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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 252 | Establishing the Run in Cincy, Looking Around the League · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags AM.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kainani Stevens, Brian Sexton and John Ogier with me today.
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  Speaker 2: The Jaguars got a big win over the Patriots last week,
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  Speaker 2: but now time to turn the page and look forward
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  Speaker 2: to their matchup against the Bengals and also around the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start out with our big things today, brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by GEHA, Government Employees Health Association. And big thing
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  Speaker 2: number one is one year later. It's hard to believe,
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  Speaker 2: but it was just over a year ago that this
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  Speaker 2: team went up to Cincinnati, and we're still trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure themselves out, Brian. We didn't know what that was
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  Speaker 2: going to look like. Liam Cohn was a first-time head coach,
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  Speaker 2: and he was kind of getting into it with Trevor
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence at this point, but hard to believe where they've
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  Speaker 2: gotten to just.
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  Speaker 3: A year later.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the storylines that I'm following
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  Speaker 4: this week is you have the 2020 number one overall
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  Speaker 4: draft pick, Joe Burrow, facing the 2021 number one overall
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  Speaker 4: draft pick, Joe Burrow. And John, in recent years, when
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  Speaker 4: those two have faced off, Burrow always had the upper hand.
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  Speaker 4: Part of that was Jamar Chase and Tee.
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  Speaker 5: Higgins, obviously. Those guys, they're so powerful.
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  Speaker 4: But this week, it's legit because Trevor Lawrence in the
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  Speaker 4: last year has gone from will he or won't he to, oh,
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  Speaker 4: he has. And that's really what the Jaguars' defining characteristic is.
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  Speaker 4: They're one of those teams with one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 6: For the first time, it feels like a level footing
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  Speaker 6: matchup where you don't know who the better quarterback is
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  Speaker 6: in the game. I think last year's game was interesting
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  Speaker 6: to me because even though they lost, they led the
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  Speaker 6: whole game until what, like seven seconds left or very few.
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  Speaker 6: And it was the first time that I walked away
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  Speaker 6: from the game saying, okay, well, this team's good. You know,
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  Speaker 6: you knew they'd beaten Carolina, but Cincinnati was good. They
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  Speaker 6: had led on the road. So since then, they have
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  Speaker 6: been a good team. And now, unlike last year, where
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  Speaker 6: you felt like they were going up and weren't quite
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  Speaker 6: sure if they should be favored, et cetera, I think
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  Speaker 6: the Jaguars are the better team, and I expect them
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  Speaker 6: to go in.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do our second big thing today, which is on
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  Speaker 2: the road again. We've talked a ton about the schedule.
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  Speaker 2: You have to play the games ahead of you. But, John,
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  Speaker 2: this is a tough little stretch. And they've gotten through
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  Speaker 2: that first game against the Patriots. Now they head on
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  Speaker 2: the road to Cincinnati and then.
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  Speaker 3: The two London games.
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  Speaker 2: So how crucial is this section of the schedule for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the season?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyone, anywhere, anytime, any, any, any. Any. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a theme going into Denver.
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  Speaker 6: But at some point, if you're going to be anywhere, anytime,
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  Speaker 6: you got to start winning those anywhere, anytime. They have
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  Speaker 6: to win on the road, and they have to beat
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  Speaker 6: good teams on the road. So it's very important. The
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  Speaker 6: first part of the important was beating New England because
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  Speaker 6: now you're going into this stretch 2-1. You feel like
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  Speaker 6: you can stay afloat. There's not quite as much pressure, but, Brian,
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  Speaker 6: in the NFL, there's always pressure. So, yeah, you've got
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  Speaker 6: to go win.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, going to Cincinnati is not like going to Denver
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  Speaker 4: or Kansas City or New England or Pittsburgh. It's not
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  Speaker 4: that kind of a place. But if Joe Burrow gets
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  Speaker 4: started with Chase and Higgins– all of a sudden it
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  Speaker 4: can be a very difficult place to play. So the
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  Speaker 4: Jaguars have got to go up and take care of business.
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  Speaker 4: If they just do what they've done, John, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: last week they played a New England team that came
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  Speaker 4: in that had allowed the fewest points in the league
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  Speaker 4: and they hung 35 on them. They were number one
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  Speaker 4: in third down defense and the Jaguars converted 66%. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the numbers just keep, how about the Reds? They were
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  Speaker 4: the number one red zone defense and the Jaguars were
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  Speaker 4: five of five.
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  Speaker 5: The Jaguars performed like an elite team. If they do
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  Speaker 5: that on Sunday, they will beat The Bengals.
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  Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be overrun
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  Speaker 2: because the Jaguars have been trying to get the running
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  Speaker 2: game going and they finally got it together against the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots and success throughout that running back group. But Brian,
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  Speaker 2: this week they're going up against a defense that has
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  Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence right in the middle of that thing. So
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  Speaker 2: it might look a little different. Yeah, they are.
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  Speaker 4: And they're holding teams to under 100 yards rushing per game.
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  Speaker 4: They're very talented up front because they have big Dexter
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  Speaker 4: Jackson sitting.
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  Speaker 5: Right there in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, The Jaguars, at the end of last season, Kai,
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  Speaker 4: they were only getting 3.3 yards per rushing attempt.
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  Speaker 5: The rushing offense had fallen off.
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  Speaker 4: So far through three games this year, the Jaguars running
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  Speaker 4: backs are producing 4.4 yards per rushing attempt. And John,
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  Speaker 4: last week, they converted all four of their third down runs,
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  Speaker 4: and they were 8 of 12 overall in third down.
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  Speaker 4: So the running game was so critical to the win
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  Speaker 4: last week. because it sustained drives, kept possessions alive, and
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  Speaker 4: helped the Jaguars get to the red zone, which obviously
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  Speaker 4: was a major success point for them. So the running game,
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  Speaker 4: although the coach, I suspect, would tell you it's not
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  Speaker 4: where they want it to be, it is performing above expectations.
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  Speaker 6: All teams want to be the better running team, the
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  Speaker 6: better stop-the-run team in a game. This team really hangs
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  Speaker 6: its hat on it. It was definitely, usually last year,
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  Speaker 6: the better run defense. I think what the run offense
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  Speaker 6: has done so far this year is really important. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know if it's been spectacular yet. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if it's dominated games yet, but you believe in it,
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  Speaker 6: and the opponent has to worry about it, and they
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  Speaker 6: have to be concerned about it. So far, this has
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  Speaker 6: been a successful run team. They want to get better,
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  Speaker 6: but the start indicates that it will get better because
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  Speaker 6: if you start like this, You're going to get better
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  Speaker 6: as you get used to what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: And it's worth pointing out, Kai, that it was the
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  Speaker 4: Basial Tootin' Show the first two weeks. Last week, they
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  Speaker 4: introduced more Chris Rodriguez, and both of them produced at
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  Speaker 4: a high level, including touchdowns. This running game has a
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  Speaker 4: different dimension to it when both of those guys are going.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So this here on JAGZAM, we're going to do a
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  Speaker 2: little this or that about the first three weeks of
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  Speaker 2: the season when we come back. Welcome back into Jags
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  Speaker 2: AM and it's victory week so we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: a little this or that. Looking back victory week continues.
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  Speaker 2: They won so let's talk about some fun stuff. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a bunch of replays of that Parker Washington touchdown
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  Speaker 2: which is spectacular almost as much as I love the
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  Speaker 2: Josh Cameron throw from week one. So which catch were
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  Speaker 2: you most impressed by? I feel like It should be Parker,
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  Speaker 2: but I almost expect it from him, so maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: not as impressive.
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  Speaker 4: The combination of the throw and the catch and the circumstance,
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  Speaker 4: because it was, what, third down and 17. They had
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  Speaker 4: been backed up by penalties and mistakes. I mean, it's hard.
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  Speaker 4: The ball just slid underneath the defender, and somehow... He
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  Speaker 4: got it, John, and kept it from going to the
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  Speaker 4: ground as all of his body weight was going to
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  Speaker 4: the ground. I mean, it's remarkable. I've said it time
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  Speaker 4: and again, and I even said it to him last week.
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  Speaker 4: I said, please don't be offended.
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  Speaker 5: You remind me of a gymnast.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's just so powerful, explosive, compact, just the
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  Speaker 4: way that he moves, and that was certainly a gymnastic
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  Speaker 4: move on his part.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's– I've covered some great receivers, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne,
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  Speaker 6: Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, and It seems so premature to
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  Speaker 6: put Parker in that category because he's in a very
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  Speaker 6: young stage of his career. But in watching that the
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  Speaker 6: other day, when he caught it, I was like, that's
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  Speaker 6: a great catch, and I wasn't surprised.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of get to the point with these.
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  Speaker 6: Great ones where you're like, okay, you did it, and
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  Speaker 6: you move on, you write down what you need to
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  Speaker 6: write down, and you're covering it.
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  Speaker 1: I got to go with Parker.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's because, I guess, the consistency you expected
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  Speaker 6: so much But what's interesting is Josh Cameron's starting to
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  Speaker 6: look at times like that.
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  Speaker 5: What a player to learn from.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, one more circumstance that made it
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  Speaker 4: even better was the fact that on the play before
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  Speaker 4: he had caught that, he was third in what, 11?
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  Speaker 2: He made another crazy catch that was a penalty.
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  Speaker 1: And called back.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, he just time and time and time again,
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  Speaker 5: he does it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, in a lot of the advanced metrics and
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  Speaker 4: next-gen stats, he's top 10. Top 10, think about that,
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  Speaker 4: in the National Football League. A guy who most people
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  Speaker 4: thought was just a complimentary receiver, a slot guy?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: No, his production and his numbers say he's much more
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  Speaker 5: than that.
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  Speaker 6: And not only does he make these plays, he makes
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  Speaker 6: them in really important moments. They don't beat Denver last
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  Speaker 6: year without his big plays in important moments, etc.
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  Speaker 1: The other day, you're 14-3 there.
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  Speaker 6: If he doesn't make that unbelievable catch, which you just
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  Speaker 6: sort of assume he's going to make now, It's 17-3.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably not throwing.
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  Speaker 6: As panicky as they did on the next series. It
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  Speaker 6: turns into a blowout. He just makes big plays at
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  Speaker 6: big moments.
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  Speaker 2: This might be a Parker sweep, but who's your most
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  Speaker 2: trusted target for him? Because I know they always try
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  Speaker 2: to find Parker, but now the way that teams are
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  Speaker 2: game planning for him can sometimes be taken away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you still trust Parker? I mean, I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: to interrupt you. Jacoby has moved up as well. The
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  Speaker 1: other day, for example, they went to Parker. He got
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  Speaker 1: a penalty.
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  Speaker 6: Went right back to him. I doubt Trevor would say
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  Speaker 6: it because he don't want to insult the other guys.
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  Speaker 6: But when it's big, when it's third and eight and
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  Speaker 6: you need it, maybe he's not always looking for them,
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  Speaker 6: but I think he feels best when it's the right
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  Speaker 6: read to Parker.
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  Speaker 5: I can't argue with that.
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  Speaker 4: Just for the other side, I mean, last week they
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  Speaker 4: threw it at Jacoby six times, seven times, and he
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  Speaker 4: made six catches. And there was the release on the
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  Speaker 4: touchdown throw where if you look at the end zone copy,
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  Speaker 4: He's nowhere to be seen. There is a trust factor
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  Speaker 4: that Jacoby will be exactly where I'm putting the ball,
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  Speaker 4: and that's rare, too. So he has a couple of
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  Speaker 4: targets like that. Brenton Strange can be added to it,
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  Speaker 4: guys that he really trusts. But, I mean, the guy
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  Speaker 4: that he throws to with abandon, just puts the ball
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  Speaker 4: out there, is Parker.
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  Speaker 1: I think Cameron's interesting here.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously, he's worked with Parker for much longer than Cameron,
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  Speaker 6: but Everything you hear is that Cameron catches everything in practice.
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  Speaker 6: I've got to think that that's getting to where he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't worry if that's the read. So it's an interesting
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  Speaker 6: dynamic right now.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of a side note, but in terms of Trevor's
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  Speaker 2: maturation as well, he's now gotten to a point where
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  Speaker 2: he has trust in a lot of people. And I
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  Speaker 2: think before he used to kind of shade more towards
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  Speaker 2: certain individuals on the roster, whether it was a Christian
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  Speaker 2: Kirk or an Evan Ingram and maybe Parker early in
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  Speaker 2: his career. I don't know if he had that trust
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  Speaker 2: in Parker, but when we talk about the trust he
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  Speaker 2: now has in Josh Cameron, he's so confident in himself,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like that's creating the trust because he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to put.
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  Speaker 5: It in the right spot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's at his best.
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  Speaker 6: 22 was his best run before this when he just
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  Speaker 6: trusted Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk and even Zay Jones,
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  Speaker 6: trusted those guys organically. Marvin Jones, same way. You never
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  Speaker 6: got the idea that he was worried about who he
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  Speaker 6: was throwing to. Feels like it's getting to that point,
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  Speaker 6: maybe even beyond right now.
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  Speaker 5: You said it right. He trusts himself.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the trust that he has right now that
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  Speaker 4: he knows what he's doing and what the game plan
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  Speaker 4: is and trusting the coaching staff to put him in
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  Speaker 4: the right position, it starts with him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, still stuff to improve upon, so we do want
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  Speaker 2: to touch on this. The pass rush problem. We've talked
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  Speaker 2: about the team looked great against the Browns in Week 1,
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  Speaker 2: weren't able to do much against the Broncos. Maybe better
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  Speaker 2: once you look back at the tape against the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: than you may have thought on first watch, but are
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  Speaker 2: they going to be able to have success against these
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  Speaker 2: better teams if they can't get home and.
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  Speaker 3: Get those sack numbers up?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to have success this
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  Speaker 4: week in getting home from the outside.
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  Speaker 5: We're all looking at Josh and Trayvon.
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  Speaker 4: Those are the two big guys that you pay, you
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  Speaker 4: expect to get there. Orlando Brown is 6'8, 350, and
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  Speaker 4: Amarius Mims is the same. And both of them are
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  Speaker 4: playing at a high level and protect that quarterback. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if you get there this week, but they're
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  Speaker 4: too talented. And at some point, something's going to emerge
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  Speaker 4: in the middle. Something's going to work on a blitz.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to have to take their attention.
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  Speaker 5: Off of both of those. That's really the key, John.
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  Speaker 4: There's so much attention directed towards 41 and 44 that
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  Speaker 4: it's tough for them to get there, especially in a
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  Speaker 4: quick setting where the quarterback's getting rid of it in
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  Speaker 4: three or four steps.
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  Speaker 6: When the game was in doubt the other day, there
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  Speaker 6: were a few plays up front with Trayvon and Josh
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  Speaker 6: where I thought they impacted things. By the second half,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that game wasn't really close enough to
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  Speaker 6: have big moment pass rushes. So it was okay to
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  Speaker 6: me against Cleveland, not great against Denver. Was Denver the altitude?
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  Speaker 6: All those things. I guess my point is we're still
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  Speaker 6: sort of pushing through and seeing what trends are. I
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  Speaker 6: do know that everybody has to be better than they
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  Speaker 6: were in the second half of the very meaningful football
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  Speaker 6: against Denver where they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Get a pass rush. Key to it all, better on
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  Speaker 1: the interior. And I agree with Brian.
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  Speaker 6: That's always the hidden thing that nobody ever wants to
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  Speaker 6: talk about with edge rushers.
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  Speaker 1: You must get pressure from inside.
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  Speaker 4: And last week, there were two fumbles by the Bengals
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  Speaker 4: because there was pressure from the Steelers. They didn't get
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  Speaker 4: to him a lot, but they forced him to do
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  Speaker 4: some things that made him uncomfortable. He fumbled it at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the game when they were driving to
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  Speaker 4: try a go-ahead field goal. So just even creating doubt
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  Speaker 4: in the mind of the quarterback about what's coming can help.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what it looks like this week. We'll dive
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  Speaker 2: more into that matchup on Thursday's show, but stay with
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  Speaker 2: us here on this show. After the break, we'll do
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  Speaker 2: a little around the NFL and see what's going on
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in.
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  Speaker 2: Time to talk a little bit about what's been going
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  Speaker 2: on around the NFL. And we're going to start with
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  Speaker 2: the AFC South because now another team besides the Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: have gotten a win. The Colts played the Texans and
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  Speaker 2: the Colts got their first win of the season. The
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  Speaker 2: Texans 0-3 for the second year in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Remarkable, John.
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  Speaker 4: The Colts had lost nine consecutive games. Dating back to
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  Speaker 4: last season, nothing was working for them. In fact, at
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  Speaker 4: the end of last year, you start losing players like
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  Speaker 4: Daniel Jones.
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  Speaker 5: At the beginning of this season, Alec Pierce.
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  Speaker 4: And yet they found a way against a very talented
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  Speaker 4: defense on a day that their star running back couldn't
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  Speaker 4: find any room. And Jones made enough key throws to
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  Speaker 4: Josh Downs and a few other players to find a
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  Speaker 4: way to get a win.
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  Speaker 6: You never know how seasons are going to play out.
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  Speaker 6: I think the Colts are going to matter in this race.
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  Speaker 6: The Texans historically can overcome slow starts. It's why if
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  Speaker 6: I'm a Jaguars observer, I was just as glad to
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  Speaker 6: see the Colts get that because you sort of know
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  Speaker 6: that out of those two teams, the Texans are the
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  Speaker 6: team that feels like they have a superpower, that if
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  Speaker 6: they get hot and they lean into that and they
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  Speaker 6: get a little more going offensively, you feel like they
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  Speaker 6: could start going.
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  Speaker 1: So you kind of want to get them down.
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  Speaker 6: You feel like I guess based on last year when
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  Speaker 6: they beat the Colts twice, you feel like the Jaguars,
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  Speaker 6: if they have to go take care of things, again,
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  Speaker 6: I think the Colts are dangerous because of Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 6: and some factors, but don't you just kind of feel
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  Speaker 6: like you want the Texans pushed back?
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  Speaker 4: The Colts' defense is not that good. They've got a
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  Speaker 4: couple of players who, when they play well, have a
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  Speaker 4: chance to win. But you know you can score against
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  Speaker 4: the Colts.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know if you can score against the Texans.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Right, the Texans on the right day can shut you down.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And we've seen from them last year the reason the
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Jaguars run at the back end was because the Texans
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: were nipping at their heels the whole way as well
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: if they lost one game.
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: I think that's the point. Some franchises get down 0-3,
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: and they don't really know how to react. Not only
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: last year, there's been multiple seasons. That franchise can come
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: back from that sort of thing.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So they're still dangerous.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: They've done it twice since 2020. They have started 0-3
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: and gotten it done.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Believing you can do that matters.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: That's true. The question is, do they believe in the
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: quarterback in Houston?
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't sound like there's a resounding vote of
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: confidence there. And do they believe in their running game?
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: And right now, neither are performing at a level that
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: gives them a lot of confidence. But the defense does.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: The defense does.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: We're looking at some other future Jaguars opponents. Going to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: be taking on the Eagles in London. They were on
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football last night. And the Bears were on
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: third string, I guess you could say. Case Keenum coming
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: in out of nowhere, getting a win for the Bears
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: against the Eagles.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Eagles first loss of the season.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there felt like a few adjustment games this week,
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: meaning 2-0 teams that maybe aren't dominant. I'm not saying
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: the Eagles aren't dominant, but the Seahawks kind of came
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: back to earth a little bit with a road game
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: is what I'm getting at. It's so hard to run
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: off a lot of wins in a row. It's what
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: made the Jaguars season last year so unusual. I'm not
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: really worried about the Eagles. It felt like a circumstance-type game,
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: meaning the Bears sort of rallied around their situation.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Monday night football got up. Eagles had a hard time
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: coming back.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Regardless of what happened Monday, it's going to be a
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: tough matchup in London in a few weeks.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: You better be able to run the football if you're
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: going to beat the Eagles. I mean, I watched Jalen
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Carter and Jordan Davis last night.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Just fill every gap. There were two guys. It just
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: seemed like they were everywhere.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: So you've got to get your running game tuned up
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: a little bit more, and it's got to be productive
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: if you're going to be Philadelphia.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting matchup. And then just
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a sneak peek of what we'll get into more in
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: tomorrow's show. But the Bengals and Steelers, typical AFC North
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: clash where the Bengals are riding high 2-0, and they
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: come in and the Steelers just found a way.
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a rivalry game. Again, there's so much about
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: the early season. you want to jump on trends and
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: you forget that it's such a week-to-week league.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Bengals were 2-0.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: They had also beaten the Texans and the Bucks, who
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: don't have wins.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: The Steelers were struggling, but in this first two or.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Three games, you just don't know what teams are yet. Again,
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: I kind of feel like the Jaguars should go up
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Sunday and win because I feel like they're here and
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: the Bengals are maybe here right now, and you're supposed
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: to win those. So, Bengals are dangerous, but Aaron Rodgers
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: is still the guy.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they ran for 130, 135 yards, right? I mean,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Jalen Warren went for 117 or 127, and that's what
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: really got it done is that they found a way
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: to push them around up front. Kai, a week after
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they got pushed around by a very good Patriots.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Front that this team just pushed around.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: So you're Your thesis, right, the transitive property of equality?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: A plus B equals C, then B plus C equals A.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: The Jaguars should be able to translate what they did
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: against the Patriots to the Bengals this week. The question is,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: how will they practice, and then will they actually go
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: and get it done?
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Because those are the two variables.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: I think what's really intriguing, as you think about what
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: we're seeing, this is a time where you work things
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: out and figure out who's good. I think the Jaguars, look,
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: I know the Patriots aren't playing great, but they were
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl last year. and they're a proud team,
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: and you took them apart. The Jaguars have a chance
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: to show Eagles, Texans, Cincinnati. I think they're one of
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: the best teams. I think sometimes fans still look at
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: it as they remember how bad the Jaguars were for
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: so long and think.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Eagles, they can't go beat the Eagles.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: They've had a chance to show they belong, and they
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: sure did it last week. So I think this is
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: more of an opportunity the next month than it is
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: a gauntlet.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Jaguars played elite last week. To be an elite team,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you have to do it every week.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Keeping it going.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Continuity.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: We love consistency.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Stay with us.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: We'll tell you what's coming up the rest of the week.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Bengals matchup presented by Bud Light. Bud Light, the official
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: beer of.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Jags heading out on the road, going to take on
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the Bengals this week. And this starts that long stretch away,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: so we're not going to be back. We've seen the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: constructions already going. As soon as fans walked out on Sunday,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they really got after it. But it's going to look
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: totally different by the time they're back, I think, 1st
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of November.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: I think I counted five concrete trucks all in a
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: line this morning.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: They were ready.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: They were lined up.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: They are not missing the opportunity.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: The question is, what will the Jaguars look like when
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: we get back here in five weeks?
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Will they be in.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: This position as a team that is a contender, or
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: will they be still fighting for their reputation and fighting
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: for where they want to go?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they put themselves. It's why getting out of.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: That New England-Denver stretch, one and one, was so important.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: You're two and one going into this. If you've been
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: one and two and you drop two of three in
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: a tough stretch, then you're sort of up against it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: It gives them a little bit of breathing room going
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: into this in a tough stretch.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: If you come home four and two, in particular with
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: a couple of AFC wins, man, contender is just stamped
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: right on your forehead.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Just going in the bi-week cruising.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: That would be great.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow on Jag's Am, we'll get more in-depth into that
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: matchup with the Bengals, and we'll hear from Coach and
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: some of the other players as well.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: But we'll see you on Thursday morning.