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Full Show Podcast: 30 September 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Fridge on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning. Six after five. Great to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: David Seymour on the surplus this morning. The UK will
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  Speaker 2: go to Gavin. The electoral suicide. That's our summer describing.
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  Speaker 2: Burnham's moves on pensions. We'll talk about that. Plus, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to vote for your mayor by post in Auckland,
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  Speaker 2: you won't be able to, unfortunately. And we'll look at
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  Speaker 2: top's bottom line, particularly their bottom trawling bottom line. Industry
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  Speaker 2: outraged by it this morning. It is Wednesday the 30th
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  Speaker 2: of September. Marco Rubio says a foreign actor was involved
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  Speaker 2: in this potential terror plot on an airbase.
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  Speaker 3: What happened, what almost happened, what could have happened in
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  Speaker 3: the UK over the weekend is a very serious situation.
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  Speaker 3: It's one that clearly involves the hands of a foreign actor.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to thank the authorities in the United
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  Speaker 3: Kingdom who have been very cooperative.
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  Speaker 2: Some are saying the incident was just the politicians trying
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  Speaker 2: to create a cry wolf situation.
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  Speaker 4: You test the defences of your adversary to see what
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  Speaker 4: their reaction is. That can be just to see what happened,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so you set something up to test the
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  Speaker 4: reaction that comes from your adversary. The other one is
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  Speaker 4: you can do it to make them look stupid and
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  Speaker 4: a gross overreaction occurs on the part of your adversary
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  Speaker 4: and then you have the whole cry wolf situation in
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  Speaker 4: the future where you carry out a real attack.
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  Speaker 2: It is odd that they have let them go on bail,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it? Let's go to Andy Burnham now. He's given
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  Speaker 2: his first Labour conference speech as UK Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: he's going after the pension triple lock. From 2030, he
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  Speaker 2: wants to change how pensions increase to help fund adult
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  Speaker 2: social care. That's where you get looked after. Pensions still
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  Speaker 2: protected against inflation or a 2.5% floor.
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  Speaker 5: When I was a new MP, I despaired at what
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  Speaker 5: I saw. My gran's engagement ring ripped from her finger
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  Speaker 5: and stolen in a care home. Care not worthy of
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  Speaker 5: the name. I vowed then to fight for something better
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  Speaker 5: for my parents' generation. And here we are, 25 years later.
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  Speaker 5: If anything, it's worse today than it was then.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's going to meet with AI bosses at the White
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  Speaker 2: House today. OpenAI has delayed the rollout of a new model.
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  Speaker 2: A bit of a bromance talk going on.
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  Speaker 6: I also have to thank the man who initially envisioned
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  Speaker 6: the transformation of government through technology and brought us the
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  Speaker 6: talent to get the job done. And that's Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 6: And he's coming up here, as you know, in a
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  Speaker 6: little while.
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  Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on Early Edition with Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Bridge and Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. Time is eight minutes after five. 9292 is
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  Speaker 2: the number to text. So if you believe the polls,
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  Speaker 2: then you believe that opportunity will get across 5%. I
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  Speaker 2: personally don't think it's going to happen. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a flash in the pan, but they
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  Speaker 2: won't do it. However, if you are to believe that
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  Speaker 2: they get over 5% and they have some kind of
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  Speaker 2: say or kingmaker position in who forms the next government,
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  Speaker 2: then you should care about their bottom lines, and they
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  Speaker 2: released them yesterday. All of them, well, most of them
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  Speaker 2: are pretty benign, but the bottom trawling is interesting. So
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Milne for Newsroom has done a great piece on this,
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  Speaker 2: and it's basically industry reaction to what's happened yesterday. after,
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  Speaker 2: in the 24 hours or 12 hours, whatever it's been
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  Speaker 2: since she announced these bottom lines, so getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: bottom trawling in New Zealand is essentially, if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to the industry, going to wipe out the seafood industry
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  Speaker 2: completely from this country, an island nation surrounded by water. 70%
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  Speaker 2: of New Zealand fishing is done by trawlers. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the industry, seafood industry, worth $ 2. 4 billion direct in GDP,
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  Speaker 2: generates $ 6. 4 billion in economic activity, 15,000 jobs. What are
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  Speaker 2: we going to do with all those jobs? Where are
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  Speaker 2: all those people going to go? Now, Chief Executive of Moana,
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  Speaker 2: this is Steve Tarrant, the big Maori-owned fishing company, he
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  Speaker 2: says it is irresponsible for any political party to propose
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  Speaker 2: effectively shutting down an entire industry through a single blanket policy,
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  Speaker 2: that is not grounded in robust science, evidence, or a
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  Speaker 2: credible assessment of the consequences. And yet, Opportunity and Q.
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  Speaker 2: Le Wong have done that. The trawling ban makes no mention,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, of hundreds of millions of dollars in
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  Speaker 2: treaty settlements that are tied up in fishing. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: even mention that. In the Pacific, the idea is that
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  Speaker 2: you will have, so in international waters, outside New Zealand's
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  Speaker 2: exclusive economic zone, New Zealand trawlers wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 2: bottom trawl. New Zealand fishers wouldn't be able to bottom
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  Speaker 2: trawl there. But some other mugger would come in and
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  Speaker 2: do it anyway. So what the hell's the point in
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  Speaker 2: this whole thing? And this idea that somehow there will
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  Speaker 2: be an alternative method that somebody will dream up and
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  Speaker 2: will replace all the bottom trawling that we are doing
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  Speaker 2: in New Zealand, they say is fanciful. So very interesting piece.
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  Speaker 2: I think you should go and have a read of it.
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  Speaker 2: What do we do without fishing? 5.11, Newstalk ZB. Coming
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  Speaker 2: up next, we'll look at AI. OpenAI is scrapping their
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  Speaker 2: new model, safety concerns. What's that going to do to
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  Speaker 2: their bottom line?
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  Speaker 1: Ryan bridge on early edition with spark for business technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving news talk.
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  Speaker 2: Zb 513 the other question out of the pre-food from
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  Speaker 2: yesterday is for labor and that's about their capital gains
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  Speaker 2: tax so they have conservatively estimated that they need three
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  Speaker 2: percent in capital gains to pay for the doctor's visits
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  Speaker 2: that we are all going to enjoy well this would
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  Speaker 2: have landed like a ton of bricks on Labour yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: the pre-foo numbers for how much capital gain we will
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  Speaker 2: actually get. So Treasury forecasting yesterday backwards 0.4 for 26,
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  Speaker 2: just 0.6% growth in 27, 2.4 in 28, 3.7 in
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  Speaker 2: 29 and 4.1 in 2030. So the average across the
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  Speaker 2: period from which Labour expects, remember they need 3%. The
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  Speaker 2: average on these numbers is growth of 3.12%, which is very,
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  Speaker 2: very close, within a hair's breadth, to use an expression
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  Speaker 2: Nicola Willis overused yesterday, of them not meeting the target.
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  Speaker 2: And once you don't meet the target, then how do
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  Speaker 2: you pay for the doctor's visits? OpenAI is scrapping the
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  Speaker 2: rollout of its new model. This is Astra 6.1 over
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  Speaker 2: safety concerns. Company says, quote, it didn't quite meet the
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  Speaker 2: bar in terms of staying within the scope of authorization.
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  Speaker 2: Oscar Howell is tech commentator with us this morning.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, Oscar. Hey, Ryan. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you. So is this like a real
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  Speaker 2: concern or is it just because we've had so many
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  Speaker 2: bad headlines lately that they are thinking they should do
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  Speaker 2: something about it?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think it's probably a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of both, really. Ultimately, you can't really have these rogue
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  Speaker 7: AIs going off and doing what they want. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: one of their recent models, I'm not sure if hacked
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  Speaker 7: is the right word, but gained unauthorized entry into a
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  Speaker 7: number of Australian government systems, which seems to be what
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  Speaker 7: may have prompted the kind of rollback of this model.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it seems to be a growing problem as
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  Speaker 7: these models become more and more advanced, but definitely something
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  Speaker 7: to be thinking about.
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  Speaker 2: So all very well that OpenAI has come out and said,
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  Speaker 2: we will make sure our models either don't go ahead
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  Speaker 2: or have guardrails around them. But there's nothing stopping other
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  Speaker 2: firms from having the exact same technology with no guardrails, right?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty good summary of it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, ultimately, there's very little legislation or regulation around
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  Speaker 7: the world that kind of insulates any sort of, you know,
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  Speaker 7: organization or government from the effects of these AIs. So, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean, you've seen a number of kind of
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  Speaker 7: quite high profile security issues from both of the big
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  Speaker 7: ones in the Western market. You've got China with deep sea. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I think it's a bit of a wild west at
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  Speaker 7: the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Oscar, where are we at with having AI defend all
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  Speaker 2: of the government agencies, all of the websites, everything that's vulnerable?
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  Speaker 2: Can we not have the AI do the opposite and
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  Speaker 2: protect them all?
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  Speaker 7: Well, isn't that the plot of Terminator? I mean, it
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  Speaker 7: worries me a little bit, to be honest. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: there's an old proverb by one of the managers at IBM,
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  Speaker 7: which said a computer can't be held accountable, so it
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  Speaker 7: should never make a management decision. So I certainly wouldn't
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  Speaker 7: be putting it in charge of the nukes or putting
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  Speaker 7: it in charge of any sensitive government databases. And that's
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  Speaker 7: something I think, yeah, like I said, I think we
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  Speaker 7: need to be talking about, certainly.
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  Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show. Oscar Howell, who's
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  Speaker 2: a tech commentator. Time is 17 minutes after five.
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  Speaker 5: Ryan Bridge.
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  Speaker 2: Sheen, you know, the company where you go and buy
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  Speaker 2: really cheap stuff and it comes shipped to you from China. Well,
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  Speaker 2: their shares are down 11%. They posted a 67% drop
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  Speaker 2: in profits for the second quarter.
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they have competitors. And you would have noticed this.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever you go on a website, like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: whether you go on Sheen or you go on, what's
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  Speaker 2: the other one? There's Alibaba. What's the other one, Kenzie?
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  Speaker 6: Teemu.
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  Speaker 2: Timu is a big one. And they have, you know
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  Speaker 2: you're on one of these sites when they have some
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  Speaker 2: sort of wheel spinning and you can win a prize.
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  Speaker 2: That's the first clue that something is awry. Anyway, this
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  Speaker 2: one in particular has more competition from others just like it.
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  Speaker 2: But also over in America and in Europe, they have
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  Speaker 2: scrapped a tax exemption for small parcels. And these are
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  Speaker 2: usually quite small and cheap parcels. Both of those things
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  Speaker 2: hitting their bottom line. 18 After 5, you're on Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about voting by post in Auckland next.
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  Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in-depth analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Early edition with Ryan Bridge and Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. 5.20, Ryan, this is from Craig. So the
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  Speaker 2: Opportunity Party going to decimate the bottom trawling industry. Once again,
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  Speaker 2: politicians thinking about themselves and no one else, especially those
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  Speaker 2: who are actually doing the work. Zane says, Ryan, hey mate,
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  Speaker 2: no one believes Treasury's pre-foo numbers. The last time Treasury
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  Speaker 2: got anything right I had here, and that was decades ago.
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  Speaker 2: So Auckland Council is ditching postal voting. Fraud scandals during
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  Speaker 2: the 2025 vote undermined public confidence in democracy. Their words
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  Speaker 2: voted to adopt a booth voting system now. That's going
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  Speaker 2: to cost tens of millions of dollars. Richard Hills is
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  Speaker 2: Auckland Councillor, joins us live this morning. Richard, good morning.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: So I can understand why you've done it, because you
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  Speaker 2: don't want people, you don't, I mean, no one votes
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  Speaker 2: in local elections, barely votes in local elections anyway. The
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  Speaker 2: last thing you want is for those who do vote
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  Speaker 2: to be committing fraud.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, voter turnout is low, and we're not
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  Speaker 8: saying that this change itself would completely change the turnout,
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  Speaker 8: but I think it would help the integrity of the elections,
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  Speaker 8: the trust of the elections. I mean, I'm delivering pamphlets
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  Speaker 8: during elections and just see piles of voting papers sitting
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  Speaker 8: in the rain and being eaten by snails. And sadly,
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  Speaker 8: we did have some significant legal issues and alleged theft
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  Speaker 8: and photos of, you know, you would have seen the
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  Speaker 8: photos online of people holding hundreds of papers in their hands,
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  Speaker 8: clearly voting illegally. And I think it's just time to
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  Speaker 8: move away from posts. I mean, nobody uses... the post
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  Speaker 8: for anything apart from local elections now. So it's a
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  Speaker 8: time to move to booth voting. It is more expensive, though.
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  Speaker 8: But I guess, you know, how much value do you
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  Speaker 8: put on democracy? I think it's important that we move
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  Speaker 8: to booth voting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a necessary evil, isn't it? Why
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  Speaker 2: the cost? So estimated to cost up to $ 40 million
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  Speaker 2: compared to $ 16 million for postal voting.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so the main cost is people and the technology
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  Speaker 8: and the printing. So obviously you have to print more
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  Speaker 8: ballots because there's more places, much like the central government elections.
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  Speaker 8: So central government elections are sort of hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 8: of dollars. So if you extrapolate that to Auckland, a
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  Speaker 8: third of the country, that's why the cost is pretty high.
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  Speaker 8: So we're going to have to have people at the
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  Speaker 8: booths right around the city and making sure we've got
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  Speaker 8: good coverage. printing and, of course, all the technology and
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  Speaker 8: new computers and stuff to make sure we've got the
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  Speaker 8: electoral roll sitting there. We would like the Electoral Commission
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  Speaker 8: to take over this process. There would be savings there.
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  Speaker 8: That still doesn't happen. So we have to do it
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  Speaker 8: ourselves and bring in all the, you know, enrollment and
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  Speaker 8: all the advertising and everything, you know, unique to Auckland.
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  Speaker 8: So there could be savings if we did it sort
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  Speaker 8: of nationally through the process and use the same system
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  Speaker 8: as the government, but we don't.
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  Speaker 2: It's still 2% of rates, according to Wayne Brown. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it is a lot of money. Is it not?
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  Speaker 8: It's not quite 2%. So yesterday we put a ceiling,
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  Speaker 8: which I don't believe is possible, an aim of $ 20 million,
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  Speaker 8: which is about... You know, less than 1%. 1% of
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  Speaker 8: rates is about $ 32 million. So it's about 1%. And
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  Speaker 8: of course, we're only going to spend $ 16. So half
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  Speaker 8: a percent.
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder sometimes, Richard, with all of the advertising
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  Speaker 2: that goes on, and it's happening with the central government elections.
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  Speaker 2: Do we need to... I mean, people live in a democracy.
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  Speaker 2: You can vote or you cannot vote. Do we really
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  Speaker 2: need to blast them with advertising all the time? Because
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  Speaker 2: that's expensive.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we discussed that too.
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  Speaker 7: It's more.
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  Speaker 8: you know, where your voting places are, how to vote,
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  Speaker 8: the fact it's on. Sadly, a lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 8: don't necessarily go about their lives that interested in politics
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  Speaker 8: as you and I are. So it is important to
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  Speaker 8: advertise it and try and increase awareness of how you
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  Speaker 8: can find out about your candidates and how you can
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  Speaker 8: actually vote. But yeah, we did discuss how can you
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  Speaker 8: cut that back? How can you make sure you've got
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  Speaker 8: a good level of, you know, awareness without, you know,
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  Speaker 8: blasting as you say on big billboards around the city etc.
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  Speaker 2: All right richard hills auckland councillor it is 24 minutes
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  Speaker 2: after five.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan bridge very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Although i did know even though they've put all of
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  Speaker 2: the ads out they've done all of the comms they've
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  Speaker 2: got all the media releases and the billboards from this
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  Speaker 2: is the electoral commission for the central government vote well
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  Speaker 2: Youth voting, I think the lowest at the moment registrations,
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  Speaker 2: the lowest they have been at this point in the
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  Speaker 2: cycle in a very long time, two-thirds of young people,
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  Speaker 2: 18 to 25, have enrolled to vote. At the last election,
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  Speaker 2: it was all said and done, almost 80%, so they
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  Speaker 2: are well off that. 25 minutes after five, Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look more at the pre-food next. Newstalk ZB, 27
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  Speaker 2: after five. How much cash are we all going to
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  Speaker 2: get back from tax cuts? That's the question this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Nicola Willis is soon going to make an announcement about
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  Speaker 2: their timing and potential value if, of course, they get
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  Speaker 2: back to the Treasury benches. The good news out of
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  Speaker 2: yesterday's pre-foo is that the books are out of structural
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  Speaker 2: deficit this year. That means when the government borrows new
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  Speaker 2: money going forward, it'll be for capital spending, not to
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  Speaker 2: keep the lights on. We've essentially been borrowing money by
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  Speaker 2: issuing bonds to pay for day-to-day spending. Fixing potholes with
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  Speaker 2: a credit card when the cost of borrowing is heading
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  Speaker 2: north is not a particularly smart way to run the books,
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  Speaker 2: is it? Now, the numbers, the result, is helped by
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the economy is growing. When the economy grows,
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  Speaker 2: our wages grow with it. Inflation then pushes our wages
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  Speaker 2: into a higher tax bracket. It's what they call bracket creep.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about it lots on the show. You end
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  Speaker 2: up paying more tax because the tax brackets don't change
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  Speaker 2: even when your wages do. So the government books are
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  Speaker 2: improving off the back of Kiwis paying more taxes. How
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  Speaker 2: much is that worth is the question. Well, the pre-foo
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  Speaker 2: reckons around a third of the extra revenue that the
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  Speaker 2: government coffers will get comes from bracket creep, comes from
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  Speaker 2: us paying more. Patrick Smalley at Business Desk estimates $ 15
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  Speaker 2: billion will be collected over five years from this. That
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  Speaker 2: creates about $ 3 billion a year in potential tax cut
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  Speaker 2: kitty created by wage inflation. So the question now is,
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  Speaker 2: when does this happen? And will Nicola Willis' coalition partners
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  Speaker 2: allow it to happen? Tax cuts. As the old saying goes,
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  Speaker 2: to the victor goes the spoils. Taxpayers are the real
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  Speaker 2: victors here, the real heroes. And more money in our
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  Speaker 2: pockets to offset higher prices will surely be a welcome thing.
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  Speaker 2: She's got an announcement happening today. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's it or not. I noticed yesterday on Heather's show,
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  Speaker 2: she was asked about this, and she said, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying yes, I'm not saying no. She did hint a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago at that Business NZ conference that
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  Speaker 2: she would make an announcement, some sort of an announcement,
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  Speaker 2: heavily caveated, but an announcement no less. So I think
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  Speaker 2: either today or probably by the end of the week, surely.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB, we're in the UK next.
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  Speaker 2: 24 away from six here on Newstalk ZB. Coming up,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk to David Seymour about the surplus and the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: pre-fue numbers. Yesterday, we'll go to Gavin Gray in the UK.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio making noises about how much the Americans knew
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: about these five guys who've now been released on bail
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: after a suspected terror plot outside of an Air Force base.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: all of that to come uh good morning ryan this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: is from hamish what an absolute waste of money this
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: is on the postal voting vote if you want by
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: post um hamish the problem is people were ripping off
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the system so you've got to do something about that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: don't you uh ryan this is crazy says sandy once
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: again it's weeks from voting and we new zealanders don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: know where to vote is it all online How would
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: folk know whether they can computer vote or not? Is
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: it a physical building or will it be a postal voting?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: How come different areas in New Zealand can choose how
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: their residents vote? Sandy, to be clear, the interview we
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: did with Richard Hills is all about local elections. So
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that's when you vote for your mayor and your councillors.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: That's separate to what's going on at the moment, which
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is for central government. Now, I had a look for you, Sandy,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: because I see that you're worried about where you can vote.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Go down to your local town hall. Go down to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: your local school hall anywhere on voting day and you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: can vote. The thing is, you have to be registered.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So you have to enroll to vote. And to do that,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you've got till the 25th of October. You've got a month, Sandy,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: to enroll. And you can enroll at vote.nz. If you
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: don't have a... I've gone and looked at all this
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: for you, Sandy. If you don't have the internet, you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: can email them. Well, if you haven't got the internet,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: you haven't got email, in there thankfully there is a
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: phone number and it's actually i was quite surprised to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: learn 24 7 phone number you can ring 0800 367
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: 656 and they will tell you how when where you
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: can enroll if you're not already 22 minutes away from.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Six Ryan Bridge.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Don't need to say I never give you a PSA.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Callum in Dunedin.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Morning, Callum.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Morning, Ryan.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: What's the update on this now third investigation into Lockie
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Jones's death?
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: The coroner's given interested parties until February to recommend whether
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: another inquest, a third inquest into the death of the
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: Gore toddler should continue. Three-year-old Lockie Jones was found in
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: a council oxidation pond near his home in 2019. And
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: two earlier investigations concluded he likely drowned. A third police
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: investigation was launched last year. Its findings have been given
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: to Coroner Alexander Ho back in August. He says interested
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: parties have been given restricted access to the reinvestigation file
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: before he decides whether to continue or conclude the coronial inquiry.
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: He's taken in, given account for Christmas and New Year's
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: as well.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: OK, how's the weather? Mostly fine around the south today.
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: Dunedin's fine light winds afternoon, easterlies and 16.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Nice one. Clare in Christchurch. Morning, Clare.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: Good morning.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You've got a crime spree there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's been a busy 24 hours for our police.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: We have five youths arrested after a spree across Christchurch
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: yesterday which included an assault on a dairy worker. Police
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: say they were alerted to some car thefts and then
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: reports of dangerous driving earlier yesterday morning. Then they were
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: notified of this dairy owner being assaulted in Dellington. The
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: group apparently fled in a vehicle when another customer walked
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: into the dairy. A helicopter was then used to track
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: them and some youths were arrested about 3pm. Area Commander
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: Superintendent Lane Todd says charges are still pending and police
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: are also working to identify others who might be involved.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: It came in amongst a very busy day. We had
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: a child seriously injured in a dog attack in Adenui
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: as well. A staffy cross has been seized by animal management,
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: which is investigating that. And finally, we did have a
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: little bit of kind of good news. A 40-year-old man
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: due in court on Friday finally arrested over the alleged
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: theft of several memorial plaques. including one that honoured some
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: students killed in the CTV building during the quake.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So the good news is he was arrested,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming.
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: Arrested, finally. Yeah, we've been looking for this guy for
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: some time. There's been multiple plaques stolen across Christchurch in
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: recent weeks.
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: Terrible.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: How's your weather?
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: Morning cloud about today. A few showers for Banks Peninsula.
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: North Easterlies developing and the high will be 14.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Clare. Tobias in Wellington. Hey, Tobias.
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: Hey, Ryan.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You've got an update on the Chateau Tongarello.
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we're heading up State Highway 1 a bit this
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: morning to the base of Mount Ruapehu. We understand iwi,
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: they actually prefer demolishing the chateau, while the Department of
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: Conservation is looking into a long-term lease. So new documents
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: obtained by Newstalk ZB show dock officials, well they did
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: actually tell the Conservation Minister that a commercial lease has
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: significant treaty risks to it. DOC has spent more than
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: $ 4. 5 million maintaining the famous heritage site since it shut
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: its doors in early 2023. So officials say treaty partners,
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: they want demolition. It's a first step in a new
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: vision for Tongariro National Park and do not want a
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: lease as it could constrain future settlements. While DOC, they
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: still believe that a lease will offer economic benefits, restore
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: visitors and minimise long-term costs. So we'll have to keep
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: an eye on what happens in this space.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: How's the weather?
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: Cloudy. Chance of a shower around midday. Northerlies this evening
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: and 15 the high in Wellington.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Cheers to best. Neva, good morning.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Good morning.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, David Seam was looking at an Epsom site for
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a co-ed public school.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: Now, look, since the 1880s, a 37-acre site in Epsom
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: was used to train teachers.
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: So.
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: Now Epsom MP and ACT leader David Seymour, he wants
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: the site, empty, since the last of the Auckland Uni
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: students left back in 2024, to be the new location
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: of an unzoned co-ed public school. And not just any school, Ryan, no.
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: One jointly operated by two of the country's top state facilities.
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: That's the neighbouring Auckland Grammar and Epsom Girls Grammar. Now
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: Seymour told the Herald that, you know, they would like
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: to co-sponsor a co-educational high school in the ethos of
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: those two excellent schools.
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: His words.
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: He says because the motivation of all of this is
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: that if this land becomes housing, then that will put
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: huge pressure on their rolls. But on the other hand,
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: if they can add a new high-quality school to Auckland,
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: then he reckons it's got to be a good thing
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: for everybody.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Sounds like it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: So there you have it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: How's the weather?
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: Partly cloudy. We've got isolated showers, though, clearing to fine
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: in the afternoon. 17 in the high here in Auckland.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Brilliant, Neva. Thank you very much. It is 17 away
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: from 6. By the way, we keep talking about triple
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: lock to do with the Brits and their pensions. Triple lock,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that's where your state pension increases in line with inflation
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: or wages, or if neither of those are lifting that much,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: then you get 2.5% a year, whichever is the highest.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: That's what Burnham wants to go after. He says it's unaffordable.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: We're in the UK next. Here's a thought for the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: weekend ahead. Go and stand inside a house that you
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: might actually be able to afford. How's Me Show Homes.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: There's eight of them around the country, Whangarei right down
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to Cromwell. You can scroll through transportable homes online all
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: day long, but you don't really know until you're standing
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: inside one, working out whether your couch actually fits. No appointment?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Simply turn up, come in, have a look, ask whatever
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you like. And have a think about what you'd use
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: this for. Your own place? A rental? Somewhere for mum
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and dad or the kids who show no signs of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: leaving anytime soon? Now here's the sweetener for you. Buy
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a House Me Home before the end of October and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they'll throw in a free whiteware bundle. Fridge, microwave, washing
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: machine and a dishwasher where it applies. Getting close to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: seven grand worth of free gear not to be scoffed at.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Howsme have been in it for a very long time,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: build and delivering around 40 homes per month. Prices on
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the website, all of them, howsme.co.nz. Affordable, transportable, reliable.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, our UK-Europe correspondent. Rubio's been talking about these
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: arrests and then bail. The guys who they thought did
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: some terror stuff, explosives work around an Air Force base. Gavin,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: what's Rubio been saying?
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: Well, it's such a confusing picture. We're getting one set
• 26:26
  Speaker 14: of things here from the UK authorities. As you said,
• 26:28
  Speaker 14: these five men, all in their 20s, all from London.
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: have been bailed. They were arrested outside the Air Force Base,
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: which is a forward operating location used by the U.S.
• 26:38
  Speaker 14: Air Force for decades and more recently launching attacks on
• 26:41
  Speaker 14: Iran from there. And then Donald Trump on telly saying
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: we were monitoring that they were looking to do big
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: damage to our base. Now Marco Rubio saying we're dealing
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: with elements in the world here in the case of
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: Iran who have openly threatened to attack American interests globally.
• 26:54
  Speaker 14: and he said that it's clear a foreign actor had
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: been involved in this incident. Now, he didn't provide any evidence,
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: and Tehran denies any involvement. Indeed, the embassy for Iran
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: here in London said it categorically rejects and strongly condemns
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: the recent unfounded and malicious speculations. So we've got one
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: side saying how serious it is, the Americans. We've got
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: the British who have bailed these five, saying they're not
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: ruled out from investigations, but the fact they bailed them
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: having had anti-terror police there and explosives officers is really,
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: really odd and at odds with each other.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very weird picture that's being painted at
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the moment and not helped by what's coming out of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the White House. What about the cut to the pensions
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that Burnham's talking about?
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah, big news there. So his first speech in charge
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: of his own Labour Party at their party conference today,
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: and he is effectively scrapping the triple lock for pensions. Now,
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: the triple lock guarantees that the state pension goes up
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: each year in line with inflation or average wage increases
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: or 2.5%, whichever is the highest. It was brought in
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: in 2010 by David Cameron, and it is the largest
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: benefit now. State benefits, state pension benefits are the largest
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: benefits paid in the UK, coming in at over 330
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: billion New Zealand dollars a year. But in their manifesto
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: in 2024, Labour said they are going to keep the
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: triple lock. Today, Andy Burnham said, well, we won't include
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: wage increases in that. It's more a double lock. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: that could severely and drastically reduce the value of pensions
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: given to everyone in the UK at different ages. On
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: an average day, though, this is being done to try
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: and free up money for care when people get elderly
• 28:39
  Speaker 14: or need home care or indeed nursing care. And on average,
• 28:43
  Speaker 14: 13,000 people are having delayed discharges in England. One in
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: 10 hospital beds blocked by someone who's medically fit enough
• 28:51
  Speaker 14: to be discharged. But there is nowhere in the care
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: system for them. And that's what he's freeing up this
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: money for. Though opponents say saving on the triple lock
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: won't be enough to pay for his plans for care.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Potentially literal suicide, I would have thought, too. Thanks so
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: much for that, Gavin Gray, our UK Europe correspondent. Treasury
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: now forecasting a $ 4 billion surplus in 28-29, up from 2.6.
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: The last thing the country needs right now is a
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: big increase in spending, just when the economy is coming
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: right and a surplus is within touching distance.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: David Seymour, the ACT Party leader, with us this morning. David,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: good morning.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Reliable.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: How reliable are these numbers? You know, we've done about
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a month ago, finalised a month ago. We've had a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: bump in oil prices. We've had bond markets since then.
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: Well, the document does acknowledge that they cut off their
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: forecasting about a month ago, as you say. And in
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: that time, oil prices have risen. Anyone who's been to
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: the petrol station knows that. So also, there's been quite
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: a drive on bond prices recently. And I think we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: going to be hearing a lot more about the bond
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: markets and politics in the years to come. New Zealand's
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: 10-year government bonds have been as high as 5% in
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: the last month. When Grant Robertson borrowed $ 100 billion, we
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: were paying something like $ 2.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: 5 billion.
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: So paying twice the interest rate, as anyone with a
• 30:19
  Speaker 16: mortgage knows, makes a big difference. The government has a
• 30:22
  Speaker 16: mortgage too. But I'd like to just zoom out a
• 30:27
  Speaker 16: little bit. You asked how reliable of a number. It's
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: not just because of what's happened in the last month.
• 30:33
  Speaker 16: But just remember that we were promised a surplus in
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: the current financial year of $ 2 billion. That was in
• 30:41
  Speaker 16: the same document before the 2023 election. We were promised
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: that debt would be $ 193 billion. Now it's $ 209 billion.
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: So what this document has told us is that the
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: surplus will be two years later than we were promised
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: last election, and debt will be $ 16 billion higher than
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: we were promised last election. And the current promises that
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: have just come out rely on a significant reduction in
• 31:13
  Speaker 16: government spending to get government spending under 30% of GDP
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: by the end of the decade. It's currently about 32.5%. So,
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: you know, all of this is still hopeful. And I
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: have to say, as the person in the government's been saying, guys,
• 31:33
  Speaker 16: we've got to save more money. We've got to save
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: money faster. All of the slippage is in some ways
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: of indication, but also very bad news because we're going
• 31:44
  Speaker 16: to have to work a lot harder to if we're
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: going to make the numbers real this time, as they
• 31:49
  Speaker 16: did not become real over the last three years.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Rather than just promises, David Seymour, ACT Party leader. It
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: is 8-6, Newstalk ZB.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: The first word on the news of the day. Early
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Edition with Ryan Bridge and Spark for Business. Technology that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So they had another rate hike out of Australia yesterday.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: They're at 4.6% now. That is the fourth hike this year.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And they are now the highest OCR in the developed
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: world outside of Iceland. And a lot of people are
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: not happy about that. As you can imagine, their house
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: prices are starting to take a hit. Not just from that,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: but also the budget. It was a unanimous call, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Chalmers not happy blaming the war. But actually, Michelle Bullock,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: who's the governor over there, says inflation is not just
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. It's also domestic.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: 5-2.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: Morning, Ryan. She's right, too. It's the great debate is
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: the government spent. And they're spending and creating inflation. There's
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: no question about that. But that's what you get when
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: you get left-leaning governments.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: What's more exciting? Let's play a game.
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: What's more exciting is the revelation from yesterday that they're
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: not going to name a number around their pay equity now,
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: despite the fact they would, said they would.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Is that a bigger deal?
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: Or is the Opportunities Party turning out to be a
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: complete and utter non-event, going to lead to them not
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: getting to 5%?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You say the non-event. Did you read that piece from
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Milne in the newsroom yesterday about the bottom trawling
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: bottom line? So the bottom trawling bottom line, 70% of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: our fishing is done by bottom trawling.
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: I heard you say that earlier on, but you've got
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: to remember that it's not literal fishing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's good night, nurse. It's goodbye fishing.
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: What people who thought the Opportunities Party were about was
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: something radical and different and wahoo and let's get amongst them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: They turned out to be nothing. I've always said they'll
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: never get to 5%. It's so hard to get to 5%. Exactly.
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: It's a flash in the pan. What they've done is
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: shot themselves in the foot. Any chance they had of
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: getting into Parliament is now gone. I just can't work
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: out whether they did that deliberately.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think they even had a chance.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: Well, did they do the radical stuff deliberately to get
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: your attention, to get to the five, the six, the
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: seven in the poll, to get them in the conversation?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's that much brain power there. You
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: don't think there's that much brain power there? It's that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: smart that's happening.
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: Anyway, Chris Hipkins is in the studio this morning. Yeah,
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: that's what I thought. I mean, three o'clock I came
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: in here and I thought, bloody hell, I might as
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: well go home. Anyway, Nicola Willis is in the studio
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: as well.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Good stuff. Mike Next, ZB.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live
• 34:27
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• 34:30
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