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EDP26: Silesia Diamond League / Eoins Frank Duffy 10 mile / Rest of Europe round up · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, SO 26. I'm joined by Owen Smith, fresh
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  off the back of a 10 mile race around Dublin's finest Phoenix
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  Park, Phoenix Park. Welcome to the show, bright and
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  early Sunday morning. Yeah, it's a foggy morning here
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  in Ireland, but I'm not clear. We actually work in the middle
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  of a northern heat wave. Would you believe this week it
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  was like 2325 humidity through the roof.
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  So yeah, struggling a little bit, but it's better than the
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  dark mornings and the rain that was coming pretty soon.
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  No, it's good that you survive in the the tough summer over
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  there. Guys, it is tough.
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  And Dean Menzies also joins the show off the back of a 2 1/2
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  hour long run this morning. How you feeling, Dean?
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  Pretty well, yeah. Better for having done a long
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  run in quite nice weather I think it was.
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  We had a nice winters morning which is a bit different to what
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  we've been experiencing, so no complaints here.
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  How do we feel about the the changed recording time?
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  I'm actually quite thankful because I reckon if we'd done
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  the usual Sunday evening I would have been asleep.
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  Like I don't know what's going on, but I had to have a nap
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  before for the first time in a while.
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  All that cycling catching up with you.
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  Legs aren't cut out for it. Did you cycle for two and half
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  hours? No, I've done 2 hours but not
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  with them by myself. Yeah, yes.
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  Because cycling around at a long run pace, I might as well just
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  stayed in bed. Really.
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  Might not, yeah. Yeah.
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  He did look quite the there's a few comments from a few of the
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  guys when he rocked up for coffee looking quite the the
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  cyclists these days do. You have the lycra.
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  No, no, I was. I wasn't sure where it's come
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  from. Maybe I've just naturally slowly
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  transitioned into the cyclist appearance, but it's not a
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  conscious decision. I have the bike, that's what I
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  have, and it's not even mine. That's what probably made them
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  think, oh shit, here's a formal cyclist.
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  But it was nice we we caught up for a coffee for the first time
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  in like forever with Josh and Adam and Lucky Headsman Market.
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  Must have been probably the first meet up there since you
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  were there. Maybe Owen as well.
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  Wow, really? Maybe, but maybe we just kept it
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  a bit tight the circle, so now it's good to see you run.
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  Well, I missed the coffee just on from there.
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  The bakery. Yeah, so very good.
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  And Josh was there fresh, fresh off the back of his transcend
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  yesterday. Dean, did you go down and watch
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  that, did you say or parts of it?
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  Yeah, I did. I have you seen footage of like
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  where it finishes? And so, yeah, I guess for
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  listeners, it's sort of east of Perth.
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  There's a heap of sort of rolling hills.
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  We won't call them mountains, pretty sure they're not
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  classified as mountains, but but it is quite hilly, like a hilly
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  Ridge that runs along the East Coast, well east of the city.
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  And there was a 65K ultra marathon that was on yesterday.
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  I think there's a range of distances getting up to the
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  furthest distance being 65K. And yeah, there's a few guys
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  that we knew competing either in teams or as individuals.
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  And a couple of my cousins who's just got into running more
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  recently, they were both doing it as well.
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  So we sort of house and I took the kids down down to the finish
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  line and they're like face painting and a few things set up
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  made it family friendly. So it's maybe like an hour, just
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  a bit an hour and 10 maybe out of like from from where we are
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  to get there. But yeah, it finishes on like a
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  hilltop and they, the organizers do a great job of like making it
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  like quite a picturesque sort of finish.
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  It's in like a nice like, you know, Perth countryside and
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  there's some beer like some food vans and you can grab a drink
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  and yeah, it was really good. Yeah, cool.
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  Shout out to Josh. Took a few scalps there.
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  And Phil Gore is what's he the world record holder in the
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  backyard? Ultra renowned trail runner,
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  Ultra runner, Anyway. Yeah, yeah, He, that's right,
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  that's right. So I think it was quite a deep
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  men's field, I think, and there's a bit of prize money.
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  So yeah, it's good. Sort of followed the live
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  tracker. They have a live stream for it.
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  And yeah, I think it's it's getting a bit of following.
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  It should get more. It's really one of the best runs
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  of run events in Perth, I reckon.
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  But but yeah, normally see a few familiar faces out there.
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  I think one of our listeners, Riley, he was not not there.
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  I think he's supporting his mum who's doing it a bit tough at
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  the minute, which obviously family always comes first.
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  But yeah, thoughts with him. But it was nice to see a few
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  familiar faces out there having a having a crack.
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  Conscious for we might have some new listeners actually on the
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  back of the interview with Jake Smith the other day.
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  Bit of exposure over on the UK, so apologies for just rambling
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  randomly at the start of the episode, but this is kind of
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  what we tend to do before we get into the formalities.
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  So did you enjoy listening to the interview?
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  I, I very much enjoyed doing it. Like I was so appreciative of
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  how like open and honest Jake was.
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  And I had to actually grin and bear listening to my own voice
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  to go back and listen to it, to take in everything that he said
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  properly. Because you know, when you're
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  doing it, you're like kind of always thinking about what to
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  say next and stuff. And listening back, I was like,
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  wow, he's got so much like wisdom to share.
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  Yeah, I am. It wasn't how I I had a bit of
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  an idea in my own head before I put put it in my ears as to what
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  I think I would hear just because I'd heard him speak
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  before. But it was sort of before.
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  I think it was before his battle with Red S to be honest, because
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  you know how like often people will be interviewed after a
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  particular result. And I think it was around that
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  COVID time where we couldn't really TuneIn to run it up or in
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  Perth. It was like the lockdowns were
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  pretty heavy and Europe sort of opened up before we did.
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  So I remember him being at the 2021 half marathon world champs
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  and being in the league group in amongst a whole heap of East
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  Africans and he sort of stood out and ahead of them was sort
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  of building up a bit of a head of steam in terms of running
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  PBS. And I remember hearing him
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  interviewed around that time and he sort of, and he spoke about
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  it on this chat, just about some of the training he was doing
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  early days, which was phenomenal.
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  But as sort of he reflected on maybe not sustainable.
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  And it's sort of like, yeah, just, I thought it was maybe
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  just an extension on I, I've been injured or I'd had some
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  troubles and I've sort of now back on the horse and just going
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  full send again. But it really wasn't like that
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  at all. It was sort of, yeah, I just
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  found the whole conversation really interesting.
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  He was so open and honest, which was really cool.
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  And just, yeah, I don't know, it make it really makes you sort of
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  put some running into perspective a little bit, right.
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  Like in terms of just the, the impact it can have when you're
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  sort of pushing and trying really hard and you sort of it's
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  such a related such relatable conversation because we're on,
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  we're all on here and a lot of the stuff we talk about is just
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  trying to get a bit better. And he was doing that and all he
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  was doing is sort of with the best intention of just trying to
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  take his physical performance forward.
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  And it really sort of the the impact of sort of fueling and
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  underfueling sort of was that was detrimental to his health
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  and well-being. You know, talking about some of
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  those stats he was going through regarding his testosterone and
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  iron and just his physical, you know, deconditioning because he
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  was under fuelling was and and it was all just because he was
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  trying to opt, you know, was to do with optimizing performance,
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  which is very relatable. But yeah, all pretty serious and
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  just really interesting insights that he shared.
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  Yeah. And probably like, so relatable
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  to almost anyone who runs because I'm sure we've all been
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  there where you're thinking about like, what you're going to
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  eat next and like whether you should eat it or whether you
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  should not eat it. And maybe it makes you think
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  differently, Like, well, are those thoughts normal?
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  And yeah, it's just shed some interest and light on like how
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  you think yourself as well now that he's kind of been through
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  the process of being diagnosed with this, if you like, and
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  going on the journey to learn about it.
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  Yeah, I have sort of friends outside of running that are
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  quick to comment on like choices around sort of under rating and
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  it not making a lot of sense because they're sort of
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  particularly like when it comes to them and performance, you
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  need sort of strength. And like this general like under
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  eating, particularly with some of the macros like protein and
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  stuff like why you're not eating more of that sort of thing.
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  And you sort of just dismiss a lot of it.
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  And Once Upon a time, I think you sort of, I know when I was
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  running a while ago, you wouldn't feel ahead of a long
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  run or before running and you sort of was sort of felt like it
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  was a bit tough in terms of just toughing it out.
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  And it's sort of a lot of these things just not really the right
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  approach and a bit of a consistent theme between what
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  Izzy was talking about with fuelling, what Jake was talking
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  and then ran to Japan. Obviously, like is it scranted
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  Japan? Like he's obviously quite the
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  advocate and maybe his MMA background meant that he was he
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  didn't have the same sort of predispositions that maybe
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  someone that just comes into running and and focus on running
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  performance has in terms of fuel.
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  But yeah, it was a super cool chat and just seems like a
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  really lovely guy as well. Yes.
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  Yeah, we better actually just give a little how Reading done
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  this weekend because I'm pretty sure all the Reading ultras
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  ultra fans are now listening to us.
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  So Reading unfortunately lost 21 to AFC Wimbledon yesterday.
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  So and not a great started league but I'm sure they'll come
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  back strong. As crowd, she would say, hashtag
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  back stronger. Transitioning into the Strava
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  group then before we get into things, I feel like we're going
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  to have to start omitting Jake from this run to Japan top every
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  week. Isn't HE255K Like what the hell?
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  I think someone should just try and run A300K week just to make
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  him come second. You know, we'd run 310 the next
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  week. I I responded to one of his
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  stories the other day done like a 60 odd Ki think I just put
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  like a flame emoji or like the clapping reaction or whatever.
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  And he was like, yeah, thanks. Got to make sure I'm top of your
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  leaderboard, haven't I? It's impressive now did you see
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  he put up a picture of where he was in his Like I think it was
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  episode 2. I was YouTube the dorm place.
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  He put a picture that was so funny.
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  I saw you the comment. Yeah, I.
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  Appreciated it. That's funny.
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  It's still up. There's a lot of good.
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  I mean, obviously every Sunday I love that he releases consistent
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  content. I think that's like important,
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  right? Like that Sunday afternoon
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  release of his videos and there's a lot of good videos,
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  but that one and the not that you ever want to see someone go
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  to hospital, but it's more his reactions to his condition that
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  will. They'll stay with me forever, I
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  reckon. So maybe this week then we'll
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  speak about the person who's in second because if anyones
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  familiar and like enjoys marathon training and running
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  marathons, then you may have heard the head of a coach called
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  Renato Canova. And now this guy coaches a very
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  select number of professional athletes.
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  In addition to that, he coaches the famous Norwegian Christian
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  Ulrichsen and he's in second on 168 K.
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  So if anyone is intrigued about Canova's philosophies and his
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  training and literally if you go into Christian's Strava, you'll
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  see all the sessions that he's doing there in his in his lead
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  up to Berlin Marathon. And he's kind of putting it all
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  in the line because he's run 168K this week.
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  And also if you follow him on Instagram is he's sharing some
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  of the things that Ronaldo is actually like saying to him and
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  stuff. And I'm actually finding some of
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  the quotes like quite insightful in terms of you almost are
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  getting like that access to Ronaldo because he's telling you
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  what he's telling an athlete who he coaches as he closes in on
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  race day and stuff. Yeah, I think that's only six
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  days, right, Because you're he's Norwegian.
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  So they've not started their Sunday.
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  So I don't think you'll quite catch Jake, but he's doing
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  pretty well. Yeah, true.
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  I know RAF is like had conversations with Renato over
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  time, like I think when he was in Kenya sat down with him and
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  recorded a bit of a like a 2 hour conversation with him,
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  which he sort of shared with us in the past, which is really
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  cool, cool insights. But I know sort of when it comes
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  to the specific phase of some of the marathon work we do, he'll
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  sort of leverage some of the concepts and some of the
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  learnings he's had from chatting with, chatting with him
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  regarding sort of, you know, the Super blocks or the the sort of
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  special workouts and sort of the sort of.
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  And I was chatting about this with Adam on the long run today,
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  Like before I sort of started being coached by Frontrunner,
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  the ability to sort of predetermine your race
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  performance. It was a bit more gut feeling
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  intuition, whereas nowadays what we'll do is say 10 days out or
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  two or three weeks out, depending on the distance is
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  like a a precursor, which is sort of serving two few
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  purposes, I suppose. Like these marathon specific
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  workouts, they sort of mentally dial you into the race.
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  You sort of do a lot of the preparatory work like the race,
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  you sort of suffer similar to the race.
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  You get pretty close to the fire.
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  And then also, so in terms of that mental prep is really good
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  for you, but then it also has like a physical benefit.
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  It gives you a bit of an uptick because it's quite an acute
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  stimulus as you're sort of sharpening before the race.
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  But then importantly for me, like I used to go into races and
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  come out of them a bit surprised as to what my performance was
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  when I maybe thought I was in different shape to what I raced.
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  Whereas a lot of these workouts will really give you some, if
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  you run them as per the effort that you should be, you'll get a
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  really good insight into where your fitness is actually at.
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  So you shouldn't be too far off. It sort of really helps you sort
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  of dial in what your race plan should be.
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  And I know some of the sort of super block or the special sort
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  of workouts that Renato does that a highly marathon specific,
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  like Once Upon a time people would look at that and be like,
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  that's silly, like that's you're doing too much.
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  Whereas now and the shoes and fuelling and those sorts of
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  things certainly help. But it's certainly become much
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  more commonplace for a lot of people are doing them.
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  But yeah, I don't know. So I'm, yeah, it's a lot of fun
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  sort of following Christian's journey, right?
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  And seeing someone who's much more relatable do the training
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  of what Renato would prescribe to someone.
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  And then also sort of the challenges that that Christian
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  has around his top end ceiling is much more relatable.
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  Like he's not Renata's not being given some genetic Lee gifted
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  superhuman who's training full time, you know.
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  And so this is it's such a it's such a cool insight.
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  And then all the the strides and the speed work and then the like
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  long specific stuff. And then like the steady runs,
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  like the fat Max runs that he's doing, like, yeah, all super
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  interesting and yeah, super cool follow.
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  I don't know much about Chris. Oh, so like what?
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  What's his times like? What's his marathon PB?
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  I think he's from like 221 maybe about a while ago and I think
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  maybe he ran 223 ish. Perhaps he was a couple minutes.
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  He ran London in April and Jordan Donnelly was coaching him
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  in the lead up to them. But it's sort of gone through a
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  bit of a spell where like his PBS, he struggled to run a PB,
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  sort of went through a bit of a rut.
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  And then Jordan started coaching him and he ran like 10K half
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  marathon PBS. And then he had this really
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  short build into London, But I think he spent a bit of time in
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  Kenya and got a bit cooked. And so it sort of didn't quite
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  reflect his full fitness. I don't think the marathon time,
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  but he but he otherwise is, you know, if you're in PB shape for
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  the shorter distances, in theory, if you get the if you
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  have enough lead time for a marathon block, you hopefully
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  can make that work. But yeah.
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  So is he going for sub 220? All going well, yeah, that's
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  the, that's the sort of, yeah. He's all in on trying to go sub
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  220, yeah. That's.
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  His life, that's his life goal I think.
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  Like he jokes saying that Renato is like the most passionate
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  person about running, but perhaps besides him it would
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  actually be Chris. So like when you hear him speak,
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  he fucking loves it doesn't he? And I think his bio even says
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  like striving for two 1959 or something.
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  Yeah, yeah. Subscribe to the Inside Running
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  podcast. And they do like a monthly
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  episode with him, Brady and they Yeah, I find them.
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  Yeah, very. I find those episodes like
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  hilarious and him in particular. He's very funny all.
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  Right. Then lastly, before we talk
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  about the results, I won't say too much more, but just to let
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  yous know more so that we have a special delivery on the way
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  ahead of the Clubhouse launch, which we're going to go ahead
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  with in the week leading up to Sydney.
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  Because I mean like this is very much trial and error.
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  Like it's something that we want to do because we think that it
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  has like real value to it, but also being conscious like it's
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  only going to work if everyone else gets involved in it.
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  So get involved and we'll see what happens, but feel like it's
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  got some good potential right then running results.
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  How can we not start with the Diamond League from last night?
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  Firstly, the women's 800 meters. Now this was odd because it
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  wasn't even on the official Diamond League card.
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  So once you turn the stream on this race that already been run
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  and I don't about use, but I was like, oh, do I like search the
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  results like whilst it's happening or do I wait for the
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  broadcast to come on now and that they're like show it again.
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  And I was like, oh, do I want to like watch it live or like do I
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  want to spoil the results? But anyway, I managed to hold
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  off and I watched it live. So it was won by Keely
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  Hodgkinson on a return to racing.
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  First race since the Olympic final last year in a 15474.
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  Second group was Lillian Odira 15652 and 3rd or Atali now
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  15676. So how did you experience
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  watching this? Did you get to see it live?
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  And so I didn't even, I thought this was on like Saturday night.
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  So when you put in the group chat about Keely.
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  So basically just for some context, we have a little group
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  chat and Ryan was like, ah, Keely's bag or something.
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  Just give her the gold medal now.
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  And I was like, ah, I don't think so.
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  She had she's had such an inconsistent build and I think
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  it's going to be a lot closer, but you're the race had already
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  been run and like she had already won on the set.
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  I like a new world lead. So I was like, oh shit, now
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  she's back. Just actually give her the gold
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  medal. She's so good.
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  They didn't broadcast that race run.
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  That was like before the live stream.
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  Yeah, but they did, they did show it once the because I I've
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  got the well, maybe I don't say this because you suppose
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  technically not allowed them, but I watched it on BBC iPlayer
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  anyway and she went through in 56 I think it was.
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  So what's that? If you double 56 that's going to
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  be a 152. But that's technically how they
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  run the 8 hundreds, isn't it? They go through the 1st 400 a
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  little bit quicker and just try and cling on, but gradually they
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  slip a little. But yeah, she won by a margin of
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  like almost 2 seconds. And you're looking like we can't
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  not mention the fact that Claudia Hollingsworth has won
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  and run a new national record. She finished fifth in 15767 and
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  Abby Caldwell finished right behind her in 6th 157.7.
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  So incredibly close. And that was actually the second
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  fastest Australian all time. But as you're watching this
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  race, like Keely's genuinely that far off the front that it
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  looks like a different race and like 157 is incredibly fast.
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  It's mad what she can do to that field like.
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  On the same return to to training program as Owen,
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  obviously. I wish.
• 21:22
  Goes to show a bit of time off is not always the the worst
• 21:25
  thing I mean. It's dangerous.
• 21:28
  Like your body's so like recovered and so fresh and ready
• 21:32
  to go. Like, yeah, I wouldn't put a
• 21:35
  limit. And what she could run this year
• 21:36
  now, like she's around 1:54 and like when's the world's in a
• 21:40
  couple of weeks? Like she's fresh as.
• 21:42
  Well, I see and actually she's on the start list for is it
• 21:45
  Lausanne in the week Wednesday or something?
• 21:48
  She's on the start list there again.
• 21:49
  So it's like 154 that's mad because first race back, even if
• 21:54
  you are like incredibly fit, you expect a little bit of
• 21:57
  roughness, like maybe the last like 3040 meters struggle a
• 22:01
  little bit. And even if she had a worn but
• 22:04
  it was like 156 or 157 or finished second or third and
• 22:09
  like been in the race for a while but maybe got past late or
• 22:12
  something, you're like, OK, yeah, she's in a good place.
• 22:14
  But to do that, it's mad. So the world record is 153.28,
• 22:22
  set by some Czechoslovakian woman back in 1983.
• 22:26
  I'm actually not won't comment on her image, but yeah, so she's
• 22:33
  she's close. Well, I think that world record
• 22:36
  is held in the same regard as the 3000 meter world record that
• 22:41
  they seemingly openly, openly like say was part of the Chinese
• 22:46
  open regime. But we're going to get to that
• 22:49
  in a minute actually. Well, we'll talk about it now.
• 22:52
  Any more comments on the 800 before we move on?
• 22:54
  Wait, have you seen what the person looked up?
• 22:58
  Look up that person. The first thing that comes up.
• 23:00
  Yeah, she beat you in a tank. She beat you in an arm wrestle,
• 23:04
  Owen. Freaking out animal.
• 23:08
  Yeah. Wow.
• 23:13
  There's a footage, I think of that race, I think on YouTube,
• 23:16
  isn't it? Is it?
• 23:17
  Yeah, I've seen it, Sammy, recently.
• 23:19
  Like people can look however they want these days and that's
• 23:23
  fine. But genuinely, when I first seen
• 23:25
  it, I was thinking it's like a man's race.
• 23:27
  It's got to be. Have you seen her quads on her
• 23:29
  like shoulders and upper body? It's obscene.
• 23:33
  Sure I did. But this thing I don't get.
• 23:36
  I was going to mention this when we talked about this 3000.
• 23:39
  So it can overlap into it nicely now.
• 23:40
  But like, why? If we seemingly know that these
• 23:45
  records are from like dopam regimes, the Czechoslovakia one
• 23:48
  and the Chinese one or whatever, like why do we still like hold
• 23:52
  them up and honour them? It's going to be the same with
• 23:54
  this Kippy Aegon. 1 Kippy Aegon. Definitely not Kippy Aegon.
• 24:00
  Not again. Well, like in in 1020 years,
• 24:06
  that record will probably still stand.
• 24:08
  But whenever it's referenced, because women are maybe running
• 24:12
  like 212 to 11, getting closer to something, it'll always be Oh
• 24:16
  yeah, but then she was she was guilty for drugs just after she
• 24:19
  ran it, wasn't she? Why can't we delete?
• 24:21
  Do they think she just started taking the drugs after she ran
• 24:25
  209? It doesn't make sense.
• 24:31
  No it doesn't. Sorry, I was distracted by
• 24:33
  Ryan's coconut water, but minerals, calories got
• 24:37
  everything. But it's a joke.
• 24:43
  No, I don't. I don't know.
• 24:45
  I like, I suppose like you can't really.
• 24:48
  It gets very Gray if you start to rub out records like the
• 24:51
  presumably those some records could be clean and then someone
• 24:54
  chose to do something. So you can't.
• 24:56
  It's very difficult to give a blanket ban to say if you got
• 24:58
  rubbed out once that none of your times count.
• 25:01
  Like how far back do you go? I think if you're cheating
• 25:05
  you're wrong athlete. Just fuck out.
• 25:06
  Like just fuck off. Genuinely.
• 25:08
  None of your records stand, all your results are gone.
• 25:11
  Give all your money back, I don't care.
• 25:13
  But but for example, there was an Australian athlete I've I
• 25:17
  have to track down her name forgotten, but she got she got
• 25:22
  served like a four year doping ban reduced to 2:00 just because
• 25:25
  of her honesty and transparency when it came to it.
• 25:28
  But she she literally just took pre workout and was not aware of
• 25:32
  a particular ingredient, which even that ingredient in there is
• 25:35
  like it's got multiple names. So she wasn't like someone that
• 25:39
  sort of participated in some national doping protocol and is
• 25:44
  completely rotten. So yeah.
• 25:46
  So it's, I don't know. So can you you like?
• 25:48
  Is that different? It's your job.
• 25:51
  It's. Hard on that.
• 25:52
  It's your job. All these supplements, you don't
• 25:54
  take a supplement that's not tested like it's it's your job.
• 25:57
  Generally, Fred Curly, like you hit 3 whereabouts failures, like
• 26:01
  it's your job to show up to this stuff.
• 26:03
  It's like not showing up to work.
• 26:05
  Well, I was reading about it on the back of this Shelby Houlihan
• 26:08
  thing the other week because the whole what, what was it?
• 26:12
  She had the blue burrito. I've always heard this.
• 26:15
  And it like kind of intrigued me.
• 26:17
  Like, well, there must be something more to it than that.
• 26:20
  So obviously she claims that the burrito was contaminated with
• 26:23
  whatever this substance was. And supposedly in pork or
• 26:27
  whatever meat it is, it can get in there, but it's then on the
• 26:32
  athlete to prove how the meat or the source has been
• 26:36
  contaminated. So like, she would have had to
• 26:38
  go back to that food truck and get them to contact their
• 26:42
  supplier and get them to get samples of that meat to prove
• 26:47
  that the substance was in like the actual original source.
• 26:51
  And if she hadn't done that, then maybe it would have stood
• 26:54
  up in court. So that's why the excuses kind
• 26:58
  of laughed at a little bit because she didn't actually do
• 27:01
  anything with it. It was more just like, let's
• 27:03
  make it as Gray as we can and kind of try and find a way out.
• 27:09
  So like for those that for that supplement, just to tie it back
• 27:12
  to what that Australian might have taken there, that would
• 27:14
  have been evident that it was in all the samples and the bottles
• 27:19
  and everything of it. But the whole area is grey,
• 27:24
  isn't it? It's obviously like the the
• 27:26
  regulations that are put in place.
• 27:28
  You can't just delete people's times from all of history.
• 27:31
  However, if they changed it and said if you ever caught dope and
• 27:35
  then you basically sacrifice out everything you've ever done,
• 27:38
  then it stands up differently. Maybe that's what we have to
• 27:41
  petition for. But the levels that you want
• 27:43
  shall be had was like two or three times higher than what
• 27:47
  would have been from eating a contaminated food.
• 27:50
  Yeah, but doesn't make sense. But only two or three times and
• 27:56
  but it could have been 20 or 200 times like if she was actually
• 28:00
  using it for performance enhancing, you know, like we've
• 28:02
  seen with the check Nagasic one, she had like 200 times the legal
• 28:07
  amount, didn't she? So that was part of a defence,
• 28:09
  like I'm only just over the threshold for contamination.
• 28:14
  Yeah, but if you're doing it right, you're not like juicing
• 28:16
  yourself up to the gills. You're only doing a little bit.
• 28:19
  If you're going to do it, you might as well get juiced up to
• 28:22
  the girls. Yeah, I don't like it.
• 28:27
  But no, to be fair, I don't think we should just because
• 28:30
  I'm, I'm making a joke about it there.
• 28:31
  I don't think it's something that like we should laugh about
• 28:33
  when we're speaking about it because I mean, to us, we're
• 28:37
  putting it out to an audience that we're comfortable with, but
• 28:40
  you don't know who you're going to influence.
• 28:42
  Like if younger athletes and stuff are listening to it, like,
• 28:46
  I mean, we have always taken it seriously and always spoken
• 28:48
  about it in a negative light, so.
• 28:51
  Don't do drugs any sort of. Leading is leading is on to the
• 28:55
  women's 3000 meters where there was a long standing world record
• 28:59
  from 1993 from a Chinese lady Faith KP Aegon was attacking
• 29:04
  that and she ran 807 for first one by a huge margin. 834 and
• 29:12
  2nd from the Keena Aimbor and another Ethiopian lady was third
• 29:17
  in 835 followed by the Australian of Rose Davis in 4th
• 29:21
  836 just off her personal best of 835.
• 29:25
  Lauren Ryan in 6th 837. Georgia Griffiths in 7th, 8:40.
• 29:31
  Again, for freaking fake EPA going to be 27 seconds ahead of
• 29:36
  the person in second is just mind blowing is it not?
• 29:42
  It's. Crazy.
• 29:43
  She had two paces. The first one was, I can't think
• 29:48
  of a first name, but that hair to Clacker, you know Joe
• 29:50
  Clacker's partner. And she went through AKI, think
• 29:54
  they went through 242. And then Jess Hall was the
• 29:58
  second pacer. So she was there for 2K243 and
• 30:02
  then it left KP Aegon with another maybe 242 to run by
• 30:06
  herself and for the 800 to 400 to go lap.
• 30:11
  She slowed a little and I think she ran a 65 maybe, and that
• 30:15
  meant that she had a 62 to run the record and she closed in a
• 30:19
  63. Yeah, she's both different.
• 30:23
  Good run from the Aussies now. Yeah, I think as I said, Rose
• 30:26
  Davis was just shy of the PB, but Lauren Ryan's puts her up to
• 30:30
  maybe 5th on the all time list I think.
• 30:34
  And then Georgia who was finished 7th last night, she's
• 30:38
  the actual record holder seen 824.
• 30:41
  Like when you look at those results, she would if she had to
• 30:45
  run that race. She finished the second there to
• 30:47
  keep you a gun. I mean, obviously it's if buts
• 30:49
  and maybes, but it puts it into some sort of context.
• 30:53
  Men's 1500 was won by Yard Nagus in 333.19.
• 30:59
  Second and third was Timothy Cheriot of Kenya and Navi Nordas
• 31:03
  of Norway. Now further down the field, here
• 31:07
  is maybe where the race is also interesting because you've got
• 31:11
  Josh Howie, Cam Myers, Hobbs Kessler, Ollie Hoare.
• 31:14
  So there's all sorts of different dynamics going on.
• 31:16
  It's kind of like the Formula One, you know, on Drive to
• 31:19
  survive when they like follow those mid table team stories.
• 31:24
  What like when you watch the race you don't necessarily pick
• 31:26
  up on because you're thinking about who's on pole and Max
• 31:30
  versus bloody Lando or something and you don't realize that like
• 31:34
  Aston Martin are in a massive battle with Haas for 7th in the
• 31:38
  constructors. That's like what's going on with
• 31:42
  Josh Howey and Hobbs Kesler and Cam Myers and Ollie Hall because
• 31:47
  they're all competing for their inter country places on the
• 31:50
  teams. Does that result do Josh?
• 31:56
  Are we any good for making the final?
• 31:59
  I think he might be OK for the final anyway.
• 32:01
  So the Goose needed points for the final.
• 32:03
  So him winning is obviously good and you said you haven't seen
• 32:08
  it, but the way in which you won the race kind of went out.
• 32:11
  The pacer was like that quick and Ollie Hall went with him and
• 32:15
  he was literally the only one. The rest of the field, they
• 32:19
  maybe gap them by like 20 or 30 meters and the goose was in that
• 32:23
  chasing pack and like, OK, change of tactics.
• 32:26
  He's maybe learnt his lesson that just getting on the pace
• 32:30
  and getting past isn't working for him all the time.
• 32:33
  And then they like slow. Once the patent stepped off, it
• 32:36
  was just so obvious how like isolated Ollie Hall was.
• 32:40
  But you're thinking there's only one lap to go, maybe you can
• 32:42
  hold on. But they swallowed them up and
• 32:45
  he didn't like he didn't die straight away, settled into like
• 32:48
  third in the pack. And then obviously as they've
• 32:50
  ripped off the last bend, a few of them have just kicked down.
• 32:55
  But the the interesting thing is that Hobbs Kessler, his main
• 33:00
  race is the 1500, I think, isn't it?
• 33:03
  And he's just been beaten by Howie, whose main race is the
• 33:06
  800. So that doesn't look good for
• 33:08
  Kessler. Kessler hasn't qualified for
• 33:11
  Where else has he? No.
• 33:17
  That's yeah, wow. The the whole, this whole
• 33:19
  concept of getting a wild card in the final I think is really
• 33:22
  good for athletics. Like I just feel like like drama
• 33:25
  and excitement. I think Jake Smith might have
• 33:29
  mentioned it when you were chatting with him, right?
• 33:31
  Like just around the because British athletics and so with
• 33:35
  Australian athletics has a degree of subjectivity when it
• 33:37
  comes to selection. And like people run these times
• 33:42
  and like you when you finish some of these races and you
• 33:47
  think you've done enough, it's you only think you've done
• 33:49
  enough. There's no like pure joy
• 33:51
  crossing the finish line thinking you've qualified for
• 33:53
  something in based on the Australian and British selection
• 33:57
  policy. Whereas for the American racing,
• 34:02
  like whilst it may unfortunately leave some people out because
• 34:05
  they're unwell or injured just at the trials, people as soon as
• 34:09
  you cross the finish line, like it creates such drama and
• 34:12
  excitement to follow. And it means that people like as
• 34:15
  fans, you can really get excited for people.
• 34:18
  And so it's the same with like this Diamond League final.
• 34:20
  Like, it's not like the Diamond League final otherwise.
• 34:23
  Like, does it really otherwise crescendo much like, I don't
• 34:26
  know, it's sort of is it, how different is it to some of the
• 34:29
  other like Diamond League races where they're, well, pace?
• 34:31
  Like for me, I'm like maybe looking forward to Monaco just
• 34:34
  as much because, you know, it's notoriously quick.
• 34:37
  Whereas like with this sort of added element, like you're sort
• 34:39
  of watching those three American guys racing each other.
• 34:43
  Yeah, I don't know. I just find it quite exciting to
• 34:46
  watch, which I think it's a cool initiative.
• 34:48
  Yeah, it definitely helps like keep some interest there because
• 34:52
  if, if that Diamond League final wasn't a thing, then it'd
• 34:54
  probably just be a bit of a lull now until Tokyo, wouldn't it?
• 34:57
  But it just keeps that space there for a few more weeks and
• 35:01
  helps like kind of the way in which you kind of get to know
• 35:05
  people and find people who you like to support and equally
• 35:10
  dislike is I haven't like a storyline to follow and stuff,
• 35:15
  isn't it? So this just helps part of that.
• 35:18
  So like for example, with Ollie Hall, we know that kind of his
• 35:22
  space is up for grabs on the team.
• 35:24
  So then you're looking at that saying, did that do any do him
• 35:27
  any favours or did it do him any harm?
• 35:30
  Who's the competitors going up against for the space?
• 35:34
  Jude Thomas? When's he next racing and.
• 35:38
  The next Diamond League on Wednesday, is there a 1500 in
• 35:41
  that as well or a mile? Do we know?
• 35:43
  There, there is and the field or is it consists of Oh no, there's
• 35:50
  a 5000 meters and an 800 meters for the men.
• 35:54
  Is set in that 5K. Nah, but Jack Rayner and Jude
• 35:59
  Thomas are. So Jude has the 1500 standard,
• 36:03
  but is going is in this 5K, correct?
• 36:05
  Yeah. And at the moment, is Jude above
• 36:08
  Ollie or how does that work? It's like a selectors discretion
• 36:12
  trace. I'm not sure based on times
• 36:16
  who's ramp. I think Ollie's run faster.
• 36:18
  In fact, he ran a fast one early in the season.
• 36:21
  So for the 1500 Cam Myers is selected and is there someone
• 36:26
  else selected? Is Adam Spencer now who finished
• 36:29
  1-2 in the in Perth at that time?
• 36:35
  Yeah, I just remember Cam winning.
• 36:37
  I thought normally it's just if you win nationals and have the
• 36:39
  standard, I think that goes along and you, I think there's
• 36:42
  like some sort of caveat around you had to run a couple of
• 36:45
  domestic races or something like that, but I thought it was only
• 36:49
  the winner. It's not like British athletics
• 36:51
  where it's top two in some of those races.
• 36:53
  It's like top one, OK. Yeah, so on the road too, it's
• 36:56
  got Cam, Ollie and Jude. There's been like the three
• 36:59
  people in the quota. So, but that doesn't make sense.
• 37:02
  Why? Why it's so like up in the air
• 37:04
  over who's going to go, Ollie or Jude?
• 37:07
  So Adam Spencer isn't even there.
• 37:09
  He is he's, he's got the entry standard but he's down as like
• 37:11
  the fourth person for Australia at the minute.
• 37:16
  Either because he's he didn't. Win nationals this year, did he?
• 37:18
  No, but Cam didn't win either. Cam on the Oh no, he did didn't.
• 37:24
  He Cam won that. Yeah.
• 37:25
  And they didn't win the five case.
• 37:26
  Yeah, OK. But yeah, interesting
• 37:30
  nevertheless. So next race at the Diamond
• 37:33
  League was the women's 1500 meters, which was won by Gudaf
• 37:37
  Sagai in a solo run. Again, she won in 350 from
• 37:42
  Beatrice to Beth in a 354, and 3rd was Georgia Hunter Bell in
• 37:47
  356. Then you've got Nikki Hilts.
• 37:51
  Hey, Lou, Linden Hall, Sarah Healey, Sarah Billings, amongst
• 37:56
  others, obviously all throughout the rest of the field.
• 38:00
  So I think the guy was going for the world record again here.
• 38:05
  I think it's a 348 maybe and she split 800 meters in 159.
• 38:11
  So like when you think we think about the women's 800 meters, a
• 38:15
  lot of those girls, ladies are running one 58157.
• 38:20
  And so guys split 159 just a second or two slower and still
• 38:25
  had almost double the distance to still run.
• 38:28
  She's like a warrior, to be fair, isn't she?
• 38:30
  It's a guy who runs so angry. She like she's such an angry
• 38:34
  face when she's running. Yeah, I don't know what it is
• 38:38
  about F form. Is it maybe like how high she
• 38:41
  picks her knees up or something? But she just looks a little bit
• 38:44
  uncomfortable, obviously. Clearly bloody works.
• 38:48
  Absolutely. She's a machine.
• 38:50
  When you compare it to Kippy Aegon or Jess Hall, I was
• 38:53
  looking at those during the race and like Kippy Aegon's like just
• 38:56
  so tight and compact and just looks like ultra efficient.
• 38:59
  And Jess Hall's got like this sublime, like everything
• 39:03
  symmetrical about air stride like runs for her toes.
• 39:06
  That's the guys just like stomping around the place.
• 39:11
  She bet looks smooth as well, and she runs.
• 39:14
  Yes, it's Shabbat is the 5000 meter world record holder, I
• 39:18
  think, isn't she? So to put almost 5 seconds into
• 39:21
  her, I know it's completely different discipline like, but
• 39:26
  nevertheless. So that rounds off the Diamond
• 39:30
  League meets. Then there was a couple of meets
• 39:32
  throughout Europe during the week as paired this time of the
• 39:35
  year as well. So we'll quickly whiz through
• 39:37
  these. There was one in Sweden which we
• 39:39
  missed last week because it happened just after our
• 39:41
  recording to the Folk Slam Grand Prix.
• 39:44
  Solid tuner which Andreas Olmgren, the Swedish athlete.
• 39:49
  Fat European 5000 meter record holder.
• 39:52
  He won 3000 meters in 731, beating his own national record
• 39:57
  by three seconds. When I was having a look at
• 40:00
  this, he has the 6th fastest ever times by a Swede, so his
• 40:06
  national record isn't in doubt at the minute.
• 40:10
  Second was Seth O'Donnell from YouTube Diaries a few weeks ago.
• 40:15
  If you've tuned into previous episodes, you'll know that we're
• 40:18
  big fans of Seth. He ran 734.
• 40:21
  So that's important because Seth is over in Europe chasing the
• 40:26
  5000 meter standard. And I think this 734 shows that
• 40:32
  he's potentially not that he's going to do it, but that he's
• 40:36
  not going to be 1,000,000 miles off when he has a fair crack.
• 40:40
  Isn't it crazy his improvement over the last like 2 years?
• 40:45
  Like when I arrived in Australia in 2023, like I heard of him but
• 40:50
  like he wasn't like the top of the top.
• 40:53
  And now two years on, he's coming second by three seconds
• 40:57
  to arguably one of the best like runners in Europe if not the
• 41:02
  world. Andrews Algren.
• 41:03
  Like it's crazy what can happen in two years.
• 41:06
  So much of that time as well he's been sit well, seemingly
• 41:09
  from Instagram, like coaching himself.
• 41:12
  Because I remember he was, he was sponsored by Hoka and then
• 41:16
  he left them or got dropped or something happened there.
• 41:20
  And yeah, he's just been like, it's the credit to him.
• 41:24
  It's a lot of hard work. Well then he was with that
• 41:27
  brand. Who was it where he had to wear
• 41:29
  the the vest inside out? One running yeah, then.
• 41:33
  He was with them as well. Wasn't it?
• 41:34
  Yeah. And now he's like, and I got
• 41:36
  late living it up in Europe, living the dream.
• 41:39
  Then I'm pretty sure he did actually race at 5000 later in
• 41:42
  the week as well, but it was bizarrely like he won't it.
• 41:48
  It was in Finland. He won in 1318 and then second
• 41:53
  was 1340. Like what?
• 41:55
  Why is it doing them races? It doesn't make sense.
• 41:58
  This person who finished seventh round 1607 and Seth's, they're
• 42:02
  trying to chase the standards. But like, he's the type of
• 42:06
  person that could like pop out like a 13 low in a race like
• 42:10
  that. But like you say, we've just
• 42:12
  spoken about the 5000 entries for the Diamond League coming
• 42:15
  up, like Jack Rain and Dude Thomas have got one.
• 42:18
  Steph obviously can't get in and he's like a fucker.
• 42:21
  I'll do any race, like just get me on the start line and to run
• 42:25
  1318 by yourself. Like shit, I'll be scared to see
• 42:29
  what he did do if he's in one of these Diamond League races.
• 42:33
  But like, that's the thing I don't like sort of about like,
• 42:37
  running's a lot of politics, like fair play, like Jude Thomas
• 42:40
  is a top, top runner, but like, his season's best in the 5K is
• 42:44
  1328, where Seth has run faster than that.
• 42:48
  But yeah, Seth can't get in to like a Diamond League 5K where
• 42:52
  he probably could run a 13 low. It's like who you know, really,
• 42:57
  which isn't nice. I think did he run thirteen O 9
• 42:59
  or something like that on the indoors maybe?
• 43:02
  Jude Thomas But yeah, certainly helps who you're connected to.
• 43:06
  Yeah. This is very much theory and
• 43:09
  hypothetically speaking as well, but you wouldn't even be
• 43:11
  surprised if like the other athletes were almost not wanting
• 43:17
  Seth or whichever other example, it might be their competitors to
• 43:21
  get into these races because, well, I mean, it makes sense.
• 43:24
  It's certainly natural. Like if you've got a spot and
• 43:26
  someone else is trying to take that spot from you, you'd be
• 43:29
  glad if they weren't getting into good races.
• 43:31
  But when you look at it from the athlete who's wanting at least
• 43:35
  like an honest go at it, that's it seems like a little bit
• 43:38
  unfair, doesn't it? But that's where your profile
• 43:42
  and all that comes into it. Yeah, like, so Seth raced, you
• 43:46
  know, everyone was at Nationals in Perth, right?
• 43:49
  And he beat everyone. And now because of the way the
• 43:53
  rules are, he sort of needs to run a particular time and you
• 43:57
  sort of know there's limited opportunity to run that time.
• 44:00
  He's sort of head to The time is a bit rough, but
• 44:14
  yeah, it's not not not the fairest in that regard.
• 44:18
  The window closes a week today anyway, so let's see what what
• 44:23
  you can come up with between now and then.
• 44:25
  Gee whiz, SO1 is just one week to go 24th is it when it closes?
• 44:29
  Yeah. Squeaky bomb time.
• 44:32
  Yeah, I imagine a few people will be refreshing that road to
• 44:36
  Tokyo and start lists and stuff like that thinking, Oh no.
• 44:41
  So then there's meet in Hungary on Tuesday night as well, just
• 44:45
  1500 meters for the women, which is won by Georgia Griffith in
• 44:48
  the 358. Also on there was Erin Wallace
• 44:52
  of GB as she finished 10th, but she's around 401.1 which means
• 44:57
  she now has the standard. Also in the field was Rebei
• 45:02
  Walcott Nolan of GB and she ran 35989 to get the standard 2.
• 45:08
  So they're the women who finished third and 4th at
• 45:10
  nationals, which as we have discussed means they don't have
• 45:15
  an auto spot because to get an auto spot you need to be top 2
• 45:19
  and have the standard. But then kind of like the next
• 45:22
  set of criteria below that is if you have the standard, then
• 45:27
  they'll consider. So you would imagine now these
• 45:30
  girls are looking pretty good because they've got themselves
• 45:32
  the standard and finished third and 4th.
• 45:34
  There was a men's 800 meters. The guy who won was a Kenyan
• 45:38
  guy, Chep Quony in 14296. And importantly for Owen, his
• 45:43
  countrymen mark English stalwart, the man who's won
• 45:47
  nationals for a decade, run a national record.
• 45:51
  He's not slowing down. That's 40. 3.
• 45:55
  Yeah, that's fast. He's not young, this guy.
• 45:58
  He's no spring chicken. It's just his second name is
• 46:04
  terrible. It gets me every time.
• 46:08
  I know he is 32 like and he's running PVS in the 800 of all
• 46:13
  distances like he's never moved up.
• 46:15
  He's 800m runner like, but yeah, 143 like that's moving.
• 46:19
  He's getting up there. So we'll, I assume we'll be
• 46:22
  seeing him on the start line in Tokyo, Yeah.
• 46:25
  Absolutely. And another person who we might
• 46:28
  see as well because of this race is Ben Patterson, which you may
• 46:31
  be familiar with, the ginger British lad.
• 46:35
  I think he got a bronze medal at one of the major champs in the
• 46:38
  past couple of years. So he's run 1:44 to get the
• 46:42
  standard here. And that's interesting because
• 46:46
  he's ran, either he hasn't run much at all or he's ran like
• 46:49
  crap for prior to this. So to come and do that out the
• 46:53
  blue will be a big relief for him.
• 46:55
  So Mark English could be lining up against someone half his age
• 46:59
  in the heats of the world champs.
• 47:01
  Against the American kid. Yeah.
• 47:04
  That is notes in that. Could be his dad.
• 47:10
  There was a men's 3000 meters which was won by Kenyon Kipsang
• 47:14
  in 733. Also in this field was Darren
• 47:19
  Mcelhenney of Ireland 735.16, Jackson Sharp of Australia 73642
• 47:26
  and Stewie Mcswain. Sad to see back in 14th 743, I
• 47:34
  mean, you don't know what's going on, but Stewie kind of had
• 47:37
  that bit of a break, didn't he? And then kind of got back into
• 47:40
  training and chose to go back to Europe.
• 47:43
  So you're thinking, oh, maybe he's going to have like a bit of
• 47:45
  a a longer season or like a later season.
• 47:49
  And he just, he hasn't really, his results haven't really
• 47:51
  picked up from when he's first returned after training.
• 47:56
  Has he ever ran further down a 5K Stewie?
• 47:59
  Yeah. He's run the Great North half.
• 48:02
  I think that would probably be this far as he went.
• 48:04
  What did he run? Rally got tripped but.
• 48:08
  What did he run in the half? I don't think it went to plan.
• 48:12
  I think it may be 64 minutes, but like he, he was the former
• 48:16
  national record holder for the 10K Aussie record holder on
• 48:20
  track. So I think he's run, I think
• 48:23
  he's run in the 27 twenties for 10K, Yeah, I think he's one's
• 48:28
  that I picked before. So Ken, Ken, get it done over
• 48:33
  the longer distance. So I think Islands 5000 meter
• 48:36
  team Owen is made-up of Darren Mcelhenney, Cosgren and Brian
• 48:40
  Fay. Yeah, I don't know.
• 48:43
  Well wouldn't put a part past Andrew with doubling, but to be
• 48:47
  honest, he probably will double. He'll do the 5:15.
• 48:52
  Yeah, like that's like, then again, like they're so like
• 48:55
  you're sort of so far off them Kenyans and even the Americans
• 48:58
  being able to run like 1245, like a 13 minute 5K for them
• 49:02
  guys is like slow. Like you're 15 seconds slower
• 49:06
  than what you're able to run. So like, it's just a doddle, but
• 49:09
  it's good to have three going. But who?
• 49:12
  Which was in that Grand Slam brace?
• 49:15
  Which? Who was the Irishman that won
• 49:17
  one of those? Andrew Koskin.
• 49:19
  Yeah. And like so.
• 49:21
  So the hope is that it's tactical, right?
• 49:23
  Because then those guys come into the.
• 49:25
  Come into play, Yeah, because all them have serious kicks.
• 49:27
  Yeah, yeah. So that's the probably the the
• 49:30
  hope, same as like Cole Hawker, right?
• 49:32
  Like he's if it's running, if it's just 1240 sort of pace from
• 49:36
  the gun, he probably just, I don't know, be probably get
• 49:39
  squeezed out. But if it's 13 minutes,
• 49:42
  everyone's in a lot of trouble. And it could be even slower
• 49:45
  because it's meant to be really, really warm in Tokyo.
• 49:48
  So although lads are doing like heat training and all that sort
• 49:50
  of stuff. So I doubt it will be like super
• 49:53
  fast, especially if you've rounds like you want to conserve
• 49:56
  as much energy as possible. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:58
  And a few of those guys would be doubling either 15-5 or five 10.
• 50:02
  That's the lost stress on the body.
• 50:04
  Just the 10 is just a straight final isn't it?
• 50:06
  But for the five they have to do heats.
• 50:09
  I think back in the day they used to have heats in the 10K
• 50:11
  like I remember seeing some old YouTube clips but imagine that
• 50:15
  like running a 10K of the heats to get into the final.
• 50:21
  They would they would have been absolute like jogs for 5K
• 50:25
  wouldn't they? Moving on to the I feel like we
• 50:29
  have to mention this now when when he does it, but do plan to
• 50:32
  set a new world record in that myth as well. 6.29 winning by
• 50:38
  almost 30 seconds. We'll set another 100 grand
• 50:42
  richer. Yeah, Cha.
• 50:44
  Ching. Cheat code.
• 50:47
  So that's his third one of the year, I think.
• 50:49
  And when he's been asked about it, he said, like, I like a
• 50:52
  man's got to make a living. He is dead right?
• 50:56
  Yeah. You need to be careful around
• 50:58
  bringing work chat into this. But like part of your job is
• 51:01
  sort of reading rules and applying them and sort of, you
• 51:05
  know, he sort of has the rules available to him around this is
• 51:09
  the rule and this is the incentive he gets if he breaks,
• 51:12
  you know, the world record. So I don't know, I just think
• 51:17
  well played, right? There you go, you've you've
• 51:20
  found your pathway into the running industry for a career.
• 51:24
  You can be like a contract interpreter I.
• 51:28
  Think it's a pretty unique circumstance where someone can
• 51:31
  like long jump, just jump one centimetre further than the
• 51:34
  current world record. Like it's probably that or high
• 51:38
  jump that is the but you probably don't have the scope
• 51:42
  even in high jump. Like the pole vault is probably
• 51:44
  so unique that it's like every centimetre.
• 51:47
  Like you can sort of toggle unless they start moving it in
• 51:51
  millimetres in the high jump. That's probably what you need to
• 51:54
  advocate for if you're the best in the world.
• 51:57
  And the fact that you can, you literally just stop once you do
• 52:00
  it as well, that you could have jumps in hand and you're like,
• 52:03
  Nah, I'll save that to the next meet.
• 52:05
  Yeah. For reference to Mcswain ran
• 52:09
  6252 in 2021 in the Great Half. Didn't make it up.
• 52:19
  I think that's the running results done then.
• 52:22
  Fellas. Spent enough time in Europe.
• 52:24
  Tell us about what's been happening in Ireland and in
• 52:28
  Australia. So Monday, just the regular
• 52:33
  commutes. Oh no.
• 52:35
  So regular run into the office and then Monday night Hales and
• 52:39
  I actually went to have you heard of ABC conversations?
• 52:44
  Have you heard of come across that?
• 52:46
  No at all, No, it's like one of the, the Ogs, I suppose, in
• 52:50
  terms of podcasting. So like I think that they're
• 52:54
  sort of celebrating the I think it's hosted by Richard Fidler or
• 52:59
  he was like one of the founding hosts and they interview people
• 53:04
  for about an hour or so, like quite remarkable people.
• 53:08
  And it's, they're sort of, they were doing a bit of a a roadshow
• 53:12
  ABC conversations hosts were, and doing like a bit of a get to
• 53:16
  know the hosts and a bit of like a snapshot of the 20 years of of
• 53:21
  hosting these ABC conversations. So yeah, they basically
• 53:25
  interview people from all all different walks of life.
• 53:29
  And they're not necessarily completely sort of well versed
• 53:36
  at podcasting, but they have really interesting stories to
• 53:39
  tell. So they're quite extraordinary
• 53:41
  people that otherwise maybe wouldn't necessarily get their
• 53:44
  stories heard. And as, and they sort of touched
• 53:47
  on some great examples of that and they brought up like like a
• 53:51
  story that I really enjoyed, like Peter Bell, who he's
• 53:55
  originally from South Korean. He was adopted by some
• 53:57
  Australian parent, he by his Australian parents when they
• 54:01
  were doing like a missionary trip.
• 54:03
  And he came back and grew up in in Perth and went on to become
• 54:09
  one of like the most sort of decorated Fremantle Docker AFL
• 54:13
  players. He's now like AI think a lawyer
• 54:15
  by trade. And he's a breakfast radio host,
• 54:18
  but has quite an interesting story.
• 54:19
  And you sort of a bit like even like the Jake Smith interview,
• 54:22
  you go in sort of thinking the conversation might be about race
• 54:26
  performance and you learn all these really amazing things
• 54:28
  about someone. And I think I'm sort of just
• 54:30
  going through some of that sort of stuff.
• 54:31
  So it was really cool. Anyway, So what that meant was I
• 54:34
  just did a quick 20 minute run after work before heading to
• 54:37
  there and a few strides my sort of pelvis or my like sports
• 54:46
  hernia sort of was not aggravating things too much.
• 54:50
  It was maybe like a one out of 10, which I was pretty happy
• 54:52
  with. Tuesday I ran into the office
• 54:54
  and then I went to the track and then because I sort of deloaded
• 54:57
  a bit and I've done a couple of sharper workouts.
• 54:59
  I didn't realize till I got there, but we had these
• 55:02
  quarters. So you do a 2K threshold to
• 55:05
  begin with, which was a bit slower than what I normally
• 55:09
  would do it in. Yeah, threshold.
• 55:11
  I was going to say a threshold or being dragged around by some
• 55:15
  of the faster voice. So, so Max was starting his
• 55:19
  first week at EY. So he, he wasn't, wasn't there,
• 55:24
  but Luke was there. And Luke I think must have done
• 55:27
  it in about 6 minutes. He was 100 meters ahead of me.
• 55:30
  And then I maybe I normally do it in 6-10, but I was with a bit
• 55:34
  of a group and sort of knew what was to come.
• 55:37
  So I don't know if you're quite calling it sandbagging, but I
• 55:39
  probably didn't quite go as hard.
• 55:42
  So 618 for my threshold. So probably thereabouts.
• 55:46
  What are you? Yeah, sort of three or 9 pace,
• 55:49
  but. It's weird, isn't it?
• 55:50
  If that was on a concrete path, it probably feels like legit
• 55:53
  threshold because it's on the track.
• 55:55
  You probably felt like you're jogging.
• 55:57
  There was about 8 or 10 of us all in a group and it just felt
• 56:00
  like I was yeah, tripping over feet because you sort of feel
• 56:03
  like you're cruising. Yeah, jog lap.
• 56:06
  And then it was Deke's quarters. So Deke's quarters is for those
• 56:10
  unaware, is 8 by 400 meters at your sort of VO2 pace.
• 56:15
  If you can with a 200 meter float and the float itself, you
• 56:19
  can sort of lean a bit into the float, like you don't have to
• 56:22
  sort of back off. And it's a continuous 4.8 K run.
• 56:26
  And people sometimes sort of suggest is a reasonable
• 56:29
  predictor of a 5K. So whilst you're running 200
• 56:32
  meters less, you might get a good insight into a 5K fitness
• 56:35
  is at. I love the way you say you can
• 56:38
  lean into the 200 float as if most people are going to be
• 56:41
  choosing to run harder during their like inadvertent commerce
• 56:44
  recovery. Like people wouldn't be more
• 56:47
  inclined to lean out of that float.
• 56:51
  I suppose, I suppose for me at the track, if I have an
• 56:55
  opportunity where there's a active recovery versus a static
• 56:58
  recovery, I'll try and keep those recoveries on us to stop
• 57:02
  the young guys from going too hard on the efforts by default,
• 57:06
  just because I'm biased towards, you know, being a bit slower and
• 57:09
  older. But but yeah, I the hip was
• 57:14
  fine. Like I could feel it a little
• 57:15
  bit, but it didn't feel too bad. And I think that's might, might
• 57:19
  be I did 1418 for Deke. So Luke got away from me for a
• 57:23
  little bit of it and I wheeled him back in and then got a
• 57:26
  little bit away from him late. But yeah, I sort of went around
• 57:30
  probably 69 seconds for the 400 meters and 38 seconds for the
• 57:35
  200 meter float. So say 255 pace for the on, 305
• 57:41
  pace for the off or thereabouts. Shit, 1418 and so even like the
• 57:46
  workout all up is 4800 meters, isn't it?
• 57:49
  Yeah. So like even if you just
• 57:51
  finished off that last 200 meters in 35, which would have
• 57:55
  been like just not going for it massively but not backing off
• 57:59
  completely, what you're going to run there 1443 or something?
• 58:05
  Yeah, yeah. Is it 18304050535353?
• 58:12
  Yeah. So yeah, not, not too bad.
• 58:15
  Like yeah, I felt all right. Look, that's the best I've, I've
• 58:18
  done a few in the 1420s before, but to be honest, that was a
• 58:22
  while ago. So I was pretty happy, happy
• 58:24
  with that. And it wasn't like wasn't
• 58:27
  completely on my haunches, which is, which is good.
• 58:31
  But that was probably about as good as it got like cooled down
• 58:33
  after that. Could feel it a bit.
• 58:35
  But then on Wednesday I was pretty sore and sort of felt
• 58:38
  like I'd gone backwards a bit when I saw the physio and yeah,
• 58:43
  it was sort of maybe like jogging on it two to three out
• 58:46
  of 10 on Wednesday. And then on Thursday I had the
• 58:50
  double threshold, so morning threshold, which I did from
• 58:53
  home. I got it done, but it was
• 58:57
  probably like 2 to 3 out of 10 pain in the morning.
• 59:00
  And then I had in the afternoon it was just three by 8 minutes
• 59:03
  at that sort of, you know, yeah, LT1 type intensity, running a
• 59:08
  bit to feel more than heart rate.
• 59:10
  I think I lost my heart rate monitor during the week or
• 59:12
  misplaced it. And then the afternoon I had
• 59:14
  four by one minute on 4 by sorry, 5 by 4 minutes at
• 59:19
  threshold, one minute float and I was pretty Hanford.
• 59:21
  I just couldn't quite, it was sort of hurting.
• 59:24
  So I couldn't really, I felt good, but I couldn't really get,
• 59:29
  I couldn't, yeah, I just couldn't really push.
• 59:30
  It was just hurting too much and ended up only doing 4, which I
• 59:33
  was a bit annoyed about, but it was what it was.
• 59:37
  Friday just my 2 commutes and then Saturday was 3 by 45
• 59:44
  seconds quicker. 15 second flow no 45 seconds on off times, 3
• 59:49
  into 2 by 15 minutes at threshold slash tempo the 2 1/2
• 59:54
  minute float and then another 3 by 45 seconds and I
• 59:57
  intentionally just took the 45 seconds.
• 59:59
  Pretty comfy. Where was this one?
• 1:00:03
  Just around Lake Munger, so just a flat, flat, sort of.
• 1:00:06
  It's more of like a threshold workout than a tempo workout on
• 1:00:09
  the Saturday. And this is probably a really
• 1:00:12
  stupid question, So what is the difference between tempo and
• 1:00:16
  threshold? Is tempo faster?
• 1:00:19
  When we no, so when we talk about it or when we when it's
• 1:00:23
  used in training because I think it depends on the group perhaps,
• 1:00:26
  but we'll say tempo is like 7 out of 10 and then threshold is
• 1:00:30
  8 out of 10 I suppose. So tempo is sort of that it's
• 1:00:34
  often around like marathon pace or marathon effort for me, I
• 1:00:37
  suppose. So you know, like when we're
• 1:00:40
  doing those continuous efforts in Kings Park, like I would say
• 1:00:43
  when we're not sort of leaning right into them or even like
• 1:00:45
  when we used to do say those 40 minute continuous runs around
• 1:00:48
  Kings Park, you're not quite getting up to what you would on
• 1:00:53
  the Thursday. On those Thursday workouts,
• 1:00:55
  we're doing 8 by AK or like this four and four minutes on, one
• 1:01:00
  minute off. You're sort of getting up to
• 1:01:02
  that Lt. 2 or maybe slightly above clearing lat tape going
• 1:01:05
  again, whereas those continuous runs at 7 out of 10.
• 1:01:08
  So the tempo effort, we refer to it as.
• 1:01:11
  Take a comfy hand. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:15
  So I tried to sort of sit around that for the Tempo Saturday
• 1:01:19
  tempo run, but yeah, again, I was just really, I was just
• 1:01:23
  really quite sore, which is annoying.
• 1:01:26
  There's probably like four or five out of 10.
• 1:01:27
  So I was like, this is fucking heading backwards, this thing.
• 1:01:30
  You know when you seen the physio on was it Wednesday you
• 1:01:33
  said what sort of guidance did you get from them about the rest
• 1:01:36
  of your week and stuff? We just sort of agreed that
• 1:01:39
  because the last time it flared up was Saturday doing the hills
• 1:01:42
  on the downhill. So we're like we'll stay away
• 1:01:44
  from that. And then I was still pretty
• 1:01:46
  encouraged by how everything went Monday, Sunday, Monday,
• 1:01:49
  Tuesday. Like I did 2 hours last Sunday
• 1:01:50
  it didn't really hurt and then Tuesday I'd just whacked a good
• 1:01:53
  workout. So I think I was just hoping and
• 1:01:55
  I'm like, I'm a bit sore, but I'm hoping it's going to now
• 1:01:57
  settle down on Thursday and just didn't quite settle down.
• 1:02:01
  Like it was just everything was trending in a good direction
• 1:02:03
  until it, it wasn't on Thursday and it just was sore and it was
• 1:02:09
  still sore yesterday. Like it's a little bit sore
• 1:02:12
  today, but it's the jogging doesn't seem to hurt anywhere
• 1:02:17
  near the sort of, you know, higher intensity stuff.
• 1:02:19
  So yeah, I did 2 hours 15 today, like 30 KS.
• 1:02:25
  And to be honest, it wouldn't have been more than like 1 to 1
• 1:02:28
  1/2 out of 10 pain. So like pretty aware of it but
• 1:02:32
  nothing too bad. I think the problem was on
• 1:02:35
  Thursday and Saturday 1 was like you're doing like an hour worth
• 1:02:39
  of running like of intervals. Like you do half an hour of
• 1:02:43
  intervals in the morning and then you're doing maybe 25 to 30
• 1:02:46
  minutes of intervals again in the afternoon.
• 1:02:48
  So it's just a lot. And then it just didn't calm
• 1:02:51
  down by like Saturday and Saturday it's like 40 minutes
• 1:02:53
  worth of intervals. So it's sort of for 1015 minutes
• 1:02:56
  is fine, but then it just gets worse.
• 1:02:58
  And it's sort of my pubic bone that's causing a bit of the
• 1:03:00
  discomfort now. So it's sort of the whole area
• 1:03:04
  is a bit irritated I think. So the plan now sort of be just
• 1:03:08
  to back off a bit of the intensity because it's certainly
• 1:03:11
  it's not liking it. And so I'll just probably stick
• 1:03:13
  to jogging and steady running for a little.
• 1:03:15
  Bit yeah, I was going to say like, would you better off sort
• 1:03:18
  of like taking, let's say, a down two weeks because obviously
• 1:03:22
  you're going to start building now soon for Valencia.
• 1:03:25
  It's just like knocking this on the head, getting it better and
• 1:03:28
  then doing a big build because you don't really want to be
• 1:03:31
  doing a build when any bit of intensity is sort of like just
• 1:03:35
  aggravating it that little bit. Yeah, I think if I was at the
• 1:03:37
  end of a build, I'd find just a way to manage it, but right now
• 1:03:40
  that probably doesn't make a lot of sense to push it.
• 1:03:42
  So if I can keep jogging and maybe I'll see how it goes
• 1:03:46
  Tuesday, if steady running feels all right, then I'll just sort
• 1:03:49
  of stick to the areas where I feel like it's trending
• 1:03:53
  positively and it just avoid some of the hardest stuff.
• 1:03:56
  So we'll see how we'll see where I'm at come Saturday, I think.
• 1:04:00
  But yeah, certainly no. Or maybe even Thursday, but
• 1:04:03
  certainly no track on the Tuesday.
• 1:04:04
  I'll just do it if I can do a steady run and see how it see
• 1:04:08
  how I feel, yeah. And down two weeks could do you
• 1:04:12
  the world of good. It could I love, I love
• 1:04:16
  downtime. So I'm excited for for that.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah, as much as you don't want to drop volume and intensity,
• 1:04:23
  the last thing you want to be doing is sat here in October or
• 1:04:26
  November and saying like, yeah, it was a 2 out of 10, three out
• 1:04:28
  of 10. Like you just want to fix it
• 1:04:31
  completely now. If it's two out of 10.
• 1:04:33
  Someone who's fucking 14 weeks into a down period.
• 1:04:37
  No, that's right. Like, yeah, I'll ignore niggles,
• 1:04:41
  but when it gets sort of beyond the niggle, you sort of got to
• 1:04:43
  take it, take it a bit serious. I think so.
• 1:04:46
  And. What would the if like you
• 1:04:48
  wanted to escalate it? Would you get it scanned or like
• 1:04:50
  what would that process look like?
• 1:04:52
  Yeah. So I think if it's still bugging
• 1:04:54
  me, I'll go get a scan and then we can go from there.
• 1:04:57
  I think is the way forward. But we'll see.
• 1:05:00
  We'll see how it goes. It's sort of not the first time
• 1:05:02
  I felt this pain. It's just the worst it's been.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, like a scan takes the guesswork out of it.
• 1:05:08
  Like, yeah, you'll know what the issue is.
• 1:05:10
  So that might. Be.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah, yeah. The only issue is like, so when
• 1:05:14
  I was chatting to Steve about it, he's basically like 80% of
• 1:05:17
  sports hernias won't appear on a scan.
• 1:05:20
  So I've got a scan on this before and nothing showed up.
• 1:05:23
  And so then I'm like beauty. And then I just went back to
• 1:05:26
  training. And so unfortunately I settled.
• 1:05:30
  She's a beauty. I love that scan.
• 1:05:33
  And then so I was like, all right, fine.
• 1:05:36
  Little did I know I hadn't seen Steve.
• 1:05:38
  I just got the findings from the sports doc And then I was like,
• 1:05:40
  well, that's all I need to know. It's not a problem, It's
• 1:05:43
  placebo. And off I ran.
• 1:05:45
  Little did I know is probably the pain was maybe more real
• 1:05:48
  than what I gave it credit for. So I can get a scam potentially
• 1:05:51
  given it's quite, it's worth the worst it's been.
• 1:05:56
  But yeah, that would be what I do, albeit I think I sort of
• 1:05:59
  know two things, like there's certain tests.
• 1:06:02
  So every time I see Steve, he'll go through like a series of
• 1:06:06
  functional tests. And there's a couple of tests in
• 1:06:08
  particular that really aggravate the injury, the main injury.
• 1:06:13
  And then there's another test you'll do, which is like you're
• 1:06:15
  like testing your pubic bone or testing for like pubic
• 1:06:19
  synthesis. And that's that's registering a
• 1:06:22
  positive result as well, which is not ideal.
• 1:06:25
  So there's sort of, I think I've got a bit of a grasp as to what
• 1:06:29
  my 2 problems are and what are the two pieces of pain I need to
• 1:06:34
  not let get out of control. Like I have an idea of what
• 1:06:37
  doesn't feel right. And if it continues to get hot
• 1:06:41
  like worse as I'm running, I think that's probably something
• 1:06:45
  like I shouldn't ignore, but the hope is it's an acute flare up
• 1:06:48
  that'll settle down. I think if I keep running on it,
• 1:06:51
  I'm probably going to make it worse, and then I'm probably in
• 1:06:54
  a bit of trouble at some point. Good, because like coming on
• 1:06:57
  here and talking about your week and your pain thresholds and
• 1:07:00
  stuff forces you to reflect on like how it actually feels,
• 1:07:03
  doesn't it? Because like, you can lie to
• 1:07:05
  yourself whilst you're out running or after training being
• 1:07:07
  like, no, it's not as bad as whatever, but but then when you
• 1:07:11
  come to actually say it out loud, you feel guilty if you're
• 1:07:15
  like physically lying to yourself knowingly, don't you?
• 1:07:18
  So it's a good little tool for that.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, definitely. You're just talking through your
• 1:07:23
  training week, generally talking through the choices you make.
• 1:07:27
  It sort of forces you to be accountable, but again, you sort
• 1:07:31
  of don't want to. It's hard, right?
• 1:07:32
  You don't want to overreact, but yet at the same time you've got
• 1:07:35
  to do the right thing as well. But yeah, Congrats, your week
• 1:07:37
  was good enough for 5th on the easy double straw of a club
• 1:07:40
  leaderboard. How many calendars?
• 1:07:43
  145, Right? Well, let's start my week.
• 1:07:50
  So my week started after that turn.
• 1:07:53
  Training log. Yeah, I'm prepared this week.
• 1:07:59
  My week started after A30K long run on the Sunday.
• 1:08:03
  So Monday morning I got out for 40 minutes and then I done 10/10
• 1:08:08
  seconds strides after, which felt all right.
• 1:08:11
  And then during work I had my 30 minute nap.
• 1:08:16
  And then it's like a sensory room.
• 1:08:20
  So it's got all these like really cool toys and I don't
• 1:08:25
  like, you know, it's just got like like wobble board and then
• 1:08:29
  like a therapy couch. So I just like showing the
• 1:08:31
  therapy couch. Sounds like you.
• 1:08:33
  Work for like a company out of the future or something?
• 1:08:36
  And then the room, the annoying thing is the room beside it,
• 1:08:39
  there's like a pool table and a ping pong table.
• 1:08:42
  So I put my I have to put my earplugs in, so I just block
• 1:08:45
  them out. But then the evening run was a
• 1:08:52
  40 minute run and I made a big mistake of not fueling
• 1:08:58
  correctly. So after the so big Sunday and
• 1:09:03
  like the running the Monday morning, I should have like
• 1:09:06
  loaded. But yeah, I think I had for
• 1:09:09
  lunch a slice of bread and like 3 eggs and that just.
• 1:09:13
  And then I had like 2 rice cakes at like 3:00 and then I'd run at
• 1:09:18
  like 6. So yeah, that just didn't cut
• 1:09:20
  it. And I think I made it like 15
• 1:09:23
  minutes through the run and I felt like light headed and weak
• 1:09:28
  and I just wasn't enjoyable. I felt so, so bad.
• 1:09:32
  So luckily I passed the one shop in my area.
• 1:09:36
  So I went in, asked for two Jelly snakes and sort of made my
• 1:09:41
  way home because like I want to be closer to home if I do like
• 1:09:46
  totally like cave. But no, the Jelly snakes got me
• 1:09:49
  through it. I sort of got that sugar rush.
• 1:09:51
  And yeah, that was another 8K for the Monday evening.
• 1:09:55
  But I've learned a valuable lesson to eat food.
• 1:09:59
  Did you did you need to pay for the lolly snakes or were they
• 1:10:02
  they were on the House or how did that work?
• 1:10:04
  I'm tight. What was that?
• 1:10:05
  It was $0.50 each, so a euro for two of them.
• 1:10:11
  Big long Jelly snakes. Killer Pythons does.
• 1:10:14
  That translate? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:16
  Inflation is crazy. And what would they used to been
• 1:10:19
  like $0.10 back in the day? It'd.
• 1:10:21
  Be like 1015 cent. Yeah, huh.
• 1:10:24
  It's terrible. So this is the Fred hers, they
• 1:10:28
  used to have like printed 20P on the packet I think it was and
• 1:10:31
  now they're like a quid or something.
• 1:10:33
  I know they're a quid under half the size.
• 1:10:36
  It's terrible. Irish inflation got out of
• 1:10:39
  control at one period of time, didn't it?
• 1:10:41
  Or was it the the opposite? No guys, Ireland is possibly the
• 1:10:45
  most expensive country in Europe.
• 1:10:46
  Like you actually don't realize until you get out of the place
• 1:10:49
  of how expensive it is. It's crazy.
• 1:10:51
  The shoes sound awful. Pardon.
• 1:10:54
  Shoe prices sound awful. Pair of super shoes pair like
• 1:10:57
  alpha flies could be €310 which is quick Marts 553 Australian
• 1:11:07
  dollars yeah so if any is our planned trip back to Europe I'll
• 1:11:13
  put. In the shopping for context for
• 1:11:16
  the European based listeners, a pair of vapor flies at what 330
• 1:11:21
  Aussie dollars and all flies 370 I think full price.
• 1:11:25
  I think are off flies 370 I think.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah, Anyway, shoes are a rob. That's why I'm sort of a Nike
• 1:11:34
  kid now because close to me is a Nike outlet.
• 1:11:37
  Well, not close to me. It's a 40 minute drive but so I
• 1:11:39
  just pick up all the old shoes there.
• 1:11:42
  Do they even get because I know they're Nike outlet by mine.
• 1:11:46
  It would never ever get like vape flies outflies in.
• 1:11:49
  No, no, for a reason. That's why I don't have any
• 1:11:51
  racing shoes. I'd have to like cash out and
• 1:11:55
  like spend 300 odd euro on a pair of like ASIC, Medispeed,
• 1:12:00
  Paris or Tokyo, whatever you call them.
• 1:12:02
  So yeah, Tuesday was a double threshold day.
• 1:12:07
  So in the morning I had 4 by 7 minutes off a 3 minute jog.
• 1:12:13
  So the reps were I don't just an average pace per kilometer.
• 1:12:17
  Rep one was 320, Rep 2 was 3/24, Rep 3 was 3/19 and Rep 4 was
• 1:12:23
  318. So yeah, super controlled,
• 1:12:26
  feeling good. And I actually done my lactate
• 1:12:28
  as well. So after Rep two it was 1.5
• 1:12:32
  millimole and after Rep four it was 0.9 millimole.
• 1:12:36
  So yeah, clearing the lactate, feeling good.
• 1:12:41
  Then that evening I had 7 by 3 minutes off one minute jog.
• 1:12:47
  So I done this around an area beside me.
• 1:12:50
  It's sort of like a 1 kilometer like gravel loop.
• 1:12:53
  It's pretty windy area and there is like you go down a hill at
• 1:12:56
  the star and then you go up a hill at the end.
• 1:12:59
  So not flat either, but the average pace per kilometer was
• 1:13:03
  308-309-3063 eleven three O 830-6307.
• 1:13:10
  So yeah. And I've done the lactates as
• 1:13:12
  well after this. So after Rep three it was 5.5
• 1:13:16
  millimole, so pretty a little bit high.
• 1:13:18
  And after Rep seven it was 5.1 millimole.
• 1:13:21
  So like you could put that down to like after that Tuesday
• 1:13:26
  session, I had the guts of like 80 kilometers in the legs
• 1:13:29
  between Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
• 1:13:31
  So like the legs were pretty beat up and like it was windy,
• 1:13:36
  it was hilly. So that's the excuse I'm giving
• 1:13:38
  for like a little bit high of a lactate.
• 1:13:41
  But All in all, like the reps felt good, which is like the
• 1:13:45
  feeling, which is the main thing.
• 1:13:47
  So I wasn't too worried about the high lactate.
• 1:13:51
  Then Wednesday I got out for like a 75 minute run, just 16
• 1:13:55
  kilometers, just crazy, just trying to flush out the legs.
• 1:13:59
  And then in the night circuits and in the circus class, I did
• 1:14:03
  feel tired, like the load is sort of taking its toll.
• 1:14:06
  And with the race on Saturday, like I didn't really have that.
• 1:14:10
  Like I just had Thursday, Friday to sort of like get myself
• 1:14:13
  together. So Thursday I took totally off
• 1:14:15
  just to try and recuperate and then Friday I did I jogged down
• 1:14:22
  to my local gravel track and I done just to jog down was like
• 1:14:26
  15 minutes, let's say. And then I done 24 by 200 in my
• 1:14:32
  race shoe of choice, which was the night alpha fly next percent
• 1:14:36
  and doing the strides. They felt pretty good, but doing
• 1:14:41
  200 meter strides in them is completely different to running
• 1:14:45
  16 kilometers in them. But yeah, felt good.
• 1:14:52
  And then Saturday morning comes along, race day, so good up at I
• 1:14:56
  think 5:45, get a bit of food into me.
• 1:14:59
  Then I drive to my coach's house at bicarb there actually the fly
• 1:15:04
  carb from I think they're a brand based in England.
• 1:15:08
  So they do. It's a very similar to the
• 1:15:11
  Morton one, but I think a while back I ordered 6 packets and
• 1:15:16
  I've just been going through them and for all my races and
• 1:15:20
  like I really, really do feel the benefit of it.
• 1:15:24
  Like they just, I don't know, I feel like my legs just that bit
• 1:15:27
  more resilient and like the lactic doesn't really build up
• 1:15:30
  that much. So like that's like a staple now
• 1:15:34
  in my pre race routine like 2 hours before I am take it.
• 1:15:38
  And that's the one where you get 2 sachets and then you mix them,
• 1:15:43
  mix them together. So once what, 1's like a carb, a
• 1:15:46
  hot like a mix of yeah. What are the two products?
• 1:15:49
  Yeah, 1 is like a super mix or something like that.
• 1:15:52
  So you put that in first and it's got like a measurement on
• 1:15:55
  the packet. So after the packet is empty,
• 1:15:58
  then you like put or like 60 mil worth of water into the packet.
• 1:16:03
  So then you have your measurements.
• 1:16:04
  So then you put that in, you mix it up, then you actually put the
• 1:16:06
  bike carb mix in on top of that, then mix it up.
• 1:16:09
  And the first time I took it I was like, Oh my God, this is
• 1:16:13
  like the worst tasting thing ever.
• 1:16:14
  But you actually get used to it. So for the last two times, like
• 1:16:17
  it actually goes down pretty easy.
• 1:16:19
  Like the first time, yeah, it is pretty shit.
• 1:16:21
  But like you get used to it. And I think they've loaded some
• 1:16:23
  flavors now. They like a mango flavor and all
• 1:16:25
  that sort of stuff. So and.
• 1:16:27
  You take it what, 2 hours before I think?
• 1:16:29
  Two hours before the race, yeah. So it's well done digested.
• 1:16:35
  And your GI distress, like I know, like I remember hearing
• 1:16:38
  Jake talk about it on the on the interview just about how he had
• 1:16:43
  to go to the bathroom. Then you might have mentioned
• 1:16:45
  like 4 times before the race or whatever.
• 1:16:47
  But you've you've you've found it not to be too bad.
• 1:16:50
  I've never had any issues and like just to be safe, like I
• 1:16:52
  took it in a training session like before I took it in my
• 1:16:57
  first race and yeah, no issues whatsoever.
• 1:17:00
  So yeah, it's just like another little one or two percenter that
• 1:17:05
  you can take into your own hands and do it.
• 1:17:07
  And so yeah, then I done my warm up.
• 1:17:10
  I'm within the warm up. I done 2 minute threshold, one
• 1:17:14
  minute off, 2 minute threshold at around three O 8 and yeah,
• 1:17:19
  felt really good. Then just on the line, I took a
• 1:17:22
  Bix and 40 gram caffeine gel just for that little extra help
• 1:17:27
  again. And yeah, the race started and
• 1:17:30
  very quickly there was 2 lads that are really, really good
• 1:17:36
  runners and they sort of went out.
• 1:17:37
  They're going to run like 49 or something like that for the 16
• 1:17:40
  kilometers, 10 miles. And I was like literally going
• 1:17:44
  to go with them but then go on. What?
• 1:17:48
  What pace is for 49? What?
• 1:17:50
  What does that work out at? So 48 was it 48 would be 3 on
• 1:17:56
  the nose, right? So and then you've got another
• 1:17:58
  16, so 33048. So like 3O33O3 per K.
• 1:18:03
  Does that sound about right? Three O 3, so the lad who won it
• 1:18:06
  and the first half was three O 3 and his second-half was three O
• 1:18:11
  2 per kilometer. Yeah, well.
• 1:18:13
  So yeah, and he was hopping along his name.
• 1:18:17
  So actually the winner was Pierre Merchant, who ran 49-O2.
• 1:18:22
  Then it was Hugh Armstrong who ran 4945 and 3rd was Stephen
• 1:18:27
  McCauley who ran 5055. So yeah, after the first like
• 1:18:34
  kilometer, they sort of broke away.
• 1:18:36
  And I was like, so I was in the second group, there's three of
• 1:18:39
  us and I was going to go with them.
• 1:18:41
  And I was looking to my side to see if your mom was going to go
• 1:18:45
  with me. And I was like, oh, what's your
• 1:18:46
  plan? And he was like, no, don't go
• 1:18:47
  with them, they're going to run 49 low.
• 1:18:50
  So yeah, we just went off by ourselves and it was just me and
• 1:18:54
  the sort of lad sort of like pushed on a little bit.
• 1:18:56
  So the first I'll get some of the splits here.
• 1:19:00
  You know, I was saying to you offline before seeing someone's
• 1:19:04
  page from the race because they came up on like the Discover or
• 1:19:07
  something. I think it was that Stephen
• 1:19:09
  McCauley who you just said and in his bio, I think he's got his
• 1:19:13
  PB. It's like 5 KPB of 1455 or
• 1:19:16
  something. Yeah.
• 1:19:18
  Should have had them. Which, yeah, makes me feel shit
• 1:19:20
  about myself. Thanks.
• 1:19:24
  But yeah, so the first bit is sort of downhill.
• 1:19:26
  So I was like 305304301309 and then you have a pinch.
• 1:19:33
  It went 3-15, then back downhill 3:05.
• 1:19:37
  And then I went uphill again. Three 16314 halfway and then I
• 1:19:42
  sort of plateaued a bit. SO3O83O8 more uphills 313 three
• 1:19:47
  16314 three 18 and at this stage, so for the first half, it
• 1:19:52
  was me and the guy who came 4th. So we are running together.
• 1:19:55
  I think it's Jake, Jake Reagan, Jake Oregon.
• 1:20:00
  So yeah, we're sort of sharing the lead.
• 1:20:02
  And then that Steve Magali guy came from nowhere behind us and
• 1:20:06
  he joined the pack and he sort of took us, took the lead.
• 1:20:09
  So he was dragging us along and he was sort of pushing from the
• 1:20:13
  front. And then with, I say like 2K, 2
• 1:20:17
  1/2 K to go, there was a water station.
• 1:20:19
  And all right, you might be thinking I'm joking about the
• 1:20:22
  weather, but it was actually really warm, like the humidity.
• 1:20:24
  It's really, really humid in Ireland, which is unusual.
• 1:20:28
  What's the what's the weather like in terms of temperature, do
• 1:20:31
  you know? And I should have wait.
• 1:20:34
  Can I find it? I'll look up Dublin weather
• 1:20:40
  yesterday. Because, you know, like, you
• 1:20:43
  know, we talk about temperature plus dew point temperature.
• 1:20:46
  Yeah. So if you're like relative
• 1:20:48
  humidity is like 100% and the air temperature is say 20, then
• 1:20:53
  your dew point temperature is going to be 20.
• 1:20:56
  Like that's not a good, that's pretty awful weather to be
• 1:21:00
  running in. So if you're, if you're running
• 1:21:02
  in, even if it's only 20°, but it's like very humid, that's,
• 1:21:07
  that has an impact on performance.
• 1:21:09
  Like you sort of anything north of 20 is meant to like if you
• 1:21:13
  add the 2 numbers together. So like, let's say it's 10° and
• 1:21:16
  very humid, then you, you should be, it shouldn't be a factor.
• 1:21:20
  But once you start getting above that, if it's very humid, it's
• 1:21:23
  gonna slow you down. Where is there any good weather
• 1:21:27
  apps that I can actually AccuWeather?
• 1:21:30
  Maybe that's a good one. Sorry with this.
• 1:21:33
  So whilst you getting it off, what shoes did you go for?
• 1:21:37
  Because I know that was, Oh, you went to the alpha ones?
• 1:21:39
  Didn't you? I went through the Alpha Flight
• 1:21:40
  ones, Yeah. And do I regret it?
• 1:21:44
  Sort of, But I had no other option.
• 1:21:48
  So what time of day were you running was it?
• 1:21:50
  Was starting 9:00 Saturday morning.
• 1:21:54
  Yeah, yeah. It's probably like 20° based on
• 1:21:57
  like today it's saying it's between 19 to 25° during the
• 1:22:00
  day. Yeah, if it's probably Yeah, it
• 1:22:03
  was just there was more sun yesterday.
• 1:22:06
  So today it's saying the side I'm on warm and humid with the
• 1:22:10
  highest temperatures of 19 to 25°.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah. Do you need to get that wry
• 1:22:15
  smile off your face? Sorry, but that's why.
• 1:22:20
  No, no, no, no. It's funny when you're talking
• 1:22:26
  like so, so Perth people need to deal with suboptimal weather for
• 1:22:33
  like 80% of the year, right? This is one of the few times
• 1:22:36
  where in Perth it's actually not having a limiter on performance,
• 1:22:41
  but for most of it, it sort of does.
• 1:22:42
  And so you, you can, and you would have felt this Owen when
• 1:22:45
  you were here, right? Like you can actually be in
• 1:22:48
  decent shape, but if the weather, if you're running a, a
• 1:22:50
  distance race in that weather, you actually don't get to fully
• 1:22:53
  see your how fit you are. And that's what happens in Perth
• 1:22:58
  all the time. It's just unusual right?
• 1:23:00
  Where like you would often, it would still normally be
• 1:23:03
  reasonably cool come 9:00 AM in Ireland, right?
• 1:23:07
  Like right now it's 911 and right now it's 70°.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah, like that's comfortable. Which is weird.
• 1:23:17
  Normally it's like 10 or 11. Yeah.
• 1:23:20
  And fresh and it's and. That's the difference, yeah.
• 1:23:23
  And that's the difference with like, say the Gold Coast
• 1:23:26
  Marathon. It's run in July, which is like
• 1:23:29
  in the heart of Aussie winter, but it the the line of latitude
• 1:23:33
  for the Gold Coast relative to Perth.
• 1:23:35
  Like it's, it's a lot closer to tropical weather.
• 1:23:38
  And therefore the humidity is normally like 80 odd percent.
• 1:23:41
  And it's normally like if it's so if it's 15 to 17° with like
• 1:23:44
  85% humidity, it's just nowhere near as pleasant as what it
• 1:23:48
  would be if it was like 10°. Like it.
• 1:23:50
  It's just, it is just that little bit worse.
• 1:23:52
  So I definitely can empathize with the fact that it's not nice
• 1:23:56
  to run in. For Sam, yeah, enough excuses.
• 1:24:00
  Well, actually all the excuses are going to come now.
• 1:24:02
  And so yeah, the legs were like the quads, like aerobically I
• 1:24:08
  felt good, but the quads were a bit beat and I feel like the
• 1:24:12
  shoes didn't help in a way, but and I was getting a blister on
• 1:24:17
  the arch. Do you ever get a blister on the
• 1:24:19
  arch of your foot from them shoes?
• 1:24:21
  Only the twos. I think the alpha fly alpha fly
• 1:24:24
  twos. I've had a blister from the arch
• 1:24:25
  but they're they're the only ones.
• 1:24:27
  I'm not sure if it was they were stiff because I hadn't worn them
• 1:24:31
  in two years or I don't know. But yeah, I was getting a
• 1:24:35
  blister. I didn't feel that until after
• 1:24:36
  the race now, to be honest. But there was a water station
• 1:24:38
  with like, 2 1/2 K 2K to go. And I went over to, like, grab a
• 1:24:44
  cup and I could feel like the side of my, like, ribs and all
• 1:24:49
  sort of tense up a little bit. And then I splashed on my face,
• 1:24:53
  half went to my mouth, and I literally felt like I got
• 1:24:56
  stabbed. It was a really weird, like,
• 1:24:57
  stabbing stitch pain. And I was like, oh, shit.
• 1:25:00
  And I was like, I couldn't like, take a full breath in.
• 1:25:05
  I felt like Brett Robinson. But yeah, so I'd say we're going
• 1:25:12
  308. And I had to like, totally,
• 1:25:14
  like, back off. It was pretty sore.
• 1:25:17
  So my last like 2 kilometers were like 328 and like 3:30.
• 1:25:21
  So I totally dropped off the two guys.
• 1:25:25
  So it was like a big like what if like like I think your man
• 1:25:30
  was always going to come third, but like you never really know
• 1:25:32
  what can happen in that last kilometer, 2 kilometers.
• 1:25:35
  And then even there were like last night when I was lying in
• 1:25:38
  bed, like the side was still like really sore when I was
• 1:25:41
  lying on it. So I think it was like a
• 1:25:42
  muscular thing, but I've never had it before, which is it's
• 1:25:46
  really annoying and weird, but yeah.
• 1:25:49
  So the guy that finished third, is that who you're running with
• 1:25:52
  up until then I. Think that he was he was the guy
• 1:25:54
  who came from behind. So he ran like a really, really
• 1:25:56
  good race. He timed to perfect.
• 1:25:58
  Yeah, good play. And I think he's in a big
• 1:26:00
  marathon block as well. So I think he had heavy legs.
• 1:26:03
  So yeah, shout out to him. He's fit, but just goes to show
• 1:26:07
  like I I wasn't really doing like specific.
• 1:26:11
  I thought like the 5K training could sort of like it does make
• 1:26:13
  you relatively fit, but I just was missing that like 16 K is a
• 1:26:18
  long way. So I was just missing more of
• 1:26:21
  that specific work. So like 5150 like it was still
• 1:26:25
  like a semi decent result. Like I think it was 3/13 per
• 1:26:29
  kilometer with like the 2 kilometers super slow.
• 1:26:32
  So like I'd say I was in my half marathon, like I think my half
• 1:26:37
  marathon PB was 311 pace. So would have been able to keep
• 1:26:40
  that up for another three mile. I don't know.
• 1:26:43
  But like a positive, like I'm not injured.
• 1:26:47
  I'm, I think I've got at my local race in like 2 weeks.
• 1:26:50
  So for the next two weeks I'll probably just be, I won't be
• 1:26:52
  anything crazy just to get by and then I'll have a down week.
• 1:26:55
  So bright side, like I'm fit, I'm healthy.
• 1:26:58
  It was just annoying that I got a stitch and like it was, I
• 1:27:03
  think it was, I must have been just so tense that when I like
• 1:27:05
  reached for the cup, my body wasn't, you wasn't expecting it
• 1:27:08
  or something. I don't know.
• 1:27:10
  So yeah, not ideal. But then, yeah, today I'll just
• 1:27:15
  go for like 45 or 60 minutes just to shake the race out of
• 1:27:18
  the legs. Like my quads are a bit beat up.
• 1:27:21
  So yeah, I think it'll be like 100 and low 100 and like 5 or
• 1:27:26
  something like that for the week.
• 1:27:28
  Still a very good week. It's been a nice good block of
• 1:27:30
  training, huh? Yeah, like, I probably don't
• 1:27:33
  didn't do myself justice by doing like in a way, like the
• 1:27:37
  early round of the week was pretty heavy.
• 1:27:39
  Like I wasn't like fresh, but it wasn't like an A ball race.
• 1:27:42
  It was just like to see where I'm at.
• 1:27:44
  So yeah. Well, you've got to think as
• 1:27:47
  well, like since you've come back, is that like your fourth
• 1:27:49
  race? Like you've had a pretty intense
• 1:27:51
  period of 1 getting fit, but two racing through it as well.
• 1:27:56
  Yeah, exactly. And sort of I can't take that
• 1:27:59
  for granted either. Like I'd sort of need to give my
• 1:28:01
  body like a bit of a break now because I feel like I'm not the
• 1:28:03
  most durable runner. I feel like in past I've like
• 1:28:07
  got on a really good six months and then I just crossed that red
• 1:28:11
  line and get injured or something like that.
• 1:28:13
  So I'm sort of just going to pull the pin on that before that
• 1:28:16
  happens this time. So yeah, look on the bright
• 1:28:21
  side. Yeah.
• 1:28:22
  Is it like 12 weeks ago that you were sort of, I can see in your
• 1:28:25
  Strava bars it was like 65 K weight.
• 1:28:28
  You're probably just building back then, right?
• 1:28:31
  Yeah, I think the week before that was already something.
• 1:28:34
  So it was just like like my gradual rebuild.
• 1:28:37
  So in 12 weeks I've gotten I've gotten pretty fit.
• 1:28:40
  So yeah, I'm happy with how things are going.
• 1:28:42
  You've gotten back into peak fitness and you've got 2 new PBS
• 1:28:46
  along the way as well. Oh well.
• 1:28:48
  Yeah, well, I've never, I think my 3 KPB before that was like my
• 1:28:53
  3K split in my 5 KPB. So yeah, the 327 was a PB.
• 1:29:00
  You know, out of interest, on all these races you've been to,
• 1:29:03
  is there any easy double chatter with the participants at the
• 1:29:06
  end? They.
• 1:29:08
  Like keep your head down is a bit like, Oh, don't want to say
• 1:29:11
  that. No, they haven't an iota.
• 1:29:14
  I feel like we haven't broken the Irish market yet.
• 1:29:18
  Speaking of local influence, I was running to work which is 95%
• 1:29:24
  of the time just me and my thoughts.
• 1:29:25
  But I had someone running the other way and this guy takes out
• 1:29:29
  a Airpod and goes easy double and then puts the endpoints to
• 1:29:33
  his ears as he was as he was running past in the opposite
• 1:29:35
  direction. That's so funny.
• 1:29:38
  Yeah, that was cool. The only bit of that I get is
• 1:29:44
  when my brother slides me having a running podcast.
• 1:29:51
  Yeah, you're getting more so negative feedback in Ireland.
• 1:29:55
  Yeah, we're just not there yet. Deliberately trying to keep it
• 1:29:59
  under wraps. Don't want to get bullied?
• 1:30:03
  We say that though, but isn't half the listenership not
• 1:30:06
  Australian nowadays? Yeah, well, it certainly was for
• 1:30:09
  a period, which is quite bizarre to think about, but cool as
• 1:30:13
  well. And then you do, you do feel it
• 1:30:16
  if you scroll through the Strava club members, there's like
• 1:30:19
  people from kind of all over the show.
• 1:30:21
  So shout out to those listeners. I'll just tell you about my
• 1:30:26
  training or lack thereof. Done quite a bit of cycling.
• 1:30:30
  Well, what felt like quite a bit of cycling because it goes to
• 1:30:33
  Strava. I had luck before.
• 1:30:36
  I was expecting it felt like it was going to say like 3 or 400 K
• 1:30:40
  and it says 220. And then compare that could only
• 1:30:44
  do 220K on a bike and then 250. It's like, what the hell?
• 1:30:50
  It's so funny actually. Like because when you said 220 K
• 1:30:54
  I'm like that's a cracking. That's a fair effort.
• 1:30:57
  But then when you say it opposite what he just ran, it's
• 1:31:00
  like fuck me. It just blows my mind. 250 KS a
• 1:31:04
  week, just like I. Was saying 1000 KA month now
• 1:31:08
  based on the last month. What's that?
• 1:31:10
  What he's done? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:12
  But like 220. Yeah, I like, I'm getting a bit
• 1:31:15
  hung up on it myself and just wanted to run more and more,
• 1:31:18
  which is not the right attitude. You just got to work out what's
• 1:31:20
  right for you. But like, and with that in mind,
• 1:31:23
  like 220 K week of riding, but that's still, that's a good
• 1:31:27
  amount of aerobic work, right? Like even say you're going 30 K
• 1:31:30
  an hour, that's like, you know that's a solid 7 hours of
• 1:31:33
  aerobic riding, right? Yeah, well, it makes me
• 1:31:36
  appreciate like there'll be no more triathlon slander on here
• 1:31:40
  now that, you know, I'm transitioning and stuff now.
• 1:31:43
  But it makes me appreciate like how how hard it must be to train
• 1:31:47
  like that. Just to rubs off in the wound,
• 1:31:51
  Jake has actually ran since we've started this.
• 1:31:54
  He's at 272 now. And please look at the look at
• 1:31:58
  the look at the Straba post, he says.
• 1:32:00
  Finally found a team that will let me train with them and it's
• 1:32:03
  the girls again. He's off his head.
• 1:32:13
  He's off the rocker. Look at that.
• 1:32:15
  Look the feature. Does he nap?
• 1:32:18
  Did we ask him when you chatted to him?
• 1:32:20
  Oh my God, look at that. But like for example, for that
• 1:32:27
  ride this morning, I've done two hours and I was like giving it a
• 1:32:31
  good nudge. But that's the thing, it just
• 1:32:34
  destroys your quads. Like quads are just like stale,
• 1:32:38
  but then my heart rate afterwards it was average like
• 1:32:41
  148. So when you consider two hours
• 1:32:44
  worth of aerobic work at 148 beats a minute, that's like it's
• 1:32:48
  a decent workout really. Obviously you're not running,
• 1:32:51
  but it's it's taken me over. And then anyway, that's just is
• 1:32:56
  what it is. I don't need to fucking start
• 1:32:58
  analyzing cycles, but the the main thing is that I've got the
• 1:33:02
  scat. And you'd prefer cycling outside
• 1:33:05
  than cycling on a stationary bike inside?
• 1:33:08
  Yeah, so initially I was doing loads on the bike in the gym, in
• 1:33:11
  the apartment here. But like, mentally I would give
• 1:33:14
  in after 45 minutes. It would just be like like gets
• 1:33:18
  45 minutes. And then I'd feel like I'd
• 1:33:20
  worked hard for half an hour. I had a decent sweat and I'd be
• 1:33:24
  like, yeah, that's me done now. Whereas going outside on the
• 1:33:27
  bike, like time just passes so quick or you just cycle away
• 1:33:31
  from home for like half an hour and then you automatically
• 1:33:34
  you've done an hour because you have to get back.
• 1:33:36
  I'll just be petrified of like everything that can kill me on a
• 1:33:40
  bike outside, as you've experienced last week.
• 1:33:42
  Experienced that one last week, didn't.
• 1:33:46
  I Are you sticking to bike paths?
• 1:33:48
  Trying to, yeah, but like obviously you have to use the
• 1:33:50
  road at some point to get somewhere.
• 1:33:54
  I did say we were finishing our run and you've, you've, you've
• 1:33:58
  rode past us and you've given us a Oh yeah, as you've gone past.
• 1:34:02
  And then there's, this is on a like 2, you know, dual lane Rd.
• 1:34:07
  And then you've just stuck your right, there's a car coming and
• 1:34:10
  you've just stuck your arm out like, hey, now I'm just going to
• 1:34:12
  cross these, these lanes because the Hertzman markets are here.
• 1:34:16
  You you knew there was a car there, right?
• 1:34:19
  Yeah, there's loads of room. Oh my God.
• 1:34:25
  Listen, my mum listens to this and she's had a chat with me
• 1:34:31
  last week about being careful and all this, so don't be
• 1:34:34
  bagging me out. And does the does the electrical
• 1:34:39
  aggravate it? The power's still off on it from
• 1:34:42
  that double trouble about 3 weeks ago.
• 1:34:44
  No, just go to a Revo, they're cheapest chips and there's loads
• 1:34:49
  of shit there. Again, like motivation to go
• 1:34:53
  physically go to a gym just across train, it's not there.
• 1:34:56
  I'd rather just get on the bike and risk my life seemingly.
• 1:35:00
  I used to like. So do let's say 40 on the
• 1:35:02
  elliptical and then jump on the stationary.
• 1:35:04
  Do another 40 like mix it up. True, but the the fresh air is
• 1:35:09
  nice. Supposing.
• 1:35:13
  What were you going to say then, Dean?
• 1:35:16
  I don't know, nothing good probably, so that's fine.
• 1:35:19
  Interested to hear about the the update to the injury right?
• 1:35:23
  Oh yeah, we'll see what you what sense you can make of this.
• 1:35:26
  So got the scan on Monday last week think it was the results
• 1:35:30
  came back anyway, so the findings say and there's context
• 1:35:34
  the radiologist gave context that had the MRI three months
• 1:35:38
  prior and there's plans are found blah blah.
• 1:35:40
  So it says there. There is again evidence of
• 1:35:43
  plantar fasciitis involving the central band for insertion.
• 1:35:48
  Mild bone marrow oedemia persists but has improved.
• 1:35:52
  There's one good thing has persists but improved.
• 1:35:55
  So at least like. Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  Maybe like 1% of like positive correlation there.
• 1:36:03
  Mild. Yeah, Mild, rather.
• 1:36:06
  Than spicy. All good words.
• 1:36:09
  Yeah. When allowing for differences in
• 1:36:11
  scam resolution. So I think these are trying to
• 1:36:14
  say that the previous scan was a little shy because you can't see
• 1:36:17
  too much from it. A tiny interstitial slash
• 1:36:22
  insertional tear at the epicenter of the bone.
• 1:36:25
  Oedema is probably unchanged, measuring 4 meters, 4mm
• 1:36:30
  longitudinal. The lateral band in session is
• 1:36:34
  relatively normal. Tiny plantar calcaneal spare
• 1:36:37
  mild underlying soft tissue oedemia of the plantar heal pad.
• 1:36:42
  So The thing is the plantar fasciitis is still there.
• 1:36:47
  But the thing I'm more concerned about is this tear thing.
• 1:36:49
  Like I probably need to go and speak to, as you were saying the
• 1:36:52
  a physio about this tear, because I mean, athletes
• 1:36:55
  probably run around every day with millions of these tears and
• 1:36:58
  stuff. The thing that I don't get is I
• 1:37:01
  still don't know directly what the pain comes from.
• 1:37:04
  Like is it the planter? Is it this tear?
• 1:37:07
  Is it the bone thing like? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:37:10
  That sounded like an earthquake. You were describing an
• 1:37:12
  earthquake with the epicenter and all that sort of shit.
• 1:37:16
  There's an earthquake in Maheal. Retire.
• 1:37:20
  Bone edema or whatever, that's bone bruising, right?
• 1:37:24
  So it sounds like doesn't, which doesn't sound ideal.
• 1:37:27
  I think so, but I mean The thing is on that one, there's no,
• 1:37:29
  there's no stressy. So bruising is better than a
• 1:37:32
  stressy I guess. Maybe that's the the healing of
• 1:37:36
  it. Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  Pardon the pun. But the only thing is the doctor
• 1:37:42
  could tell that like I was trying to get some Peace of Mind
• 1:37:46
  as in, like, OK, what are we looking at?
• 1:37:48
  Two to three more months, six months start to run in a couple
• 1:37:51
  of weeks. Like literally what's this?
• 1:37:53
  What does that mean for me? Like I'm not so clinical to
• 1:37:56
  understand that and translate it into real terms.
• 1:38:00
  And obviously he's reluctant to put time frames on it and say
• 1:38:05
  black and white, which is fair enough, but I was like, so 4
• 1:38:08
  weeks or what? And he's like now more like 2 to
• 1:38:12
  three months, which I don't know how true that is.
• 1:38:15
  I'm going to have to get it cross referenced and get a
• 1:38:18
  second opinion. But The thing is like,
• 1:38:20
  ultimately it still feels pretty uncomfortable.
• 1:38:24
  So I mean, that's a telltale sign, at least for now that it's
• 1:38:27
  certainly not ready. But fucking hell, like I might
• 1:38:30
  as well have literally broke my leg.
• 1:38:31
  It's been three months up plus already and still like no
• 1:38:36
  imminent return. Like what the hell?
• 1:38:39
  So yeah, it's like what has happened over the last three
• 1:38:43
  months recovery wise is that you'd be asking really sugar?
• 1:38:49
  It shows like how much when you're so focused in in a block
• 1:38:53
  or like working towards something.
• 1:38:55
  You can mask all these things though, because this I literally
• 1:38:59
  haven't done anything for three months, so it's got slightly
• 1:39:01
  better than whatever it was and I literally ran a marathon on it
• 1:39:05
  and trained through. Is this the same thing?
• 1:39:09
  Croak? Sad.
• 1:39:10
  Your man, Bradley Croaker. Yes, I always listen to him and
• 1:39:14
  he's talking about is his like he's always talking about his
• 1:39:17
  heel isn't he? But is it more Achilles related
• 1:39:19
  as well? So it's not your Achilles at
• 1:39:21
  all, it's your actual heel. Like near the bottom of the
• 1:39:24
  heel. Yeah.
• 1:39:25
  So when I first felt that I was mentioning Achilles, wasn't I?
• 1:39:28
  But on these scans, the Achilles always comes back as like
• 1:39:31
  nothing going on at all. Like you presume how big is the
• 1:39:35
  tear again? Formal.
• 1:39:37
  Yeah, Like you'd presume after 4.
• 1:39:41
  Is it 14 weeks? You said you're out.
• 1:39:43
  Like a tear be fixed. Yeah, apparently to encourage
• 1:39:47
  healing and tears you have to do like strength stuff and that
• 1:39:51
  exercises rather than just pure rest.
• 1:39:55
  It's annoying that like you can't really get a massage.
• 1:39:57
  With these new results. You can't really get a massage
• 1:39:59
  in the area either. Can you like to increase blood
• 1:40:02
  flow or can you get needles or? I mean, you can get that the
• 1:40:05
  doctor said that we could start this PRP, this platelet rich
• 1:40:08
  plasma thing, but the last time I was in with him, he talked me
• 1:40:12
  out of it and now he's saying it's an option.
• 1:40:15
  Yeah, maybe get a second opinion.
• 1:40:17
  Yeah. So yeah, just have to become
• 1:40:19
  cyclist for a little bit. Man, I think Pilates as your
• 1:40:22
  calling. I did go back there this week
• 1:40:25
  and redeem myself from the coffee stain shorts.
• 1:40:28
  Her play, How'd you go? Yeah, All right.
• 1:40:33
  I think she was, she was impressed.
• 1:40:37
  She actually commented. Yeah, yeah, everyone.
• 1:40:45
  The the instructor commented on how much I was sweating, which I
• 1:40:48
  thought was quite ironic given the class was called sweat.
• 1:40:53
  She was like, oh, you're sweating a lot.
• 1:40:54
  I was like, well, isn't that not the goal?
• 1:40:56
  No, everyone else just not working very hard in it.
• 1:41:00
  Is it in a? Is it in like a heated chamber?
• 1:41:04
  Is that part of it? No, it's just a normal one, this
• 1:41:07
  one. But you know, I've got my heart
• 1:41:10
  rate monitor on, so I'm working towards some goals on the on the
• 1:41:13
  feedback on the watch. Give it set to like a Pilates
• 1:41:19
  activity. I didn't dig it out, but I did
• 1:41:22
  put the first one to see what was suitable was gym cardio.
• 1:41:27
  People are turning this podcast off by now.
• 1:41:29
  We need to start getting back on some running.
• 1:41:32
  So besides that, yeah, not a lot.
• 1:41:36
  So I think that concludes training weeks for now.
• 1:41:40
  Yeah. But on the on the positive, like
• 1:41:43
  you've got an update, you know, there's a little tear there.
• 1:41:47
  You can start working towards like getting through that now
• 1:41:51
  like it's not. Yeah, I've done the hard part by
• 1:41:55
  being off for a prolonged time and staying like somewhat in
• 1:41:58
  touch with, like trying to stay in shape and being motivated to
• 1:42:02
  train still. Like I'm not really allowing
• 1:42:05
  myself to get into this headspace yet, but I have once
• 1:42:08
  or twice thought like, oh, how good is the comeback actually
• 1:42:11
  going to be? Like, I'm going to not take
• 1:42:13
  anything for granted. I'm going to enjoy it so much
• 1:42:16
  and stuff, but I'm deliberately trying not to go there yet
• 1:42:19
  because I don't know when that's going to be.
• 1:42:21
  So it'll feel like it'll just tease me almost if I start
• 1:42:25
  thinking like that. Yeah, like, look, realistically
• 1:42:30
  you can just write off the rest of the year really.
• 1:42:32
  Like, you're not going to run a marathon in freaking December or
• 1:42:35
  anything. So literally just 2025 first
• 1:42:39
  half was unbelievable. Just write off this next and
• 1:42:43
  then start looking at 2026. Really.
• 1:42:45
  Lessons learned. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:42:48
  I would be if it was me taking the reports to Steve or someone
• 1:42:52
  that you trust to get a, get some in, try and get more
• 1:42:56
  insights into what their findings are.
• 1:42:58
  And you know, like you say, you're sort of walking away with
• 1:43:01
  not a great deal of clarity around what should I be doing to
• 1:43:04
  help accelerate healing? What should I be doing to sort
• 1:43:07
  of what's safe in terms of cross training, like all that sort of
• 1:43:12
  stuff. Like, I feel like, you know, you
• 1:43:14
  haven't been set up well to actually know what you should be
• 1:43:16
  doing in terms of management of the injury and also what you're
• 1:43:19
  allowed to do to reintroduce load.
• 1:43:22
  And you know, just a generic like, hey, it's still a while
• 1:43:25
  away. Come back in three months is a
• 1:43:27
  bit. It's not super helpful, is it?
• 1:43:30
  Like even if it's like ISA every night or something like that.
• 1:43:34
  Yeah, or not, you know, but like you at least you'd hope that
• 1:43:38
  you'd get some, some insights into some more insight as to
• 1:43:42
  what exactly is, is wrong and, and what are the things we, you
• 1:43:45
  should be concerned about. Like like you said, you're like
• 1:43:48
  still walking away, not completely clear on what is
• 1:43:50
  causing my physical discomfort and how I should manage it.
• 1:43:54
  It's sort of a bit frustrating. I think to thimps to sympathize
• 1:43:59
  with the doctor. He's obviously like extremely
• 1:44:01
  qualified and seen a million injuries before and people go
• 1:44:05
  through like the recovery process and stuff, but that
• 1:44:08
  doesn't mean that I'm equally as experienced with it.
• 1:44:11
  Like this is my first proper injury.
• 1:44:13
  So I am maybe like quite anxious and impatient about it and
• 1:44:17
  thinking that it's going to be hailed like in two weeks and
• 1:44:20
  stuff and maybe I do need a bit more communication on it.
• 1:44:24
  So yeah. But even if he would say, hey,
• 1:44:27
  this is like a six month thing, like don't get like even that
• 1:44:30
  would be helpful. It just feels like you'd be
• 1:44:32
  fine. Yeah.
• 1:44:33
  Yeah. But you just that expectation
• 1:44:35
  management doesn't seem like it's there sort of I don't know.
• 1:44:39
  I've been chasing some some further insights from someone.
• 1:44:42
  Yep, so update news this time next week.
• 1:44:46
  But the The thing is like we've what, we're 26 episodes into
• 1:44:50
  this podcast. If I've been out for 14 weeks,
• 1:44:54
  that means I'm more injured since the inception of Easy
• 1:44:57
  Double than I am trainer. I, I ran with Nat, who joined us
• 1:45:04
  at Maragami yesterday. She came down to a session and
• 1:45:08
  she's like, oh, like, you know, it's a long road back because
• 1:45:10
  she'd been out, you know, for a while, just injured and sort of
• 1:45:16
  trying to get back into it. And she's sort of like, you
• 1:45:19
  know, and thought about giving it up.
• 1:45:20
  But then I've listened to Owen and he's given me hope.
• 1:45:24
  So I think we're all, you know, it's amazing what can happen in
• 1:45:27
  12 weeks, so. Yeah, you give me hope every
• 1:45:30
  week, Owen. There's a light at the end of
• 1:45:34
  the tunnel. Yeah.
• 1:45:36
  Thanks you. You are the light.
• 1:45:40
  The Irish light, right? Pot of Pot of Owen at the end of
• 1:45:45
  the at the end of the tunnel. Just they're waiting there in a
• 1:45:48
  part in a leprechaun. The rest of the running news,
• 1:45:54
  the Chicago elite fields have been released in the past week
• 1:45:57
  or so, which is exciting because that is, is it September or
• 1:46:01
  October? Chicago?
• 1:46:03
  I think it's September, but we've got in the men's field,
• 1:46:07
  John Korea, Timothy Kaplanga, Jacob Kaplimo, the half marathon
• 1:46:13
  world record holder, Connor Mance going for the American
• 1:46:16
  record, Galen Rope. I didn't even know he was like
• 1:46:19
  still going. But like that's out of nowhere.
• 1:46:22
  Rory Linklater, CJ Albertson, Mark Scott, amongst others,
• 1:46:27
  obviously. I think it's on the 12th of
• 1:46:31
  October. 12th October. There you go.
• 1:46:34
  I'll be interested in how Casey Clinger goes.
• 1:46:36
  So he's the young Brooks guy with Connor Manson, Clayton
• 1:46:41
  Young, he's in that group now. He's a BYU alumni, as they call
• 1:46:46
  it over there. So it'll be interesting to see
• 1:46:48
  how he goes on his debut. So is he the skinny looking one?
• 1:46:53
  Yeah, well, they're all pretty skinny.
• 1:46:55
  Well, yeah, he is the skinny. He's.
• 1:46:57
  Tall and skinny maybe, yeah. Then the women's, you have 4
• 1:47:04
  Ethiopians, Alimu Facer, Hipra Dessay, Kali Hugger Thackery,
• 1:47:13
  Lindsay Flanagan, Philly Bowden. That'll be interesting to follow
• 1:47:17
  because she'll document all of that on YouTube.
• 1:47:19
  Maybe we'll do a YouTube Diaries on her once that gets going, or
• 1:47:22
  well, closer to the time rather. Yes, well, look at our most
• 1:47:27
  recent YouTube video and it's not looking too good.
• 1:47:31
  But yeah, that's all I'll say. Dangle the carrots.
• 1:47:36
  Yeah. Grand Slam track done.
• 1:47:39
  A letter to the fans. I don't know how much more of
• 1:47:42
  this I can tolerate not. The same.
• 1:47:44
  The Grand Slam. It's so annoying.
• 1:47:47
  Just pay them the freaking money.
• 1:47:50
  Like yes, he's trying to like, come out, spin himself positive
• 1:47:54
  way out of it, isn't he? He can sell, can't he?
• 1:47:57
  He just can't get a binding contract.
• 1:48:00
  He just can't close. Yeah.
• 1:48:04
  Yeah, I was going to, I was going to read the letter, but
• 1:48:06
  it's pretty lengthy. But it's basically Jay trying to
• 1:48:10
  put himself in a positive light and convince us that he will pay
• 1:48:13
  athletes and that they will be back next year.
• 1:48:15
  But I think he's misread the room a little considering like
• 1:48:21
  the general funds attitude and tolerance for it all now.
• 1:48:25
  Like, I think people have almost moved on from it, haven't they?
• 1:48:28
  Yeah. But also like if there was any
• 1:48:32
  sort of hope that maybe it was just a financial challenge and
• 1:48:35
  it's been resolved, that's sort of fleeting.
• 1:48:38
  And like did the statement give anything positive or or give
• 1:48:43
  anything new or insightful as to like it did it commit on a hey
• 1:48:48
  they will get money at some point or like it just gave
• 1:48:51
  nothing. It's just like a horse has been
• 1:48:54
  really hard for me too. But the last bit of the first
• 1:48:58
  paragraph of the first page says many athletes have shared how
• 1:49:02
  much they've enjoyed competing with us this season.
• 1:49:06
  And he says, and to me, that's success.
• 1:49:09
  So they've enjoyed racing. But yeah, that's success in his
• 1:49:13
  eyes. The crazy thing is this whole
• 1:49:16
  competition got put together because people were maybe going
• 1:49:19
  to get like they all rocked out, compromised their bill towards
• 1:49:22
  the world champs because they were going to get paid a
• 1:49:25
  handsome amount of money. And that the one thing that was
• 1:49:28
  the good thing didn't arrive. Like, terrible, But yeah.
• 1:49:35
  Jacob to couple things on Yahoo. He'd done a YouTube this week
• 1:49:39
  and I don't know if you've seen it, I don't know, speaking to
• 1:49:41
  Dean about it earlier. And the title is like something
• 1:49:45
  to do with setbacks and whatever, you know, because he's
• 1:49:47
  pulled out of these recent diamond leagues with his
• 1:49:49
  Achilles thing. And in it, he's talking about
• 1:49:52
  like, managing his expectations and with overcoming these
• 1:49:58
  setbacks, blah, blah. And then he randomly says like,
• 1:50:01
  oh, you know, like we maybe have to look to do things differently
• 1:50:04
  this year. Like, don't forget, originally I
• 1:50:07
  was a steeplechaser and like, giggles.
• 1:50:10
  And you're like, he's not going to do the steeple, is he?
• 1:50:12
  Surely not. I seen this and I think I don't
• 1:50:16
  think he will do the steeple, but I don't think he's like he's
• 1:50:19
  a, he's a mileage monster. Like he's, he's so aerobically
• 1:50:22
  fit that I think he'll just look at a longer distance.
• 1:50:26
  I don't think he'll do the 15 because the 15 puts so much
• 1:50:29
  pressure on his Achilles. It's like really hard on the
• 1:50:31
  body. But I think he'll be able to
• 1:50:33
  like win a 5K or and I think he'll look to the roads after
• 1:50:39
  the season because if he calls it after September, it'll be
• 1:50:42
  like such a short season. So I think he's going to look to
• 1:50:44
  the roads after and probably try and run like a good half
• 1:50:47
  marathon. But I can't see him like even if
• 1:50:49
  he does do the steeple like I think the Keely would have him.
• 1:50:52
  What's what's his name? Albert, Carly.
• 1:50:55
  Albert Carly. Yeah, the Moroccan kid.
• 1:50:58
  Although he's standing on bloody 1500 meter start lines now, so
• 1:51:01
  maybe I mean yakup of swap bodies or something.
• 1:51:04
  Yeah, I don't know, but it'd be imagine he would not rocks up in
• 1:51:07
  a in a steeple. Can he just do that even though
• 1:51:10
  if he doesn't have the qualifying standard or does he
• 1:51:12
  have that much pull in Norway? Yeah.
• 1:51:14
  Surely not, but yeah. Yeah, how we qualify?
• 1:51:20
  It does say what you've just said though.
• 1:51:22
  Basically Owen says like Tokyo will be the season opener
• 1:51:25
  though, and we're going to look to extend it like beyond and
• 1:51:28
  maybe we'll get to do like some fun and excite and in different
• 1:51:31
  races. And it's annoying because it's
• 1:51:33
  like that cliffhanger and you come away like thinking, what
• 1:51:37
  race? What are you going to do?
• 1:51:38
  Then announce it. Like just Copenhagen half after
• 1:51:41
  that which he done last year, but also Valencia half is start
• 1:51:45
  of December which is like rapid so you can nearly see him lining
• 1:51:50
  up for that and like running a freaking like sub 60 half
• 1:51:54
  marathon or something like that. What would the European Who
• 1:51:56
  would be the European half marathon record holder?
• 1:52:00
  That's a good question. The Swiss guy had it at one
• 1:52:07
  point. That was years ago I think.
• 1:52:11
  Would it be like the Belgium marathoner?
• 1:52:15
  Basharupdi. Maybe.
• 1:52:19
  Give me a second. I'll move to Hawkins's Callum.
• 1:52:23
  Hawkins has run 60 flat. I'm just spitballing people that
• 1:52:27
  we know that have run around that time.
• 1:52:29
  Yeah, I think Moe's run similar times to Brett.
• 1:52:31
  Maybe it was a little bit quicker.
• 1:52:33
  He's the only person quicker in British.
• 1:52:35
  I think it's Julian Wanders from Switzerland in 1996.
• 1:52:43
  He ran 5913. 96 No, can't be 96. 19 Somebody's born.
• 1:52:49
  That's where he's born. Oh.
• 1:52:51
  Sorry, yeah, 20/19/2019. Yeah, 2019, yeah.
• 1:52:54
  In that race, it's actually the race.
• 1:52:57
  So Jacob Kiplimo isn't doing worlds.
• 1:53:00
  He's going to a race in the UAE. I think he's doing a half
• 1:53:05
  marathon there instead. And it was that race.
• 1:53:07
  It's Raz Al Kami. I think it's like massive money.
• 1:53:11
  So yeah. Your man.
• 1:53:12
  Keep playing now, yeah? About to see he's on that
• 1:53:17
  Chicago start list. You know, maybe he'd done London
• 1:53:22
  deliberately at an acceptable level just to like kind of buy
• 1:53:25
  themselves some time and some plaud that's got some
• 1:53:28
  credibility that he's not a cheat and now he's going to come
• 1:53:31
  to Chicago and. Well, we never, we never think.
• 1:53:36
  Right. Hold on.
• 1:53:39
  That's an allegation. That's track that.
• 1:53:46
  We spoke about Fred Kelly's whereabouts.
• 1:53:48
  Failures, haven't we? Well, we mentioned that, alluded
• 1:53:51
  to it. The sprinters don't have the
• 1:53:54
  cleanest records, do they? Seemingly.
• 1:53:56
  Yeah, what was that stat, Owen? Around the top ten fastest we.
• 1:54:00
  Mentioned so the top ten fastest sprinters of all time?
• 1:54:04
  Seven of them have been popped for doping or whereabouts
• 1:54:09
  failures or something like that, and a lot of them are American.
• 1:54:14
  So if you think doping is just happening in in Kenya, give your
• 1:54:20
  eyes closed. It's happening everywhere.
• 1:54:22
  They're just better at it. Jess Hall has seen some quotes
• 1:54:24
  from her talking about going for gold in Tokyo and like you
• 1:54:28
  consider Jess to be like the happy smiley, like nice girl and
• 1:54:32
  stuff. So it was interesting to see her
• 1:54:34
  say this. So she says the important thing
• 1:54:37
  for me has been to learn how to win races and set myself up for
• 1:54:41
  gold. If you miss the win, you still
• 1:54:43
  want to be among the medalists. Every last Rep and train and
• 1:54:46
  every final 200 meters, I remind myself this one's for gold.
• 1:54:50
  And obviously she's against Kippy Aegon.
• 1:54:52
  So let's fight and talk. We love it.
• 1:54:55
  The last item on the news role for this week was this just a
• 1:54:59
  little thing I've seen on Instagram that I think it's just
• 1:55:02
  like a British club Henhill Harry is they've basically put
• 1:55:06
  on a 3000 meter steepled race called last call for Tokyo and
• 1:55:13
  they've they're trying to help out the British athletes mainly
• 1:55:16
  to get the standard. But then there's a few
• 1:55:18
  internationals as well heading over to try and chase that
• 1:55:21
  standard. Just they created this race in
• 1:55:24
  the past couple of weeks based on people being so close to the
• 1:55:28
  standard and not having like that much access to steeple
• 1:55:31
  races. So that'll be pretty cool
• 1:55:33
  spectacle you'd think, you know, like why everyone's there.
• 1:55:37
  They'll probably help each other out largely and then race for
• 1:55:39
  the last couple of laps or whatever.
• 1:55:41
  Big for the Aussies. I think one of the Aussies is
• 1:55:43
  just a couple of seconds off, isn't he?
• 1:55:45
  Yeah, it was Buckingham. Yes.
• 1:55:47
  I think that's why maybe I've seen it.
• 1:55:49
  Yeah, I. Think it's like even less than a
• 1:55:51
  second or something. It's like fraction.
• 1:55:55
  YouTube Diaries. Yeah, I can mention I can take
• 1:55:59
  the lead or, or it's have we mentioned Clayton Young's
• 1:56:02
  YouTube channel on the podcast before?
• 1:56:05
  We've definitely referred to it. I'm not sure we've done a full
• 1:56:07
  like YouTube Diaries on it. Yeah, we have.
• 1:56:11
  Yeah. So he's he's done it.
• 1:56:12
  I think I was having a look. He's done like a road to New
• 1:56:15
  York. Well, his YouTube channel
• 1:56:18
  started in the lead up to Paris Olympics.
• 1:56:22
  And is it is some of the funding is it is it partnered with with
• 1:56:28
  ASICS or it's just that he's just an ethics, ethics athlete.
• 1:56:31
  I'm not sure how it do you know. Do you have any more context to
• 1:56:35
  you guys? So the Paris one was ASIC, I
• 1:56:38
  think. Did you run Chicago or Boston?
• 1:56:41
  One of them was Stride and I'm not sure what this one he
• 1:56:44
  normally does have. Like I think one of them was
• 1:56:47
  Cadence and he normally does have like a big brand like
• 1:56:50
  support on it. I think that core core involved
• 1:56:54
  with this one. Yeah, Core and Strider on the
• 1:56:57
  title or whatever in the But yeah, for this latest series.
• 1:57:04
  So he's in the past, I think, you know, the three previous
• 1:57:07
  builds, right, New York, Boston and the Olympics.
• 1:57:10
  Him and Connor Mancy's training partner were.
• 1:57:12
  So it was cool. It was sort of focused around
• 1:57:14
  Clayton Young's viewpoint, but you would sort of get a lot of
• 1:57:18
  insight into condom answers build as well, right, Which was
• 1:57:21
  super interesting. 1 to ASICS athlete, once a Nike athlete,
• 1:57:25
  but both coached by is it Ed Einstein Stone and they're yeah,
• 1:57:31
  they're both ex BYU athletes, aren't they?
• 1:57:34
  And I think that BYU team that that he's coaching didn't they
• 1:57:38
  didn't some of those collegiate athletes just run themselves
• 1:57:41
  onto the steeplechase team if for the world champs as well?
• 1:57:44
  I think he's coaching like these young talented steeplers like
• 1:57:47
  he's just he's the man right at the minute as far as coaching
• 1:57:51
  goes. And these guys are super nice
• 1:57:53
  and super interesting athletes, but they're just the hook.
• 1:57:56
  And in the first few seconds of this video, the interviewer sort
• 1:58:00
  of asked him who sort of like is the person behind the camera who
• 1:58:04
  must be putting all this together.
• 1:58:06
  I think says something along the lines of, so Clayton, have you
• 1:58:09
  been up to much? And Clayton sort of just looks
• 1:58:12
  away into the distance and laughs like as in like, and then
• 1:58:15
  it's got this like exciting music playing in the background.
• 1:58:18
  And then it just cuts to like, basically it's just like a
• 1:58:22
  little teaser. Like, what do you think I've
• 1:58:23
  been up to? And then it just cuts to him
• 1:58:26
  doing workouts and him sort of building up.
• 1:58:28
  And it just the music, the way it's shot is just makes you get
• 1:58:32
  very excited, makes you want to do a marathon marathon session
• 1:58:35
  just off the back of it. So yeah, it's sort of the first
• 1:58:38
  time he's sort of going condiments is, as we said,
• 1:58:40
  training up for the Chicago Marathon and Clayton Young's
• 1:58:43
  training up for the World Chance Marathon.
• 1:58:45
  So yeah, these next few weeks are going to be super exciting.
• 1:58:48
  I think in terms of how he following his journey in the
• 1:58:52
  final build, I think he sort of suggests he's at in PB shape and
• 1:58:56
  doing some of the best workouts of his.
• 1:58:57
  Life. You'd really wonder, like what
• 1:58:59
  appearance the money Connor Matz is getting to go to like Chicago
• 1:59:04
  Marathon over like a world championship, wouldn't you?
• 1:59:06
  Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Particularly when when you would
• 1:59:10
  say so the the cool thing about the world champs is unlike a
• 1:59:15
  world major, it's 3 athletes from every country.
• 1:59:19
  So you sort of got you're picking 3 Kenyans and three
• 1:59:21
  Ethiopians and they've got to be fit at that time.
• 1:59:23
  So you sort of have less athletes like you're you're I
• 1:59:27
  would say he's potentially a better chance to come top three
• 1:59:31
  at the world champs than he would at Chicago.
• 1:59:33
  So like, that's it, you know, to work, walk away from the
• 1:59:37
  opportunity to be a world like medallist is a lot, right?
• 1:59:41
  So he'd he'd have to be getting a pretty pretty substantial
• 1:59:44
  appearance fee. Is Chicago a Nike event?
• 1:59:47
  I. Don't know.
• 1:59:50
  Yeah, I'm not sure what the major, major sponsor is, right.
• 1:59:54
  If they're a major, major shoe brand, potentially it is and
• 1:59:57
  that's why he gets he's doing it.
• 1:59:59
  But. What's his Bank of America?
• 2:00:01
  That's it. Oh, Nike.
• 2:00:02
  I think Nike is one of them. Yeah, Nike is one of them.
• 2:00:04
  So maybe he might be in his contract or something.
• 2:00:07
  Yeah, and potentially like American record, the the money
• 2:00:11
  associated with breaking the American record would be a lot
• 2:00:14
  too. Be a big payday.
• 2:00:16
  Yeah, he's probably looking at not as though like it's one bill
• 2:00:19
  towards the American record. He's probably like two or three
• 2:00:23
  years now into like a, if you zoom out a little bit building
• 2:00:26
  towards this American record Disney, like he's been taking
• 2:00:29
  small steps here and there with these good marathon results and
• 2:00:33
  small little PBS stepping towards it.
• 2:00:36
  So maybe he's just thought now I'm all in on the record.
• 2:00:40
  Give it, give it this shot because.
• 2:00:42
  Yeah, that YouTube, YouTube series is awesome.
• 2:00:45
  Like he's like, yeah, it's right up there.
• 2:00:48
  Yeah, another mention of that interview with Jake Smith, but
• 2:00:51
  he mentioned it as well, didn't he, as part of that.
• 2:00:53
  So it's possibly popped up in his algorithm.
• 2:00:56
  The latest video. Yeah, it's it's such a good
• 2:00:59
  watch. And like especially with the in
• 2:01:01
  this first episode, he actually raced that race that Izzy won
• 2:01:04
  the other week, didn't he? That beach, the beacon.
• 2:01:06
  So like it's even more intriguing to kind of see what
• 2:01:09
  that was like because there's no coverage of it all We saw as
• 2:01:13
  like Australian slash British Irish public was just a results
• 2:01:17
  thing, wasn't it? So to see like the actual
• 2:01:20
  YouTube stuff on it is pretty good as well.
• 2:01:22
  Yeah. And you probably, we'd probably
• 2:01:24
  didn't appreciate just how incredible like that win is.
• 2:01:27
  His win is probably not. It was a bit lost in terms of
• 2:01:30
  contextually because you don't really know the race, but yeah,
• 2:01:33
  pretty, pretty special performances.
• 2:01:35
  Like, I mean, what did Clayton Young finish?
• 2:01:37
  He might have finished like eighth or something.
• 2:01:39
  Eighth. Yeah.
• 2:01:40
  Yeah, and then there he is talking about being a medal
• 2:01:43
  potential at the world Champs and he finishes 8th in this
• 2:01:46
  seemingly random 10K race in America.
• 2:01:49
  All right, thanks for that, Dean.
• 2:01:50
  I've already watched it, so I know I'll be sat there next week
• 2:01:54
  waiting for the next drop. I remember in the build to Paris
• 2:01:57
  one, I was literally like, strangely obsessive with it.
• 2:02:00
  Like on a Sunday. I'll be sat there like waiting
• 2:02:03
  for it. Like, why isn't he really
• 2:02:04
  released it yet? Like, come on.
• 2:02:07
  And then it seems, yeah, it seems that since then, there's
• 2:02:14
  like a lot of other athletes have started doing the same
• 2:02:17
  thing now as well. Whereas at the time, he was like
• 2:02:19
  one of the only ones that I was actually interested in following
• 2:02:23
  or aware that they were even doing like this.
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  Good content. Well, it'll be getting a message
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  this week anyway when he gets tagged in the YouTube Diaries,
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  so we'll see. Jake's just released his rent,
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  latest rent to Japan video. He's literally in the space
• 2:02:40
  about recording. Just run another 12 KS, dropped
• 2:02:44
  a video and we've just fumble our way through another episode.
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  Oh God, they just get longer every week.
• 2:02:52
  How's it got this? I'm not going to say the minutes
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  because I've learnt we we shouldn't say that but oh lordy,
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  I might not have a wife when I log out of here so.
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  Yeah, you. You and me both.
• 2:03:07
  Double trouble then. Anyone got anything burning?
• 2:03:12
  No, I'll give you 1 because I'm just tending to like a grumpy,
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  miserable injured runner here. So in the Discover in the week,
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  I think it popped up like some. I don't like to label people
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  like this, but this is how I would label them if I had to
• 2:03:29
  like a room fluencer type person.
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  You know, quite a lot of followers on Instagram trains in
• 2:03:35
  the gym and has recently started running.
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  They put up the post from 1/2 marathon that they've done and
• 2:03:43
  they were complaining about the course being long compared to
• 2:03:46
  best driver. And then someone in the comments
• 2:03:49
  was like, oh me too. I just stopped my what?
• 2:03:53
  I had to stop my watch like 3 minutes from the end.
• 2:03:56
  So I was thinking like what the hell is it?
• 2:04:00
  The course is just the course. Come on.
• 2:04:01
  Like just forget about your watch.
• 2:04:03
  And because I've got so riled up by it, I've done some digging
• 2:04:06
  into this person's actual results because they've been
• 2:04:10
  posting screenshots from their Strava of their time.
• 2:04:15
  And I was even looking into their GPS file to see where the
• 2:04:19
  little finish markers compared to someone who I know would have
• 2:04:22
  actually obviously ran the course.
• 2:04:25
  And they've stopped their watch as soon as it hits 21.1 like 300
• 2:04:29
  meters from the finish screenshot their watch time from
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  Strava and like claiming that as the time you go into the actual
• 2:04:37
  results and their official time is like 2 minutes slower.
• 2:04:40
  But like people aren't doing this to try and cheat.
• 2:04:42
  At least they don't think they're not.
• 2:04:43
  Or like claim a faster PB. They're just genuinely
• 2:04:47
  uneducated on the fact that your watch isn't measuring to the
• 2:04:50
  exact centimeter. The courses are satisfied
• 2:04:53
  courses, therefore it's just fact and you have to just ignore
• 2:04:56
  it all. You also it's also hard to run
• 2:04:59
  the exact racing line of a course too.
• 2:05:02
  So you sort of, you know, you might add a few extra meters,
• 2:05:05
  but I don't think that allows you to then start cropping your
• 2:05:08
  activity. This person I think in
• 2:05:11
  particular had shot themselves in the foot because they'd done
• 2:05:13
  it once. So therefore they had inaccurate
• 2:05:18
  or unrealistic PB because they chopped a couple 100 meters off
• 2:05:22
  their run basically to claim it. So now they're keeping to have
• 2:05:25
  to do it to so they can cling on to still run the PB in a better
• 2:05:29
  commas. He should come over to my track.
• 2:05:32
  It's a short track. Yeah, 336 meters.
• 2:05:36
  He got a nice 400 meter. PB that that can be my run in
• 2:05:42
  double trouble and my cyclist double trouble is well, I don't
• 2:05:47
  understand why cars when they pass yet they leave.
• 2:05:50
  They they go into the bloody lane of the oncoming traffic.
• 2:05:53
  Like thanks for not hitting me and wiping me off my bike yet,
• 2:05:57
  but you don't need to leave like literally a bus with room.
• 2:06:01
  It's in fact more dangerous for you to go so far over and then
• 2:06:06
  veer all the way back across. Like just edge out a bit and
• 2:06:09
  pass. Better to be safe than sorry.
• 2:06:12
  I'd I'd hope you wouldn't see many of those because you're on
• 2:06:14
  the cycle path. Well exactly.
• 2:06:16
  I think he just listened to the episode last week and heard of
• 2:06:19
  how much of A shit cyclist you are.
• 2:06:21
  I was like, oh, this guy in the car.
• 2:06:28
  Probably thinking you might swerve into them so that as you
• 2:06:31
  get startled, so you're getting locker this week given you're
• 2:06:36
  sort of a bit injured and like the last thing you want is a
• 2:06:40
  sore Gooch to add to a sore foot.
• 2:06:42
  I don't know, it's there's too many costs involved with the
• 2:06:47
  recovery and stuff from the running and now often start
• 2:06:51
  spending on cycling. I need to do some planning I
• 2:06:54
  think. Now do you know that onesie they
• 2:06:56
  wear where it's like it's like shorts and then it stops like
• 2:07:00
  here on your arm? Get one of them.
• 2:07:03
  I'll have my racing bib on my on my quad by the time I come back
• 2:07:07
  when I own. Yeah, that's the talk about.
• 2:07:11
  That all right then in terms of what's coming up, we've got 2
• 2:07:14
  diamond leagues between now and the next meeting between now and
• 2:07:18
  the next recording. There's one on Wednesday night
• 2:07:20
  in Switzerland and then there's one next Saturday night in
• 2:07:23
  Belgium. Keely and Georgia Hunter Bell
• 2:07:26
  are actually facing off in the 800 on on the Wednesday night 1.
• 2:07:29
  So that'll be interesting, although I think we've learned
• 2:07:32
  how that was is likely to go now anyway.
• 2:07:35
  And then, yeah, there's 5000 meters, 1500 meters, 800 meters.
• 2:07:40
  So follow along. Thank God we move this recording
• 2:07:43
  forward, otherwise I think me and Dean will be getting reduced
• 2:07:47
  sleep tonight. Yeah, big one.
• 2:07:50
  All right, guys. Thanks very much.
• 2:07:52
  Wait. Do you have any plans for next
• 2:07:53
  week or is it just Ron you cycling, Dean, you just.
• 2:07:56
  Jogging. Yeah mate, we all can't just
• 2:07:58
  race every other weekend. I'm just jogging as well I.
• 2:08:05
  Have. A new pair of shoes coming on
• 2:08:07
  Monday. I've got a new pair of shoes
• 2:08:09
  actually set at the running center.
• 2:08:11
  The is it the Adidas? Is it SL?
• 2:08:13
  Oh yeah, you went for them. So give them a try, see if they
• 2:08:18
  help, help where where I'm feeling so, but I'll let you
• 2:08:21
  know next week. And what are you getting on?
• 2:08:23
  Yeah, I went for the Nike Romero 18.
• 2:08:27
  Not the plus or anything, just the standard 18.
• 2:08:29
  Just for recovery. Runs like a nice soft shoe to
• 2:08:32
  protect my precious legs. Oh lovely, we can hear.
• 2:08:37
  Going there. We, yeah, we there in the
• 2:08:40
  backgrounds that time we. Time to end recording.
• 2:08:43
  Catch that time? Right, guys.
• 2:08:46
  I'm just looking at the at the Eagles Dean, they're getting
• 2:08:49
  beat 112 to 32. Yeah, it's good for them, the.
• 2:08:55
  Good when you at least we know when our team shit, it's the
• 2:08:58
  it's the hope that gets you and the good thing is I have little
• 2:09:01
  to no hope. You yeah, ask the other W
• 2:09:04
  Australian teams, Fremantle and there's genuinely a lot of hype
• 2:09:08
  around, you know, flag Mantle and this being the year that
• 2:09:10
  they're going to win the premiership.
• 2:09:12
  And yeah, they got done by 56 points on Friday night, so
• 2:09:16
  they're the ones you feel for. Because they they've never won
• 2:09:20
  one, have they not? No.
• 2:09:21
  So they joined the competition in 95.
• 2:09:24
  I think the Eagles were like 8687.
• 2:09:27
  So maybe less than 10 years after the Eagles.
• 2:09:29
  And Eagles have won four premierships I think pre Mantle
• 2:09:34
  0. You like to remind Dockers fans
• 2:09:36
  that they're yet to win one. Yeah, I think that's the,
• 2:09:39
  because Fremantle's like on the like a port city in Perth and
• 2:09:44
  then they mentioned what's the only ship not to dock in
• 2:09:47
  Fremantle and that's the premiership.
• 2:09:52
  Hey. I'll take that one into work
• 2:09:54
  tomorrow. That's.
• 2:09:55
  A good one. And then Owen will be seeing how
• 2:09:58
  United get on later. Our fingers crossed one.
• 2:10:02
  New look Frontline. New look frontline but it could
• 2:10:05
  be, it could be bad. Arsenal are very a very good
• 2:10:09
  team and you could get anything with United these days.
• 2:10:12
  So I take a nil nil draw. The United mentality.
• 2:10:17
  Yeah, it's changed. Let's actually end this.
• 2:10:22
  See. You next week.