Unlike our elections. Right. True, true.
• 1:26:07
  You have elections. The bombs stop. Just real
• 1:26:09
  quick, y'all. The link that I keep posting in
• 1:26:11
  the chat, so this is the Q&A section. If y'all
• 1:26:14
  click that link, y'all can actually call in
• 1:26:16
  and ask Ted and JT your questions. So it would
• 1:26:19
  be feed into the chat. We did the link. We just
• 1:26:22
  do it. Yeah, it is the Q&A. It is the Q&A hour.
• 1:26:26
  I forgot to announce that. I put up the banner,
• 1:26:28
  but that is all true. All right. So, yeah, if
• 1:26:32
  you want to talk, but we'll lay down the rules
• 1:26:36
  if you do call in, which are basically it's be
• 1:26:39
  cool and be succinct or be gone. Okay. So what
• 1:26:45
  do we got here? Okay, questions here. Increase
• 1:26:53
  Immigrations asks, why do Trump voting males
• 1:26:57
  love Russia so much? Why do Trump voting males
• 1:27:01
  love Russia? That's kind of a big supposition.
• 1:27:04
  Part of it, well, in the beginning, it did seem
• 1:27:08
  as if Trump was closer to Russia than Joe Biden
• 1:27:11
  because Joe Biden was a fucking lunatic and the
• 1:27:13
  Democrats were lunatics. And if you remember,
• 1:27:16
  I still think that the PSYOP of Russiagate
• 1:27:19
  being seeded into the community by Hillary Clinton
• 1:27:22
  dramatically affected the perspective of Democrats
• 1:27:24
  towards Russia. Granted there's a cold
• 1:27:26
  war thing so put that into it but Democrats particularly
• 1:27:30
  have a BNA behind it about Russia in a way that
• 1:27:34
  it's just unseemly and slightly racist. Yeah it's
• 1:27:41
  weird. It's just very weird. It's almost
• 1:27:43
  I'm very angry about this thing that I know nothing
• 1:27:46
  about. Florence in Michigan, at the end,
• 1:27:49
  one of her videos to be okay, what is it called?
• 1:27:53
  I forget the name of the video, but it's a great
• 1:27:55
  video. At the end of the video, she's, this
• 1:27:59
  is dedicated to Ukraine. I was, God damn
• 1:28:01
  it. I was in love with you up until that point.
• 1:28:03
  I was, God damn it. It's, this is dedicated
• 1:28:06
  to Ukraine and the fighters and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:28:08
  And it's true that many of the people that are
• 1:28:10
  fighting are courageous on both sides. It's,
• 1:28:12
  it's a work of fate that you end up in a war.
• 1:28:15
  From the standpoint of the people who
• 1:28:17
  are fighting in that war, but you're on the wrong
• 1:28:21
  side of history on that. It's that part. As the
• 1:28:25
  only person here that's voted for Trump, I can
• 1:28:27
  tell you all why I've appreciated Russia and
• 1:28:31
  especially what Putin did. One, I've never been
• 1:28:35
  there, so I'm looking at this from 6,000 miles
• 1:28:38
  away, right? The country looks orderly. You can
• 1:28:41
  walk down the street, not get mugged, shot. The
• 1:28:46
  cost of living is very affordable there. You
• 1:28:49
  have a chance to build a future. You have a chance
• 1:28:51
  to get married and have kids. You have a chance
• 1:28:53
  to have a life, which is nice. And you're not
• 1:28:58
  looking to take over the entire freaking planet.
• 1:29:00
  So from America's first perspective, Russia first,
• 1:29:04
  what Putin did, is a very attractive model. Raise
• 1:29:08
  wages. You put in the country first. You make
• 1:29:13
  it where people are able to afford to live. You're
• 1:29:15
  able to educate your population. You have to
• 1:29:17
  import people from Bangladesh to work in your
• 1:29:20
  tech center. What they do for India.
• 1:29:23
  Whatever. But that is the appeal. So
• 1:29:28
  if you want to have a model for what America
• 1:29:30
  first looks like, look no further than Russia.
• 1:29:33
  Russia was dead when Putin took over. That is
• 1:29:37
  not a superpower. It is an economic power. It
• 1:29:40
  is a military power. You can, you can buy a house
• 1:29:44
  there. You can have as many kids as you want.
• 1:29:46
  It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. They welcome it.
• 1:29:49
  They want you to have kids. They also
• 1:29:52
  have a very sort of no nonsense, traditional
• 1:29:59
  gender definitions, right? You're
• 1:30:02
  not going to see people there's
• 1:30:05
  people with purple hair. It's
• 1:30:08
  guys are guys. Girls are girls
• 1:30:12
  and I think that appeals to conservatives. Yeah
• 1:30:15
  that too. They use that as a weapon when
• 1:30:18
  they're attacking Western quote Western civilization
• 1:30:21
  I quote as being dissolute and. Yeah, it's
• 1:30:26
  the homosexuality thing or the thing against
• 1:30:29
  certain groups. They use that as a weapon.
• 1:30:31
  It's a fascinating weapon, though. I get where
• 1:30:35
  it's coming from. The United States has this
• 1:30:38
  idea of pushing culture. Thaddeus is
• 1:30:43
  right about this. We push culture, whether we
• 1:30:46
  do intentionally or not. Coca-Cola, women who
• 1:30:49
  are dancing in little miniskirts at the time,
• 1:30:51
  this was supposed to be America. Jazz, rock,
• 1:30:53
  Elvis Presley, right? All of these things rap.
• 1:30:57
  All of these things are ways of very infectious.
• 1:31:01
  And people tend to like those things. And rebellious,
• 1:31:06
  right? Small art rebellious. Even
• 1:31:10
  art, in the way that art was kind of all
• 1:31:12
  over the place as opposed to the Soviet art that
• 1:31:15
  was very worker-centric and that type of stuff.
• 1:31:17
  But that stuff is very addictive and seductive.
• 1:31:22
  Even for Americans. Think of,
• 1:31:24
  just take everything out. Fast food. Fast food
• 1:31:27
  tastes great, horrible for you. You're going
• 1:31:30
  to die 20 years younger as a result of eating
• 1:31:31
  it. No question. And yet, it tastes good. But
• 1:31:35
  we would say, well, human beings are adults,
• 1:31:37
  and you should give people the option. And people
• 1:31:39
  are going to choose wrong. Every single time.
• 1:31:44
  Yeah, every single time. Or let's say 80% of
• 1:31:48
  the time. So it's the issue is the choice.
• 1:31:50
  And yet, the moment that somebody like me would
• 1:31:53
  be, yeah, but I want my choice. Even though
• 1:31:55
  I'm going to be wrong. It's with you guys
• 1:31:59
  giving me a hard time about wanting to ban football
• 1:32:01
  because of CTE. For the record, what I just said
• 1:32:06
  about Russia, I have no idea if it's true or
• 1:32:07
  not. I've never been there. I'm very far away
• 1:32:10
  looking in. Most of what you said was true. But
• 1:32:15
  what they're showing, though, is the appeal.
• 1:32:19
  If you try walking down the street, say, in Baltimore
• 1:32:24
  at 2 a.m., odds are you might be in for a rough
• 1:32:29
  night. Odds are you're looking for a rough night.
• 1:32:32
  If you're walking down the street at 2 a.m.
• 1:32:35
  in Moscow or St. Petersburg, odds are you'll
• 1:32:38
  be perfectly fine. Yeah. Having done that, that's
• 1:32:42
  true. Let's forget about GDP and all these numbers
• 1:32:46
  don't mean anything. Can the people there afford
• 1:32:49
  to live? Can they? Can they build a life there?
• 1:32:55
  If the answer is yes, that's the definition of
• 1:32:58
  America first. That's what Trump campaigned on.
• 1:33:01
  Bring the jobs back, put America first, pull
• 1:33:04
  out of NATO, rebuild our house. That's what the
• 1:33:07
  man ran on. And that's why so many right wingers
• 1:33:10
  like me look at Russia and Iran for that matter.
• 1:33:12
  To be fair. No, Blake, he was watching me on
• 1:33:16
  the Jeff Dornick show yesterday. And I was talking
• 1:33:19
  to this lawyer who's a... Republican operative,
• 1:33:23
  for lack of a better word. And I asked him a
• 1:33:25
  very simple question. Why is Iran my enemy? He
• 1:33:29
  doesn't have an answer. That same question is
• 1:33:33
  valid for Russia. Why is Russia my enemy? They've
• 1:33:35
  never hurt me. They're not your enemy. They're
• 1:33:37
  not my enemy at all. They're not any American's
• 1:33:39
  enemy. We've made them our enemy. And we've made
• 1:33:43
  them our enemy for the very simple point of the
• 1:33:45
  same way that a burglar would be an enemy. It's,
• 1:33:49
  we want stuff that doesn't belong to us
• 1:33:52
  that belongs to you and in which case when they
• 1:33:55
  say no we have a hissy fit and we try to use
• 1:33:58
  proxies in order to destroy the thing that has
• 1:34:01
  told us no. The same thing with Iran, right?
• 1:34:05
  It's the idea of we demand you do something
• 1:34:08
  that as a sovereign nation you shouldn't have
• 1:34:11
  to do and so now we're going to beat you up. We're
• 1:34:14
  going to kill you people because you're telling
• 1:34:15
  us no. Okay that's outrageous and the idea that
• 1:34:19
  Americans accept that and you would have some
• 1:34:20
  right-wingers and even some liberals that
• 1:34:23
  would think that's perfectly okay. America gets
• 1:34:26
  to do that because we're America. We're somehow
• 1:34:28
  special. We're somehow exceptional. We are
• 1:34:31
  Superman or something. None of it's true.
• 1:34:34
  All of this stuff is purely ideological and yet
• 1:34:38
  it has real world consequences because of the
• 1:34:40
  ideology associated with it. No I'm Robby. You're
• 1:34:43
  right. You're right. And by the way this is not
• 1:34:45
  an argument domestic from the standpoint of Russia,
• 1:34:48
  because I don't live there, right? It's an international
• 1:34:51
  standpoint or point of view where Putin is defending
• 1:34:54
  his territory. It's just that. And it blows my
• 1:34:59
  mind that people can't necessarily see that,
• 1:35:02
  right? That's a Russia-first point of view.
• 1:35:04
  It blows my mind, too. Yeah. We never,
• 1:35:09
  whether it's Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi,
• 1:35:12
  all of these opponents of the United States,
• 1:35:15
  they were, they're all just people, they're leaders
• 1:35:20
  trying to defend their countries from American
• 1:35:22
  hegemony. That's all. And you can, did Saddam have torture prisons?
• 1:35:29
  Yeah. Was he always a great guy? No. But it's
• 1:35:33
  things are, but that's sort of neither here
• 1:35:35
  nor there. Is it our business? Also no. No. Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  Somehow they think, well, he's a bad guy. And
• 1:35:44
  it's the moment they make the argument that
• 1:35:45
  he's a bad guy, somehow it justifies anything
• 1:35:47
  at all. That argument, that's exactly it. The
• 1:35:49
  argument is, it's basically, yeah, because
• 1:35:51
  here's the logic. The logic is, you said,
• 1:35:54
  oh, here's this country, XYZistan. I want it.
• 1:35:59
  It has things that I want, that I covet. So now
• 1:36:02
  I'm going to say, oh, the government of that
• 1:36:03
  country is bad. And therefore... But that's a
• 1:36:07
  pretext. I'm not attacking them because their
• 1:36:10
  government. Let's just say their government is
• 1:36:12
  bad. I'm not attacking them because their
• 1:36:14
  government is bad. Because if I always
• 1:36:16
  if I were if that were the real reason, then
• 1:36:19
  I would attack all countries whose governments
• 1:36:22
  were really, really bad. And I don't. Right.
• 1:36:26
  We there's in fact, I make alliances with
• 1:36:29
  many countries that have really bad governments.
• 1:36:32
  I prop up really bad governments. So it's not,
• 1:36:36
  that's not the reason, and it's,
• 1:36:38
  but people follow it. My mom was a good lefty.
• 1:36:42
  She fell for the Iraq thing, but Saddam was evil.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah, he's evil, but that's not why the U.S.
• 1:36:49
  wants to invade Iraq. Right. That's amazing that
• 1:36:52
  your mom fell for that. It's just,
• 1:36:54
  it's outrageous. Maduro, really good example.
• 1:36:58
  He's a bad guy. Okay? But he's a real bad guy.
• 1:37:02
  And so now, when we invade or overthrow the country
• 1:37:05
  it's, well he was a bad guy. So what the he
• 1:37:09
  was a bad guy. Maybe whether he was or not
• 1:37:11
  is irrelevant to the point that you've just destroyed
• 1:37:14
  and attacked the country and we're not. Let's
• 1:37:16
  just say we were. We're not really in the business
• 1:37:18
  of getting together every morning in and
• 1:37:21
  saying hey who are the worst governments in the
• 1:37:23
  world. We think that sucks. We're strong
• 1:37:26
  enough to overthrow them so let's go for that.
• 1:37:28
  We don't. That's not our foreign policy. I'm not
• 1:37:31
  saying it ought to be but it's not. I have a question
• 1:37:34
  JT. Act like it is. So so these people are telling
• 1:37:37
  you that Maduro is a bad guy. Are these people
• 1:37:40
  I'm going to assume with your circle they're
• 1:37:42
  probably anti-Zionists and probably don't support
• 1:37:45
  the genocide happening in Gaza but would that
• 1:37:47
  be accurate? Well no I'm saying the media
• 1:37:49
  accepts the argument Maduro's a bad guy and so
• 1:37:53
  the media doesn't have a hissy fit when the United
• 1:37:55
  States attacks Venezuela. Yeah no I get it but
• 1:37:57
  here's the crazy part. These people
• 1:37:59
  are missing. Okay Maduro's a bad guy. He never
• 1:38:03
  committed a genocide. So who's the worst guy,
• 1:38:07
  Netanyahu? That's my argument. Or is it Maduro?
• 1:38:09
  If we were in the business of going after bad
• 1:38:11
  guys, we would overthrow Benjamin Netanyahu.
• 1:38:15
  We certainly wouldn't be propping him up, which
• 1:38:17
  is what we're doing. Demona would cease to exist
• 1:38:20
  tomorrow, and Israel would no longer be a nuclear
• 1:38:22
  state. Matter of fact, it would probably, under
• 1:38:24
  a West administration, not exist anymore at all.
• 1:38:27
  That's just me. But I'm a bad guy. I'm
• 1:38:29
  going to have to be removed. Oh, I have no idea,
• 1:38:32
  no issue with Israel not existing. Why do I care?
• 1:38:36
  But honestly, why do I care if it exists? In
• 1:38:38
  fact, I will make the argument that the psychos...
• 1:38:42
  No, they have lost their... Look, what's so funny
• 1:38:46
  is it's sort of, well, now that you mentioned
• 1:38:48
  it, since you guys, you Zionists, have brought
• 1:38:50
  up this whole right to exist argument... something
• 1:38:53
  that I hadn't given any thought to but
• 1:38:55
  now that you've brought it up. Now if any country
• 1:38:58
  doesn't have a right to exist Israel is one of
• 1:39:01
  them now that you mentioned it. Now that you pointed
• 1:39:06
  yeah this is kind of how gay marriage happened
• 1:39:08
  right? Originally gays didn't want to
• 1:39:11
  get married and it was the right kept arguing
• 1:39:14
  oh if we give them if we give gays rights
• 1:39:17
  eventually they'll want to get married and at
• 1:39:19
  some point in the 80s gays were
• 1:39:22
  now that you guys mention it that might
• 1:39:25
  be a good idea. Yeah thanks for bringing that
• 1:39:27
  up right? That's exactly how that went up. I got
• 1:39:32
  married in Iceland. Israel was the first place
• 1:39:33
  that allowed gay marriage. I think it was Iceland.
• 1:39:35
  France would the first two. I think I thought
• 1:39:38
  the whole point of being gay was that you didn't
• 1:39:39
  have to get married. There'd be no pressure right?
• 1:39:41
  Oh we've been together now
• 1:39:44
  for a while. Don't you think we should get married?
• 1:39:47
  And if you were gay you'd be, well we're
• 1:39:50
  gay. So we're oppressed by the state. So we can't.
• 1:39:54
  Oh, well. But now they wanted the white picket
• 1:39:59
  fence and the adjustable rate mortgage and the
• 1:40:03
  whole thing. I'm gay for the reason of not having
• 1:40:06
  to get married. No, that's funny. No, it's wow.
• 1:40:11
  I don't know, man. It's just fucked up.
• 1:40:13
  When they went after Saddam Hussein, when they
• 1:40:15
  went after all of those people. And my thing
• 1:40:17
  was kind of at a certain point, I was, wait
• 1:40:18
  a minute. What does he have to be a bad guy have
• 1:40:20
  to do with us killing people? It's none of our
• 1:40:24
  business. It's none of our business. And then
• 1:40:26
  it's you're acting these are humanitarian
• 1:40:27
  bombs. And also it's not true. We don't care.
• 1:40:30
  We don't care. Yep. Yeah. And then we invade
• 1:40:34
  Iraq and then set up our own torture prisons
• 1:40:36
  in Saddam Hussein's old torture prisons. Yep.
• 1:40:40
  But those are okay torture prisons because they're
• 1:40:42
  ours. We like our monsters. We're okay with
• 1:40:44
  our monsters. Yeah, that's one of my favorite,
• 1:40:47
  how you do your own thing and sometimes
• 1:40:48
  you do a show or whatever. You're,
• 1:40:50
  oh, I did a really good show. Even if nobody
• 1:40:52
  else appreciated it. I did a cartoon like that
• 1:40:54
  where every time I look at it, I'm, it makes
• 1:40:56
  me giggle. It's, Obama's new and
• 1:40:59
  improved. It was Guantanamo under new management,
• 1:41:04
  under Obama. And it's showing a guy
• 1:41:07
  getting waterboarded with Perrier. I'm curious,
• 1:41:11
  do your liberal friends, when you do cartoons
• 1:41:13
  like that, do they get pissed off at you? It's,
• 1:41:14
  you're unnoticed. Oh my God, they hate
• 1:41:16
  it. I lost so many liberal friends permanently
• 1:41:18
  over criticizing Obama. And I was, you had
• 1:41:22
  no problem with me going after Bush the
• 1:41:25
  day was long. Why the fuck would you,
• 1:41:28
  I'm a political cartoonist. There's
• 1:41:30
  no. I guess if we ever got
• 1:41:32
  a great president I might not be as critical.
• 1:41:36
  I can't imagine that happening under the system
• 1:41:38
  but that's the job, right? Oh that's funny. That's
• 1:41:43
  funny. Anyway. Some more comments here. 25th
• 1:41:46
  psychonaut says the liberal argument is that
• 1:41:49
  Ukraine was promised that if they forfeited their
• 1:41:52
  nuclear weapons, the U.S. would protect them
• 1:41:54
  from Russian invasion. But I honestly agree with
• 1:41:57
  your position, Ted. Yeah, that was a liberal
• 1:42:00
  argument that they said. That Budapest, what
• 1:42:03
  is its name? I think it's the Budapest Memorandum.
• 1:42:08
  Yeah, that's right. That doesn't really apply
• 1:42:09
  though. That wasn't for Minsk. Yeah, that doesn't
• 1:42:11
  really apply. A couple of points. One, those
• 1:42:16
  missiles didn't belong to Ukraine. That's true.
• 1:42:19
  Meaning those were Russian. They were Soviet,
• 1:42:22
  yeah. They were always operated out of Moscow.
• 1:42:25
  They weren't, even if Ukraine kept them, they
• 1:42:27
  couldn't use them. They wouldn't even know how
• 1:42:30
  to use them. They would have just rotted away
• 1:42:32
  in their silos. Yeah, so there's that. They weren't
• 1:42:36
  Ukrainian missiles. Two, the government of Ukraine
• 1:42:40
  was overthrown. So if there was a threat from
• 1:42:43
  anybody, it was coming out of the U.S. and out
• 1:42:46
  of Europe, not out of Russia. It was the overthrow,
• 1:42:49
  the smashing of the state. So if you're talking
• 1:42:52
  to anybody on that, you have to deal with the
• 1:42:53
  fact that the U.S. overthrew the state of Ukraine.
• 1:42:56
  Yeah, even if the state, look, there
• 1:42:58
  was obviously a real indigenous portion of the
• 1:43:02
  Maidan uprising, right? That that was legitimate.
• 1:43:05
  But once the U.S. decided to put their thumb
• 1:43:08
  on the scale, that queers the whole deal and
• 1:43:10
  it's no longer authentic. Well assistance
• 1:43:14
  training they were getting more violent. Weapons
• 1:43:17
  were probably being brought into the place. The
• 1:43:19
  CIA had been involved in Ukraine by their
• 1:43:21
  own admission. They recruited and the CIA recruited
• 1:43:23
  the Nazis too the Right Sector and all that
• 1:43:26
  stuff. Yeah I'm trying to make the point
• 1:43:28
  of saying this wasn't a situation where there
• 1:43:30
  was an organic uprising etc. That wasn't it. This
• 1:43:34
  was a violent overthrow of the state that they
• 1:43:36
  called this kind of Dignity Revolution.
• 1:43:39
  Okay sure. Just because Victoria Nuland was tapped,
• 1:43:44
  picking who is going to be the Minister of Transport
• 1:43:48
  in the new government, it's not the U.S.
• 1:43:50
  is pulling all the strings. She's on the phone
• 1:43:54
  with Jeffrey Pyatt talking about who they're
• 1:43:56
  going to put in office. Unbelievable. We're going
• 1:43:58
  to midwife this thing. And all of a sudden, boom,
• 1:44:02
  it blows up. Yanukovych didn't accept the deal
• 1:44:05
  that the European Union wanted, in which case
• 1:44:07
  it goes the pot. This is, that's
• 1:44:12
  their argument, but the argument doesn't look
• 1:44:13
  quite flat. I ended up getting to fight with
• 1:44:15
  my ex about this particular point, too. She Googled
• 1:44:17
  the memorandum, Budapest memorandum, and couldn't,
• 1:44:23
  could not accept the premise of, it wasn't their
• 1:44:27
  missiles, and the government was smashed. This
• 1:44:30
  is not, this is not, and by the
• 1:44:33
  way, the U.S. didn't commit itself to fighting
• 1:44:35
  for Ukraine. There's that, too. Meaning
• 1:44:37
  none of these countries said we will come to
• 1:44:39
  fight for you Article 5 if indeed anything
• 1:44:41
  happens to the country. We didn't have that kind
• 1:44:43
  of relationship with them. No. And the U.S.
• 1:44:46
  wanted to get rid of those things themselves
• 1:44:48
  just because Ukraine was radically corrupt. But
• 1:44:50
  people don't understand how the American system
• 1:44:54
  of government works. A treaty has to be ratified
• 1:44:57
  by the Senate. That's why y'all were
• 1:45:02
  talking about earlier. There's no treaty at all.
• 1:45:06
  It doesn't exist. There's not even an unratified
• 1:45:09
  treaty that the president. It's the Budapest
• 1:45:13
  memorandum. Yeah, it is. There was no agreement.
• 1:45:16
  It's got all the power of an executive order.
• 1:45:19
  It's got nothing. It's nothing. It's just paper.
• 1:45:21
  Exactly. It means nothing. And that's one of
• 1:45:23
  the reasons why I keep saying, I've said on this
• 1:45:25
  show and on other ones, Iran and Russia both,
• 1:45:28
  if they are smart, but they want to, it's time
• 1:45:31
  to put these wars to bed. They will insist that
• 1:45:34
  it be a treaty that make its way through the
• 1:45:36
  Senate. So that way, a president in the future
• 1:45:39
  cannot just go as a nevermind psych. Do it the
• 1:45:44
  legal way. So Piano Man said they loved President
• 1:45:50
  Putin till he put a stop to Western exploitation
• 1:45:53
  of Russia, which was going on in the 90s and
• 1:45:56
  early 2000s. After putting a stop to their party,
• 1:45:59
  they now hate him. And that's true. The
• 1:46:02
  people like my... publisher who fired me at the
• 1:46:07
  LA Times. He made all this money in the ashes
• 1:46:09
  of the former Soviet Union in the early 90s.
• 1:46:11
  They were raping and pillaging over there. Starting
• 1:46:16
  with Gorbachev and then moving... I thought about
• 1:46:19
  what we talked about the other day. Fuck that
• 1:46:21
  guy. Really fuck that guy. When I was reading
• 1:46:24
  a book about the collapse and how he just seemed
• 1:46:26
  to be out of fucking touch. Deng Xiaoping apparently
• 1:46:31
  met Gorbachev at one point. And after the conversation,
• 1:46:34
  he left. It's he is out of his mind. And
• 1:46:37
  I get this emancipatory politics. I get it, right?
• 1:46:42
  Where it's you want these big ideas, these
• 1:46:45
  hopeful ideas, the things that you want to accomplish.
• 1:46:48
  But God, man, that stuff has to be done between
• 1:46:50
  the lines. And I don't know what that looks like
• 1:46:53
  in real life in regards to between the lines.
• 1:46:54
  It's going to look like different things depending
• 1:46:56
  upon the situation. But just because you want
• 1:46:59
  a federalized system doesn't mean that you're
• 1:47:02
  going to unravel a system that has been that
• 1:47:05
  authoritarian, built by Stalin, you could say,
• 1:47:09
  and just let your hands off the wheels and expect
• 1:47:11
  everything is going to work out right. The Americans
• 1:47:13
  are going to treat us fairly. Everything is going
• 1:47:15
  to be roses and wet. It's not going to work that
• 1:47:18
  way. It's not going to work that way. It's
• 1:47:21
  him being hopeful is a part of him that I admire
• 1:47:24
  because he was willing to be hopeful even in
• 1:47:26
  the context of headwinds of people saying you
• 1:47:29
  can't do it. But the people who told him he can't
• 1:47:30
  do it were probably right. They were just probably
• 1:47:33
  right. I don't know what to go with that.
• 1:47:35
  Do you think it would have been possible
• 1:47:37
  to federalize that system somehow if you had
• 1:47:39
  a more savvy politician as opposed to Gorbachev
• 1:47:42
  who seemed to be enamored with himself?
• 1:47:48
  I think that events caught up with Gorbachev
• 1:47:50
  and things moved faster than he expected. And
• 1:47:56
  then it just sort of seemed at a certain point,
• 1:47:58
  I think that his whole idea that he
• 1:48:00
  found out reforming was hard. And he was,
• 1:48:05
  oh, man, finally, it was it was suggested
• 1:48:07
  to him. Maybe he should just close up shop. Obviously,
• 1:48:10
  it was suggested to him by people who were being
• 1:48:12
  paid by the Americans. They didn't have to shut
• 1:48:16
  up, close down shop. The Soviet Union
• 1:48:19
  had massive natural
• 1:48:22
  resources. It had massive. It was an under-exploited
• 1:48:27
  regime in terms of its economy.
• 1:48:31
  There's it was completely viable. There was
• 1:48:34
  no reason for it to shut down and
• 1:48:37
  part of me wonders if he was an agent of
• 1:48:41
  the CIA secretly. Something. He just seemed
• 1:48:47
  or he was just tired. Well, they were... No,
• 1:48:50
  he didn't seem tired. In reading the book,
• 1:48:53
  he seemed to be glamorous. Meaning into
• 1:48:57
  this kind of glamorous life of thought. Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:59
  Meaning how he started and how he became.
• 1:49:01
  He seemed to get more enamored by the fact that
• 1:49:04
  he was talking to world leaders. And he was having
• 1:49:07
  these conversations. And he was on magazines
• 1:49:09
  and TV and blah, blah, blah. And they were sucking
• 1:49:11
  up to him. Just Zelensky, kind of, right?
• 1:49:13
  Yeah it just seemed he was living the life
• 1:49:16
  at a certain point and he still had this idea
• 1:49:18
  of I want to federalize the system. I got
• 1:49:21
  to be honest with you the perestroika for example
• 1:49:24
  we should have that here and I think people
• 1:49:27
  will be shocked and horrified when those files
• 1:49:29
  are released at the that the United States was
• 1:49:31
  doing. We probably don't. We obviously don't know
• 1:49:33
  half of it, right? And when he's releasing the
• 1:49:36
  files and people are looking at it and they're
• 1:49:37
  shocked and horrified by what the Soviet Union
• 1:49:40
  have been doing and I remember he made the
• 1:49:43
  point of saying America needs its own prayer
• 1:49:45
  strip. America needs its own wake-up call
• 1:49:48
  where it sees what the government has been doing.
• 1:49:51
  We won't find that out until this government
• 1:49:53
  collapses. Yeah, I remember when East Germany
• 1:49:55
  collapsed, the DDR collapsed, and the offices
• 1:49:58
  of the Stasi were opened, and people were going
• 1:50:02
  into these and finding their own files. It's,
• 1:50:05
  wait, holy shit, my spouse was spying on
• 1:50:09
  me and stuff like that. I think we will be. Can
• 1:50:12
  you imagine the that we would find in our files
• 1:50:14
  in Washington? I know that's my point. Meaning
• 1:50:19
  that's a horrification process where the public
• 1:50:21
  looks at that what their government is doing
• 1:50:23
  but it's also a wake-up call and that wake-up
• 1:50:26
  call I think is necessary. Now the catch becomes
• 1:50:28
  how do you do that without everything falling
• 1:50:31
  apart? Right? Look, Putin called the collapse
• 1:50:38
  of the Soviet Union one of the great disasters
• 1:50:39
  of the 20th century. And he's right. That's true.
• 1:50:43
  And in a material way, you're
• 1:50:47
  talking about, I visited in 1997 in the
• 1:50:51
  post-Soviet era, and it was a catastrophe. And
• 1:50:55
  almost, everyone over 60 died of famine
• 1:50:59
  during that period. Millions of Russians and other
• 1:51:02
  so former Soviet citizens died. The Americans
• 1:51:06
  seduced them. Please become
• 1:51:09
  capitalist. We'll help you out and then it was
• 1:51:11
  we did not help them at all and it was catastrophic
• 1:51:16
  and it was a catastrophe for the United States
• 1:51:20
  too because we went. We bought into the whole
• 1:51:22
  Francis Fukuyama end of history argument.
• 1:51:25
  Well capitalism has won now and forever. There's
• 1:51:28
  only one economics and political system that
• 1:51:31
  is going to work. And so there was no urge.
• 1:51:35
  Think about the pressure. Do you think
• 1:51:37
  the New Deal and the Great Society and all of
• 1:51:40
  these liberal reforms that, made it
• 1:51:45
  so that, old people didn't have to
• 1:51:46
  live on cat food and eat out of dumpsters in
• 1:51:50
  the United States in the 20th century. Do you
• 1:51:52
  think any of them would have happened if not
• 1:51:54
  for the pressure, the existence of the alternative
• 1:51:56
  socialist system that was embodied by the Soviet
• 1:51:59
  Union? There's no way. So, and that's
• 1:52:03
  part of the reason that things have gone to shit
• 1:52:05
  in the US is because there's no USSR anymore
• 1:52:08
  to compete with it. Yeah, there's no, yeah, right.
• 1:52:11
  There's no competition. If competition strengthens
• 1:52:17
  a product, and I think it does, then that's true
• 1:52:22
  in the marketplace of ideas as well. If American
• 1:52:25
  car makers had to deal with Chinese cars, either
• 1:52:29
  the market would be destroyed or you have better
• 1:52:31
  cars coming out of America. The fact that it's
• 1:52:33
  in a bubble makes them fat and lazy. I think
• 1:52:36
  the same thing is true for this. I agree with
• 1:52:38
  you wholeheartedly. I agree. One last. One last
• 1:52:44
  thing. Not a big deal, but it is a big deal,
• 1:52:47
  obviously, for the people involved. Cohen Wiley
• 1:52:52
  was a one-year-old baby who was shot to death
• 1:52:55
  by a Mississippi police officer who fired into
• 1:52:58
  a car. We've had several of these incidents,
• 1:53:01
  right? Renee Good fired into a car. Whether it's
• 1:53:07
  ICE or it's the cops, there's a lot of these
• 1:53:10
  incidents recently. Not just recently. It's
• 1:53:15
  every now and then. It's cops
• 1:53:16
  firing into a car. Should there be a rule sort
• 1:53:20
  of how LA put a rule about no more
• 1:53:23
  high-speed chases through civilian neighborhoods.
• 1:53:25
  We just won't do that. Should
• 1:53:28
  there be a rule? You don't just shoot into
• 1:53:30
  a car unless you could. Unless
• 1:53:34
  you are. Unless they're shooting from the car
• 1:53:39
  at the cops. The cops should not be firing at
• 1:53:43
  anyone in the car. Yeah yeah agreed.
• 1:53:47
  These blind shots. It's just outrageous.
• 1:53:53
  When you when you see a situation where it's
• 1:53:54
  the cop fires. It's one thing if somebody's
• 1:53:58
  shooting at you. I get it, right? But if you don't
• 1:54:01
  know who's in the car how do you know there's
• 1:54:04
  not a baby in the car or how do you know there's
• 1:54:07
  not a kid in the car? What was that? There was
• 1:54:09
  a recent story that we did where. Didn't they
• 1:54:11
  shoot into the car? They did something into the
• 1:54:13
  car? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the Bronx. Yeah. And
• 1:54:17
  it was a kid in the car. I think it was
• 1:54:19
  the ICE agent. ICE shot into the car. And they
• 1:54:23
  claimed that, the guy was weaponizing
• 1:54:26
  his vehicle. In reality, he was trying to leave
• 1:54:29
  because he thought he was being attacked by random
• 1:54:31
  thugs. And they jumped in front of him. He was.
• 1:54:35
  And then the ICE guys jumped in front of the
• 1:54:39
  car to try to stop him. And they lost, and they
• 1:54:42
  got scared, and they shot him. After jumping
• 1:54:45
  into one of the cars and putting themselves in
• 1:54:47
  danger. Uh-huh. Fucking great cars. What was
• 1:54:51
  it? Trayvon Martin, right? Where the guy's stalking
• 1:54:55
  him. Random guy. Right. Stalking him. Gets into
• 1:54:59
  a fight. Self-appointed community watch. Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  Gets his ass kicked. And then pulls out a gun.
• 1:55:04
  And shoots and kills the kid. Right. And you're
• 1:55:07
  sitting there, wait a minute, how does this
• 1:55:09
  work? So I can literally stalk somebody. I can
• 1:55:12
  get into a fight with somebody, meaning I can
• 1:55:14
  stalk, start a fight, lose a fight, and then
• 1:55:17
  say self-defense. Really, you can do that? Yeah,
• 1:55:21
  where's the self-defense when you started the
• 1:55:23
  fight? The cops told him to go home. And it's,
• 1:55:27
  you're talking about doing a case where
• 1:55:29
  you intentionally lose the case? The prosecution
• 1:55:33
  didn't even push that case. I'm sorry. It's crazy.
• 1:55:35
  Well, in the situation in Mississippi, I thought
• 1:55:39
  it was interesting that the attorney general
• 1:55:41
  said well this is justified for us but there's
• 1:55:43
  no report. It literally is just a sentence
• 1:55:47
  yeah we feel it was justified for us.
• 1:55:50
  You didn't do a report. You didn't say this happened
• 1:55:53
  that happened. This is why we think it's okay.
• 1:55:54
  Here's what the vid. Here's what the cam footage
• 1:55:57
  showed. Oh so they haven't released the camera
• 1:56:00
  footage yet either. No, there is. They have not
• 1:56:04
  released the official body cam footage, but there
• 1:56:07
  was surveillance video that surfaced that didn't
• 1:56:10
  seem to completely belie the cop's story. Maybe
• 1:56:13
  the baby had a gun. Maybe the baby tried to get
• 1:56:16
  the cop. True. True. He's a terrorist with Al-
• 1:56:21
  Qaeda. Right. Right. Maybe the baby was a terrorist.
• 1:56:25
  Maybe the baby was threatening. Who knows? I'm
• 1:56:27
  surprised the cop didn't say, look, the baby
• 1:56:29
  was very threatening to me. I was terrified.
• 1:56:31
  Yeah I didn't like the looks of him. Oh that's
• 1:56:33
  one of the arguments that they made. Remember
• 1:56:35
  with Tamir Rice they said oh he was
• 1:56:38
  nine years old and they said well I thought he
• 1:56:41
  was older because he was tall for his age. 10
• 1:56:45
  seconds. So so as let's just say that
• 1:56:49
  as a guy who's six two I take offense to the
• 1:56:52
  idea that the taller you are the more justified
• 1:56:54
  it is to shoot you, right? That child looked threatening
• 1:56:59
  to me. Okay. Okay. That baby was threatened. Yeah.
• 1:57:04
  I was very curious on whether they had body cam
• 1:57:06
  footage. Look, it also, I can't help,
• 1:57:09
  but think it's Mississippi. It's the South. You
• 1:57:12
  know, they think, well, if we're going to
• 1:57:13
  kill people, the cops can do what they
• 1:57:15
  want. We don't owe any explanations to anyone.
• 1:57:18
  And that's just really not the world we live
• 1:57:20
  in anymore. Thank God. That is, I believe
• 1:57:25
  this was a black child. I'm not sure about that.
• 1:57:28
  Let me see if I can see find a picture. I could
• 1:57:32
  totally be wrong but it's. Yeah but when it's
• 1:57:36
  Mississippi you do. It's a black. Yeah I have a
• 1:57:39
  photo. It's a adorable black child. Yeah and what
• 1:57:43
  was the excuse that the driver was trying to
• 1:57:45
  run away? Yeah that's it. And so what if he was?
• 1:57:49
  So that's they claim that. They always claim that
• 1:57:55
  it's never true. It's never true. You shouldn't
• 1:57:59
  be shooting in the cars blindly. And you shouldn't
• 1:58:01
  be stepping into the way of a car to put yourself
• 1:58:03
  in danger and then scream that I had to shoot
• 1:58:05
  him because I was terrified and in danger because
• 1:58:07
  he tried to hit me. They need to cut that shit
• 1:58:09
  out. I hate it when they do that. You can see
• 1:58:10
  it on videos when they do it. They would step
• 1:58:12
  in front of a car. And then when the car looks
• 1:58:14
  it's about to hit him, it was, oh my
• 1:58:16
  God, I got to shoot. Don't step in front of the
• 1:58:19
  car. Self-fulfilling bullshit. All right. That's
• 1:58:24
  it for today's show. Always a pleasure. We will
• 1:58:28
  be back tomorrow, but it'll be a prerecord of
• 1:58:32
  an interview with Thaddeus Russell, who's the
• 1:58:36
  author of Savior and Seducer, How America Deals
• 1:58:43
  with the World. Would you hate it if I grabbed
• 1:58:45
  him for my show? I would love to talk to him.
• 1:58:47
  Not at all. Grab him. Okay. Did you submit his
• 1:58:50
  information? I only had the chance. Will do.
• 1:58:53
  He was fantastic. And Robby had a good interaction
• 1:58:56
  with him too. And then TMI show will be live
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