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Ep. 731: Lost Lures and Pheasant Couches | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: That's noon o'clock for our friends in Grand Murray, Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday, July tenth, and we're live for Meet Eater,
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  Speaker 2: HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by
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  Speaker 2: Callen Mark. On today's show, Callen Mark will fill us
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  Speaker 2: in on the latest outdoor legislation. Then we'll be joined
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  Speaker 2: by Bradley Pooler for one minute fishing in Tennessee. After
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  Speaker 2: that we'll play The Price Is Right, and finally we'll
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  Speaker 2: end the episode with some show and tell. Callen Mark
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  Speaker 2: back so fresh from a trip that I can still
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  Speaker 2: smell the Alaska on you two boys doing there.
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  Speaker 3: It's good smell. We were in the Arctic National Widlife Refuge.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, tell me more.
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  Speaker 1: Brooks Ranch. We kind of started on the waters that
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  Speaker 1: would be draining to the south of the Brooks Ranch.
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  Speaker 1: And this was super cool because it was like the
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  Speaker 1: start of the convergence of caribou, the porcupine herd caribou.
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  Speaker 1: And then this is a very spoiled kid trip. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot, We got picked up and dropped off
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  Speaker 1: three different times.
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  Speaker 3: And when we got there there there was no deliverable.
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  Speaker 3: We just had to go experience it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But we got picked up and flew on the
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  Speaker 1: same route that these caribou were migrating on. And it
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  Speaker 1: was awesome because you like, in the first valley, the
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  Speaker 1: first creek that we camped on, these caribou would dump
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  Speaker 1: off the top of this super high ridge skylined, so
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  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, there they are, and then five
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  Speaker 1: minutes later they'd be down the river valley and then
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  Speaker 1: they would turn north and they were just motoring like
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  Speaker 1: they weren't grazing along for the most part. They were
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  Speaker 1: just following these ancient Cariboo paths. And then we got
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  Speaker 1: picked up, followed those paths in the air through the
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  Speaker 1: Brooks Range and dropped off on the north facing slopes.
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  Speaker 1: And you could tell it was north facing because it
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  Speaker 1: was just the Arctic Ocean to the north of US.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and taking a step back for folks that aren't familiar,
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  Speaker 3: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is a nineteen point six
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  Speaker 3: million acre wildlife refuge, the largest wildlife refuge. I believe
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  Speaker 3: we have one of the very I think the second
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  Speaker 3: largest piece of public land in our system and quite
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  Speaker 3: possibly the most intact eCos second to what second to
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  Speaker 3: the Western Arctic also knows the National Petroleum Reserve Alaska,
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  Speaker 3: which is just to the west of it, and that's
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  Speaker 3: twenty three million acres I think. But this is I
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  Speaker 3: think arguably the most most intact ecosystem we have left
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  Speaker 3: in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: It is, which makes it probably one of the most
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  Speaker 1: intact ecosystems left in the.
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  Speaker 3: World, in the world stunning diverse area. Ause he mentioned
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  Speaker 3: where we started out on the south slope of the
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  Speaker 3: Brooks Range, which is the northern more excuse me, northernmost
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  Speaker 3: extension of the Rocky Mountains. Southern side of that is
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  Speaker 3: where we were, and the boreal forest kind of butts
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  Speaker 3: up into that, and then you go up into the
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  Speaker 3: Brooks Range, you go over to the other side and
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  Speaker 3: then becomes this tundra ecosystem, and as cal said, you
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  Speaker 3: enter this coastal plain which stretches to the Arctic Ocean.
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  Speaker 3: So we had epic mountain vistas and river bottoms, and
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  Speaker 3: then the second half of the trip we had this
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  Speaker 3: immense grassland like the whole time we were there, especially
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  Speaker 3: that second half of the trip. When you look over
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  Speaker 3: this millions of acres grassland that is undeveloped, untouched all
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  Speaker 3: the way to the Arctic Ocean, knowing that in a
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  Speaker 3: few weeks there would be maybe two hundred thousand caribou
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  Speaker 3: out there. It was a moment in which I thought
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  Speaker 3: to myself, this is a little bit like what Lewis
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  Speaker 3: and Clark experienced, you know, two hundred years ago or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was. I've always wondered that when you go
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  Speaker 3: across the grasslands today in North Dakota or eastern Montana,
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  Speaker 3: I always thought, what was this like? It would have
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  Speaker 3: been so amazing to see this vast, undeveloped grassland and
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  Speaker 3: all these creatures. And we got to sit on a
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  Speaker 3: mountain and look over a grassland like that, a tundra
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  Speaker 3: ecosystem like that now and see four We thought we
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  Speaker 3: could probably see sixty to one hundred miles in several
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  Speaker 3: directions with nothing easy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to add some perspective, thirty thousand square miles. That's
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  Speaker 2: the size of South Carolina that you guys are talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is way cooler because there's very few people.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a reason this is more relevant now than
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the past, what were you guys doing.
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  Speaker 3: There, Well, we were there to be able to experience
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  Speaker 3: it and be able to bring back what we saw
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  Speaker 3: and and experience and share that with the world because
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  Speaker 3: this is a place that has been hotly debated for
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  Speaker 3: a long time. It was first created in nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 3: as about a nine million acre refuge. In nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 3: it was expanded to the current nearly twenty million acres,
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  Speaker 3: and at that time, because of all the political horse
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  Speaker 3: trading that goes on, there was a one point five
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  Speaker 3: million acre section of the reserve, the refuge that was
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  Speaker 3: not protected as wilderness and instead designated for future study
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  Speaker 3: to either be designated as wilderness or to be opened
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  Speaker 3: up to development. That one point five million acres is
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  Speaker 3: this coastal plane area that me and kel were just
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  Speaker 3: talking about. That is where these caribou going calve. This
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  Speaker 3: is where migratory birds from all fifty states go. This
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  Speaker 3: is where the largest land based polar bear denning sites,
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  Speaker 3: the most polar bear denning sites are in Alaska. Y's
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  Speaker 3: here as well. That's this place that ever since nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty has been very hotly debated about opening up to
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  Speaker 3: oil and gas development and.
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  Speaker 2: A place any American could go hunt, fish.
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  Speaker 3: Caribou hunt, yeah, hole nine yards all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the reason that it's so pristine, right is
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  Speaker 1: because it's remote. It's a it's tough to get to.
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  Speaker 1: It's expensive to get to. But that's the only limitation
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  Speaker 1: that that people would have, is like it is just
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  Speaker 1: time and expense to get up there. So we we were.
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  Speaker 1: I left Missoula, Montana, at like seven thirty at night,
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  Speaker 1: and I was standing on the ground in the refuge
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  Speaker 1: at our first camp at like one thirty in the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon the following day. So it's not that hard to
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  Speaker 1: get to.
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  Speaker 3: It's not impossible to get to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's you know, it kind of
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  Speaker 1: gets referred to as like the Serengetti because it has
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  Speaker 1: this giant convergence of biomass. Three hundred and fifty different
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  Speaker 1: species of migratory birds show up there, which makes it
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  Speaker 1: like this birding hot spot. And oddly enough, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: a huge part of the the eco tourism business up
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  Speaker 1: there is because if if people want to check off
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  Speaker 1: certain species that they're they're cataloging and their burning apps
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot, like they kind of have to go there
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  Speaker 1: at some point, so that's a huge draw. But then
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  Speaker 1: that porcupine caribou heard their migration. If you take like
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  Speaker 1: the furthest extent, right, it's what is it twenty five
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  Speaker 1: hundred miles one way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty Well I think it's a total of twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred miles that they okay throughout.
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  Speaker 1: The Yeah, yeah, so yeah, between like twelve and fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred miles one way. And you know, we're talking like
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of animals, which is pretty wild. And
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  Speaker 1: so what we got to see was like this early
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  Speaker 1: convergence of like pairs up to I think the biggest
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  Speaker 1: group we saw was like nineteen animals kind of converge
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  Speaker 1: in our little valley and head off north. And then
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  Speaker 1: when we were flying over the Arctic plane was really
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  Speaker 1: interesting is there were like solo animals or pairs just
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  Speaker 1: laying out there in the Muskeg, you know, within pretty
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  Speaker 1: tight proximity to the ocean and trying to imagine and
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  Speaker 1: we just got a photo sent to us, but trying
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  Speaker 1: to imagine that place filling up, which is how they
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  Speaker 1: describe it. That's like happening right now. And our pilot
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  Speaker 1: with Coyote air. He was talking about like flying over
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  Speaker 1: this thing and seeing thousands of caribou out in the
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  Speaker 1: Arctic Ocean that have actually like waded out just to
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  Speaker 1: get away from the bugs, like cool down in the
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  Speaker 1: summer heat and let the Arctic breeze blow the black
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  Speaker 1: flies and the Skeeter's away, which would be pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think, in short, it was the wildest,
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  Speaker 3: most spectacular place I've ever seen. Me and kel were
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  Speaker 3: talking about where there is there anywhere else we've seen
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  Speaker 3: that can really compare compare to this as far as
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  Speaker 3: the scale and the remoteness and the wildness and the
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  Speaker 3: intact nature of it. And We've been in some pretty
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  Speaker 3: cool places, but nothing that I've seen and experience can
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  Speaker 3: can touch that.
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  Speaker 1: And pretty much anybody that you talk to that has
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  Speaker 1: spent time in the Brooks Range have they're highly impacted
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  Speaker 1: by it. Like I mean, it's just it's for me,
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  Speaker 1: it was like fairly emotional because it was just so
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  Speaker 1: I've never been up there ever, and every turn of
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  Speaker 1: a valley just gets bigger and bigger, often ending in
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  Speaker 1: these permanent ice fields or glaciers, and it's pretty dang
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  Speaker 1: hiker friendly. Like there's fresh water everywhere, really good water,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh my god, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have enough time to check this place out. And every
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  Speaker 1: part of my brain is like, you got to you
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  Speaker 1: gotta spend time here and check it out. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just like almost pointless, right because it's so big. But
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  Speaker 1: the reason for that, you know, folks want to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about this right now and talking about preserving it
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  Speaker 1: is because in the trip will be the big, big,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful bill. There's mandatory leases, lease sales that would occur
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  Speaker 1: in both the Western Arctic and that National Petroleum Reserve
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  Speaker 1: Alaska and PRA and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in
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  Speaker 1: this ten O two area.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so to date, you know, it's been debated,
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  Speaker 3: never was opened up to drilling ever before. So for
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  Speaker 3: decades and decades and decades has been in the undeveloped states.
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  Speaker 3: And now in twenty seventeen, a similar reconciliation bill passed
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  Speaker 3: in which they tacked on a mandatory opening of the
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  Speaker 3: what's called the ten O two that happened in twenty
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  Speaker 3: seventeen on the last kind of big debate like this,
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  Speaker 3: there were mandated lease sales that happened those got sold
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  Speaker 3: and then some got canceled during the Biden administration, so
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  Speaker 3: no development's happened yet. But now the new bill just
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  Speaker 3: passed does force four lease sales of four hundred thousand
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  Speaker 3: acres each on the plane, and so, you know, Cal
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  Speaker 3: talked about getting emotional kind of flying over and seeing
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  Speaker 3: this place, and the scale For me, the moment was
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  Speaker 3: when I first saw the coastal plane. I hiked up
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  Speaker 3: all by myself as a kind of we got to
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  Speaker 3: do whatever we wanted. So one day I took off solo,
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  Speaker 3: took off to this small hill that was on the
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  Speaker 3: edge of the plane. I walked up there myself and
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  Speaker 3: got to the peak and looked out over this grasslands
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  Speaker 3: we talked about, so could see all the way to
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  Speaker 3: the Arctic Ocean, and for the first time in my life,
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  Speaker 3: I looked over this incredible wild place that was as
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  Speaker 3: wild and remote and as untouched as anything I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had to look at it knowing that
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  Speaker 3: if my kids ever got back here, it's very likely
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  Speaker 3: that it would not be the same, because in a
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  Speaker 3: matter of years, if all this goes through the way
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  Speaker 3: that the bill as it will, it could be dramatically different.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the first time I've ever been so starkly
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  Speaker 3: faced with a definitive change to a place like that,
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  Speaker 3: that you know, like this could totally change the experience,
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  Speaker 3: the ecosystem everything. Yeah, that was startling.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of an interesting thing, right because these are
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  Speaker 1: just leases, it's not mandated development. The previous leases that
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  Speaker 1: were sold were actually eventually turned back in because those
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  Speaker 1: companies couldn't really figure out how to do anything out
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  Speaker 1: there economically. There's also, through the exploration that's already been
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  Speaker 1: done there, there's a huge disagreement on what's actually under
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  Speaker 1: the ground there, like how much oil and gas up
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  Speaker 1: there that that would be beneficial worthwhile to get right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a situation where the companies that build the infrastructure,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to make money hand over fist, but the
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  Speaker 1: benefit to our natural resources pool. The idea that like
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  Speaker 1: your pump price is going to go down dramatically is
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  Speaker 1: like it's just not correct, right, Like, the reason that
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  Speaker 1: this stuff's been done in the past is because it
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  Speaker 1: was government subsidized. And without a big government subsidy to
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  Speaker 1: go up there and get this done, it's likely not
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  Speaker 1: going to happen because it's so cost prohibitive to operate
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  Speaker 1: up there. But there's all sorts of other conversations that
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  Speaker 1: are going on, and it's like, could you incentivize other
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  Speaker 1: countries to go up there and develop this by reducing
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  Speaker 1: their tariffs? Which is a conversation that we're hearing. And
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  Speaker 1: then the conversation comes back to like, Okay, so is
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  Speaker 1: it worth it for the American people to incentivize a
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  Speaker 1: foreign extractive industry on American soil in this extremely sensitive
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  Speaker 1: area that's one of the last readouts refuges for all
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  Speaker 1: these different species for what like what is the game?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So there could be like this short term bump in
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  Speaker 1: gross domestic product because there's a lot more dollars flying
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  Speaker 1: around in that area, but at the same time, a
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  Speaker 1: huge amount of those dollars are going to be directly
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  Speaker 1: exported overseas and not stay in America.
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  Speaker 2: And how specific or vague is the language in the
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  Speaker 2: One Big Beautiful Bill that addresses leases on minerals in
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  Speaker 2: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as I understand it, the specificity ends at
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  Speaker 3: there's four mandatory lease sales within ten years. There are
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  Speaker 3: four hundred thousand acres each, and you know as far
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  Speaker 3: as details, that's as far as I've seen spelled out
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  Speaker 3: how exactly that happens. I know that there was some
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  Speaker 3: language early in the drafts that would either remove or
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  Speaker 3: expediate and a kind of review or legislation review opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: And had that got pulled out, I think, yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: cut the red tape. They were going to cut that.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's back in a little bit. But are there
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  Speaker 3: any other details on that front? As you think? There's
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  Speaker 3: one other thing on the Western Arctic side, it's five
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  Speaker 3: mandated least sales within ten years and those are four
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  Speaker 3: million acres each.
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  Speaker 1: And those Western Arctic sales are a lot closer to
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  Speaker 1: existing infrastructure, So like the whole prude O Bay Dalton Highway,
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  Speaker 1: that is a much more logistically doable jumping off point
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  Speaker 1: for those lisaes. And then of course, like our Western
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  Speaker 1: Arctic caribou herd is basically in the dumps as far
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  Speaker 1: as overall population goes. I mean, it's been halved and
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  Speaker 1: havelved again. And then you know that also is a
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  Speaker 1: huge waterfowl production area.
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  Speaker 2: So the bill signed into law on the fourth of July.
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  Speaker 2: What else should be an outdoorsman's radar about the bill.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean there's a lot of dumpster fires
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 2: Pick a few to tell us about.
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  Speaker 1: I think for our our sporting community folks, what got
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  Speaker 1: pulled out.
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  Speaker 3: Boundary waters got pulled out, but it's still worth talking
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  Speaker 3: about because it public lands got pulled out. But Arctic
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  Speaker 3: Refuge may stayed in Western Arctics, stayed in some of
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  Speaker 3: the like the possible funding stuff with l w c
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  Speaker 3: F I think is buried in there a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know that as well as maybe you do.
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  Speaker 3: The two big ones. I want to talk about our
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  Speaker 3: things that got pulled out but are still.
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  Speaker 1: Finding different avenue right so through agency versus legislation.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll jump in on one of those things. So
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  Speaker 3: early on, when we everyone was talking about what was
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  Speaker 3: in this bill and fighting the public land sales and
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  Speaker 3: all these different things, there was the issue of the
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  Speaker 3: Bounder Waters being reopened to Mining's been decades long battle,
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  Speaker 3: more than ten years now, in which there was a
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  Speaker 3: foreign owned mine that was proposed to be right in
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  Speaker 3: the edge of the Bounder Waters. Back and forth. The
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: hunting and fishing and outdoor community has pushed back against
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  Speaker 3: it strongly over recent years and a couple of years
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  Speaker 3: ago kind of won a battle on that front with
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  Speaker 3: a mineral withdrawal, a twenty year mineral withdrawal, which basically
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  Speaker 3: meant that you you know, on the edges of the
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  Speaker 3: bounder of waters Wilderness Canoe area, you could not have
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  Speaker 3: a mine like this. That would be you know, seriously
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  Speaker 3: threatening that water based ecosystem with pollution, which was the
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  Speaker 3: big worry with these mines there on the edge. So
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  Speaker 3: there was a twenty year pause basically put in place
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  Speaker 3: in one of the original drafts of the One Big
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful Bill. It was going to remove that mineral withdrawal,
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  Speaker 3: which was allow the minds to move forward and mandate
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  Speaker 3: kind of fast tracking of those permits and get that
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  Speaker 3: going again. It got pulled out of the bill. But
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  Speaker 3: then so it got pulled out the bill. I saw
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  Speaker 3: that news, A lot of people saw that news. Everyone celebrate.
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  Speaker 3: The very next day, the Secretary of Agriculture mentioned on
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  Speaker 3: Twitter x I guess these days that they would be
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  Speaker 3: taking administrative action to roll back that mineral withdrawal themselves.
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  Speaker 3: So that is not outside of that social media post
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  Speaker 3: about it. It hasn't come up yet in the actual
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  Speaker 3: public register, but it looks like that's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty big deal for hunters and
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  Speaker 3: anglers and the other thing.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just the one Chilean mine that has
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  Speaker 1: the proposal for the open pit copper sulfide mind which
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  Speaker 1: for you Montana kids or visitors to Montana, but America
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  Speaker 1: is a good example of that. There's a lot, there's
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  Speaker 1: a their active mind sights within the same area. But
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  Speaker 1: this Chilean one, you know, the company doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: great track record of being environmentally friendly or good on
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  Speaker 1: doing their own cleanups, and that type of extraction is
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  Speaker 1: just known more for its mistakes than for going well well.
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  Speaker 3: As I understand it, there's not been a single mine
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  Speaker 3: of this type that has been developed without significant pollution issues.
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  Speaker 1: Which makes sense. Like you're especially in this area, it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like highly porous. There's water everywhere. You know, you basically
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: kick the ground and you can find water. So the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: idea of bringing up all this heavy metal and the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: other pollutants used to refine those heavy metals on site
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and get them out of there. It it's it's way
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: harder to stretch your brain to see how they can
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: do it safely than the other way around. Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I spent a little bit of time there a few
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: weeks ago on my way to Aisle Royale. That was
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: my first time in the Boundary Waters for that part
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of the country, and it was so cool and so
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: special that I was I was sad that it took
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: me until US thirty three to go explore it. That's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: how cool. The Boundary Waters are so place worth protecting.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the opposite of the Arctic National Wildlife
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Refuge from an access perspective. Sure, it's the most accessible,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: vast wilderness like that for many people, it's the most
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: most visited. It's the most visited wilderness area in the
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: United States.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And despite it being the most visited, you'll still have
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: any experience you want. You feel like you're the only
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: one there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's remote, it's vast, it's gorgeous. I had
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: an incredible canoe and deer hunt there a handful of
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: years ago. I mean, it's loaded with grouse, tons of
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: fishing opportunities. The deer hunt's tough, but you're not going
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: to have a more scenic and enjoyable experience in that
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: So it's a sportsman's paradise. Yeah, it shit aim to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: see that, you know, defouled in some way.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: The other thing you want to talk about mark was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the Roadless Rule.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's just something to get on people's radar.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Speaking of kind of rule rollbacks, it was announced to
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: two weeks ago or something like that that the Forest
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Service will be rolling back something called the Roadless Rule,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: which was something put in place like twenty four years ago,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I believe two thousand and one, I guess, so, yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: about twenty one years ago or twenty four years ago.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: The Roadless Rule protects fifty eight point five million acres
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: of our national forest from future road building. So back
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: in the late nineties it became a we've came aware that,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, there's more roads in the National Forest
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Service than anywhere else. There's twice there's twice as many
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: miles of roads in the US Forest Service lands than
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: there are across the rest of the nation. Is the number.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I read recently something like four hundred thousand miles or
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: something like that. Lots of road And they realized, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: read another quote was that we had cut the face
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: off our national forest and had punched roads into every
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: last dunking cranny except for these last kind of refuges,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and Elder Leopold and Bob Marshall and folks like this
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: in the thirties and forties, even back then we're saying, hey,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: we got to be careful, we're not leaving many of
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: these places left. And so, of course there was the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: wilderness designation that happened, and that was amazing. But then
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: in the nineties we realized, okay, we've got a last
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: few sections here that we could keep in a not
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: quite wilderness state, but at least not punched in with roads.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: We're going to protect those with this roadless rule. There's
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: still some like fire management that happens in those places.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: There's still some development that can happen in these places,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but with this layer of roadless protection, which now I
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: think you know you know this better than me, ka
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Il living out here. But I think most of the
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: best elk hunting spots, mule deer hunting spots, places that
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: you know, people want to get away from people, hunters
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: want to find a backcountry place. It's often these roadless
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: area protected parts of national forests that now, if this
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: moves forward, would be opened a new road, building and
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: many other things.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And This one's kind of more so spoken in terms
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of timber harvest and what like wildfire management is the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: stated need to roll back the roadless rule, which is
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: really interesting because on its face, if you rolled that back,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: all these areas would default to their previous management plan,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and the vast majority of these roadless areas their previous
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: management plan didn't include timber harvest. So there would have
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to be a new management plan brought up. And if
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you're like really kicking ass, you can probably do that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Let's say the fastest I don't even believe eighteen months,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but let's just say it. That's a whole eighteen months
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to two years of writing up that forestry management plan
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and then and then putting that into effect. The scariest
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: part to me is this includes the mineral right. So
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it's not just access to timber, which is what gets
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: talked about all the time, but there it's access to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: those mineral deposits that exist in these areas too. Some
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of the things that we talk about as restrictions to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: logging right is when we started the setback regulations, right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: so you can't cut timber this close to a stream,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it's got to be set back x amount.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You can't harvest your Christmas tree within like I don't know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: what is it, sixty six feet of a stream or
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: something like that in Montana.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So that's a setback, that's right there. Yeah, Yeah, good regulation.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So and then and there's a lot of these areas
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that have some previous old roads and have already already
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: been harvested for timber as well. I think there's some
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: some give and take with this one. But the reality is, like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: we have so few of these areas left that don't
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: have this previous development in them. It would be real,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: real sad to see them go that way.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's what a lot of this,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: this whole conversation comes down to, is like, we absolutely
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: need resources. We need to utilize natural resources. Our public
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: lands are multiple use public lands are tremendous places for
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: that to happen when it's done carefully and appropriately. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: at the same time, there are hundreds of millions of
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: acres of our public land open to resource extraction and done.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: So the last handful of places that we have that aren't,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: the few places that are still either roadless or in
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: a intact place, are just as rare and precious of
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: a resources, gold, oil, or any kind of resource out there.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: And I think that there's a whole lot of momentum
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: across the entire world of civilization pushing us to develop, develop, develop,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: develop that's going to happen. There's only a handful of
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: communities of people who care about maybe preserving some of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: these last few spots. So those of us who do
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: care about wildlife or wild places, it's kind of incumbent
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: on us to try to tap the brakes on some
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: of this stuff where we still have that chance, because
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: we're not ever going to get it back.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean roads, just like a trail, does
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: roads bring people? I mean that's you know, a lot
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of the timber harvest that was done in the seventies
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: was heavily government subsidized sixties and seventies because it was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the government that was paying for the roads. And the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: idea right was like, oh, yeah, it's going to be
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a better recreation corridors for people to get into these areas,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: which which is absolutely true true, but that's what made
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that timber marketable at that time. So I'm still real
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: confused as to how some of these things are going
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to actually work with you know, like Doze was all
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: everybody could talk about only a few short weeks ago, right,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and that's about like rolling back the amount of government expense.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: At the same time, a lot of these big projects
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: only happened because the government was paying for them to happen,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: at least in some.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Part or portion.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: The funny thing speaking of that, all this talk about
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: how we need to increase revenues from our public lands
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: because of the budget issues and deficit issues and all that,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: while folks are making that claim to justify opening these
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: places up to development. Also in that bill they have
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: reduced the royalties on oiled really on extraction. So the
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: folks who are going to take these resources off our
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: public lands are paying the taxpayers in the nation less
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: for that resource. That's not helping the whole budget causes.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It Sure, all things worth considering. If you're listening to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the show, those are your public lands on they're precious.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever brings up revising the mining Act.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Man, there's an easy win.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever brings up.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: All right, we got a few plugs to do before
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: we get on with the rest of the show. Marcus,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: there's a collab among some of our partners that I
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: know you specifically are very excited about. Tell us about that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you've already had a list of me jaw
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: for a while. But I'll keep this one quick. Our
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: pals at Moultrie and on Ex are working together now,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: which is pretty fun. Very simply put, you can now
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: connect your Moultrie Trail cameras to your Onyx Hunt app,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: so they work together so that when you go into
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: your Moultary app and you log in with your Onx account,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: when I head out there and I go set up
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: a new moultr camera like I did a month or
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: so ago before I took off for Idaho, it will
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: automatically drop a pin on my map showing where my
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: camera is, which is pretty nice, so I can always
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: see it, and then I can actually click on that
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: pin and see the photos pulled in from my multi
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: cameras in the same place. Very convenient, So very convenient.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Some really cool different ways you can use that, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you can dive into the details a little bit more.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: But if you use Moultree cameras and if you use
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the Onyx Hunt app, this is a great way to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: get the best of both worlds in one place and
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: keep your trail camera data and your hunt plan data
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit more easily accessible on top of mind.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And it's just getting harder and harder to lose a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: trail camera. The amount of trail cameras I come across
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: in the woods that have clearly been there for a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: decade and not visited, you know, for about that same
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: amount of time. It happens too often.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: If only there was an app that would show me
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: where I lost the cheese to the lock that attached
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: my camera to the tree. Yeah, I need that one.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Whitetail guy problems, you know.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one more plug. The new hats they are in
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the store July twelfth, two days from now. Marcus has
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: one right now, wired to hard words. I've got a
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: bison hat. I'm pretty thrilled about these, and they're gonna
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: be available stored at them meadeater dot com in two days.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: All right, We have now served our audience a big
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: heaping plate of vegetables. When I think about content, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: think about the content is vegetables, meat or candy. We've
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: just given you a big old helping of vegetables, which
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: is good. You need to eat your vegetables the rest
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of the show. Though, we got meat and candy coming
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: at you. You guys, go to that, Okay. Our next
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: segment is one Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: We'll do you punk, Go ahead make my cast.
• 30:44
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• 30:47
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• 30:50
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• 30:55
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• 30:57
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• 31:01
  Speaker 2: This week, our wrangler is Bradley Pooler aka find in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Fish on Instagram. He's on a creek in northern Tennessee
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and fishing for a donation to the Cumberland River Compact. Bradley,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: How hey, folks, I'm so stoked to be here. Thanks
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: for having me, guys.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. Bradley, you run one of my
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: favorite accounts on Instagram. You make some of the most
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: unique fishing content on the internet. Tell folks what find
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in Fish is, man.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: That's that's super kind of you. Thank you. It's a
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: pretty simple concept. Basically, when you're out fishing, and you
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: see a snag lure, then you just try to retrieve
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: it and then fish it like right there where you
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: found it on that body of water. It's just like
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: a super fun way. It's a like try different different
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: lures and challenge yourself, you know, in ways that you
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: wouldn't normally.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, how did this lure recycling endeavor of your start?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Well? Man, I grew up fishing as a little kid,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: but kind of phased out of it when I was older,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: and I picked it back up in twenty twenty when
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the pandemic started, as you know, so many people did then.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: And so while I was out, you know, visiting all
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: these new places trying to relearn how to fish, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: just couldn't help. But notice like every single place had
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: a lowre hanging out of a tree or that somebody
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: had like dropped on the bank or something. And it
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: just became like this big scavenger hunt treasure.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, how many how many lures do you think you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: found it?
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I got crazier and crazier started with just my oh
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: probably I think like three hundred and sixty over the
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: three to four years that I have been doing it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: And that's like before the posting, you know, or after
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: the posting. Sorry. So I've found a lot in those
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: first years.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And what's the biggest snag of lures you've come across, man?
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: I I think probably it was in North Alabama visiting
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: my in laws. We found like big old rats nest
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: a line up in a tree. Pulled the pole out,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: tried to pull on it, and you could just see
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: all the trees. I don't remember how many lures I
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: got out of that, but it was like it was
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: a sizeable wad of line that we pulled out of
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: the tree.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And what's the most common lures you find in the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: most commonplaces you find them?
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: It really varies. There's a lot. I found a good
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: spread of lures, but a lot of rooster tails and like,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: you know, inline spinners, especially like where they're trout, you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: stocking trout, and uh, you know jigs, like any kind
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: of jigs, curly tails, Bobby Garlands, that sort of thing.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: And then I've kind of found a little slew of
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: wopper ploppers lately, which is just kind of a weird fluke,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: but I'm not mad about it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Are there any lures that get you really excited when
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you come across them.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the wopper ploppers. Honestly, I just I get giddy
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: every time I find it. They're like nine plus dollars,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: you know, and they're super fun to fish, super fast,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: and the hits are amazing. Of course.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Okay on the water today, have you found any lures
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: yet this afternoon?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: No, No, I haven't.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: This is one of my favorite spots to fish, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: I've picked it pretty clean. Lures don't last very long here.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Good. That's good for today's one minute fishing. Tell us
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: about where you're at, what you're fishing for, and how
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you're doing it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm going to creak that feeds the Cumberland
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: And basically this is a pretty wide spot right here,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: super shallow in the center, but it's deeper on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: side here with a little bit of shade cover. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: then I've got a little bit deeper spot over here
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: with some weed cover. So hoping that I can just
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: kind of, you know, cover around as fast as I can,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I kind of changed up my tactic a little bit.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: I was gonna use a little Bobby Garland jig that
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I found here a couple of weeks ago, but when
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: I tied myself. It was just too slow. I couldn't
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: get it up retries. So I've switched over to just
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: a little black, little black rooster tail and hopefully that's
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: going to give me maximum casts, you know, around here
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: and cover as much water as I can.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, is that a rooster tail that you found?
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: It is not here. I don't think it came out
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: of a big box of tangled doors that I've pulled
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: off of tree. But yeah, I did find this one,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: and I've got to back up one over here on
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: different rod if I need it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So all right, Bradley, you're one minute of fishing starts
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: when you make that first castle.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Let's do it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: All right. Bradley's lines in the water had a very
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: audible cast. That's that's kind of him for our podcast
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: audience to make that so loud. He's already on a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: second cast ten seconds in.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I like the retrieve. Is it gonna switch it up?
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if he's gonna stick with a consistent retrieve
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: on every one of the cast or do something different.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I think if he's gonna switch it up, he's just
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: going to cast to the other side of the canoe. Oh,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: there's little twitch.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Thirty seconds left.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: What was it, Bradley?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Let him focus, Let him focus, Get another one?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: He looks panics now fifteen seconds left. Oh wow, see
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: if he can recover? Can he do it ten seconds ago?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Brad Wow?
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Alright, final cast twitch and twitch twitch. Oh did not
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: happen today? That is your one minute? Tell us what
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: happened there on that fish?
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Oh? Brother, he got uh. He swung over the boat
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: and then as he swung back, he just flapped his
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: tail and he was gone.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It was a small bot of the water.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: It was not It was a like kind of small
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: blue gill.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Like I was thinking, maybe that's pretty cool.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Sorry, guys, that that was exciting. Almost happened.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: We'll have you back on the show, Bradley to do.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I would love to. When you started this segment, man,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: I was like that that is a segment I would
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: love to do someday. So thanks so much for having
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: you guys.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Oh you did great.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Thanks for making great content. Thanks
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: for cleaning up after your fellow anglers.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: The tag is fine dot and dot phish on Instagram.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Ah there you go, Gotts check it out.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Watt, Thanks you guys. We'll see you later.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: All right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I have to say, chat's doing great today. Sometimes we're
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: a little light up questions, but we've got a got
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: a surplus right now. Let's see here. Christopher asked Cal
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: what is some good advice for getting ahead of hunting
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: bands Washington is now going after regulating coyote hunting with
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: no science. He corrected himself in a different comment.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question, you know. I think the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: boiler played answer is your means to being proactive is
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: securing the right to hunt and fish in your state. However,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's always consistent education. I feel like things are
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: changing now and the state of Washington, if you're a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: hunter or an angler, even in that state, you need
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to be engaged because nothing is a given. So being
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: in the room and being consistent is always the best
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: way to stay ahead of this stuff, which means you
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: don't get activated only when times are bad and the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: fire is on your doorstep. You got to make make
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: sure that you're aware and you can do that by
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, being signed on with a bunch of different
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: conservation groups in their newsletters so you're aware of what's happening,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and then figuring out how to make the time to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: show up for the comment periods in person, writing, et cetera.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a job.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Nathan asks, does Mark have a white tailed deer season update?
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: What is he doing to prepare for the season this
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: time of year?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the update would be, Uh, I'm on my
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: homestead of Michigan. Of course, it's going to be a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: different year there, because for most of the last decade
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: plus more than that now, I've usually had a deer
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: or two every year coming into the new season that
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I've known from previous years. So I'm like, I'm going
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: after this year that year, I'm excited to see this dear.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Every dear I was interested in last year disappeared.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think happened?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Using the wrong bait.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: No bait, no bait kill? So maybe that is the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: wrong bait no bait, but it is legal where I live,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: so it is the right choice. I don't know, you
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: know more, I have a thousand theories to want to
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: show up though it's not too late for for certain
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: something will show up. But the question is will a
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: deer that I have in a history with show up
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: again after being gone for you know, twelve months. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: don't know. So all that's to be is that I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: actually kind of excited about it because it's gonna be
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: a little bit different. It's gonna be fresh slate, gonna
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: be a bunch of mystery and going back to just
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: having fun out there, not worrying about what dear him
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: after just sitting out there in the woods, and maybe
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: spend some more time, get the boys out there with
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: me more and enjoy it in different ways.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Give me some names though, of the deer who you
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: hope might show up.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, if they were to show back up from
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: last year. Oh geez, there was a deer. We call
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: it my son. My kids named the deer that I
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: that we see now. So my son named this one Bulldozer.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: And we found his match set last spring at the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: time he was four found one of these antlers. So like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: very cool that my four year old found this antler
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and he's super excited to see this deer. And we
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: were really hopeful he'd be around last year, and he
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was around a couple of times, but disappeared in early November.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: So if he showed back up, he'd be probably a
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: six and a half year old buck, which would be
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a very very old buck for our heir, So that'd
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: be really cool.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be any peak or like just starting to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: get beyond it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one of those deer that isn't gonna, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: raise a whole bunch of eyebrows when it comes to antlers.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: But he was a massive bodied deer, like very cool,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: blind in one eye. I thought that was very very cool.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I'd seen him since he was a three year old,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: so I watched him as a three, four and five years.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Was he blind as a three year old?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: It was his I think it was late in his
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: third year. It was like December when I noticed like, oh,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: something happened to that buck. And then the whole fourth
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: year and then fifth year you could see that very
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: obviously injured eye. So he would be the one to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: be really excited to see. I do know that that's.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Hard because if you know he's coming in on one side,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it'd be better to have your tree stand on the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: left hand side, the dead eye side. But He's only
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: going to turn to the right.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The biggest I do that I ever hunted one that
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I like, got to like form a relationship with where
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I knew he existed for a number of years. He
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: was blind to one eye, and it didn't give me
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the advantage I needed to kill him. So it's not
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a death sentence, No, no, it's not.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, so I'd love for him to show
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: back up. And then I also drew in Iowa tag
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: this year, so I'm very excited to go to Iowa.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: It's been a handful of years to.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: South North.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Iowa.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Iowa. That's a good way to put it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: What else we got, Phil, We have a Janis asking
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: is Mark Kenyan ready to pace Janis in two weeks
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: at the Crazy Mountain one hundred?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, Janis Janus.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: That's very exciting though, guys, I am gonna be pacing
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Jannis for the final stretch of his hundred mile runs.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: So my segment's just like eight, I think. But I'll
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: be with him for the final eight, the last eight
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: miles of his hundred mile race. I will be there
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: to drag his dead body across the finish line, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: very honored honored to be able to be a part
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: of that with him.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: That's probably the most important position in one hundred mile er.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I would imagine he told me that he thought I'd
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: be a good pacer because I'm the kind of guy
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: who would research how to be a good pacer.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: That sounds on brand.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Give us a few more Phil Yeah, sure, Kyle says
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: caw will be proud that his call for public action
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: prompted me to contact both my senators on this subject.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: On that topic, how many calls or signatures signatures would
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: it take for him to host a round of trivia?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think Spencer would ever trust me with that,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: so that's more of a Spencer question.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Kyle asking to host trivia, Oh.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: No, no, I think he wants.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Cal has an open invite. Cal if you ever want
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to host trivia, you come and host trivia.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That genuinely surprises me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Spencer, Oh no, I'd happen happy to have other folks
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: in this chair. Same goes for Mark. I think Mark
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: would actually take me up on that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, it happened, Kyle, though, thank you very much for
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: for calling your elected officials. The reality is, is anybody
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: in this room can scream at the top of our
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: lungs as loud as we can and as long as
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: we can, and unless other people join in, we're just
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: not going to be effective. Like it is the definition
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of a team effort, and we can't do it without you.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: So thank you.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: So silver lining of the whole public land sale issue
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: that we've experienced over the last couple of months is
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: that I think a whole lot of people finally did this,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: finally picked up the phone and gave folks a call.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I can think of so many people I've talked to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: personally who were like, Hey, I finally did it. It
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't that bad. I think people realize that it's not
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: as hard as you think. It's not intimidating, you don't
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: need to be an expert, you don't have to debate
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: anyone on the other side of the line, and it
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: can make a difference. We saw that by picking up
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: the phone and all of us from all you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: from all stripes of life, we all came together and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: made these phone calls and sent these emails, and it
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: did make a difference. And so I think hopefully to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: your point earlier with you know, whether it be rights
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: to hunt and predator hunting, all these different things. We're
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: gonna need to keep doing that, and I think more
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: people are confident and comfortable doing that moving forward.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And in the couple days leading up to it
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: finally getting pulled from the bill, there were two things
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that encourage me that like the tides were turning on this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: One was that on Twitter, which is where I get
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: my sports news, that people were tweeting about this for
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the first time in my lifetime. It like Twitter became
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a platform where it wasn't hunters and anglers either, who
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: like cared about this thing and who were talking about
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it and it was like trending on Twitter for a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: few days. Mike Lee was the other thing that was
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: very encouraging was Mike Lee that Giant Douchebag had tweeted
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: out that he he wondered aloud, who was funding all
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of this, Who was who was organizing this amount of feedback?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I know who's paying me to try to get this stuff?
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: It was so overwhelming from the people listening to this
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: show and beyond that that he made the assumption that
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: there was some books shadow. Yes, right, So that's that's
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: how powerful your voices were on this message. Let's do
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: one more, Phil.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's see here, Phil from Logan, I need to
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: know who's your favorite character and Lord of the Rings.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: First person that popped into my head was that fool
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: of a took Pippin Pip and took Udal. Oh well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know that's what I said. Though I
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: know that's too obvious, but I was. I'm referring to Peregrine.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: His ark and Return of the King is my favorite.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: And when Billy Boyd sings Stewart have Gone or It,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: it moves me, It stirs my bones.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some sort of a mashup of this,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Phil to understand what you just said.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: In your spare time, I'll get to work on that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is The Price is right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Here. It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most Exciting
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: ten minutes.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: It's the Prices right Yes, Mary, come.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: On down, Callahan, come on down. Your next two contestants
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: on media Radios The Prices right now. Here's your host,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Spencer new Home.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, this is the candy that I was
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: referring to earlier in the episode that we'd get to
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Now this game is really simple. What do you got cals?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I said. If you don't sign off by saying remember
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to get your dogs and cats neutered, I'm gonna beat.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I have it in my script.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Thank god, thank god.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: This game is really simple. Phil is going to tell
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you about a product from the Meat Eater universe, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you need to guess its price. The player with the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: closest answer without going over, will be declared the winner.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: If both players go over, then you'll both be told
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: to try again, and the chat should play along as well,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: out from Phil. All right, this week all three products
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: are from Facebook marketplace. Phil tell us about the first
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: item up forbid.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we will do, and we're doing it slightly different,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: so so forgive me here. Let's see here. Let's start
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: today's bidding with some utility metal trays in Belgrade, Montana.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: There's eighth of an sheets of aluminum were originally fabricated
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: as cadaver trays during COVID, but the seller says be
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: useful to any hunter as a butchering station or for
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: gear storage in the back of your truck. No more
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: allowing blood to freely flow across your kitchen table and
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: no more awkwardly crawling across the bed of your pickup
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: to reach that lantern. He also says they were great
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: great for hydroponic gardening or as shelves in your garage.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: This has us here in the studio wondering what cant
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: a cadaver or trade do?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: That's right, Phil, this is surely a listing that'll knock
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: him dead. All right, calin Mark, what is the price
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: for one of those trays off of Facebook market? It's
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: just one trade, that's what he had the price. We're
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: just looking for one tray. If you want, he said
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: in his listing, you could get a good deal by
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: buying that whole dang set up there, buying multiple trays
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: at a time. But we're just spying one tray. And
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: these are six and a half feet long, two and
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: a half feet wide, and they're built with quote marine
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: edge that has full fluid retention.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I mean that's an expensive deal. Welded aluminum.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, these were designed to be cadaver trays.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: But this this guy is sure that any outdoorsman could
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: use one of these, Cal, what would you do with
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: one of them? Trays.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think that'd be a killer thing to just
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: haul out and put on the kitchen counter when you're
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: butcher and stuff. Sure, easy to clean, Hit it with
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a little little blee och and you're good to go. Yeah,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I mean i'd take a cadaver tray.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Belgrade, Montana. That's uh, that's realistic.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, boy, that's a tough one.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: How you boys doing? Do you have an answer? Again?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: This is just for one tray we're pricing six and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: a half feet long, two and a half feet wide,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: made of aluminum. And you can see in one of
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the details of his photos he shows you his welding ability.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: How's that weld look to you?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Cal Oh, it's beautiful.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: He's a good welder.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But that has nothing to do with what we're purchasing
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: to no.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: No, But it gives you some confidence in the cellar
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that this man takes a lot of pride in his
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: cadaver trade work. Yeah, all right, you boys have an answer? Yeah,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I guess, So go ahead and reveal your answers. We
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: have Mark Kenyon saying thirty five dollars, Brian Callahan saying
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty dollars.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I won that I'm way low.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: The correct answer is one hundred and fifty dollars, giving
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Ryan Callahan the first point. He was twenty dollars off.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: This seller says he'll cut you a deal if you
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: buy four or more Phil. How'd the chat do?
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: We had a couple of people get it right on
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: the money. We had Brendan say one to fifty, Yang
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: bren Eathan also saying one fifty.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Well done. Brendan and Nathan Mark.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Some stainless deal trays before Cal.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just know the material that's expensive. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: mean that's expensive, six and.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: A half feet of aluminum.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I supposed to be half.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I'll let you know, Mark. I don't think Cal's ever
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: lost this game. So really, you're coming in up against
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: our toughest opponent.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: And this is intimidating. I mean, just so people don't
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: understand the context of my buying habits, I'm wearing a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: five year old free T shirt right now, like, not
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: out there hitting the marketplace.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time on Facebook Marketplace get well.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I do feel that, given what you just said there,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: you might be the kind of person who buys their
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: clothes and stuff on Facebook Marketplace.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, Goodwill.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's hard for I avoid Goodwill because I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: always come out of there with more stuff than I.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Find you in goodwill. That's what happened to me, all right,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Phil tell us about the second item up forbid.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Next up is a pheasant print love seat with a
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: hideaway bed in Colton, South Dakota. This love seat is
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: pure Grandma core furniture aka granny chic. You know what
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about. It's those loud, nostalgic designs that are
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: printed with a repeating image of a rustic barn with
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: a farm plow perched outside, or an old mill with
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: a working water wheel, or a floral pattern consisting of
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: red and orange and gold flowers. But at least those
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: ugly couches were comfortable, right, No, absolutely not. The scratchy
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: fabric would give you a rash, and the wood trim
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: darms are more likely to give you a neck then
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: a good night's sleep. This particular couch is printed with
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: a flushing pheasant pattern, so you know Grandpa had to
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: say in it's purchase. It's the perfect spot to watch
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: your favorite episode of Green Acres and the Leftovers out
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: of a country crock tub.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: And it was off Facebook marketplace before I could message
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the seller to buy it myself. This listing disappeared in
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: just seventeen hours.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Now I want to make sure I got this right
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: because I do think uh cost of living in the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: regions for sale matters. So did you say this was
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: in South Dakota Holton, South Dakota.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: This is about thirty minutes outside of their biggest city,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Sioux Falls. So eastern South Dakota is where this came from.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: It's already gone, though. I wish I could have logistically
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: figured out how to make this my own, but I
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: could not.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I could see in some places this could go for
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of money in one of the in the
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: kind of like that like like like your wife is
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: into she's kind of into like that old like boutique
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: old stuff and making it new. Aga I do.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: And this is in you know, the hunting the pheasant
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: hunting lodge capital of the world. So what a piece
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Green Acres? Phil Did you love Green Acres?
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen an episode of great but
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: you know what song?
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, sure.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: Acres is the place to be far farm for me,
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: farm spread out far and wide.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Keep just give me that country side. There we go.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: We know it all right? You boys ready go ahead
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and reveal your answers. We have Mark saying one hundred
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and fifty dollars and Ryan Callahan saying sixty four dollars.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: The correct answer. It's seventy five dollars, giving Ryan Callahan
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: the second point just eleven dollars off the correct answer.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: What screws me up is what I think it's listed
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: for versus what i'd offer.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Sure rtt sixty four dollars. Pretty good deal. And it's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: a hideaway bed on top of that.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm walking away with that thing at right and
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: fifty no more.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it disappeared in seventeen hours. There must
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: have been some real demand. All right, Cal has already
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: wrapped up the victory, but we'll see if he can
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: get a clean sweep and make Mark run around the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: building naked ass this tradition really quick.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: We had Odie the Good Shepherd with seventy five, Real
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: with seventy five, and Spencer two point Oho with seventy five.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Well done, you three, all right, Phil tell us about
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the third item up forbid today.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Our final item today is first light gear that's being
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: sold by a former Meat Eater employee. He's got four
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: items available, including a brand new Refuge parka, a brand
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: new Lzie jacket, a like new Sanctuary two point zero jacket,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: and a like new Kiln hoodie. He says it's great
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: gear and he's happy to provide references, including from some
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: folks who actually work at First Light, no kidding. And
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: you can feel good about your purchase because it's helping
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: him fund a down payment to his first home.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, these items are priced to move. It's
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: almost as though he got them for free, had a
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: discounted ray cal and mark what is his asking price
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: for those four pieces together? All four together, it was
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: a refuge parka Elz jacket, Sanctuary two point zero jacket,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: and Kilm hoodie.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I pull those four items.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Together, price to go. And he's trying to buy a house.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: He's trying to buy a house, he says. And I
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: like this individual, so I'm not gonna rat him out
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: too bad.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Just who it is.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like someone's gonna snoop this guy out
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna get alas.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: It's gone, it's sold. You'll never You'll never solve this mystery.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: What is the asking price for these four first Light items?
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Kel loves that Refuge Park. I know it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's burly, it's amazing. I mean, I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: let snort use it as like a blind dog bit
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: what a compliment a whole year because it wasn't like
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: cold enough for me to wear it, but I wanted
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to get the wear and tear in there, so like
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: dog pieing and muff and all the stuff. And it's
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: still totally waterproof and it's a great, great jacket.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Again, it's a Refuge parka LZ jacket, Sanctuary two point
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: zero jacket, and a like new Kiln hoodie. You boys
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: have your answer, yeah, yeah, go ahead and reveal your answer.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: We have Ryan Callahan Callahan saying five hundred and fifty dollars.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon says five hundred dollars. The correct answer is
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty dollars. Giving Ryan Callahan the third
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: point and the clean sweep now purchase new, they'd be
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: worth over fourteen hundred dollars. Yeah, you're getting these at
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: fifty percent off.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: You had been in the chat with six fifty, who
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: I think was the closest.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, well done, Ben, I like that guy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: That's the end of today's game of Price is Right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for playing along, and remember to help control the
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: pet population. Have your pets spaded neutered?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Love that great job.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Drew Carrey. He's been hosting Prices Right for eighteen years now.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: If you'd like to feel old.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I've never that's ever watched Drew Carey Prices Right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch Drew carry On? Whose line is
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: it anyway?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: No?
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: No, that's what I used to watch.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I'd liked Drew carry On The Drew Carrey.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Show, Cleveland Rot.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an amazing, amazing intro. That that was when people
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: cared about the music that played, uh for the the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: intro of their.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Scop good stuff. Coorey Graph dances through the streets.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and they had to change who's that President's of
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the United States of America?
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: I think so?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they had to change that intro a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: few times.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Oh I didn't I didn't know this all right.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Our next segment is show and tell.
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: Man shot down.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Man, shot down.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: A short.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Spencer, Spencer have a doctor's appointment and in three.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Minutes, all right, caw, what did you bring to show?
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: The classroom today.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: What were we supposed to bring, span, sir Jeezu. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: brought a good attitude, okay, and uh.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Somehow worse than the shoe last time.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Did you ever I'm.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Wearing flip flops today?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Does caliber open emails?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I do. There's just a lot of them, A lot
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: As I nervously scan for I have.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: A piece.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I can tell you more about this.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Track P.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Four.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I bought it for cow so you can have a
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: more compact setup for his remote podcast interviews. Because he's
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: a man. He's a man on the road. He's busy.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Someday that's gonna end up in good Will.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Out out there and long and lonesome.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Marcus, what did you bring for show and tell?
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I brought a very small caribou antler from the Arctic
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: National Wow. We were finding all sorts of caribou sheds
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: throughout our adventure that we told everybody about, and some
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: big ones. But I got to thinking, man, I can't.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe I could bring one big one home. It'd be
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a hassle. But the problem is
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: you can't bring one home of anything in my household
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: because I've got two sons oh, if you've got one,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: you've got none. So I wasn't gonna bring two huge
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: caribous sheds back with everything else. So I decided to
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: search out the smallest antlers I could find.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: How many antlers did you guys see? Oh jeez, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: mean quite a few, but put a number on it.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I've found three moose antlers.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean how I at the Arctic National
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Wildlife right, okay.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, but total antlers. I mean we just we
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: wouldn't even go pick them up. You would just see
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: them offrom the distance. I would say, you know, more
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: than fifty.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably brought home in the smallest one.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: So I brought the two smallest ones I could find,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: and this is one of them. And the boys were
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: very excited with them, and they keep them in their
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: bedroom now and it feels pretty, uh pretty zotic to them,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: a cariboul antler that they can touch and feel and say,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: the dad found this in Alaska and kind of a
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: fun story for them to.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I can't believe their peddicle is even that even at
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: their their youngest antler development age.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I mean that that could have been
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: an off a cow.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: So female sitting.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Point, Brent says, it's the antler from the Grinches dog.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, it's pretty good.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: It does look like Yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won Dad of the Week award with these.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Now, how did you decide which son got which antler?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: That was a little bit of like a push and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: shove and see who grabbed what first. Oh. I stayed
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: out of that one.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: But they were both happy with what they ended up with.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: And uh, I'm very excited to bring those back and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: show their buddies here in a month or so.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: You see how easy that is. Cal. You must have
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: one hundred antlers at your house.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: You could have brought I do.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I got a billion things going through my brain at
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: every second, though, too, so it was hard to keep
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it straight.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I thought, Cal, I thought you were going to bring
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: your mooseshed, because I did have. Cal's got a cool
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: moosehed story from our trip, if we have time to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: tell it.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I packed a huge moose shed home all the way
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: only was here to look at yeah, and I just yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: But the way you found it, well, we flew.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: Over it.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And somebody in the plane made the comment like, oh,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: that's a hikeable distance from camp. You No, not me.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: But when we landed the whole time, I was like,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that's a lot further away. You'd cover a lot of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: ground on a plane, right, And yeah, So I just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: started hiking and eventually did did come across it, but
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: also found like an old caribou deadhead that was faced
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: down in the muskeg and the antlers were like sinking
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: into the muskeg, like it's going to be a fossil
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: here in another thousand years, you know. And yeah, real,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: real cool, just big long slog. But found that brought
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: it all the way back.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I wish I could see it. Yeah, I'd love to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: be holding that thing right now.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It impressed the hell out of the ups driver
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the other day.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: So all right, My Show and Tell item is a stamp.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: This is a stamp that my wife got me this year,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the last time we were in New York City. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: this is a book stamp so that I can stamp
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: all of my books. It says from the Library of Spencer,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: New Arth. It's got a shirtless Smoky the Bear on
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: there who's holding a shovel. And this way, when Mark
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Kenyon wants to borrow a book from me, he knows
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that he has to give it back. There's no arguing
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: because all of my books now have this stamp in them.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this, Spencer, because all of my
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: friends think I'm the biggest nerve in the world. Oh,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I have something similar. Instead of an ink stamp, I've
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: got one of the things where having ye press it
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: presses a crest onto my book that shows from the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: library of Mark Kenyon. And they think I'm a total goober.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: So thank you my wife joining me in this.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: So this is one of my favorite gifts I've ever gone.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: It's Smoky the Bear telling everyone that that is my
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: damn book.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the show. Let's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: get some final feedback from the listeners. Phil what's the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: chat have to say?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Question from Mark. He says, we started planning out an
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Alaska caribou hunt in five years and this new bill
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: is putting a wrench in it. My dad says we
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: shouldn't hunt them because we'd be putting additional stress on
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: the herd. And then he followed it up with just
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: like general thoughts from you.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Guys man the Porcupine caribou herd, which is the herd
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: here in the refuge where this is happening, is one
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: of the only caribou herds that's not in decline right now.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Most others are plummeting. This one has been doing pretty
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: decent at the moment. But this could change things. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: mean it could. We just don't know yet when all
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: this is going to start happening and what that's going
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: to look like. So I guess I'm going to put
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: my faith in the Alaska fishing game and hope that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: they are going to adjust taggle allocations if things start
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: going nose down. But I would be keeping tabs on it.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Oh and the other thing is like people need to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: go up and see this area and have these adventures.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Once you do, you can't think, oh, man, this would
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: be better if we were developing it for anything other
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: than what it's constantly doing, which is, you know, creating
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: unbelievable amounts of life. Right, So I think it's important
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: that you go on that hunt.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Also, a lot can change in five years. A lot
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: can change in six months, which is about the amount
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: of time that's taken for this big, beautiful bill to happen.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: For the Trump administration. Also, I think probably one of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the hardest parts for people to plan in Alaska hunt
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: or trip is just saving the money. So I don't know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: keep planning that trip for five years from now.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's a heck of a lot of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: stuff to do up there even if the caribou hunt
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen for one reason or another. There's amazing rafting opportunities,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: hiking opportunities, backpacking, bird watching. I mean, see it one
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: way or another.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: Yeap, Carl as Spencer your favorite bar in Yankton?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Oh glad you asked, Carl the ice House. That's just
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: like a classic answer. I think everyone who's been to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Yankton and ben to a bar there, that's their favorite bar.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: It's right next to the Missouri River. You've got great scenery,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: and then when you finish your drink, you order a bottle.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Of course, you get to smash that bottle against the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: building underneath their patty. It's very satisfying experience. It's very
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: motivating to have that next beer, not in the recycling
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: their home, recycling it right back to the earth under
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: that porch. Okay, what else you got, Phil.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Jeremy says, question for the crew, I'm about to take
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: a mate in his first real hunt, do I put
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: him up front and give him the best cracker as
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: a watch and learn approach better.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Feel it out, very dynamic situation. My only thing that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I would tell you have to do is put that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: person in a situation where they can try to make
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: their own informed decisions. You know, it's just not very
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: impactful if you are doing all the hunting and then
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you're like, hey, pull the trigger right, y'all. I'll put
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: them in a position to where they'd start learning the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: hunting and have to make some of those decisions along
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. I would also say,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, it depends on what their exposure is to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: the experience preceding this one hunt, Like if they have
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: if they're coming right off the couch and have done
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: nothing out of here like this, I would say that's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: probably it'd be a lot to throw you right into
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: the fire right away and tell you, hey, you're hunting
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and shoot. It might be worth letting them tag along
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: for a while. But I've had plenty of times where
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: someone's been exploring these things.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: On their own.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: They've been dabbling, they've been testing, they've been watching they've
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: been thinking about it and they just need someone with
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: them for that final step to really go on a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: real hunt. But they've been slowly getting there. In that case,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: then yeah, give them those opportunities. But I agree with
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: what you're saying, Ko.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when I'm with an inexperienced hunter, top
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: things I noticed that they struggle with is the speed
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: of things. Whether it's like now you have to be
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: really slow and like treat each one of these moments
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: like it really matters, or now you got to go
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: really fast, like you got to make a decision, you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: got to get to this spot, you have to like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: do this next thing. So I think if you can
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: get them to tag along and just watch and try
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: to get a feel for when things need to be slow,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: you go slow. When things need to be fast, you
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: go fast, it's just gonna put them in a better position.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Cool, do a couple more. Uh where was the one?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nate asks, He's well. First, he says, he's chasing
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: his first buck in South Dakota this year. What time
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: of year do you know a buck is looking like
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be a big one? Is there a saying
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: like with corn me high by fourth of July.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you shuah, I should come up with one right now,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: For me, usually in July you're like, okay, that's probably
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a good one. But really, once once August hits,
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  Speaker 3: then you know, like, oh yeah, like that, you know
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  Speaker 3: what a buck's gonna be once August rolls around, and
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  Speaker 3: then by at least you know places I spend time
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  Speaker 3: by mid August, they're basically what they're gonna be. They
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: start hardening from mid August, from mid August on and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: then peel velvet that first week of September, give or
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  Speaker 3: take you know a little bit. So yeah, in July
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  Speaker 3: you're getting like a general sense of who I think so,
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  Speaker 3: and then August you know, so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In July you're probably looking at antlers that have like
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: a hot dog shape almost they're like still bulbous. You'll
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: have a good idea. I don't think you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be surprised if you get a book on trail camera
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  Speaker 2: two weeks from now. I don't think you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be shocked in August at what that deer looks like.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll have a good idea right now.
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  Speaker 1: Cool.
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  Speaker 4: Just to follow up on the book talk Spencer asks
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  Speaker 4: if anything's if anybody is reading anything good in any
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  Speaker 4: book recommendations.
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  Speaker 3: The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley would be one I'd
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  Speaker 3: recommend for anyone who's been intrigued by our conversation today.
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  Speaker 3: That book's all about the history of public lands and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: wildlife and conservation in Alaska. Fascinating history of how the
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  Speaker 3: Alaska we know today came to be. The many battles
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  Speaker 3: like what we've been talking about today have been happening
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  Speaker 3: for decades and decades, various iterations of it. Super interesting,
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  Speaker 3: very interesting characters. Many of the names that you've heard
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: in podcasts on meat or within films or wherever it
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: might be, stuff like Eldo Leopold, Bob Marshall, Olas Muri,
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  Speaker 3: John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt. All these people had a really
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: integral part of Alaska's history as well that I think
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  Speaker 3: most people don't know. I didn't know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff, even as someone who's written about this extensively.
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  Speaker 3: So fascinating and a pretty page turner of a history book.
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  Speaker 3: So that's The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on my twenty sixth book of the year right now,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: it's the Pirates Code. It's all about pirates. It's okay,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: it's fine. It's gonna be like a three and a
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  Speaker 2: half star book for me when I'm done. I think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the best thing I've read at is of late Ridgeline.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: We had Michael punk on the Mediater podcast a few
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  Speaker 2: years ago. He also wrote The Revenant. That is a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: great work of historical fiction. Would would recommend that to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: anyone who is interested in in that subject matter. Also,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Wolf Island. I bought that book while I was at
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Isle Royale and I loved it. It was to read
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: list really really fascinating stuff. And a book always feels
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: like it's stronger when it has a first hand account.
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  Speaker 2: And this is written by one of those biologists who
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: was one of the first people to work on the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: moose and wolf relationship of Isle Royale. It's a great reader,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: especially if you're interested in that part of the world.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: David meach Right or Max something like that. Nb H.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Heck, yeah, I just got The Warriors Garden by Richard
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Ryan in the mail, so I'm gonna start digging digging
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  Speaker 1: through that.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: My next book was actually recommended by Phil's wife, Adrian.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: The feather thief. So I'm very excited about that. One's interesting.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like a three day book. Good it's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: a fast.
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  Speaker 2: One, all right. That brings us to the end of
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  Speaker 2: the show. Thanks Cal, Thanks Marcus. Thanks back here next week.
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  Speaker 2: Good time now