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Yoreh De’ah 169:6-9. Interest: Jew assuming a Non-Jew’s Loan From a Jew; Jew Borrows With Interest Through a Non-Jew; Pawn Shop · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Fine, good morning. We are in Tribus Simon Kusamajez
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  slash Kusamajez says hey in Israel Hilde Lovikovim if Israel
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  lends money to to Ovikovim Beribus, Ovid Kokovim mother is
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  some Israel Beribus and he passes it on to passes along on
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  to Israel. No, we did this.
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  I think we did this No, we did this.
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  It's up to Sifov. We did this yesterday.
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  Let's start from Sifov. Obika Khlova in Shellava mostly
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  sell the ribi so BK shots 01 Obika Khlova Nanju who borrows
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  money from Eiselber Ribis and who be Kesh sorry.
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  He lends money to Israel and he wants it.
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  He wants it back. The monthly you sell we found a
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  different different you sell our loads suddenly and the and the
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  Israel tells the tells the guy, listen, give them to me.
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  Vani LLO found the other Israel and he tells him, listen, pay me
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  and I will I will pay you Gaddafi motor.
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  So what's the case here? The guy the guy borrowed Let's
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  take clear the guy borrowed money from from Israel and wants
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  to return the money and and and if and the different you sell
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  found the found this non Jew and he said, listen, do it.
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  Tell you what, give it to me and I'll I'll give it to the to the
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  first guy. Same for the same deal, but
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  Philo that's motor, the Philo Amarly and the LLO because
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  they're actually at the Mallelo motor and even he says exactly
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  the same way. Remember, it's everything.
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  It's motor. It should be Shrila.
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  We can call him nicely now because he becomes Ashley for
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  for the going to return it. The he made me do a sees
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  throughout if they and if they all had a conference together.
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  Yeah, I hope he should not so Novica hobby from most the
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  other. Even if the the you know the non
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  Jew gave they gave the money and straightened to the swirl's
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  hands hold we dasi swell not son.
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  Also in that case, if the originally swirl was there, they
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  all have a you know, all of a meeting and there's, you know,
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  and their mind made the Hove from change from one to the
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  other. So then it's also even in there.
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  He's not a schleich of the going there.
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  It's just with it's with the dots of the original Malda.
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  So then it becomes Kilo, It's Alva, then the Schlute, then the
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  in that case, the the going becomes a schleich to the
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  original. You throw Gavi Ishma Keely, if
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  you let me do it. So some some of Mako, even if
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  it's a you know, even if they're they're all together, it's still
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  it's still he's still schliere for the going to pay back of all
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  Inca conservation. You know, if it's in a place
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  where the business practice, the business practices, the minute
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  you know the is to is to do this.
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  So then it's it was what they have what to rely on Zion lovely
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  most for ribos me sell he's go go borrow.
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  You know, he thinks he's doing listen, I can't obviously it's
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  also for me to go ahead and borrow borrow, you know, borrow
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  money from ribos. So you go borrow money with
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  ribos. You sell the the the Shimpa
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  right and go to him and you know, Oh yeah, I'm borrowing
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  whatever I'm all the Loyola should be really swirling and
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  the Malda doesn't realize and he doesn't even realize As for it's
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  OK for the Malda. It turns out the Malda is motor
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  that that was OK. It was a motor.
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  However, the lady is still doing is still doing it.
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  If you pay, if he pays back, some say is the Mako, because he
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  so can't make launch you into into a Schliach right, inspired
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  the ain't no hockey Lapa Shinogo, the hockey, but that's
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  that was the whole and the last sift.
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  The bait of time held that the reason why even a meter was
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  motor is the Ramada, the first sheet of the Ramada last sift,
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  because also because it ain't because of ain't Schlico Solova
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  Kabhi, the field of Hobra right. We had the smoking site
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  yesterday that there's no schlicostorgo, even the homra.
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  It's just it's it doesn't, it doesn't, it's, it's nothing.
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  So therefore, so do over here Malcolm Schnell go the whole
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  Carol, this case here. He sends, he sends the guy.
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  So it's it's meaningless. It's those shalikhas, right?
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  He's doing a nice thing or whatever he's doing, but it's
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  not an it's not an actual Shalikhas and therefore it would
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  be motor and it's what to rely on if that's the meaning.
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  Right. If it's, if it's if he borrowed
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  and then, and then while that was the case, we had the case
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  before, then he lent. And it depends, you know, if
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  it's not connected at all to the original Israel, then yeah.
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  And then, then, then, then there's not a there's not a
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  problem. But we have the cases before
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  where he said, listen, he came by and said, listen, you know,
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  I'll take the loan over a different thing, you know,
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  whatever. But if it's Tom Liguori on his
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  own, then the money was ribbedous.
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  There's no shackles, you know. Yeah, It doesn't make it, you
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  know, that doesn't that that doesn't make a difference.
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  No, she was here and. When the model receives the
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  ribbons, it's even though he now knows that it was from from
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  Australia, and now he's and the load is doing an insert and he's
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  glad to. Receive.
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  So that that's that's yeah, yeah, the Malve evolves motor
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  lika akaka ribis. He's always good in this and
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  he's. Allowed to help him do this, now
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  he knows. Yeah, and the kid eager brings
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  that that some say there's no there's no answer from one to
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  the other. Which Taco makes a little more
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  sense. But but how do you understand?
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  Yeah, I mean, one second. Yeah.
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  I don't know exactly how how he's supposed to how he's
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  supposed to get, you know. I mean, he really he should
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  hurry, your hurry. He shouldn't, according to
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  shuffle arc, he shouldn't collect the money because it's a
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  lift neighbor or whatever. Messiah But but if he took it
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  already, then he doesn't have to return it.
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  It wasn't it was taken. Behatter.
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  I mean, right. You shouldn't do it if he knows
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  you shouldn't do it. But if he took it already, he
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  doesn't have to return the money.
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  He was a straight rate whatever he sells.
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  Shamar Lovikhovig. Lovely.
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  Mina, go borrow from your friend.
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  You know Bereavis. So how we can call him Love me
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  so. And the the boy.
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  Yeah. When himself went to another,
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  went to a Jew. Bereavis mother.
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  Because there, it's not even even it's not even sad.
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  It's his loan. And he's just passed now he's
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  passing the loan on to Julie, Sir.
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  The fact that he Sir, gives money, he's no, there's no loan
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  over here. There's no ribbis between
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  between the, the first, the, the, the, the later and the and
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  the marvel. He's just, you know, this is, I
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  don't know, whatever it is, there's no like, you know,
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  there's no, there's no actual, there's no actual ribbus in this
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  in in this situation. And it's kilo.
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  He's paying kilo. He's just he's just paying it.
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  Even if you say that he's paying back to the original, to the
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  original, to the swirls, he's paying back for the glory, which
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  which is also fine. There's no, there's no issue.
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  Yeah, even if, even if the because he's just paying for the
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  glory. That's that's the thing.
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  He's not the glory took the loan.
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  You know, in fact, that either he's either he's paying it back
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  to the glory or he stopped giving the guy money.
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  It's not, you know, doesn't there's no connection.
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  Tess Ovika College should love me so most very best Almashka.
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  I'll start getting into a lot of this lessons in talks about
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  mashkin going to borrow from he borrowed money from and a
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  mashkin right The the the the God gives him a mashkin with
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  Shasta Perdeus, A mashkin and when he is PO the the mashkin
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  again, the mashkin. You know, how Mashkin works is
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  is either either it's something he can collect for a Mashka, it
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  is he gets some sort of collateral.
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  He gives whatever his car. So it's either something at some
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  point, you know, the obviously the guy doesn't doesn't pay the
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  guy. He can keep it.
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  Some say it could be he can, he can even keep it like Aquila.
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  There's different, there's different a lot of us about it.
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  So over here, the guy wants to be pulled there.
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  He wants to be pulled in his car from the, you know, from the
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  Israel Shaliwa Amashka. What do you mean it's mine?
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  Yeah. Hey, that's my.
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  That's my Mashkaan Loya minu amalva Aiden.
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  So I'm a Shaliwa Mashkaan Loya Minu Amalva Aiden.
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  Yeah, fine. Look at me now.
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  We can't be. Can't the model doesn't have the
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  any name on it. So 18 low yuka lahavi he low
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  yuka lahayi shaye lo hummus atman shenasa hamal VE lovi.
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  The 18 can't be made the money themselves that he gave them all
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  the lent to the to the guy 'cause everything else in the
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  Israel, he can't, they can't be made that he gave it to the
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  other Israel. Yeah.
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  So one second, the Shalia Masha doesn't mean he stole.
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  He stole the car that was talking.
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  He's talking about that the the other he says, wait a second, He
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  gave me this car for a mashkin and he gave me this.
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  He gave the mashkin to me, right.
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  What are you doing with the mashkin?
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  He already gave me, he gave me an island.
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  He gave me a mashkin. Right, the guy gave a gave a
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  mashkin to borrow money and you know, and he gave the mashkin to
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  Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel region and different
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  Israel comes and says no, no, no, he gave me this mashkin he
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  gave to me. How do you have it?
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  So it's everybody agrees. That originally belonged to the.
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  Drive and the second Israeli send.
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  No, he's not saying he stole it. He's not.
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  I don't think he's he's not claiming he stole it.
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  Let's let's go through the let's go through the whole case here.
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  But you have you know, I'm out of it can't be made the money
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  that they gave he gave me to the guy.
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  It can't be made that they he lent it to the into the so
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  kiyuka lomar akhvam laatzmayi. He could say that he kept that
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  money himself. One second.
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  Let's read the whole thing. We'll be my voice of Hillvillo
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  so and from his own money he lent the other.
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  You swell the emu, your Dasha Masha show you sell also the
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  Habasa love. If you know that the mashkin is
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  the swirls also to use it for a mashkin.
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  Obviously you did a vadai. You know do a shoe show you sell
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  to, don't you Malbush? You know we could have been
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  giving bow before the really car rib is so one second.
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  So let me get it clear over here.
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  What's going on there's? One simple.
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  Trip. The the.
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  The oven is. Borrowing from the Jew.
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  Yeah, a mushroom. Yeah, this mushroom he got from
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  a. Separate transaction that.
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  The that the guy lent out money to the Jew.
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  Ah, that could be right. The whole.
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  Plan is to to. Is saying the money and the
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  mushroom that I gave to? The to the right right you
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  couldn't you couldn't have used that to borrow other money from
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  different money from from the from the from the Israel Amalva
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  over here right. So let's go over this again.
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  So it says so by yourself, our Shalihu Amashka.
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  I gave him this Vashka. He couldn't have given it passed
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  it on to you, right. Lo Yamino Hamalva.
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  You can't believe you can't believe the Leon me.
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  No, the marvel doesn't have to listen to the Israel the aid in
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  the Yuka Lahavi and they and this second you throw doesn't
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  can't bring aid in Kilo Yuka Lahaid Shayla Hermos asked
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  Munchenos and her mother. Or we can have a house with us
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  in the Israel. They can't be made that that
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  money that he that the gorgeous you know that Yeah right.
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  He you call Oimar up from last, but he kept it for himself and
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  all he said he'll below and then he and he lent different money.
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  Why that makes. A difference and why can't you
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  why can't the going get going down from the Jew, Why can't
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  the. Yeah, he can't.
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  He can't. He can't Well.
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  Right, he can't he can't he can't pass them out.
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  He can't pass. He can't pass the mash the mash
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  gun along isn't that sure. But by the way, this sounds like
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  exactly like the porn business which is pop right now.
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  Exactly this is. Exactly.
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  What you did? Uh huh.
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  What did they pass on the they right, They pass right?
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  That could be right. So right he said he can't, he
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  can't prove that the second you sell can't prove that this
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  mashkin was really his. And maybe he was different money
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  or a different mashkin or something like that that he
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  passed on and maybe it's a completely different loan.
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  However, it says if you emu you, if you emu you, you, they are
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  Mashua you sell. If you know that that Mashka the
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  go he gave was a Israel's a Jewish idol, also the hobble
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  Salaf, then it's also for it's also for the the original for
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  for the, you know, this original novel going comes to Israel or I
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  want to be malvert on the spiritual.
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  You shouldn't do that for Afim. You're a you're David Vagai and
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  you do what you show you swell either.
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  If you know that it's that it was it was that Israel's if you
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  knew it was that you sells mash gun.
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  It's all it's also for him to go ahead and and to and to lend
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  money on it. And even if he doesn't know that
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  you sells, but you know it's a it's a Jews thing.
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  You don't you mabush children from Reggie limbo.
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  It's a keeper. I don't know.
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  It's chilling and anything like that before our Dovar leakage
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  Ribis. So that the problem over here is
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  that the problem over here is that yeah, in economic even if
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  you want, even if we say we know that the that this mashkin got
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  to the go and he, you know, said it is a mashkin and now he's
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  passing it on. The issue is it's Mahura Dovar
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  that he shouldn't use it if he doesn't know.
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  So we can't there's no way he doesn't have to believe the
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  second guy. And I make it they see, but
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  let's say he knows that these girls or he knows it's a Jews
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  object, you know. So then he shouldn't he
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  shouldn't use it to be as a mashkin who are Dover the cock
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  ribbons, because it also looks best secure, but it's not that
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  thousands. It doesn't seem so glad I've got
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  because they in a little Amanda is like this is only to those
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  who say that the sheet the sheet has to go in the Homer.
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  Well, Amanda Leslie motor before any of us.
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  There's no she goes. So then, you know, we can't say
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  that, you know, we can't say that the that there is a that
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  that there is from the original model to the second to the
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  second, you know, to the IT could be that, it could be that
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  it could be. That's what he's that's what he
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  that's what he that's what he can be alien that he passed the
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  money. He passed the money along
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  because the cases occur. He paid he borrowed money from
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  the second Israel and he paid him.
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  Let's say, let's say the case is like this, right?
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  Let's say, you know, you have to go.
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  You borrow money from the Israel and then, sorry, he lent one
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  second. He's a second.
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  He was he sells Shaney borrowed money from the goy right and he
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  gave him a Vashkin. Now the question is the question
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  is did he pass the money for the second you throw back to the
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  back to the originally thrilled to the model there and that
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  called the Shlikos. Well, the second. 1 said that.
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  It was the Shlikos right person didn't do anything wrong the
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  model this the second one might have said, you know pass it on.
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  If he knew about that the money came from him came from the
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  original. You smell that's what he's
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  claiming it's ribbous. I give me my mashkin back and
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  and and and there's no way for them to prove that this money
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  was asleep was you know could be paid.
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  There's no way to prove that so sounds.
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  Like mashkin is like. Almost like the person himself.
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  It's the sound of mashkin. Does he get the mashkin?
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  Does he not get the mashkin? I'm not sure by by a goy if
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  she's cutting them. I don't know.
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  I'm not sure if it's cutting them.
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  But the question over here is basically love is claiming that
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  this this this moth over here saying, well, this, this is so
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  Louisville, right? Who gave a mashkin to the goy is
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  claiming that that it went straight to the cell.
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  Therefore, it's also and we say there's no yeah.
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  And if he does only before Dover or if he knows it went straight
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  and we hold so then so then then we can then we have It's sad to
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  say that that the this guy he was is this Israel sent, you
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  know, sent the money to the guy or the and the and or the
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  mashkin to the to the to the Israel Malva make it clear is.
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  The fact that. It's it's likely that.
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  The guy is now mending out right, right, right.
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  So the whole thing, the whole thing seems that's the point.
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  It seems fishy. See, it seems like it could be
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  and it could be that he everyone they all know what's going on
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  and it's a way to bypass Ribbus and everything like that.
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  So therefore, if you hold sleek Homra, so therefore there there
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  and some animal Croatia. So then you're talking about
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  real Ribbus over here. So on the Leslie motor before
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  Indians are paying cost of machine in the time the most
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  elite in the cochino Matt Mashgreen is the Ovica hobby.
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  You are allowed to go ahead and give a mashkin.
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  You borrows money from a going and give a mashkin to him.
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  I feel a lot of the issue plus so the mashkin A2 you sell, you
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  are allowed to go ahead and have let him pass along the mash gun
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  his the mash gun to a different different if he borrows money
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  from them. I feel a lot of the ship of the
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  Masha. I feel a him Sparrow, even if
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  they're his sparring, but mother Makira, he knows who's it is.
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  I feel him hazer. I'm all there, Umar.
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  It's a hello Eva. Let's say that Malva gets this
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  and you're like listen, you can take your starring back.
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  You know until it pays. It's OK You can take the
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  starring back. Shari all the Yadav.
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  This is a sheet of survey the time the quark of softy the
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  beyond annoying if that was the meaning Yeah, they're talking.
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  You know the times in Europe. This is the only way people
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  lived. I mean, whatever this is how
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  they made you didn't have any money at all.
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  So you know the office of annoying the Hokka like this
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  like she just made the time that Fido in her Mashka.
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  Sorry, even if the you know the leaves the picture right and and
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  he sell the second he sells put in the mashkin straight.
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  Sorry. So fine, OK either way, the
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  cells involved with the of the of the mashkin meal in the mava
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  and it rates Litan mashkin. If the mava doesn't want to give
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  the mashkin to the he sent that, you know the he still sent the
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  to be played in. I'm sure it's the other.
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  He doesn't he doesn't have to share.
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  Ain't no ASIC. Who are you?
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  I said it's my stuff. OK, So what?
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  Right share ain't no ASIC. Rocky Novikokovic.
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  This is that he's all ball, ball, ball love ball drive DD at
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  you're not my ball drive. You're not the things are can't
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  give. It's real the shit here.
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  Mash can shove a negative about itself, however, also has to be
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  that the mash gun equals the amount of the law.
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  Could they show you Halo ASIC? You know leave a call and you'd
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  said the remote says it has to be that it's you know shove it
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  to shove it. It's not because if it's if it's
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  less than the amount because it mash gun can be is allowed to.
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  Sometimes the mash gun is allowed to be less than the
• 24:26
  amount and it's different didn't involved and it was.
• 24:30
  But but if that's the case, then he has to start making fish
• 24:34
  bonos and and and OK, well, OK, I'm taking the masking.
• 24:37
  You still owe this much. The case over here.
• 24:39
  In order for to be to be Matthew the Schleifel has to be that
• 24:43
  it's key. It's two separate, fully
• 24:45
  separate transactions, even though it's the swells sparring
• 24:49
  fill it, whatever it is, but it has to be that that he can just
• 24:53
  he can just say, OK, fine, now it's mine and and and if he
• 24:58
  still wants to be party there, he could say, you know, too bad.
• 25:01
  Why, you know, you know, he gave it to the guy.
• 25:03
  I don't know, no shyness, but you know, if he if he has to
• 25:06
  start making fresh bonos and calculations and then then
• 25:10
  again, it looks that it looks like there's Schlidos and and
• 25:13
  the Ramones at Matt here. Well, says I can't.
• 25:16
  You can't be Mako, Karina, Tom in that situation.
• 25:21
  So. Also.
• 25:25
  Confusing because we're not. We're not.
• 25:26
  Like you said, we're not used to be so.