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Spencer Kuvin Talks Nadia Marcinkova And The Line Between Victim And Conspirator (6/9/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. One of the most difficult parts of the
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  Jeffrey Epstein story is trying to figure out who took part,
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  who was abused, and who did both. And when it
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  comes to the Core of Four, I think they really
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  exemplify this, especially when it comes to Nadia marsen Kova.
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  I think that her case, when it comes to the
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  Core four especially is very difficult, and if the facts
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  of her circumstances are true as we know them, then
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  I think that Nadia, out of all of the Core
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  of Four, has the most legitimate argument that she's an
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  actual victim, because remember she came in and she was
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  still a child, so she was groomed, right, normalized, groomed
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  the whole thing. Now, with that said, as I've said
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  with Sarah Kellen Vickers, you can be two things at once,
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  and once you become of age, that shit kind of
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  goes out the window. Right. You have to have self
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  response ability, and the fact that nobody came forward, nobody
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  spoke to the police, or at least we didn't think
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  they did, that made it a whole lot worse. But
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  come to find out that Nadia did speak to the police.
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  Now does that absolve her of the things she allegedly did,
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  of course not, but it's certainly a step in the
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  right direction. So today we're going to talk about Nadia
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  a little bit more, and to do that, we have
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  an article from The Sun, the headline the Untold Story
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  Epstein's Lolita Express girlfriend could blow a case open after
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  learning girls and seeing pedophile sixty seven times while he
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  was in jail. The author of this article is Katie
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  Davis Nadio. Marsenkova was just a teenager when she met
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  the shame financier and went on to become his girlfriend
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  and assistant pilot of his Lolita Express Jed, I think
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  that's a bit harsh. Went on to meet Jeffrey Epstein.
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  From what we heard, Jean Luke Brunel basically purchased her
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  from her parents and brought her to Jeffrey Epstein. Now
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  that's what we've heard. We haven't heard from Nadia directly, though,
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  so take everything with a grain of salt. She was
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  Epstein's closest companion for seven years after Glenn Maxwell, who
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  was serving a twenty year prison sentence for sex trafficking,
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  but Slovakia born Marsankova, or Marchinko as they call her
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  here forty one, was also named as a potential co conspirator,
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  and a controversial plea deal that granted her immunity from
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  prosecution in two thousand and eight was that to protect
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  Epstein and the deal more than her. Probably do you
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  really think that Epstein's handlers gave a shit about Sarah
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  Kellen or anybody else? Nadia Marsenkova. Absolutely not. But they
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  couldn't have them talking, So what's the best way to
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  style me that make them part of the deal. That
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  same year, prison record show she visited Epstein sixty seven
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  times behind bars after he was jailed for soliciting sex
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  from an underage girl. Martinko's lawyer previously said she was
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  one of Epstein's victims and she has never been accused
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  of or charged with any crime, but survivors alleged she
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  participated in his abuse, allegedly in an orgy with Prince
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  Andrew too. That's what we've heard. Spencer Couven, a lawyer
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  for several of Epstein's victims, claims Marsenko possibly started off
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  as a victim but turned into an enabler and willing
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  co conspirator. Oh, she definitely started off as a victim,
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  without a doubt. That is without a doubt. Now, of course,
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  Spencer couven, he's worried about his clients, right, he has
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  to make sure he's doing the right thing, saying the
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  right thing, to make sure they get what they have
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  to get. But I think that Nadia is a different
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  kind of case. And of course that hinges on the
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  fact or the allegation that she was given to Jeffrey
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  Epstein when she was a little girl, because that would
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  mean that the grooming and the normalization lasted years. That's
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  a whole less psychological process. So I have a hard
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  time believing that she's like say Sarah kellen Vickers, who
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  came in as an adult. I think that has to
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  be differentiated, and I think that if you're punishing people,
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  that has to come into the punishment argument, right. But
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  just to be clear, I don't think it absolves her
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  of any crime, unless, of course, she gives actionable intelligence.
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  He told the son. Once she was recruited into Epstein's organization,
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  she found a home where she felt comfortable, and as
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  a result of that, she ingratiated herself to Ebstein from
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  a personal level, a sexual level, and then a business level,
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  and I think she tried to take advantage of whatever
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  she could within that organization. Very possible. I mean, look,
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  if you're around that opulence, that money, that power, it
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  has to influence you. And if you see everybody else
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  doing this shit and you see Epstein get off the
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  first time around, I say to yourself, this guy can
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  do whatever he wants. So if he wants me to
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  do this, I'm gonna do it. And I know that
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  sounds crazy to most of us, right, most of us
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  are like, yeah, right, not me, not ever. But think
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  about when you were seventeen, sixteen, whatever, especially if you
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  were a poor Now, think about if somebody was offering
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  you a couple hundred bucks to give him a massage.
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  Whole different ballgame. And when you grow up poor, you
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  know that two hundred bucks. That's a lot of money.
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  So I can see how these poor girls would keep
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  coming back. Oh, let me bring a friend, let me
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  make a couple bucks, you know, the whole thing. So
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  when people try and use that as some kind of
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  you know, excuse or reasoning to go after these girls,
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  I find it laughable. Tell me you ain't ever been
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  broke without telling me. Multiple Palm Beach police reports, in
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  civil depositions and files released by the US government suggests
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  that she helped recruit women for Epstein and claim that
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  she was a participant in epstein abuse of minors, and
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  one email to Epstein in two thousand and six, she wrote,
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  I'll try to find girls whenever we are in New York.
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  Survivors have also claimed Marsenko, who previously went by the
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  surname Marsankova, participated in Epstein's sexual activity with the young women.
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  So did Sarah Kellen Vickers. I don't think that's any
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  big surprise. We all know that. Well, the people following
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  this know that. But again, I think there's nuance here.
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  I don't think it's, you know, black and white. There's
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  certainly some gray area. In core documents recounting one Jane
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  Doe's experience at the age of fifteen, it says she
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  was taken to Epstein's home on multiple occasions. It claims
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  she was forced to mate to perform sex acts on
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  Epstein and on Nadia Marsenkova in Epstein's presence. Within the document,
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  Marsankova is also referred to as Epstein's sex slave, adding
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  Marsankova also participant in some of the second activity with
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  Epstein and young girls as noted above. Well, that's true,
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  there's a lot of allegations about Nadia being involved. However,
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  how old was Nadia when this was happening, and I
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  mean initially, not when she got older obviously. Spencer, who
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  was based in Florida, said we knew early on in
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  the Epstein investigation and this states back to two thousand
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  and six that two people were key identifiers of interest
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  in our investigation other than Epstein, and that was Nadia
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  and Sarah Kellen. Both of these individuals were heavily involved
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  in recruiting some of the young girls here in Palm
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  Beach one thousand percent. And they should have to answer
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  for it. I've been calling for that for years and
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  I'm still calling for it. They must answer for what
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  they have done. And the only way out, in my opinion,
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  is if they have intelligence that leads to arrests of
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  people higher up the chain. They would go out to
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  different events, parties, clubs and look for young girls to
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  be able to try and befriend them and then they'd
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  bring them back to the house. They would entice them
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  into the home and then train them once they got there.
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  Kellen and Leslie Groff, two of Epstein's other assistants, are
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  due to be questioned by US legislators. Kellen was already questioned,
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  but demands are being made for Marsenko and Adriana Ross,
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  another assistant, to also be quizzed. They should be the
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  core four should be brought in, sat down, put under
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  oath and talked to and let's see what they have
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  to say. And I think that if they have the
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  right thing to say and it leads to something, then
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  we should give them consideration. But if not, well they
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  can rot like everybody else. Spencer believes that Marsenko could
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  be privied of vital bombshell information on Epstein's Twisted Pyramid
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  and those involved. One hundred percent she has info. Are
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  you going to play ball with her? Though? You're going
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  to offer something to give it up, a deal, maybe
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  less time. What's it going to be because she's not
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  going to speak up willingly. I can promise you that.
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  In an email dated August ninth, twenty ten, Nadia told
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  Epstein she would be prepared to defend him in court.
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  She wrote, you hurt me too much, and I love
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  you too much to be a decent friend. I will
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  always stand up for you in the press or in
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  court and defend you if you need it. But I
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  can't spend time with you, call to chat, or be
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  part of your life anymore. Oh I wonder why. Two
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  years later, and another email to the pedophile, Marcinko said
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  that her conscience was far from clear. I do not
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  want to be with you, but it upsets me to
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  see you use the same exact patterns to seduce, manipulate,
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  and ultimately control and hurt other girls. She wrote, I
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  don't even like them, and I actually feel guilty about
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  knowing how they will end up. I know what you're
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  capable love, and I will always be protective of you
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  out of pure loyalty and stubbornness, But my conscience is
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  far from clear. Spencer said, I think certainly Nadia holds
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  a lot of key information that can be used to
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  further the investigations against other perpetrators involved people who are
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  within the organization that haven't been prosecuted yet. I would
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  ask Nadia about certain key individuals that we know appear
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  in the Epstein documents that have been disclosed to day
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  good idea, and I think she does have a lot
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  of answers. The question is is she going to play ball?
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  We know that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor appears in those documents,
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  we know that former President Bill Clinton does and more.
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  I'd like to know what information she has about those individuals,
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  where they traveled, what they did, and what she may
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  have witnessed and what she may have been involved indirectly.
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  While Epstein was serving thirteen months of an eighteen month sentence,
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  Marsenko started training at a flight school in Palm Beach,
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  which the disgraced millionaire paid tens of thousands towards. Email
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  show from twenty twelve flight record show she co piloted
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  his so called Lolita Express jet to the private island.
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  Victims say Epstein's sexually abuse them aboard the aircraft, and
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  the padded floors and bed were installed so he and
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  his associates could have sex midflight. Well, it was also
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  David Rodgers and Larry Vassoski. So if we're going after pilots,
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  my suggestion VSASKI. First, the jet ferried high profile names,
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  including ex Royal Andrew Mountbatten Windsor and former President Bill
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  Clinton both have denied any wrongdoing. It was also used
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  for sex trafficking victims, investigators say, and Virginia Roberts claims
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  she was raped on board. Since Epstein's death in prison
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  in twenty nineteen as he awaited further sex charges, Marchinko
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  has disappeared from public view. The former model pulled investigator
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  she met Epstein in two thousand and three, aged eighteen,
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  I had a birthday party of model scout and alleged
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  sex trafficker Jean lu Brunel. Marsenko said she was working
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  for an agency in Paris, and Brunell arranged a visa
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  to bring her to the US. Only a few weeks later,
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  Epstein invited Marchenko to his pom Beach mansion only a
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  few days after the party. She told investigators, so, look,
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  what's the truth. Was she eighteen or was she fifteen fourteen?
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  I think that's a pretty big deal, and I think
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  we have to get to the bottom of how old
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  she was when she was brought into the fold. She
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  also claimed that Epstein bankrolled Brunell's agency for sponsoring her visa,
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  and told investigators that Epstein could have her deported with
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  a single phone call to Brunel. Yes, immigration fraud. Eventually
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  they'll get around to talking about that too. Emails between
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  Marchenko and Epstein and the files revealed that the pair
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  wanted to start a family together, but they also show
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  that Epstein manipulated her in their relationship. Nadia told investigators
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  that the pedal financier was physically abusive, choking her and
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  throwing her down a staircase. Her cases raised questions whether
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  a victim of sexual coercion can be deemed an accomplice. Look,
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  I think it depends right. There's no easy answer here,
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  no one size fits all. But Spencer, who met Epstein
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  three times, believed she willingly helped Epstein. He said, I
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  think Nadia started off possibly as a victim, but then
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  turned into an enabler. That's why she, I believe, is
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  mentioned as a co conspirator in the sweetheart deal that
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  Epstein struck. Remember there are four people identified in that deal,
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  and Nadia and Sarah are two of the ones identified
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  in that deal that he was trying to get immunity for.
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  And he did that obviously because he knew that they
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  were identified as co conspirators in the entire operation, So
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  I think that maybe Nadia was at one point recruited
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  in as a victim, but then she turned into a
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  willing co conspirator at some point in the process. The
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  Sun reached out to Nadia for a comment. You're not
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  going to get comment from her, but I think that
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  this is one of those conversations that can go either way,
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  and I'm willing to be swayed, but I think there's
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  one thing that all of us can agree on. Nadia
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  Marsenkova certainly has a lot of information and she should
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  speak with the authorities. Will she do that or not,
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  We'll have to see, but I think it would be
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  the best thing for everybody involved, her included, especially if
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  the story is that she was brought into the fold
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  when she was underage. So we'll see what Nadia has
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  to say, if anything, and we'll see where this all goes.
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  But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
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