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Cold Case: Tara Calico's mysterious disappearance · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. On September a University of New Mexico
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Speaker 1: student named Tara Calico went out on a thirty four
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Speaker 1: mile bike ride. I need to make up a critical
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Speaker 1: Within hours, community members, friends and family were looking for Tara,
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Speaker 1: scouring every inch of the desert TrAAin. We believe she's alive.
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Speaker 1: She's insane, urs people who have her. Searches continued as
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Speaker 1: hours turned into days, days turned into weeks, and weeks
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Speaker 1: turned into long months, but there was no sign of
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Speaker 1: Tara or the puke bike she was writing. Many would
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Speaker 1: argue the bond between mother and daughter was one of
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Speaker 1: the closest they had ever seen. They did everything together,
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Speaker 1: including exercising together, jogging, riding their bikes. One day, Mom
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Speaker 1: didn't go. She never saw her daughter again. She never
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Speaker 1: saw Tara again. Tara Lee Caligo has been missing ever since.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I am not letting Tara Calico drop
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Speaker 1: off the map. We are not letting her become just
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Speaker 1: another statistic, just another name we read about. We are
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Speaker 1: keeping her disappearance alive until the case is cracked. I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine day after day after day with no closure
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Speaker 1: at all. Of course, any of us who have been
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Speaker 1: crime victims know there is no such thing as closure.
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Speaker 1: You just learn to live a different way. I've often
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Speaker 1: compared it too, and this is lighthearted, breaking your arm,
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Speaker 1: never getting it set, and learning to flip a pancake
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Speaker 1: anyway you can do it. But it's never the same.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like life after becoming a crime victim.
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Speaker 1: I imagine Tara's mom, day after day after day wondering
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Speaker 1: what happened to my daughter. Tara Lee Calico went missing.
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Speaker 1: She went missing out riding her bike on her favorite
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Speaker 1: route that she took all the time. When she didn't
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Speaker 1: get back from that morning's ride, Mom goes looking kicking herself,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure for not going along that day. No sign
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Speaker 1: of Tara nor her bike were ever found to this day.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now two very special us in addition
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Speaker 1: to the Duke Alan Duke joining me out of l A.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Melinda Escobell, who has created a documentary
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Speaker 1: and we are anxiously awaiting its release, called Vanish the
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Speaker 1: Tar Calico Story. She also has created a podcast, Vanished
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Speaker 1: the Tar Calico investigation. Also with me a well known
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Speaker 1: journalist from the Albuquerque Journal, Rosa Lee Rayburn, who has
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Speaker 1: also studied the Calico disappearance. Ladies, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for having us. Nancy, thank you
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Speaker 1: very much. You know, I'm so happy to finally get
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Speaker 1: us all on the same page here. I met up
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Speaker 1: with Melinda at crime Con and it was fortuitous, and
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Speaker 1: I want to start at the beginning. Melinda Cora would
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Speaker 1: go from what I understand, biking with her mom, biking
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Speaker 1: with her mom, but then the mom quit going shortly
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Speaker 1: before Ta went missing. What happened the day as as
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Speaker 1: much as you know, the day that Tara Calico went
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Speaker 1: missing and has never been seen again. Okay, Tara checked
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Speaker 1: this ride often. It was seventeen miles out to the
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Speaker 1: railroad tracks and seventeen miles back and then uh previous
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Speaker 1: rides um she had had an issue with one of
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Speaker 1: her bicycle tires going flat, and so she had expressed
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Speaker 1: to her mother that morning that if she wasn't back
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Speaker 1: by noon, to go and look for her because it
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Speaker 1: was a possibility that maybe she had a flat tire.
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Speaker 1: And so she went out on her seventeen mile or
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Speaker 1: thirty four mile bike ride out to the railroad tracks,
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Speaker 1: and it appears on her trip she had some trouble
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Speaker 1: along the way. Um, she was getting harassed by um
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Speaker 1: what looked to be an an older vehicle following her
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Speaker 1: and a group of guys. And what what was they make?
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Speaker 1: Do we know the make and model on the vehicle? Yes? Well,
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Speaker 1: there was two different vehicles that were seeing that was
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Speaker 1: seen on the road that day, and one was an
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Speaker 1: International and one was a mid fifties Ford. What what
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Speaker 1: what's an International? And International was a Chevy an old
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Speaker 1: Chevy Man. You just taught me something I didn't know. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So one wasn't Chevy International? Do we know a caller?
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Speaker 1: They were both primer grain and one had yellow on
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Speaker 1: it and the other was a what did you say?
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Speaker 1: A pick up? Yes, they were both pickups. One was
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Speaker 1: the Chevy International and one was the Ford, the mid
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Speaker 1: fifties Ford. Okay, right there, Alan, I found that a
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Speaker 1: little too much of the coincidence that passer was by
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Speaker 1: saw two vehicles harassing her. They were both pick ups
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Speaker 1: with primer. That means to me, there's probably one vehicle
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Speaker 1: that was a pickup with primer. Well, in this area.
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Speaker 1: I think a pick up with primer is kind of
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Speaker 1: the normal mode of travel, especially. Oh, here you go
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Speaker 1: again with stereotyping a whole area. Well no, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what people drive there. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: all right, according to Alan, do everybody in the Mexico
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Speaker 1: area drives a pickup covered in primer? But okay, I'll
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Speaker 1: go with pick up with primer? Where you say, go ahead, dear,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of them around in the area. Thank you, so,
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Speaker 1: Melinda Escobell. Yes, when you say passers by observed her
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Speaker 1: getting harassed, what do you mean by that? What did
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Speaker 1: they say? Um? They said that they saw a truck
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Speaker 1: following directly behind her with several individuals in there, and
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Speaker 1: one was running on the side of the vehicle of
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Speaker 1: the hoard. Uh, this is the specific Ford truck. And
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Speaker 1: uh he was running out of the truck and coming
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Speaker 1: up behind her and trying to tug in her shirt. Well,
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Speaker 1: why didn't anybody stop and help her for Pete's sake? Um?
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Speaker 1: I think in the beginning people thought made They didn't really.
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Speaker 1: They said it looked like a giant ball. And originally
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Speaker 1: the number of people that pastor believed that it was
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Speaker 1: her father following her, um, you know, making sure that
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Speaker 1: she was safe on her ride. A giant ball. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Like it was like a They saw like a what
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Speaker 1: looked like a ball running up and coming back. So
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Speaker 1: they just assumed that they were, you know, escorting her
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Speaker 1: on her ride, is what? Okay, like they were having fun,
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Speaker 1: is that what you're saying? Like they were making sure
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Speaker 1: she was okay, giving maybe giving her water. They just
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Speaker 1: weren't really sure, and they thought that must be her
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Speaker 1: father or her family following her making sure she's okay
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Speaker 1: on the ride. Okay, question how meant? Do we know
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Speaker 1: approximately how many how many witnesses observe this? Yes, there
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Speaker 1: was between four and five. Oh okay, Well, in my
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Speaker 1: mind that seals it that I think that that's one
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Speaker 1: of how it started, because one witness could be wrong.
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Speaker 1: But when you start saying two, three, four or five
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Speaker 1: people saw the same thing, no reason to believe all
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Speaker 1: five of them are lying about it or mistaken. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I finally I had nobody stopped. But in the context
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Speaker 1: in which you're saying it, it makes a little more
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Speaker 1: sense to me. Um, my dad and now used to
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Speaker 1: exercise all the time, before he passed away. And UM,
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Speaker 1: I can see people imagining that. So why why did
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Speaker 1: the mom decide not to go that day? Um? She
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Speaker 1: had UM Basically, she had stopped writing with her previously.
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Speaker 1: There was notes that were left on the vehicle that
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Speaker 1: contained threats, and I believe Patty Dole had an incident
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Speaker 1: where a van had trailed to sleep behind her and
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Speaker 1: so she had gotten nervous about it. So she decided
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Speaker 1: that she didn't want to write anymore, and she told
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Speaker 1: Tara that she shouldn't ride anymore. And UM, subsequently, you know,
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Speaker 1: Tara said that she wasn't going to live her life
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Speaker 1: in fear, and she decided to continue to ride. You know,
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Speaker 1: she's a beautiful young girl. Joining me as Melinda Escobill,
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Speaker 1: who has created a documentary Vanished the Tara Calico Story.
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Speaker 1: She also has created a podcast, Vanished the Tar Calico Investigation,
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Speaker 1: also with drew you to covering this case. Why are
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Speaker 1: you interested in Tara Calica's disappearance. Well, I happened to
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Speaker 1: meet Melinda by coincidence, and UM, she talked about making
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Speaker 1: this documentary and I had heard about the case. The
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Speaker 1: Journal had written many stories over the years, both when
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Speaker 1: it occurred many years ago and also more recently some
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Speaker 1: anniversary stories, and I was just intrigued by what she
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Speaker 1: was doing and also by the fact she said that
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Speaker 1: she had been a schoolmate of of Tara's, and I
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Speaker 1: thought that was a really unique angle. Wow, you know what,
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Speaker 1: that fact had escaped me. Thank you for reminding me
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Speaker 1: of that. Rosalie right bern Mianda Escoball with me, who
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Speaker 1: has created a documentary and a podcast on Tara's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about knowing her at school. Tara was an upperclassman.
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Speaker 1: She was a year older than me. Um. We both
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Speaker 1: went to Belen High School and we were both in
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Speaker 1: competitive marching band together. And um, I knew of her
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Speaker 1: and she knew of me. You know, we had classes together.
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Speaker 1: But it wasn't till this trip to Arizona where I
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Speaker 1: was alone. I didn't have my friends with me, and
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Speaker 1: she really befriended me on this trip. And um, that's
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Speaker 1: how we became friends and friendly. When you say she
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Speaker 1: befriended you, tell me what is her? What was her personality?
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Speaker 1: I hate to speak of her in the past tense,
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to go with the present tense. What
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Speaker 1: is her personality? As you recall it. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: just remember her being a very sweet girl. And you know,
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Speaker 1: she went out of her way to show me kindness
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Speaker 1: when she didn't have to. And that's one thing that
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Speaker 1: really always has stuck in my mind, is that she
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Speaker 1: went out of her way to make sure that I
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Speaker 1: had a group to hang out with and to you know,
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Speaker 1: enjoy this trip that we took to Arizona. And she
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Speaker 1: was highly intelligent, you know, a very smart girl. She's
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Speaker 1: very pretty, and she was just a really sweet, sweet person.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've often asked this, Alan, and I know
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Speaker 1: what's rhetorical. Why do the good people become victimized? And
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Speaker 1: all the rats, the really mean people, they just live
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Speaker 1: on forever and ever. You know, it's nothing ever happens
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Speaker 1: to them. It's always the nice peep bowl like Tara Calico,
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Speaker 1: you know, that is inclusive and kind and befriends people.
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Speaker 1: But that's a whole another can of worms. You know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to imagine her out on her bike
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Speaker 1: that day, getting tailed seemingly friendly. Um with me again.
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Speaker 1: Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal and Melinda Escabell, who
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Speaker 1: has created a documentary and podcast so to you, Melinda.
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Speaker 1: That day it was early in the morning. As I recall,
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Speaker 1: early in the morning, she goes on her bike ride.
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Speaker 1: How long would it take her to do a turnaround
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Speaker 1: seventeen miles one way, seventeen miles on the way back. Well,
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Speaker 1: she started about nine am and she would it would
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Speaker 1: it would be noon when she would got home. When
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Speaker 1: she got home, she was expected home. She had a
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Speaker 1: tennis state at twelve thirty with her boyfriend at the time. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's always the boyfriend, the husband, the ex, the lover
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Speaker 1: that everybody looks at um to begin with. So did
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Speaker 1: a rule out the boyfriend? They did very early on.
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Speaker 1: They ruled out the boyfriend, the father, everybody had, you know,
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Speaker 1: where where they were supposed to be. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: they had reported the crime, but the sheriff's office stated
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Speaker 1: that they needed to wait twenty four hours before they
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Speaker 1: could actually report her missing. And so I know, Patty
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Speaker 1: was very strong handed about it and kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: somehow got the sheriff's office to comply after a number
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Speaker 1: of hours. Wow. You know, I can't tell you how
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Speaker 1: many times I've heard that Rosalie Rayburn and it really
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Speaker 1: drives me crazy. That and still to this day in
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Speaker 1: many police jurisdictions, they go, oh, you know what, that's
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Speaker 1: a grown woman. Uh that that that's a juvenile, she's
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Speaker 1: probably a runaway, or this one has a boyfriend, she's
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Speaker 1: run off. We're gonna wait, and they wait and they wait.
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Speaker 1: Then seventy two hours have passed. It's too late at
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Speaker 1: that point to recreate the disappearance as well as you
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Speaker 1: could have at the time. And the one thing we
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Speaker 1: do have going for us with Tara tar Calico, is
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Speaker 1: it happen in broad daylight? What rustily are you there?
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the police decision to wait? Well, why
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Speaker 1: did they wait? You know, I really don't. I can't
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Speaker 1: give a comment on that, but I have often heard, um,
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Speaker 1: as you were just intimating there. Uh, in some cases
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Speaker 1: police have said, you know, ours are really significant. Um,
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Speaker 1: almost like you know, they say a heart attack. Minutes
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Speaker 1: make a difference. And so it seems as though any
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Speaker 1: waiting in a case like this would mean that some
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Speaker 1: valuable clues might be lost. Um, valuable time is lost,
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Speaker 1: and so UM it is surprising that there was any
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Speaker 1: any waiting at all. I mean, you're right about the
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Speaker 1: minutes in its count as I always say to my husband,
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Speaker 1: red lights count because those are minutes they add up,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly you know you're looking at a half
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Speaker 1: an hour an hour and imagine a car going sixty
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Speaker 1: miles an hour. Okay, that's how much of a jump
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Speaker 1: want to get back to Tara Calico with me Rosalie
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Speaker 1: Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal, and Melinda Escabell, the creator
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Speaker 1: of a documentary and podcast about Tara's disappearance. Melinda her bike.
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Speaker 1: Her bike was never found, but as I recall, part
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Speaker 1: of her headset was found. There was a part of
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Speaker 1: the of her walkman that was found. UM on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. There was a tape that was found.
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Speaker 1: There was a part of the walkman. They were tired
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Speaker 1: tracks UH and bicycle tracks where she was pushed off
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Speaker 1: the side of the road. UM. There was a marijuana
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Speaker 1: pipe in the area that was found. UM so there
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Speaker 1: were a number of items that were found that we
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Speaker 1: have had to rebuild, you know, the evidence from the
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Speaker 1: ground up. Well, I'm interested in the marijuana pipe because
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Speaker 1: that's a new fact I didn't know about. I know
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Speaker 1: Tara did not smoke marijuana. So if it was in
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Speaker 1: close proximity to the walkman, the tape and the fire marks,
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Speaker 1: that would suggest it was from somebody in the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: which we now believe was a pickup with primer on it.
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Speaker 1: Was the pipe ever tested for d n A Okay,
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Speaker 1: So this is how that I don't like the way
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Speaker 1: that's starting off point. Whenever you say we have a situation,
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Speaker 1: that's never good, okay, So tell me was the pipe tested? Well,
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Speaker 1: it never got tested. The the boyfriend and her parents
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Speaker 1: were out looking at a certain area where a peace
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Speaker 1: was found in the tape um or the the walkman,
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Speaker 1: and so he noticed it was on a rock, sitting
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Speaker 1: straight up like not like someone threw it out a window,
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Speaker 1: like someone actually placed it perfectly on a rock. And
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Speaker 1: so he noticed it and he tried to pick it up,
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Speaker 1: barely touching it. And he said to the sheriff, um,
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Speaker 1: look what we found right here. And the sheriff grabbed
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Speaker 1: it in his hand and said, oh thanks, and he
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Speaker 1: put it in his pocket. Okay, when we just crossed,
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Speaker 1: where is it now? Is an evidence? Oh? No, it disappeared. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, just like everything else. Well, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean, like everything else? There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: evidence that was collected that day that has disappeared from
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Speaker 1: the sheriff's office. There was also a cooler with ether
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Speaker 1: and rag a rag found what okay, way through the
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Speaker 1: white Wait, why Alan did you know that part? A
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Speaker 1: cooler with ether and a rag? No, this is this
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Speaker 1: is bizarre, This is shocking. Okay, I've got to get
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Speaker 1: a little big pan here. A cooler with ether and
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Speaker 1: a rag. Okay, that's just way too much of a coincidence.
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Speaker 1: What Melinda Escombell, Are you sure about that? Or is
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Speaker 1: that now folk lore? You know? Someone who found it
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Speaker 1: came forward to me. Um. He is now an elected
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Speaker 1: official in the state, and he came forward and he said,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, and he said, myself and
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Speaker 1: my brothers were out there um searching, and this is
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Speaker 1: what we found. And we turned it into the sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: And we want to know if it's still in there.
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Speaker 1: And I said, no, it is not what sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: Is this the Valencia County Sheriff's office. Good grievy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if they've lost it, they should at least come clean
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Speaker 1: the Valencia County Sheriff's Okay, because let me tell you something.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this, Rosalie and and Alan Melinda. I recall um,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember the year exactly, but I had been
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Speaker 1: in the d a's office for a couple of years already,
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Speaker 1: and they elected d A then Lewis Layton. He was
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Speaker 1: the longest serving d A in the country at that time,
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Speaker 1: I think thirty four years. Anyway, he came to me
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Speaker 1: and said, a big case, and well, it was a
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Speaker 1: big case when it happened, has gotten reversed up in
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Speaker 1: the eleventh Circuit. He had gone all the way up
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Speaker 1: to one step below the U. S. Supreme Court reverse
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Speaker 1: because there were two perpetrators that had gunned down a
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Speaker 1: cops son right hold on the cops brother. Okay, the
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Speaker 1: brother was had just gotten engaged in He and his
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Speaker 1: fiancee were on the patio toasting with champagne, and these
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Speaker 1: two thugs that had just gotten out of jail come
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Speaker 1: creeping up to rob them, I guess, and and gun
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Speaker 1: the guy down. Okay, So they gave statements and they
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Speaker 1: were interlocking. In other words, they implicated the other. So
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Speaker 1: that had come into evidence, and it had The whole
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Speaker 1: thing had to be retried. And it was about fourteen
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Speaker 1: years later. This had happened, I guess when I was
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Speaker 1: in undergrad So I get the case fourteen years after
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Speaker 1: the conviction. I go to the evidence room to get
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Speaker 1: the evidence to start rebuilding the case. There was one thing,
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Speaker 1: one piece of evidence. It was the hat that said
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Speaker 1: kiss my bass. That was it. That was all the evidence,
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Speaker 1: and no nobody went in the office and hid it
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Speaker 1: or destroyed it. The property office had room had just
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Speaker 1: been moved a couple of times in fourteen years, and
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Speaker 1: the evidence was gone. No matter how much we looked,
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Speaker 1: we couldn't find it. So I had to recreate the case.
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Speaker 1: Can you only imagine this allen with one hat kissed
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Speaker 1: my bass. That came into play because at some point
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Speaker 1: one of the perps had used one of the victims
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Speaker 1: a t M card and he you couldn't see his face,
22:34
Speaker 1: but he was at the bank and he had on
22:37
Speaker 1: his hat kissed my bass or somebody was at the
22:40
Speaker 1: bank using the card with the hat on. That was
22:43
Speaker 1: my evidence. That was it. So I know what it
22:46
Speaker 1: means to lose evidence. Um, I'm interested in this. That
22:53
Speaker 1: case was over and done with and had probably everybody
22:58
Speaker 1: had probably decided it's already been healed, it's over with,
23:01
Speaker 1: but this case was still under investigation. Milanda Escabell a
23:07
Speaker 1: cooler with an ether and a rag in it near
23:11
Speaker 1: where Tara goes missing? What about the other evidence? What
23:17
Speaker 1: jump in? There was a lot of other evidence that
23:20
Speaker 1: is missing from the sheriff's office. When Patty Dole and
23:23
Speaker 1: John Doltar's parents had become deputized, is when they realized
23:27
Speaker 1: that files were missing from the sheriff's office, reports were
23:30
Speaker 1: missing from the sheriff's office, and that they actually believed
23:33
Speaker 1: that there was cover up within the sheriff's office to
23:37
Speaker 1: cover up what happened in this case. I'm just letting
23:41
Speaker 1: that sink him because typically I don't go for a
23:45
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory because I really think it's just too hard
23:49
Speaker 1: for human beings to keep a secret. But to lose
23:53
Speaker 1: a cooler with ether and a rag in it and
23:56
Speaker 1: a disappearance that's a pretty big boo boo. What other
24:01
Speaker 1: I mean convinced me? I want to, I want to,
24:03
Speaker 1: I want to hear about this. What other evidence do
24:06
Speaker 1: you believe has gone missing? Um? There was all the Okay,
24:11
Speaker 1: So when the Valencia County News Bulletin moved offices in
24:17
Speaker 1: the nineties, UM, all you know which can they have
24:21
Speaker 1: these books that contain all the news clippings of all
24:23
Speaker 1: the articles that they write in UH in the transfer
24:28
Speaker 1: into the new building, all the articles the book containing
24:31
Speaker 1: all the articles UH connected to Tar's case, with all
24:34
Speaker 1: the evidence that they found and everything that was collected
24:38
Speaker 1: during that investigation has disappeared. Now that you said was
24:42
Speaker 1: the newspaper, right. We also had people who came forward
24:46
Speaker 1: and were hypnotized, and their their reports from the hypnosis
24:51
Speaker 1: are from the from the doctor. The hypnotists have gone missing.
24:55
Speaker 1: There are interviews. There are reports in the Sheriff's office
24:58
Speaker 1: that allude to UM voice interviews that were conducted, and
25:03
Speaker 1: those interviews have gone missing. There are UM the actual
25:09
Speaker 1: tapes are missing. When UM, when the last sheriff went
25:13
Speaker 1: out of the office, I went out of office, and
25:15
Speaker 1: the new sheriff came and took over. They called me
25:18
Speaker 1: because there was a safe in the Sheriff's office and
25:20
Speaker 1: they said, we're going to open this safe. We want
25:22
Speaker 1: to see what's in there in case there's anything in
25:24
Speaker 1: regards to Tar's case. Well, what we found was UM,
25:29
Speaker 1: some interviews that had never previously been heard, and there
25:33
Speaker 1: was a file of a young well a guy who
25:37
Speaker 1: should be now in his sporties, except that he had
25:38
Speaker 1: passed away with his name on it. But the file
25:41
Speaker 1: was empty. And one of these boys was the son
25:43
Speaker 1: of a prominent politician, and it was wrapped up with
25:48
Speaker 1: these tapes, but the file was empty. What about the walkman?
25:55
Speaker 1: Is that missing too? Yes, everything is gone. The files.
25:58
Speaker 1: When I got into the shriff office, I was given
26:01
Speaker 1: exclusive access UM. The files were a disaster. Nothing was
26:07
Speaker 1: in order. There were files with names on it, and
26:09
Speaker 1: you could see that the the actual files inside the
26:12
Speaker 1: paper was taken out. Patty Dole has documented UM in
26:17
Speaker 1: her notes that she had to continuously provide the Sheriff's
26:22
Speaker 1: office with UM files to rebuild their cases because over
26:26
Speaker 1: the years they had continually got gone missing. And in
26:30
Speaker 1: my interview with Sheriff and a Rivera, he talks about
26:32
Speaker 1: having to build the case from the ground up because
26:35
Speaker 1: either people were not turning in there the reports that
26:39
Speaker 1: they were generating, or they were taking them. You know,
26:42
Speaker 1: it really seems to me that this is a matter
26:45
Speaker 1: for the attorney general, because I mean, that's the state,
26:49
Speaker 1: the state attorney general. Because when you are having issues
26:54
Speaker 1: with your police force, or you're having issues with another
26:58
Speaker 1: government entity, you go to the state attorney general. It's
27:03
Speaker 1: not that hard, you know, it sounds like a big deal.
27:07
Speaker 1: You go to their office and you file, you write
27:10
Speaker 1: a letter about what's going on, and then if you
27:12
Speaker 1: don't get an answer, you go there and you talk
27:14
Speaker 1: to them and they will look into it. Has that
27:18
Speaker 1: ever happened in this case? No, it is not. And
27:21
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that we could do that, but now
27:23
Speaker 1: that I'm aware, I will definitely go to them because
27:25
Speaker 1: this has been an uphill battle for seven years. Does
27:28
Speaker 1: Tara's mother cope with all of this? She passed away
27:35
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six and I didn't know that. Yeah,
27:40
Speaker 1: and her biological father died before Patty died. So her
27:44
Speaker 1: siblings are left. Her brothers, her stepsisters, and her stepfather
27:49
Speaker 1: um are the only ones who are left. And so
27:51
Speaker 1: it's really up to you, I guess all of us
27:56
Speaker 1: to try to keep the case alive, right, and the
27:58
Speaker 1: other person, you know another thing I want to go back.
28:02
Speaker 1: Go ahead, dear, I'm the other person who's been helping
28:04
Speaker 1: me with this case is Tara Calico's sister, stepsister, Michelle
28:07
Speaker 1: doll Um. You know, UH Sheriff's UH administrations have come
28:12
Speaker 1: and gone. We've had a task force that has come
28:14
Speaker 1: and gone. But the only thing consistent in this case
28:16
Speaker 1: is myself, the Michelle. I want to talk about the
28:20
Speaker 1: polar I'm gonna come back to the missing evidence, but
28:23
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the photos that were found. Um.
28:28
Speaker 1: Photos were found all the way in Florida, Florida, as
28:34
Speaker 1: I recall it um. In the photos, there are two
28:38
Speaker 1: unidentified people. It's a polaroid. It was found in the
28:41
Speaker 1: hot weeks of Jean. It is suspected this female is
28:47
Speaker 1: Tara Calico. There is a boy, a young boy, in
28:51
Speaker 1: the background. It looks like they're sitting on a bed,
28:54
Speaker 1: and there is a pale blue and white striped pillow
28:57
Speaker 1: between them. Sitting beside the girl is a book. It's
29:03
Speaker 1: a paperback copy of VC Andrew's My Sweet Adrina, And
29:07
Speaker 1: it has been said that is one of was one
29:10
Speaker 1: of Calico's favorite books. Now, Scotland Yard has analyzed this
29:16
Speaker 1: photo and concluded the woman is Calico. A second analysis
29:24
Speaker 1: by the Los Alamos National Lab disagrees the FBI is inconclusive.
29:32
Speaker 1: But what's very telling is that Calico's mom says it
29:37
Speaker 1: is her. What do you think about those photos? That
29:42
Speaker 1: one photo, Melinda, and where was it found? It was
29:45
Speaker 1: found in Port Saint Joe, Florida, in a convenient store
29:48
Speaker 1: parking lot. A woman had drove in and she had
29:53
Speaker 1: seen a white van park next to her. She went inside,
29:57
Speaker 1: um into the convenience store, and when she came out,
30:00
Speaker 1: the van was gone, but turned upside down was this
30:03
Speaker 1: photo line on the ground. And she picked it up
30:05
Speaker 1: and looked at it and immediately took it to the
30:07
Speaker 1: police because she was horrified um at what she saw.
30:11
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the important things about what
30:13
Speaker 1: was found in that photo is not that it was
30:17
Speaker 1: Tar's favorite book, but it was Tar's favorite author. And
30:20
Speaker 1: the important thing about that book is that there was
30:22
Speaker 1: a number UM that had been etched into the side
30:25
Speaker 1: of the book, a phone number. And what what was
30:30
Speaker 1: the number? I mean, what did it go to? UM?
30:33
Speaker 1: They had like over two hundred conclusions of what that
30:36
Speaker 1: number could be, and so they were never able to
30:38
Speaker 1: identify where it went through who it belonged to. There
30:42
Speaker 1: was two over two hundred different combinations. And now the mother,
30:47
Speaker 1: Calico's mother insists that's her. Didn't she see a scar
30:52
Speaker 1: on the in the picture on the woman's leg that
30:54
Speaker 1: she says matches a scar Tar got in an accident? Correct,
30:59
Speaker 1: a Matt just far on Tara exactly over time, you know,
31:04
Speaker 1: people can change pictures and not that great. The mom
31:07
Speaker 1: could have been wrong about the idea, but a scar,
31:10
Speaker 1: that's just too much of a coincidence for it to
31:13
Speaker 1: be anybody else. Plus the book by her favorite author.
31:18
Speaker 1: Now there's a boy in the picture as well, Michael Henley.
31:22
Speaker 1: It was believed to be. Cops later say they had
31:25
Speaker 1: found Henley's remains in the Zooni Mountains, about seven miles
31:30
Speaker 1: from where he went disappearing from a family campsite. Were
31:34
Speaker 1: those remains positively identified as Henley? Do we know that, Melinda? Well,
31:41
Speaker 1: I know that they found the remains. I don't think
31:46
Speaker 1: they were positively identified. And then he was cremated, Oh
31:50
Speaker 1: dear Lord, and had what I understand. So I don't
31:52
Speaker 1: know if so, we don't really know that that was him, Okay,
31:56
Speaker 1: all right, so that's kind of a non starter right there.
32:00
Speaker 1: Also with me Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal. Rosalie,
32:04
Speaker 1: I'm just amazed. I want to just touch back on
32:08
Speaker 1: all the lost evidence in the Valencia Sheriff's Office. Well,
32:13
Speaker 1: you know, we've had many stories about this over the years,
32:17
Speaker 1: and all of the details, um about uh, the disappearance
32:23
Speaker 1: and the vehicle following uh Tara, those are all details
32:30
Speaker 1: that we've reported in stories. I can't can't comment on
32:33
Speaker 1: the evidence being missing. UM. She obviously has more details
32:38
Speaker 1: than that, and maybe people have talked to her that
32:41
Speaker 1: would certainly not go on the record, and and we
32:44
Speaker 1: would not use, you know, information that we couldn't put
32:47
Speaker 1: on the record. Um. But it has been a case
32:51
Speaker 1: that is really been followed by people, even though it
32:55
Speaker 1: is now many years she originally went missing on September twenty.
33:02
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about the missing evidence and why it's missing,
33:07
Speaker 1: and why it keeps becoming missing. And it really seems
33:11
Speaker 1: to me that Tara's family is in a horrible predicament
33:17
Speaker 1: because they've never gotten answers about her disappearance, and they
33:22
Speaker 1: have to deal with the specter true or not, that
33:25
Speaker 1: there was some type of a cover up going on.
33:28
Speaker 1: With me, special guest Melinda Escabelle, who has created a
33:32
Speaker 1: documentary Vanished the Tara Calicos Story and a podcast Vanished
33:38
Speaker 1: the Tara Calico Investigation. You can download that and here
33:43
Speaker 1: many many more details. Also with me are renewed journalists
33:46
Speaker 1: from the Albuquerque Journal, Rosalie Rayburn, who has covered this
33:50
Speaker 1: story as well. I want to talk about the specter
33:54
Speaker 1: of a cover up, the specter of a cover up.
33:59
Speaker 1: Both Rose Silly Rayburn, Emmilin to Escombal have alluded to it.
34:04
Speaker 1: But is there a cover up? Russellie Rayburn, Albuquerque Journal. Well,
34:11
Speaker 1: you know, we've had many stories about this over the years,
34:15
Speaker 1: and all of the details um about uh, the disappearance
34:21
Speaker 1: and the vehicle following uh Tara, those are all details
34:27
Speaker 1: that we've reported in stories. I can't can't comment on
34:30
Speaker 1: the evidence being missing. UM. She obviously has more details
34:35
Speaker 1: than that, and maybe people have talked to her that
34:37
Speaker 1: would certainly not go on the record, and and we
34:40
Speaker 1: would not use, you know, information that we couldn't put
34:43
Speaker 1: on the record. Um, but it has been a case
34:47
Speaker 1: that is really been followed by people, even though it
34:51
Speaker 1: is now many years She originally went missing on September
34:55
Speaker 1: twentie nine, Rayburn when the albu Querque Journal, I don't
34:59
Speaker 1: really understand that all this time after her disappearance, Renee Rivera,
35:04
Speaker 1: the sheriff of Lindsay County, claimed he knew what happened
35:08
Speaker 1: to Tara, and according to Rivera, a group of guys
35:13
Speaker 1: drove up behind her in a truck and uh an accident,
35:18
Speaker 1: as they say followed. And I don't know how that
35:20
Speaker 1: can be an accident when you're tailing a biker and
35:23
Speaker 1: then there's a crash that doesn't really sound like an accident,
35:27
Speaker 1: but that she died and the people responsible covered up
35:31
Speaker 1: the crime. He also said he knows the names of
35:36
Speaker 1: the people involved, but without a body could not make
35:39
Speaker 1: an arrest. He never released any evidence that led him
35:43
Speaker 1: to the conclusion. To this day, no arrest has ever
35:48
Speaker 1: been made. We did a story one of my colleagues
35:51
Speaker 1: that the Elbuquerquet Journal wrote a story in nineteen and
35:55
Speaker 1: two thousand eight on the twentieth anniversary of her disappearance,
36:00
Speaker 1: and in the story, she had interviewed the sheriff, the
36:04
Speaker 1: former Valencia County Sheriff, Renee Rivera, whom Melinda has talked about,
36:10
Speaker 1: and she quoted him clearly saying that the individuals who
36:15
Speaker 1: did harm to Tara, Tara knew who she was, They
36:19
Speaker 1: knew who she was, and they're all local individuals. And
36:24
Speaker 1: he definitely says there, and we did have on the
36:28
Speaker 1: record in this story essentially that there was people who
36:32
Speaker 1: had helped with what sounds like distinctly a cover up.
36:36
Speaker 1: And there was a similar story in the Valencia County
36:41
Speaker 1: News Bulletin UM that more or less said the same thing.
36:44
Speaker 1: So it certainly sounds as though there is information out
36:49
Speaker 1: there which has not been revealed for some specific purpose. Also,
36:55
Speaker 1: Calicos on stepfather John Doe, he disputed all of that,
37:00
Speaker 1: saying the sheriff should never have stated that stated that
37:03
Speaker 1: made those comments if he's not willing to make an arrest. Now,
37:07
Speaker 1: I want to go to Melinda Escabell, the creator of
37:11
Speaker 1: Vanished the Tar Calico Story and Vanish Tatar Calico Investigation podcast.
37:18
Speaker 1: Why I mean you don't have to have a body
37:21
Speaker 1: to make a murder case, Melinda, Well, he Sheriff Rivera
37:26
Speaker 1: had stated to me that um. You know, at the
37:31
Speaker 1: time when I had first met him, there was a
37:35
Speaker 1: statute of limitations on first degree felonies. That um was
37:39
Speaker 1: fifteen years five months. I've never heard of there being
37:45
Speaker 1: a statute on murder, a statute of limitations on murder.
37:49
Speaker 1: It was not exclusive to rape and murder. But there
37:51
Speaker 1: was a young girl who took her rape case all
37:54
Speaker 1: the way to the New Mexico State Supreme Court, and
37:56
Speaker 1: in this historic and landmark ruling, she overturned the statute
37:59
Speaker 1: dating back tonight Needy too. So currently there's no statute.
38:02
Speaker 1: But at that time, what the sheriff's office had told
38:05
Speaker 1: me is that even if the boys came in with
38:08
Speaker 1: her body and said that they did it, they couldn't
38:11
Speaker 1: do anything about it. Well, the statute has been overturned
38:13
Speaker 1: since then. I don't know the exact details of it,
38:16
Speaker 1: but the minute that statute was overturned, it was in
38:20
Speaker 1: the news. And the next day people were showing up
38:22
Speaker 1: at my mother's property threatening me, spray painting silent on
38:26
Speaker 1: her fence and things like that. And also, I'd like
38:31
Speaker 1: to go back to what happened to Tara on the
38:33
Speaker 1: road that day and what we have discovered through different interviews,
38:38
Speaker 1: we were told that people have come forward stating that
38:42
Speaker 1: there was boys following her. They were cat calling her,
38:45
Speaker 1: they were trying to grab her, apparently claiming they wanted
38:48
Speaker 1: to take her to a party that was happening that day. Um,
38:51
Speaker 1: they were drunk and high in this vehicle and when
38:56
Speaker 1: they were trying to grab at her, they knocked her
38:58
Speaker 1: off her bike. Calico then got up and took off running.
39:03
Speaker 1: And when she took off running, one of the boys
39:05
Speaker 1: followed in the truck and one of the boys followed
39:07
Speaker 1: on foot running after her. They grabbed her, and then
39:10
Speaker 1: when they grabbed her, two other friends showed up in
39:12
Speaker 1: another vehicle, and UM, I'm told that they raped her.
39:17
Speaker 1: And when she all the boys raped her, and she
39:20
Speaker 1: got up and said, I'm going to tell I'm going
39:22
Speaker 1: to call the police. I'm gonna tell on all of you.
39:24
Speaker 1: And that's when they took her back down and one
39:27
Speaker 1: of the boys ran to the truck, got a hunting
39:29
Speaker 1: knife and stabbed her to death. That's pretty detailed. And
39:32
Speaker 1: she wouldn't die, so they started kicking her in the
39:35
Speaker 1: head because as you know, well I don't know. I mean,
39:37
Speaker 1: people say that it's not easy to kill someone, but um,
39:40
Speaker 1: that is what we've come to understand. And then everybody
39:43
Speaker 1: was looking for her immediately, so they started to move
39:46
Speaker 1: the body, and they got scared, so they were moving
39:49
Speaker 1: her body to a bunch of different places, and that's
39:51
Speaker 1: when their friends got involved in diverting what was happening.
39:56
Speaker 1: What do you mean by diverting what was happening, you know,
39:59
Speaker 1: trying to hide the body, trying to you know, throw
40:02
Speaker 1: people off the trail of what happened, trying to move
40:05
Speaker 1: the crime, seeing things like that. I'm just trying to
40:08
Speaker 1: absorb what you're telling me right now. It seems like
40:11
Speaker 1: with that many, that many people involved, that somebody would
40:17
Speaker 1: come forward and tell the truth. Well, the boys that
40:20
Speaker 1: we believe that that one of the boys, you know,
40:22
Speaker 1: has a family member that was a prominent politician, and
40:26
Speaker 1: the other boys had family members that were empowerful physicians
40:28
Speaker 1: in the county, and so they were able to you know,
40:32
Speaker 1: people were threatened over the years that have come forward
40:35
Speaker 1: to me and told me they were threatened. There was
40:37
Speaker 1: a young boy who was friends with Tara, and he
40:40
Speaker 1: had a friend he had a relative in the neighboring
40:44
Speaker 1: county sheriff's office and he was asked to leave the search, stating,
40:49
Speaker 1: you know too much your friends with these boys, and
40:50
Speaker 1: you need to leave. Your life is in danger. There
40:53
Speaker 1: were powerful sources trying to cover up this crime. You know,
40:57
Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed at what I'm hearing and why this
40:59
Speaker 1: has gone beyond the Valencia Sheriff's office. Who's the current
41:05
Speaker 1: sheriff now, Melinda. The current sheriff is Louis Burkhard, and
41:09
Speaker 1: we he's really been trying to help us get dis solved.
41:12
Speaker 1: He's not from the county. He doesn't have relatives or
41:16
Speaker 1: you know, inside the county, which has been helpful because
41:19
Speaker 1: um even you know, as far as the task force
41:22
Speaker 1: that was formed in two thousand and thirteen, it consisted
41:25
Speaker 1: of five agencies. It was Valencia County Sheriff's office, it
41:29
Speaker 1: was Berna Leio County, Albuquerque Police Department, State Police, and
41:33
Speaker 1: led by Homeland Security. Well after you know, when they
41:37
Speaker 1: had started this task force, people were being interviewed, we
41:40
Speaker 1: discovered there was a leak and we couldn't figure out
41:42
Speaker 1: where it was. Well, the sister Michelle helped figure out
41:46
Speaker 1: where the leak was and we found out it was
41:48
Speaker 1: in State police and they were excused from the task force.
41:52
Speaker 1: If you care about this case, if you want to
41:56
Speaker 1: make a difference, you can contact Sheriff Lewis Burke Hard
42:00
Speaker 1: at five zero five eight six six hundred. Louis Burkhard,
42:08
Speaker 1: the County, the New County Sheriff there, Valencia County, five
42:12
Speaker 1: zero five eight six six hundred. Do you ever feel
42:19
Speaker 1: that you have heard something or something comes to your
42:23
Speaker 1: attention on purpose for a reason, you are hearing the
42:28
Speaker 1: story today of Tara Calico. Her mom and dad are
42:34
Speaker 1: no longer here to continue the fight, to continue seeking
42:39
Speaker 1: justice for Tara Calico. But we can through the Valencia
42:44
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office there at four four four Luna Avenue,
42:49
Speaker 1: PO Box one nine, Las Lunas, New Mexico again phone
42:55
Speaker 1: number five zero five eight six six, two thousand and
43:00
Speaker 1: and one. That is how to reach the Valencia County
43:05
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. And then of course there is the State
43:10
Speaker 1: Attorney General. Let me ask you, Melinda, who is left
43:15
Speaker 1: in her family that would be willing to the state
43:19
Speaker 1: Attorney General, Her sister Michelle Doll, who I work with
43:24
Speaker 1: on this case, and uh, you know, I just want
43:27
Speaker 1: to say something really quick. Um, there are a lot
43:30
Speaker 1: of people who are afraid to go to the sheriff's
43:32
Speaker 1: office because of everything that has happened over the years.
43:35
Speaker 1: And so if they're afraid to go to the sheriff's
43:37
Speaker 1: they can go to the FBI because it is now
43:40
Speaker 1: an open case with the FBI. They have reopened this case.
43:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know the FBI had reopened it. Yes, it
43:46
Speaker 1: just happened recently because people were you know, there's a
43:49
Speaker 1: lot of pressure from the media and people are scared
43:53
Speaker 1: to go to the sheriff's office. They know there's some
43:55
Speaker 1: type of cover up, and you know, they are fearful
43:58
Speaker 1: for their lives. Back to the Attorney in General, it's
44:00
Speaker 1: Hector Balderis, and there's a toll free number from in
44:06
Speaker 1: Santa Fe one eight four four two five five n
44:10
Speaker 1: one zero eight four four two five five nine two
44:13
Speaker 1: one zero, Albuquerque eight four four two five five nine
44:18
Speaker 1: two one zero, same thing, same thing throughout. You can
44:23
Speaker 1: get through to the Attorney General Hector Balderis. Now, tell me,
44:30
Speaker 1: you were just saying that the FBI is now in
44:33
Speaker 1: on the case. How did that happen? Melinda escobell I
44:38
Speaker 1: was told by the sister she had received a phone
44:40
Speaker 1: call from them, and I guess there's a lot of
44:42
Speaker 1: media pressure about solving this case, and so they had
44:47
Speaker 1: stated that that that is why they decided to reopen it.
44:50
Speaker 1: And I think there was a lot of speculation about
44:52
Speaker 1: the cover up in the county. Wow, and so they
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Speaker 1: they decided to reopen the case. And you know, people
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Speaker 1: are definitely you know, they tell us, we don't want
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Speaker 1: to go to the Sherif's office. We are scared to death,
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Speaker 1: Kent where else can we go? And you know, when
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Speaker 1: the when the test Force was open, we told him
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Speaker 1: go to the task Force, but that you know, had
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Speaker 1: shut down for a number of reasons. And but now
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Speaker 1: the FBI is actively you know, investigating, so they can
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Speaker 1: definitely go to the FBI. It's amazing to me that
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Speaker 1: it's gone this far that now the FBI has to
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Speaker 1: be in on it. What's the response of the family
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Speaker 1: about the FBI now being involved in the case. I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, they're happy about it because we've been very
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Speaker 1: frustrated the Galensa County Sherif's office. They don't have the
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Speaker 1: budget to you know, really keep this going, so they
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Speaker 1: do it in between everything else. Well with the current
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Speaker 1: crimes they've got their fighting. Let me give out the
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Speaker 1: FBI number in the Albuquerque area. It is five zero
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Speaker 1: five eight eight nine. If you don't want to go
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Speaker 1: through state channels. FBI number five zero five eight eight nine.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank Rosalie Rayburn from the Albuquerque Journal
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Speaker 1: and Melinda Escobal. Melinda Escobell has created documentary and the
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Speaker 1: podcast about Tara Calico Vanished, The Tar Calico Story, The
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Speaker 1: Tar Calico Investigation that you can download. We're not giving
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Speaker 1: up in the search for the truth about what happened
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Speaker 1: to Tara Calico. Nancy Grace crime Story. Signing off, Goodbye friend,