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Ty & Bob Pod S5 E7: Motor City Mayhem · Go Long Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to another edition of the Time Bob Pod,
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  SPEAKER_00: your weekly two-hour dose of NFC North discussion analysis,
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  SPEAKER_00: play-by-play, player-by-player, position-by-position, dissection by one Bob McGinn.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a He's a seventh grade biology student with the scalpel just picking away at that frog.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember doing that back in the day?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you guys?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was the formaldehyde, the smell, the guts, all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you enjoy it or were you repulsed by it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Tyler, I didn't have that till sophomore year of biology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I said middle school.
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  SPEAKER_00: It might've been later.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we were poking away at stuff pretty early though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: growing up in the country,
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  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, with my grandfather, my dad, my brother, they're all hunters.
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  SPEAKER_00: I saw, I learned how to gut a deer pretty early.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was exposed to that early on in my youth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of like a biology class of sorts.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm going to finally get into hunting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been the black sheep for too long.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's time to take out the family tradition here, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: Taking my hunter safety course right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome, Tee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever get into hunting yourself out there in Wisconsin?
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  SPEAKER_01: Rough grouse, which is also called partridge.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hunted them and that's, that's about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: No deer hunting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Deer hunting numbers are way down in the state of Michigan, you know, Wisconsin too.
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  SPEAKER_01: People just don't do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's great that you're taking it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can remember the,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the buy a buck program out there in Wisconsin where you could only shoot a buck
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  SPEAKER_00: if, You got so many dough because they were so overpopulated.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure we've got hunters that listen to the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: They'll fill us in on the details.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was cool talking to Travis Glover out there also in Green Bay,
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  SPEAKER_00: the right guard for the Packers.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like trying to find stuff to get into,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: third year in Wisconsin and took up bow fishing up in Suamico with a bow through
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  SPEAKER_00: the water with some teammates.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's got a compound bow,
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  SPEAKER_00: does 3D archery over in De Pere, and he's finally ready to get into hunting himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks to everybody for reading that story.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a player that I don't think a lot of folks know anything about,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I certainly did not.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot more to Travis Glover than what meets CI.
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  SPEAKER_00: So how's life, Bob?
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  SPEAKER_00: Before we get into all things Packers,
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  SPEAKER_00: like I said to Bob,
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want to talk about that game at all with Bob before hitting record.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you think about this 20 to 17 outcome,
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  SPEAKER_00: what you think about the officiating, anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I want to be surprised right with our viewers and listeners.
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  SPEAKER_00: But first, before we get into all of that, what's new out there in beautiful Saline, Michigan?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've been back for a week and a half now on my family trip,
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  SPEAKER_01: investigation trip up out to the West, upper Midwest.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you see the shirt I'm wearing now, Tyler?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they can see that at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: For the listeners, St. Thomas Tommies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: A T and an S. Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: So St. Thomas is in St. Paul.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where my dad went after he graduated from Thief River Falls High School,
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  SPEAKER_01: way up in the corner of Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't know why he was sent.
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  SPEAKER_01: The family was Irish Catholic, and that's a Catholic school.
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  SPEAKER_01: But why he would go, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: The only way to get there really was a train.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he would have taken the Sioux line 300 miles down to St. Paul.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we spent a couple of days on campus there at UST.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're now FCS and football.
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  SPEAKER_01: Five years ago, they made the move from D3 to FCS.
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  SPEAKER_01: They jumped right past D2.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they've kind of, you know, taken the program off.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I checked all the yearbooks.
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  SPEAKER_01: At St. Thomas special collection libraries and the lady brought out a bunch of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he was a starter in football, basketball, and baseball.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he played on the 1922 team, which won their first conference champion.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are the Tommies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one thing he told me,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was nine when he passed away and we were looking at one
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  SPEAKER_01: of those very same yearbooks at our house in Escanaba, Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said he played next to one of the first giants,
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  SPEAKER_01: Walt Kiesling,
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  SPEAKER_01: K-I-E-S-L-I-N-G.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Kiesling told him, he said, Dennis, they played next to each other on the line.
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  SPEAKER_01: My dad was a tight end.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kiesling was a tackle.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, Denny, he said, anybody pick on you?
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  SPEAKER_01: He says, you just let me know and I'll take care of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, one thing about Kiesling, Tyler, he is in Canton.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Pro Football Hall of Fame from St. Thomas College at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was a giant, I saw all the pictures of him, 6'2", babyface, like 250.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, he was massive at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: He played 13 years in the NFL, a couple with the Packers, won a ring in that 35 or 36 title.
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  SPEAKER_01: Later became head coach of the Steelers.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had a rough go during World War II, but he was head coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: NFL assistant, NFL assistant in Green Bay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he had quite a career.
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  SPEAKER_01: My dad, when the Steelers would play the Packers in the 50s or 40s,
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  SPEAKER_01: my dad would take my older brother down to Old City Stadium and go into
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  SPEAKER_01: the Steeler locker room after the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brother remembered the Steelers were all smoking after the game, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: They probably got their butts kicked.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were smoking these guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love those stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gosh,
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  SPEAKER_00: don't you just wish you could slip into a time machine and go back to those 40s
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  SPEAKER_00: and 50s, Bob, when you're learning about
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  SPEAKER_01: all of this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do I ever.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want to know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know where the field was,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I see the pictures of the leather helmets and all black and white pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I definitely do, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to know what the hitting was like.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's kind of bringing me to what I've been doing with our kids here down
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  SPEAKER_00: in Western New York as much as I can.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've mentioned it's you, Bob,
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  SPEAKER_00: but my grandfather, Hugh,
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  SPEAKER_00: the patriarch,
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  SPEAKER_00: the man who changed our family in more ways than I could ever detail two hours on
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  SPEAKER_00: a podcast, is ill,
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  SPEAKER_00: not doing well,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's really given us the opportunity to hear his stories and to go into
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  SPEAKER_00: that time machine back Through his years,
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  SPEAKER_00: his life,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: taking a train for several days out to Alaska to get into the service
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  SPEAKER_00: and just hearing what life was like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, almost a century ago, it's been blowing all of our minds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I bring the kiddos over and they have all the questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Boppy, we call him Boppy, just an unbelievable human being.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just hope to be a fraction of the grandfather, dad, brother, That he's been in his life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really important.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've talked to you offline a bunch about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: But like you said, Ty, bring your phone, hit record.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've been trying to do that as much as possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just to have that archive, to hear his voice for years and years will be great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll be hitting play again and again and again.
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  SPEAKER_01: In another week or two,
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  SPEAKER_01: my three kids and I, we're going to get together on a four-way phone call.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to tell them everything about this trip.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want them to know, and I don't want to forget it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: that could happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're kind of like that by nature as reporters.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, got to hit record, got to document, got to make sure you have it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I trust my memory, but I don't really trust my memory years from now.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: What should we start with here in the NFC North?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's start with the Sunday night game, huh?
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  SPEAKER_01: Detroit 20, Green Bay 17.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you want to start, Tyler, chatting about the generalities of it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I wrote on it at golongtd.com for those who didn't check it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: It I think I even wrote this verbatim.
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  SPEAKER_00: By no means do I want this to be a blame the refs column because the Packers did
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  SPEAKER_00: a bang up job losing this game on their own volition between all of
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  SPEAKER_00: the dropped passes and two missed chip shot field goals.
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  SPEAKER_00: And gosh, still, I can't get over the first drive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just not going for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're at the three yard line.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just, just go for a touchdown.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, kind of game this is going to be against Dan Campbell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, And I hesitate because I don't want to be a prisoner of the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we do this every week.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know Jim Monas, we're going to hit record on our podcast tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he is going to dismiss officiating as a nothing burger.
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  SPEAKER_00: I read it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm with him, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hate talking about this shit.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to talk about the refs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not exclusive to the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions
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  SPEAKER_00: and what we saw 425 Eastern time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every game that I turn on, Bob, it's repulsive.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the NFL is conditioning us to expect a flag every play.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it started Thursday night with the Bears-Patriots, and we'll get into that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no flow.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no rhythm.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's going to be human error.
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  SPEAKER_00: Refs are going to screw up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's part of the job.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's part of what everybody signs up for.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, man, in this Green Bay Detroit game, there were just some truly egregious calls.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll go through them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, what popped to mind, the Devontae Wyatt.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if he does just quit on that play,
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  SPEAKER_00: if he goes full Matthias Kiwanuka,
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  SPEAKER_00: Vince Young, 2006,
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  SPEAKER_00: 4th and 10,
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  SPEAKER_00: and let's Amon Ross St. Brown, he wasn't quitting on the play Amon Ross St. Brown.
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  SPEAKER_00: Score a touchdown.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's who you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically,
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  SPEAKER_00: for the rest of your football life,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're Devontae Wyatt, the guy who gave up on a play.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I love what he said after the game to reporters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's been 100 out of 100 times.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's going to try to make the play, make the tackle.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the defiance in which the umpire threw the flag from his back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the pool report.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's the roughing the passer penalties.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's the intentional grounding.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's all sorts of.
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  SPEAKER_00: Horrible calls in this game.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think what probably pisses me off most, Bob, is just the lack of accountability.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got these players and these coaches,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they stand at podiums,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they answer our questions after the games,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they're held accountable in the media,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they're held accountable in their jobs.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they screw up, they're cut.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they do something really wrong, they're suspended or benched, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's true accountability,
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  SPEAKER_00: and instead with officials – All we get are these just defiant pool reports.
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  SPEAKER_00: They always crack me up, the verbiage in these pool reports.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for those who don't know,
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  SPEAKER_00: when there's a controversial call,
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  SPEAKER_00: there'll be a reporter who talks to the head official about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they can never own up to anything in these pool reports ever.
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  SPEAKER_00: They double down, triple down, quadruple down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the wording on the Devontae Wyatt play, it just blew my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who was the head official?
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  SPEAKER_00: Alex Moore, I want to say.
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  SPEAKER_00: Quote, the play was over.
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  SPEAKER_00: The play was over.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was an additional act.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just, I think that,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the officials would get a token of grace from the public after all
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  SPEAKER_00: of these roughing the passers and Unnecessary roughnesses and all of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If there was just a little contrition and a little honesty and a hand that goes up
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  SPEAKER_00: and says, that was bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't it great when like Dean Blandino,
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  SPEAKER_00: who was ironically enough,
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  SPEAKER_00: he was the rules analyst on this game with Tom Brady and Kevin Burkhart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even on the Carl Brooks play, Blandino's like, yeah, that's a teaching tape sack.
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  SPEAKER_00: He tackles him and rolls to the side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Blandino caught so much shit, right, over the years.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Dez Bryant, I think he was always popping up.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he owned it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every week he put a video out explaining the controversial call.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was some transparency where there's no transparency now.
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  SPEAKER_00: That drives me nuts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in general, everybody should just agree that –
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're going five miles over the speed limit, you let it slide.
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  SPEAKER_00: You kind of know what something illegal is when you see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's such a quick trigger.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like the hands at the flag, they've got a quota to meet, and they're going to get you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want less bureaucracy in my life, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not more.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get them out of my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: The refs should be about this big.
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  SPEAKER_00: They should be a speck in our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get the hell out of the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, when Brian Branch does hit Tucker Craft head to head, it's not called.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's I'm not saying that Green Bay was hosed.
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  SPEAKER_00: They would have won the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, if any of these go the other way, they probably do win the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: My gripe is just you turn on any game.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what you see.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching the Ravens, the Bengals and the one o'clock slot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you catch this boy?
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  SPEAKER_00: He gets cut by Derrick Henry.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's cut.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's falling down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he falls down in the pulling yard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they call him for the illegal block.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought Zach Taylor was going to have an out-of-body experience or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's losing his mind on the sideline, as he should.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the ball don't lie.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bengals just blew him out of the water in the second half.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's every game.
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  SPEAKER_00: There isn't a game you watch and you say, oh, that was...
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, until you get to the playoffs, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When it's January, magically they swallow their whistles.
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  SPEAKER_00: So why not do that now, Bob?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why not just swallow your whistles now?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let them play.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll shut the hell up.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, usually there were a lot of penalties the first two or three weeks,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then it would subside.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you're right, then they don't do any in the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I find myself now,
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  SPEAKER_01: if I'm watching a game live,
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  SPEAKER_01: 20-yard pass or something, you want to look for that yellow flag box, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there a flag?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there a penalty?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because there's so many now downfield.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the stuff about roughing the passer,
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  SPEAKER_01: I started on that 20 years ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: writing about it,
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: talking about it,
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: just like, you know, put a dress on the quarterbacks and all that kind of stuff.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm just so used to it and defeated by it
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: that I don't even – these were excessive, certainly egregious calls.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't really think that much about it.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's such an easy job playing quarterback nowadays, Tyler.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've got to pick out a receiver against all these eight-man pressures
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: and all this stuff.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fine.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: But you know you're not going to get drilled.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get concussed or smashed.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: All these quarterbacks,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, Don Mikulski, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers early.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: They were just getting hammered.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different world.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get hammered anymore.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love has been hit more than any quarterback in football,
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't think there's been one roughing the passer penalty called on him,
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: and Green Bay's had eight of their own defensively.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: This So they're very selective with this all.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not mean-spirited hits anymore.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Almost never.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: The roughing the passer penalties are chicken shit many times or just gratuitous shots.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Looks good for the owners, looks good for the commissioner, the head of the officials.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: But they're not that vicious body contact that I'd kind of like to see personally, but...
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm a little weird.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: God, you're voiced the football gods' collective ears because I don't know why
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: the NFL continues to think they can find this magical middle ground.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: selling us,
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: oh, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, it's getting safer, it's getting safer.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: You have to own what you are.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: As long as there's blocking and tackling,
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: which there will be, For the foreseeable future, there will be injuries.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: There will be hits.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: There will be lines crossed.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: You've got 22 moving parts colliding at angles in which humans were never meant to collide.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's okay.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's why people tune in.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: They tune in because these are
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: the modern-day gladiators doing something they can't imagine doing themselves.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love how they dipped their toe in a flag football with the Pro Bowl and nobody cared at all.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody...
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if they were watching, it was on in the background.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody actually enjoys that.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's not going to replace the NFL.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: At least I hope not in our lifetime.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they've got it coming to the Olympics.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: But people need to tune in because there is a chance that somebody could get hurt.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is unsafe.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: It is octagon-like.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is, God, what's that old adage about pornography?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what it is when you see it?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think we kind of know what a dirty hit is when you see it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: And there was a point, you know, all the jacked up highlights from ESPN.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you pull those up and it's like,
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: okay, yeah, it's good that those hits have been cleansed from the game.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'd say the early 2000s,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking of James Harrison on the cover of Sports Illustrated taking
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: on Mohamed Massaquah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that was an inflection point.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's incredible that we're learning more about concussions and CTE and brain trauma.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: My gripe is just put it all out in the open.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Let players know what they're getting into.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let the public know.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Let's stop the farce of this being safe when it's not.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: And live in the inherent violence.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Don't try to run from it because you can't run from it unless you are just going
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: to go full flag football, which you're not going to because nobody would watch.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I say that now and God, watch and watch.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: 20 years, he'll be flag football and, you know, infinite gambling apps, lives ruined.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: How are the ratings right now?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen anything about that this season?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: The last I checked,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it seems like they're through the roof setting this record and that record.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, who knows how they calculate that all when they're putting the numbers out themselves.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of the point, right?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, they know,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: everybody that was watching that Packers-Lions game,
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: you've got arguably the greatest player ever,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: an owner,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: by the way,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Tom Brady,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders,
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: bitching about the calls and say how horrendous this is.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I even tweeted, like, man, it's refreshing to hear a broadcaster's Verbalizing this.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: J.J. Watt, he was going after that Boye Mafé call.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not going to change anything.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's not.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's how the life cycle works.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: People lose their minds on Sunday.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: It becomes fodder for Monday.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Tuesday, everybody kind of catches their breath.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Wednesday, you're getting ready for the next game.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Then Thursday, the Packers play the Panthers.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting ready to gamble, bet.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting ready to your fantasy team, you know.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, get your promo codes in,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: get your parlays all lined up,
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: get your fantasy teams ready,
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: take the tranquilizer to the ass and forget about what you just saw on Sunday.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so we got to discuss what we are left with here, a game, right, Tyler?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you're in agreement with me?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: I feared that you were going to go the other way and
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Go full bonus on me.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a hard game to watch.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's a hard game to watch.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's not, it's not really an enjoyable experience.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, all right.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we got, let's look at the standings in the NFC North 19 and seven, Tyler.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Two more victories over, I can't remember who they beat, Indianapolis and New England.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: 19-7, that's a 7-3-1 winning percentage.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: In second place, AFC North, 18-9, 6-6-7.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a hell of a league right now.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay, which I still think might have the best team, is in last place at 4-3.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they play the awful Carolina Panthers,
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: their awful defense anyway, on Thursday night in Green Bay, right?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's start with the Lions, okay?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the receivers really came through.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: St. Brown, 9 for 1, 5, 3.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Jamo Williams, 5 for 91.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Packers just sit back and zone, you know.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's basically all they do.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when Goff has time, he picks them apart.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: When he doesn't, incompletes happen.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: When he has time, he's just going to pick that zone apart.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Of Jonathan Gannon.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he did.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: St. Brown can find an opening.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Williams had a good game.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Laporta, no targets until the last three minutes of the game.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Tesla, he was a non-factor.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, that guy's a hell of a blocker.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Man, one time on third and five on a toss,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: he went in there and Knocked down Bullard, the nickel.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it was a hell of a block.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: The carry was for seven.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the offensive line.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: is it the first game Mays has played the, or was he injured in the second game?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, we saw Cade Mays play an entire game here against good opponents.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: So how was Mays?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Of their five starters, he was clearly the least effective.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: First play of the game, though, I mean, he came out firing.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: He knocked the rookie McClellan way off the ball, gained a six.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote down he owned McClellan early, but that didn't stand the 60 minutes.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had a false start when he didn't snap the ball.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a bull rush sack to that Riley guy who was off IR, Jordan Riley.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: That was in 3.0.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: He fumbled the exchange with Goff.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: You got to figure it was on Mays, but we don't know that for sure.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bad run against McClellan.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: He had half a bad run against Riley and another bad run against Wyatt.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, almost all the bad runs were really on him.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're staying with him.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Juice...
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Drew Scruggs played darn well, but Mays is a bigger body.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at the size difference on those two players.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Mays came from Tennessee, I believe.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Mays, who entered the league.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't put him down because he just got activated.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's not on my yellow list.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I dropped the ball, Tyler.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Give me 10 pushups.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to the left tackle.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, I thought Sewell just kind of owned Van Ness in this game.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Van Ness almost had nothing going.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sewell was really good.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: What a player, man.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: The left guard was Mahogany.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: He was real physical in this thing.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: I got him for one bad run, no hurries, and one false start.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Ratledge, the right guard.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's improving, Tyler.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: You did the thing on him last year.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's not playing as high as he did last year.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: He had half a bad run when he missed McDuffie, the backer.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I hurt his right shoulder.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: It looked like he was really hurt and stayed in the game.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then the right tackle, Miller.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was good.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Two bad runs.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have any real bad pressures over there.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Green base pass rush, their four-man rush is pretty minimal, and I think he played well, too.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the running backs.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Gibbs played 61 out of 68 snaps.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is that going to catch up to him?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had a good block on a blitz pickup against Bullard.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: 12-yard surge through the A-gap.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Man, the guy, he's a hell of a, he's got a hell of a explosiveness for a kid his size.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: He ran a delay against Hopper, gain of 15.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: He fumbled
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: the ball on a punch out.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember who had the punch out, but it was a hell of a play.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was going in.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: That was at the Green Bay 7.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: He broke a tackle by Evan Williams, gained an extra 13 out of 15.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You don't break Evan too many times.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And he's smart.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: He could have scored twice, but he knew the situation, and he fell down.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Goff.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: I will say this, though.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: There was a point in our game day chat where we discussed the merits of the slide.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: The first one, I wondered –
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: With all the kicker uncertainty,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: maybe this is the Trey smack-itis at the forefront of our brains.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing's guaranteed on a kick.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking maybe a score here, Jameer.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: What would you prefer your running back to?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: But then Jordan Loves throws the bomb and you get a 70-yard T.I.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: and they're in the end zone.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was more of a debate than it was conveyed.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I forget how it was discussed with Brady and Burkhart.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because, I mean,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: we always praise those players for taking a knee and melting the clock
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: and working it.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: And usually that's what you should do.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know, man.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's just a Trey smack thing.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: But these kicks, you never know.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is a Trey smack thing.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: You saw that graphic at the end when he missed.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: He missed at 35 and 26 in this game.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: The graphic said from 35 and under.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: One other NFL kicker had missed all season.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: One in the first six weeks.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then you just took my take and put it in a body bag.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well done, Bob.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty rare.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just being a contrarian.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Goff.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: He leads the league in passer rating, I don't know, 117 or some crazy thing.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's got receivers.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: His line now is intact.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's accurate.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's decisive.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's really smart.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's competitive as hell.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's durable.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: He never gets hurt.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now the fumble exchange occurred, okay.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: There were two near interceptions in the fourth quarter by Evan Williams.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: One was a flat drop, terrible throw.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: He was feeling the pressure there because the whole game was moving towards Greenback.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he climbed the pocket once on that 40-yard touchdown to, uh, Jamo.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was a 10-yard touchdown to Jamo.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 10 yards.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, He threw a bad check down to Laporta.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he really fakes well on that play action stuff.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Late, he drilled Laporta on that 18-yard ball against Zone.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: He got knocked down on that one also.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was the cheap penalty.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it for the Lion offense.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe in the Lion offense, Tyler?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: They got only 20 points in this game.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's true.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Only 20 points.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Eyeball tests, though, yeah.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love the firepower all over the field.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's just so many players that can kill you any given play.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Amara St. Brown, he went off in this game, but Jamison Williams, his speed is rare.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Jameer Gibbs, possibly the best running back in football, though you raise a good point.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: These touches do add up.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: He faded down the stretch last year.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: How much of that?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: But they've kind of said from day one, I remember being out there in OTAs.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've made no bones about it.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: We are feeding Jameer Gibbs this year.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: We are putting a ton on his plate.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: He did all the MMA training.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: They jettisoned David Montgomery out to Houston for Juice Scruggs, who you noted played well.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Juice Scruggs, crazy story.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: We did that a couple years ago.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: If people want to Google it, check it out.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: I talked to him for a feature.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that one, Bob?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: On the I-79?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Driving back when he was in college at Penn State,
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think he was in his buddy's car,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: if I remember right, and hit some black ice and started fishtailing.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a seatbelt on, thank God.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Somehow,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: it was this tiny little car,
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: his big old body fit through the window, smashed out, and it saved his life.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: If he would have stayed in the car, he was told he could have been killed.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Nuts.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so he's playing well, you tell me.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I still love this Detroit offense.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's the defense that concerns me.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird that it was a 2017 game.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: The turnovers and drives ending on downs and just weird stuff happening with all
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: the weird calls.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I still think Detroit is in pretty good shape here.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to the D.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: The D was better with Brian Branch.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get to him in a second, but that makes a big difference.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: They kind of got some mileage out of the cornerbacks and stopped the long,
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: unerring, accurate balls from Jordan Love.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they gave up 17 points and only 324 yards and 17 first downs.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's a five for 15 on third down.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they played pretty darn good.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now they had the home field, huge noise advantage.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: This game was not in Lambeau.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: So take it with a grain of salt.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's start with Hutchinson.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Just OK.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Morgan's playing really good football right now.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: He has improved so much from last couple of years and then early this season.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: The opener, I think it was in the second game.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Hutchinson had run stuff against Morgan early.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: He batted a bubble behind him.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of like Van Ginkle in Minnesota.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're threats for the picks.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: He had a sack against Morgan in 1.8.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Hell of a play.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against Belton, and he got a holding penalty on an upward charge against Belton.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, that was it.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was a slow day for Hutchinson.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Over on the other side, You got a couple guys.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: You got Derek Moore, the rookie.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's not showing any pass rush, and that's got to come.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Gil Howard, a three technique, the rookie inside.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't get anything done, really.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Tyleek Williams played good as the nose.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry on the goal line.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against the young center, the third string center.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get to him.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against Glover, the right guard that you profiled.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: He had a run stuff against the center Williams.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: He was really good early second half.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: He slowed down.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Another also kind of a quiet day for Aleem McNeil.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got him for one run stuff against Glover.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not a whole lot in the past.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: That ball was out of there.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it wasn't him getting pressure.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Lacey, 21 snaps, just kind of a guy.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: On Wazuriki, they kept him around another year, 14 snaps.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy's got all this ability.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: He just hasn't come through in Detroit.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nowoski, you know, as a technician, man, he moves beautifully.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's perfect on his drops.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's in that flat one time.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Against Kraft, the ball was incomplete.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was in perfect position.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: He had to run stuff against the young center, John Williams.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the linebackers.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Campbell?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think he did a whole lot in this game.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: He got beat by Kraft, man coverage, 14-yard touchdown.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: He had one run stuff against Morgan.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's around...
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets credit for tackles,
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: but he wasn't really playing across the line and he wasn't making big brawny hits.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: He had 11 tackles.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just hold him to a really high standard.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Derek Barnes, he was in some man coverage and he had some problems.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Jacobs on that touchdown.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Jacobs got an extra 16 when he was late to the sideline.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: He got an unnecessary roughness hit,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: which was a terrible hit after Lloyd dropped the check down.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he covered Redmond, the tight end, deep one time, good coverage.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Played every snap, Derek, 67 out of 67.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the secondary.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Three, four.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: So they played, okay, branches back.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: They played seven guys.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody, and McCrary, He's the only guy who played every snap, 67.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Usually your corners and safeties will play every snap, barring injury.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: But in this game, they alternated more.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of an interesting approach,
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: and it's the best that secondaries look probably in over a month.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: McCrary, he gave up the fade to Golden for 22 early, but then I thought he held up real well.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Reed, DJ.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: He had a good game.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Strong run force early, solo tackle, gain a one.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and four on the right flat, he got golden down.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was a hell of a play.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was man coverage, no gain, Detroit's ball.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: He made a great open field tackle on golden on another situation.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he broke up a ball 25 yards deep to Golden.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Big game for him.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Rakestraw, what was he, a second round pick in 2024, correct?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and five, they threw an over route to Savion Williams, man coverage gain at 27.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: But other than that, I thought he was all right.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: He only played 21.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: The former starter, Rakia Sin, came in, played 14.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: He stopped Savion on a bubble, made a hell of a play.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: He just kind of helped.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Dorsey, Khalil Dorsey, who's just been a gunner basically his whole career.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: He replaced Rick Straw sometimes.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: He played 14 snaps.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: They kept trying him deep, and the kid held up.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's just a little guy, but he played good game.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Safety's Branch.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he played 45 out of 67, so they broke him in easy coming off the Achilles.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: just his sense of
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: balance
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: and his sense of integrity to that defense and his brain
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: and his size and his moxie, it
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: lent a real degree of importance to that defense.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: His first big hit was in the middle of the third quarter.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: He had a run fill on, I believe it was,
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd gained a two.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: He high-pointed that bomb to Watson for a pick,
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: and he had another explosive hit on Lloyd on a gain of four.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I assume he'll play a few more snaps next week.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big plus.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now, do they get Kirby Joseph down with that degenerative knee?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: No one knows when or if.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Clark, the veteran safety, played 55.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's really a nice tackler.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: You got to say that for him.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And he caused an incompletion one time with a really strong low hit on Christian Watson.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Abney, the
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: fifth round pick, yeah, played 34 snaps.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Kraft on the flat, extra eight.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped an easy end zone interception at the end line.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: He missed a tackle on Jacob's touchdown.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: That was an extra six dancing down that sideline.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: But all in all, it was a pretty good combination.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bates had the game winner from 22.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: He also hit from 40, both off the left pass.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: His kickoffs, not very good directionally, just one of four on the numbers are outside.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Fox, his first punt, I had it at 5.51 hang time.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding me?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he had 52 gross, 42 net on two punts.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Their little return guy is DeAndre Carter, who's with the Bears.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's been with everybody.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is his 12th year.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's five, eight and a half, 185, came out running four, four.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had that 38 and a half vert at that size.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's a tough guy and he's been solid and dependable.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: He had a nice 15 yard punt return.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: He almost broke the second half kickoff.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, And then DJ Wanham had the block field goal.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it wasn't a block.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was a graze field goal.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Did it change the directory of the smack ill-fated kick?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's it on the Lions.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Tyler?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: What percent did that cause the miss?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: You see his finger flicker.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Two of them.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Two of them.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh, it had to have had an effect,
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: but I wasn't very good at physics,
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: and I never took physics in high school or college for that matter,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: so I would just be talking out of my ass.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: That'd
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: be physics,
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: I got a C in high school as a junior in physics, and I was glad to have it.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: C's for degrees.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Physics.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: We had a good,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: in our group chat from high school,
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: some of my buddies,
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: God, those in New York State can remember, it was, you had Math A and Math B.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of replaced the whole, whatever it was, Course 1 and Course 2 before us.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: And Math A lasted a year and a half.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Math B lasted a year and a half.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: And good Lord,
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: that Math A class,
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: and I think I took it a year ahead of time,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: so it would have been like 8th grade and 9th grade,
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: drove me nuts more than anything I took at Syracuse in college.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I remember ripping pages out of that textbook out of frustration.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was so pissed.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: But we were talking about it because, oh, poor Dan Orlovsky, ESPN.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: I guess he was on McAfee.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: You probably didn't see the clip where he admitted he didn't really know what
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: the word percent means and how it means a certain number out of 100.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it was all very foreign to him and he was very confused.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Orlovsky said that?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Correct, yes.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: Who was...
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Just an incredibly nice guy.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've met him.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bumped into him at Starbucks out at the Super Bowl week.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: We chatted for a long time.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: He reads, he listens, does a hell of a job there breaking down film.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Felt bad for him.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like, let's not, let's get out, Dan.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, hit eject.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Get out of there.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the guy kicked it terrible.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: He kicked it low.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: So block or no block, it's on him.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So let's move on.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Were you surprised that LaFleur defended him right away?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what LaFleur said.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see anything.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was asked in postgame if Trey Smack is his kicker moving forward.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I didn't hesitate.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Harrison Mevis, he was just cut.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he hit a game winner in the divisional playoff.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Icy cold the year prior in Chicago.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: So not out of the realm of possibility that you would challenge yourself to get better there.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: So he's missed two extra points, I believe.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: And where were his misses?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Seven.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's missed seven kicks in seven games total.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And against the Bears, he missed a couple.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know how far those misses were from?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's 11 for 16 on field goals.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's missed seven kicks.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I don't have the exact distances,
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: but it does feel like he has problems short to intermediate above all,
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: which is a
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: problem.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler, they were under 50 because for the year he's two for two on 50 plus.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said, oh, I think Kevin Burkhardt happened to say when I was watching it live, um,
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Their kicking game's been a problem for years.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: He kind of indicated that.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: A problem for years?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's been an absolute strength with Chris Jackie, Ryan Longwell, and Mason Crosby.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding me?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's 30 years of excellence.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: Jan Stennerud before that.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go to the pack on offense.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: A disappointing day.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, those guys couldn't make plays deep.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: The longest completion out of 45 balls was 28 yards to Watson when he was wide open
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: on fourth and two against zone coverage.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they did not get it done despite
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Those balls are deadly, aren't they, Tyler, that this guy throws?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's the master of the lob.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they just come down there and they nestle in their arms.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there's Golden dropping that ball against Reed.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: He has very shaky hands.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: He ran a fade slot against McCrary for 22.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: That was his highlight.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: He goes and misses Rakia Sin on that bubble screen over there.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Blows the block.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody gets blown up behind him with the ball.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Then you look at his body and it's just kind of like, oh, woe is me.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where that guy's coming from, but okay, Watson.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Red flag of sorts to you, Bob?
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit, yeah.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: The hands and
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: lack of, for lack of a better word, toughness.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Never talked to him.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea what kind of guy he is.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Watson, Savion Williams, 40 snaps for the third-year guy, is he now?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Second-year guy.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they featured him early, fourth and five.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: He ran the over route against Rakestraw for 27.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was the inside guy on a trip to the left.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: They come under the formation in motion.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to try to hand it to him on counters like Detroit does with St.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Brown or throw the ball in the flat.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: One time on a reverse, he was really impatient, didn't wait for his blocking.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: The gain was one.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Tight end Kraft.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: He beat Campbell bad on that man coverage.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's not Campbell's strength.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's not a Fred Warner or
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: The great backers with speed, you know.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: But he is a really good player.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, got Kraft blocked while in this game, I thought.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: John O'Smith, 17 snaps.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wiley, 7.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Redmond, 17.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: LaFleur's playing all these tight ends, all of the Rams last couple years.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: Redmond had a bad run on the goal line against Derrick Moore.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's one thing Derrick can do is stop.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Stuff the hell out of the tight end.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the offensive line.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: So let's start at center.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: So they lose Ryan with an ankle injury
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: on the fourth play when Jacobs crashed
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: into him from behind.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes out and they bring up Monk who's been out with a knee injury for about,
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think a knee for about four games.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: And almost immediately, he plays five snaps.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: And on that fifth snap, he wrecks his quad and he ends up on IR.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: So they come with John Williams, who I don't think has ever played.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's the seventh round pick.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: So let's look at this guy because he really did a hell of a job.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Williams, seventh round pick and 25.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's barely over 6'4".
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: So he's center size.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: They've listed him as a tackle.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: 3-22 with a 5-2-3.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't take the test.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: He had 29 on the bench.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's got strength.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Arms fine, 33 and 7-8.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hands, massive, 11-inch hands.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you could see some of that.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes in there,
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: and I was expecting bad exchanges from under center,
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: shotgun snafu, situation normal, all effed up, right, Tyler?
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: You love those military acronyms, I guess they are.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Snap boo, man.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: And he struggles early.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a hurry to Tyleek Williams right away.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: A bad run to Williams.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: A bad run.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Nowoski one time.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Second half, the only thing I had was a knockdown on a stunt to Lacey.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that was questionable.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: He had no bad snaps.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: He played good football.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: And by the second half, he was coming off doubles just like a regular center would.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Coming off the lineman, getting to the second level, he played pretty darn good.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, Monk goes on IR and they activated Mekhi Becton.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at Mekhi.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Mekhi?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Mekhi?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Mekhi.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Mekhi.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: You can call him Mekhi though.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's in his seventh year team.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I just remember like yesterday writing about this battleship.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Super Bowl champ.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, six, seven and a half, three, five, seven at the combine.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yet he ran a five, one, one.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: He had 15 on the Wonderlic.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: He was a junior coming out, bad on the bench, 23.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: His arms, 35 and five eighths.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: His hand, 10 and three fourths.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: So he's a prototype, man, beyond that.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been with the Jets, and he was in the Super Bowl with the Eagles.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he got a ring.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: Now his career's falling.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they got to have a center.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: So Ryan, is he on IR, Ryan?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think so.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Out a month was the report right before we hit record.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they're going with Williams?
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the backup center?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Burton.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Burton was a center at Nebraska.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was inactive in this game.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's why.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: Could Zeitler play center?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did he play center at Wisconsin?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think back.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he can play it.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's their...
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: But John Williams, man, he did not lose this game.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: He played terrific.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a great story.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't read or anything what he said, what anybody said.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: I have no clue, but it was good.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about Morgan at left tackle.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Gave up the one sack, two bad runs.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any more pressures.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: He had a really good game.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the other tackle, Belton.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: One hurry to Hutch.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: He held Hutchinson, got a penalty.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Man, when Jacobs went right in for 10, he pancaked his man at the point of attack.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Belton's been good.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: Their tackle play, they couldn't ask for anything more.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Glover, Tyler, I got to admit, I want to read your story.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't had time yet.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: I will read it maybe tonight or tomorrow.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a hurry to Williams on the goal line.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a hurry to Williams.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: And a bad run against McNeil, and that's it.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a solid performance on the road with that cauldron of noise.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so that's the old line.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Running backs.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Real quick, let me jump in on Glover.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's good to hear,
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: because sometimes those
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: PFF numbers go viral still,
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: as much as PFF has changed, even for the worse from where it was.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you see a pressure number,
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: and
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the narrative takes hold that Travis Glover is the reason
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: the line isn't playing well.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching it just like you.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there were some rough moments, but I don't see him as the problem.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I get rolling with him offensively these last few weeks.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you did pay Zeitler four mil to play.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: How does he factor into it?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: I understand that debate, that discussion needs to be had, but...
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody painting Travis Glover as some sort of,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know I just sat down with him for a 5,000 word feature and there's,
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was really captivated by his story,
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: but still on the field,
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see him as the reason the run games didn't last, anything like that.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, is he as good as Tate Ratledge?
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, but they're both huge bodies, tall, big, but maybe not that far behind.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like Glover.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do I like him as much as Belton right now?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, not quite.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Close, though.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's been a good pickup.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Third year, I mean, they developed a guy.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: You got to give him a lot of credit for that.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's played good.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right, running backs, Jacobs, 35 snaps, Lloyd, 24, and Strong, eight.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Jacobs had 16 touches, 91 and a score.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Eight yards after the catch, right away on a check down, nice.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Came out of the backfield, fluid, gain of eight.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: 25-yard touchdown pass, eluded Barnes and Abney, phenomenal balance.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Third and six,
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: option route off to the right against Barnes,
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: gain of eight, great catch, Barnes was all over him.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was on the left, excuse me.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then the play of the game really for Green Bay,
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: he dropped that wheel route against Barnes over on the left side, touchdown.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: Would have been a 30 yard touchdown or 25.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Brutal.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: That ball was not tipped.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was really good coverage by Barnes.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a killer.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd, he took a really hard shot from Branch, kept going, made a four yard gain out of it.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's a tough guy to get hit by.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped the check down.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: He was okay.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Strong, didn't do anything.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Love.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: He came out throwing, man.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: First three plays, completions, looked great.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Went down, what'd they get him?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Field goal, I guess.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: They got a touchdown
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: right away, I think.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Lob City, we discussed this.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: The guy's deadly.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: He wasted a timeout at one point.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: He scrambled through the middle.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Found the wide open craft in the corner.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was a great play.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: He underthrew golden deep.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: Ball was incomplete.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: The guy was open deep.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: The intentional grounding didn't seem like a good call to me, but I don't know.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: Third and six, he made a great throw to Jacobs.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Tight coverage, gain of eight, and then the drop touchdown, which could have won the game.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the Pac-O.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: The drops are killers,
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: and it's a weekly occurrence,
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: and it's why you can't just blame the refs for everything in this one.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Packers had opportunities to win this game and to rise
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: above those horrendous calls, and that Jacobs one was huge.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: Bo Melton, Golden.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know how you fix that.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: You go to the jugs machine more.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's mental, I would think.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: Jacobs just hasn't played, too.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the D line.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you look at the numbers, Gibbs, 29 for 116, 4.0.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good job, man, on the road.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: When I look at it, the verbiage is not that good, but, you know, Brooks, 48, McClellan, 38.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Riley, 29, Campbell, 28, and Wyatt, 23.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: I thought they held up pretty damn well.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: They stay square.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Longest gain on the ground out of 33 runs was 15 yards.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: They hung in there, man.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: They clogged it up.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: They mucked it up.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: A pretty good effort.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, let's start with Riley.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, he's that massive guy who played some, was it last year?
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so Ford goes on IR.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: The other, Rob Dignagian knows.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Riley was a seventh-round pick in 23, 6'5".
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: 3-3-8.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: Played with the Giants.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's 5-3-0.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: He only had 10 on the test.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: Arms 33 and 3-8.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: The hand is 10.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he's almost the exact same size as Ford
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: with longer arms.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: How was he in this game?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bull sack against Mays in 3.0.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: The guy's got pass rush, man.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he had half a run stuff against Mays.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he was okay.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Brooks.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: He had to run stuff against Mahogany, minus five.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: He was offsides penalty, run stuff against Miller, the right tackle, Blake.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: He had the roughing the passer penalty, which is pretty ridiculous.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a neutral zone penalty,
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: which was ridiculous on his part, third and five at the two minute mark.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Penzing, the coordinator, motions three in from a wide.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: They come in, probably got his attention.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: Lost his concentration and jumps.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wyatt, Wyatt was not very good.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I know he's got an ankle injury and then he came back.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: He had the unnecessary, well, the call you described with St. Brown led to a touchdown.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Gibbs.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: That was an extra seven and he had to run stuff against Mays.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Wyatt has really done much.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, his whole career, they paid him this year.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: Three years, 57 mil.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: That was in July.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't see it.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: But all right, Campbell, the rookie, second year free agent, 6'6", 307.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a nice body.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's playing pretty good, Tyler.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just started.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was unblocked.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: He got KO'd at the point of attack one time by mahogany.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: That won't look good in the film.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a batted ball and a ball inside the tent.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's all right.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: And McClellan, I thought he got kind of dominated early, but he fought back.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: He had one run stuff.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, no, none of these guys are great players.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: But other than Wyatt, I thought the other four really battled pretty hard.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the edges.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: You got Van Ness, 42, Dennis Sutton, 34.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sorrell, 33, and Cox, 29.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: You got four guys.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's the rotation that's been all year.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: They all play pretty much the same with Ben S the most.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Are they any good?
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's just kind of an average group.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: They need Parsons.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: But, I mean,
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: they're not as good as Rashawn Gary was when he was going great in his years 3,
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: 4, 5.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are they as good as Smith, the tall ex-redskin?
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Van S. I mean, he got dominated by Sewell.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: He had nothing going as a pass rusher.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be a rough tape for him to watch.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Gibbs early.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: He keeps flinging his hard hands up, hunting, holding penalties.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have enough pelts on the wall to be acting like that.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's a guy from Iowa who basically hasn't done much, and he's flinging them up.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Tyler?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Watson does that a lot at receiver, too, doesn't he?
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he sure does.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: It just reminds me of Tim Duncan, maybe the best power forward of all time.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't stand watching Tim Duncan.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: As much as I loved his fundamental style of play,
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: you know, you can imagine him just banking those 18-footers from the wing.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody else could – Execute that show.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: Constantly complaining.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: All game.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: Whining.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't do it.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: I get there's some gamesmanship here, but...
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: In college basketball, that's what Tom
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Izzo does for 40 minutes.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: They just know no shame, these guys who are looking for calls.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I went to Syracuse.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: Jim Boeheim.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's all he did.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the everlasting image of Boeheim just complaining.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just lose respect for that kind of stuff.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: We want a good taunt is what we want.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: We want a good, effective, single out your opponent, flex your muscles.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see the Lions prancing and dancing and doing their little dance
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: when they got Green Bay to jump off sides on that huge play late?
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't flagged for taunting.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just the double standards are immense.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Dennis Sutton, the rookie.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss against Gibbs in the flat.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was a great play on third and one.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was a fantastic play.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: The guy's played pretty good.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's a rookie.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's been up and down, but he's pretty good.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Cox, Brenton Cox.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is like his fourth year, third, fourth year.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: He plays hard.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss against Miller.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: He had a roughing the passer penalty.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was a bad call, third and ten.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to stop Jared Goff's fall, by the way.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's reaching out to help him when he's flagged.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: That one.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Sorrell was just kind of out there.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now the linebackers.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: So they lose Franklin, you know.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: And Hopper plays, has to start, might be his first start.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: So McDuffie goes 68.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Hopper goes 63.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: So they're both backups.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: They've lost Cooper and Franklin with a shin injury in this game.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: So they're playing zone and coverage.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at McDuffie.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Gibbs.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Goff on a blitz.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: He made a nice fumble recovery.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: He had to run stuff on a run blitz.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he had half a run stuff against Rattledge.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to Hopper.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: First play of the game, man.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sewell just wants to establish turf on this young guy who's playing.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: He gets driven 10 yards back by Sewell.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was crazy.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: He gets beat on a delay by Gibbs for 15.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he, he jumped Sewell.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let Williams alone.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, when Sewell was a receiver in that zone coverage,
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_01: he jumped Sewell and Les Jamel alone for an easy 10 yard touchdown.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know, that's, that's the thing on Hopper.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's a great athlete.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's an 11 test score guy playing a smart position.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll have to see how that goes.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against Gibbs.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: Gibbs will pass block though.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's just small.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a, he sifted in from the backside and made a nice run stop.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right, secondary.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start with Nixon.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the secondary hasn't been injured.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: Those guys, five guys have been intact basically all year.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a pretty good unit.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Nixon had a run stop with that cat blitz.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, you got a quarterback under center and he doesn't see it wide out to his side.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Man, he's coming in and he's coming in hard.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Successful, minus one.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: St. Brown beat him on an out and up for 27.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Nixon will look, he'll peek.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: His eyes, doesn't have great eye discipline and he'll get beat.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: We know that.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: He had a missed tackle on JMO.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: He had nice tight coverage on a dig route to JMO, incomplete.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: He stopped the 12-yard touchdown pass to Tesla in the end zone.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: Great play.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the game when Campbell went nuts and went forward on his own 24,
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_01: he came in off that cat for minus one.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: We could have led with that call, by the way.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that could have been our whole podcast.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Bullard.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_01: Of all the guys in the secondary, well, Bullard's a tough guy.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: He bid on play action.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was late to Williams in the flat on that 16-yard touchdown.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what happened.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: He diagnosed a screen.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_01: The ball fell incomplete.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: Nice play.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: He broke up a curl to St. Brown on third and 17.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: And he beat Tesla's block on a counter, made the play for a minus one.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: Valentine played five.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: CeCe, the rookie,
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: tackle for loss, unblocked on a bubble.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Gibbs.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Out to St. Brown, caught it for 11.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: Back shoulder to St. Brown, gain of 18 against him.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: He had a PI against St. Brown.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: It cost him an interception.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: He had a great end zone breakup on a ball to Williams.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: And he pushed Williams out of bounds, saving a six-yard touchdown on fourth down.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: It was another great play.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had a really good game.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the safeties, Evan Williams.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockback on Gibbs, hell of a tackle.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: He whiffed on an unblocked sack.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped the pick when he was sitting in zone, terrible.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bad missed tackle on Gibbs when Gibbs was surging in the fourth quarter of
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: the winning drive.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was an extra 13 yards.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was a rare miss by him.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: McKinney on the Williams touchdown that went, how many yards?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: 40 on that thing, Tyler?
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was on the Williams touchdown.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: The Williams touchdown was 16.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: I lost my tab here.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: The Williams touchdown, 16 and 10.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: I said McKinney played patty cake on Williams' touchdown.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was no strain.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: He will not sell out.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: He does not want collisions.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can't picture the play.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: Then he lost St. Brown on that 40-yard gain to St. Brown.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: Missed the tackle.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was an extra 13 for St. Brown.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: Gibbs ran him over on a gain of nine.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then on that late toss to Gibbs that was effective,
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: he just let himself be blocked by Tesla.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, been through all that.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: I won't sum it up.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the special teams, smack, good kickoffs, three for four in the proper direction.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so they get the delay penalty.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: He hits from 21.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: But they got a delay penalty.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: So now that puts it on the 26.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now who's responsible for the delay?
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: Was it an intentional delay?
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't read anything.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now on the miss, it's 99.9% his fault.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: The snap was good.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: The hold was good.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: But Waylon, the holder, he was waiting forever to turn back for the ball.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he kept looking at the kicker.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then he waited and waited and waited.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then he turns back, ball snapped.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was such a long wait.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Evan Williams had a nice tackle on a kickoff return.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was surprised he was out there.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Neiman, the linebacker, maybe saved a touchdown on the second half kickoff.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: So smack.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then the final one, he hits from 43 to tie it at 17.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then he misses a possible game winner from 35.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Two fingers grazed the ball.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: The ball was kicked low.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's all on him.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Horrible.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in the late 80s, there were some awful kickers.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Four kickers one year.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Max Zendejas, Dawson, Dorsey, and a fourth one.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was the worst kicking I've ever seen in Green Bay.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Worse than Brett Conway?
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was with Longwell in like 90s.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Two or something.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Four.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's before that.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's with Lindy.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let me get that fourth kicker.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: I got the back breast guide here.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm just asking if it's worse than Brett Conaway in 1997
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: because I can remember writing into Packer reports saying they should go
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: with Ryan Longwell.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did you?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: One of my best takes as a third grader.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I would have been
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: fourth graden.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: So in 88, Max was 9 for 16 and missed two pats.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Dawson, 3 for 5.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Forgot his first name.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dean Dorsey, 1 for 3.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Curtis Burrow came in on the end.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: He went 0 for 1 and missed 2 out of 4 on PATs.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then they drafted Chris Jackie,
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Brotz did in 89, and away we went with excellence with three great kickers.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Kickers and quarterbacks.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: All right, help me out here, though, Bob.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: I believe Brett Conway was a draft pick in 1997.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Third round?
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or I'm not sure where he went, but he was a pick.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Decent capital.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he was terrible.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he was terrible.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right away.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And they went to Ryan Longwell right away.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I get having confidence in your kicker and Trey Smack obviously has a really strong leg.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: But kickers are weird.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not too careful, they can cost you your season.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay just lived it last year.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Brandon McManus.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So Tyler, hold on now.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Wolf.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Conway was drafted, what year?
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: In 97 in the third round out of the Nittany Lions, Penn State.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he was so bad in the exhibition season.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think he might've got hurt,
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_01: but anyway,
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Wolf pulled the pin on him and he never kicked in a regular season game
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: for Green Bay.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: He went to Longwell, who was in camp.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: He had been signed in early July, I believe.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he was great in the preseason.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Think about that as a GM.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_00: You draft somebody in the third round, you've got to swallow your pride.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Ron didn't give a shit.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're not performing?
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's on me, but why exacerbate it, right?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Send them home.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, would you just release Trey Smack if you're running the Green Bay Packers?
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: What's he, a seventh-round pick or a sixth?
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the emergency list is in the league right now.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: When I was on the beat, I – Sixth round, 216 overall.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Six, yeah.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Six – I don't know what's out there, Tyler.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Do they got somebody on the practice squad?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, your personnel department, this is what their lives are.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're always looking.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: They got Lenny Krieg, K-R-I-E-G.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Never heard of them.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: So the pack follows the four and three.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And now they play Thursday night against Carolina.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Last question on the Packers.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was really looking forward to hearing from Matt LaFleur after the game.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: What would he say?
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's tough.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can go one direction.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: You can eat the fine.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Xavier McKinney, he didn't care.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: He called it bullshit and went off on the officials, effing up the game.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Matt LaFleur sets the tone for the team.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Every head coach does.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: He could stand there, tear the refs up, go off, go ballistic.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Denny Green, Jim Mora, Mike Dicka, pick your press conference meltdown.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Just lose his mind and hope that a message is sent.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: If nothing else, Jordan Love, and point out your own quarterbacks are getting hit.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't gotten one call.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: The more I think of it,
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_00: and I think a lot of fans were hoping he'd go that way and just eat the fine
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_00: and go off,
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: and it'd be cathartic for them watching this game for three hours to hear
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_00: the head coach show that kind of emotion.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: You could tell he was pissed, but he tempered his emotions.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: He went up to the line without crossing it.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what he had to do.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: They play Thursday night.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can't let emotions from this game,
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: this loss,
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_00: those calls, how it ended, linger in to the game four and a half, five days later.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Where do you come down on that if you're the head coach?
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that there is any upside to being pissed off,
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: verbalizing that you're pissed off and hoping something changes?
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you just kind of stay even keeled, measured, I
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: don't know.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Coach's reactions to stuff like that, Tyler, I don't really get caught up in it, you know?
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I just kind of don't care.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when I was on the beat, I guess I did, you know, what to write about.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even watch LaFleur.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he's doing and that stuff.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's on brand.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's in line with how his messaging has been throughout the season.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Think about up to that Chicago game.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Johnson in his Bears locker room is always tapping into the rivalry and bringing
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: the Packers up and the floor went a different route.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I tend to think he did the right thing here.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you would think that they could run the ball on Carolina.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were just humiliated by Tampa Bay for whatever it was,
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: 258 rushing yards between Bucky Irving and Kenny Gainwell and Sean Tucker,
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: the pride of Syracuse.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: If there's a game where you can run the ball, you think it would be this one.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: So with Josh Jacobs in his second game, we shall see.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_00: How's the Orange doing right now, T?
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_00: I believe they did beat Bill Belichick's Tar Heels.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Did I watch more than 11 seconds of that game?
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: I did not, Bob.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Terrible alum.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Terrible.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was on, and it was one of those rare nights where, you know, the kids went down.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they go down great, but didn't have any work to do.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_00: My wife loves Halloween, and I said, you know what?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to watch Hereditary.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to watch a Halloween movie together.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_00: That was the decision made.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, Tyler, um,
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: We both have undergrad degrees from big schools, Syracuse and Michigan, you know?
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, that's a long time ago for me.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: But so if I was doing something with the kids or Halloween,
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: of course, when I was younger, I didn't have time to tape Michigan games.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess that's it.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Nowadays, I'm semi-retired, you know?
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I watch every second with the remote on the tape,
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Michigan games, Saturday, Saturday night, you know?
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a boring life, but I mean, I know how all their old linemen are playing, you know?
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know Angeli was their quarterback, and he got hurt and underperformed.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: They went through two other quarterbacks, and one of them was from Moorhead State, mobile guy.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: They got hurt, and Angeli was in, and they beat the Tar Heels.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I only know that because I looked at the box score for maybe 14 seconds.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's the extent of my support of Syracuse.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_01: When you're semi-retired, T, you might go back to the Orange.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: You could.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I should.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Buy it in your alma mater.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Unless there's an interview to transcribe,
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_00: as you know, the amount of time that we piss away transcribing quotes for stories.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's where it is.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, we got to mention our friend Michael Cohen.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this coming Thursday, he's launching his new Substack.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: You would say ours is a Substack, Tyler, and his is a Substack.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's going to cover, he's going to be a one-man band, basically, covering UConn basketball.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Men.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: No women right now.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Men.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: The name of the website is OnStores.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I believe FromStores.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: FromStores.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: You got it.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, you got it.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, T.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: A home for independent reporting on UConn basketball.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: There it is, our buddy Mike Cohen.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Better yet, he made the move in shaving his head and started to substack.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that's great to see, Mike.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_00: You did the right thing.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Love to see.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: I've talked to him a bunch about it.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody out there, please.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'll share the links as well.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Subscribe, follow, read Michael Cohen.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean to cut you off, Bob.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's such a great friend of mine.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_00: For those who don't know, I was a senior at Syracuse when he was a freshman.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so working at the Daily Orange,
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I believe I was a managing editor that first semester in covering football.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Mike walks through the door.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_00: You can see the hunger, the intensity, the drive.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wanted to just throw himself into the DO and covering Syracuse sports.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I just like,
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_00: we have to give this kid all the,
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can't, I was a kid too, all the opportunities in the world.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And he just couldn't get enough, knocked it out of the park every single beat he was on.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's so good at the investigative stuff as well.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Listeners and readers probably remember from the Journal Sentinel days going
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_00: through police reports,
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_00: just digging and digging and digging in addition to the gamers and the columns and
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_00: the feature writing and the podcast.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he kept that going with you after I left.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_00: but yeah,
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: like when I so that would have been the spring of 2015 when I heard
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: from Lisa Wilson, the Buffalo News opportunity to go back home and cover the bills.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was still a tough decision.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'd love to live it out there with you, Bob.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Wisconsin, everybody took me in.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_00: But once I decided to take that job and I talked to Mike Davis,
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_00: our sports center at the JS, it might've been the same conversation.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know if it was the second conversation.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Mike, my one recommendation would be Michael Cohen.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is who you want to hire next.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he was fantastic out there.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think he was in Green Bay the same amount of time as me, about four and a half years or so.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not that, well, yeah, he had some, Some with the J.S.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: and then some with the athletic.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_00: The athletic, right.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was about it.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he's going to do a great job.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's a Syracuse grad, obviously, but he's born and raised in Connecticut.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's where he's living now.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: College basketball is one of his real passions.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to do fantastic work on that beat.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to see him next week, Tyler, at Boston Gardens.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I will be at Boston Garden a week from Friday for a rematch of
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_01: a national title game, the Wolverines at the Huskies of UConn at the Garden.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Should be good.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to miss any podcast time, boss.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_00: You better not.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Vacationing left and right.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Taking your PTO.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Love Mike.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Hell of a basketball player, too.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: We played a lot of pickup back in the day.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're going back 15, 20 years now.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Had a little teardrop in the lane.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Michael did.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we can launch Thursday.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm signing up that day, that afternoon.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: After I get done off the golf course.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_01: What game do you want next, Tyler?
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're still golfing.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it going to snow out there?
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get you off that course.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Heaven on earth out there now, T. Fall golf, man.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: What game do you want next?
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Bears-Patriots.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to Mr. Caleb Williams versus Drake May.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: One thing, you know what, in that Green Bay game, there were five Williams on that field.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_01: My notes are just Savion to Jameis.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was just driving me nuts when I was – I'm surprised I didn't screw
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_01: that up more talking about it.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so the Bears win
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: it 30-24 at Soldier Field.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's just start.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Burden, four catches for 130.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Odunze, four for 69.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Loveland, seven for 69.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is their firepower as good as Detroit?
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty close, Tyler.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Burden's really come on.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Burden.
• 1:24:49
  Wow.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can't bring the guy down.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he is so elusive.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a stiff arm.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right away, 26 yards on a shallow cross against Marcus Jones.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Stiff arm, 17 after the catch.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_01: 40 yards after the catch on a blown coverage on an over route, total of 58.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wingback reverse, made Woods one of those defensive backs.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Charles Woods, make him miss, extra seven.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: 22-yard gain, broke two tackles, extra six.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_01: A bubble screen, 24-yard touchdown on third and 17.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: He follows his blockers.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then he just breaks into daylight towards the sideline.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was one of those instinctive moves,
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: that really only the great ones,
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_01: the great runners who can run the daylight can make.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the other one, Odunze played 65.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Burden only played 42, by the way.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Odunze, you know, this is his...
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Third year, Tyler?
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Or second?
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's Rome's third.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Third, yeah.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's becoming a more quarterback-friendly target.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's sitting down better.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's finding holes in zones.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's got more telepathy with Caleb.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's doing some good things.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Third and seven, he sits down, gain a six.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_01: He was short of the stick.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped a 13-yard touchdown on a fade.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_01: 21-yard curl on third and 11, sat down, presented himself to the QB.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: 21-yarder against zone, middle, third and nine, great hands catch.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then he ran it out for 21-13 after the catch.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: he's not anywhere near what Burden is after the catch,
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: but he does have some of that in him.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then Xavier and Thomas,
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: the speedster rookie with the 4-2-6, They put him on the field for five plays.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_01: He gets two holding penalties, wiping out two runs that total 20 yards.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's small, 5'10.5", 192, but that's pretty ridiculous.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Kalief Raymond plays 48.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's just a good player.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's a hell of a blocker at his size.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: That shows up every week.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the guy's 5'8.5", 173 coming out.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tiny arms, hands are okay, but He just gets people blocked.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love the guy.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Tight end, Loveland.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he had a slow start.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't going to him.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, he's really come on.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_01: As a blocker, he has strike in him, but he just doesn't sustain that well.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's just got to grow into that, but he's not sustaining blocks that well.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bad run against Jacobs.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Gabe Jacobs, boy, he's a physical second rookie from the Patriots, Illinois.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_01: He killed Ponder in the flat and man coverage game, gain of 11.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bad run against Marcus Jones who beat him.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: He had a drop in the middle of the field.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: He runs these quick flats all the time.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: He is so quick on those fast diagonal routes.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Usually picks up eight to 10 all the time and 22 yard dig.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Against Jalen Reed.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Comet, that's going to be a major loss.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's on IR.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's out for the year with a knee injury.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: That hurts him.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hurts him a lot.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they use a lot of two tight end sets.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's a solid pass blocker, a pretty darn good run blocker, and he can catch the ball.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Intermediate and short.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's dependable as hell.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's a loss.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Caught that ball in the flat, got hit on the right knee in the fourth quarter, and that's it.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_01: You never know, man.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So the second tight end is Roush, the rookie.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_01: 6'6", so he becomes the number two, a third-round pick.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_01: 6'6", 266, 477.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is he from Stanford, Roush?
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_01: He had 14 snaps.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's been up and down this season.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's got to come through.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then their third would be, I don't know who they're going to, I don't know who they got.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: The offensive line left to right.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_01: So they start Benedict.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_01: He plays 50 and they come in for the second game in a row with Ozzy Trapilo who plays 19.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Benedict was better for the second week in a row.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_01: He played really good.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I got half a bad play.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Trapilo, first play, Jakus beats him up the field, sack, 4.1.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_01: He looked like a waistbender on the thing.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then he gives a knockdown to Jakus,
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_01: and then he gets another sack to Jakus on a bull rush in 2.9.
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pretty brutal appearance
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: for Trapilo.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, I don't know if they're going to keep using him or just give Bennett the game.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: The guy needs, he needs reps because he was a lot better late last season.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the left guard is Thune.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he gets beat, Tyler, in pass pro.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_01: He recovers so fast.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: He gets right back into the play.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Even at his age, what is he, like 32?
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's just an easy mover.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's so mobile.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, They'll fan him,
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_01: and they're changing up protection,
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_01: and he fanned probably 10 times from left guard over to block the right edge.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Could be Jakus or whoever else they had.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Milton, that would have been Obiozo or Ponder.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: He can do that.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's athletic enough to do it.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's impressive.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Milton Williams didn't get a whole lot done.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: These guards played very good against Milton, the ex-Eagle, who's a hell of a player.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Thune gave up one flush late in the game to Leonard Taylor on one of those fans.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: The center, Bradbury, he's been good.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's no indication he's going to relinquish that position to
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_01: the rookie Logan Jones from Iowa.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's very quick.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a flush to Durden.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: He got a flush to Daquan Jones.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_01: He had two bad run situations.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't great, but he's been all is snapping.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's smart as hell.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's been a good player for him,
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: a good acquisition.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_01: The right guard is Jackson.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Back from that, I think it was a hip injury.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So he had the week before
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_01: We know him.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's just a tough guy.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had a couple misses in this game.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then the right tackle, Darnell Wright, was terrific.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_01: False start.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's just a mauler.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, he's really got good feet.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And when he concentrates, when he's on his game, man, he's hard to beat in pass pro too.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_01: with Sewell moving to the left side,
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_01: he's clearly the best tackle, right tackle in the division.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the running backs, you got Monungai missing another game.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that's been a blow.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So just like Aaron Jones, Swift is having to play too much.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_01: 59 snaps out of 67, I believe.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_01: 59 out of 69, that's too much for him.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: He had 26 touches for 90 yards.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Made a quick cut, beat Marcus Jones.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Four-yard touchdown.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: The young small corner dove and missed.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Hell of a cut.
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: He can jump cut.
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Another one fourth and one.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_01: He jumped cut to the left side.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Gain of five.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a hurry.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Missed a blitz pickup against the safety Woodson.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Ten-yard gain.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_01: He broke three tackles.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Spillane, Durden, and Marcus Jones.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a half a knockdown.
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Roshon Jones played ten.
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to Caleb.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Passer rating 116.7.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of his nine misses, four forward throwaways.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse me, 11 misses.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: His cadence, he got Milton Williams to jump.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: Illegal forward pass on a trick play.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, that's on the coaching staff, the way they coached it.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_01: He missed an Oakland-Loveland short.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Would have been a big game.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he throws...
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Throws the ball back right to Burden on a bubble.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's got that head moving quick to the left, comes back to the right.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big gain.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: He got the move, the defense, and that was just what they needed for the big play.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Third and two, Durden, the DTs in his face.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_01: He changed his direction twice on a crazy quilt scramble, gains five, first down.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's capable of all this stuff.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Third and 11, early fourth quarter.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Ellis is a free runner at him.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sidesteps and drills a Dunze for 21.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Another great play.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Third and nine, tight game.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hits a Dunze for 21 coming out from his own one-yard line.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he threw the ball from the one.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Third and one, two minutes left.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_01: He gets Durden to jump.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_01: He ran into a sack for minus 10, but he was saved by Santos.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of a bonehead play.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the Bear offense, G.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson are about as in sync as they've been.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_00: It just seems like receivers are open all over the field,
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_00: game to game,
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_00: and Caleb is hitting them in rhythm with timing throughout the course of a game,
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_00: which wasn't the case most of last season.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, You've got to be encouraged by that.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_00: If the Chicago Bears,
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_00: if you can get your running game even close to what it was at its peak last year
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_00: to have those in concert, the offense is a juggernaut.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how you stop them.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_01: They need Manungai back, definitely.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Their old line is intact, right?
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Their receiving core, they lost Komet.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: That hurts them in the run game.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, it's a good, it's a good team.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Petsing and who,
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: who the Lions have last year,
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: uh, John Morton, they're just not Ben Johnson, you know?
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think an assistant coach would make that difference,
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: but the Lions have, they've missed Ben Johnson.
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_01: The Bear D line.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, You got Grady Jarrett, 42.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't worn down.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Kentavious Street, 23.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Lynch, 33.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Shamar Turner, 13.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Gallimore, 17.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_01: And Vandenberg, five.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a whole lot to say here, except Grady Jarrett, he's been their best player.
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_01: He had a couple of knockdowns, drew a hold on Walter Rouse with a pass rush.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's got an upfield charge and a huge motor.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: He always has for like 11 years.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's playing better than he did last year.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: I can say that.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's accurate.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Street, you know, he's on the small side for a nose.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: He does get bounced, but he doesn't really get buried.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's got a big heart.
• 1:36:45
  SPEAKER_01: He pursues hard.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's a battler.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's been okay.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, they're not playing him many snaps.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: But he's better than Gallimore.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's better than Vandenberg.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Lynch is a power player who kind of plays five technique.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's been okay.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Shamar Turner's got a chance.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's a second round pick in 25.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's been pretty stout.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's been rather active.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's a little laid off the ball at times.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're playing Lynch ahead of him.
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_01: That might change.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go outside.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: This guy by the name of Croma, who is a free agent, he plays 14 snaps on the edge.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's an interesting cat, Tyler.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot his college.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was a free agent three years ago.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's 6'3.5", 274, 479.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_01: The guy was really tough at the point of attack.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a good low block shield on one play, kept the blockers away from his shins, no gain.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's strong at the point, and he can help them.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Booker, he's been a disciplined player against the run.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're good against the outside run.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_01: They set the edge.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Those guys are well-coached.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_01: And Hardy now,
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: who played 30-22 snaps,
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_01: he's become a pass rush threat here in the last two or three weeks.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown, and he had half a sack on a stunt against Pryor, his former teammate.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was in 2.8.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they're D-line, they're a bunch of battlers.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Could they, they traded Jervon Dexter, right?
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Could they have used Dexter?
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's in Atlanta and he played, he's played pretty good.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: This group's not bad.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, they don't have a huge guy.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_01: They used to have that,
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_01: remember the big guy who started with a B, Andrew Billings.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but then they were playing with Chris Williams and Cowart.
• 1:38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Zach Pickens was a bust.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Jones was a veteran.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_01: They've been kind of grab-bagging.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're okay, as long as Jarrett doesn't get hurt.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, anything more about outside?
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, we covered those guys.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, all the linebackers.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you still got TJ Edwards still injured.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_01: So Jackson placed 54 snaps.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_01: He had a great game.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's taken him about three weeks to get back to where I thought he was last year.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Man, he gets to run stuff early.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_01: He gets a tackle for loss.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_01: He fires past Rouse, runs stuff.
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when he arrives, he's a smaller guy, but he has a fury in him and he hits people.
• 1:39:33
  SPEAKER_01: He had a great pick, man against the tight end, down the seam.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had great position on the thing.
• 1:39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he fires against the run.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's not as good as the guys in Minnesota.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's not as good as Franklin in Green Bay.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about that.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's playing pretty good football.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sewell, he's another guy who goes 100 miles an hour.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_01: He only played 19 snaps.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_01: But he is a tough, tough guy.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then Bush, who plays virtually every snap as the inside backer.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's the green dot.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a quick trigger.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Now, he's not like Jackson.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_01: He'll slip and slide and dip.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's not a take-on guy.
• 1:40:15
  SPEAKER_01: He gets covered up in the run game.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, as a pass rusher and in coverage, he's been okay.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Starting to grow on me a little bit.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's not a great player.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's as good as Edmonds, but he's okay.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the secondary.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Jalen Johnson, the left corner, he kind of prefers not to hit people too.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, people have been saying that about him for five or six years,
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: and it's not as blatant as the safety in Green Bay,
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_01: but yet there are embarrassing moments.
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, May's scrambling.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_01: He gets an extra seven because he had an old lay.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't want to hit May the quarterback.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then when Stevenson had that 48-yard touchdown at the end of the half,
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_01: he made a pathetic effort on that thing at the 20.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_01: You don't even want to see that tape.
• 1:41:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then he had a pass interference.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he can cover.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is he as good as Murphy in Minnesota?
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Is he as good as, well,
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just go that far.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: But Muhammad got hurt.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_01: He made a terrible decision to go
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_01: wide on that Stevenson play.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he was doing on that 48-yard touchdown.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_00: He just started running the other direction.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was worried about the guy going wide, Tyler.
• 1:41:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_01: So he's trying to take away the wide, thinking he had teammates, but they were all knocked up.
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know,
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Johnson didn't even want to try, and Thienemann ran into a blocker, and that was it.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then Stevenson came in as a corner for Muhammad.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_01: He was okay.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_01: The Nickelback Gordon, same stuff.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he played 31 snaps this week.
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's a banger.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's a blitz threat.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's a hell of a player.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis, one of the safeties, three flushes is a pass rusher.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_01: So Dennis Allen is really bringing DBs right now.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's not bringing Thienemann, although he had half a sack on a tight end chip.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_01: But Lewis is a pretty good pass rusher, and he is a fearless hitter.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_01: This guy comes in fast and hard.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you got Lewis and Thienemann who really want to hit people.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Gordon really wants to hit.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Stevenson really wants to hit.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Johnson does not want to hit, and Muhammad's okay.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thienemann,
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_01: he has knockback ability,
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_01: ex-college player, rookie, He's a hitter and he's been, he's had a good year.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go to the special team.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Santos wins it from 50 or clincher from 58.
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Career high, career long was 55.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is that soldier feel where you're not supposed to be able to kick a ball that far.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_01: He had a 53 that was no good.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he also hit from 43 and 31.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Taylor punted good, just two.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Zavion Thomas hit a big sideline hole, 47 yards.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to run over anybody, but if he sees a hole, he's just blinding speed.
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what they're banking on with him.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Coverage was not nearly as good this week.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the Bears.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Were you surprised that Ben Johnson sent him out there to kick that after Caleb Williams' sack?
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love Santos, but not from 58 at Soldier.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_00: He misses that.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Man, what a conversation could have been had Friday morning.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_00: The way New England was moving the ball.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_00: What didn't get discussed nearly enough were the Mike Vrabel decisions on fourth down.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get the exact yardage right here.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hang with me.
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_00: To punt on those two fourth downs in the fourth quarter with how
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_00: the Bears are moving the ball was just awful for
• 1:44:21
  SPEAKER_00: a coach who's usually pretty aggressive.
• 1:44:24
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, at the start of the fourth quarter, so at this point, it's a 27-21 game.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Chicago has the lead.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_00: And there's, yeah, this is the first play of the fourth quarter.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_00: He punts on fourth and seven at the New England 43.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your own 43-yard line.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been a 61-yarder, right?
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm talking the New England.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this is his own 43-yard line variable.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_00: But the way the game's going, you're not getting a stop.
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_00: You punt it back.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_00: The Bears miss a field goal on their next drive.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you get the ball back again.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_00: You've got great field position.
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_00: You move all of three yards.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's fourth and seven at your own 46, and you punt again.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when the Bears drove down.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_00: They made their field goal, and that's the game.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:45:29
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to go Dan Campbell, fourth and one at your own 24, whatever that was.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the context of the game matters, just everything that you were detailing on.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and these receivers getting open and
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_00: the line playing like they're playing.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, DeAndre Swift,
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_00: battering Ram, he's got the hole in his game pants after he got blasted in the knee.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Play the game on your terms.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Drake May was playing so well against that blitz, I thought, hanging in there for New England.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was one of those things, like,
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_00: in the moment,
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think too much of it,
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_00: and then you think about it, it's like, God, what are you doing?
• 1:46:07
  I
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_01: I show my age when I talk about kicking field goals rather than going for it.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_01: But when Dan Campbell had fourth and five at the six-yard line with
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_01: a three-point lead,
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_01: and he disdained the field goal,
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_01: and then he tried to run the ball,
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_01: they weren't knocking anybody an inch off the ball,
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_01: and he tries to run the damn thing.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was ridiculous.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the Packers weren't really moving the ball.
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Take a six-point lead.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something wrong with that?
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to beat you on a bomb.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_01: They beat you, but you're going to get the ball.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_01: So what do we got?
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_01: The bikes now?
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get rid of that one.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Not as eventful.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:46:58
  SPEAKER_01: 16 to 10, right?
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_01: So let's shorten this up, Tyler.
• 1:47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Offense.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_01: They've won 11 in a row.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Vikes and those 11 games,
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_01: they've allowed zero touchdowns and 15 points in the fourth quarter.
• 1:47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Their blitz rate was crazy.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_01: 85%.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_01: I read, I read something about that.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_01: The first five games, they were 69, 70%.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he's blitzing.
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you know,
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_01: when you really look at it,
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_01: their blitz stuff is better than anybody else's seven and eight men, the copycats.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's just better.
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Those linebackers and Harrison Smith, they are so in tune with what Flores wants.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's just unreal.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_01: So let's zip through the receivers.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a lot to talk about.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Hawkinson or Addison or Jefferson, Bartholomew.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know the run game.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_01: They miss Oliver, who's out for the year.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's that run blocking tight end for about the last seven years there, five years at least.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good player.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: They miss him.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're playing Yerasek and Bartholomew.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Jennings is a solid number three receiver.
• 1:48:15
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's look at the line.
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_01: I guess the only thing really to talk about is Huber, the left guard from Wisconsin.
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is maybe his second or third start replacing Donovan Jackson, who's out for the year.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Knee, I guess it is.
• 1:48:33
  SPEAKER_01: So Huber, interesting player.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_01: He played darn good.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now, he's up against Buckner a lot in this game,
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_01: and that's a heck of a matchup against DeForest Buckner and Grover Stewart.
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's obviously one of the best DT tandems in the league.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Hubert run blocks effectively, man.
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_01: He keeps his feet.
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_01: He keeps moving and stays active.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_01: He moves well on poles.
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's pesty.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's on the ground a tad too much,
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_01: but, you know, But he's got a little bit of a mean streak.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: One time he shoved Buckner down in a pass rush and kept him down.
• 1:49:15
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of liked the way he finished on the guy.
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Huber, he's in his second year.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's 6'5".
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_01: He was not drafted.
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_01: 311, 524, 40.
• 1:49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Short arms though, that might get him in the end.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_01: 32 and a quarter.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_01: 26 on the bench, no test score.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so far so good.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're not, they had 136 on the ground.
• 1:49:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy played pretty decent.
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Brandle, the center, he's good.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing much to say there.
• 1:49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fry's had a good game.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And O'Neal, boy O'Neal, he is in his ninth year and he still really moves well.
• 1:49:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's excellent in space.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he's just very athletic.
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_01: He, uh,
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Bubble screens.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_01: He gets out there.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_01: One was 11 yards.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good player.
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, running backs, Aaron Jones had a knee injury, wrecked his knee that he's had problems with.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_01: He only played 15 snaps.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_01: So fortunately they had Mason back and Mason played 38 and did a good job.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_01: 15 for 68.
• 1:50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mason's a banger.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_01: They missed him.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 1:50:35
  SPEAKER_01: They move down the field,
• 1:50:37
  SPEAKER_01: and then they got third and one,
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_01: and Mason's not on the field, and Jones gets stopped.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then fourth and one, they try to run it again, and they get stopped.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Why wasn't Mason on the field?
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's the power back, man.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_01: Huber did miss Latou,
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_01: the first-round pick from the Colts,
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_01: in the B gap,
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_01: and Mason just broke the damn thing, broke through there, and gained five.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: He can spin off plays.
• 1:51:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's got some speed.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's got some adjust.
• 1:51:07
  SPEAKER_01: Pass blocking was a little shaky.
• 1:51:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then Bredesen, the fullback.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Michigan can't run the ball as far as my little finger.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_01: I still go back to Michigan missing Bredesen, the fullback.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_01: But in this game, he dropped the ball, gave up a knockdown, missed a block.
• 1:51:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was not impressive in his 11 snaps.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to Murray.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about his body language, right, Tyler, and the look on the face.
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_01: We won't get into that again.
• 1:51:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was not very impressive.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_01: 14 for 24 for 150.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Made some plays with his legs, no question.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_01: The 35-yard run kind of settled the game, first play of the fourth quarter.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Threw some balls high on the flat.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Jennings dropped the touchdown 30 yards would have been that would have helped the numbers.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_01: I threw some ball through a ball behind Jefferson on a 15 yard and
• 1:52:09
  SPEAKER_01: took a sack and 4.1.
• 1:52:12
  SPEAKER_01: I guess what I'm trying to say is game right now is not tight, you know.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's just trying to.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_01: He probably should have had more reps in the summer,
• 1:52:25
  SPEAKER_01: but they were still, you know, battling with JJ.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: I get that.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he's feeling, then he got injured.
• 1:52:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're not a very good offensive team.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, where in the hell do they rank on offense?
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_01: 29th at 281.
• 1:52:41
  SPEAKER_01: So they're six and L,
• 1:52:42
  SPEAKER_01: but they can't,
• 1:52:43
  SPEAKER_01: they got a real tough schedule coming up now and
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_01: they just can't do it.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that's
• 1:52:47
  SPEAKER_01: it on the Viking hole.
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think those L's start adding up there with the schedule?
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_00: On tap?
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do you?
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_00: Here, let's pull up their schedule.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler, they've not had an injury on defense, right?
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 1:53:04
  SPEAKER_01: That can't continue.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's hurt.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's been hurt all year.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that...
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_00: At Detroit,
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_00: home against Buffalo Monday night,
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_00: at Green Bay,
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_00: home against San Francisco, home against Atlanta, who just beat San Francisco...
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_00: Then you got Carolina at New England, home Detroit, home Washington at New York Jets.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then the season ends at home against the Chicago Bears.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_01: So games 15 and 16 are the only relief, right?
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, you've got Carolina in there, depending on how you feel there.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then the Jets.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_00: Washington, I suppose.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:53:51
  SPEAKER_01: My battery's getting low, Tyler.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let me... Oh, boy.
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the defense.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Rifle through it.
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Rodriguez is a really good, tough guy.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Redmond has more ability,
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_01: but yet they're both late picks or free agents who are really good players.
• 1:54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Orange and Banks on that 38-yard touchdown.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Banks and Orange were on the field and Rodriguez and Redmond were out.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only long play the Colts made all day.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Banks got displaced by Raymond, the good left tackle.
• 1:54:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was high on the thing.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Orange got sealed by Quentin Nelson.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_01: Katie, bar the door, you're gone.
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Ingram Dawkins, he plays a lot.
• 1:54:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's okay.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Turner, Van Noy's been a real plus.
• 1:54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Van Ginkle.
• 1:54:43
  SPEAKER_01: Van Ginkle and Turner are good players.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_01: They're healthy.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Cashman and Wilson.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_01: They play every snap.
• 1:54:50
  SPEAKER_01: They're fierce.
• 1:54:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're smart.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, that's a really a good front seven.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the secondary is healthy.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Metellus plays every snap, kind of runs the show.
• 1:55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Harrison comes in and runs the show, plays half the time.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_01: You got Rodgers.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's been good.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: He tackles for a small guy.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_01: He really contributes.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Murphy's maybe the, he was the best corner in the division last year.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_01: He might be now too.
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_01: And Pierre's not a bad nickel, the ex-stealer.
• 1:55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing about Flores.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're really good.
• 1:55:24
  SPEAKER_01: The kickers, Reichardt finally missed.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_01: He kicked one low, and it was blocked from 59.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Kickoffs were good.
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_01: The punter was so-so.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Price got hit hard by Taylor Britt.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think he came back.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_01: He got hit in the head.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's the NFL's best on kickoffs, I think, and punts or something.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_01: The coverage was not very good.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's the Vikes, Tyler.
• 1:55:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to learn a lot about the Minnesota Vikings now.
• 1:55:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm more hopeful than you in this Kyler Murray, Kevin O'Connell union.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you get the Juwan Jennings play, the missed field goal.
• 1:56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Probably could have been more of a blowout than what you saw.
• 1:56:07
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't, you know, not going to make excuses.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't very pretty.
• 1:56:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I think this scheme,
• 1:56:17
  SPEAKER_00: the difficulty of it, needing the reps, needing to get used to those receivers.
• 1:56:22
  SPEAKER_00: I still like the playmaking ability of Kyler Murray.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_00: Although J.J.
• 1:56:27
  SPEAKER_00: McCarthy, man,
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_00: what a debut start with the New York Giants winning at Houston with some of
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_00: the plays he made.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be interesting to see where this goes in Minnesota.
• 1:56:38
  SPEAKER_00: But even with the tougher schedule,
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Bob, I still think that I would much prefer Kyla Murray over J.J. McCarthy.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that if you're working through it,
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_00: you'd rather work through it while you're getting wins and you're
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_00: the only undefeated team in the league.
• 1:56:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because if it does at some point get to a new gear, you're cooking with gas.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hit us with a memory before you lose power.
• 1:57:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:57:08
  SPEAKER_01: So with the Packers just having played Detroit,
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Michigan,
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Michigan State,
• 1:57:14
  SPEAKER_01: 10 days from now, I started thinking about Hank Bulla, B-U-L-L-O-U-G-H,
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Henry.
• 1:57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Lee Remmel coined him the doctor of defense,
• 1:57:26
  SPEAKER_01: called him colorful in the 91 press guide, and he was.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_01: Gap-toothed, he was something else, man.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Played at Michigan State when they were coming of age on the 54 Rose Bowl.
• 1:57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Drafted by the Pack in 55,
• 1:57:42
  SPEAKER_01: fifth round as a guard, was playing, had to leave for two years, service hitch.
• 1:57:49
  SPEAKER_01: MSU's first family of linebackers is his son, Shane, played linebacker at MSU.
• 1:57:55
  SPEAKER_01: His son, Chuck, played four years in the NFL as a linebacker, coached in the NFL.
• 1:58:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's now at LSU.
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_01: His grandson's Max, his linebacker coach at MSU.
• 1:58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Byron played for MSU.
• 1:58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Riley played in the, I mean, okay, on and on and on.
• 1:58:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hank was something else.
• 1:58:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's really one of the pioneers of the 3-4 defense, and that started with New England.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_01: He was D.C. under Chuck Fairbanks in the early to mid-70s, and he kind of popularized the 34.
• 1:58:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still going, Tyler?
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_00: You're good.
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was just looking up his Bills tenure because that was the coach who went 4-17
• 1:58:42
  SPEAKER_00: before Barb Levy.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's good.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get some good Hank memories going here.
• 1:58:46
  SPEAKER_01: So Henry coached 11 years at Michigan State as alma mater.
• 1:58:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he's part of that George Perlis.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm a Michigan man and he's Spartan, but I understand that Spartan.
• 1:59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Mystique or Charisma, and they really got it.
• 1:59:04
  SPEAKER_01: And those guys are great guys up there.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're Raleigh Dodge, and he was part of this thing, man.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Buck Nystrom.
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_01: Michigan State,
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_01: he was there 11 years,
• 1:59:14
  SPEAKER_01: won a national title under Duffy Doherty in 65 as defensive coordinator.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_01: So in 1984, Forrest Gregg, when he got hired in Green Bay, he hired...
• 1:59:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hank to be his defensive coordinator.
• 1:59:30
  SPEAKER_01: They had been in the Super Bowl together.
• 1:59:33
  SPEAKER_01: And everything was great until Hank,
• 1:59:36
  SPEAKER_01: who had never been a head coach,
• 1:59:39
  SPEAKER_01: got a chance with the Pittsburgh Maulers of the USFL.
• 1:59:44
  SPEAKER_01: There was four or five games left in that 84 season.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_01: So now Hank was a bit of an eccentric.
• 1:59:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I was at a minicamp with him the day the news broke.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we're walking up in the parking lot and I'm asking him questions at the end of a mini camp.
• 2:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, hey, he says, I'm always helping you.
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: He says, McGinn, come on, help me clean out my office.
• 2:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we go up the back loading deck at 1265 Lombardi and he's handing me stuff, his winter boots.
• 2:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm hauling out his winter boots to his car because he had resigned that morning.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, The league folded after that season, so he never coached a game.
• 2:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was in Green Bay 145 days.
• 2:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: Then he became D coordinator of the Bills in 85.
• 2:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: And when Kay Stevenson, I believe, got the boot at mid-year, Henry took over.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: And he eventually went 4-17 with the Bills.
• 2:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: He was fired nine games in,
• 2:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: and the man chosen to replace him,
• 2:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: Marv Levy, Had a little bit of success, didn't he?
• 2:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Hank went to MSU back to his alma mater in 87 as a volunteer.
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then when Lindy and Fonny got named head coach of the Packers in January of 88,
• 2:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: he brought Hank along as D coordinator.
• 2:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Forrest had told me, Forrest Gregg had told me that Henry...
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hank was a good guy, man.
• 2:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: And that whenever they were on the road, he would bring a duffel bag along.
• 2:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: And Forrest referred to that as the bulla bag, the bulla bag, bulla bag, bulla bag.
• 2:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Everything in the room,
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: from lotions to shampoo to towels to coasters, everything went in the bulla bag.
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: Every trip.
• 2:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 2:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: So then, I mean,
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: I interviewed Hank hundreds of times and many times practice was open during
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: the regular season, you know, Packers were pretty bad then.
• 2:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we'd walk up through the parking lot and then often Hank would go over to
• 2:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: the mobile gas station, the corner of Ridge and what would that be?
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: Ashland Avenue.
• 2:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's where Titletown Brewing is now or something there.
• 2:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: You want to buy the newspaper.
• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: You buy the Press Gazette or the Journal, Sentinel, I don't know.
• 2:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was a Journal and the Sentinel, two separate papers.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd keep asking him questions.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then he'd say, you know, McGinn, you're really a shit disturber.
• 2:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: I says, okay, a couple more questions.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: I try to get them on, you know, back on point.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: So then, so I guess the final story.
• 2:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: So Hank, I mean,
• 2:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: he inherited the worst defense in the league,
• 2:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: and his first year, Green Bay ranked seventh as their best finish in 14 years.
• 2:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: He had 41 takeaways that year.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: The team was terrible.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: His defenses ranked 7th, 16th, 22th, and 10th.
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: He did the job.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: The players loved him.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: He was unorthodox.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was customized game plans.
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: So Hank passed, well, okay, so...
• 2:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: A good friend of mine is in the Michigan High School Football Coaches Association,
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: and they always have golf outings every summer, right?
• 2:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he told me this a couple years ago.
• 2:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the group with Hank,
• 2:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: and Hank's in the cart keeping score for he and his partner,
• 2:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: and this other guy was in a different cart.
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's backed up on like hole 15 or 16,
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: he tells me,
• 2:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: and he kind of sauntered over by Hank's cart,
• 2:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: and he's Looking at the scorecard, how his team was doing.
• 2:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he says to him,
• 2:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hank, next to the number on those holes, you got an M and a C. What's that mean?
• 2:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: An M and a C. Now, you're not a golfer, Tyler, so you may not get this too much.
• 2:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Hank said, well, the M means I took a mulligan, and C means I cheated.
• 2:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 2:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 2:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my gosh.
• 2:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: He passed away in 2019 in East Lansing.
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: All his family are Spartan linebackers.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Earlier, I said Lee Remmel coined the phrase doctor of defense.
• 2:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: That came earlier, maybe from Al Haim of the Bengals, the OPR guy.
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, Max Bullock.
• 2:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: Bullock.
• 2:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: Bullock, okay.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: One hell of a coach.
• 2:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: God, he was really funny, really fun, and a real shrewd coach, man.
• 2:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: Good guy.
• 2:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I love these stories.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: So what seasons, again, were those in Green Bay as the D.C.?
• 2:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: 88 to 91.
• 2:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: The Infante era.
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: So he wasn't around for the Jim McMahon body slam then.
• 2:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say that was a little before.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I can't get enough of those teams, though.
• 2:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the forgotten era of Packer football.
• 2:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, most fans would love to forget those,
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: but it's great hearing these stories of all the Bart star tales that you have
• 2:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: from coaching and those battles.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely part of this team's history.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: It shouldn't be a race.
• 2:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's where you get the best stories.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: Those three decades in between.
• 2:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the access you had, you know.
• 2:05:41
  SPEAKER_00: The access, yeah.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Any day I wanted,
• 2:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: I could walk back 15 minutes from the practice field down on South Oneida by
• 2:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: the Brown County Arena,
• 2:05:49
  SPEAKER_01: up to the gas station and back, you know, just going along, holding court.
• 2:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 2:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: how's that middle linebacker playing, Hank,
• 2:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: and what are you going to do against that Colt offensive line Sunday or whatever?
• 2:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he'd talk.
• 2:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: What a time.
• 2:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, we'll fight for the access best we can within the parameters that are supplied.
• 2:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: That is for sure.
• 2:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's Green Bay or elsewhere, sitting down with guys, getting into their worlds.
• 2:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it'd be great to go back to those times some way, somehow.
• 2:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: That must have been something else.
• 2:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: You shit disturber.
• 2:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: The highest of compliments, really.
• 2:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: I thought so.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to let him know that.
• 2:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely not.
• 2:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to change the subject and get back to the notes I had to write that night.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, thanks for another phenomenal pod, Bob.
• 2:06:42
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• 2:06:48
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• 2:06:55
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• 2:06:57
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• 2:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much, everyone.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening, guys.
• 2:07:05
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