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11 - I sense trouble ahead... (Is psychic ability a real thing?) · Arguing Ever After

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  Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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  I'm Luke and this is my very powerful wife, Amber.
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  Hello. Together we are the Lord and
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  contention. The Duke and Duchess of
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  Disagreement. And the king and queen of
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  quarrels. We have been together since Miss
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  Cleo asked all of America, call me now.
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  will help settle your argument before you even have it.
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  And here we are at episode #11. 11.
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  Oh, that makes me think of something super funny.
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  I don't know if I'm the only person who found this rabbit
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  hole on the Internet, but there's I'm Scottish.
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  I've said this before. I mean, I'm not like from
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  Scotland, but I of Scottish lineage quite, quite strongly.
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  You're a mutt like I am. Well, I did the DNA test, so 44%
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  Scott. OK, it's pretty strong.
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  That is pretty strong. And my name directly from
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  Scotland, right from the Highland.
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  I'm a Highlander and you made me a Lord, as we said before.
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  So just saying. Anyway, so this rabbit hole I
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  found on the Internet that pertains to our current episode
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  and Scotland. If you want to get a good laugh,
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  if you think accents are funny, there's a skit from like, who
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  knows how long ago, I'm gonna guess 10 years ago, where these
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  two Scottish guys get into an elevator that's only activated
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  by voice. Oh I saw it was the most
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  annoying skit. Oh God.
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  Funny. So The thing is like it has an
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  American accent and it's like, please save the floor you would
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  like to go to. And then the guys are like, I
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  love them. And the things like I'm sorry I
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  didn't understand you and it goes on like that basically for
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  5 minutes and the guys get more and more angry and animated and
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  it is super hilarious. So most of the time when I hear
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  the number 11, that comes into my head and I want to scream 11
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  with the Scottish brogue and be the only person in the room who
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  knows what's going on. It's kind of it's, it's a one of
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  those things when someone finds a video really funny and they
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  share it with the other person, especially in a couple and you
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  kind of give a little. That's what I did.
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  And I think you were a little upset that I did not find it
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  hilarious. I just, it just kept going and
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  going. It was, it did.
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  I think it was like a 10 minute video.
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  I think you're right. It's maybe it's 11 minutes.
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  Oh, I hope so. I mean, I don't, but also for
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  those who like it and make it, I like the timing.
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  Yeah, it's. Not that long though.
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  It might feel that long. It's probably more like 3 or 4
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  minutes. You showed me a video today, the
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  same thing happened. You were like, look at this,
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  look at this, OMG. And I was like, OK, that's a
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  video. I don't get it.
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  It had two Huskies with little shoes on their feet and they
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  were tapping and it I just found it hilarious it.
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  They were shaking their groove thing they were, and tapping
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  their little feet with shoes on it.
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  No, I I think it was an advertisement, but it doesn't
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  matter for. Dog shoes.
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  Maybe, but I don't know, it's sort of funny.
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  It had me laughing. For sure.
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  Every time I see dog shoes I think, oh, how precious I mean.
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  There are certainly dogs you know, and there's the like when
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  the the sidewalk is hot and things like that, you should
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  protect their paws. When the sidewalk is hot.
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  Too hot? Yeah.
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  Could you imagine walking on what's like 100° with your poor
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  little pads? I mean that's like they have
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  built in shoes. They got a big, big leather, you
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  know, moccasin built, built right in.
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  Isn't that fine? I think that they can use
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  protection just as well as humans.
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  However, that is not at all what we're talking about today.
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  That's true. I did want to take a moment
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  though. OK, we have some welcoming of
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  new audience members. Oh this is fun.
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  This is one of my favorite things to do.
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  It is mine too, and I don't want to get too far before we
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  acknowledge let's. Tell the people what's going on.
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  Acknowledge our next door neighbor, Wisconsin.
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  Hello. Welcome, Wisconsin.
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  Welcome, Wisconsin. Took you a little bit to get
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  here and now I'm going to forget the other one.
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  I'm really sorry, I want to say. Come all the way from the land
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  of cheese to the land of butter sculptures.
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  Right. In Ohio, Ohio.
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  Ohio. So that was really great.
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  So those are our two new states now.
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  This last time we not only got 2 new states, but we got 2 new
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  countries. Very exciting.
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  And one country is like kind of a rising country and listening
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  to podcasts. So it's like a important
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  audience to break into. So I think our our listener in
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  in this country, Australia. Yeah, the Aussies are here.
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  You need to share more with your fellow Australians because we'd
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  love to be in the land Down Under.
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  That's from that song. It.
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  Is oh man. Oh, and one of the fun things
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  we've been doing is how do you say hello in this foreign
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  language? So I get I.
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  Get the language of. I get the.
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  I had to Google it because I wasn't sure.
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  And. I mean, I know hello is just
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  hello, but also it told me that good day mate is an appropriate
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  greeting in Australia. So if you're the Australian and
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  I just defended you, I'm not actually sorry.
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  I think it's great and good day to you.
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  Yes, yes. And then the other country we
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  picked up, yeah, also like a whole.
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  I don't know if they're they're not.
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  Quite a day away. But they're almost a day away.
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  You. Know who's only a day away?
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  Annie and Australia. OK.
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  And that would be tomorrow. Well, but Annie, same song, but
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  great song. The other country, Japan.
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  Yes. Super awesome.
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  It is super awesome. They're the land of many things
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  wonderful that we have over here.
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  Like sushi, which you hate, I do, but I don't hate it and our
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  daughter loves it. Oh, and Kobe beef, yes, which is
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  delicious and special. It is special and delicious and
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  we have our own little nachos. They come from island.
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  Cows. Island cows.
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  Yeah, different than island cows.
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  That's different. Yeah, yeah.
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  And oh, how to say hello in Japanese, Konichiwa.
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  Yeah. And to the Japanese listener, if
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  I said that wrong, you may correct me, because I'm almost
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  certain I didn't put the emphasis on the right syllables.
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  Yes, it's possible, but, but welcome to all of our new
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  audience members. We're still holding out for that
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  24 to 27, but they'll come one day.
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  We got to get that medium young crowd to check out what it's
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  like to listen to old people like us.
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  I know, I know. Well, one day I tell you though
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  being younger, you're perceptions of things are a
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  little different so maybe we just are outside of whatever the
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  hot thing is to listen to. Or to we're outside of the
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  hotness. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, and earlier I was thinking about when I was younger, and I
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  mean, I'm gonna go even younger than 23.
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  I was thinking about like teenage life and all of that,
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  and how I think as a rite of passage, every teenage girl or
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  angsty teenage girl goes through this period of an obsession with
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  the occult. Oh.
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  Specifically, psychics. And lots of other stuff, but
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  yes. Yes, yes.
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  Are you saying you had a phase like this?
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  I did. I really, really did.
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  Do tell. I know it's a big surprise for
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  you, but yeah, I, I did have an obsession with it.
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  And I remember the first time I was in actually 7th grade and I
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  had my palm read and based on my palm reading by this psychic who
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  was at this youth event. For sure.
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  By now I'm supposed to have at least three children.
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  Uh oh, and married twice. Well, sorry about the married
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  twice thing. I hope that second fella isn't
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  bummed out. Yeah, 'cause he probably is.
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  He missed out on something and the the three children, I mean,
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  if you count dogs, you're way over 3.
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  Oh, you know, I didn't think about fur children, but I
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  remember when. Technically there's three right
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  now if you count the animals and the human. 123 But I remember
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  thinking that that was not the life I wanted.
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  But I see, you know, that was what she predicted.
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  There you go. But it didn't sound very good.
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  And I feel like she probably told me something about money
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  and it probably wasn't what I wanted to hear, but I just
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  remember the three children. I was like, I grew up in a house
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  by a large family, but I had two sisters at home and I did not
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  want to have a repeat of three children in the same household.
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  But so that was my first thing with that.
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  And so I kind of was like, you didn't tell me what I wanted to
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  hear. So I don't.
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  I didn't really believe in palm reading.
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  It wasn't one of those things that I went down, but.
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  I like a good palm reading. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I've had them. I don't remember what I was
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  told, but I imagine it might have been something similar.
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  But I think it's kind of fun to engage in that kind of activity.
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  Well, I mean, I feel like it's one of those things that how
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  we're, you know, only time will disprove, right?
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  Or prove. Or prove it's been but so the
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  other thing that I've noticed a lot on, you know, the the world
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  out there and it could just be the timing.
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  It could just be how my feeds are going.
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  But psychics have been in there a lot.
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  And for me, again, that was a big thing.
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  I remember, I remember the Miss Cleo called me now at 11900
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  numbers. And for our younger viewers, you
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  don't probably know this, but there were regular numbers you
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  could call that didn't cost anything, 808 hundred numbers.
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  But the 900 numbers for every minute you had to pay a certain
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  dollar amount. Yeah, you did.
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  I knew better than to call. I always wanted to call when
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  they were talking about the psychic hotline.
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  I was like, oh, there was like $1.99 a minute and I I knew I'd
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  have been dead. My parents would have killed me
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  if I made a call like do you. Think there's still 1900 phone
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  numbers? Now that the Internet is a
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  really good question, I'm super curious.
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  I did some research. Thank goodness.
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  And it's not it's not. Well, there might still be
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  numbers, but you still can pay by the minute for psychic
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  ratings. And because I had been doing
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  other research, you know how the Google Spy is on you, It popped
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  up, this thing about fake psychics.
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  Don't, don't get stuck by fake psychics.
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  Go through this psychic network. Oh, there's a network.
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  Yes, that are they're. Weird.
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  Vetted. They're vetted, yeah.
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  And that's great. How do you pass a psychic test?
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  Now I really want to know. I haven't I OK, so I don't know
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  all of that, but I do have some information about the how how
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  all of that works for the phone psychic call line.
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  I've listened to some podcasts on phone psychics.
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  On phone specific, there's a podcast about phone sites.
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  No, no. No, like Miss Cleo.
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  Other than ours today, miss. Cleo, right, OK.
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  And so they had like a couple of people who did that work and
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  they talked about it. And one of the things that so
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  they would get paid an hourly wage, but once their hour was
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  up, a lot of times what would happen is they would just
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  disconnect the call because like I made my $15.
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  Oh. Yeah, so they would try to just
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  hold you on and they would do things while they were on the
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  line with folks that would be like, oh, they would kind of buy
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  time like, hmm, I'm feeling the spirits and stuff like that.
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  So to just pull out the time, today's version, So that was
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  like $1.99, two, 99, whatever it was.
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  But today's version through whatever this app is.
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  And you know what? I.
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  That's where the real psychics are.
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  Well, they're better. Yeah, yeah.
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  Don't, don't find the fake ones. They say they aren't the fake go
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  to. The go to the network the.
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  Psychic network. Anyhow, anywhere from $4.00 a
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  minute whoa to what I saw on the top one when I was kind of done
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  scrolling $23 a minute. That's the premium level.
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  Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't know it.
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  Must be I, I. Well, that was like, like I
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  said, that was the a minute, $23 a minute.
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  That's a lot. For someone to give you the most
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  vaguest information. What if it's specific?
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  I mean. You haven't tried it.
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  Should I have done that research?
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  No, really. What if it was like freakishly
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  accurate though? So that's but they never are.
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  They're purposefully vague enough.
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  It's that's, that's the entire point of it.
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  And from what I was learning from the psychic network, people
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  who were actually did the job there was, you know, they give
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  you like, hey, these are some vague scenarios and to get a
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  job, they're really all you had to do was be able to read from a
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  script if needed. OK, that was it.
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  Sure. And follow the outline of delay,
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  delay, delay, delay. So a lot of people now, if you
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  can take it as an entertainment item, that's one thing, you
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  know, but I mean, a lot of people really do put a lot of
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  stock in it. I remember also I never, so I
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  never called any of those, but I remember another thing that was
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  big and I used to actually watch the show because I want to
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  believe in these things. You know that about me.
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  I really do. I say I want to, I just don't.
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  I'm just I'm a person who has a hard time finding the truth.
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  But I remember we would watch the show when we first moved
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  into our apartment. We would watch Crossing Over
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  with John Edwards. Crossing over and that was it.
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  And he would stand and there'd be an audience and he'd sit
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  there and he'd be like, and he would say that he was channeling
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  dead people. And he would say, I, I'm feeling
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  an older man with an A And like, the audience had, you know, like
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  there were 200 people in the audience.
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  And he'd be like, you know, just waiting to see if anyone perked
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  up. And he'd be like, yeah, I'm
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  feeling it over there. You do you have a older person
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  with the letter A. And they'd be like, oh, yeah, my
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  aunt or uncle, whoever. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. And so then he'd be like, yes,
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  yes. And.
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  And they're dead. And they're like, yes.
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  And, you know, they, they really, you know, he'd always be
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  like, you know, they're proud of you or they love you.
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  It was never anything what someone didn't want to hear, you
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  know? OK, I don't remember enough of
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  the details, but well, I remember watching the show.
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  Yeah, because again. There was also a good dramatized
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  TV show that we watched back then.
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  Oh yeah. Our cap, Yeah, yeah.
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  What was that called? Medium.
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  The medium. Oh yeah, and she was, she was a
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  psychic that worked for the cops, yes.
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  Or FBI or something. Yeah, yeah, I think it was the
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  police. Then she would help.
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  But she was the real deal. I mean, yeah, according to the
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  TV show, yeah. Yeah.
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  Well, and for a long time, I think like the 70s and 80s and
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  maybe in some of the 90s, they did actually use a lot of
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  psychic folks. However, I mean, there have been
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  plenty of times where DNA has proven that they weren't
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  actually accurate. But I mean, they were, they were
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  just seeing throwing stones, you know, I mean, just whatever
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  we're going to catch, we're going to catch.
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  And sometimes they're right. But but for this show, I had,
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  like I said, I've been thinking about John Edwards.
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  And another one that was out there for a while that one of my
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  sisters loved was Sylvia Browne. Do you remember?
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  Her Was she the one that was on the radio sometimes I.
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  Don't know if she was ever on the radio.
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  She probably. Was she like local?
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  No, no, she was I. Feel like that was did she, was
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  she? I think she was on like KDWB the
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  radio station. No, that was Spivey, Gary
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  Spivey. Yeah, yeah, I feel like, well,
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  maybe, maybe every once in a while anyway.
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  Maybe she was, I don't know, but my sister really liked her and
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  she would also do the cold or warm readings.
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  And and since those shows existed on TV, they've proven
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  that a lot of the like one-on-one interviews with
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  people, they had a lot of information.
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  So, you know, they were there was a lot of cheating going on
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  with what they already knew when they were telling people.
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  And one Well, well, I think it's OK for entertainment purposes.
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  The problem is so many people do take it, like if they're going
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  into it, they're taking it personally, yeah.
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  OK, so like, of course, but that's why they're there.
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  I mean, that's like people that go to see hypnotist or go to,
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  you know, like Freer or, you know, they're, you know, like
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  there's a bunch of things that people go to because it's what
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  makes them feel like they're going to get the answers that
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  they need. Yeah, but when it goes into the
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  area of being hurtful, right, Like then I think that's that's
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  a lot of times it does if you're, if you're parting with
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  money or you're giving information that isn't true so
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  that you can share that. Like Sylvia Browne told some
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  woman at some point whose daughter was dead and
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  granddaughter was missing, she's like, Yep, they're both dead. 4
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  years later they found the granddaughter.
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  So Sylvia Brown just had a lot of legal troubles as Miss Cleo
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  had a lot of legal troubles. Yeah, what's up with John
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  Edwards nowadays? I don't know.
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  He I was looking to see if he had any lawsuits out there and
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  there was nothing that was public, but I was, I was doing
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  deep. I did absolutely 0.
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  Miss Cleo, after she was done and got all of her lawsuits, do
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  you know what she did for a bit? I don't.
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  She did voice over, not voice over work.
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  She did voice work for a a a car dealership in Florida.
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  Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
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  Yeah, and she was very beloved by the time she died.
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  Like she had many people. She was apparently a really good
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  person. She just kind of got caught up
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  in, you know, wanting, wanting the money in.
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  You can't. I don't know.
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  Again, I don't necessarily blame people for doing things that if
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  you can really, really know and understand that it's
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  entertainment purposes. But there are so many stories
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  about people are just getting built out of like hundreds of
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  thousands of dollars. Stop it.
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  No, there is. $1.99 an hour. No, these a lot of times be like
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  those personal psychics where you go in personal psychics
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  where you go in and they'll say I'll remove a curse from you or
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  something like that. And then they say.
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  That's witchcraft. No, it's still.
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  That's a different podcast. Well, okay, I won't go too far.
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  Aren't removing curses. Let's be real, that's clearly
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  the witches. Okay, I will hold off on that
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  because that was also very interesting to listen and.
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  We're for sure having a witchcraft.
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  I know we are, but I don't think that that's going to be, it
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  won't. Who knows, who knows, we might
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  want to talk about it, we might not.
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  It's still one of those things that I have interest in.
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  The other thing though, is like with psychics, where people will
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  be like, I have psychic phenomena or whatever.
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  I was doing again, my research to catch the frauds because
• 19:21
  really I just want to know about you.
• 19:23
  Yeah, I wanna know about the frauds and see what kind of
• 19:25
  stands. They're running.
• 19:26
  How sad and cynical. I did try to find real ones.
• 19:30
  Guess what? Oh, you only found people that
• 19:32
  were sharing? But I gotta tell you about this
• 19:34
  one. Did you know that Bob Barker
• 19:35
  helped expose? Listen.
• 19:37
  A lie. What did he expose?
• 19:39
  There was a guy who said that he was going to move a, A page of
• 19:47
  the like Yellow Pages with his mind.
• 19:50
  And he sat there and he like thought and, you know, and, and
• 19:54
  the, the page moved And another thing was turning a pencil on a
• 19:57
  table. He thought, sat there and he
• 19:58
  thought, and there was this guy. So Bob Barker had did not have
• 20:03
  Gray hair. So this is a while ago.
• 20:04
  It wasn't on the price is right. I don't know what the name of
• 20:06
  the show is. I want to, I want to link this
• 20:08
  video to us because it's super funny.
• 20:11
  But there was this guy who had said, I don't know, I don't know
• 20:13
  for like 20 years. At that point, he had had a
• 20:16
  check in his pocket. For $10,000 for the first person
• 20:20
  who could prove that they were doing like psychic things so
• 20:24
  that he couldn't disprove them, right.
• 20:26
  So the guy gets there. He's like, I got this check for
• 20:29
  $10,000 if you can pass my test. And so the guy was sitting there
• 20:35
  trying to move the phone book with his mind and he's like, I
• 20:38
  got it. I'm going to, I'm going to put
• 20:40
  some Styrofoam down because I think you're blowing it.
• 20:43
  And he's like, I'm not blowing it.
• 20:44
  I'm not, I promise. I promise.
• 20:45
  And the dude stood there for a long time and he's like, Nope,
• 20:48
  the Styrofoam is messing with the energy with the lights, and
• 20:51
  I can't do it. It was hilarious.
• 20:54
  So I want to link that now. Don't go too far down that guy.
• 20:57
  'S that's also not psychic, that's telekinesis.
• 21:00
  Well OK so don't go too far down the rabbit hole of this guy but
• 21:04
  look at that video because it's funny and I will link it for
• 21:06
  sure. So I don't know what are your
• 21:09
  experiences or thoughts about. Well, I'm just glad to have a
• 21:13
  moment to speak. Wow.
• 21:14
  So I'm excited about it. I don't know.
• 21:16
  You did far too much research. You also didn't complete your
• 21:20
  story about your fascination with the occult.
• 21:23
  When you no, I know that's OK. But you don't have to do that.
• 21:27
  Right, there's a. Lot there, I mean.
• 21:29
  So here's my thoughts on psychics in general.
• 21:33
  Is that because they are general and typically not too specific
• 21:38
  and the people that go to them go to them because they want
• 21:41
  that experience, that it's probably good and mostly
• 21:47
  harmless. There's certainly, I mean,
• 21:50
  humans have been taking advantage of other humans in all
• 21:53
  arenas of all of life for all of time.
• 21:56
  And it's not just that it's sports, it's knowledge.
• 21:59
  It's like people, you know, bet somebody when you actually know
• 22:02
  the answer, but you somehow manipulate them to say the other
• 22:04
  side. That's normal.
• 22:06
  I mean, there's there's always somebody tricking somebody into
• 22:09
  something to part them with their goods for the enrichment
• 22:13
  of themselves. So I don't think that psychics
• 22:15
  fall into a special category of dark and gloomy.
• 22:19
  I mean, I think for what it's worth it, it might be that, you
• 22:21
  know, some of these folks are like, you know, the people who
• 22:26
  sold, quote UN quote, snake oil in the frontier time when it was
• 22:31
  really just like, you know, sugar water or something.
• 22:34
  And so, but I also think that much like a lot of the things
• 22:41
  that are outside of the norm of culture of what's accepted,
• 22:45
  there is a realm of like a more spiritually motivated type of
• 22:51
  person who's maybe more connected emotionally and
• 22:54
  socially to people around them. And I don't think it's far
• 22:59
  fetched to say that they might be doing this not for personal
• 23:03
  gain, but because they feel compelled to do something good.
• 23:06
  And they believe that they do have an ability.
• 23:10
  Maybe they don't find themselves to be powerful or anything, but
• 23:13
  you know, that they have this ability.
• 23:15
  And far be it for me to take that from them because I found
• 23:19
  most of the articles on the Internet that said they were
• 23:21
  charlatans. I mean, who are we to know that
• 23:25
  all of them are bad because there's been a few bad apples
• 23:27
  publicly. That's like saying that like
• 23:29
  like all people who invest in the stock market are taking
• 23:34
  advantage of people because the, you know, like they're doing a
• 23:37
  Ponzi scheme. No, like there's some bad people
• 23:40
  that enrich themselves at the cost of others, but there's also
• 23:44
  lots of good that's done. So like, I think that for for
• 23:49
  the most part, I would like to believe that people in in any
• 23:56
  sort of work where they're working with people who want to
• 24:00
  talk about their energy and who want to talk about their past
• 24:05
  lives or they want to talk about the tarot cards or any of that
• 24:11
  stuff like here, if that's what you're into, who am I to say
• 24:15
  that any of this is wrong? Because to your point, the
• 24:17
  answers are typically sort of vague.
• 24:20
  So somebody, now somebody could be real specific and tell you
• 24:23
  you're gonna have three kids. Yeah.
• 24:24
  But somebody could also say something vague like to a young
• 24:27
  person and say when you get older, you'll have a
• 24:30
  relationship with somebody who will have a bunch of money.
• 24:34
  Like the odds of that happening are actually sort of decent.
• 24:37
  Cuz when you're young, you're broke, right?
• 24:39
  So it's something like that like or you'll you'll meet a
• 24:43
  challenging time in the next year that will test your mettle
• 24:47
  and you'll come out of it a stronger person.
• 24:50
  Like sure. Is that vague?
• 24:51
  Is it also accurate? Probably like So what?
• 24:55
  That's that. Telling a fortune, I understand
• 24:57
  that, but my point is that that typically is what happens and.
• 25:01
  Yes, I agree. And like they get specific about
• 25:03
  generalities, so. What explain this concept?
• 25:08
  Well, it's kind of like what I just said, like they'll say
• 25:10
  like, you know, it's a generality would be when you're
• 25:12
  older, you will have more money. But specifically put like a time
• 25:15
  frame or a person next to it so that there's like, you know,
• 25:19
  there's there's some connection to reality while also leaving
• 25:22
  the possibilities sort of open. So for me, it's like, I don't
• 25:26
  know, like I'm not opposed to the idea that there are people
• 25:32
  who aren't doing this to be underhanded.
• 25:34
  And that if there are people who feel and believe, and I have met
• 25:40
  and known, well, many people like this who feel and believe
• 25:45
  in the truest version of reality for them, that they have a
• 25:49
  connection to another plane or a spirituality that gives them
• 25:54
  some sight or vision, who am I to contest that?
• 25:58
  Because I'm just being a cynic. I'm not doing this based on
• 26:02
  anything that I have the concrete facts.
• 26:04
  It's like, well, facts change over time.
• 26:08
  I don't know use Galileo as an example.
• 26:11
  OK, well, that's. Right.
• 26:12
  OK, so science, yeah, evolution happens to all things.
• 26:16
  I mean, it happens to the social world, it happens to the
• 26:18
  scientific world. So to say that we know all
• 26:21
  things based on what we currently know is sort of
• 26:24
  ridiculous because we only know what we know now.
• 26:28
  Right, but the point of a psychic is that they know all
• 26:34
  things like in in the future what I'm.
• 26:36
  Saying is maybe they do, and your limitation is that you
• 26:39
  believe they can't because you only know what you know.
• 26:41
  Now it's. OK, this has gotten far.
• 26:45
  Oh, far deeper in a concept of what I can know in the future, I
• 26:50
  know now. Why don't you know the future?
• 26:53
  Because I'm not a psychic. Well, maybe.
• 26:56
  Maybe I. Will be and you know, I actually
• 26:58
  do think at some point maybe we could go deeper into some of
• 27:02
  those other abilities that you were talking about like.
• 27:05
  Do it on another episode, I'm ready.
• 27:07
  Yeah, I mean, but I think overall the concept of going to
• 27:10
  a person and saying tell me my future, you know?
• 27:14
  I just, I still think that maybe they're telling you the truth.
• 27:17
  Well, it just, there's so many interesting stories out there.
• 27:21
  And I also find it kind of interesting too.
• 27:24
  When you go like any place that's super touristy, there'll
• 27:28
  always be a psychic like, you know, psychic tables and just
• 27:31
  come on in because it's, you know.
• 27:34
  We've seen a lot of them in New Orleans.
• 27:36
  And Salem. And Salem.
• 27:38
  There's one, I mean, there's there's a few I can think of in,
• 27:42
  you know, the metro area where it's like, you know, they have
• 27:45
  this little closet or something like that.
• 27:46
  And I don't know. I don't know.
• 27:48
  Well, so, Luke, let me ask you a question.
• 27:52
  Oh, and now, the moment we have all been waiting for in this
• 27:58
  corner, claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs with eyes that just
• 28:03
  won't stop boring into my soul, is my lovely wife Amber.
• 28:09
  In this corner we have Luke, who is sporting a brand new Arguing
• 28:17
  Ever After T-shirt. Look at that, people.
• 28:20
  Look at that. If you're just listening, I want
• 28:23
  you to know that we have a few T-shirts and we're real excited
• 28:26
  about attempting to sell them. Yes, yes.
• 28:28
  And he brought that here today to help him out with I can't
• 28:35
  read the future, but I can read the past.
• 28:38
  Let's have you read the past. Luke has three wins and 12345
• 28:46
  losses. I just.
• 28:47
  Think and one tie. I want to just point out how
• 28:50
  messed up this is because at one point I had four wins.
• 28:52
  That's because the votes weren't finalized.
• 28:56
  Now we have just this time because of that, because it was
• 29:00
  one of those things where we got some more votes.
• 29:02
  We're not counting. We we change the time frame on
• 29:05
  what we're counting because if you do that math, 3 + 5 + 1 is 9
• 29:10
  and we are on episode what, 11. So 10 is still out there.
• 29:15
  Yeah, we're not counting anything on that yet, so.
• 29:19
  Maybe maybe episode 10 will bring me bring me 5 to 4 yeah.
• 29:22
  And then maybe this one, maybe that maybe my people out there
• 29:25
  that are listening, that are, that are connected to the
• 29:28
  spiritual realm, that believe in the possibilities of things that
• 29:32
  aren't just hard concrete facts in Amber's mind, maybe they'll
• 29:35
  vote for me. Maybe we'll see.
• 29:37
  We'll see. But Luke, let me ask you a
• 29:39
  question. OK, frame it.
• 29:41
  Frame it. Let's go.
• 29:43
  Is psychic ability real? For sure, absolutely.
• 29:49
  I mean, I've made quite a few points.
• 29:52
  I'm certain that I have more in the banks to let people know
• 29:56
  about. So I think there's a big
• 29:58
  difference between asking a question, is psychic ability
• 30:03
  real? And are psychics real?
• 30:06
  So my most personal connection with something like this is I
• 30:13
  myself, and I think most people I've talked to like at some
• 30:16
  point have had a dream, which is your life subconscious, which is
• 30:20
  scientifically proven. While you're dreaming, your
• 30:23
  subconscious creates little stories in your brain.
• 30:26
  Yeah. And sometimes you don't remember
• 30:29
  them and sometimes you do. And sometimes they make
• 30:30
  absolutely no sense. Most of the time, most of the
• 30:33
  time. And sometimes they do make
• 30:35
  sense. And I have had premonition
• 30:38
  dreams that I have woke up and like known something was going
• 30:43
  to happen and it did. And sometimes these involve just
• 30:46
  me. Sometimes they involve other
• 30:48
  people. I mean, the number isn't huge.
• 30:50
  And it was when I was younger. And I think that part of that
• 30:52
  might be like, like younger people are typically in a more
• 30:56
  creative phase of life. So that could be part of it.
• 31:00
  But I would say like, maybe I don't.
• 31:02
  I'm not great with memory. I would say 2, maybe 3 dreams I
• 31:06
  had where like I had a specific thing that was going to happen
• 31:08
  and it did not that it was like consequential, like, like dude's
• 31:13
  going to get hit by a train or like it's not something crazy
• 31:15
  like that. But you know, like maybe it was
• 31:18
  somebody's going to get together with somebody else or break up
• 31:21
  with somebody else or somebody's going to, I don't know, get an
• 31:25
  award for some class they're in. Like, I don't know, stuff like
• 31:28
  that. That's what you dreamt about.
• 31:30
  I'd like I said, I don't remember the specifics and
• 31:33
  that's not fair. But I do remember having these
• 31:35
  dreams, having conversations about them with people that were
• 31:38
  involved, and then having it come true.
• 31:40
  And they're like, that's crazy. And then they would be like, I
• 31:43
  also had that happen to me. And I think you even said you've
• 31:47
  had that happen to you, right? Sure, however.
• 31:52
  You wanna hold your bullets? No, no, I'll tell.
• 31:54
  I'll tell you, however, is. It gonna be that you won this
• 31:57
  podcast because I swear to God if you do that.
• 32:02
  However, I think that I mean God, even a broken clock is
• 32:07
  right twice a day. Okay, here we go.
• 32:09
  And your brain is gonna make things that kind of make some
• 32:12
  sense, right? Like it's just, I mean, there's
• 32:15
  at some point your dreams are going to make a little bit of
• 32:18
  sense and it's picking up on all the cues that are around you.
• 32:20
  And again, right, Like odds are that someone would win an award
• 32:25
  and you're false. No.
• 32:26
  No. Odds are high.
• 32:27
  Absolutely false. Stop it.
• 32:30
  You can't. You can't take away the reality
• 32:33
  that I have lived. I'm not.
• 32:35
  Saying. Just like using some straw man
• 32:38
  argument to disqualify the reality that I have literally
• 32:41
  had premonition dreams that have come true and you're like Oh
• 32:43
  well just cuz it happened it happened.
• 32:45
  Well, whatever. I don't think that this is a
• 32:48
  fair thing. I imagine most of our to.
• 32:51
  Like my response? I imagine most of our viewers
• 32:53
  and listeners won't either. You don't have to like my
• 32:56
  response, OK? It is my response to what you
• 32:58
  were saying. It's not my overall question and
• 33:00
  you wanted me to actually talk to what you were saying?
• 33:02
  I was hoping you were gonna have something more valuable than
• 33:05
  just shooting me down. No, I just was telling you
• 33:07
  that's how I feel about it. Yes, I have.
• 33:09
  I have had dreams that I felt were premonitions, but they
• 33:13
  again. So you just disqualify your own
• 33:17
  dreams. I choose not to disqualify my
• 33:19
  dreams. That happened and that became
• 33:21
  reality also. That was one of the examples of
• 33:24
  personal connection or something like this.
• 33:26
  I have also had and this you're going to make the same
• 33:29
  ridiculous argument like, oh, you knew about the person.
• 33:31
  Of course I did. But I have also had like like
• 33:36
  feelings like that. Maybe it's just intuitions are
• 33:40
  the right word about like whether somebody I knew like
• 33:45
  needed, like they were maybe not like in danger, like they're
• 33:49
  going to get hurt, but like they needed something like connection
• 33:54
  or they needed to like get out of a situation they were in.
• 33:58
  And not this is something that they would have like recently
• 34:01
  shared with me. So I'm just remembering it.
• 34:03
  But like having a genuine intuition that somebody is like,
• 34:06
  OK, there's something going on and I need to reach out and we
• 34:09
  can talk through this thing. And I've had that happen to me a
• 34:12
  bunch of times and again, have been right.
• 34:16
  So like, so back to this, it's like where you draw the line.
• 34:20
  So is psychic ability real? I think the answer is yes,
• 34:23
  because I think it's a broader brush than just are you Miss
• 34:26
  Cleo and is she real? So I don't.
• 34:29
  And so I think that you just want to jump in and bulldoze me.
• 34:33
  So, so I think that that yes, and I think to varying strength,
• 34:38
  like much like, you know, if you say OK, like can a, can a like
• 34:41
  look at the strongman competitions, can a man lift
• 34:44
  1000 lbs? And I actually don't watch them.
• 34:46
  So I don't know. I feel like, I feel like if you
• 34:49
  asked that question 20 years ago, the factual and correct
• 34:52
  answer would have been no because the world record was
• 34:54
  £750. Not had steroids yet?
• 34:57
  Oh my goodness, they didn't have steroids 20 years ago, say. 20
• 35:00
  years. I'm sorry, I thought you said
• 35:01
  100 years ago. Anyways, so it's like that.
• 35:06
  So I think that could there be somebody who is like has a
• 35:10
  premonition dream or a intuitive feeling about someone else?
• 35:16
  Yes. Do I think that makes them a
• 35:18
  psychic? No.
• 35:19
  But do I think that there could be people who are more in tune
• 35:22
  with that side of themselves and of whatever it is that empowers
• 35:26
  that sort of thought, whether it's the subconscious, which is
• 35:29
  real and factual, or whether it's something else.
• 35:32
  I'm not ready to just dispense with the idea that all
• 35:35
  spirituality is incorrect. I mean, look at all the people
• 35:38
  that say that either. Well.
• 35:40
  Whoa. For many.
• 35:41
  People, that's where the connection comes from.
• 35:43
  So, and I'm not, and it is, it is part of many spiritual
• 35:48
  beliefs. And I'm not saying that that's
• 35:50
  the challenge you made or that you should have to argue against
• 35:52
  it, but right. But I think that many people
• 35:55
  would have this psychic ability in differing levels of strength
• 35:59
  based on how they feel and what circles they run in.
• 36:02
  So, and I think they could even be more accurate than and
• 36:05
  intentionally accurate than somebody who has an intuitive
• 36:07
  feeling or a dream that points them in a certain direction.
• 36:11
  I'm not that person, and maybe you're not that person clearly,
• 36:15
  but I would not be prepared to say that out of the 8 billion
• 36:19
  plus people on planet Earth, there aren't a whole bunch of
• 36:21
  people out there with some sort of very real and strong ability
• 36:24
  to tap into that and utilize psychic ability.
• 36:27
  Psychic ability in an effective way.
• 36:29
  Absolutely. That's most of my arguments.
• 36:32
  Psychic ability. OK, has your argument done that?
• 36:35
  I think so. I doubt it you.
• 36:38
  Usually make me come up with something else.
• 36:40
  No, I don't. I won't make you come up with
• 36:41
  anything else. Psychic ability and intuition
• 36:45
  are two different things. So I don't think that that is at
• 36:50
  all. And all that we're discussing
• 36:52
  psychic ability is the ability to tell the future and things
• 36:55
  like that. Intuition is something
• 36:57
  different. Everybody has intuition.
• 36:59
  Nobody doesn't have intuition. Sometimes we have bad intuition,
• 37:02
  sometimes we have good intuition.
• 37:04
  And again, that is based on I, my brain is going to work out
• 37:08
  probabilities of things that are going to happen.
• 37:10
  And this is what I see on the other side now with your
• 37:13
  scenario where you're like, someone needs help or whatever,
• 37:17
  100% it makes sense that Someone Like You would have that
• 37:22
  intuition of I need to talk to this person because that's
• 37:26
  something that you care about, right?
• 37:28
  Like it makes sense to me where you would have that, you know,
• 37:31
  I, I, but that's not psychic ability.
• 37:34
  That's just, you know, for whatever reason, this person
• 37:37
  popped to mind. You know, I don't think that
• 37:39
  that's the same as psychic ability, psychic ability.
• 37:43
  So I think that that was a stretch on your argument.
• 37:46
  Psychic ability is taking. Just want to disqualify my
• 37:50
  argument. No, that was just part of your
• 37:52
  argument, which is not what we're discussing intuition.
• 37:55
  We could have a whole another episode on intuition and whether
• 37:58
  you know, you have good or bad intuition, but psychic ability
• 38:01
  to me is a sham because we have not found again, scientifically
• 38:11
  reasonable psychics. The people when they're like
• 38:12
  Nostradamus, stuff like that, again, they're playing the odds.
• 38:16
  It's a long game. You know, however many hundreds
• 38:18
  of years ago this dude wrote a story and you're like, cool, I
• 38:20
  can match this up with this. It's what you're looking for.
• 38:22
  It's what you want to find, You know, real psychic ability.
• 38:27
  If it truly existed in today's world, why wouldn't they just do
• 38:31
  something like by winning lottery ticket?
• 38:34
  If you have the ability, why wouldn't you do things like
• 38:37
  that? Well, I mean, since you asked
• 38:40
  this a question, I'm just going to throw this out there.
• 38:42
  People that claim to be psychics, whether they're real,
• 38:46
  whether they're real or not, I don't think any of them claim to
• 38:49
  have the ability to read the numbers of the lottery.
• 38:52
  They claim things like with the dead or tapping into the Yeah
• 38:57
  astral plane or, you know, that's totally different than
• 39:00
  reading the lottery. Numbers.
• 39:02
  Well, the OR. If you're telling the future
• 39:04
  from speaking to the dead, it's really inconvenient that they
• 39:07
  won't give you that information. Now there was a guy.
• 39:10
  Inconvenient ghosts, right? How dare you?
• 39:13
  Super inconvenient. So you're just saying if a ghost
• 39:16
  comes to you, you want to be like, don't, don't tell me you
• 39:18
  miss me? What are the lottery numbers?
• 39:20
  I would be like, what do you got for me?
• 39:23
  Why not prove to me that you're a ghost?
• 39:25
  You know, prove to me was something that is concrete.
• 39:29
  Like this is what I need. Concrete information, not
• 39:32
  information that's vague and could be utilized for anything.
• 39:37
  I am gonna go into something very briefly about also when I
• 39:40
  was younger that had to do with suggestibility of the listener
• 39:44
  for a psychic, right When I was younger, one of the things I
• 39:47
  really liked was or I bought into because I, I get I wanted
• 39:52
  to dissect it. This is a lot of what my things
• 39:54
  were. I wanted to dissect it,
• 39:55
  understand it, so I can have it, you know, tarot.
• 39:59
  The tarot cards, the. Tarot cards, and I thought maybe
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  we'd have a whole episode on it, but I don't know that we can
• 40:04
  because you and I have discussed the tarot cards well.
• 40:06
  Just leave enough of it on the table that maybe we.
• 40:08
  Could at some. Well, anyhow, so I bought tarot
• 40:10
  cards and I learned about how to read tarot cards, which was in
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  my understanding. It was very vague on purpose.
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  And I would have people a couple times, a few times I read some
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  tarot for some people and they did things like bought me a jolt
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  and a cookie or whatever it was at the coffee shop, you know,
• 40:28
  and they were like, this is so accurate.
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  How do you know? And I'm like, the cards told me,
• 40:35
  you know, and but it was so vague and I knew, I knew it
• 40:38
  would just work. And so I.
• 40:39
  Want to read your tarot? You want to read my tarot?
• 40:42
  Or read tarot cards about for you about I'm.
• 40:44
  Pretty sure we did that back in high school.
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  I bet we got a set a tarot card somewhere in this house.
• 40:48
  We might. We might, yeah.
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  So anyhow, I'm just saying like, like I know from that end, from
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  the con end. So you know how to be a con.
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  I'm telling you that it's all con.
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  Congratulations, you're a con artist.
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  It's all cons is what I'm telling you.
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  Like it's such a vague thing that it couldn't.
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  Who wouldn't appreciate that? Yep, that's happened to me.
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  Oh, I have an opportunity coming up.
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  Who doesn't have an opportunity to come up?
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  Oh, I have an end. Oh, who doesn't have an end?
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  You know, a relationship problem.
• 41:17
  Who doesn't have a relationship problem?
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  You know all of these these things, they're so vague on
• 41:22
  purpose. Now, I don't mind the people do
• 41:24
  it for entertainment purposes. I really don't.
• 41:27
  I think get your get your bag, get your bag.
• 41:30
  It's on people a lot of times. Sometimes people want to be
• 41:34
  scammed a little. I really think that you know,
• 41:36
  they know what they're buying into, you know, and they do it
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  anyhow. It's like the three card Monte.
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  You know you're never going to win it, but why not I?
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  Don't think people want to go to a psychic.
• 41:45
  And you might be right about little games, but I don't think,
• 41:48
  I don't think people are putting up money going to a psychic.
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  They can. This will be fun.
• 41:52
  They're gonna lie to. Me, they tell you all the time
• 41:54
  is entertainment only they have to, but I love.
• 41:56
  Have to legally. And why?
• 41:59
  Because it's a shame. That's just to suggest that the
• 42:02
  law is always right. I mean, again, that's a bit
• 42:05
  silly. And the law is always changing,
• 42:07
  much like the facts are always changing.
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  I mean. Pluto.
• 42:10
  That's another factor always changing.
• 42:13
  And we won't get into some of that.
• 42:14
  Think about that. We know about the universe and
• 42:16
  stars, and then we get a better telescope and we're like, oh, we
• 42:19
  actually didn't know anything about dark matter.
• 42:21
  This is I. Understand the mechanics, all
• 42:23
  these things. Yes, I understand all of that,
• 42:25
  but when it comes to psychics, actual psychics, I'm telling you
• 42:30
  everything I did in my research in my own life and in all of all
• 42:35
  of the research, I did anything where they're like, hey, this,
• 42:38
  this person, OK, there's a couple people who did some good
• 42:40
  things with it, right? Don't get me wrong, not ever a
• 42:42
  lot of them did good things with it, but suggestibility is
• 42:45
  absolutely a thing. And I do believe in self
• 42:48
  fulfilling prophecies. And if you see it sometimes
• 42:51
  you'll make it come true. Didn't mean it was written in
• 42:55
  stone. It's because you work towards
• 42:56
  that goal. Manifesting we're talking about.
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  In some ways, I mean, I don't want to give it too much, but
• 43:02
  yeah. I enjoy manifesting.
• 43:04
  Yes, but so. But that is not psychic ability,
• 43:07
  that's just I saw it, I wanted it, someone confirmed it for me
• 43:10
  so it became a thing. Confirmation bias is huge.
• 43:13
  Sounds like you got quite a bit. I do.
• 43:16
  Confirmation bias into the negative and the it's fake.
• 43:19
  Yep, I can't wait until you're able to listen to somebody tell
• 43:23
  you a very personal story about how a psychic was right about
• 43:25
  their life and not be a dink about.
• 43:28
  It be a dink about it because it's their belief and it's their
• 43:31
  experience. OK, great.
• 43:32
  And I told. Your dink face is strong right
• 43:34
  now. I don't mind and I don't like I
• 43:36
  don't ever say whatever you, but if you believe it, it's true,
• 43:40
  right? Like it's sure.
• 43:41
  Who am I to say it's not true if it's true for?
• 43:44
  You it's point real the facts for those people who believe it
• 43:47
  is their reality and their facts yes, and so therefore you lose
• 43:52
  the no I. Don't lose.
• 43:53
  I don't lose. The question was.
• 43:55
  Sorry, that was a cheap shot. You, you really don't.
• 43:58
  He's, I'm, I'm just going to say I think the amount of losses
• 44:02
  that you have is making you a little more aggressive than
• 44:05
  usual, but it's OK, I handle it. Like the idea that I can handle
• 44:10
  it are real. I get I liked the idea I.
• 44:14
  Love witches and all of it. I'm telling.
• 44:16
  You I, I'm. Going to lose all of these
• 44:19
  debates when we have them because everyone's going to be
• 44:21
  like this dude's out of his gourd.
• 44:23
  You want the aliens? Well, you know, I really.
• 44:26
  Have the Pentagon on my side. I think I'm going to also lose
• 44:29
  some of these because people want to believe things and
• 44:32
  sometimes they just again. Belief is powerful.
• 44:34
  Belief is very powerful. My point is when I'm looking at
• 44:39
  things and it doesn't make me better or worse than anybody
• 44:41
  else, so I'm throwing that out there.
• 44:43
  I want concrete proof that doesn't make me better or worse.
• 44:47
  What's in your heart makes it proven right or wrong to you,
• 44:50
  and that's absolutely fine for me.
• 44:53
  I'm saying psychics are not real.
• 44:57
  And for me to answer the question of is psychic ability
• 45:00
  real? The answer is 100%.
• 45:04
  No, you're wrong. You're.
• 45:05
  Wrong. You just gotta lean into it a
• 45:07
  little bit, open your heart and believe.
• 45:09
  So I'm looking into the future, but I'm also looking into the
• 45:14
  past. Yeah, do it.
• 45:15
  By the time this episode is airing.
• 45:19
  Oh yes. We will have already had our
• 45:24
  live show. Wow, your psychic ability is
• 45:29
  fantastic because that's scheduled for Saturday.
• 45:31
  So yeah, when this comes out next Tuesday, your psychic
• 45:35
  ability will have proven yourself right.
• 45:37
  And maybe that means you have proven my argument right.
• 45:40
  Feeling that we did. Oh, are you being vague?
• 45:46
  We did. I think we're going to do great.
• 45:49
  I think there were some. I I know that there were some
• 45:51
  laughs. Yeah, there was definitely some
• 45:54
  music. For sure there's going to have
• 45:56
  been music. There was a vote.
• 45:58
  Oh my goodness. And by the way, I won.
• 46:03
  OK, here's the deal. You're literally proving that
• 46:07
  you're a psychic and so therefore default.
• 46:10
  I win. Anyway, that was cute.
• 46:12
  I thank you. Thank you.
• 46:15
  And I believe that concludes our debate for the evening.
• 46:19
  I don't. We've both made fair cases and a
• 46:21
  good point for our side. Yeah.
• 46:24
  Yeah. And so for me, you know, I think
• 46:26
  that means I win. How did they vote for it this
• 46:31
  Luke? Well, voting in the polls
• 46:34
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• 46:37
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• 46:40
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• 46:43
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• 46:47
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• 46:52
  like even some a little bit of negativity.
• 46:54
  We can handle it. I love it.
• 46:56
  I love it, yeah. Call us out.
• 46:57
  Yeah, like you guys are a couple of.
• 46:59
  Well, maybe we're the charlatans now.
• 47:01
  Yeah, I don't think we are, though.
• 47:03
  We actually are doing a podcast. Yeah, but what happens if it
• 47:06
  didn't happen? I was completely wrong and the
• 47:08
  world ended before this. That would make you incorrect.
• 47:12
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• 47:14
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