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The Old Bait and Switch · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, we had nothing but the best here.
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  Speaker 7: You can sit on my lap if you'd like.
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  Speaker 3: Now, listen, this is bound to cause a bit of
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  Speaker 3: confusion because the host, the master of ceremonies is named
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  Speaker 3: Brian and the guy who's full of hate is named Brian.
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  Speaker 3: How are we going to keep them separated?
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  Speaker 5: You know, call me Brian hate.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to need some code names here is what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: You're the show with crazy code names.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of that crazy show, you guys have been on
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  Speaker 1: as the cast of Tower of Technobabble.
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  Speaker 6: Minus Paul, of course. But Paul never leaves the house.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay. But yeah, you haven't been on a long
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  Speaker 1: time because the tower disappeared for a while. I looked
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  Speaker 1: out my window and the tower was gone at one point.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell?
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  Speaker 3: We sent it off to get it cleaned.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, that's what it was. All right. But this was
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  Speaker 1: also a good excuse to tell people that The Tower
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  Speaker 1: is back and somewhat up and running. Are you guys
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  Speaker 1: officially semi-regular now?
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  Speaker 7: Much like Brigadoon, we're back. Musical theater, everybody gets that, right?
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  Speaker 1: Crickets, crickets.
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  Speaker 5: I'm guessing a song from Brigadoon, if you want.
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  Speaker 1: Do we really want that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're sort of like a leap year podcast.
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  Speaker 7: That's true. We come out semi-regularly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're getting old and there's so many
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  Speaker 3: other younger guys out there doing this internet thing. And, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we, well, basically, you know, one day I
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  Speaker 3: woke up and I was no longer angry. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: have anything else to say. And I called Paul. Paul said,
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  Speaker 3: it's funny. I haven't been angry for, for, uh, months.
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  Speaker 3: And then I called Dave and Dave was like, I
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  Speaker 3: thought that it, that it, that it was you guys who,
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  Speaker 3: who was angry, but it, and I was, and so
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  Speaker 3: we just, you know, but now what, what we're finding
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  Speaker 3: out is, when you get older it takes a little
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  Speaker 3: bit longer for some kind of for certain processes to
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  Speaker 3: build up to the threshold situation where you feel the
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  Speaker 3: need to release so yeah we're the.
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  Speaker 7: Tea kettle of the podcasting world yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The internet is made for releasing is what you're telling me.
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  Speaker 3: A watch internet will not.
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  Speaker 7: Download i'm sticking with my example when one of us
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  Speaker 7: gets angry enough we set the tower uh tower signal
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  Speaker 7: in the sky and we all convene.
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  Speaker 6: All right. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: And you're welcome to stop by too, Brian.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard that before.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait, I haven't.
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  Speaker 7: We'll get you a new key code in a little while.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I would hope I can at least sneak in and
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  Speaker 1: we won't tell Paul and we'll just sneak up.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, we do talk about movies from time
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  Speaker 3: to time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see. And anytime we want to cross over, we
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  Speaker 1: can spill over into this side and we can plan
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  Speaker 1: some major movie discussions.
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  Speaker 3: Because the problem is, though, sometimes we'll start talking about movies,
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  Speaker 3: but I'll bring in TV, and you don't like that.
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  Speaker 3: You don't like when I bring in TV.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem with TV. I have watched TV
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  Speaker 1: on many an occasion.
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  Speaker 7: It's a fad.
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  Speaker 1: I actually like several shows that I wish I could
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  Speaker 1: talk about more, and I don't on this show. If
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  Speaker 1: only there was another show that I could go on
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  Speaker 1: and talk about.
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  Speaker 3: TV meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: I've considered that.
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  Speaker 7: Basic cable meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: I've considered that as a spinoff option. I've already got
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  Speaker 1: one spinoff show. I'm trying to keep it under control
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  Speaker 1: until the rest of the cast wants to join in.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, a footnote. I actually have a podcast recommendation for
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  Speaker 3: you after the show. I don't want to plug someone else's.
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  Speaker 6: Please don't.
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  Speaker 1: There's enough of those out there.
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  Speaker 7: Just let that curiosity burn.
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  Speaker 6: All right, so.
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  Speaker 1: Since we're deciding what these topics should be on our
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  Speaker 1: future episodes, let's pick one for this time.
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  Speaker 6: So did you have.
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  Speaker 1: Something you wanted to address this time, Dave, or do
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  Speaker 1: you want me to just throw it to my backup plan?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I do have a movie experience.
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  Speaker 1: An experience.
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  Speaker 7: An experience it was. Okay, 2016, I'm trying to plug
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  Speaker 7: holes in my geek knowledge that, you know, movies that
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  Speaker 7: I should have seen but just haven't.
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  Speaker 6: We kind of all go through that.
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  Speaker 1: There's plenty of those that even I think of them
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  Speaker 1: and go, it's ridiculous that I haven't seen insert random
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  Speaker 1: well-loved movie.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We all kind of have.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly. So I'm making an effort to, you know, correct this.
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  Speaker 7: So I've decided that, you know, if there's nothing I
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  Speaker 7: want to see on, I will find something that I
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  Speaker 7: should have seen. So I found this movie from 1977
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  Speaker 7: that changed a lot of people's lives. It changed the
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  Speaker 7: way they thought, changed the way they dress, changed the
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  Speaker 7: way they interacted with each other. And I've never seen it.
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  Speaker 7: So I, and it was on Hulu, so I turned
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  Speaker 7: it on and watched the 1977 opus, Saturday Night Fever.
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  Speaker 7: It had lights and that's about where the.
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  Speaker 1: There was flashing.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, wait. Just flashing floor lights.
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  Speaker 1: That's different.
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  Speaker 6: Why didn't they have that floor in the Millennium Falcon?
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  Speaker 7: That would have been cool. Well, we didn't see all
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  Speaker 7: the Falcon, you know. We only saw like two, three
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  Speaker 7: places in it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, on the floor of the Falcon.
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  Speaker 6: You just wait.
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  Speaker 3: If you notice, the floor of the Falcon had that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, grating that could easily be picked up. He
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  Speaker 3: didn't pick up all of that grading. You don't know
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  Speaker 3: what was underneath the rest of it, man.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 7: They could have had the lights. They just didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the 70s.
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  Speaker 3: Han Solo was flying around in the space equivalent of
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  Speaker 3: a custom conversion van. You know, he probably had a
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  Speaker 3: whole room that was nothing but shag carpeting. And flashing
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  Speaker 3: lights and Almond Brother posters. Space Almond Brother posters.
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  Speaker 1: And there's another side of the Falcon that we never,
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  Speaker 1: they just sort of went around it, but it also
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  Speaker 1: has a bitchin' airbrush picture on the side. A wizard
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  Speaker 1: and a dragon.
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  Speaker 7: It's a fantasy.
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  Speaker 6: So, all that aside, what were your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 6: Disco Classic?
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  Speaker 7: Have any of you seen this?
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  Speaker 5: I don't really know, no.
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  Speaker 1: I have, but it's been several years. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I need to revisit it because I'm kind of sketchy
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  Speaker 1: on details. I just remember the awesome dance scenes.
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  Speaker 3: I oddly remember being taken to the drive-in by my
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  Speaker 3: parents and seeing it. What's a drive-in, Grant? I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why I remember this, but I remember being bored silly.
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  Speaker 3: And the only thing that I remember from it is...
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  Speaker 3: One character telling another character a story about whenever they
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  Speaker 3: were pouring the foundations for the Brooklyn Bridge, some guy
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  Speaker 3: fell in and they couldn't get him out. Am I
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  Speaker 3: remembering this.
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  Speaker 4: Wrong, Dave?
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  Speaker 7: It's the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right. And for some reason, that always
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  Speaker 3: stuck with me. It was very impressionable to a very
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  Speaker 3: small child like myself in 1977.
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  Speaker 1: Because you were afraid it was going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: It kind of terrified me. Suddenly, I thought, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: The world isn't a safe place? What the hell, man?
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  Speaker 3: There could be people encased in concrete everywhere. And then
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  Speaker 3: as I got older, I began to hear that story
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  Speaker 3: repeated for every freaking bridge ever made. Apparently, there's three
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  Speaker 3: guys that are encased in the Kennedy Bridge. The LNN
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  Speaker 3: Walking Bridge is just made of basically Indian bones.
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  Speaker 1: Don't learn anything about Jimmy Hoffa. That's my advice.
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  Speaker 3: That's my Saturday Night Fever story. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 3: I never saw the movie over again. But oddly enough,
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  Speaker 3: this movie left an impression on me, coupled with watching
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  Speaker 3: Sesame Street when I was a kid, that basically told
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  Speaker 3: me that New York City was a terrifying place. It
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  Speaker 3: was dirty, dangerous. Nothing, everything was grungy and these poor
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  Speaker 3: little puppets were scraping out an existence of poverty and
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  Speaker 3: trying to cheer themselves up with songs about the alphabet
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  Speaker 3: and shapes.
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  Speaker 7: Between doing all those hand jobs for cash.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly!
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  Speaker 6: Or Bobo Muppets living in trash cans and shit.
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  Speaker 4: Right!
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, sometimes I'd be playing with my little
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars figures and Dad would be watching TV and
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  Speaker 3: it would land on a show like Barney Miller. And
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  Speaker 3: it would just reinforce the impression that I had that
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  Speaker 3: New York was a cesspool of terrorizing lawlessness and really
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  Speaker 3: bad colors and everything was beige. Why was everything beige
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  Speaker 3: in the 70s?
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  Speaker 1: So... But they only had that one little holding cell.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, that makes New York kind of like Mayberry, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and Fish was in charge.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: It's bigger on the inside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. That cell did have a little corner
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  Speaker 3: that kind of went back further.
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  Speaker 1: And Otis was there, passed out.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, New York terrified me. And the first time
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  Speaker 3: I went to New York, I expected to see just
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  Speaker 3: trash everywhere, people getting mugged, and guys wearing white suits
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  Speaker 3: carrying paint carrying paint cans grooving as they walked down
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  Speaker 3: the street. That was a segue. That was the best
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  Speaker 3: segue I could have made.
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  Speaker 1: On an up note, that's like the best bass line ever, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the song's kind of cheesy because the vocals
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  Speaker 1: are overly high-pitched, but that bass line's there.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Barney Miller, I have to give the best
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  Speaker 3: bass line ever to Barney Miller, but I will give
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  Speaker 3: the Bee Gees song a close second, okay?
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  Speaker 1: As TV theme songs go, I mean, how many TV
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  Speaker 1: theme songs start with a bass line?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, tons. Night Court.
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  Speaker 1: Can you recreate them now? Are you sitting next to
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  Speaker 1: a bass, perhaps?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I am, but I'm not within arm's reach of it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, damn it.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, so, boy, this has been the best talk
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  Speaker 3: about Saturday Night Fever. I thought I'd have nothing to
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  Speaker 3: talk about. Nothing to contribute.
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  Speaker 1: Here I am.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we'd ever run into that situation.
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  Speaker 3: But the point is, it's like, I haven't seen it
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  Speaker 3: since I was a child, since 1977. But it's one
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  Speaker 3: of those movies where I know every single cliche from
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  Speaker 3: it because it has been parodied and mentioned and talked
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  Speaker 3: about for so long. I almost wouldn't have to have
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  Speaker 3: seen this movie. It's basically how I get through life
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  Speaker 3: with all kinds of other movies. Like, I hadn't seen
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  Speaker 3: Gone with the Wind, but I knew all of the
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  Speaker 3: high points, you know? And same thing with Saturday Night Fever.
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  Speaker 3: But Dave, so are you now wearing a white polyester suit?
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  Speaker 3: Are you like grooving more? How has this movie changed
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  Speaker 3: your life, man?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I thought the same thing. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: I haven't seen it, but I know all the tropes.
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  Speaker 7: So it's just turns out the movie is actually very
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  Speaker 7: different from the tropes from an anthropological standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's got like a reputation and
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  Speaker 1: it's just built around that cheesy dance scene. But like
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  Speaker 1: once you settle into it, there's actually like a whole
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  Speaker 1: drama about this kid's life going on that nobody really
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  Speaker 1: remembers that part.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's only like 20 minutes of dancing in this
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  Speaker 7: two hour film.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
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  Speaker 7: It's a time capsule of that terrible New York City
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  Speaker 7: in the 70s where everything was filled with trash and junk.
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  Speaker 1: Before the cleanup, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they wish they didn't have cameras back then.
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  Speaker 7: They were filming all over the place. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 7: it was interesting in that way. But it is a
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  Speaker 7: dreadful movie.
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  Speaker 3: Just awful.
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  Speaker 7: The worst thing about it.
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  Speaker 1: Tone-wise?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, tone-wise.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... Is it a good representation of what
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to tell?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's well shot. It's in focus and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. It's in focus. You got that going for you.
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  Speaker 7: So, you know, it's got some craftsmanship to it. A,
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  Speaker 7: it absolutely hates women. And I don't know if the
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  Speaker 7: 70s were like this.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, when this movie came out, I was eight
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  Speaker 7: years old, so I didn't really have a lot of
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  Speaker 7: misogyny in my life. Living in little Podunk, Indiana like
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 6: Older times in general are not really kind to women.
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  Speaker 1: They're really not.
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  Speaker 6: Even the 70s kind of counts as one of those eras.
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  Speaker 7: At one point, 15 minutes left in the film, roughly,
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  Speaker 7: the main character, our hero, Tony Travolta, Attempts to rape
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  Speaker 7: a woman.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like this at all.
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  Speaker 7: I know.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe that's why I blocked that part out.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, A, you know, that's not something you can
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  Speaker 7: really come back from. And B, 15 minutes left in
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  Speaker 7: the movie. That's not a lot of time to really,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you know, really build yourself back up.
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  Speaker 5: Did he blame it on the fever? That is out.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't in my right mind, man.
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  Speaker 7: No, it was that. It was that most 70s of afflictions. Disaffectment.
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  Speaker 7: He was just disaffected by everything and just looking to
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  Speaker 7: feel something different. So he tried to rape a girl.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like this.
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  Speaker 7: She kicked him in the nuts and he felt something different.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me, whenever he was attacking said girl, was he
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  Speaker 3: doing that famous dance pose that he's so known for?
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  Speaker 3: Was he trying to turn her on by doing that?
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  Speaker 7: No, it was in the backseat of a car. There
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  Speaker 7: really wasn't the room to really get that full, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I'll bet in his freaking head, though, he saw himself
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  Speaker 3: doing that pose, right, as he was... Because I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to basically understand why this movie is so popular.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's terrible. And so rape-dependent.
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  Speaker 1: It's so rapey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Based on this wrap-up, I'm just going to skip re-watching
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  Speaker 1: it and stick with Airplane, because that five-minute segment, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, gets everything you need to get out of
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night Fever without all the rapiness.
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  Speaker 7: Without all the rapiness.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually had a chance to watch this movie,
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  Speaker 5: and I sat down, and I saw the first few
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  Speaker 5: minutes of it, and like you mentioned, it was nothing
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  Speaker 5: like I expected. It's kind of like if you're watching Rocky,
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  Speaker 5: you expect fisticuffs, but you end up in the pet
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  Speaker 5: shop for a while, and it was like... It opened
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  Speaker 5: up and it's like Pet Shop or, you know, it
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  Speaker 5: was buckets of paint.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And sitting at the kitchen table like this is not
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  Speaker 5: what I thought, so I had to go.
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  Speaker 7: It is totally not. And the disco that you see,
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  Speaker 7: you know, in the famous pictures, I always thought it
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  Speaker 7: was like in Manhattan, you know, some glamorous disco where
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  Speaker 7: all the pretty people went and took quaaludes. No, it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: in this really crappy part of Brooklyn.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He's a Brooklyn boy.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: But it's this... Cinder block building out in the middle
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: of nowhere, but apparently has that floor. It's a nice floor.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: They spent all the money on the floor. But if
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: they look at any other part of the club, it's
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: just this grungy thing where it's just filled with cigarette
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: smoke and, and people in bib overalls that zip down
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: the front.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Basically the 70s inside a building what the hell i
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: know it's just the.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: 70s it looked like it was like one of the
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: old a and p's that got remodeled barely got barely
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: got remodeled they put a floor in it and turned
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: off the lights so.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like that our society has basically been
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: lying to us since the 19 since 1977 with the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: impression that this is a movie about disco dancing and
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: These kids were probably disco dancing to raise money to
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: save the club, which was being.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Save the rec center. Yeah, exactly.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And it turned out to be Rape Fest 77. I mean,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: do you feel like that society has basically just been
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: focusing on this 20 minutes of dancing?
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: It was quite the bait and switch, I'll tell you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Really? Okay.
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: And you know what they were dancing for? The top
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: prize was $ 500.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Well, just for inflation, that was what?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I'd take $ 500.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: $ 550.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: That buys a lot of paint.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: You could do a living room and a kitchen.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: You could fix up your A & P.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: Replace all those burnt out bulbs on the floor. But yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, the music's top notch. I mean, it is
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: a good soundtrack. It is a seminal soundtrack. It's all there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: It's all musician. The craftsmanship is great. But, oh my God,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: it is a depressing ass movie. Just from a lot
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: of different ways. Oh, it's racist, too. There's lots of
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: ethnic slurs.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: In the 70s.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: They make fun of homosexuals.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You don't even have to go back to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the 70s for that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Well, no. But it was approved of. They just walked
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: down the street.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. They always go on and on
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: about wanting to ban something like Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Finn because it has the N-word. But a movie like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Saturday Night Fever... A gazillion times worse. And, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: when it comes to since. Were there any.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Rapes in Tom Sawyer? I can't remember.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, it was probably somewhere in the back. I
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: never made it all the way through.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: Paul!
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: No.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, but it's like Saturday night fever is one
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: of these movies that we are told is beloved and
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: people love the movie and they like the cosplay to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: it and dance to it. Let's have a Saturday night
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: fever theme party, which probably ends horribly.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm not going to this part.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Well, let's frown upon, but you know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Has this experience put you off of seeking out and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: watching the 1983 sequel, Staying.
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: Alive, directed by Sylvester Stallone? As bad as this thing was,
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: and it was allegedly good, I can't imagine what that was.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that is our crossover episode right there.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: When we come back and do a full movie, it
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: needs to be staying alive.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: Well, if we do it as a group and we're
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: able to hold each other's hands while we do it,
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: I'm fine with that. But I don't want to do
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: it alone.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: I'm okay with that, you know.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It's certainly not the worst movie I've convinced people to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: watch for this show.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: No, it's not, actually. I saw it with my wife.
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: I saw Saturday Night Fever with my wife, and I
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: felt like apologizing several times.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: So she had never seen it?
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: No, she hadn't either.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to preview those beforehand.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I thought it was okay.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: I didn't expect all the rape.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Whenever you first brought it up to her, like, hey honey,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: why don't we have a stay-at-home date night? There's this movie.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: She was probably really excited because she probably had bought
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: into the whole myth of this.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: She'll be dancing around the living room.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: Instead, they're just kind of Awkward silence. Awkward silence and,
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: you know, pensive stares.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: And I lost control. Somebody lost control of the remote.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Okay. In 2010, Saturday Night Fever was deemed, quote, culturally, historically,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: or aesthetically significant, unquote, by the Library of Congress and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: therefore preserved for all time in their National Film Registry.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So, rape is in, guys.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, it was a time capsule at the time,
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: I'm sure.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I actually like when they do that kind
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of stuff again, mostly because I watch all these old
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: ridiculous movies and I feel like that's what they all are.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They really are time capsules to like this specific time
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: or the specific location that they shot it in and like.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I do feel like even like they always pick like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: these significant movies, but I'm like, they need to be
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: stockpiling all these old cheesy drive-in movies and all kinds
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of weird stuff because that's equally as much, if not
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: more of a perfect snapshot of these weird little societies
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and groups of people that existed at a time that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you're never going to have again.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: They're gone more than like.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Like I, I, I, one of my TV obsessions is
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the 1970s cop show Columbo. And one of the reasons
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I really like watching it is because you see in
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: crystal clear Netflix HD clarity, this image of Los Angeles
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: that is gone forever. It's really fascinating. Whenever he's driving
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: down like one of the main highways, you know, you
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: don't see signs for Target or Walmart or McDonald's or
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Burger King. It's It's basically urban sprawl, but it's mom
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and pop store urban sprawl. It's really fascinating.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: It hung on a little longer in L.A.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Just because they couldn't afford the real estate in L.A.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The Midwest was loaded with those chain stores. But L.A.,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, damn, it cost too much to open a Walmart.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Never mind.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I really think it's interesting that this has been,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: you know, that Congress has deemed this significant and to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: be preserved for all time. Do you think a movie
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: like this needs to have the equivalent of an asterisk,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: like a disclaimer, like a trigger warning, like a warning
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to parents on the cover?
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Well, yes, it should have a warning. Parents' warning contains
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: more rape than you would think it does. But it
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: was significant in that it's the snapshot of disco. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: I think it was a self-fulfilling prophecy because all the
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: discos is like, Oh, we need to be like Saturday
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: night fever. And it's like, yeah. So, you know, it's,
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: it is, um, it is relevant. It is, uh, you know, it's, it's,
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: it's a snapshot of that milieu, but, uh, man, it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: not a, it's not a nice snapshot of that milieu.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder if anyone has ever done a, like, uh,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: reedit all of the Phantom Menace where they take out
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: all of the really offensive parts. online where it says
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: 20 minutes of them dancing and having fun right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: All that polyester not even frowned upon polyester approved of polyester.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I mean it i think it's up to the viewer
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: because all of that stuff needs to be preserved because
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you look at like you know you go back to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: even great early cinema you know birth of a nation
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it's an amazingly well-made film it is a.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: Man who is a great director.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That was using technology that nobody else even knew how
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to use at the time now is it also a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: reflection of horrible racism yeah but again that's a pretty
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: good snapshot of the times too.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: He was using it for evil but look at that
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: technique I don't even know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That he was, I think again, it was just, it
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: was a reflection of the times. And I think if
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you go into that sort of thing, ignorant, all you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: want to do is latch on to the horrible things.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, if you kind of understand the time and.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Play, and I don't think it excuses the rape in
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: this movie, but like, look at.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Something like that. It's like, it is putting you in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the right place, but maybe, maybe that too. Maybe the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: seventies is such a, ridiculous time in american history that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: something like rape is yeah you could overlook it like
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: maybe at the time people weren't offended by.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: That oh you look at.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah it's one of those things i feel
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like it was not taken near as seriously even a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: period as recent as the 70s i think it's taken
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: is quite a while.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: For people to realize you know the horror it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Is, and especially men didn't take it seriously then, even
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: now it's arguable.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Well, there weren't really... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: talk over you. I was going to say, there weren't
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: really this new class of social justice warriors that are
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: offended by everything in the 70s.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: Well, you don't have to be a social justice warrior
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: to say, that's not cool.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: That's not a shade of gray.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you kind of, as the viewer need to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: go in and realize what you're getting yourself into, especially
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: if you're watching a movie that isn't of the moment,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're watching something dated, you have to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: kind of, maybe you have to do a little research
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and go, Oh wait, when was this? Where did they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: shoot this? Like, is it, is there an excuse that
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it is like this?
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: You don't have to see Brooklyn in the seventies.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I am. I am really afraid. I mean, I, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: we laugh and joke about, you know, social justice warriors
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and all that. But I'm really afraid that there is
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: going to be a movement that's going to be getting
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: bigger and bigger, which is like retroactive censor censorship. Like
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: like there's this group that's trying to. basically dynamite this
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: monument that's somewhere in the South. I think it's called
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Stone Mountain, but it's the equivalent of the Confederate version
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: of Mount Rushmore. And it's showing like, it's basically a
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: carving of Confederate war heroes, which about 20 years ago,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: people were probably like, yeah, the old General Lee and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: all them guys, but now there's like this group that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: actively trying to get it taken down because they represent
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: something that people aren't comfortable with now, but they don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: see it in the context of the times. It's basically
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the same thing when people try to ban a book
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like Huckleberry Finn, because they're being offended by it now,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: so they're trying to retroactively censor it. And I would
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: hate to think that actually Saturday Night Fever would be
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: preserved as in a sterilized, censored version, you know? I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I think that if you're going to keep it, you
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: need to keep it with warts and all so you
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: can get a snapshot of that time. And I don't know. Like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: of course, George Lucas could have gone in and put
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: in some CG, put it more realistic.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: He just put walkie-talkies in Travolta's hand.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: No, he was just trying to make a call. He
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: didn't have a cell phone because.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: It was 1977. I just went to see a movie
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: last week with a friend of the show, Science Advisor Rich.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: And it was a movie that we've all been talking
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: about lately. And apparently this movie theater is going to
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: be showing a series of older movies. And they had
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: this big commercial for it. And one of the movies
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: was Blazing Saddles. And I really was wondering if in
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: today's politically correct environment, you can show a movie like
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Blazing Saddles.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: I think you could because the racism in that is
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: basically the– Cleavon Little? Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He's the star.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: He's the only sane one in the cast.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but people won't get that nuance. They'll just focus.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: On the fact that it's basically inward, inward, inward.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well, idiots won't get that. But, you know, idiots aren't
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: going to get anything. Again, I look it up to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the people.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: But idiots are doing lots of protests.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: Let's say that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: That's usually what happens is they get all offended. But
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, and that's another one of those movies.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, could you make it today?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: No.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: But in the time that it was made, you also
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: have to take into account the movies written by a
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: black man and a Jew. So all of the jokes
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: against all of these groups are made by the people. Again,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, these are jokes about me, so it makes
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it okay? I don't know that it does for some people,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but I think that's the way the writers took it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It's Richard Pryor and Mel Brooks. So I'm like, they
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: take license to poke fun at their own people, you know?
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: So I mean, I guess that makes it okay, right?
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: You can totally make that movie now, Django Unchained.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Well, but again, it's... I think it's a very different. Well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Tarantino pushes that. Anybody seen to capable eight?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Cause he might be, he's definitely pushing the envelope on
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: so many areas there, but yeah, they throw that word
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: around a lot in that movie.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I gotta say one of the biggest things in pulp
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: fiction that made me uncomfortable was Quentin Tarantino throwing around
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the N word like crazy. I couldn't believe he was
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: getting away with it. It, I don't know if there
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: was any kind of fallout from that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Spike Lee didn't like it at the time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: Oh really?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he called him out on it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: And Quentin Tarantino never worked again.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, whatever happened to that guy?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, side note, you said that Richard Pryor
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: helped write Blazing Saddles. Why didn't he star in it?
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: He was supposed to and I think.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Didn't the studio throw him off of it? I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it was. I think it was the studio had some
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: sort of issue with him doing it and I don't know. So,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was, he, he specifically wrote it for
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: him to be the star. And then when that fell through,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: luckily Cleveland little is kind of awesome in it. So
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it actually may play better with Cleveland little, like I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like he can do that straight man
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: way better than I. So, well, I mean, it's better
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: because of it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Okay. I always wondered if Richard Plyer pulled out because
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: he was offended by all.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Offended by what I wrote.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: I can't believe I just wrote that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Did I really write this?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: It's fine when I say it, but not when I
• 32:22
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  Speaker 3: going on this journey to fill your geek hole with
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  Speaker 3: all these movies that you missed. What other bait and
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  Speaker 3: switch movie have you got your eye on?
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  Speaker 7: Well, now I'm kind of scared. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 7: haven't seen Lawrence of Arabia, and I don't know what
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: that's going to be like.
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  Speaker 3: Because I had a similar experience. I had never seen
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  Speaker 3: the Walt Disney classic The Black Hole, and I went
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: in thinking it was going to be a rollicking good
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: time of space cowboy lasering and instead it was all
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: this subtext it's.
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  Speaker 5: All my fault i apologize awesome you're wrong oh last
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  Speaker 5: thing i want in a movie.
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  Speaker 6: Man i love the black hole i don't.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Care and i listened to your episode yelling at the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the podcast player because i was just like no no
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: ben you don't know what you're talking about And I
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: got my Maximilian action figure out and I flew him
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: around the room and ignored all your nonsense.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: If the movie had been two hours of Maximilian flying around,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I'd have been cool with that. But instead, Maximilian is
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: in hell with his arms sticking straight up.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Going, why? Again, this is my movie geekdom. Think about that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: They made a movie made by Walt Disney Studios. It's
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of old actors in it and robots.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: That are kind of like R2-D2, but they do get
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: to fly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So he did beat George Lucas to the flying R2 thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But by the end, they go through some crazy 2001
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: trippy wrap-up and half the characters end up in arguably hell.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: This happened, got financed, and we sat and watched it
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: as children.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: I was scarred by it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Come across movies like this i remember.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Being they are in hell because because we we see
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: the the mountains and the lava and the the death
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: and the burning and the pain pain pain and i'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: thinking maybe they're in hell then angels fly by like
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: okay sure yeah that was hell man they were they
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: were all damned in hell i remember being scarred.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: Us eating into it it couldn't be a planet somewhere.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I remember this planet exactly i remember.
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: Being scarred by it because uh when maximilian um Got
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: his little lawnmower blade spinners out and basically went to
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: Anthony Perkins and just like, you know, Norman Bates him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: It's like I remember thinking, wow, that's really violent.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Maximilian's a badass.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: So what it did basically was it left an impression
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: on the young Dave. OK, I never want to go
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: to space hell again. And Ben doesn't ever want to
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: go to New York City based on these terrible movies.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: We were all scarred by movies as children.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: We acknowledge that.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Don't get me started on Logan's Run.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Another classic. All right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: But the boobs, Dave, the boobs.
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: I was like six. I don't know why my dad
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: took me to see Logan's Run, but.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I do. The boobs, man. I look down and see
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: my light flashing. I'm like, every day is a blessing
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: for me. What color suit are you wearing now?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I've graduated to some kind of a plaid. I think
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that's when you're over 40 or something. But basically, you
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: made it. I survived that damn carnival.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you that. So, Brian, what scarred you?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: What's Brian?
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, either way.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Brian O or Brian R? Which one?
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: Brian O. Where do you weigh in on sexism, racism, violence,
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: and scarring?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Brian O. That's like Thundercats.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: I'll have a new avatar on my Twitter feed tomorrow.
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: Sweet.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: To the internet.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And I'll be your snarf. Okay, go.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, what scarred me?
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to beat this horse that's still
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: alive and kicking, but The Force Awakens?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I think we've talked enough about Star Wars on this show.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Let's go a different direction.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: Wait, wait.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Hold it, hold it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Wait, pause that. Are you seriously saying you don't want
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to interview the one guy who did not like Star
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Wars The Force Awakens?
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: That one angry unicorn out there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: An interesting take, but again, how many hours have they
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: heard you ramble about it?
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: We should change gears.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, you're missing an opportunity. Every person you
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: called in to talk about Star Wars... We were all
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: gushing fangirls, you know, emoticon, Tumblr, love it, love it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: So it's your fault, basically.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Brian O is the only nerd with the Disney-esque balls
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: to stand there and say, I didn't like this movie.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: But really, I'm concerned my geek cred lowers like a
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: tenth of percentage every time I mention the fact that
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't love it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But your hipster cred is going up through the roof.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: A different movie. A movie that messed me up was
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Life Force. You guys watch the Life Force movie?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: See, all I flashback is Hot Naked Chicks. I forgot
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the plot altogether. I just remember her wandering the ship naked.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what got me in. It was one of
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: those HBO movies that you run across and you go, oh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: here are the boobies. I guess I'll stick around for
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: a while. And then eventually the naked alien vampires start
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: sucking the life force, hence the title, out of people.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: The titular life force.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Watch it, Kevin Picard, watch it! Yeah, maybe you guys
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: can tell me, if you saw it, was that part
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: of the movie actually scary or was I just caught
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: unawares because I was too caught up in the naked
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: action that they... They pulled a switch on me?
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Probably a little.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. Again, it's been a while since I've seen it,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of what they were going for, too.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, isn't that normally? I feel like half of the.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Scarring scenes I've come across over the years have involved nudity.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: It's all bait and switch.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: You're doing it wrong. You're doing it so wrong.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Was I prepared for the shower scene in The Shining? No.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Was I prepared for the opening of Carrie? No. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, there's plenty of scenes that just because there's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: nudity does not make it hot. Just disturbing.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Maybe that was Hollywood's antidote for the likes of Saturday
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Night Fever. They say, look, look, look, Brian Orms, here
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: is a naked lady.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Don't you look at me with your dirty eyes, you
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: filthy man.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: See, that's what all girls need to do.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: So do you think you would have liked The Force
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Awakens better if there had been nudity? Well, yes. Chewbacca
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: ain't wearing pants, I'm just saying.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, Chewie walks around naked all day long.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that bandolier doesn't cover nothing.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: That's right. Unless, of course, he is an alien and
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: maybe they keep their junk on the side.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: You never know.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: There was some cartoon, it was a strip that... Han
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: and Chewie meet another Wookiee who is dressed impeccably. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: Han looks at Chewie and is like, wait a minute.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, this time, you creepy bastard.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Sitting in the chair right next to me.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I knew I should have put newspaper down.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: So I just Google imaged Life Force.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I need to check it out.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: See, I'm telling you.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I have a copy of it. I'll let you borrow it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: That was one of those movies that would end up
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: in the naughty no-no bins, the cheesy rip-off bootleg bins
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: at the Comic-Cons. You ever see one of those setups?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I've never been to a Comic-Con, so I don't know. Oh, man.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they seem to kind of shoo them away, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: right in the sweet spot before people got hip. The
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: bootleg people would lay out all those movies. A lot
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: of rated R movies that you could buy anywhere, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: they had pictures of the nude scenes on the bootleg
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: cover for the 14-year-olds to pick up. They had things
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: like Song of the South.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I was just going to say that. While
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I've never been to a Comic-Con, I did go to
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the biggest flea market in Kentucky.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Same thing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of guys with bootleg VHSs of
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Sound of the South. Sound of the South. South of
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: the Sound. Anyway, you know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Song of the South.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Once again, another one of those that, should they burn
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: them all?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily. But is it ever going to be officially
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: released by Disney? No.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: Should it be on the Disney Channel? Probably not.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: That's such a good question. Like, they are going to
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: show Blazing Saddles.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: And is.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Song of the South worst, racially speaking, than Blazing Saddles?
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: I would say no. I think just the embarrassing position
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: that Disney put themselves in by not realizing what they
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: were suggesting by having Uncle Remus skipping around singing to
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: the woodlife creatures and whatnot.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: And the Tar Baby. All of that horrible, horrible stuff.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But again, I see him singing to cartoon birds bad.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I don't get that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: See, I would go because it goes to intention. The
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: intention of Blazing Saddles was to show the stupid racist.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: Whereas Song of the South was, look at this nice
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: black man.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: It was more ignorant then.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I'm saying this because I haven't seen Song of the South,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: but I do know the famous scene where he's walking
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: around singing to the, to the birds. And I thought
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: that is a delightful movie.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: So you're telling me, I don't think all the movie
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: is like that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: So there's basically disco dancing in a, a rape with
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: a space vampire in the end, right?
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Only racially.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: They should ban that movie. My God.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Disney went in so blind to that, and that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: their own fault for not kind of realizing, because that
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: came out at the edge of that. It's not like they.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: Made that in the 30s.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: It was towards the end where they should have seen
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the change coming and went, oh, we really should be
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: kind of progressive and not make this or change the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: wording or the story or all of this nonsense.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: What is racist about Song of the South?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Is it just because it's got a black guy singing?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: No presentation of everything, really.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if they were trying to be progressive. Like,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: they thought they were being progressive because essentially they are
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: southern African-American folktales that came from across the ocean, blah, blah, blah. Right.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: And they animated them just like they would animate Snow
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: White or The Little Mermaid.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: That doesn't sound so bad.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: But again, the presentation... Presentation, yeah.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: I think if you– and that's the thing. They've tried
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: to do that over the years.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: It's like you watch them pick a different culture and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: try to tell a story from that so that it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: not just a bunch of white princesses, which is what
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it became for a while there. And now they're like, no,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: we do need to tell other people's stories and other
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: people's history.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: But look what happened. They did it, and everyone hated it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: That's because, again, they also have to make a good
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: movie along the way. So the intention is nice, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: they also need to write a decent plot. So you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: have to find the golden mean in the middle there somewhere.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and to answer, I guess, your question, Ben, at
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: least the live action... Uncle Remus, and was there another character?
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: And they were servants to a family in the South,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of like, oh, they're slaves or still
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: subservient or something, so right there off the bat, something's
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: not right.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Again, it's that weird gray area of like, we're not
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: going to nail down exactly what's going on in this family, but.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: And yet, Gone with the Wind is held up to
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: be a beloved classic probably in the Library of Congress.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: They probably got three copies in the Library of Congress, right?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: And that's all of that kind of stuff.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: It's not a children's movie.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Gone with the Wind is kind of put up
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: as being a historical fiction. But Song of the South
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: is entertainment for the whole family. But oh, no, we
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: forgot about.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Slavery.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I forgot about a good portion of it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: How are you going to teach the kids about slavery
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: if you don't show what.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: It is? Do I feel like they should officially release it? No,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that's not really a good move on their part for
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: many reasons. But do we need to get rid of
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: it all together? Not necessarily because if we go back
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: millions of years ago, you worked in a video store.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Think about how many times a week some 60 to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: 80 year old woman would come in and go, do
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you have song of the South? And she would not
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: want it because she's like, yay, racism. She would just
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: be remembering this classic Disney movie that she saw in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the theater. And she wants a copy of it now.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, is it wrong that she
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: wants to be able to rewatch that? I don't want
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: people taking away movies that I want to watch that
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: they probably think are horrible.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: I really don't want to watch it, but it's a
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: whole of my collection.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Birth of a nation.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I'll bet Birth of the Nation is a hell of
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a lot worse than Suckers.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Again, it's all perspective.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: And Br'er Rabbit is essentially the same kind of character
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: in Blazing Saddles. Br'er Rabbit is smarter than everyone else.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Like Bugs Bunny, for Pete's sake. He outwits his enemies,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: but again, presentation is a problem.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, so I don't know what the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: presentation is.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: I mean.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe people are going to watch Saturday Night Fever thinking
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they're going to show rape in a positive light.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Ben, you know that thing that ate Tasha Yar in
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Star Trek Next Generation? Yeah, yeah. That's in the movie.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Star.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Trek Next Generation, there is an episode in the first
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: season where they basically go to planet Afro. It's got
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: to be the most racist thing I've ever seen. And
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: that's on Netflix right now for anyone to watch. Anyone
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, and Picard's rolling his eyes like, well, I
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: guess we can't mess with them. Prime directive, I guess.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: No, Lieutenant, no vaccine.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I love this episode.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Kids, if you want to see the
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: most racist thing ever, go to Netflix, Star Trek The
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Next Generation, the first season. Look up Code of Honor
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: and just get ready to be taken away to a
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: magical space land of awkwardness.
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: It's not good.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: Just awful.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I was scanning the cables last night and they were
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: running a bunch of them in a row. And I
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: got to one that I had seen probably originally, the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: game episode. But I did kind of forget that the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: co-star is a young Ashley Judd.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: Very young Ashley Judd.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: So if I jumped forward, I see a future world
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: where Wesley hooks up with Ashley Judd. Maybe I'm the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: only one.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Probably Will Wheaton's on board with this plan.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I'll bet Wesley now wishes that would happen.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: I'm sure somewhere Will's on board with that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Better her than the Traveler.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: God.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll be best buddies. We'll go across the universe.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Get in my space van. Here's some candy.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: That's how that works.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Brian O, I've always loved your rant about the Season
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: 7 episode where Beverly Crusher goes to space Ireland to
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: predict Grandpa.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: How many times do we have to listen to Picard
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: go on about space France? I mean, what are you
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: going to do?
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: That was a clear throwback from a Battlestar Galactica episode. Oh, yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: You sure you don't want to talk about Force Awakens, Brian?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: No, you're on Star Trek. So, okay, let's spin it
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: into the future Star Trek. Have you seen the trailer
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: for the next Star Trek movie?
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: I have.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Let me guess.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: Ben's against it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Frankie, old man, don't like the new things.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: Old man yells at Cloud.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I've seen the first two. And there was one line
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: in that trailer that... The minute that it was spoken,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, yep, I'm out. Not going to watch it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Can you guys guess what that one line was?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: You want to set this straight, this Watergate?
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: That's my favorite line.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Basically, they say, no ship.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I'm out.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Because I have.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Zero interest in seeing a Star Trek movie that does
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: not feature them on the damn ship flying around in space.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see, oh, we're stuck on space
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: on a planet where we have to fight for our survival.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see that.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's just the last 15 minutes, like the rape
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: in Saturday Night Live. Saturday Night Fever, not Saturday Night Live.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Ben, have you ever seen any Star Trek? That's kind
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of how all of them go.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Most of them kind of prominently feature the ship, though.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Next Generation's a lot of flying around with the ship.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Enterprise beams down to places pretty much every damn chance
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they get.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: They don't like blow up the ship and there is
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: no ship. And that's my favorite thing about seeing these
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: movies on the big screen is the ships. I want this,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: the ship. I don't, I'm not interested in seeing, uh,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: fighting for survival against space natives on planet hell. I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: don't want to see that again. I just, ah, so
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I immediately just checked, checked out. I didn't want to
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: see it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Just, uh, Well, see, I was kind of out after
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: the second Abrams flick, but seeing the trailer, I just
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: want to see it because they apparently have improved, in
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: my opinion, the beaming effect. I hated the spinning, whirling, whizzing,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Coachella Valley, what, effect.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: On a side note, did you have the Next Generation toy?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Because that could actually beam your action figures, and it
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: was pretty damned impressive. If they could have worked out
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the way that they made that toy work and put
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: it in the movie, that would be pretty awesome.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: I'm still not really sure how it did it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: It's magic.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: I had the original series spinner transporter. There's a red
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: button and a green button. They'll tell you.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: It's science, but it's all magic.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: The best thing about those toys is you can have
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: the philosophical debate with your toy. Is this the same toy?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Or is it a completely new toy now that it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: been broken down to its component atoms and reassembled? Does
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: it have a soul?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: It's just not the same one.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Also, if this toy falls onto a planet that's not
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: quite up to speed with where we are, should we
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: make sure that they don't come in contact with it?
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: They'll end up worshipping it and develop a religion around it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: The gods must be crazy.
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: See, I thought in the Star Trek they should have just, like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: beamed them down but kept the pattern on, like, a
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: floppy disk somewhere. Then if Ensign Ortez buys it on
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: planet Karpalak, they can just say, oh, here's the last
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: known version of Ensign Orpeles.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I can't work a floppy disk, I'm screwed.
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: It'd be a space floppy disk.
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay, as long as it's space floppy.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they just get a canister of stem cells, throw
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: it up on the transporter pad, and they're fine.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: But getting back to what you were saying, though, to me,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: when I think of Star Trek, the Enterprise is such
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: a vital part of that and my enjoyment of it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: You know, like, I don't know why, but whenever I
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: watch the old 60s show, my favorite episodes are the
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: ones where they're pretty much on the ship. Like, I
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: really love it when they're going through all the different
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: rooms and the different tubes and the different whatevers, you know?
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: But if they're on, like, if they beam down to
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: a planet and captain Kirk has to become a space
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Indian for like the whole.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: Time, I'm totally bored.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: If they beam down.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: To the does not sound PC.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: By the way, freaking Nazi. I'm just like, I don't
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: care about watching them trying to show alien girls how
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: to kiss and space Nazi planet. I, I, rather than
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: being on the ship fighting the Romulan or something. And
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: it's just mad.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Cause you can't get those alien girls.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Brain and brain.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: You want some of that yeah i i don't have
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: any green alien game that is very true but but
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: but it was just sort of like they were saying
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: in that uh trailer this is unlike any star trek
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: you've ever seen there's no hope there's no ship it's
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: just them without any technology and they're gonna have to
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: use their fists to fight their way out and i'm
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: like bored That could be any movie. A Star Trek
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: movie is them on the ship being all philosophical, trying
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: to figure out how we can fit this into continuity.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't... And to me, the Enterprise is
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: a co-star of the series, the movie, what have you.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: And if the Enterprise is destroyed, that's a disaster. That's
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: not how you start the film. That's how you end
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: the film, for Pete's sake.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: It does remind... Well, again, it's because we... we're coming
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: off of these last two Star Trek movies and JJ
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: was not a Star Trek guy. He was a Star
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Wars guy and he made two Star Wars Star Trek
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: movies because they're, they're way more action based than standing around.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Cause that's the thing. I, I, again, in the background,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like a week or so ago, generations came on and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have watched generations since originally, but,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: And then I remembered why I'm like, I wasn't even
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: pay attention, but I'd look over and be like, Oh
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: my God, are they still on the bridge standing there
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: talking again? Like this is like an hour and a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: half of them.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Let's go to stellar cartography for a while.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: Gaseous anomalies or some bullshit.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, for the love of God, this
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: is why people don't like Star Trek. Would you blow
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: something up for fuck's sake? Or at least voyage home again.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Beam down to Earth, get a pizza, get a beer,
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: have some fun.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But then they blew up the ship. That was exciting, right? Look,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: think of it this way. Would you go and see
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: a Knight Rider movie if you knew that five minutes in,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Kit gets blowed up and the whole movie is just
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: David Hasselhoff trapped on a planet somewhere having to fight
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: his way out against green space aliens?
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: That'd be totally good.
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: I'd probably stop you right after the movie.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: In that sense like that would that would not be
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: a Knight Rider movie you know like I guarantee the
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: reason the new Star Wars movie is set 30 years
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: after Return of the Jedi it's because Han Solo didn't
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: have the Millennium Falcon for a good number of those
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: years and people knew we can't do a Star Wars
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: movie without the Millennium Falcon so but here they finally
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: find the Falcon and they're like okay time to get
• 58:35
  Speaker 9: those cameras rolling we're back in business No, really.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: It's because Han was raising a kid, and nobody wants
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: to see him feeding the kid string of peas or whatever.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: He didn't do a good job of it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it didn't go well.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert.
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: Anyway, I don't know.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad that the Star Trek is doing
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: its own thing, though. In a way, I don't want
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: to see them trying to force themselves into this formula
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: of something that they're not, and they're not going to be.
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: So, you know, at the end of the movie, it.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Might be an interesting failure. but it will at least
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: be different.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm kind of OK with them at
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: least trying something different.
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: I'm figuring at the end of the movie, there'll be
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: an Enterprise A. Oh, I'm a new Enterprise A.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: It has to come.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: They're good.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: They're getting there too fast. You know, that that took.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: 30 years originally. We don't have 30 years.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: We're getting older.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. When you get
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to episode 6, look at how old those people are.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: We're going to be in our 70s. I don't want
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: to wait until our 70s.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, if they're going to make a movie
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: that is so different from what Star Trek is generally
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: thought to be, aka talkie, is it really a Star
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Trek movie?
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: That's certainly arguable.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: Again, I don't.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Hold those up as like the best example of the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: classic Star Trek because it's not classic Star Trek. But again,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: this is how licensing works. This is what happens when decades.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: Go by and new people get a hold of your
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: stuff and it becomes a different thing.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. And then we look at Brian O to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: talk about how much he loves the new modern hip
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: take on Transformers, right? Because it made everything better.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Didn't it, Brian?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: The wrong person got handed the property.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: But Hasbro would disagree with that. Hasbro does not care.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: That's something, because I know I've heard you rant on
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it many a time on Tower Tech Level. Do you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: feel like, because again, it seems like that's one of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: those things that normal, we'll say regular people in the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: world would probably be like, oh, that's just about the toys.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly what they said about the cartoon
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: back in the day. It's like it's just about selling toys.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, do you think they even sold any
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Transformers toys? Because the toys look equally as bad as
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the characters on screen. So I feel like they really
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: didn't get a big push on the merchandising off those movies. Like,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're even doing that wrong.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: In those movies.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is no longer the thrust. It's a huge
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: success because of asses in seats, ticket sales, as I understand.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: And asses on screen!
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah. Hasbro does see a bump in their
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: sales when it's a quote-unquote movie year. But again, from
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: my perspective, they aren't building a fan base. They're just
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: selling Slurpees and what have you to whoever's passing by.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: This isn't a long haul. This is a flash-in-the-pan stuff.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Well, okay. I've been dying to ask you guys this then.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: You just mentioned how Hasbro is more interested in getting
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: the bucks back rather than... getting the money you've you've
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: heard about their grand plan now to build a hasbro
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: universe yes just like the marvel universe right.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Of course which is gonna feature he wants to do
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: that too yeah which.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Is which is gonna feature five of hasbro's most beloved
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: toy brands gi joe micronauts visionaries mask and rom of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: which i have only seen two of those.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: I would kill for a rom movie but go ahead Apparently,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: Mom's going to be in it.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Have you not heard about this?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: I've not heard about this.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: Oh, I should have mentioned that last time.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Well, you really haven't?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Hasbro is partnering with Paramount Pictures because they're
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: seeing how the Marvel Universe, the people are loving the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Marvel Universe. DC's wanting to do it. So Hasbro is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: basically taking a bunch of their toy lines from the past,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: and they're going to combine it into this new universe
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: kind of standard that Marvel has pioneered. And they're going
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: to be including the toy lines, G.I. Joe, Micronauts, Visionaries, Mask,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: which I do remember the cartoon, and ROM. So I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: think you're going to get your Space Knight ROM in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: a In a movie, finally.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: The thing is, those are such wildly different properties.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. There's some that can kind
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: of work together. I mean, you could almost see a G.I.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Joe Transformers crossover and having it almost work. Again, if
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you were doing the old 80s animated ones, I could
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: see them doing a crossover episode and it would kind
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of work okay.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: Well, ROM and the Micronauts are interesting because they were
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: both Marvel comics. The comics were made, the toys came first,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: the comics were a tie-in. But over the years, the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: comics actually took on a life of their own far
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: past the toys. And they're actually some of the more
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: interesting stories. Micronauts did crossover. Actually, I think they both did.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: But that would be interesting.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: It's one of those I....
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: Do I like that as a concept?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we all kind of took our toys and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: played with them together when we were kids. You had
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: your G.I. Joes playing with your Star Wars toys, and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you didn't have a problem with that. Again, there's a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: part of us that's that little kid that wants to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that'd be awesome, but realistically, think now,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, those properties aren't going to work together.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I think, yes, we played with those different toys when
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: we were a kid, but it's almost like when you're
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: playing with toys that are the wrong scale for each other.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, you've got like, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: You're like micro machines, guys playing with like, you know,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: old school GI Joe's like 10 times bigger. So I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of how this movie is going
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to turn out as like, Oh, these are both cool
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: on their own, but they don't really fit together.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: I could be wrong. I'm just, that's my knee jerk reaction.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: This might be where, you know, Dave is slightly older
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: than me. I don't know what micronauts are.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: Essentially they were, it was, it was a stab at
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: the Star Wars universe where you had different characters and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: they're from different worlds. The microverse is a different universe
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: that if you shrink down far enough in our universe,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: you'd pop into the microverse.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: We all saw that episode of Mork from Morkshire.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: Classic two-parter.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: And there was a universal force, if you will, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: But they actually went off of that and did really
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: interesting things along the way. It lasted, I want to say,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: almost a decade after the toys were gone.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: With the comic series?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, because I've never heard of it. Okay, well,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: what are Visionaries?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: No idea.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, I love the Visionaries.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: What are they?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: It was mostly a toy line, though, right? Just a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: toy line?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a toy line, and they produced an
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: animated series just one season, one short season, I think.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: And I prefer it to G.I. Joe, actually. It was
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: imagine G.I. Joe only if they had crazy magic crap.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: It was a G.I.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Joe.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a planet like Earth. There is some
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: horrible disaster and all technology no longer can function. But
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: some people locate items of magic so they can they
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: have magic staffs that can shoot power crap at people.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: and they could infuse technology with magical power so they
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: can fly, or what have you. And they had incantations like, oh,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: hold on, here we go. By nature's hand, by craft,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: by art, what once was one, now fly apart! And
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: then this horrible ogre creature would come out of their
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: staff and destroy people and things and buildings.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: So, it was for kids.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: A children's show.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, so, you're saying that it's set on a world
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: on a earth where the technology is gone and magic
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: has come back, so... How are they going to couple
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: that with Earth that still has technology, a la G.I. Joe?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: I'm seeing time travel.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: They're different sized toys, I'm telling you. They're different scale stories.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: And, you know, it's funny how they're not including Transformers
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: in this mashup, but it might be because Mask is
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: too close to Transformers in a weird way.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: Hey, wasn't Mask like a poor man's Transformers?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Kind of. It's basically.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: A mixture of Transformers and G.I. Joe, right?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: That's how I remember it.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Where all their cars and trucks turn into different cars
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: and trucks, basically. With wings!
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: That Camaro can fly!
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: It seems like a bad idea, but I could be wrong.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: Well, time will tell.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: And then Space Knight Rom, I... The only thing I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: know about him is from hearing Dave talk about him.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Like, um.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: Rom was cool.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: But you love him.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: The story of Rom. Gather around, kids. Here's the story
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: of Rom. There was a planet called Gladiador, and they
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: were a peaceful people, a technologically advanced people, but their enemies,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: the Dire Wraths, used magic and witchcraft and evil doings
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: to defeat them. So on the brink of defeat, the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: Gladiadorians put their best and bravest in space knight armor,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: which was actually melded in so they couldn't ever take
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: it off, and they'd go and fight them. And the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: fight came to Earth.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Like Transformers.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: Kind of, yeah. Different evil.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I do like that several of these stories now have
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: this magic thrown into post-apocalyptic.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: Like, okay guys, it's a post-apocalyptic world, but by the way, watch.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: It's an evil rabbit.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Seems like that wouldn't really save you in the future world,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to keep working on these card tricks,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: don't you worry.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I think that, you know, people would think, well, G.I. Joe,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: that doesn't got magic in it. I used to watch
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: that cartoon. And when they got to that whole Serpentor crap,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I checked out.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: That was pure science and you know it.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Like, that's one of my favorite memories about G.I. Joe,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: because that was like the epic, like mini series era
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: when they were just like over. stories for episodes.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: And I don't know.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Again, that's the way I think back on it and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: think that was an awesome storytelling device that they used.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: They don't really do in cartoons now.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: If he was that much of a threat, they should
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: have brought in the regular army. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Don't we have another army?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: Don't we have a bigger army?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Nope. They're all on vacation.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: The guy with the parrot and the Native American?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Is it one of them?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: What was it, a robot chicken where somebody on G.I.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: Joe actually got killed?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: We're all set.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: What was that, robot chicken?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: One of the G.I. Joes actually got killed, and everything
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: just came to a halt. It's like, oh my god!
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys! This guy's not getting
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: up again!
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: What the hell?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Weren't you going pew pew? You're not supposed to use
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: real bullets. You're supposed to go pew pew.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: What the hell, man?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: Cobra Commander was horrified. He's like, what did you do?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's why everybody had laser guns. So you didn't actually
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: see him, you know, getting hit with machine gun fire.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: And they were all horrible shots. Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Even though Snake Eyes is clearly holding some machine gun,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: it's shooting laser beams. Yes. That's an Uzi, but it's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: shooting laser beams.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: It's a future Uzi.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: You don't know.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: He's got spare bullets strapped to him everywhere.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Laser cartridges.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: Laser bullets. Yeah. Sergeant Slaughter comes in. Yeah, okay. Yeah,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: it's going to fit right into the magical Hasbro universe.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: That's all I mean.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I just hope at some point we have Rainbow Brite
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: riding up my pretty pony here.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: A dark, gritty Rainbow Brite.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want Rainbow Brite riding my little pony, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: somehow we.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: Only if it's dark and gritty.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you don't want to talk to Brian
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: about the hate he has for The Force Awakens. I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: can't believe that, man.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: No, you have to fight the light.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Fight the light.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Ben there. Ben being the appropriate word. Ben has talked
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: it to death.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: You're leaving rage on the table.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I've talked about the positive. You haven't heard the hate.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I did. I was in here. So we'll just reference
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: people right over to that episode of Tower Update.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: But apparently Brian was holding back. He told us later
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: that he was holding back most of the vile because he, uh, he, he,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: he didn't want to be, you know, an offensive, uh, uh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: party pooper type of guy.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: What I'll, what I'll do is I'll type up something
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: and I'll send it over to the, uh, tower and, uh.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: We've got a feed going out of, of people writing
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: reviews and whatnot. So you can submit it to ours
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and I'll, I'll post it on people as well. Oh yeah.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: You should talk about that. Brian Orms, uh, not, I'm sorry,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Brian Redfro. Well, so, uh, Your website has, it isn't
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: just podcasts, it's stuff that you can read and feel
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: smart reading, right?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, not that I'm going to write, because I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: am way too caught up in editing these crazy podcast episodes,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: but I've certainly invited all of our other co-hosts and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: whatnot to join in, most of which don't. I do
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: have someone from the outside that will send me stuff
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: quite often, but yeah, it's it's rare that people actually
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: like put pen to paper or keys to fingers and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: whatnot and write an actual review or their thoughts about something.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But it's, it's open to, you know, you guys and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: people listening at home. I, you know, I just kind
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: of open it up as I, I liked the idea
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: of people being able to send in the written form
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: Not everybody does it, but.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: There you go, Brian. If you were going to deny
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: me the, the joy of hearing you, This completely meltdown
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: into utter hatred. At least write me up a nice
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: essay and send it to the Movie Meltdown website so
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I can read it. And maybe after you do that,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: you can record a dramatic audio book of you, like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: reading your movie review and send it to me. And
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: I can listen to it as I'm reading it.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: Consider it done. Yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: It would have been podcast gold. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Well, again, it's not like we're never going to talk
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: about Star Wars again.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: We're just putting it on the back burner.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: But the hate might die down. I'm sure he'll die.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got it pretty deep-rooted in there.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: It'll be okay.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: It's like a canker sore on his soul.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: Title of episode eight.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: So, what have we learned from this episode? Is there
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: anything you're looking forward to in this upcoming movie season?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: We're coming up on the new year. There's going to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: be a couple of.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Months of crap.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: And then there'll be some good movies as we head
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: towards the summer.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Or at least good heat.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Is Rogue One coming out this year?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: The end of the year. I think it's December or something.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: December? That's a weird time for a Star Wars movie.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: That'll never work. There's a movie come out in February
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: that I'm cautiously optimistic about. It's usually the dead zone
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: of movies, but the Deadpool movie looks awesome.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Okay. Speaking of someone who doesn't get comic book superhero guys,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: I've been sensing the glee and the euphoria from fans
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: in anticipating this movie. I have no idea who this
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: character is. Can you give me a quick CliffsNotes, get
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: me up to speed on why I should be excited?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, sure.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: He's a, it's called the Merc with a Mouth. He's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: a mercenary who- Wait, wait, hold on.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Merc?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: Mercenary.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Merc.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: M-E-R-C.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: Merc.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: Read your soldier fortune.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: We all have a subscription, right?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: I can't spoon feed you all your life.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: He's like BAT. Got it.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Go. I thought that's what the show was for. Each week,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: you kind of keep in and checked in to the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: world around him.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the rabbits, Dave.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: All right, go.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: Anyway, he got his superpowers in the same program that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: Wolverine took part in.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: You'll remember him in that beloved Wolverine film that came
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: out several years ago.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: No, because that never happened, thanks to Days of Future Past.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Damn it! Ha ha! Take that!
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: His main claim to fame, Deadpool, is that he breaks
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: the fourth wall and talks to the reader. And he's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: just a little bit insane, but in a funny kind
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: of way. It's basically like Spider-Man who kills people.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: And who doesn't want that?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, he's a hero. He's an anti-hero, but a hero.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: So he's actually talking to the guy reading the comic book.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: Sometimes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: And do the other characters think he's crazy because they
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: think he's talking to someone who isn't there, a.k.a.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: The reader?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: Who are you talking to?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: We are there.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: So do you guys expect this to happen in the movie?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Where he's going to be addressing the movie-going audience?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: He has in the trailers.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, cool.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: That is a twist that I'm very interested in now.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I have many concerns, so yes, I'd like to hear yours.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Concern, concern, concern. Yes.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, first of all, I am of the opinion that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: Ryan Reynolds is terrible, so I have that going for me.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Hey, there's a guy and a girl and a pizza place,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: and he was Hull player.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: I think it's going to be fine.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: It might be fine.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Now, since then, I've questioned, but I think he's actually
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: not bad as a dramatic actor.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: But him trying to do comedy again, he's he's.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Sort of turned the tables and turned in a few
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: decent dramatic performances in recent years. But him trying to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: come back to his like sitcom roots could go badly.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. What I've seen in the trailers we've all seen.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: I like it. I'm but my big concern now is
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: that that won't be the bulk of the movie. We
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: might get like 20 minutes of Deadpool proper and the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: rest will be Ryan Reynolds walking around talking to people
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: with no mask on. Uh, any, any, anyone know what
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: the ratio is going to be in this?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: Well, they actually made him look, uh, one of the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: things about Deadpool is he has cancer and that's the, uh, healing. Well, that,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: and that's why he went into this program. He was dying.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: So they gave him a enhanced immune system where he
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: can regenerate, but it just barely keeps the cancer at bay.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: So he basically looks like a Freddy Krueger sort of thing.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Boy, that Make-A-Wish Foundation really came through for this guy.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to meet Darth Vader.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Give me that Wolverine program.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: He looks like Ryan Reynolds, but not. It's not going
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: to be a pretty Ryan Reynolds who puts on a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: mask and goes. It's a very ugly.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't understand what the happy ending for
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: the movie can be, because that's what studios like to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: spoon-feed the masses. To me, the happy ending would be
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: Deadpool is Deadpool, and he's an asshole, and he's funny,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: and he keeps the mask on forever. But is that
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: the ending we're going to get?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: I would imagine it would be open-ended.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: It could be just so they could make a sequel.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: They would want to keep it sort of like that.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: I'm more worried about.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm more worried about the humor part of it.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I've mentioned that on a previous episode. But I'm like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: the action looks fine. It looks, you know, the suit.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Although the eyes in the suit read kind of weird
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to me. But I'm trying to go with it.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: And I don't know.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, the the comedy so far in that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: trailer is like right on the edge of like, it
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: could go really dumb. And I'm afraid the comedy is
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: going to drag and it needs to be funny. That
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: is Deadpool.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: But it's, if it's not written right, it's just dumb.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: There's a tone.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: R-rated Warner Brothers cartoon is what I'm looking for. But yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Can you do that for a period of time?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: It is R-rated, so they're willing to go there.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: Is this character popular because he's funny? Is that why
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: people love him so much?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a big part of it.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, is this Marvel or DC? It's Marvel.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: But it's not in the Marvel.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other Marvel.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's in the X-Men universe Marvel. Oh, where they don't... Yeah,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: they don't cross up.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Meet up and go get shawarma?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Yet.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah. He meets up with some X-Men, so.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you mean like Caitlyn Jenner X-Men or superhero X-Men?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: In many years, we will look back and.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: That is our Saturday Night Fever moment of this episode.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, I can't believe that Ben guy said that.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: On Movie Meltdown, they nodded his line.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: She's a hero!
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: Unprogressive of him.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: Wheaties box.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Former man Caitlyn Jenner.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying!
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm an X-Man!
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Alright, sorry.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: You guys want to censor me, but you'll still go
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: and watch Birth of a Nation and Song of the South. Fine, okay.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: Nope, you're all in the dustbin of history.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Future generations will judge us based on this podcast.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: God bless them.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: I think I'll come off just fine.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking by my black hole stance, and that's it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: History will prove me right, I feel.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: I have a copy of Song of the South.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, by default, you are now the worst person
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: on this show. Okay.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: Anyway, don't steal my joy. I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Again, I like the character. I've said this before, too.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's funny how much it's collided into pop
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: culture because I feel like a year ago, most people
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: had no idea who it was.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: Unless you're a hardcore comic book fan.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: you were not really familiar with Deadpool. Even having been
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: in that bad movie years ago, I think most people
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: either blocked it out or didn't know who he was
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: in the Wolverine movie. It's funny that all of a
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: sudden it's huge and there's merchandise everywhere for him. Yay. Again,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: that almost concerns me that it's so much of a
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: rush being thrown in there that are they also rushing
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: to get this movie out before people forget to keep
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: buying stuff?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: Okay, everybody crapped on my enthusiasm. What are y'all looking
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: forward to that I can bash?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not crapping on your enthusiasm. I think it's,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, just the whole breaking the fourth wall thing
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: really interests me in a weird way, especially if this
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: movie is going to be in 3D. How cool is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: that going to be to have like a 3D guy
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: wearing spandex turning to you, the guy sitting there eating
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: your popcorn and calling you out or something. I'm very
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: interested in this suddenly.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: I apologize, Dave. My concerns is that I want to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: like it and I'm concerned that it won't live up
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: to my expectations like The Force Awakens. So I've been
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: burned recently.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: We all have.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: So that's my ex, eh? Oh, but you mentioned 3D, Ben.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Did anyone see Force Awakens in 3D?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: No, I did not. Should I?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm asking the wrong guy, obviously.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I watched it once in flat and one in 3D.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: And the 3D, I was just kind of curious to
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: see what kind of job they did. And as usual,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: it distracted me from the background and action going on
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: to the side, things like that. So why bother? It
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: was a negative for me. did not improve the film
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: and actually was kind of a distraction.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: That's generally my feeling of 3d in general.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: You see it in 3d Renfro.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: No, again, I, like I said before, if it wasn't
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: made to be in 3d, I mean, there's a handful
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: of movies I've ever seen in 3d that were worth
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: seeing in 3d. If, uh, yeah, that one, uh, creature
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: from the black Lagoon. Um, but no, I mean, there's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: a reason to see gravity, uh, In 3D. It was
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: worth it. It was amazing to see that stuff happening
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: in 3D. Even like Hugo was really impressive because he
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: conceived the entire thing to be a 3D project. When
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: you just scale it that way in a computer after
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the fact, it really doesn't do anything for me. It's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: not meant to be that way.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, the good news, Force Awakens was not designed to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: be a 3D movie. It works on its own. Bad news,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: you can buy a ticket for 3D.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, see, that's just the theaters. Nobody comes to
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: the theaters normally like they used to years ago, so
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: now they have to find a way to upcharge everyone.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: It's in 3D. It's in your house.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Brian O., how much better would your life force experience
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: have been if it had been in 3D?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: Well, I was terrified out of my wits at one point.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Space boobs in 3D! And I've seen that before. Space
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: boobs in 3D? Well, not space, but that was the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: most impressive thing about My Bloody Valentine. I saw that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: in 3D on the big screen. that girl runs around
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: for like several minutes straight, completely naked.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Let me just type that in. Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: It's an entire different experience seeing it in 3d. I
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: have to say.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: Then that's the movie I'm looking most forward to in 2016.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: And revisiting, which is not a bad cheesy, you know,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: remake of a slasher. I actually didn't hate that one.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: So there you go. That's the recommendation for go back
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: and watch the, And actually, the 80s version was really cool.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Any of the My Bloody Valentines, those are fun movies.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: For your February viewing, that's my recommendation.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I kid Dave about me not getting superheroes
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: and all that, but I have to say, I am
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: jealous of his... enthusiasm for it you know like because
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: because uh comic books were something that i completely missed
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: when i was a kid so i didn't grow up
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: with it so i don't have this love for it
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: and um like you know like dave you you talk
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: about how you have to fill up these holes in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: your head from movies and tv shows that you haven't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: seen you know and you know i have a huge
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: hole From comic books that I haven't seen. It's probably
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: saved me a lot of money over the years. But,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I appreciate that you love it so much.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: And I know that you are a good judge of quality.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, never once have you told me, man, you've
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: got to see the Song of the South movie.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Until this episode.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: It will change your life.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: On the comic book note, I may be still on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the fence on Deadpool, but I was so... enthused when
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: civil war trailer came up before star Wars. I, it
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: looks so bad-ass. Like I, again, if they can live
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: up to what they've been doing with the rest of these,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: if they can live up to the tone and the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: commitment to story and character that that's winter soldier brought, I'm,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be very pleased with civil war.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah. Winter soldier was my, is my favorite Marvel
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: universe movie to date.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: It's, it's amazing. Like, and it doesn't even have to
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: be a Marvel, a superhero, like none of that. It's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: just a written screenplay.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: I think civil war is going to be interesting because
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: there might not be a right and wrong side. It's like,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: it's going to be your opinion or your view on the,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: on the, on the argument.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: So will they potentially screw it up by trying to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: make it more towards one side.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: From the trailer? I don't think so. It looks like
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: they both have valid arguments. Both sides. So I don't know.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Which in the comic, it was a little more like
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: you kind of had to lean more towards the, you know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: freedom for the X-Men and the rest of, you know,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: because they're sort of more of a big brother.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: Well, they kind of made Iron Man a fascist.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Keeping track of everybody in the comics.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: Iron Man kind of became a fascist.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: Which, again, I don't get that tone at all.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: So I'm very curious how they handle this.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Which is good, because I feel like Tony Stark has
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: been such an amazing and sort of deep character. I'm
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: surprised going in how much I've taken to him in
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: these five movies now. He's way more layered than I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: ever expected, A, from that character, and B, Robert Downey.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I assumed he'd just show up at the paycheck, and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: he's really put a hell of a lot of work
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: into this character over the years. Yeah, he really has.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see what they do when he's
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: sort of put in light of, can he be a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: bad guy?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: It's like how, I don't know.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to be really interesting.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: So we can end it on an up note.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, can I ask a quick question? Because there's obviously
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: three comic book fans here. What is Suicide Squad?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Another one that's on the fence.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, why?
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: I'll explain what it is. It's a DC Comics thing
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: where some shadow government agency has taken bad guys and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: basically put bomb chips in their head and sends them
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: out to do nasty business for the government, and if
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: they run away or something, the bomb gets triggered and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: blows their head off.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Okay. I don't get it. Cause isn't it like, It's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: like the Joker and Harley Quinn and all that. Wouldn't
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: they do that stuff anyway? Why do they need the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: motivation to.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: No, because they're making them do quote-unquote good things, or
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: at least government-sanctioned things.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: They're making them do the things that the government's going
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: to do anyway, but they don't want to do it publicly.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: And they're completely disposable.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Was this a comic book first?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Did you not like said comic book?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: I'm not a DC fan, honestly.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a fairly new.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: No, I knew this. I'll tell you the basis of that, really,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: is because you and I both adored the DC TV show,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: the DC cartoon universe from the 90s and the aughts,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: you know? And that's where Harley Quinn is from.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: So I... DC knows how to do cartoons and TV shows.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: They do not know how to do movies.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: They're a bit clueless on the movies, so.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: occasional decent Batman shows up are you.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: Guys not excited then about.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 13: The Superman Batman Superman V Batman I have so many
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 13: issues on that one I'm gonna have to see it
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 13: just to clear them all up but I don't like
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 13: they just keep cramming more stuff in and I'm like
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 13: you can't how.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Are we ever going to get any useful character out
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: of Wonder Woman when we've already got a Batman V
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Superman fight to deal with.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: The problem with DC is they're trying to do the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: Marvel thing where they build us, but they're doing it backwards.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: They're doing it one move.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, it took Marvel seven.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: We're getting old, man. We got to blow up Enterprise
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: and bring in all five Enterprises in one movie because
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: we're getting old.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: They're like, we're getting behind. We got to hurry up
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: and catch up with Marvel. I'm like, that's not how
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: they did it.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: That's not how they got there, guys.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: You're doing it wrong. Much more organic on that.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: What if we had Doomsday in the movie? Wait, wait,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: what if Zod was Doomsday? Wait, what if Luthor made
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Zod Doomsday?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah!
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: No, wait, and Doomsday looks like a big poop monster.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Just as long as we had Aquaman!
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: And then Space Knight Ron comes and saves the day. Wait, no,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: I'm crossing genres.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: No, he was Marvel.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: No, he was Hasbro. Isn't he Hasbro?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: He was Hasbro slash Marvel.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: He's in the Hasbro universe now.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: At this point, the rogue Marvel characters? Are they so
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: rogue that we could bring the X-Men over onto the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: DC side? Because they're so anti-Marvel universe because the lawyers
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: are involved. They're like, could you think DC would have
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: enough money to be.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: Like, look, would you just come and be in our
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: dumb Superman movie?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: Come on, Wolverine. Come over here.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: We need a Spider-Man.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. He's going to end up in the good side.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We'll see him. All right. I think
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: we've covered many areas here. We should probably wrap it
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: up before Ben starts talking about Star Wars again. So
• 1:31:43
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• 1:31:47
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• 1:31:50
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• 1:31:53
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• 1:31:57
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• 1:31:59
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• 1:32:01
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• 1:32:02
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• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: but it's got all the links.
• 1:32:06
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  Speaker 1: It's only like the characters on your show. So it's
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: just like, Ben, no.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: There's that Paul character.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Look at him.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: He is the face.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: I guess we should say it now. Actually, the character
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: of Paul is played by Brian Orms. I'm going to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: pull back the veil. Paul doesn't exist. It's all Brian
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Orms doing shtick.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was kind of a kind of a art
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: thing I was doing.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: Just like your King Phoenix.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: Performance art, yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: It's a project. It's an art project. All right.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thank you for joining us here, and I think
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: we should get out of here.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
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  Speaker 14: I finally had my ducks in a row.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Peace and quiet, the means of subtraction.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 14: And how she got in, I'm not sure that Two
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 14: weeks on and my spine was in traction.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: My eyes in a basket.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: My gut and my.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 11: Heart are so out of phase.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 14: And that kind of girl, she ain't nobody's dog.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just not used to these powerful waves.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 11: She's shining the brass and I'm taking on water What
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 11: am I to do now?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: I call on a beautiful witch With a.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 11: Mobile compass Made her swim.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 14: Hide from my psychic derailer, drive this car to the sea,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 14: spend the night as high as I can in a
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 14: towering hemlock.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 8: But it's not used, it can always be found.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: A creature of habit has no real protection. I tell
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: her I'll leave if she don't set her down.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 11: She sees it's a lie on close inspection.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: Like everyone else does.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Been running a terrible charm. Holding smoke in my arm.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: I'm just a simple man.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 11: Cursed with an honest heart. They're rubbing a terrible child,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 11: holding smoke in my eye. I'm just a simple man,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 11: cursed with an honest heart.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 8: Watch me go and tell the old man. What about on.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: The landing pad? There was a landing pad, too, you know.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: That one didn't even leave the landing pad.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 12: Anyway.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: But we're in space now. We're all in space where
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: it's cool.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Cyberspace.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: Bitching.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, should we stop and throw out what
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: we just did and start over? Because there's been a
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: lot of banter here.
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