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Manhunt For Brian Laundrie: Take Down on the Appalachian Trail · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The man hunt for Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend
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Speaker 1: of Gabbie Petito found dead in Wyoming, goes on this
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Speaker 1: as yet another siding of Brian Laundry emerges. This not
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Speaker 1: too far from the laundry home there in Northport. We
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Speaker 1: now know one place the Feds are hiding out. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at wf LA Cut three
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Speaker 1: forty six. New tonight, a New york Man was allegedly
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Speaker 1: held at gunpoint by federal authorities because he was mistaken
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Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. Not according to a report by the
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Speaker 1: New Yorker. The magazine claimed Severn Beckwith and his partner
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Speaker 1: were in a North Carolina hotel when US Marshalls confronted
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Speaker 1: them with guns drawn. Both were hiking the Appalachian Trail.
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Speaker 1: That's the same area where multiple Brian Laundry sightings have
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Speaker 1: been reported. Well, now we know where some of the
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Speaker 1: fans are. Anyway, the US Marshals are apparently staking out
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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. With
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Speaker 1: another signing in Florida. Literally, as we go to air
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Speaker 1: with video, where is Brian Laundry? How has he managed
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Speaker 1: to elude authorities and escape justice? Who, if anyone is
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Speaker 1: helping him this as a lawsuit has now been filed
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Speaker 1: against Brian Laundry's father, And why are authorities still searching
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Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve again? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: series one eleven with me. Renowned psychiatrists joining me out
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com, Founder director of the Coal Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum at Coldcase Crimes dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet and the
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Speaker 1: start of a new hit on iHeart podcast Bodybags with
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan with me and boy, do we need
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Speaker 1: an expert on this? Lee Reber. He's gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: everything you want to ever know about burner phone sting rays,
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Speaker 1: surreptitious modes of communication, electronically mobile device forensic expert, CEO
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Speaker 1: of Oxygen Forensics, Inc. Author of get Ready Mobile Forensic Investigations,
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Speaker 1: A guide to Evidence collection, analysis and presentation. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: need to sit down now after I read all that
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Speaker 1: Oxygen dot forensic dot com, Lee Reber, you gotta come
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Speaker 1: up with a shorter CV for this program. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we've got Massa's said, special guests joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: w FLATV on the scene and a very special guest,
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Speaker 1: longtime lawyer. And if you don't recognize his name, he
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Speaker 1: may recognize the title Midnight Express where a very young
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Speaker 1: lawyer is on his travels and somehow gets tied up
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Speaker 1: in a Turkish prison with an inmate who miraculously escapes
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Speaker 1: I'm sure through no help from his lawyer, Michael Griffith,
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Speaker 1: who has now gone on to become a renowned and
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Speaker 1: I really mean that international criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith
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Speaker 1: at Michael Griffith Lawyer dot com. Because I'm curious what country,
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Speaker 1: a country that Brian lings you can actually get to
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Speaker 1: that is feasible, such as Mexico, Cuba, Costa Rica. If
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Speaker 1: they are harboring a US fugitive, they helped the fugitive,
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Speaker 1: would they help the US? And how do you actually
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Speaker 1: do that? The mechanics of going deafcom four in another
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Speaker 1: country is laundry? That smart obviously not. But his parents
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Speaker 1: are very smart. First of all, what about the Appalachian
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Speaker 1: Trail takedown. This guy this New York not Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen, Kara, if you could play our cut
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Speaker 1: three forty seven from News Nation Now, there was this
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Speaker 1: guy hiking with his girlfriend about a week and a
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Speaker 1: half ago on the trail. They decided to check into
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Speaker 1: a small hotel for the night. Next thing they know,
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Speaker 1: they say they're asleep, there's a pounding on the door
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Speaker 1: and it's the US Marshals with their guns drawn. They
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Speaker 1: handcuffed the man. They believed he was Brian Laundry. They
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Speaker 1: say they got three or four different calls are reporting
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Speaker 1: that it may have been Brian Laundry. They did a
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Speaker 1: fingerprint check right there on the spot and realized it
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Speaker 1: wasn't him. So that's one thing I'm learning, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: is that they are doing their fingerprints right there on
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Speaker 1: the scene to determine if it's Brian Laundry. So we
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Speaker 1: know one place the FEDS are hiding out showing up
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Speaker 1: once there's the signing of Brian Laundry. Where else are they,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I think they're everywhere. Nancy, I think they
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Speaker 1: are sitting on go that if they have a viable,
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Speaker 1: credible sighting, they're gonna hit it, and they're gonna hit
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Speaker 1: it with full force with the marshals. You know. Apparently
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Speaker 1: it's believed that Brian Laundry can blend in. Can we
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Speaker 1: just get real for a moment, Michael Griffith. A lot
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Speaker 1: of your clients blend in. They end up across international
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Speaker 1: waters in other countries. And only when they've been living anonymously,
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Speaker 1: anonymously for some period of time and they get busted
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Speaker 1: do you get called in. How do they do it?
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Speaker 1: Michael Griffith, don't name any of your clients, as if
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Speaker 1: you would, but how do they blend in? Well, because
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Speaker 1: they're not Brian Laundry and their pictures have not been
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Speaker 1: in the newspapers, you know. And Nancy, I've been following
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Speaker 1: this case very closely because I live in the Hampton's
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Speaker 1: maybe twenty minutes thirty minutes from where the Potito family,
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you where he's that he's not in
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Speaker 1: a foreign country. There've been reports he went to Freeport
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Speaker 1: or maybe Mexico, you know. And Nancy, nowadays you can't
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Speaker 1: get on a trailways or a great hun buzz without
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Speaker 1: showing identification and order again to a fegn country nowadays,
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Speaker 1: and in fact, I've had cases in Freeport. You have
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Speaker 1: to have a passport, you know. I mean, of course
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Speaker 1: you have, because you and I got into it on
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Speaker 1: a tortola case. If you'll recall that, which I might add,
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Speaker 1: they did it, but go ahead, So why do you
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Speaker 1: But it's not just Brian Laundry, Michael Griffith, and I
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Speaker 1: agree with you. Laundry on his own, No, he's not
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Speaker 1: gonna He can't do it. He can't pull it off.
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Speaker 1: But Brian Laundry, with the help of his parents, who
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Speaker 1: are pretty darn smart, may be able to pull it
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Speaker 1: off well. But they still, you know, weren't their reports
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Speaker 1: that he left his idea at his house to get
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Speaker 1: into a foreign country. Now you need a PC test
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Speaker 1: within seventy two hours, you need a tourist card, and
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Speaker 1: you need a passport. I believe that he's in the
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Speaker 1: United States. I believe that he didn't commit suicide because
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Speaker 1: he did he could have done it in his house.
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Speaker 1: He didn't have to go to a reserve and leave
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Speaker 1: the family car, which could have been vandalized or stolen
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Speaker 1: I believe that he had some help, that he's in
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Speaker 1: a hall, he's in a safe house somewhere, because he
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Speaker 1: obviously doesn't have that much money. That's why you went
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Speaker 1: into Gabby's atm etm. Well, he doesn't have the money,
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Speaker 1: Michael Griffith, but his parents have the money. Hold on, Michael,
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Speaker 1: Mussa said, joining me right there on the same where
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Speaker 1: they are steel searching, crawl to reserve. There's gotta be
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Speaker 1: a reason why, and I want to know why, Massa.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the parents, they are in the beverage industry.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean liquor, I mean juicing smoothies. Don't they
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Speaker 1: service smoothie machines or juicing machines all over? Is that
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Speaker 1: what they do? You know, we're still working to confirm
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Speaker 1: that for ourselves, Nancy, but that is what some of
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Speaker 1: the reporting out there have stated. I can tell you
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Speaker 1: that it's been very quiet at the parents' house in
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Speaker 1: the past couple of days. It just came out to
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Speaker 1: install but appeared to be a doorbell camera. But they're
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Speaker 1: staying in sight. There's not coming out a doorbell cam.
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Speaker 1: They're putting that up, now, why not have it up?
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Speaker 1: When Brian laundry took off, so we would have an
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Speaker 1: idea about when it really was. I said, day late
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Speaker 1: in a dollar short. I guess they're angry about the protesters.
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Speaker 1: I don't blame him for that. Back to Michael Griffith,
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Speaker 1: international criminal lawyer. You're talking about he needs a COVID
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Speaker 1: test and a tourist card and a passport. That's for
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Speaker 1: you and me. Okay, that's what we would need because
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Speaker 1: we're not fugitives. I mean, how you get in the country.
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Speaker 1: You think everybody going back and fourth the Mexican border
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Speaker 1: has a passport and a COVID test. Seriously, no, So
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Speaker 1: once you get there, how do you blend in? I mean,
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Speaker 1: Olivia Newton John's boyfriend has been living in Mexico for
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Speaker 1: what eight or nine years now and we still haven't
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Speaker 1: found him. So what about it, Michael Griffith, When your
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Speaker 1: clients get to these countries, how do they stay under
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Speaker 1: the radar? Remember Ethan Couch, the kid that had affluenza
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Speaker 1: mowed down about five people, killing a car, believing the
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Speaker 1: others paralyzed. The only way he got caught because he's
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Speaker 1: an idiot. He used his own cell phone to order
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Speaker 1: pizza at a five star resort. Hello, of course he's caught.
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Speaker 1: But this guy's parents are not idiots, Michael, they could
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Speaker 1: pull it off. Nancy, let me throw the question back
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Speaker 1: at you. How is he going to get into the
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Speaker 1: foreign country. He can't play it on a plane because
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Speaker 1: you need identification. He can't rent the car because you
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Speaker 1: need identification. The father obviously didn't drive him to Mexico
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Speaker 1: and come back. That's thousands of ours round trip. We'll
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Speaker 1: hold on. That leads me to my next question, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: How much of a lead did Brian Laundry have, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I believe that he was gone, possibly by September eighth,
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Speaker 1: but we know he was gone by the thirteenth. We
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Speaker 1: know that, so he had a major jump on law
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Speaker 1: enforcement as far as I'm concerned. Okay, the sighting that
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Speaker 1: has turned out to be wrong, where the US Marshall
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Speaker 1: rouses some guy out a motel bed on the Appalachian Trail,
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Speaker 1: that's just the beginning. As we are going to air
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Speaker 1: another siding of a guy that looks like Brian Laundry,
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Speaker 1: and there's a video of it, and I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the video over with our friends at Harvey eleven at TMZ.
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Speaker 1: Peddling along a country road purposely out of view on
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Speaker 1: an old rickety bike sounds stolen. Take a look at it.
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Speaker 1: You can look it up at TMZ. And this is
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Speaker 1: in Danellen, Florida, a tiny town three hours north of
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Speaker 1: Laundry's hometown of Northport. On this one, I agree with
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Speaker 1: Michael Griffith. I think that's a lot more possible. What
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Speaker 1: do you know, Joe Scott Morgan, you're joining us from Florida.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell us? Yeah, Nancy, looking at this image,
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Speaker 1: I have to say that it does bear some kind
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Speaker 1: of a resemblance to he's wearing a baseball cap, he
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Speaker 1: has a thin beard, dark sweatshirt, and also kind of
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Speaker 1: khaki looking pants. But the most striking thing about the image, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is the fact that he has on what appears to
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Speaker 1: be a new or newer survival backpack. Is this is
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Speaker 1: not a backpack you would send your kids to school with.
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Speaker 1: This is something that's rather robust. It's thick, it has
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Speaker 1: some heights to it, and you can pack a lot
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Speaker 1: of gear in it. And if you just take a
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Speaker 1: look at the backpack, it almost looks like it's newly
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Speaker 1: purchased Nancy, you know you compared to the bicycle and
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Speaker 1: certainly compared it to his clothes, they look kind of
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Speaker 1: rung out in dingy, not that backpack. And as he
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Speaker 1: is on this bike, it's what they call a sugar
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Speaker 1: sand path. It's a real rickety looks like a farm road.
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Speaker 1: It's got ruts in it. Yeah, you know what that
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. A lot of people are saying, well, he
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Speaker 1: can't ride a bike. That's not true. He's riding at
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Speaker 1: riding through a ton of sugar. That sand is like,
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Speaker 1: it's so soft, Okay to you. Cheryl McCollums joining us
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Speaker 1: for expert Cold Case Crimes dot Org. Cheryl weigh in, Well,
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Speaker 1: the first thing is this is the first video we've had.
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Speaker 1: People said they've seen him without photographs. Then we've had
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Speaker 1: some pretty grainy looking images. This is the first video
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Speaker 1: of a possible fighting. So we're glad for that. Is
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Speaker 1: it him? I mean, I tend to think he's more
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Speaker 1: than three hours north from his parents home after a month,
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Speaker 1: but who knows. And again, every single sighting that is
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Speaker 1: credible should be checked out. Everyone, guys, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about the man hunt going on right now for Brian laundry,
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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, apparently the search is still
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Speaker 1: going on within Carlton Reserve. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Steve Fabian Insight edition Our Cut three four four.
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Speaker 1: A new twist in the search for Brian Laundry as
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Speaker 1: police bring in a key nine cadaver dog trained to
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Speaker 1: find human remains. The three year old black labrador named
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Speaker 1: Diesel searched the vast swamp where it's claimed Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: went hiking and never returned. Now, repeated searches of the
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Speaker 1: forty square mile swamp have so far turned up nothing
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Speaker 1: and reportedly cost one point five million dollars. You know,
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Speaker 1: I love it how it's always thrown out how much
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Speaker 1: a search is going to cost. That's why we pay
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Speaker 1: taxes for things just like this, Because if it was
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Speaker 1: my child and I thought the child was suicidal out
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Speaker 1: in the Millisons Swamp, I would expect the police to
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Speaker 1: go and search bam. So that always put a price
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Speaker 1: tag on it to make people think, hey, it's not
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Speaker 1: worth it. It is worth it. I want to go
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Speaker 1: now to a special guest joining us, but first back
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Speaker 1: to you, Sheryl McCollum, Doctor Angie Michael Griffith, Joe, Scott, Massa,
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Speaker 1: everybody weigh in on this question. I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: any way that Brian Laundry has eluded police this long
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Speaker 1: without the help of his parents. It's got to be
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Speaker 1: his parents, has to be them. There's nobody else that
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Speaker 1: has talked to him. The sister Cassie hasn't taught to him.
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Speaker 1: That Potitos certainly haven't talked to him. According to people
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Speaker 1: that know him, he's kind of a loner. Now we
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Speaker 1: know co workers say he was a quote weirdo. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but all he has his parents, Well,
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Speaker 1: he has to be helping what jump in something? Who
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Speaker 1: is he going to trust? Their circle is very small
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Speaker 1: right now. Of course, he's not reaching out to anybody
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Speaker 1: else to help him, because holy town, what if somebody
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Speaker 1: got to that other person and paid them some money
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Speaker 1: to say where he was. It has to be his
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Speaker 1: parents that are helping him out. Cheryl, I think September
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Speaker 1: eleventh is the most critical date because up until then,
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Speaker 1: if he had lied to everybody that Gabby went on
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Speaker 1: by herself to Yosemite with a friend, fine, September eleventh
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Speaker 1: changes that for Cassie and the parents. That's when law
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Speaker 1: enforcement contacted them. Since September eleventh, not Cassie or her
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Speaker 1: parents have searched for Brian. People love to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: the dad is now joined the search. No, he hasn't.
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Speaker 1: He went over there one day and pointed out a
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Speaker 1: few trails. That's a tour that ain't no search. Michael
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Speaker 1: griffithia I would opine that because of the police scrutiny,
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Speaker 1: the FBI scrutiny, there's no way that the parents are
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Speaker 1: in touch with him or could give them any kind
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Speaker 1: of assets, because, as you know, if you lie to
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Speaker 1: the FBI, that's a crime. They can't be sending him
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Speaker 1: money but by an ATM machine. So the question is
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Speaker 1: how could they be helping him at this point. The
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Speaker 1: only way I think they can help him is the planning,
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Speaker 1: getting in the equipment, getting him burner phones, and getting
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Speaker 1: him to a launch start where he started his journey
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Speaker 1: away from the police. So is he or is he not?
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Speaker 1: In the Appalachian Trail. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: three twenty five. This is our friends at Fox News
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Speaker 1: talking to the Petita Schmidt families and they have an
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Speaker 1: idea where he could be listened I'm not certain, but
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Speaker 1: I would think that he's in an area like the
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Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail or a campground where he can live off
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Speaker 1: the land because he had those skills. I don't know
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Speaker 1: for how long, but he did have those skills. What
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Speaker 1: type of skills did he have. I mean, we don't know.
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, you knew him for a number of years.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like, I mean he was an outdoors Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So he loved camping, so backpack camping, so basically whatever
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Speaker 1: you could put on your on your back and carry
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Speaker 1: into the woods. He and Gabby had done that a
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Speaker 1: few times. They had some trips like that, which you
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Speaker 1: know that was a little bit more worrisome to us
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Speaker 1: just going into a campground. You know, when they did
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Speaker 1: some areas in the Appalachian Trail, you know, you always
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Speaker 1: hear stories about some things that go on there because
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Speaker 1: it is in some desolate areas, and you worry about that.
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Speaker 1: But they did a lot of trips like that. Why
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Speaker 1: are they still searching Carlton Reserve out to Boss's seed Fly.
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Speaker 1: They've spent all this time and all this money there.
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Speaker 1: There's got to be a reason. And that's what a
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Speaker 1: lot of people are staying. We did see a flurry
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Speaker 1: of activity last week, including cadaver dogs at that scene,
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Speaker 1: and I know that some outlets, including Inside Edition, are
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Speaker 1: reporting that a million and a half dollars has been
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Speaker 1: spent on this search. I can tell you that there
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Speaker 1: was more than seventy men on site searching for Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry in the initial stages. We believe this is surgeon
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Speaker 1: is ongoing every single day, even if we don't spot activity.
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Speaker 1: Like today, we did not spot activity, but it's very vast.
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Speaker 1: Just because we don't see it and the usual spots
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Speaker 1: does not mean that it's not happening. Just two quick
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Speaker 1: points regarding what you guys were talking about. Earlier September eleventh,
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Speaker 1: when Northport Pebe went to the house, they did not
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Speaker 1: see Brian, so you cannot say that is when he
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Speaker 1: was last seen. Also, last week, I got some new
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Speaker 1: information from the attorney. He told me that Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: left September thirteenth, and he says that Chris Laundry went
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Speaker 1: out to the reserve on September thirteenth to look for
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, didn't find him, went back home the next day.
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Speaker 1: Chris and Roberta went out together. They saw that the
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Speaker 1: car was parked. They saw that there was a notice
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Speaker 1: on it that it might get towed by Northport police.
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Speaker 1: They both spent some time looking for Brian on the
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Speaker 1: trail they could not find They went home again, and
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Speaker 1: the attorney told me that it was on the fifteenth
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Speaker 1: that they went back and they picked up the car
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Speaker 1: because they were worried that it might get told. So
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Speaker 1: a little bit of information. The parents now apparently had
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Speaker 1: been searching for him since the thirteenth, according to the attorney.
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Speaker 1: Lee Reber, the mobile device forensic expert at Oxygen Forensics, Inc. Lee,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of questions because I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that Brian Laundry can survive on his own. I think
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Speaker 1: he has guidance in direction from his parents, money support, everything.
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Speaker 1: All he has to do is last a period of
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Speaker 1: months without getting caught and he's home free. Because this
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Speaker 1: is going to die away from the headlines. People are
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Speaker 1: going to stop looking for him. I think he has
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Speaker 1: altered his appearance and may have done so before he
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Speaker 1: left home, but I think he's got to stay in
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Speaker 1: touch with his parents, and I think he must be
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Speaker 1: doing it. By Burner phone to go to an Internet
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Speaker 1: cafe or a public library. Way too risky. So tell
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Speaker 1: me how that would work, Laby reb without him getting detected. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, honestly, a burner phone back in the day
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Speaker 1: used to be a flip phone. You know, you have
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Speaker 1: a SIM card and it's now you can go into
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Speaker 1: any convenience store Walmart. I can go pick one up
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Speaker 1: for thirty bucks. I could pay with a gift card.
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Speaker 1: If they're no longer used to be ere there was
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Speaker 1: a lot more stream they have locked up? What too fast? What? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is a burner phone now simply
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Speaker 1: it used to be a flip phone right now we're talking. Hey,
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Speaker 1: look at it. It could be an Android device that
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Speaker 1: I could get for thirty dollars at any store. I
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Speaker 1: could go in. I can grab it. I could have
21:48
Speaker 1: someone else grab it. I can go steal it. I
21:51
Speaker 1: can go to a pawn shop. Now it has Wi
21:55
Speaker 1: Fi access, I can go, I can walk around Wi
21:58
Speaker 1: Fi's everywhere. I can go and have that information and
22:01
Speaker 1: people aren't aren't really, They're thinking you're concentrating on sales sites. Okay,
22:05
Speaker 1: that's great, But I can go and communicate with someone
22:09
Speaker 1: through Words with Friends, Class of Kings, any application that
22:15
Speaker 1: they're trying to look and think about email, they're trying
22:17
Speaker 1: to think about text messages. I think, okay, you know
22:21
Speaker 1: what pertend you're speaking a foreign language and nobody speaks
22:27
Speaker 1: explain talking about for instance, not everybody knows what is
22:31
Speaker 1: Class of Kings. Sure, sure, so just think of any game,
22:36
Speaker 1: any game that you utilize on your on your phone. Right,
22:38
Speaker 1: so Words with Friends it's a scrabble game, and the
22:42
Speaker 1: scrabble game you play with random people, you play with
22:46
Speaker 1: other people. You might have played with your parents, you
22:48
Speaker 1: might have paid with your friends. Well, a part of
22:51
Speaker 1: these applications I can communicate the messages. Actually messaging app
22:57
Speaker 1: is built within these games. So a lot communicating with
23:01
Speaker 1: in these No one's really going to either detect that
23:04
Speaker 1: or look for that. A lot of times when people
23:07
Speaker 1: are doing forensic examinations, they're not looking for these types
23:11
Speaker 1: of applications for communication. They're concentrating on things that are messagers,
23:16
Speaker 1: are emails. And so it's think back when a lot
23:22
Speaker 1: of information came out of how terrorists were communicating with
23:26
Speaker 1: each other through email, but they would simply leave it
23:29
Speaker 1: in draft so that it was never sent, but they
23:32
Speaker 1: each had the logging credentials, so if they're able to
23:35
Speaker 1: actually log in and actually read the emails that are
23:38
Speaker 1: stored within drafts. So it's the same thing if we
23:41
Speaker 1: start talking about now we have with these third party
23:45
Speaker 1: a messaging applications for communication. So it's honestly very easy
23:50
Speaker 1: to communicate with someone without other people knowing. If you think, Lennar,
23:55
Speaker 1: if you're thinking just upon messaging our standard I message
23:59
Speaker 1: or SMS or email, and I think that that becomes
24:03
Speaker 1: an issue with the investigation. And you know, if your
24:07
Speaker 1: point about burner phones, it's extremely easy to get to
24:09
Speaker 1: obtain these. You know, obviously I'm making assumptions parents to
24:13
Speaker 1: have burner phones that aren't necessarily attracts to them law
24:17
Speaker 1: enforce thee might not know about them, and they're using
24:20
Speaker 1: these to community. Okay, let me ask you a question
24:22
Speaker 1: right there, Lee, Raybra, I feel like I'm drinking on
24:25
Speaker 1: the fire hydrant and you're giving me so much information
24:27
Speaker 1: at once I can't take it all in. For instance,
24:30
Speaker 1: here are some of the questions that our listeners and
24:32
Speaker 1: viewers have sent me on Facebook. Do you have to
24:36
Speaker 1: register for a burner phone? How do you pay for
24:40
Speaker 1: a burner phone? Are they paid for in cash or
24:43
Speaker 1: credit card? Can they be traced? Why or why not?
24:48
Speaker 1: How many hours do you have on a burner phone?
24:51
Speaker 1: How much data do you have to have? Wi Fi?
24:55
Speaker 1: Can you just can you send text messages or messages
24:59
Speaker 1: with just sell let's just start with those. Go ahead. Sure,
25:03
Speaker 1: that's a lot of questions. So just to come back
25:06
Speaker 1: onto with a burner Sure, I could go in and
25:09
Speaker 1: I could pick one of those up. Do I have
25:11
Speaker 1: to give Do I have to give my driver's license
25:13
Speaker 1: to pick that up? No? Not at all. I can
25:16
Speaker 1: go and obtain that. Do I have to go and
25:18
Speaker 1: sign up for the service that might come with it,
25:21
Speaker 1: say track phones one of them. Do I have to
25:23
Speaker 1: sign up to be able to utilize that? Well? If
25:25
Speaker 1: I want to use the cell side of that, sure, sure,
25:29
Speaker 1: but I can get the and just simply use them,
25:32
Speaker 1: because they all are going to use like as Wi
25:34
Speaker 1: Fi shop. You know. So you're saying he would have
25:38
Speaker 1: to sign up for the Wi Fi service. Uh so, No,
25:41
Speaker 1: the Wi Fi service. If I wanted to use use
25:44
Speaker 1: a cell service, yeah, someone here you would have to say,
25:47
Speaker 1: I have to have the SIM card if I want
25:49
Speaker 1: to activate that I can activate that. Yes, but can't
25:53
Speaker 1: you do that as you give a fake name? Yes,
25:57
Speaker 1: so there's no real there's no let me go back,
25:59
Speaker 1: there's no clue left behind. I could go in how
26:02
Speaker 1: many hours? Let's just say, Verizon, can you put on
26:08
Speaker 1: a burner at a time? Oh, you can, as in
26:11
Speaker 1: hours to communicate and talk? Yes, yes, it depends. I
26:15
Speaker 1: mean how much you want to pay right to get
26:18
Speaker 1: that service? Four hundred dollars? How many hours? Well, that
26:22
Speaker 1: burner last months and if they paid that in cash
26:27
Speaker 1: under the name Jackie Howard, then that would not be
26:31
Speaker 1: traceable back to them. And you can get it at
26:34
Speaker 1: a pawn shop. If you get a burner at a
26:36
Speaker 1: pawn shop, can you also get your sales service activated
26:39
Speaker 1: at a pawn shop? Now, the interesting thing is, so
26:42
Speaker 1: if I went to here's another If I went to
26:44
Speaker 1: a pawn shop, get I get a phone. The phone's unlocked,
26:48
Speaker 1: which means it allows me to put a simcart into
26:50
Speaker 1: it from any any carrier. I can then walk into
26:54
Speaker 1: a store and simply buy a simcart. So now I've
26:58
Speaker 1: purchased a phone at a paunch shop, I now have
27:01
Speaker 1: a SIM card from a different store, or I don't know. Okay,
27:07
Speaker 1: you get a simcard a quick trip, then what do
27:10
Speaker 1: you do? Yep, yeah, I can go and yeah, if
27:12
Speaker 1: you have a SIM card, I can. I can slap
27:14
Speaker 1: that in. Every simcard comes with it depends upon the carrier,
27:19
Speaker 1: but it comes with, say thirty minutes of talk time
27:22
Speaker 1: and thirty minutes of Wi Fi. If I had a
27:24
Speaker 1: whole bunch of SIM cards that I stole in, i'd
27:27
Speaker 1: be I can. I can utilize all those and you
27:30
Speaker 1: don't have to register with a sales service. You will
27:33
Speaker 1: you will register with the SOUL service to get technic,
27:36
Speaker 1: which means that Okay, if I went in and I
27:38
Speaker 1: stole this, and I can go in and I can
27:40
Speaker 1: put the simcard into this, it will allow me to activate.
27:45
Speaker 1: By activating, you register correct, correct, So the whole registration
27:51
Speaker 1: process isn't like I go up to the camera, go hi,
27:55
Speaker 1: I want to register for Verizon with this SIM correct.
27:58
Speaker 1: You just stick the simcard in and you're in business.
28:01
Speaker 1: Could you register with that obviously, and you have there's
28:03
Speaker 1: already prepaid time that would be in within that SIM
28:06
Speaker 1: part itself. Now some of the stores have started the
28:09
Speaker 1: activation process of once you purchased that it activated it
28:13
Speaker 1: much like a gifts card, so they have their arts.
28:31
Speaker 1: Another theory I've got, Massa said, remember when the parents
28:36
Speaker 1: drove I don't know, ninety miles to Jacksonville to speak
28:39
Speaker 1: to their lawyer, and they coincidently stopped at a public library. Yeah,
28:45
Speaker 1: I thought that was too much of a coincidence. Why
28:47
Speaker 1: would you stop at a public library and wander around
28:50
Speaker 1: until you see a reporter from Daily Mail following you
28:53
Speaker 1: and then you leave. I still say I think that
28:56
Speaker 1: they were trying to activate email out side of their
29:00
Speaker 1: home because they probably rightfully fear that their email and
29:06
Speaker 1: their phone calls are being surveiled, so they come up
29:09
Speaker 1: with a fake email and then they have to go
29:12
Speaker 1: somewhere to access the email. Massa, where what was that library?
29:16
Speaker 1: And they never made it to the computers, right, Yeah,
29:18
Speaker 1: So they spent some time in the library, and it
29:20
Speaker 1: was it was very curious that they decided to meet
29:23
Speaker 1: with the attorney in Orlando, you know, trying to get
29:26
Speaker 1: away from just the intense media that was surrounding their
29:29
Speaker 1: home at the time, so they chose to get out
29:33
Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay area and drive over to Orlando
29:36
Speaker 1: for that appointment. Let me ask you this, Lee Riba
29:39
Speaker 1: and Joe Scott, Cheryl, Doctor Angie, Michael Griffith. Everybody jump
29:43
Speaker 1: in with questions or comments. We've got X amount of
29:48
Speaker 1: time and I want to work it. What I have
29:50
Speaker 1: a sixty four thousand dollars question? Hit me? If he
29:54
Speaker 1: does have the burn a phone, how could he possibly
29:58
Speaker 1: this is for Reba, how could he possibly communicate with
30:01
Speaker 1: the parents, because I'm sure the FBI is monitoring of
30:05
Speaker 1: the phone and the remails because they have a burner
30:07
Speaker 1: phone too. Yeah, exactly, I mean, and the whole of
30:11
Speaker 1: going to say a public library. You know, every service,
30:15
Speaker 1: almost every third party service. If you think about what
30:18
Speaker 1: that telegram signal, every single one of those allows you
30:22
Speaker 1: to log in via computer. So if I'm communicating, I
30:26
Speaker 1: don't have to have a phone. I can go in
30:28
Speaker 1: and log into the account that we have coordinated, and
30:31
Speaker 1: now I'm able to have all those messages, whether he's
30:34
Speaker 1: speaking to himself or just to have somebody else read this,
30:38
Speaker 1: because they have the account information. They've got a burner phone. Hello,
30:44
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go, we get him or burner phone
30:46
Speaker 1: and a bunch of SIM cards. Then they have a
30:49
Speaker 1: burner phone. Okay, Nancy Yes. Listen, I've had a couple
30:54
Speaker 1: of people ask me this question. This is actually directed
30:57
Speaker 1: to you as well as to Lee. People have asked me,
31:01
Speaker 1: is there any way by law that Brian Laundry could
31:04
Speaker 1: be in direct communication with this attorney. Yes, that's his attorney,
31:08
Speaker 1: and that right, Cheryl McCollum. Didn't he hire you know
31:11
Speaker 1: the moment he got back in town. And that's one
31:14
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about. The attorney is very
31:16
Speaker 1: careful to call himself the family attorney, even though he's
31:20
Speaker 1: quoted the parents, he's never quoted Brian. But absolutely all
31:24
Speaker 1: three of them can communicate with that attorney. That's why
31:28
Speaker 1: I believe they went there on that day because they
31:30
Speaker 1: were fixing too, you know, all four, you know, have
31:34
Speaker 1: a sit down. Well, you know, my thought was was that,
31:37
Speaker 1: you know, he's on the lamp, he's wanted by the FBI.
31:42
Speaker 1: Is the attorney under any obligation to theoretically, theorectally turn
31:47
Speaker 1: him into the authorities to commit another crime, right, Michael Griffith, exactly.
31:53
Speaker 1: And you know the attorney will lose his ticket to
31:56
Speaker 1: practice if he tries to come up with any any
32:00
Speaker 1: kind of advice to keep him on the lamb, but
32:04
Speaker 1: he is not under the duty to provide location information
32:08
Speaker 1: to the fields. No, that's why you have a lawyer
32:12
Speaker 1: to protect you, not hand you over like a Thanksgiving
32:15
Speaker 1: turkey on a silver platter. No, you're right, Jo Scott,
32:19
Speaker 1: So tell the questionnaires that the lawyer Bertolino has no
32:24
Speaker 1: duty at all to reveal the whereabouts to Brian laundry
32:28
Speaker 1: if in fact he knows. But I guarantee you they're
32:32
Speaker 1: communicating either through burner phone or through another type of account,
32:37
Speaker 1: not their regular emails. And Lee reber with me from
32:40
Speaker 1: auction Forensics, Ink. Lee, can you just address a stingray
32:46
Speaker 1: because my question is if the parents are using a
32:50
Speaker 1: burner within their home, which I doubt because they're probably
32:54
Speaker 1: afraid the home is tapped. But if they are using
32:57
Speaker 1: a burner, or if they have the burner turned off
33:00
Speaker 1: on in their home, could a sting right device which
33:04
Speaker 1: is really like a little mobile saddle, a little mobile
33:08
Speaker 1: cell tower. Would it pick up the burner phone number
33:13
Speaker 1: and if so, find out who was texting and what
33:16
Speaker 1: is being texted to that number. Yeah, I mean you
33:19
Speaker 1: could call it a cell site simulator, right, sort of
33:22
Speaker 1: the man in the middle, and you know, obviously anything
33:25
Speaker 1: that would be coming out of that and attaching to
33:28
Speaker 1: that cell tower in air quotes, Yeah, sure, that could
33:32
Speaker 1: be the information the International Mobile Subscriber identity, which is
33:38
Speaker 1: would be on the SIM card, as well as the
33:41
Speaker 1: I M EI which is the mobile equipment identifier which
33:44
Speaker 1: you need for the phone. They'd be able to take
33:46
Speaker 1: that information and go back to obtain they called detail
33:49
Speaker 1: records of information from that. So that is it is
33:52
Speaker 1: definitely possible to do that if they have the burner
33:56
Speaker 1: on in the home and that burner could reveal any
34:02
Speaker 1: faults or pseudo email addresses that they are utilizing, Doctor
34:08
Speaker 1: Angie Arnold. A lot of people say, wow, you know what,
34:10
Speaker 1: that's complicated. First of all, it's not complicated to go
34:13
Speaker 1: pick up burner phones at a pawn shop and then
34:15
Speaker 1: go to T Mobile or wherever and get some SIM cards.
34:20
Speaker 1: That's not hard at all. They could get him twenty
34:23
Speaker 1: SIM cards. They're this big and he could easily carry
34:27
Speaker 1: them to stay in touch. Would they do it this morning?
34:31
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie? My daughter Lucy said, I said, there's your phone.
34:35
Speaker 1: Take it to school. They can't have it turned on
34:37
Speaker 1: at school, and she said him to school, even at home,
34:39
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, what if you need me, you
34:41
Speaker 1: need to be able to call me and I need
34:44
Speaker 1: to be able to find you at all times in
34:46
Speaker 1: case you're in trouble. So it was that quick? You
34:49
Speaker 1: want to tell me those parents sent him out without
34:52
Speaker 1: a way to communicate. And you know, Nancy, this all,
34:57
Speaker 1: all of this information leads back to what I said
35:01
Speaker 1: about Brian Laundry when this first happened. He is a sociopath.
35:08
Speaker 1: Let's not forget that. Okay, Okay, breaks us down and
35:14
Speaker 1: not everybody got to go to medical school. Okay, this
35:19
Speaker 1: is so interesting, Okay, Nancy. Sociopaths don't learn from their mistakes. Okay.
35:26
Speaker 1: They use intelligence and charm and charisma to manipulate others.
35:31
Speaker 1: They try to control other people with threats of aggression.
35:36
Speaker 1: They have very impulsive behavior. They lie for personal gain.
35:43
Speaker 1: Everything we're talking about here describes him as a sociopath.
35:50
Speaker 1: What is burning inside of me every time I read
35:53
Speaker 1: another thing about this family is what are his parents like?
35:57
Speaker 1: I want to know how he became associopath, how he
36:01
Speaker 1: was raised, and what his parents are like. But all
36:05
Speaker 1: of them together, good thoughts, Shall McCollum, what's happened to
36:08
Speaker 1: sister Cassie. Cassie has been such an unbelievable person that
36:13
Speaker 1: gets weaved into this thing every five minutes and Nancy again,
36:17
Speaker 1: law enforcement contacts her on the eleventh of September. She
36:22
Speaker 1: doesn't rush to her parents and say we've got to
36:24
Speaker 1: go find Gabby. She doesn't say, you know, what in
36:27
Speaker 1: the world's going on. She stays away from her family
36:30
Speaker 1: and her brother. But at that point she knows Gabby's
36:34
Speaker 1: formally missing. And what happens. The FBI comes and visits
36:38
Speaker 1: her and says, hey, don't talk to nobody. She goes
36:40
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America. The lawyer says, oh, by the way, Cassie,
36:44
Speaker 1: did you have a chance to talk to him, because
36:47
Speaker 1: she was at the camp site. Well, then at that
36:48
Speaker 1: point what happens again. Cassie ramps it up. Cassie puts
36:53
Speaker 1: herself back in this thing and says, okay, well, let
36:55
Speaker 1: me tell you what all went down at the campsite.
36:57
Speaker 1: We had this deed. We did that. You know, Brian,
37:00
Speaker 1: that ain't his car, that's a parent's car. They all
37:02
Speaker 1: came over here. She to me, is somebody that they
37:06
Speaker 1: need to stay on top of. She's the only one
37:09
Speaker 1: willing to talk. She's the only one that I believe
37:14
Speaker 1: has information on just how involved the parents would be
37:18
Speaker 1: because she knows the dynamics of that home. I still
37:21
Speaker 1: don't have an answer from anybody, and I know we
37:23
Speaker 1: don't know definitively, but for Pete's sake, take a stab
37:28
Speaker 1: at it. Okay, why are they still searching Carlton Reserve?
37:34
Speaker 1: There has to be a reason they're still there. Okay,
37:39
Speaker 1: here's my guess. Here's my guess. Mamma gave us that.
37:43
Speaker 1: Mama gave us that location. Mama gave us the wrong date,
37:46
Speaker 1: in the wrong location, but she pointed specifically to that reserve.
37:51
Speaker 1: If anything like a computer or Gabby's clothing, anything that
37:56
Speaker 1: could have been destroyed, could very well be in that reserve.
37:59
Speaker 1: Joe Scott was a bum steer. What Michael Griffith, I
38:03
Speaker 1: think it was a bumsteer probably, But why are they
38:06
Speaker 1: still searching it? You have a well fancy but Michael, yeah,
38:11
Speaker 1: you have to ask them. I mean, how can the police?
38:14
Speaker 1: Did you actually just say you'd have to ask them?
38:17
Speaker 1: That is not helping me. That wasted thirty seconds of
38:22
Speaker 1: this program. Michael Griffith, Yes, what do you have to
38:26
Speaker 1: say for yourself. Please forgive me. I promise I won't
38:29
Speaker 1: do it again. But but, but but at this point,
38:35
Speaker 1: unless he's eating alligators and lapping up featured water, he's
38:39
Speaker 1: not in the reserve and we're letting the burn of phones.
38:42
Speaker 1: Unless he's having conversations with his parents, there's no way
38:47
Speaker 1: that they can get him any kind of access to
38:49
Speaker 1: money or or or bank accounts or things like that
38:53
Speaker 1: because the police would be on it right away. So
38:55
Speaker 1: I don't see the pa. I don't know he managed
38:57
Speaker 1: to get out of the house. And a lot about
39:00
Speaker 1: people showing up down there with cadaver dogs, there's been
39:03
Speaker 1: no proof of that they do have access. The Pasco
39:05
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office does have access to cadaver dogs, and
39:08
Speaker 1: I think they actually have one in their kennel. But
39:11
Speaker 1: if they are looking for a body working in swamp,
39:14
Speaker 1: looking for a body is very difficult because, and I'm
39:17
Speaker 1: going to throw some knowledge at you, the makeup of
39:20
Speaker 1: this swamp is pure organic material that's vesta material and
39:24
Speaker 1: everything else. One of the things that's created in this
39:26
Speaker 1: environment is something called tannic acid, and when bodies break
39:30
Speaker 1: down and swamp, it goes quicker than any other place.
39:33
Speaker 1: They could be getting negative hits out there, relative if
39:36
Speaker 1: they're bringing dogs, because to be blunt with you, bodies
39:40
Speaker 1: and swamps turn to soup. So if he's been down
39:44
Speaker 1: for a protracted period of time, they ain't gonna be
39:46
Speaker 1: much left. Other speaking, why, as Michael Griffith said, why
39:52
Speaker 1: would you go out into a nature reserve to kill
39:55
Speaker 1: yourself with alligators? That contradicts everything that we know about
40:00
Speaker 1: method and assessment of homicide and suicide. Just no, I
40:04
Speaker 1: don't see him going out there to kill himself. Doctor
40:08
Speaker 1: Angie jump In, I don't see him going out there
40:10
Speaker 1: to kill himself either. Okay, that goes against it really
40:14
Speaker 1: does go against everything else that he's showing people that
40:17
Speaker 1: people that are sociopaths or that have antisocial personalities order
40:22
Speaker 1: they say they might attempt suicide, They talked about it
40:27
Speaker 1: to get people's attention, but they don't do it. So Massa,
40:32
Speaker 1: what do you have any idea why they're still there? Yes? No,
40:35
Speaker 1: you know. I think the interesting thing was when we
40:38
Speaker 1: saw them last week and they had on all this
40:40
Speaker 1: tactical gear, we were like, oh my god, what's happening?
40:43
Speaker 1: Like Twitter was blowing up, and then we don't say o,
40:47
Speaker 1: m g on cs with NG okay him into this, Okay,
40:55
Speaker 1: go ahead. And they said that they were doing a
40:57
Speaker 1: training exercise. So I've seen experts like analyzed in a
41:02
Speaker 1: different way. Yeah. So, but didn't they go out with
41:05
Speaker 1: cadaver dogs? They did the day before they went out
41:09
Speaker 1: with cadaver dog. One day they went out with a
41:11
Speaker 1: cadaver dog at least one, but there was two different
41:14
Speaker 1: sheriff's offices with dogs on scene. Then the following day
41:17
Speaker 1: we saw them in tactical gear, and then later in
41:20
Speaker 1: the day Northport Police said that they were just doing
41:22
Speaker 1: a training exercise. So I didn't know what to think
41:26
Speaker 1: about that, Like, are they being efficient with their time?
41:29
Speaker 1: Are they okay? You know what? Why I don't believe that.
41:33
Speaker 1: It's just like they brought out cadets to help look
41:35
Speaker 1: for sean to Lavie's body. Yes, it was a training exercise,
41:38
Speaker 1: but also they were looking for her body. Okay. So
41:41
Speaker 1: I've got Michael Griffith, doctor Angie, Cheryl McCollum, any idea
41:45
Speaker 1: why they're at Carlton Reserved Quickly not Shell Cheryl. That
41:50
Speaker 1: was for you. Well, I'm telling you, I believe the place,
41:56
Speaker 1: but I do think it was a red heron. I'm
41:59
Speaker 1: telling you everything has been a lie. But did they
42:02
Speaker 1: go back and forth there? Yes? Could it possibly be
42:05
Speaker 1: they were getting rid of evidence? Yes. Keep in mind,
42:09
Speaker 1: no one, not law enforcement, not the attorney, nobody has
42:14
Speaker 1: seen Brian in person since before September eleventh. And to
42:20
Speaker 1: Lee revert lee elect best bet and trying to catch
42:26
Speaker 1: the scouting. Well, let me throw that theory out too.
42:28
Speaker 1: Why they might be in that area. I'm sure they
42:30
Speaker 1: were dumping cell sites, which means that they go to
42:33
Speaker 1: each cell tower and they'll actually dump the information and
42:36
Speaker 1: data which can identify and so they're backtracking. They might
42:39
Speaker 1: have found that, you know, when the parents were going
42:42
Speaker 1: back and forth their phone's registry. So they might be
42:46
Speaker 1: doing and trying to do some location work and how
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Speaker 1: do you do the celled up? So they'll identify the
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Speaker 1: cell tower and then work with the cell carriers because
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Speaker 1: multiple carriers can utilize You don't have to search Carlton
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Speaker 1: or deserve a swamp with dogs to get the data
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Speaker 1: a cell tower, correct, So they can do all of
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Speaker 1: that and have the information. My point is they might
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Speaker 1: be using that as a directional location of last location. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: I have all these papers of your questions and your
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Speaker 1: notes that we can't get to quickly now, but I
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Speaker 1: can tell you this much. It ain't over yet, and
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Speaker 1: we are not stopping until we find Brian Laundry and
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Speaker 1: bring him to justice. I want him alive. I want
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry in a court of law. Nancy Grace Crime Story,
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,