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Unraveling the Legacy of Pete Carroll’s USC Trojans · Sports History Network

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  The
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  University
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  of
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  Southern
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  California
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  has
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  had
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  some
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  really
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  exciting
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  eras
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  of
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  football
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  history,
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  and
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  one
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  of
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  them,
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  the
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  most
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  recent,
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  is
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  the
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  Pete
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  Carroll
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  era.
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  We're
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  going
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  how
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  the
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  ups
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  and
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  downs
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  of
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  that
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  era
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  and
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  some
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  history
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  before
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  that
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  with
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  our
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  special
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  guest
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  today.
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  Coming
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  up.
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  Hello,
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  my
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  football
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  friends.
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  This
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  is
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  Darren
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  Hayes
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  of
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  pigskindispatch.com
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  welcome
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  once
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  again
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen,
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  your
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  portal
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  to
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  positive
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  football
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  history.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  in
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  for
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  a
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  special
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  treat.
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  We're
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  going
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  football
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  out
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  on
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  the
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  west
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  coast
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  tonight
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  with
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  a
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  Times
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  News
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  award
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  winning
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  author,
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  Monty
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  Burke.
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  And
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  his
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  latest
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  book
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  is
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  out
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  Men
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  of
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  Troy
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  the
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  Epic
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  Afternoons,
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  Wild
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  Nights
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  and
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  Enduring
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  Legacy
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  of
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  Pete
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  Carroll's
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  USC
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  Trojans.
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  Monty
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  Burke,
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Hey,
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  thanks,
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  thanks
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  for
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  having
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  me
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  here.
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  Yeah.
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  Monty,
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  this
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  is
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  a
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  book.
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  I
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  just
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  got
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  done
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  reading
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  this
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  and
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  What
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  a
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  book.
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  I
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  mean,
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  not
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  only
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  are
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  you
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  telling
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  the
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  story
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  of
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  Pete
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  Carroll
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  at
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  ufc,
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  just
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  like
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  the
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  title
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  reads,
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  but
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  the
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  history
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  that
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  you're
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  going
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  into,
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  which,
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  you
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  know,
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  us
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  here
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  at
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  Pixkin
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  Dispatch
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  and
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  our
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  fans,
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  you
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  know,
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  that's
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  what
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  we
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  really
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  get
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  into
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  it.
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  And
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  you
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  cover
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  both.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  really,
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  really
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  great
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  book.
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  I
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  love,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  did
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  that
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  sort
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  of
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  selfishly
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  because
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  I
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  loved
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  researching
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  all
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  this
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  stuff.
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  I
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  like
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  to
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  know,
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  like,
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  you
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  know,
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  how
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  college
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  football
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  started,
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  where
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  the
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  first
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  games
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  were.
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  It,
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  it's
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  funny
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  because
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  it
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  had
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  kind
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  of
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  a
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  manifest
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  destiny,
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  sort
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  of
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  like
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  the
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  country
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  did,
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  right?
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  It
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  started
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  in
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  the
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  northeast
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  and
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  went
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  a
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  little
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  south
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  and
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  then
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  it
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  went
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  west
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  anchor
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  school
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  out
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  there
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  was
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  and
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  always
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  has
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  been
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  usc.
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  So
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  I
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  love
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  kind
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  of
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  tracing
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  it
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  up
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  to
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  like,
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  you
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  know,
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  how
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  does
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  USC
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  get
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  a
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  football
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  team?
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  When
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  does
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  Notre
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  Dame
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  go
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  out
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  there
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  for
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  the
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  first
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  time,
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  you
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  know,
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  who
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  founded
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  the
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  college
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  of
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  usc,
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  you
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  know,
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  how
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  they
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  get
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  the
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  mascot
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  name,
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  all
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  stuff.
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  So
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  it
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  was
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  so
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  fun.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  I,
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  I
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  did
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  not
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  know
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  that
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  story,
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  how
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  they
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  became
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  the
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  Trojans.
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  But
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  yeah,
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  that,
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  that
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  was
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  a
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  great,
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  great
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  piece
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  you
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  had
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  in
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  there.
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  But
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  you,
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  you
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  got
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  me
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  right
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  from
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  the
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  drop.
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  You
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  know,
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  your
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  introduction,
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  you
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  know,
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  I,
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  I
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  always
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  say,
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  you
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  know,
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  a
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  great
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  piece
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  of
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  art
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  is,
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  you
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  know,
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  something
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  that
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  stokes
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  emotion,
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  whether
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  it
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  be
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  music
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  or
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  a
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  painting
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  or
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  sculpture
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  or
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  literary.
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  And
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  you
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  took
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  me
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  into
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  that
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  2006
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  national
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  championship
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  game
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  against
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  Texas
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  and
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  I
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  had
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  emotions
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  of
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  me
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  sitting
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  on
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  the
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  edge
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  of
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  my
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  couch
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  and
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  I
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  didn't
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  have
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  rooting
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  interest
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  in
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  either
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  team,
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  but
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  I
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  just
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  love
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  watching
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  football
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  and
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  I
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  was
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  like
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  quite
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  a
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  game
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  and
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  you
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  took
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  me
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  right
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  there
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  again.
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  Great
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  way
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  to
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  start.
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  I
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  love
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  that.
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  I
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  love
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  that
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  lead.
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  I
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  knew
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  I
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  probably
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  have
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  to
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  lead
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  with
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  that
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  game
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  since
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  it's
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  sort
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  of
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  some
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  people
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  consider
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  the
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  greatest
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  title
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  game
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  ever
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  played.
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  You
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  know,
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  it
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  was.
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  USC
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  was
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  pretty
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  much
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  six
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  inches
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  away
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  from
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  winning
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  three
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  national
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  titles
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  in
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  a
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  row.
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  So,
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  you
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  know,
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  if,
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  if
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  Lindell
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  White
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  had
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  converted,
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  converted
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  in
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  fourth
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  down,
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  so
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  they
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  were
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  like
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  that
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  far
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  away
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  from
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  immortality.
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  So
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  I,
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  I
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  sort
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  of
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  figured,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  need
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  to
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  start
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  there
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  and
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  then
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  I'll
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  go
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  back
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  and
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  trace
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  some
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  more
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  history.
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  But
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  that
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  the
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  actual
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  sort
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  of
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  lead,
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  what
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  Carol
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  and
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  I
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  won't
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  spoil
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  it
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  here,
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  but
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  what
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  Carol
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  kind
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  of
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  says
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  at
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  the,
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  at
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  the
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  bottom
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  of
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  the
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  first
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  part
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  of
• 3:54
  the
• 3:54
  lead
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  there
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  plopped
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  in
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  my
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  lap,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  mean,
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  that's
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  when
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  you
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  interview.
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  I
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  interviewed
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  a
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  ton
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  and
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  ton,
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  a
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  ton
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  of
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  different
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  players.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  wasn't
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  necessarily
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  asking
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  this
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  guy
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  like
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  what
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  Carol
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  said
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  or
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  whatever,
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  but
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  he
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  in
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  course
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  our
• 4:07
  two
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  hour
• 4:07
  interview,
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  he
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  just
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  was
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  like,
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  oh.
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  And
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  I
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  went
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  over
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  on
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  the
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  sidelines
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  and
• 4:10
  he
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  said,
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  so
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  anyway,
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  I
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  love
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  that
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  to
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  me,
• 4:13
  leads
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  in
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  movies
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  or
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  books
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  or
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  even
• 4:16
  music,
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  like,
• 4:17
  you
• 4:17
  got
• 4:17
  to
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  love
• 4:18
  it.
• 4:18
  You
• 4:18
  got
• 4:18
  to
• 4:18
  get
• 4:18
  hooked
• 4:18
  right
• 4:18
  from
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  beginning.
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  And
• 4:19
  then,
• 4:19
  and
• 4:20
  then
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  want
• 4:20
  to
• 4:20
  make
• 4:20
  people
• 4:20
  keep
• 4:21
  turning
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  pages,
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  but,
• 4:22
  you
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  know,
• 4:22
  if
• 4:22
  you
• 4:22
  don't
• 4:22
  get
• 4:22
  them
• 4:23
  in
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  first
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  20
• 4:23
  pages
• 4:24
  or
• 4:24
  something
• 4:24
  like
• 4:24
  that,
• 4:24
  you're.
• 4:25
  You
• 4:25
  could
• 4:25
  be
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  trouble.
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  Yeah,
• 4:27
  most
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  definitely.
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  But
• 4:28
  you,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:29
  definitely
• 4:29
  did
• 4:29
  that
• 4:30
  put
• 4:30
  a
• 4:30
  check
• 4:30
  mark
• 4:31
  there.
• 4:31
  You
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  definitely
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  did
• 4:32
  that
• 4:32
  for
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  this.
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  Definitely.
• 4:34
  Yeah.
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  So,
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  but,
• 4:36
  you
• 4:36
  know,
• 4:36
  so
• 4:36
  we,
• 4:37
  we
• 4:37
  know
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  Pete
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  Carroll,
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  know,
• 4:39
  until
• 4:39
  recently,
• 4:39
  you
• 4:40
  know,
• 4:40
  his
• 4:40
  time
• 4:40
  with
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  Raiders,
• 4:41
  not,
• 4:42
  not
• 4:42
  so
• 4:42
  good.
• 4:42
  You
• 4:42
  know,
• 4:42
  just
• 4:43
  recently
• 4:43
  was
• 4:43
  fired
• 4:44
  with
• 4:44
  them
• 4:44
  after
• 4:44
  one
• 4:44
  year.
• 4:45
  But
• 4:45
  he
• 4:46
  had
• 4:46
  sort
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  an
• 4:46
  auspicious
• 4:47
  start
• 4:47
  before
• 4:48
  he
• 4:48
  had
• 4:48
  greatness
• 4:48
  with
• 4:49
  USC
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  later
• 4:50
  on
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  NFL.
• 4:50
  Maybe
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  could
• 4:51
  just
• 4:51
  go
• 4:51
  over
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  little
• 4:52
  bit
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  how
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  lead
• 4:54
  in.
• 4:55
  So
• 4:55
  he's
• 4:56
  such
• 4:56
  an
• 4:56
  interesting
• 4:56
  guy.
• 4:56
  I
• 4:57
  mean,
• 4:57
  I
• 4:57
  wrote
• 4:57
  another
• 4:58
  book
• 4:58
  about
• 4:58
  Nick
• 4:58
  Saban.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  what
• 4:59
  was
• 4:59
  interesting
• 4:59
  about
• 4:59
  this
• 5:00
  book
• 5:00
  is
• 5:00
  because
• 5:00
  Pete
• 5:00
  is.
• 5:00
  Pete's
• 5:01
  pretty
• 5:01
  much
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  polar
• 5:02
  opposite
• 5:03
  in
• 5:03
  philosophy.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:04
  he's
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  kid
• 5:04
  who
• 5:04
  grows
• 5:05
  up
• 5:05
  in
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  Bay
• 5:05
  Area,
• 5:05
  San
• 5:06
  Francisco.
• 5:06
  He's
• 5:06
  very
• 5:07
  influenced
• 5:07
  by
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  Summer
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  Love.
• 5:09
  You
• 5:09
  know,
• 5:09
  he
• 5:09
  studies
• 5:09
  psychology,
• 5:10
  kind
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  gets
• 5:11
  into
• 5:11
  Far
• 5:11
  Eastern
• 5:12
  mysticism
• 5:12
  and
• 5:12
  all
• 5:12
  this
• 5:12
  sort
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  stuff.
• 5:13
  And
• 5:13
  very
• 5:13
  early
• 5:14
  on
• 5:14
  he
• 5:14
  decides
• 5:15
  he's
• 5:15
  going
• 5:15
  to
• 5:15
  be
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  players
• 5:16
  coach,
• 5:16
  which,
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  know,
• 5:17
  at
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  time
• 5:18
  in
• 5:18
  particular
• 5:19
  was
• 5:19
  an
• 5:19
  incredibly
• 5:19
  derogatory
• 5:20
  term.
• 5:21
  He
• 5:22
  was
• 5:22
  a
• 5:22
  defensive
• 5:22
  genius.
• 5:23
  A
• 5:23
  lot
• 5:23
  like
• 5:23
  Nick
• 5:23
  Saban,
• 5:24
  actually,
• 5:24
  in
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  they
• 5:24
  both
• 5:25
  were
• 5:25
  undersized
• 5:26
  safeties
• 5:26
  in
• 5:27
  college
• 5:27
  who
• 5:27
  wanted
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  play
• 5:28
  pros
• 5:28
  but
• 5:28
  didn't
• 5:29
  make
• 5:29
  it.
• 5:30
  So
• 5:30
  he
• 5:30
  kind
• 5:30
  of
• 5:31
  channeled
• 5:31
  all
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  energy
• 5:31
  into
• 5:32
  coaching.
• 5:32
  Defensive
• 5:33
  genius,
• 5:33
  has
• 5:34
  a
• 5:34
  couple
• 5:34
  defensive
• 5:34
  coordinator
• 5:35
  jobs,
• 5:35
  gets
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  jets
• 5:36
  coaches
• 5:37
  there
• 5:37
  for
• 5:37
  one
• 5:37
  year.
• 5:38
  It's
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  disaster.
• 5:39
  You
• 5:40
  know,
• 5:40
  the
• 5:40
  first
• 5:40
  thing
• 5:40
  at
• 5:40
  the
• 5:40
  first
• 5:41
  press
• 5:41
  conference,
• 5:41
  he
• 5:41
  says,
• 5:42
  you
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:42
  there'll
• 5:42
  be
• 5:42
  no
• 5:42
  rules.
• 5:43
  And
• 5:43
  the
• 5:43
  jets
• 5:44
  owner,
• 5:44
  one
• 5:44
  of
• 5:44
  my
• 5:44
  favorite
• 5:45
  scenes
• 5:45
  in
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  book.
• 5:45
  Jets
• 5:45
  owner
• 5:46
  sitting
• 5:46
  there
• 5:46
  with
• 5:46
  his
• 5:46
  arms
• 5:46
  crossed,
• 5:47
  and
• 5:47
  he
• 5:47
  kind
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  rolls
• 5:48
  his
• 5:48
  eyes
• 5:48
  like,
• 5:48
  what
• 5:49
  the.
• 5:49
  What
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  heck
• 5:49
  have
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  gotten
• 5:50
  into
• 5:50
  here?
• 5:51
  So
• 5:51
  go
• 5:51
  6
• 5:52
  and
• 5:52
  10
• 5:52
  that
• 5:52
  year.
• 5:52
  Gets
• 5:53
  fired
• 5:53
  after
• 5:53
  a
• 5:53
  year,
• 5:54
  takes
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  couple
• 5:55
  years
• 5:55
  out
• 5:55
  with
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  49ers
• 5:56
  as
• 5:56
  the.
• 5:56
  As
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  defensive
• 5:57
  coordinator,
• 5:57
  then
• 5:57
  gets
• 5:57
  hired
• 5:58
  by
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  Patriots,
• 5:59
  lasts
• 5:59
  there
• 5:59
  for
• 5:59
  three
• 6:00
  years.
• 6:00
  Every
• 6:00
  year,
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  record
• 6:01
  kind
• 6:01
  of
• 6:01
  declines
• 6:02
  again.
• 6:03
  His
• 6:03
  problem
• 6:03
  was,
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  know,
• 6:06
  he.
• 6:06
  He
• 6:06
  had
• 6:07
  this.
• 6:07
  He
• 6:07
  had
• 6:07
  a
• 6:08
  good
• 6:08
  idea
• 6:08
  for
• 6:09
  being
• 6:09
  an
• 6:09
  unorthodox,
• 6:10
  Unorthodox
• 6:11
  coach.
• 6:11
  Like,
• 6:11
  you
• 6:12
  know,
• 6:12
  have
• 6:13
  some
• 6:13
  psychology
• 6:14
  involved.
• 6:14
  Most
• 6:15
  of
• 6:15
  all,
• 6:15
  have
• 6:15
  it
• 6:15
  be
• 6:15
  fun.
• 6:16
  That
• 6:16
  was
• 6:16
  his
• 6:16
  kind
• 6:16
  of
• 6:17
  thing.
• 6:17
  He
• 6:17
  thought
• 6:17
  that,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  if
• 6:17
  it
• 6:18
  was
• 6:18
  fun,
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  you
• 6:18
  get
• 6:18
  your
• 6:19
  peak
• 6:19
  performance
• 6:19
  out
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  everybody.
• 6:20
  They
• 6:20
  get
• 6:20
  creative
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  they
• 6:21
  get,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:21
  know,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:22
  get
• 6:22
  their
• 6:22
  peak
• 6:22
  performance,
• 6:22
  basically.
• 6:23
  So
• 6:23
  what
• 6:24
  he
• 6:24
  didn't
• 6:24
  have
• 6:24
  was
• 6:24
  any
• 6:25
  kind
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  discipline
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  rules
• 6:26
  all
• 6:26
  around
• 6:26
  that.
• 6:26
  So
• 6:27
  that's
• 6:27
  why
• 6:27
  he
• 6:27
  failed
• 6:27
  as
• 6:28
  an
• 6:28
  NFL
• 6:28
  coach.
• 6:29
  He
• 6:29
  was
• 6:29
  so
• 6:30
  kind
• 6:30
  of
• 6:30
  off
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  radar
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  he
• 6:31
  had
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  spend
• 6:31
  an
• 6:31
  entire
• 6:32
  year
• 6:33
  out
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  football
• 6:33
  because
• 6:34
  no
• 6:34
  one
• 6:34
  hired
• 6:34
  him.
• 6:35
  And
• 6:35
  so,
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  know,
• 6:36
  here
• 6:36
  he
• 6:36
  is,
• 6:37
  this
• 6:37
  guy,
• 6:38
  fired
• 6:38
  twice
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  year
• 6:39
  out
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  football,
• 6:40
  probably
• 6:40
  down
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  his
• 6:41
  last
• 6:41
  strike.
• 6:41
  If
• 6:41
  you
• 6:41
  get
• 6:42
  fired
• 6:42
  three
• 6:42
  times
• 6:42
  within
• 6:43
  a
• 6:43
  short,
• 6:43
  you
• 6:43
  know,
• 6:44
  window
• 6:44
  there,
• 6:45
  your
• 6:45
  days
• 6:45
  as
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  head
• 6:45
  coach
• 6:46
  are
• 6:46
  probably
• 6:46
  over.
• 6:46
  You're
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  coordinator
• 6:47
  for
• 6:47
  life.
• 6:47
  So,
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  know,
• 6:48
  here
• 6:49
  he
• 6:49
  is.
• 6:49
  And
• 6:50
  usc,
• 6:51
  on
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  other
• 6:51
  hand,
• 6:51
  is
• 6:51
  this
• 6:52
  storied
• 6:52
  program,
• 6:53
  which
• 6:53
  is,
• 6:53
  in
• 6:53
  reality,
• 6:54
  gone
• 6:54
  through
• 6:54
  at
• 6:54
  this
• 6:54
  point
• 6:55
  about
• 6:55
  two
• 6:55
  decades
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  just
• 6:56
  not
• 6:56
  being
• 6:57
  relevant
• 6:57
  nationally.
• 6:57
  Just
• 6:58
  not
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  good
• 6:58
  team.
• 6:59
  That.
• 6:59
  And,
• 7:00
  you
• 7:00
  know,
• 7:00
  they
• 7:01
  offered
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  job
• 7:02
  to
• 7:03
  1,
• 7:03
  2,
• 7:03
  3,
• 7:04
  maybe
• 7:04
  even
• 7:05
  4
• 7:05
  people
• 7:06
  before
• 7:06
  they
• 7:06
  got
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  Carol,
• 7:07
  depending
• 7:07
  on
• 7:07
  how
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  talk
• 7:07
  to.
• 7:08
  So
• 7:09
  finally
• 7:09
  get
• 7:10
  a
• 7:10
  guy
• 7:10
  because
• 7:10
  no
• 7:11
  one
• 7:11
  else
• 7:11
  wants
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  job,
• 7:11
  and
• 7:12
  then
• 7:12
  he
• 7:12
  gets
• 7:12
  hired
• 7:13
  there.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  people
• 7:14
  just
• 7:14
  go
• 7:14
  berserk.
• 7:15
  The
• 7:15
  alums,
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  boosters,
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  administrators,
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  fans,
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  LA
• 7:19
  media,
• 7:20
  they
• 7:20
  just
• 7:20
  go,
• 7:20
  like,
• 7:20
  why
• 7:20
  did
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  hire
• 7:21
  this
• 7:21
  guy?
• 7:21
  He's
• 7:22
  been
• 7:22
  fired
• 7:22
  twice.
• 7:22
  He
• 7:22
  hasn't
• 7:23
  been
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  College
• 7:23
  for
• 7:23
  15
• 7:23
  years.
• 7:24
  All
• 7:24
  this
• 7:24
  kind
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  stuff.
• 7:24
  So
• 7:25
  rough
• 7:25
  beginning
• 7:26
  there,
• 7:26
  then
• 7:26
  has
• 7:26
  a
• 7:26
  really
• 7:27
  rough
• 7:27
  start
• 7:27
  to
• 7:27
  his
• 7:27
  first
• 7:27
  year,
• 7:28
  goes
• 7:28
  one
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  four.
• 7:29
  And,
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  know,
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  Mean,
• 7:30
  people
• 7:30
  are
• 7:30
  ready
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  rip
• 7:31
  everybody's
• 7:32
  head
• 7:32
  off
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  then
• 7:33
  it
• 7:33
  just
• 7:34
  turns
• 7:34
  around.
• 7:34
  You
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:34
  he,
• 7:35
  he,
• 7:35
  he,
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  style,
• 7:37
  that
• 7:37
  unorthodox
• 7:38
  style.
• 7:38
  He
• 7:38
  had
• 7:39
  really
• 7:39
  worked
• 7:40
  with
• 7:40
  college
• 7:40
  kids.
• 7:41
  It
• 7:41
  was
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  great
• 7:41
  place
• 7:41
  to
• 7:42
  test
• 7:42
  it.
• 7:43
  You
• 7:43
  know,
• 7:43
  these
• 7:43
  are
• 7:43
  impressionable
• 7:44
  younger
• 7:44
  kids.
• 7:45
  They
• 7:45
  are
• 7:46
  at
• 7:47
  that
• 7:47
  point
• 7:47
  were
• 7:47
  a
• 7:48
  captive
• 7:48
  audience
• 7:48
  for
• 7:48
  three
• 7:49
  or
• 7:49
  four
• 7:49
  years.
• 7:49
  They're
• 7:49
  not
• 7:49
  that
• 7:50
  anymore,
• 7:50
  but
• 7:50
  they
• 7:50
  were
• 7:51
  then.
• 7:52
  And
• 7:52
  he
• 7:52
  really
• 7:52
  turned
• 7:53
  it
• 7:53
  around.
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  mean,
• 7:53
  it
• 7:53
  helped.
• 7:53
  He
• 7:54
  had
• 7:54
  some
• 7:54
  good
• 7:54
  building
• 7:54
  blocks
• 7:54
  there
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  Carson
• 7:55
  Palmer
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  Troy
• 7:56
  Palamalu,
• 7:56
  but
• 7:57
  guys
• 7:57
  graduated.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  here
• 7:58
  we
• 7:58
  have
• 7:58
  Matt
• 7:59
  Leiner
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  Reggie
• 7:59
  Bush
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  Lindell
• 8:00
  White
• 8:00
  and
• 8:01
  two
• 8:01
  championships
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  row.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  then
• 8:03
  like
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  said
• 8:03
  that,
• 8:03
  you
• 8:04
  know,
• 8:04
  literally
• 8:04
  six
• 8:04
  inches
• 8:05
  away
• 8:05
  from,
• 8:05
  from
• 8:06
  icing
• 8:06
  that
• 8:07
  game
• 8:07
  to
• 8:07
  go
• 8:07
  three
• 8:07
  in
• 8:07
  a
• 8:08
  row,
• 8:08
  three
• 8:08
  titles
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  row,
• 8:09
  which
• 8:09
  no
• 8:09
  one's
• 8:09
  ever
• 8:09
  done
• 8:10
  in
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  modern
• 8:10
  era.
• 8:11
  And
• 8:12
  just
• 8:12
  created
• 8:12
  this,
• 8:13
  this
• 8:13
  incredible
• 8:14
  vibe
• 8:14
  out
• 8:14
  there
• 8:14
  too.
• 8:15
  I
• 8:15
  mean,
• 8:15
  it
• 8:15
  was
• 8:15
  like
• 8:15
  there
• 8:15
  were
• 8:15
  no
• 8:15
  NFL
• 8:16
  teams
• 8:16
  then
• 8:17
  in,
• 8:17
  in
• 8:17
  la
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  you
• 8:18
  know,
• 8:19
  LA
• 8:19
  folks,
• 8:20
  business
• 8:21
  people
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  celebrities
• 8:22
  that
• 8:22
  love
• 8:22
  winners.
• 8:23
  USC
• 8:23
  started
• 8:24
  winning.
• 8:24
  The
• 8:24
  next
• 8:25
  thing
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  know,
• 8:25
  all
• 8:25
  these
• 8:25
  celebrities
• 8:26
  are
• 8:26
  flocking
• 8:27
  there.
• 8:27
  Carol,
• 8:27
  unlike
• 8:28
  other
• 8:28
  coaches,
• 8:28
  had
• 8:29
  totally
• 8:29
  open
• 8:29
  practices.
• 8:30
  He
• 8:30
  didn't
• 8:30
  care
• 8:30
  who
• 8:30
  came.
• 8:30
  You
• 8:31
  could
• 8:31
  have
• 8:31
  a
• 8:31
  scout
• 8:31
  from
• 8:31
  other
• 8:31
  team,
• 8:32
  he
• 8:32
  didn't
• 8:32
  care.
• 8:33
  But
• 8:33
  you
• 8:34
  know,
• 8:34
  all
• 8:34
  of
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  sudden
• 8:34
  at
• 8:34
  games
• 8:34
  you'd
• 8:35
  have
• 8:35
  Arnold
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  Will
• 8:37
  Ferrell
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  Snoop
• 8:38
  Dogg
• 8:38
  and
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  Fonz
• 8:38
  and
• 8:39
  stuff
• 8:39
  like
• 8:39
  that.
• 8:39
  But
• 8:39
  also
• 8:39
  they
• 8:39
  came
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  practices
• 8:40
  as
• 8:40
  well.
• 8:41
  So
• 8:41
  it
• 8:41
  was
• 8:41
  like
• 8:41
  this,
• 8:41
  this,
• 8:42
  this
• 8:42
  crazy,
• 8:43
  unique
• 8:43
  time
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  had
• 8:45
  never
• 8:45
  happened
• 8:45
  before
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  I'm
• 8:46
  pretty
• 8:47
  sure
• 8:47
  it's
• 8:47
  never
• 8:47
  going
• 8:47
  to
• 8:47
  happen
• 8:48
  again
• 8:48
  because
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  NCAA
• 8:49
  shut
• 8:50
  it
• 8:50
  down
• 8:50
  so
• 8:50
  hard.
• 8:50
  But
• 8:50
  it
• 8:51
  was
• 8:51
  like.
• 8:51
  So
• 8:51
  to
• 8:52
  me,
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  what
• 8:52
  was
• 8:53
  super
• 8:53
  intriguing
• 8:53
  about,
• 8:54
  about
• 8:54
  writing
• 8:54
  this
• 8:55
  book.
• 8:56
  Yeah,
• 8:56
  it's
• 8:57
  kind
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  interesting
• 8:57
  that
• 8:58
  he
• 8:58
  rose
• 8:59
  so
• 8:59
  quickly.
• 8:59
  You
• 9:00
  know,
• 9:00
  this
• 9:00
  is
• 9:00
  a
• 9:00
  time
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  like
• 9:01
  stoic
• 9:02
  coaches
• 9:02
  having
• 9:03
  success
• 9:03
  like,
• 9:03
  you
• 9:03
  know,
• 9:04
  Trestle
• 9:04
  and,
• 9:04
  and
• 9:05
  Sabin.
• 9:06
  And
• 9:06
  then
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  got
• 9:06
  Pete
• 9:07
  Carroll
• 9:07
  come
• 9:07
  in
• 9:07
  this
• 9:08
  failure
• 9:08
  in
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  NFL
• 9:09
  and
• 9:10
  comes
• 9:10
  in
• 9:10
  and
• 9:10
  just,
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  know,
• 9:11
  blows
• 9:11
  it
• 9:12
  up
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  really
• 9:13
  takes
• 9:13
  over
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  NCAA
• 9:14
  by,
• 9:14
  by
• 9:14
  command.
• 9:15
  You
• 9:15
  know,
• 9:15
  almost
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  three
• 9:16
  peat.
• 9:16
  You
• 9:16
  know,
• 9:17
  they
• 9:17
  captured
• 9:18
  the,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  know,
• 9:18
  not
• 9:19
  only
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  city
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  Los
• 9:19
  Angeles,
• 9:20
  but
• 9:20
  they
• 9:20
  kind
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  hijacked
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  sport
• 9:21
  there
• 9:21
  for
• 9:21
  a
• 9:21
  little
• 9:21
  while.
• 9:21
  I
• 9:22
  mean,
• 9:22
  they
• 9:22
  were
• 9:22
  it,
• 9:23
  you
• 9:23
  know,
• 9:23
  and
• 9:23
  what
• 9:23
  was
• 9:24
  cool
• 9:24
  too
• 9:24
  is
• 9:25
  he
• 9:25
  sort
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  reestablished
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  me,
• 9:26
  sort
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  reestablished
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  PAC12.
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  mean,
• 9:28
  when
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  was
• 9:29
  those
• 9:29
  years
• 9:29
  before
• 9:30
  that,
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  remember
• 9:30
  watching,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  Click
• 9:31
  on
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  Pack
• 9:32
  12
• 9:32
  game
• 9:32
  at
• 9:33
  11
• 9:33
  o'
• 9:33
  clock
• 9:33
  at
• 9:34
  night
• 9:34
  here
• 9:34
  on
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  east
• 9:34
  coast
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  were
• 9:35
  guaranteed
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  have
• 9:36
  fun
• 9:36
  because
• 9:37
  there
• 9:37
  was
• 9:37
  no
• 9:37
  defense
• 9:37
  right
• 9:37
  it
• 9:38
  was
• 9:38
  just
• 9:38
  guys
• 9:38
  slinging
• 9:38
  it
• 9:38
  all
• 9:39
  over
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  place.
• 9:39
  It
• 9:39
  was
• 9:39
  really
• 9:39
  fun.
• 9:39
  So
• 9:40
  he
• 9:40
  brought
• 9:40
  this
• 9:40
  sort
• 9:40
  of,
• 9:41
  you
• 9:41
  know,
• 9:41
  not
• 9:41
  only
• 9:41
  was
• 9:42
  he
• 9:42
  this
• 9:42
  great
• 9:42
  recruiter,
• 9:43
  he
• 9:44
  was
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  naturally
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  good
• 9:44
  recruiter.
• 9:45
  But
• 9:45
  once
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  star
• 9:46
  show
• 9:46
  started
• 9:46
  showing
• 9:47
  up,
• 9:47
  like,
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  know,
• 9:47
  I
• 9:48
  talked
• 9:48
  to
• 9:48
  a
• 9:48
  couple
• 9:48
  guys
• 9:48
  who
• 9:49
  were
• 9:49
  in
• 9:49
  high
• 9:49
  school
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  they'd
• 9:49
  like,
• 9:50
  yeah,
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  visited
• 9:50
  and
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  met
• 9:51
  Snoop
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  was
• 9:51
  like,
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  was
• 9:51
  going
• 9:52
  to
• 9:52
  usc,
• 9:52
  right?
• 9:53
  So
• 9:53
  he
• 9:53
  recruited
• 9:54
  really
• 9:54
  well
• 9:54
  too,
• 9:54
  but
• 9:54
  he
• 9:55
  brought
• 9:55
  this
• 9:55
  kind
• 9:56
  of
• 9:56
  defense.
• 9:56
  I
• 9:57
  mean,
• 9:57
  they
• 9:57
  had
• 9:57
  some
• 9:57
  great
• 9:57
  defense.
• 9:58
  We
• 9:58
  forget,
• 9:59
  you
• 9:59
  know,
• 9:59
  they
• 9:59
  had
• 9:59
  one
• 9:59
  team
• 9:59
  where
• 10:00
  they
• 10:00
  had
• 10:00
  Cushing,
• 10:01
  Brian
• 10:01
  Cushing
• 10:01
  and
• 10:01
  Clay
• 10:02
  Matthews
• 10:02
  III
• 10:02
  on,
• 10:03
  on
• 10:03
  the
• 10:03
  same
• 10:03
  team
• 10:03
  in
• 10:03
  the
• 10:04
  linebacking
• 10:04
  corps.
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  mean,
• 10:05
  they
• 10:05
  had
• 10:05
  some
• 10:05
  pretty
• 10:06
  incredible
• 10:06
  defenses.
• 10:07
  So
• 10:07
  in
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  way,
• 10:08
  USC
• 10:08
  was
• 10:09
  kind
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  rising
• 10:09
  tide
• 10:09
  that
• 10:10
  lifted
• 10:10
  all
• 10:10
  boats.
• 10:10
  You
• 10:11
  know,
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  mean,
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  PAC
• 10:12
  12
• 10:12
  had
• 10:12
  to,
• 10:12
  once
• 10:13
  he
• 10:13
  whipped
• 10:13
  their
• 10:13
  butts
• 10:14
  for
• 10:14
  four
• 10:14
  or
• 10:14
  five
• 10:14
  years,
• 10:15
  these,
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  other
• 10:16
  schools
• 10:16
  kind
• 10:16
  of,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:17
  got
• 10:17
  their
• 10:17
  act
• 10:18
  together
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  you
• 10:18
  know,
• 10:19
  Stanford
• 10:19
  hired
• 10:20
  Jim
• 10:20
  Harbaugh,
• 10:21
  Oregon
• 10:21
  got
• 10:21
  it
• 10:22
  going
• 10:22
  with,
• 10:22
  with
• 10:22
  Chip
• 10:22
  Kelly.
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  mean,
• 10:23
  he
• 10:23
  really,
• 10:23
  it
• 10:24
  really
• 10:24
  rose
• 10:24
  the
• 10:25
  whole
• 10:25
  level
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  PAC
• 10:25
  12.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  then
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  felt,
• 10:26
  I
• 10:27
  feel
• 10:27
  like
• 10:27
  when
• 10:27
  the
• 10:28
  sanctions
• 10:28
  hit,
• 10:29
  which
• 10:29
  usc,
• 10:29
  by
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  way,
• 10:30
  has
• 10:30
  not
• 10:30
  recovered
• 10:31
  from
• 10:31
  still.
• 10:31
  We're
• 10:31
  almost
• 10:31
  20
• 10:32
  years
• 10:32
  out
• 10:32
  now
• 10:32
  and
• 10:33
  they're
• 10:33
  still
• 10:33
  not
• 10:33
  really
• 10:33
  now.
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  mean,
• 10:34
  they
• 10:34
  had
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  decent
• 10:34
  year
• 10:35
  last
• 10:35
  year.
• 10:35
  Maybe
• 10:36
  they're
• 10:36
  on
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  cusp
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  doing
• 10:37
  something,
• 10:37
  I
• 10:37
  don't
• 10:37
  know.
• 10:37
  But
• 10:37
  they
• 10:37
  haven't
• 10:38
  been
• 10:38
  nationally
• 10:38
  relevant
• 10:38
  really
• 10:39
  since
• 10:39
  then.
• 10:40
  You
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:40
  when
• 10:40
  that
• 10:41
  Tide
• 10:41
  went
• 10:41
  out
• 10:41
  and
• 10:42
  USC
• 10:42
  sunk,
• 10:43
  they
• 10:43
  were
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  anchor
• 10:43
  program
• 10:44
  out
• 10:44
  there.
• 10:44
  Right.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:44
  so
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  whole
• 10:47
  conference
• 10:47
  suffered.
• 10:48
  And
• 10:48
  to
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  certain
• 10:48
  degree,
• 10:48
  I
• 10:49
  think
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  can,
• 10:49
  like
• 10:49
  there's
• 10:49
  a
• 10:50
  thin
• 10:50
  thread
• 10:50
  needle
• 10:51
  there
• 10:51
  where
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  can
• 10:51
  look
• 10:52
  at
• 10:52
  the
• 10:52
  demise
• 10:52
  of
• 10:53
  USC
• 10:54
  and
• 10:54
  how
• 10:54
  it's
• 10:55
  connected
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  the
• 10:56
  device
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  PAC
• 10:56
  12.
• 10:58
  Yeah,
• 10:58
  I,
• 10:58
  I
• 10:59
  loved
• 10:59
  how
• 10:59
  you
• 10:59
  alluded
• 11:00
  to
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  throughout
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  book
• 11:01
  of,
• 11:02
  you
• 11:02
  know,
• 11:02
  it
• 11:02
  rising
• 11:03
  up
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  then
• 11:03
  it,
• 11:03
  when
• 11:04
  that
• 11:04
  ship
• 11:04
  sinks,
• 11:05
  the,
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  whole
• 11:05
  PAC12
• 11:06
  started
• 11:06
  sinking.
• 11:07
  So
• 11:07
  a
• 11:07
  very,
• 11:08
  very
• 11:08
  interesting
• 11:08
  parallel
• 11:09
  you
• 11:09
  had
• 11:09
  there,
• 11:09
  but
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  go
• 11:10
  into
• 11:11
  some
• 11:11
  detail
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  some,
• 11:13
  some
• 11:13
  football
• 11:13
  history
• 11:14
  that's
• 11:14
  more
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  a
• 11:15
  modern
• 11:15
  time,
• 11:15
  you
• 11:15
  know,
• 11:16
  including
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  gentleman
• 11:18
  end
• 11:18
  up
• 11:18
  hiring
• 11:19
  Pete
• 11:20
  Carroll,
• 11:20
  who
• 11:20
  was
• 11:20
  a
• 11:21
  USC
• 11:21
  star
• 11:21
  himself.
• 11:22
  So
• 11:22
  maybe
• 11:22
  you
• 11:22
  could
• 11:22
  tell
• 11:22
  us
• 11:22
  a
• 11:23
  little
• 11:23
  bit
• 11:23
  about
• 11:23
  that.
• 11:24
  Yeah,
• 11:24
  so
• 11:24
  that
• 11:24
  was
• 11:24
  Mike
• 11:25
  Garrett,
• 11:25
  who
• 11:25
  was
• 11:25
  USC's
• 11:26
  first
• 11:26
  Heisman
• 11:27
  winner.
• 11:27
  He
• 11:27
  was
• 11:28
  a
• 11:28
  real
• 11:28
  hero
• 11:28
  back
• 11:28
  in
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  60s.
• 11:29
  He
• 11:29
  was
• 11:29
  this
• 11:29
  hard
• 11:30
  nosed,
• 11:30
  you
• 11:31
  know,
• 11:31
  he's
• 11:31
  one
• 11:31
  of
• 11:31
  those
• 11:31
  running
• 11:32
  backs,
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  don't
• 11:33
  see
• 11:33
  him
• 11:33
  quite
• 11:33
  as
• 11:33
  much
• 11:33
  these
• 11:34
  days,
• 11:34
  but
• 11:34
  one
• 11:34
  of
• 11:34
  those
• 11:34
  running
• 11:35
  backs
• 11:35
  back
• 11:35
  in
• 11:35
  the
• 11:35
  day
• 11:35
  who
• 11:35
  seemed
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  relish
• 11:36
  Contact.
• 11:37
  Like,
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  know,
• 11:37
  there'd
• 11:38
  be
• 11:38
  a
• 11:38
  guy
• 11:38
  in
• 11:38
  front
• 11:38
  of
• 11:38
  him,
• 11:39
  he
• 11:39
  could
• 11:39
  run
• 11:39
  around
• 11:39
  him,
• 11:40
  but
• 11:40
  he
• 11:40
  decided
• 11:40
  to
• 11:40
  run
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  guy
• 11:41
  over
• 11:41
  anyway.
• 11:41
  So
• 11:41
  he
• 11:41
  was
• 11:41
  kind
• 11:41
  of
• 11:42
  like
• 11:42
  this
• 11:42
  hard
• 11:42
  nosed,
• 11:42
  straightforward
• 11:43
  kind
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  guy.
• 11:44
  And
• 11:44
  he'd
• 11:44
  been
• 11:44
  at
• 11:44
  usc.
• 11:45
  He
• 11:45
  inherited
• 11:46
  John
• 11:46
  Robinson,
• 11:47
  who,
• 11:47
  of
• 11:47
  course
• 11:47
  was
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  famous
• 11:48
  USC
• 11:48
  coach.
• 11:49
  But
• 11:49
  this
• 11:49
  was
• 11:49
  John
• 11:49
  Robinson's
• 11:50
  second
• 11:50
  stint,
• 11:51
  which
• 11:51
  seemed
• 11:52
  to
• 11:52
  me
• 11:52
  to
• 11:52
  never
• 11:52
  work.
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  mean,
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  remember
• 11:53
  when
• 11:53
  Joe
• 11:53
  Gibbs
• 11:54
  went
• 11:54
  back
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  what
• 11:55
  was
• 11:55
  then
• 11:55
  called
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  Washington
• 11:56
  Redskins,
• 11:56
  and
• 11:56
  you
• 11:57
  just
• 11:57
  knew
• 11:57
  it
• 11:57
  was
• 11:57
  going
• 11:57
  to
• 11:57
  be
• 11:57
  a
• 11:57
  fiasco.
• 11:58
  And
• 11:58
  it
• 11:58
  turned
• 11:58
  out
• 11:58
  to
• 11:58
  be
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  fiasco.
• 11:59
  So
• 12:00
  he
• 12:00
  inherits,
• 12:00
  Robinson
• 12:01
  has
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  fire
• 12:01
  him.
• 12:02
  Doesn't
• 12:02
  do
• 12:03
  it
• 12:03
  very
• 12:03
  politely.
• 12:03
  He
• 12:04
  does
• 12:04
  it
• 12:04
  over
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  phone
• 12:04
  answering
• 12:05
  machine,
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  believe.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  then
• 12:06
  he
• 12:07
  hires
• 12:07
  this
• 12:07
  guy
• 12:07
  named
• 12:07
  Paul
• 12:08
  Hackett,
• 12:09
  who.
• 12:09
  Who
• 12:09
  is
• 12:10
  Nathaniel
• 12:10
  Hackett's
• 12:11
  father,
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:12
  was
• 12:12
  supposed
• 12:12
  to
• 12:12
  be
• 12:12
  this
• 12:12
  NFL
• 12:13
  offensive
• 12:13
  genius.
• 12:14
  And
• 12:14
  he's
• 12:14
  just,
• 12:14
  you
• 12:15
  know,
• 12:15
  he's
• 12:15
  not
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  total
• 12:16
  disaster,
• 12:16
  but
• 12:17
  it's.
• 12:17
  It's
• 12:17
  like
• 12:17
  a
• 12:18
  lot
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  mediocrity.
• 12:18
  A
• 12:19
  lot
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  like
• 12:19
  six
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  six
• 12:20
  seasons.
• 12:21
  So
• 12:21
  what's
• 12:22
  interesting
• 12:22
  is
• 12:22
  that
• 12:22
  Garrett
• 12:23
  is
• 12:23
  kind
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  down
• 12:23
  to
• 12:24
  his
• 12:24
  third
• 12:24
  strike,
• 12:24
  too.
• 12:25
  He's
• 12:25
  just
• 12:25
  like
• 12:25
  his
• 12:25
  coach
• 12:26
  that
• 12:26
  he's
• 12:26
  hired.
• 12:27
  And
• 12:27
  I
• 12:27
  love
• 12:27
  talking
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  Garrett
• 12:28
  because
• 12:28
  now
• 12:28
  he's
• 12:28
  all
• 12:28
  like,
• 12:28
  oh,
• 12:29
  yeah,
• 12:29
  no,
• 12:29
  I
• 12:29
  knew
• 12:29
  Pete
• 12:30
  was
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  guy,
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  knew.
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  knew
• 12:31
  from
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  beginning
• 12:31
  he
• 12:32
  was
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  guy.
• 12:32
  And
• 12:32
  it's
• 12:32
  like,
• 12:33
  really,
• 12:33
  man,
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  didn't.
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  don't
• 12:35
  know
• 12:35
  about
• 12:35
  that.
• 12:36
  The
• 12:36
  other
• 12:36
  people
• 12:37
  dispute
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  notion.
• 12:38
  But.
• 12:38
  But
• 12:38
  it
• 12:38
  was.
• 12:39
  He.
• 12:39
  He's
• 12:40
  kind
• 12:40
  of
• 12:40
  an
• 12:40
  interesting
• 12:40
  character.
• 12:41
  Carroll.
• 12:42
  You
• 12:42
  know,
• 12:42
  one
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  central
• 12:43
  questions,
• 12:43
  at
• 12:43
  least
• 12:43
  in
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  early
• 12:44
  part
• 12:44
  of
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  book,
• 12:44
  is
• 12:44
  is,
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  know,
• 12:46
  did
• 12:46
  USC
• 12:47
  save
• 12:47
  Pete
• 12:47
  Carroll
• 12:48
  or
• 12:48
  did
• 12:48
  Pete
• 12:48
  Carroll
• 12:49
  save
• 12:49
  usc?
• 12:50
  And
• 12:50
  it's
• 12:51
  a.
• 12:51
  It's
• 12:51
  a
• 12:51
  really
• 12:51
  interesting
• 12:52
  question
• 12:52
  because,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  know,
• 12:52
  his
• 12:52
  philosophy,
• 12:53
  he
• 12:53
  figured
• 12:53
  out
• 12:53
  how
• 12:54
  to
• 12:54
  make
• 12:54
  it
• 12:54
  work,
• 12:54
  that
• 12:55
  unorthodox
• 12:55
  thing,
• 12:56
  and
• 12:56
  then
• 12:56
  he
• 12:57
  took
• 12:57
  it
• 12:57
  to
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  NFL
• 12:57
  and
• 12:58
  it
• 12:58
  worked
• 12:58
  there
• 12:58
  for
• 12:58
  a
• 12:58
  little
• 12:58
  while.
• 12:59
  You
• 12:59
  know,
• 12:59
  worked
• 12:59
  there
• 12:59
  pretty
• 12:59
  much
• 12:59
  until
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  last,
• 13:00
  like,
• 13:00
  two
• 13:00
  years
• 13:00
  of
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  Seahawks,
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  obviously
• 13:02
  didn't
• 13:02
  work
• 13:02
  there
• 13:03
  last
• 13:03
  year
• 13:03
  with
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  Raiders,
• 13:04
  but
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  worked
• 13:04
  very,
• 13:04
  very
• 13:05
  well
• 13:05
  for
• 13:05
  12
• 13:06
  seasons,
• 13:06
  you
• 13:06
  know.
• 13:08
  Yeah,
• 13:08
  most
• 13:08
  definitely.
• 13:10
  It
• 13:10
  seems
• 13:10
  like
• 13:11
  Coach
• 13:11
  Carroll
• 13:11
  and
• 13:12
  I
• 13:12
  didn't
• 13:12
  really
• 13:12
  realize
• 13:13
  this,
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  amount
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  coaching,
• 13:15
  assistant
• 13:16
  coaching
• 13:17
  power
• 13:17
  that
• 13:17
  he
• 13:18
  ended
• 13:18
  up
• 13:18
  putting
• 13:18
  on
• 13:18
  his
• 13:19
  staff
• 13:19
  almost
• 13:19
  immediately.
• 13:20
  Maybe
• 13:20
  you
• 13:20
  could
• 13:21
  talk
• 13:21
  about
• 13:21
  some
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  these
• 13:21
  names,
• 13:22
  because
• 13:22
  these
• 13:22
  guys
• 13:22
  are
• 13:23
  really
• 13:23
  important
• 13:23
  to
• 13:24
  success.
• 13:24
  I
• 13:25
  mean,
• 13:25
  so
• 13:25
  what's
• 13:25
  interesting,
• 13:25
  too.
• 13:26
  So
• 13:26
  he
• 13:26
  comes
• 13:26
  into
• 13:26
  USC
• 13:27
  and
• 13:27
  he
• 13:27
  knows
• 13:28
  he
• 13:28
  has
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  win.
• 13:29
  He
• 13:29
  knows
• 13:29
  that
• 13:29
  this
• 13:29
  is
• 13:30
  his
• 13:30
  third
• 13:30
  strike.
• 13:30
  If
• 13:30
  he
• 13:31
  gets
• 13:31
  fired,
• 13:32
  he's
• 13:32
  like
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  said,
• 13:33
  a
• 13:33
  Coordinator
• 13:33
  for
• 13:34
  life,
• 13:34
  which
• 13:34
  he
• 13:34
  definitely
• 13:34
  didn't
• 13:35
  want
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  be.
• 13:35
  His
• 13:35
  mentor
• 13:36
  was
• 13:36
  Monty
• 13:37
  Kiffin,
• 13:37
  Lane
• 13:37
  Kiffin's
• 13:38
  father,
• 13:38
  who
• 13:39
  was
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  head
• 13:39
  coach
• 13:40
  for
• 13:40
  about
• 13:40
  three
• 13:40
  years
• 13:40
  and
• 13:41
  then
• 13:41
  was
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  coordinator
• 13:42
  for
• 13:42
  life.
• 13:42
  So
• 13:42
  he'd
• 13:42
  seen
• 13:43
  what
• 13:43
  that's,
• 13:43
  what
• 13:43
  that's
• 13:43
  like.
• 13:44
  He
• 13:44
  liked
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  be
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  head
• 13:44
  guy.
• 13:45
  So
• 13:45
  he
• 13:45
  comes
• 13:45
  in
• 13:46
  and
• 13:46
  what's
• 13:46
  really
• 13:46
  interesting
• 13:47
  about
• 13:47
  his
• 13:47
  first
• 13:47
  staff
• 13:48
  is
• 13:48
  he
• 13:48
  puts
• 13:48
  his
• 13:48
  ego
• 13:48
  completely
• 13:49
  aside
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  says,
• 13:50
  I'm
• 13:50
  going
• 13:50
  to
• 13:51
  hire
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  best
• 13:51
  guys
• 13:52
  out
• 13:52
  there.
• 13:53
  So
• 13:53
  he
• 13:54
  hires
• 13:54
  a
• 13:54
  bunch
• 13:54
  of,
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  some
• 13:55
  NFL
• 13:55
  guys,
• 13:55
  some
• 13:56
  guys
• 13:56
  with
• 13:56
  some
• 13:56
  college
• 13:57
  ties.
• 13:57
  He
• 13:58
  brings
• 13:58
  in
• 13:58
  Norm
• 13:58
  Chow,
• 13:59
  who's
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  name,
• 14:00
  maybe
• 14:00
  some
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  your
• 14:01
  listeners
• 14:01
  know.
• 14:01
  But
• 14:01
  Norm
• 14:01
  was
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  longtime
• 14:03
  offensive
• 14:03
  coordinator
• 14:04
  at
• 14:04
  BYU,
• 14:04
  and
• 14:05
  he
• 14:05
  had
• 14:05
  tutored
• 14:05
  Jim
• 14:05
  McMahon
• 14:06
  and
• 14:06
  Steve
• 14:07
  Young
• 14:07
  and
• 14:07
  Ty
• 14:07
  Detmer.
• 14:08
  You
• 14:08
  know,
• 14:08
  he
• 14:08
  had
• 14:08
  a
• 14:09
  couple
• 14:09
  Heisman
• 14:09
  winners
• 14:09
  under
• 14:10
  his
• 14:10
  belt.
• 14:10
  So
• 14:10
  he
• 14:10
  was
• 14:10
  this
• 14:11
  sort
• 14:11
  of
• 14:11
  offensive
• 14:12
  genius
• 14:12
  who
• 14:13
  had
• 14:13
  done
• 14:13
  all
• 14:13
  of
• 14:13
  this
• 14:13
  with,
• 14:13
  like,
• 14:14
  not
• 14:14
  necessarily
• 14:14
  byu,
• 14:15
  never
• 14:15
  really
• 14:15
  had
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  most
• 14:15
  skilled
• 14:16
  players,
• 14:16
  but
• 14:16
  he
• 14:17
  designed
• 14:17
  this
• 14:17
  incredible
• 14:18
  offense
• 14:18
  where,
• 14:18
  you
• 14:19
  know,
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  think
• 14:19
  one
• 14:20
  season,
• 14:20
  Steve
• 14:21
  Young
• 14:21
  might
• 14:21
  have
• 14:21
  averaged
• 14:22
  350
• 14:23
  or
• 14:23
  400
• 14:23
  yards
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  game
• 14:24
  passing,
• 14:24
  like,
• 14:24
  some
• 14:24
  insane
• 14:25
  stats,
• 14:25
  right?
• 14:26
  So
• 14:26
  then
• 14:26
  he
• 14:26
  keeps
• 14:27
  Ed
• 14:27
  Orgeron
• 14:28
  from
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  old
• 14:29
  staffs.
• 14:29
  Only
• 14:29
  person
• 14:29
  he
• 14:30
  really
• 14:30
  keeps.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:30
  that
• 14:31
  guy
• 14:31
  is,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  think,
• 14:33
  probably
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  best
• 14:34
  defensive
• 14:34
  line
• 14:34
  coach
• 14:35
  in
• 14:35
  college
• 14:35
  football
• 14:35
  history.
• 14:35
  I
• 14:36
  mean,
• 14:36
  he
• 14:36
  coached
• 14:36
  Warren
• 14:36
  Sapp
• 14:37
  Russell,
• 14:37
  MD,
• 14:38
  you
• 14:39
  know,
• 14:39
  just
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  name
• 14:39
  a
• 14:40
  few.
• 14:40
  And
• 14:41
  he's,
• 14:41
  he
• 14:41
  becomes
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  kind
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  enforcer
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  the
• 14:43
  staff,
• 14:43
  which
• 14:43
  is
• 14:43
  very
• 14:43
  important.
• 14:44
  And
• 14:44
  then,
• 14:45
  interestingly,
• 14:46
  he
• 14:46
  hires
• 14:46
  these
• 14:46
  two
• 14:47
  young
• 14:47
  bucks,
• 14:47
  you
• 14:48
  know,
• 14:48
  guys
• 14:48
  kind
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  out
• 14:48
  of
• 14:49
  nowhere,
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  little
• 14:49
  bit,
• 14:50
  who
• 14:50
  aren't
• 14:51
  much
• 14:51
  older
• 14:51
  than
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  players
• 14:52
  they're
• 14:52
  coaching.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:53
  one
• 14:53
  of
• 14:53
  them
• 14:53
  is
• 14:54
  kind
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  Nepo
• 14:54
  hire.
• 14:55
  So
• 14:55
  he
• 14:55
  hires
• 14:55
  Lane
• 14:56
  Kiffin
• 14:56
  because
• 14:56
  Monty
• 14:57
  Kiffin
• 14:57
  was
• 14:57
  his
• 14:58
  mentor.
• 14:58
  He
• 14:58
  used
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  babysit
• 14:59
  Lane
• 14:59
  Kiffin
• 15:00
  when
• 15:00
  Lane
• 15:00
  Kiffin
• 15:00
  was.
• 15:01
  Pete
• 15:01
  used
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  babysit
• 15:02
  Lane
• 15:02
  Kiffin
• 15:02
  when
• 15:02
  he
• 15:02
  was
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  toddler
• 15:03
  for
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  Kiffins.
• 15:04
  And
• 15:05
  then
• 15:05
  he
• 15:05
  hires
• 15:05
  this
• 15:05
  other
• 15:05
  guy
• 15:06
  named
• 15:06
  Steve
• 15:06
  Sarkeesian,
• 15:07
  who
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  might
• 15:07
  have
• 15:07
  heard
• 15:07
  of.
• 15:08
  So
• 15:08
  you
• 15:08
  got
• 15:08
  these
• 15:08
  two
• 15:09
  young,
• 15:09
  brash
• 15:10
  guys
• 15:10
  who,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:11
  know,
• 15:11
  have
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  lot
• 15:11
  to
• 15:11
  kind
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  learn
• 15:12
  in
• 15:12
  terms
• 15:12
  of,
• 15:12
  you
• 15:13
  know,
• 15:13
  management
• 15:14
  and,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:15
  know,
• 15:15
  not
• 15:16
  being
• 15:16
  too
• 15:16
  crazy.
• 15:16
  But
• 15:17
  they
• 15:17
  are
• 15:18
  immediately
• 15:19
  identified
• 15:20
  as
• 15:20
  offensive
• 15:20
  geniuses.
• 15:21
  I
• 15:21
  mean,
• 15:21
  they're
• 15:22
  just,
• 15:22
  just
• 15:23
  kind
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  know
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  game.
• 15:24
  And
• 15:24
  it's
• 15:24
  fascinating
• 15:24
  to
• 15:25
  me,
• 15:25
  actually,
• 15:26
  when
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  was
• 15:26
  interviewing
• 15:26
  Lane,
• 15:27
  he
• 15:27
  pointed
• 15:27
  out
• 15:27
  I,
• 15:28
  I,
• 15:28
  he
• 15:28
  put
• 15:28
  this
• 15:29
  together,
• 15:29
  not
• 15:29
  me,
• 15:29
  but
• 15:30
  his
• 15:31
  three
• 15:31
  biggest
• 15:31
  mentors
• 15:32
  in
• 15:32
  his
• 15:32
  life.
• 15:32
  So
• 15:32
  Lane
• 15:32
  Kiffin
• 15:33
  is
• 15:33
  known
• 15:33
  as
• 15:33
  an
• 15:33
  offensive
• 15:33
  genius,
• 15:34
  right?
• 15:34
  But
• 15:34
  his
• 15:34
  three
• 15:35
  biggest
• 15:35
  mentors
• 15:35
  in
• 15:35
  his
• 15:36
  life
• 15:36
  are
• 15:36
  his
• 15:36
  father,
• 15:37
  who
• 15:37
  invented
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  Tampa
• 15:38
  2
• 15:38
  defense.
• 15:39
  One
• 15:39
  of
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  most
• 15:40
  famous
• 15:40
  defensive
• 15:40
  coordinators
• 15:41
  in
• 15:41
  NFL
• 15:41
  history,
• 15:42
  Nick
• 15:42
  Saban,
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  course,
• 15:43
  a
• 15:44
  man
• 15:44
  known
• 15:44
  for
• 15:44
  his
• 15:44
  defense,
• 15:45
  and
• 15:45
  Pete
• 15:45
  Carroll,
• 15:46
  another
• 15:46
  defensive
• 15:47
  guy.
• 15:47
  Pete
• 15:47
  Carroll
• 15:48
  was
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  defensive
• 15:48
  coordinator
• 15:49
  at
• 15:49
  USC
• 15:49
  for
• 15:49
  all
• 15:50
  but
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  last
• 15:50
  two
• 15:50
  years,
• 15:50
  basically.
• 15:51
  So
• 15:52
  it's
• 15:52
  just
• 15:52
  so
• 15:53
  interesting
• 15:53
  that
• 15:53
  a
• 15:53
  guy
• 15:53
  like
• 15:53
  Lane
• 15:54
  would
• 15:54
  be
• 15:54
  made
• 15:55
  out
• 15:55
  of
• 15:55
  these
• 15:55
  three
• 15:55
  mentors
• 15:56
  who
• 15:56
  were
• 15:57
  all
• 15:57
  defensive
• 15:57
  guys,
• 15:58
  you
• 15:58
  know,
• 15:58
  but
• 15:59
  he.
• 15:59
  Lane
• 15:59
  would
• 15:59
  point.
• 15:59
  He
• 16:00
  pointed
• 16:00
  out,
• 16:00
  he
• 16:00
  said,
• 16:00
  you
• 16:00
  know,
• 16:01
  if
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  looked
• 16:01
  at
• 16:01
  Pete,
• 16:01
  you
• 16:02
  know,
• 16:02
  what
• 16:02
  he
• 16:02
  did
• 16:02
  and
• 16:03
  looked,
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  way
• 16:03
  that
• 16:03
  he
• 16:03
  acted
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  how
• 16:04
  creative
• 16:04
  he
• 16:04
  was,
• 16:05
  how
• 16:05
  energetic
• 16:05
  he
• 16:05
  was,
• 16:06
  how
• 16:06
  many
• 16:06
  ideas
• 16:07
  were
• 16:07
  flying
• 16:07
  out
• 16:08
  of
• 16:08
  his
• 16:08
  head,
• 16:08
  you'd
• 16:08
  think
• 16:08
  he
• 16:08
  was
• 16:08
  an
• 16:09
  offensive
• 16:09
  coordinator,
• 16:09
  not
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  defensive
• 16:10
  coordinator.
• 16:11
  Those
• 16:11
  guys
• 16:11
  tend
• 16:11
  to
• 16:11
  be
• 16:11
  kind
• 16:11
  of
• 16:12
  stern,
• 16:12
  like.
• 16:12
  Like
• 16:12
  Saban
• 16:13
  and,
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:14
  not.
• 16:14
  They
• 16:14
  don't
• 16:14
  talk
• 16:14
  very
• 16:14
  much.
• 16:15
  So
• 16:15
  it's
• 16:16
  fascinating
• 16:16
  stuff.
• 16:16
  Great
• 16:16
  staff.
• 16:18
  Yeah,
• 16:19
  yeah,
• 16:19
  excellent.
• 16:20
  And
• 16:20
  Sarcasian,
• 16:21
  he
• 16:22
  played
• 16:22
  for
• 16:22
  Under
• 16:23
  Chow,
• 16:23
  right?
• 16:24
  Who's
• 16:24
  Chow?
• 16:24
  Was
• 16:25
  his
• 16:25
  coordinator.
• 16:26
  One
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  those.
• 16:26
  You
• 16:26
  know,
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  didn't
• 16:27
  realize
• 16:27
  this
• 16:28
  until
• 16:28
  going
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  there,
• 16:28
  but
• 16:28
  the.
• 16:29
  The
• 16:29
  JUCO
• 16:29
  thing
• 16:30
  in
• 16:30
  California,
• 16:30
  I
• 16:31
  don't
• 16:31
  know
• 16:31
  if
• 16:31
  it's
• 16:31
  still
• 16:31
  like
• 16:31
  this.
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  don't
• 16:32
  think
• 16:32
  it's
• 16:32
  still
• 16:32
  like
• 16:32
  this.
• 16:32
  But
• 16:33
  that
• 16:33
  used
• 16:33
  to
• 16:33
  be,
• 16:33
  like,
• 16:33
  a
• 16:33
  real
• 16:34
  breeding
• 16:34
  ground
• 16:35
  for
• 16:35
  great
• 16:35
  players.
• 16:35
  I
• 16:35
  mean,
• 16:36
  so
• 16:36
  many
• 16:36
  great
• 16:36
  players
• 16:36
  came
• 16:37
  from
• 16:37
  Junior.
• 16:37
  They
• 16:37
  go
• 16:37
  play
• 16:38
  somewhere
• 16:38
  for
• 16:38
  two
• 16:38
  years,
• 16:39
  get
• 16:39
  their
• 16:39
  grades
• 16:39
  up
• 16:39
  or
• 16:40
  whatever,
• 16:40
  and
• 16:40
  then
• 16:40
  they
• 16:41
  transfer
• 16:41
  into
• 16:41
  UCLA
• 16:42
  or
• 16:42
  usc.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:43
  Sarkeesian
• 16:43
  was,
• 16:44
  like.
• 16:44
  Was
• 16:44
  one
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  those
• 16:44
  guys.
• 16:44
  He
• 16:44
  transferred
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  BYU
• 16:46
  from
• 16:46
  El
• 16:46
  Camino
• 16:47
  Community
• 16:47
  College.
• 16:48
  And
• 16:49
  Sark
• 16:49
  had
• 16:50
  this.
• 16:50
  Sark
• 16:51
  stats
• 16:51
  were
• 16:51
  insane.
• 16:52
  It
• 16:52
  was
• 16:52
  like
• 16:53
  49
• 16:53
  TDs
• 16:54
  and
• 16:54
  four
• 16:55
  interceptions.
• 16:55
  You
• 16:56
  know,
• 16:56
  he
• 16:56
  was
• 16:56
  just
• 16:56
  an
• 16:57
  insane
• 16:57
  player
• 16:58
  and
• 16:58
  then
• 16:58
  was
• 16:59
  pretty
• 16:59
  much
• 16:59
  out
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  football.
• 17:00
  He
• 17:00
  was,
• 17:00
  like,
• 17:00
  selling,
• 17:00
  like,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know,
• 17:02
  modular
• 17:02
  computer
• 17:03
  chairs,
• 17:04
  basically,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:04
  know,
• 17:04
  chairs
• 17:05
  for
• 17:05
  working
• 17:05
  and,
• 17:05
  you
• 17:05
  know,
• 17:06
  just.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:06
  then
• 17:06
  Norm
• 17:07
  kind
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  plucked
• 17:07
  him
• 17:07
  out
• 17:07
  of
• 17:08
  that,
• 17:08
  helped
• 17:08
  Pete
• 17:08
  identify
• 17:09
  him,
• 17:09
  and
• 17:09
  they
• 17:09
  plucked
• 17:10
  him
• 17:10
  out,
• 17:10
  and,
• 17:10
  you
• 17:11
  know,
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  rest
• 17:11
  is
• 17:11
  history.
• 17:11
  I
• 17:11
  mean,
• 17:12
  those
• 17:12
  two
• 17:12
  guys,
• 17:13
  they've
• 17:13
  been.
• 17:13
  Both
• 17:13
  of
• 17:14
  those
• 17:14
  guys
• 17:14
  have
• 17:14
  been
• 17:14
  through
• 17:15
  a
• 17:15
  lot
• 17:15
  of
• 17:15
  bumps
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  bruises.
• 17:16
  It's
• 17:16
  taken
• 17:16
  a
• 17:16
  long
• 17:16
  time
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  get
• 17:17
  where
• 17:17
  they
• 17:17
  are,
• 17:18
  but,
• 17:18
  you
• 17:18
  know,
• 17:18
  they.
• 17:19
  They.
• 17:19
  They
• 17:20
  are,
• 17:20
  you
• 17:20
  know,
• 17:20
  two
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  the
• 17:21
  best
• 17:21
  coaches
• 17:22
  in
• 17:22
  college
• 17:22
  football
• 17:23
  right
• 17:23
  now.
• 17:24
  Yeah,
• 17:24
  I.
• 17:25
  I
• 17:25
  loved
• 17:26
  how
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  sort
• 17:27
  of
• 17:27
  told
• 17:28
  how
• 17:28
  their
• 17:28
  personalities
• 17:30
  were,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:31
  almost
• 17:31
  polar
• 17:32
  opposites.
• 17:33
  And,
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  know,
• 17:34
  I
• 17:34
  know
• 17:34
  a
• 17:34
  little
• 17:34
  bit
• 17:34
  about,
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  know,
• 17:35
  Pete
• 17:35
  Carroll
• 17:36
  because
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  listen
• 17:37
  to,
• 17:37
  you
• 17:37
  know,
• 17:37
  Sirius
• 17:38
  radio,
• 17:38
  and
• 17:39
  he's
• 17:39
  good
• 17:39
  friends
• 17:39
  with
• 17:39
  Pat
• 17:40
  Kerwin.
• 17:40
  Kerwin
• 17:41
  has
• 17:41
  him
• 17:41
  on
• 17:41
  every
• 17:41
  week.
• 17:42
  And,
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  know,
• 17:43
  he
• 17:43
  could
• 17:43
  be,
• 17:43
  you
• 17:43
  know,
• 17:44
  like,
• 17:44
  this
• 17:44
  year,
• 17:44
  he
• 17:44
  had
• 17:45
  a
• 17:45
  terrible
• 17:45
  season
• 17:45
  going
• 17:46
  on,
• 17:46
  but
• 17:46
  the
• 17:47
  dude
• 17:47
  is
• 17:47
  so
• 17:47
  high
• 17:47
  energy
• 17:48
  coming
• 17:48
  on
• 17:48
  and.
• 17:49
  And
• 17:49
  talking
• 17:49
  after.
• 17:50
  You're
• 17:50
  just
• 17:50
  getting
• 17:50
  shellack
• 17:51
  the.
• 17:51
  You
• 17:51
  know,
• 17:51
  a
• 17:51
  couple
• 17:52
  days
• 17:52
  earlier.
• 17:52
  And
• 17:53
  Norm
• 17:53
  Chow,
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  way
• 17:55
  you
• 17:55
  described
• 17:55
  him,
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  know,
• 17:57
  how
• 17:57
  did
• 17:57
  this
• 17:57
  work
• 17:58
  out?
• 17:58
  Almost
• 17:58
  like
• 17:58
  an
• 17:59
  odd
• 17:59
  couple
• 17:59
  type.
• 18:00
  Yeah,
• 18:00
  totally.
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  mean,
• 18:01
  so
• 18:01
  everybody
• 18:02
  else,
• 18:02
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:02
  Pete
• 18:03
  wanted
• 18:03
  energy
• 18:03
  out
• 18:03
  of
• 18:04
  all
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  his
• 18:04
  assistants,
• 18:04
  just
• 18:05
  like
• 18:05
  he
• 18:05
  wanted
• 18:05
  out
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  his
• 18:05
  players.
• 18:06
  He
• 18:06
  actually.
• 18:06
  They
• 18:07
  took
• 18:07
  away
• 18:07
  sprinting
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  the.
• 18:08
  You
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:08
  they
• 18:08
  didn't
• 18:09
  do
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  gassers
• 18:09
  at
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  end
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  practice
• 18:10
  because
• 18:10
  he
• 18:10
  wanted
• 18:11
  people
• 18:11
  instead.
• 18:11
  He
• 18:12
  wanted
• 18:12
  people
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  get
• 18:12
  their
• 18:12
  sprints
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  while
• 18:13
  they
• 18:13
  were
• 18:13
  sprinting
• 18:14
  from
• 18:14
  station
• 18:14
  to
• 18:14
  station
• 18:15
  during
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  practice.
• 18:16
  Genius
• 18:16
  stuff.
• 18:17
  He
• 18:17
  was
• 18:17
  always
• 18:17
  moving,
• 18:18
  like
• 18:18
  this
• 18:18
  totally
• 18:18
  kinetic
• 18:19
  guy.
• 18:19
  He
• 18:20
  insisted
• 18:20
  that
• 18:20
  all
• 18:20
  of
• 18:21
  his
• 18:21
  assistants
• 18:21
  work
• 18:21
  out
• 18:22
  in
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  morning
• 18:22
  so
• 18:22
  they
• 18:22
  can
• 18:23
  eat
• 18:23
  well.
• 18:23
  He
• 18:23
  bring
• 18:24
  him
• 18:24
  breakfast
• 18:24
  every
• 18:24
  morning.
• 18:25
  And,
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  know,
• 18:26
  they're
• 18:27
  all
• 18:27
  rah
• 18:27
  rah
• 18:28
  guys,
• 18:28
  except
• 18:28
  for
• 18:29
  Norm
• 18:29
  Chow,
• 18:29
  who
• 18:29
  was
• 18:29
  this
• 18:30
  very,
• 18:31
  very
• 18:31
  quiet,
• 18:31
  still
• 18:32
  is.
• 18:33
  Never
• 18:33
  had
• 18:33
  a
• 18:33
  hair
• 18:33
  out
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  place,
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  know,
• 18:36
  just
• 18:36
  wasn't
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  rah
• 18:37
  rah
• 18:37
  guy.
• 18:38
  And
• 18:39
  it,
• 18:39
  It,
• 18:40
  It.
• 18:40
  It
• 18:40
  worked.
• 18:40
  I
• 18:41
  mean,
• 18:41
  it
• 18:41
  was
• 18:41
  kind
• 18:41
  of
• 18:41
  good
• 18:41
  to
• 18:42
  have
• 18:42
  that.
• 18:42
  It
• 18:42
  was
• 18:42
  like
• 18:42
  ballast,
• 18:43
  you
• 18:43
  know,
• 18:43
  it
• 18:43
  was.
• 18:43
  The
• 18:44
  ship
• 18:44
  would
• 18:44
  go
• 18:44
  back
• 18:45
  and
• 18:45
  forth
• 18:45
  with
• 18:45
  all
• 18:45
  this
• 18:46
  crazy,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:47
  personalities,
• 18:47
  and
• 18:47
  Norm
• 18:48
  was
• 18:48
  always
• 18:48
  there.
• 18:48
  You
• 18:48
  know,
• 18:49
  Norm
• 18:49
  was
• 18:49
  always
• 18:49
  one
• 18:49
  of
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  first
• 18:50
  people
• 18:50
  in
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  office,
• 18:50
  and
• 18:51
  Ed
• 18:51
  Orgeron
• 18:52
  would
• 18:52
  go
• 18:52
  and
• 18:52
  burn
• 18:53
  his
• 18:53
  ear
• 18:53
  up.
• 18:53
  And,
• 18:54
  you
• 18:54
  know,
• 18:54
  people
• 18:54
  had
• 18:55
  complaints.
• 18:55
  They'd
• 18:55
  go
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  Norm.
• 18:56
  He
• 18:56
  was
• 18:56
  like
• 18:56
  the.
• 18:57
  Almost
• 18:57
  the
• 18:58
  paternal
• 18:58
  presence
• 18:59
  there,
• 18:59
  I'd
• 18:59
  say,
• 18:59
  even
• 19:00
  though
• 19:00
  he
• 19:00
  wasn't
• 19:00
  much.
• 19:00
  You
• 19:00
  know,
• 19:01
  he
• 19:01
  was
• 19:01
  older
• 19:01
  than
• 19:01
  most
• 19:01
  people,
• 19:02
  but
• 19:02
  he
• 19:02
  wasn't
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  much
• 19:02
  older.
• 19:03
  But
• 19:03
  he
• 19:03
  was
• 19:03
  very
• 19:03
  much
• 19:04
  like
• 19:04
  the
• 19:04
  sort
• 19:04
  of,
• 19:05
  or
• 19:05
  almost
• 19:05
  grandfatherly
• 19:06
  presence.
• 19:06
  Right.
• 19:07
  And
• 19:07
  so
• 19:08
  it
• 19:08
  was
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  real.
• 19:09
  Those
• 19:09
  two.
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  don't
• 19:10
  want
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  spoil
• 19:10
  too
• 19:11
  much
• 19:11
  of
• 19:11
  it,
• 19:11
  but
• 19:11
  those
• 19:11
  two
• 19:12
  had
• 19:12
  a
• 19:13
  rift,
• 19:13
  Carol
• 19:14
  and
• 19:14
  Chow.
• 19:15
  And
• 19:15
  part
• 19:15
  of
• 19:15
  it
• 19:15
  had
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  do
• 19:15
  with
• 19:16
  their
• 19:16
  differing
• 19:17
  personalities,
• 19:17
  but
• 19:17
  another
• 19:18
  part
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  it
• 19:18
  is
• 19:18
  that
• 19:18
  Norm
• 19:19
  was
• 19:19
  getting
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  ton
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  credit
• 19:21
  for
• 19:23
  USC
• 19:23
  success,
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  know,
• 19:24
  for.
• 19:24
  For
• 19:24
  grooming,
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  know,
• 19:26
  two
• 19:26
  Heisman
• 19:27
  quarterbacks,
• 19:29
  for
• 19:29
  designing,
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  know,
• 19:30
  an
• 19:30
  explosive
• 19:31
  offense
• 19:31
  that,
• 19:31
  you
• 19:32
  know,
• 19:32
  it
• 19:32
  would.
• 19:33
  Would
• 19:33
  win
• 19:33
  games
• 19:34
  77
• 19:34
  to
• 19:35
  10.
• 19:36
  So,
• 19:37
  you
• 19:38
  know,
• 19:38
  part
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  that
• 19:38
  had
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  do
• 19:39
  with,
• 19:39
  like,
• 19:39
  you
• 19:39
  know,
• 19:39
  norms
• 19:39
  getting
• 19:40
  a
• 19:40
  lot
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  the
• 19:40
  credit.
• 19:41
  You
• 19:42
  know,
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  want
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  try
• 19:43
  something
• 19:43
  different.
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  want
• 19:44
  to
• 19:44
  try
• 19:44
  my
• 19:44
  guys
• 19:44
  that
• 19:44
  are,
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  know,
• 19:45
  he
• 19:45
  considered
• 19:45
  Lane
• 19:46
  and
• 19:46
  Sark
• 19:46
  kind
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  his
• 19:47
  guys,
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  know,
• 19:47
  so
• 19:48
  he.
• 19:48
  Let's.
• 19:49
  Let's
• 19:49
  Norm
• 19:50
  go.
• 19:50
  It's,
• 19:50
  It's.
• 19:50
  You
• 19:51
  know,
• 19:51
  they
• 19:51
  classified
• 19:51
  as
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  mutual
• 19:52
  separation,
• 19:52
  but
• 19:52
  it
• 19:53
  was
• 19:53
  definitely
• 19:53
  not
• 19:54
  mutual.
• 19:55
  Norm
• 19:55
  actually
• 19:56
  says
• 19:56
  in
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  book
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  he
• 19:56
  would
• 19:56
  have
• 19:57
  preferred
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  stay
• 19:58
  if
• 19:58
  he
• 19:58
  could.
• 19:58
  And,
• 19:59
  and
• 19:59
  then
• 19:59
  Sarkin
• 20:00
  Kiffin
• 20:01
  take
• 20:01
  over,
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  it's
• 20:02
  just
• 20:02
  fireworks
• 20:03
  from
• 20:03
  there.
• 20:03
  I
• 20:03
  mean,
• 20:03
  they're
• 20:03
  always
• 20:03
  like,
• 20:04
  deep
• 20:04
  ball
• 20:04
  here
• 20:04
  and,
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  know,
• 20:05
  throw
• 20:05
  it
• 20:06
  long
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  a
• 20:06
  lot
• 20:06
  of
• 20:06
  pressure
• 20:07
  on
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  stars.
• 20:07
  They
• 20:07
  put
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  whole
• 20:08
  lot
• 20:08
  of
• 20:08
  pressure
• 20:08
  on
• 20:08
  the
• 20:09
  stars.
• 20:09
  But,
• 20:09
  but
• 20:10
  it
• 20:10
  was,
• 20:10
  you
• 20:10
  know,
• 20:10
  it
• 20:11
  was
• 20:11
  electric,
• 20:11
  I'll
• 20:11
  tell
• 20:12
  you
• 20:12
  that.
• 20:13
  Yeah,
• 20:13
  it
• 20:13
  definitely
• 20:14
  was.
• 20:14
  And
• 20:14
  you
• 20:15
  sell
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  in
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  book,
• 20:16
  too.
• 20:16
  You
• 20:16
  know,
• 20:16
  you,
• 20:17
  you
• 20:18
  got
• 20:18
  me
• 20:18
  fired
• 20:18
  up
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  the
• 20:19
  beginning.
• 20:19
  You
• 20:19
  know,
• 20:19
  you
• 20:20
  tell
• 20:20
  a
• 20:20
  little
• 20:20
  bit
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  history
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  then
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  get
• 20:21
  me
• 20:21
  fired
• 20:22
  up
• 20:22
  and
• 20:22
  ramped
• 20:22
  up
• 20:23
  for
• 20:23
  going,
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  know,
• 20:24
  sometimes
• 20:24
  game
• 20:25
  by
• 20:25
  game
• 20:25
  in
• 20:26
  some
• 20:26
  of
• 20:26
  these
• 20:26
  pivotal
• 20:27
  seasons
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  Pete
• 20:28
  Carroll
• 20:28
  at
• 20:29
  usc.
• 20:29
  And
• 20:30
  you're
• 20:30
  just
• 20:31
  really
• 20:31
  a
• 20:32
  joy
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  read
• 20:33
  and
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  remember.
• 20:34
  Yeah.
• 20:35
  Yeah.
• 20:35
  So.
• 20:37
  So
• 20:37
  what
• 20:37
  do
• 20:37
  you
• 20:38
  think?
• 20:38
  I.
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  know
• 20:38
  you.
• 20:39
  You
• 20:39
  talk
• 20:40
  about
• 20:40
  this
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  little
• 20:40
  bit.
• 20:40
  You
• 20:41
  know,
• 20:41
  Pete
• 20:41
  Carroll
• 20:41
  was
• 20:42
  smart
• 20:42
  enough
• 20:42
  to
• 20:43
  realize
• 20:43
  as
• 20:43
  he
• 20:44
  was
• 20:44
  going
• 20:44
  through
• 20:44
  his
• 20:45
  coaching
• 20:45
  stints
• 20:46
  and
• 20:47
  his
• 20:47
  failures
• 20:48
  of
• 20:48
  picking
• 20:49
  up
• 20:49
  on.
• 20:49
  On
• 20:50
  things
• 20:50
  and
• 20:50
  learning
• 20:51
  some
• 20:51
  things
• 20:51
  and
• 20:51
  adopting
• 20:52
  and
• 20:53
  adapting.
• 20:54
  What
• 20:54
  do
• 20:54
  you
• 20:54
  think
• 20:55
  sort
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  took
• 20:56
  him
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  that
• 20:56
  USC
• 20:57
  point.
• 20:57
  What
• 20:57
  were
• 20:57
  some
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  biggest
• 20:58
  changes
• 20:58
  he
• 20:59
  made
• 20:59
  from
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  jets
• 20:59
  where
• 21:00
  he
• 21:00
  had
• 21:00
  no
• 21:00
  rules?
• 21:01
  You
• 21:01
  know,
• 21:02
  I,
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  think
• 21:02
  it
• 21:02
  was
• 21:03
  for
• 21:03
  one,
• 21:04
  he
• 21:04
  spent
• 21:04
  that
• 21:04
  whole
• 21:05
  season
• 21:05
  he
• 21:05
  was
• 21:05
  out
• 21:05
  of
• 21:06
  football
• 21:06
  aside,
• 21:07
  he
• 21:07
  and
• 21:07
  Kerwin
• 21:07
  tried
• 21:08
  to
• 21:08
  start
• 21:08
  something
• 21:08
  that
• 21:09
  sounded
• 21:09
  an
• 21:09
  awful
• 21:09
  lot
• 21:10
  like
• 21:10
  what
• 21:10
  would
• 21:10
  become
• 21:10
  the
• 21:11
  NFL
• 21:11
  Network.
• 21:11
  It's
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  very
• 21:12
  good
• 21:12
  idea.
• 21:12
  They
• 21:12
  didn't
• 21:12
  have
• 21:12
  any
• 21:12
  funding
• 21:13
  for
• 21:13
  it,
• 21:13
  but
• 21:13
  other
• 21:14
  than
• 21:14
  that,
• 21:14
  he
• 21:14
  spent
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  lot
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  time
• 21:15
  holed
• 21:15
  up
• 21:16
  in
• 21:16
  his
• 21:16
  New
• 21:16
  Hampshire
• 21:16
  lakehouse,
• 21:17
  you
• 21:17
  know,
• 21:17
  looking
• 21:17
  out
• 21:18
  at
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  white
• 21:18
  snow
• 21:19
  and
• 21:19
  just
• 21:20
  writing
• 21:20
  down,
• 21:21
  like,
• 21:21
  his
• 21:21
  philosophy
• 21:22
  sort
• 21:22
  of,
• 21:22
  you
• 21:22
  know,
• 21:22
  I
• 21:22
  mean,
• 21:23
  he,
• 21:23
  he,
• 21:23
  he
• 21:24
  loved
• 21:24
  John
• 21:24
  Wooden,
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  he
• 21:25
  reread
• 21:26
  Wooden's
• 21:27
  famous
• 21:27
  book,
• 21:27
  which
• 21:27
  is
• 21:28
  called
• 21:28
  the
• 21:28
  Blue
• 21:28
  Book,
• 21:28
  which
• 21:28
  is
• 21:29
  kind
• 21:29
  of
• 21:29
  outlines
• 21:30
  John
• 21:30
  Wooden's
• 21:30
  philosophy.
• 21:31
  And,
• 21:32
  but,
• 21:32
  but
• 21:33
  I
• 21:33
  think
• 21:33
  a
• 21:33
  lot
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  it
• 21:33
  had
• 21:33
  to
• 21:33
  do
• 21:34
  with
• 21:34
  discipline.
• 21:34
  You
• 21:35
  know,
• 21:35
  I
• 21:35
  mean,
• 21:35
  he
• 21:35
  had
• 21:35
  a.
• 21:36
  He
• 21:36
  just
• 21:36
  had
• 21:37
  to
• 21:37
  figure
• 21:37
  out
• 21:37
  how
• 21:38
  to
• 21:39
  keep
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  fun,
• 21:40
  keep
• 21:41
  it
• 21:41
  loose,
• 21:42
  but
• 21:42
  keep
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  within
• 21:42
  parameters.
• 21:43
  Right?
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  mean,
• 21:43
  there's
• 21:44
  this.
• 21:44
  You,
• 21:44
  you
• 21:44
  can't
• 21:45
  have
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  inmates
• 21:46
  running
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  asylum,
• 21:46
  basically,
• 21:47
  which
• 21:47
  is
• 21:47
  kind
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  what
• 21:47
  he
• 21:48
  had
• 21:48
  at
• 21:48
  the,
• 21:48
  at
• 21:48
  the
• 21:49
  jets
• 21:49
  and
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  Patriots.
• 21:50
  But,
• 21:51
  you
• 21:51
  know,
• 21:51
  but
• 21:52
  again,
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  kids
• 21:53
  are
• 21:53
  younger,
• 21:53
  right?
• 21:53
  And
• 21:54
  you've
• 21:54
  got
• 21:54
  so
• 21:54
  much
• 21:54
  control.
• 21:55
  You
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:55
  if
• 21:55
  they
• 21:55
  mess
• 21:55
  up,
• 21:56
  if
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  pro
• 21:57
  player
• 21:57
  messes
• 21:57
  up,
• 21:57
  they're
• 21:58
  not
• 21:58
  going
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  study
• 21:58
  hall
• 21:58
  from
• 21:59
  8
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  11,
• 21:59
  you
• 21:59
  know,
• 22:00
  I
• 22:00
  mean,
• 22:00
  they're
• 22:01
  going
• 22:01
  home.
• 22:01
  So
• 22:02
  these
• 22:02
  kids,
• 22:02
  if
• 22:02
  they
• 22:02
  messed
• 22:03
  up,
• 22:03
  put
• 22:03
  them
• 22:03
  in
• 22:03
  study
• 22:04
  hall,
• 22:04
  they
• 22:04
  messed
• 22:04
  up.
• 22:05
  Ed
• 22:05
  Orgeron
• 22:06
  gets
• 22:06
  them
• 22:06
  up
• 22:06
  at
• 22:06
  5
• 22:06
  o'
• 22:06
  clock
• 22:06
  and
• 22:07
  they
• 22:07
  do
• 22:07
  gassers
• 22:08
  in
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  morning.
• 22:08
  You
• 22:08
  know,
• 22:08
  I
• 22:09
  mean,
• 22:09
  so
• 22:09
  there's
• 22:09
  so
• 22:09
  much
• 22:10
  more
• 22:10
  control
• 22:10
  over
• 22:10
  these
• 22:11
  kids.
• 22:11
  But
• 22:11
  I
• 22:12
  think
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  lot
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  it
• 22:12
  was
• 22:12
  just,
• 22:12
  you
• 22:13
  know,
• 22:13
  evolving
• 22:13
  into,
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  know,
• 22:15
  just
• 22:15
  him
• 22:16
  getting
• 22:16
  a
• 22:16
  little
• 22:16
  more
• 22:16
  mature
• 22:17
  and
• 22:17
  realizing
• 22:18
  that,
• 22:19
  you
• 22:19
  know,
• 22:19
  he,
• 22:19
  he
• 22:20
  had
• 22:20
  a
• 22:20
  little
• 22:20
  affirmation
• 22:21
  card
• 22:21
  that
• 22:21
  he
• 22:21
  wrote
• 22:21
  that
• 22:22
  he
• 22:22
  kept
• 22:22
  in
• 22:22
  his
• 22:22
  car
• 22:22
  that
• 22:22
  said,
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  will
• 22:23
  coach
• 22:23
  this
• 22:23
  team
• 22:23
  with
• 22:24
  discipline
• 22:24
  today.
• 22:25
  So
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  lot
• 22:25
  of
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  was
• 22:26
  just
• 22:26
  that.
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  So
• 22:29
  you
• 22:29
  talk,
• 22:29
  you
• 22:30
  know,
• 22:30
  a
• 22:30
  lot,
• 22:30
  not
• 22:30
  only
• 22:30
  about
• 22:31
  Pete,
• 22:31
  but
• 22:31
  you
• 22:31
  talk
• 22:32
  about
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  lot
• 22:32
  about
• 22:32
  the
• 22:32
  players.
• 22:33
  You
• 22:33
  have,
• 22:33
  you
• 22:33
  know,
• 22:34
  great
• 22:34
  background
• 22:34
  on
• 22:35
  Matt
• 22:35
  Leinert
• 22:35
  and
• 22:36
  Reggie
• 22:36
  Bush
• 22:36
  and,
• 22:37
  you
• 22:37
  know,
• 22:37
  some
• 22:37
  of
• 22:37
  these
• 22:37
  other
• 22:38
  great
• 22:38
  players
• 22:38
  from
• 22:38
  that,
• 22:38
  that
• 22:39
  era
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  USC
• 22:39
  football.
• 22:40
  What
• 22:41
  was
• 22:41
  maybe
• 22:41
  one
• 22:41
  of
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  most
• 22:42
  surprising
• 22:43
  items
• 22:43
  that,
• 22:44
  that
• 22:44
  you
• 22:44
  did
• 22:44
  during
• 22:45
  your
• 22:45
  research
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  you
• 22:45
  wrote
• 22:45
  about?
• 22:47
  I
• 22:47
  mean,
• 22:47
  there
• 22:47
  was
• 22:47
  a,
• 22:48
  there
• 22:48
  was
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  lot.
• 22:48
  I'll
• 22:48
  start,
• 22:49
  I'll
• 22:49
  start
• 22:49
  with
• 22:49
  Leiner
• 22:50
  because
• 22:50
  I,
• 22:50
  I,
• 22:50
  I
• 22:51
  vaguely
• 22:52
  knew
• 22:52
  Leonard's
• 22:53
  backstory,
• 22:53
  but
• 22:53
  I
• 22:53
  didn't
• 22:53
  know
• 22:53
  it
• 22:54
  quite
• 22:54
  that
• 22:54
  well.
• 22:55
  And,
• 22:55
  you
• 22:55
  know,
• 22:55
  I
• 22:56
  didn't
• 22:56
  realize
• 22:56
  that
• 22:56
  he
• 22:57
  was,
• 22:57
  you
• 22:57
  know,
• 22:57
  as
• 22:57
  a
• 22:57
  kid,
• 22:58
  he
• 22:58
  was,
• 22:58
  he
• 22:58
  was
• 22:59
  obese
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  cross
• 23:01
  eyed.
• 23:01
  He
• 23:02
  had
• 23:02
  something
• 23:02
  called
• 23:02
  strabismus,
• 23:04
  which
• 23:04
  is
• 23:04
  just
• 23:05
  a
• 23:05
  natural,
• 23:05
  you
• 23:05
  know,
• 23:05
  born
• 23:06
  kind
• 23:06
  of
• 23:06
  cross
• 23:06
  eyed.
• 23:07
  And
• 23:07
  he
• 23:07
  was,
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  know,
• 23:08
  mercilessly
• 23:09
  picked
• 23:09
  on
• 23:10
  as
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  kid.
• 23:10
  Every
• 23:11
  once
• 23:11
  in
• 23:11
  a
• 23:11
  while
• 23:11
  his
• 23:11
  older
• 23:12
  brother
• 23:12
  would
• 23:12
  step
• 23:12
  in.
• 23:12
  But,
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  know,
• 23:13
  this
• 23:13
  is
• 23:13
  back
• 23:13
  before
• 23:14
  there
• 23:14
  was
• 23:14
  like
• 23:14
  a
• 23:14
  national
• 23:14
  conversation
• 23:15
  about
• 23:15
  bullying,
• 23:15
  right?
• 23:15
  You
• 23:16
  just
• 23:16
  kind
• 23:16
  of,
• 23:16
  if
• 23:16
  you
• 23:16
  got
• 23:16
  bullied,
• 23:17
  you
• 23:17
  kind
• 23:17
  of
• 23:17
  grinned
• 23:18
  and
• 23:18
  bared
• 23:18
  it,
• 23:18
  but
• 23:19
  it
• 23:19
  like,
• 23:19
  it
• 23:20
  dug
• 23:20
  into
• 23:20
  his
• 23:21
  soul,
• 23:21
  you
• 23:21
  know,
• 23:21
  and
• 23:22
  eventually
• 23:22
  he
• 23:23
  got
• 23:23
  his
• 23:23
  eyes
• 23:23
  fixed.
• 23:24
  And,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  this
• 23:25
  is
• 23:26
  like
• 23:26
  the,
• 23:26
  it's
• 23:26
  like
• 23:26
  the,
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  swan
• 23:28
  story,
• 23:28
  right?
• 23:28
  The
• 23:30
  fairy
• 23:30
  tale,
• 23:31
  but,
• 23:31
  you
• 23:31
  know,
• 23:31
  the.
• 23:31
  Ugly
• 23:32
  duckling
• 23:32
  type
• 23:32
  thing.
• 23:32
  Exactly.
• 23:33
  Ugly
• 23:33
  duck.
• 23:33
  This
• 23:33
  is
• 23:33
  the
• 23:34
  ugly
• 23:34
  duckling
• 23:34
  thing.
• 23:34
  So
• 23:34
  he,
• 23:35
  and
• 23:35
  then
• 23:35
  he,
• 23:35
  you
• 23:36
  know,
• 23:36
  ninth
• 23:36
  grade,
• 23:36
  all
• 23:36
  of
• 23:37
  a
• 23:37
  sudden
• 23:37
  he
• 23:37
  kind
• 23:37
  of
• 23:37
  grows
• 23:37
  tall
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  like
• 23:38
  has
• 23:38
  muscles,
• 23:38
  stuff
• 23:39
  like
• 23:39
  this,
• 23:39
  and
• 23:39
  becomes
• 23:39
  this
• 23:39
  incredible
• 23:40
  athlete.
• 23:40
  Like
• 23:40
  great
• 23:41
  basketball
• 23:41
  player,
• 23:41
  great
• 23:42
  baseball
• 23:42
  player
• 23:42
  and
• 23:42
  phenomenal
• 23:43
  quarterback.
• 23:44
  And,
• 23:45
  you
• 23:45
  know,
• 23:46
  I
• 23:47
  feel
• 23:47
  like
• 23:47
  one
• 23:47
  thing
• 23:47
  that,
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  just
• 23:48
  kept,
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  know,
• 23:50
  Leonard
• 23:51
  always
• 23:51
  kept
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  hurt
• 23:52
  close
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  him
• 23:52
  a
• 23:53
  little
• 23:53
  bit,
• 23:53
  right.
• 23:53
  As
• 23:53
  a,
• 23:53
  as
• 23:54
  a
• 23:54
  motivator,
• 23:54
  as
• 23:55
  something
• 23:55
  that,
• 23:55
  like,
• 23:55
  you
• 23:56
  know,
• 23:56
  he
• 23:56
  just,
• 23:56
  he
• 23:56
  just
• 23:56
  never
• 23:57
  forgot
• 23:57
  it.
• 23:57
  Right?
• 23:57
  And
• 23:58
  in
• 23:58
  some
• 23:58
  ways
• 23:58
  that's
• 23:58
  what
• 23:58
  he.
• 23:59
  Much
• 24:00
  tougher
• 24:00
  quarterback
• 24:00
  than
• 24:01
  we
• 24:01
  give
• 24:01
  him
• 24:01
  credit
• 24:01
  for.
• 24:01
  Had
• 24:02
  some
• 24:02
  bad
• 24:02
  injuries
• 24:02
  at
• 24:02
  usc,
• 24:03
  played
• 24:03
  through
• 24:03
  him,
• 24:05
  Great
• 24:05
  leader.
• 24:06
  And
• 24:06
  then,
• 24:07
  you
• 24:07
  know
• 24:07
  what's
• 24:07
  interesting,
• 24:08
  you
• 24:08
  know,
• 24:08
  I
• 24:08
  was
• 24:08
  talking
• 24:08
  about
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  celebrities
• 24:10
  earlier
• 24:12
  to
• 24:12
  a
• 24:13
  certain
• 24:13
  degree,
• 24:13
  Reggie
• 24:14
  Bush
• 24:14
  and
• 24:14
  he,
• 24:14
  but
• 24:14
  particularly
• 24:15
  Matt
• 24:15
  Leiner
• 24:15
  became
• 24:16
  as
• 24:16
  famous,
• 24:17
  if
• 24:17
  not
• 24:17
  more
• 24:17
  famous
• 24:18
  than
• 24:18
  some
• 24:18
  of
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  Celebrities
• 24:19
  who
• 24:19
  were
• 24:19
  coming
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  watch
• 24:19
  the
• 24:20
  team.
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  mean,
• 24:20
  Matt
• 24:21
  Leiner.
• 24:21
  I
• 24:21
  was
• 24:21
  looking
• 24:21
  through
• 24:21
  old
• 24:21
  issues
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  People
• 24:22
  magazine
• 24:23
  and
• 24:23
  Us
• 24:23
  Weekly,
• 24:23
  you
• 24:24
  know,
• 24:24
  which
• 24:24
  were
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  sort
• 24:24
  of
• 24:25
  gossip
• 24:25
  rags
• 24:25
  back
• 24:26
  then.
• 24:26
  He's
• 24:26
  all
• 24:27
  over
• 24:27
  them.
• 24:27
  He's
• 24:28
  out
• 24:28
  there
• 24:28
  with
• 24:28
  Britney
• 24:28
  Spears
• 24:29
  and
• 24:29
  he's
• 24:29
  out
• 24:29
  there
• 24:29
  with
• 24:29
  Paris
• 24:29
  Hilton.
• 24:30
  The
• 24:30
  documenting
• 24:30
  him
• 24:31
  coming
• 24:31
  out
• 24:31
  of
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  Chateau
• 24:31
  Mormont,
• 24:32
  all
• 24:32
  this
• 24:32
  kind
• 24:32
  of
• 24:32
  stuff.
• 24:32
  So
• 24:33
  this
• 24:33
  guy,
• 24:33
  as
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  college
• 24:34
  kid,
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  know,
• 24:35
  is.
• 24:35
  Is.
• 24:36
  Is
• 24:36
  part
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  that.
• 24:37
  That
• 24:37
  sort
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  what
• 24:38
  we
• 24:38
  call
• 24:39
  now
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  TMZ
• 24:39
  kind
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  universe,
• 24:40
  right?
• 24:40
  People
• 24:41
  are
• 24:41
  following
• 24:41
  them
• 24:41
  around.
• 24:42
  One
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  my
• 24:42
  favorite
• 24:42
  anecdotes
• 24:43
  in
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  book
• 24:43
  is
• 24:44
  after
• 24:44
  practice
• 24:45
  one
• 24:45
  day,
• 24:45
  Will
• 24:45
  Ferrell
• 24:47
  comes
• 24:47
  up
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  liner
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  says,
• 24:48
  you
• 24:48
  want
• 24:48
  to
• 24:48
  go
• 24:48
  have
• 24:48
  lunch?
• 24:49
  And
• 24:49
  they
• 24:49
  go
• 24:49
  sit
• 24:49
  down
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  have
• 24:50
  lunch,
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  a
• 24:50
  student
• 24:50
  comes
• 24:51
  up
• 24:51
  and
• 24:51
  asks
• 24:51
  for
• 24:51
  Leinert
• 24:52
  autograph
• 24:52
  and
• 24:53
  not
• 24:53
  Will
• 24:53
  Ferrell's,
• 24:54
  which
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  love.
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  mean,
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  me,
• 24:55
  that
• 24:55
  was
• 24:55
  sort
• 24:55
  of
• 24:55
  emblematic
• 24:56
  of
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  whole
• 24:56
  thing.
• 24:57
  So,
• 24:57
  you
• 24:57
  know,
• 24:57
  I
• 24:58
  loved
• 24:58
  all
• 24:58
  that
• 24:58
  stuff.
• 24:58
  I
• 24:58
  love
• 24:59
  getting
• 24:59
  Carol's.
• 25:00
  You
• 25:00
  know,
• 25:00
  it's
• 25:01
  cool
• 25:01
  to
• 25:01
  interview
• 25:01
  people
• 25:02
  after
• 25:02
  they've
• 25:03
  had
• 25:03
  a
• 25:03
  little,
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  know,
• 25:04
  there's
• 25:04
  some
• 25:04
  distance
• 25:05
  now
• 25:05
  between
• 25:05
  these
• 25:05
  things.
• 25:06
  I've
• 25:06
  had
• 25:06
  time
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  kind
• 25:06
  of
• 25:07
  really
• 25:07
  think
• 25:07
  about
• 25:07
  it.
• 25:07
  They've
• 25:08
  had
• 25:08
  time
• 25:08
  to
• 25:08
  hopefully
• 25:08
  be
• 25:08
  more
• 25:09
  honest
• 25:09
  about
• 25:09
  it.
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  feel
• 25:10
  like,
• 25:10
  you
• 25:10
  know,
• 25:10
  there's.
• 25:10
  If
• 25:11
  you
• 25:11
  interview
• 25:11
  people
• 25:11
  three
• 25:12
  years
• 25:12
  after
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  run's
• 25:12
  over
• 25:12
  or
• 25:13
  five
• 25:13
  years,
• 25:13
  they
• 25:13
  can
• 25:13
  be
• 25:13
  a
• 25:14
  little.
• 25:14
  Their
• 25:14
  heads
• 25:15
  are
• 25:15
  still
• 25:15
  messed
• 25:15
  up
• 25:15
  about
• 25:15
  it.
• 25:15
  But
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  get,
• 25:17
  you
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:17
  Lane
• 25:17
  Kiffin's
• 25:18
  point
• 25:19
  of
• 25:19
  view
• 25:19
  on,
• 25:19
  you
• 25:20
  know,
• 25:20
  not
• 25:20
  only
• 25:20
  Dynasty,
• 25:21
  but.
• 25:21
  But
• 25:21
  specific
• 25:22
  plays
• 25:22
  like
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  Bush
• 25:22
  push,
• 25:23
  like,
• 25:23
  what
• 25:23
  was
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  call
• 25:23
  there?
• 25:24
  Or
• 25:24
  what
• 25:25
  was
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  call
• 25:25
  on,
• 25:26
  you
• 25:26
  know,
• 25:26
  Lindell
• 25:27
  White's,
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  know,
• 25:27
  missed
• 25:28
  fourth
• 25:28
  down
• 25:28
  in
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  USC
• 25:29
  Texas.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  get
• 25:32
  all
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  insight
• 25:33
  from
• 25:33
  Carol
• 25:33
  and
• 25:34
  Kiffin,
• 25:34
  but
• 25:34
  also
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  players,
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  talk
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  Lindell
• 25:35
  White
• 25:36
  about
• 25:36
  what
• 25:36
  it
• 25:36
  felt
• 25:36
  like
• 25:36
  to,
• 25:37
  you
• 25:37
  know,
• 25:37
  not
• 25:38
  quite
• 25:38
  make
• 25:38
  it.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:40
  then,
• 25:40
  you
• 25:40
  know,
• 25:40
  I
• 25:40
  mean,
• 25:40
  I
• 25:40
  don't
• 25:41
  know
• 25:41
  if
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  remember
• 25:41
  this
• 25:41
  in
• 25:41
  the.
• 25:41
  In
• 25:42
  the.
• 25:42
  Or
• 25:42
  if
• 25:42
  your
• 25:42
  listeners
• 25:43
  remember
• 25:43
  it,
• 25:43
  but
• 25:43
  in
• 25:43
  the
• 25:44
  national
• 25:44
  title
• 25:45
  game,
• 25:45
  USC
• 25:46
  was
• 25:46
  kind
• 25:46
  of
• 25:46
  rolling
• 25:47
  early,
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  they
• 25:47
  had
• 25:47
  a
• 25:48
  screen
• 25:48
  pass
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  went
• 25:48
  to
• 25:48
  Reggie
• 25:49
  Bush,
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  he
• 25:49
  just
• 25:50
  rumbled
• 25:50
  down
• 25:50
  the
• 25:51
  field
• 25:51
  60
• 25:51
  some
• 25:52
  yards.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:53
  it
• 25:53
  looked
• 25:53
  like,
• 25:53
  okay,
• 25:53
  here
• 25:53
  the
• 25:54
  route
• 25:54
  is
• 25:54
  going
• 25:54
  to
• 25:54
  be
• 25:54
  on.
• 25:55
  And
• 25:55
  just
• 25:55
  as
• 25:56
  he
• 25:56
  was
• 25:56
  being
• 25:56
  tackled
• 25:57
  out
• 25:57
  of
• 25:58
  nowhere,
• 25:58
  he
• 25:58
  tries
• 25:59
  to
• 25:59
  lateral
• 25:59
  it
• 25:59
  back
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  this.
• 26:00
  This
• 26:00
  guy
• 26:01
  who
• 26:01
  was
• 26:01
  a
• 26:01
  walk
• 26:01
  on,
• 26:02
  who
• 26:02
  was
• 26:02
  there
• 26:02
  basically
• 26:03
  as
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  blocking
• 26:03
  receiver.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  it
• 26:04
  was
• 26:04
  a
• 26:04
  terrible
• 26:05
  lateral.
• 26:05
  This
• 26:06
  guy
• 26:06
  wasn't
• 26:06
  this
• 26:06
  guy's
• 26:07
  fault
• 26:07
  at
• 26:07
  all.
• 26:07
  He
• 26:08
  didn't
• 26:08
  catch
• 26:08
  it.
• 26:09
  Texas
• 26:10
  jumps
• 26:10
  on
• 26:10
  it.
• 26:10
  They
• 26:10
  go
• 26:10
  down
• 26:11
  and
• 26:11
  Score.
• 26:11
  The
• 26:11
  whole
• 26:11
  game
• 26:12
  has
• 26:12
  changed
• 26:12
  on
• 26:12
  that.
• 26:13
  So
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  get
• 26:14
  a
• 26:14
  talk,
• 26:14
  I
• 26:14
  interviewed
• 26:15
  that.
• 26:15
  Walk
• 26:15
  on.
• 26:16
  What
• 26:16
  was
• 26:16
  it
• 26:16
  like?
• 26:17
  What
• 26:17
  were
• 26:17
  you
• 26:17
  doing
• 26:18
  out
• 26:18
  there?
• 26:18
  What
• 26:18
  did
• 26:18
  it
• 26:19
  feel
• 26:19
  like?
• 26:19
  And
• 26:20
  it
• 26:20
  was.
• 26:20
  It
• 26:20
  was
• 26:20
  kind
• 26:20
  of
• 26:21
  sort
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  sad
• 26:21
  in
• 26:22
  some
• 26:22
  ways
• 26:22
  because
• 26:22
  he's
• 26:22
  still
• 26:23
  is.
• 26:23
  You
• 26:24
  know,
• 26:24
  he's
• 26:24
  not
• 26:24
  remembered
• 26:24
  for
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  father
• 26:25
  he
• 26:25
  is
• 26:25
  or
• 26:25
  the
• 26:26
  husband
• 26:26
  he
• 26:26
  is
• 26:26
  or
• 26:26
  what
• 26:26
  he
• 26:27
  does
• 26:27
  for
• 26:27
  his
• 26:27
  work.
• 26:27
  He's.
• 26:27
  Oh,
• 26:28
  you
• 26:28
  didn't
• 26:28
  catch
• 26:28
  that
• 26:29
  lateral.
• 26:29
  That's
• 26:29
  what
• 26:29
  people
• 26:29
  say
• 26:30
  to
• 26:30
  him
• 26:30
  when
• 26:30
  he.
• 26:30
  When
• 26:30
  they
• 26:30
  come
• 26:30
  up
• 26:30
  to
• 26:31
  him.
• 26:31
  So,
• 26:31
  you
• 26:31
  know,
• 26:31
  we
• 26:32
  forget
• 26:32
  there's,
• 26:32
  like
• 26:32
  little
• 26:32
  human
• 26:33
  stories
• 26:33
  within
• 26:33
  all
• 26:33
  of
• 26:34
  these
• 26:34
  stories
• 26:35
  as
• 26:35
  well.
• 26:35
  So
• 26:35
  I
• 26:35
  just
• 26:36
  love
• 26:36
  all
• 26:36
  that
• 26:36
  stuff.
• 26:37
  Yeah,
• 26:37
  it's
• 26:38
  brilliantly
• 26:38
  done.
• 26:39
  Why
• 26:40
  don't
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  give
• 26:40
  us
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  name
• 26:41
  of
• 26:41
  your
• 26:42
  book
• 26:42
  again
• 26:42
  and
• 26:42
  where
• 26:42
  folks
• 26:43
  can
• 26:43
  get
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  copy?
• 26:44
  It's
• 26:44
  called
• 26:44
  Men
• 26:44
  of
• 26:44
  Troy
• 26:45
  and
• 26:46
  it
• 26:46
  better
• 26:46
  damn
• 26:47
  well
• 26:47
  be
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  your
• 26:47
  local
• 26:47
  bookstore.
• 26:48
  If
• 26:48
  it's
• 26:48
  not,
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  can.
• 26:49
  Can
• 26:49
  ask
• 26:50
  them
• 26:50
  to
• 26:50
  get
• 26:50
  one.
• 26:50
  It's
• 26:50
  also
• 26:50
  on
• 26:51
  Amazon
• 26:51
  if
• 26:51
  you.
• 26:51
  If
• 26:52
  you
• 26:52
  prefer
• 26:52
  that.
• 26:53
  And
• 26:53
  I
• 26:54
  can
• 26:54
  be
• 26:54
  reached
• 26:54
  through
• 26:54
  my
• 26:54
  website
• 26:55
  if
• 26:55
  you
• 26:55
  want
• 26:55
  to,
• 26:56
  you
• 26:57
  know,
• 26:57
  talk
• 26:57
  to
• 26:57
  me
• 26:57
  about
• 26:58
  it.
• 26:58
  I
• 26:58
  can.
• 26:58
  I'll.
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  love
• 26:59
  chatting
• 26:59
  with
• 26:59
  people
• 27:00
  who've
• 27:00
  read
• 27:00
  it,
• 27:00
  even
• 27:01
  people
• 27:01
  who
• 27:01
  have
• 27:01
  beefs
• 27:02
  with
• 27:02
  it.
• 27:02
  I've
• 27:02
  got
• 27:02
  no
• 27:02
  problem.
• 27:03
  Bring
• 27:03
  it
• 27:03
  on.
• 27:03
  Let's
• 27:04
  go.
• 27:04
  So,
• 27:04
  yeah,
• 27:05
  yeah,
• 27:06
  it's
• 27:06
  a.
• 27:06
  It's
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  great
• 27:07
  story,
• 27:07
  folks.
• 27:07
  It's
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  controversial
• 27:09
  story,
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  know,
• 27:10
  because
• 27:11
  it
• 27:11
  was
• 27:11
  in
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  public
• 27:11
  eye
• 27:12
  and
• 27:12
  so,
• 27:13
  you
• 27:13
  know,
• 27:13
  really
• 27:14
  brought
• 27:14
  a
• 27:14
  bad
• 27:14
  light
• 27:15
  into
• 27:15
  football.
• 27:16
  But
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  history
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  book
• 27:17
  and
• 27:18
  the,
• 27:18
  you
• 27:18
  know,
• 27:19
  the
• 27:19
  journalism
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  you
• 27:20
  did
• 27:20
  on
• 27:20
  this
• 27:20
  is
• 27:20
  excellent
• 27:21
  and,
• 27:21
  and
• 27:21
  I
• 27:22
  highly
• 27:22
  recommend
• 27:22
  it.
• 27:22
  And
• 27:23
  we
• 27:23
  really
• 27:23
  thank
• 27:23
  you
• 27:24
  for
• 27:24
  joining
• 27:24
  us,
• 27:24
  Monty,
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  good
• 27:25
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• 27:25
  with
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  sale
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  book,
• 27:26
  of
• 27:27
  course.
• 27:27
  Thank
• 27:27
  you
• 27:27
  very
• 27:27
  much
• 27:27
  for
• 27:28
  having
• 27:28
  me
• 27:28
  on.
• 27:28
  I
• 27:28
  appreciate
• 27:28
  it.
• 27:30
  That's
• 27:30
  all
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  football
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• 27:31
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