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Tech Friday with Dave Hatter - Presented by Intrust IT 10/9/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 6.30 on a Friday. Love this time. IntrustIT.com. Sponsors of
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  Speaker 1: hands with Dave and the crew on the job. Dave Hatter,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. Thank you for sponsoring the segment.
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  Speaker 1: It's very informative, and you've kept me out of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trouble over the years.
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  Speaker 2: My pleasure, Brian. Always good to be here. Hopefully we're
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  Speaker 2: doing some good out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are definitely. And I don't have a list.
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  Speaker 1: I look for the topic list, which you said you
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  Speaker 1: had forwarded over. I can't find it, so I'm flying blind,
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  Speaker 1: but I've got you there, and I know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to do a great job introing the topics and talking
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  Speaker 1: about them. So let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. No problem. Check your Gmail. See if
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  Speaker 2: it made it there. But anyhow, let's start out with
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  Speaker 2: this story.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to say a word about me having
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  Speaker 1: a Gmail account, Dave?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm not a fan of Google, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't use Gmail myself, but hey, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: each his own, right? Although I will tell you, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe we'll just go off script here for a second,
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  Speaker 2: this would be a good opportunity for your listeners to,
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  Speaker 2: if you're using Gmail, okay, anytime you're using a free product,
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  Speaker 2: you are the product, not the customer. Right. They're collecting
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  Speaker 2: your data. Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily nefarious, but
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  Speaker 2: reminder that that there are these big tech companies who
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  Speaker 2: their entire product is you and the data they're collecting
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  Speaker 2: from you. You don't have to take my words where
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  Speaker 2: people can go out and on their own see what
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  Speaker 2: privacy-friendly organizations like EFF and so forth say about these things.
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  Speaker 1: You brought this up many, I hope everybody listening on
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  Speaker 1: this goes, yeah, you've told us this already, Dave. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they do. They collect your data. So basically
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me Gmail's doing the same damn thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of the things that Google is most
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  Speaker 2: known for. So there are other much more privacy-friendly options
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  Speaker 2: out there. I switched from Gmail to ProtonMail probably almost
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  Speaker 2: six years ago now. ProtonMail is one of many good
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  Speaker 2: services that are more privacy-friendly. Proton is in Switzerland. There's
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of reasons. And again, you go out
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  Speaker 2: there and the audience can do your own research on this.
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  Speaker 2: But I've been using ProtonMail for a while. There is
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  Speaker 2: a free entry level. It's a freemium type of model
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  Speaker 2: where you can start for free and then pay. I
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  Speaker 2: pay to get the extra capabilities. It's a nominal fee.
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  Speaker 2: I probably pay less in a year for Proton and
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  Speaker 2: the other services they provide. They have a very well-known,
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  Speaker 2: well-respected VPN. They have an excellent and well-respected password manager.
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  Speaker 2: They have a feature like Google Drive or OneDrive where
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  Speaker 2: you can share files securely. So they've got a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, right? Again, they're very well known in the
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  Speaker 2: privacy community. And I would remind folks out there, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: that I have on my sub stack that we talk
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  Speaker 2: about all the time a list of the products that
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  Speaker 2: I use personally, not the work-related stuff, not the professional stuff,
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that I use personally because it's more business-friendly.
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  Speaker 2: I'll post that in my show note today. If you
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  Speaker 2: just go to my sub stack and look and search
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  Speaker 2: for privacy, you'll find it. So it's including proton mail,
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  Speaker 2: including browsers other than Chrome, which we've talked about many times. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're looking to kind of maybe take
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  Speaker 2: some of my advice, see what other people who care
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  Speaker 2: about privacy and are not thrilled with our surveillance capitalism
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  Speaker 2: model are doing, you know, again, there's plenty of resources
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  Speaker 2: you can find out there with guidance for how to
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  Speaker 2: shift away from these surveillance capitalism model systems to more
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  Speaker 2: privacy-friendly options. Again, I've documented all the stuff I'm currently using,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll update it if I decide to switch. It's funny, too, Brian, because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you get, like, three nerds in a room,
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  Speaker 2: at least one of them is going to have a
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  Speaker 2: different opinion that's going to tell you you're wrong about it. Guaranteed. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of the pleas that I make in
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  Speaker 2: my post is, hey, if you've got a better option,
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  Speaker 2: let me know. You know, I'm not locked into these things.
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  Speaker 2: And at any given time, any company can change their
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  Speaker 2: business model. And I might change my perspective on why
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  Speaker 2: you should or should not use them. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: haven't used Gmail for a long time. I would encourage
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  Speaker 2: folks to do their own research. I know it's free.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's been around for a long time. I
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  Speaker 2: know people have an investment in it, quote unquote, because
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  Speaker 2: they've used it for a long time. But I'll also
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  Speaker 2: tell you, many of the better companies out there who
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  Speaker 2: want your business and are more privacy friendly will make
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  Speaker 2: it easy for you to switch. Um, same thing with, uh,
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  Speaker 2: switching your browser from Chrome to something else. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I use a combination of different browsers, primarily Firefox and brave.
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  Speaker 2: Both of them make it very easy for you to
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  Speaker 2: import your bookmarks from Chrome. Then you get easy for
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  Speaker 2: you to import your stuff, to switch over. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: once you get that done and there's all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: online guides for this too, Brian, plus now you have
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  Speaker 2: AI that can talk you through it.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: So it's never been easier, uh, to divest from these
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  Speaker 2: surveillance capitalism, data Hoover-type systems to something that's more privacy
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  Speaker 2: and security friendly. Again, I personally use ProtonMail. There are
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  Speaker 2: other good ones out there. If you hit my sub stack,
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  Speaker 2: you can see my entire list. If you think I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: got a better suggestion, send it to me. I'll look
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  Speaker 2: into it because I'm always looking for the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: is going to be more... And the reason I say
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  Speaker 2: more privacy friendly, and this is some of the disagreement
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  Speaker 2: I get with people... Am I using the most privacy-friendly? Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not. But I'm also trying to find things that
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  Speaker 2: don't create an enormous amount of friction for me and
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  Speaker 2: I can recommend to other people.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be functional.
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  Speaker 2: Not everyone is as technically inclined as I am and
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  Speaker 2: may not want to spend a whole bunch of time
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure something out. So I'm trying to balance
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  Speaker 2: privacy and usability so that more people will have options
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  Speaker 2: to get out of these companies that are basically turning
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  Speaker 2: you into their product.
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  Speaker 1: Interest IT. So, Dave, in the three minutes in this segment,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get back on track. Are we going
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  Speaker 1: to talk pig butchering or are we going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the 50 terabytes of data that went poof?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there he is. Did you put your mute on again?
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  Speaker 2: I did. Stop doing that. Sorry. Let's talk about the
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  Speaker 2: 50 terabytes that went poof because I can make it
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  Speaker 2: really short. So this is an example where even if
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  Speaker 2: you read it, and I can only tell you from
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  Speaker 2: the reporting, they tried to do the right thing. They
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  Speaker 2: worked with a third-party provider to have off-site backups and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. But then the provider went out of business,
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  Speaker 2: and apparently they've lost 50 terabytes of data. For someone
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  Speaker 2: that's not really down with all this megabytes, terabytes, then
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  Speaker 2: 50 terabytes is an enormous amount of data. Now, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it's probably video since they were a TV station,
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  Speaker 2: but video takes up a lot of space. Here's my point.
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  Speaker 2: I would tell you, both for individuals and especially for businesses,
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  Speaker 2: it's never been more important to have resilience built into
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  Speaker 2: your plan. There's nothing you can do. There's no amount
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  Speaker 2: of money you can spend that will make you completely
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  Speaker 2: impervious to both cyber attacks, which are increasing thanks to AI,
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  Speaker 2: and equipment failure. I've lost data in the past because
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  Speaker 2: something failed and I didn't take the time to back
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  Speaker 2: it up. It's never been easier or cheaper to do this.
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  Speaker 2: There's never been more options. every business should be following
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  Speaker 2: something called the backup rule of three, two, one. If
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  Speaker 2: something is important, if something, if you have something you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to lose for whatever reason, especially if it's
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  Speaker 2: mission critical to the operation of your business, you should
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  Speaker 2: have three copies of it. The production copy you're working
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  Speaker 2: off of every day, another copy on a different medium,
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  Speaker 2: and then a third copy off site somewhere, obviously all encrypted,
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  Speaker 2: all protected, um, So that even if the two copies
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  Speaker 2: at your site, so again, let's say production server, let's
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  Speaker 2: say backup NAS or something, right? There's many different ways
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  Speaker 2: to hit this T1 rule. Even if your building gets
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  Speaker 2: hit by a tornado or something, you still have the
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  Speaker 2: data off-site somewhere. They, as I understand it for me,
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  Speaker 2: only had two copies or maybe even one copy in
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  Speaker 2: this off-site storage. And when that went away, it was
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  Speaker 2: all gone. You know, I have firsthand knowledge, Brian, of
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  Speaker 2: businesses that have had catastrophic loss because of this sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing. It's never been easier. This is something, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Incostrust can help you with, and I'm happy to explain
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  Speaker 2: it in detail to anyone who wants to reach out.
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  Speaker 2: Backup rule 321, never been easier, never been less expensive either,
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  Speaker 2: to ensure you have continuity for your business by doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And they show you what happens when you don't.
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  Speaker 1: Sound advice from Dave Hatter. Heed what he has to say.
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  Speaker 1: And on the heels of yesterday, I got a notice
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  Speaker 1: on my laptop. It's been 58 days since my last backup.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to have to go home and do
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  Speaker 1: that now that I've listened to what you had to say, Dave. 645.
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  Speaker 1: It is 650 at 55KRCD Talk Station. Tech Friday with
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. LinkedIn.com to find Dave's articles and his sub
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  Speaker 1: stack that he relies upon. And you can check that
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  Speaker 1: throughout the week. IntrustIT.com to get in touch with Dave
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  Speaker 1: and the team to help your business grow. help your
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  Speaker 1: business along with these computer issues we talk about throughout the, uh,
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  Speaker 1: every time on this weekend or on this Friday program, Dave, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's pig slaughtering. Hey, pig butchering, butchering.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The official term. And, uh, I want to, I
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  Speaker 2: want to start out and mention this, the link I
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  Speaker 2: sent you to this website, operation Shamrock, strongly recommend people
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  Speaker 2: go there again. I'll post it in my notes and
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  Speaker 2: throw it out there and all the social media and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. Um, They focus on these kind of scams,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the key people behind it has got
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  Speaker 2: some very interesting research. Erin West, she's become fairly famous.
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  Speaker 2: She travels around the world trying to show these sorts
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  Speaker 2: of large-scale operations in action. Because I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the things many people do not realize is so much
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  Speaker 2: of the scams and fraud that are out there today
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  Speaker 2: are not like one individual person trying to scam you.
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  Speaker 2: These are organized criminal gangs all around the world, usually
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  Speaker 2: in places where they can't be touched by U.S. law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: Targeting U.S. citizens and others, but obviously we're very wealthy
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  Speaker 2: here compared to the rest of the world, so there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot more opportunity to steal here. And it's very sophisticated.
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  Speaker 2: These people are essentially trained con artists. They're not sophisticated
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  Speaker 2: technical people in many cases, if not most cases. They
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  Speaker 2: are trained con artists, and they're using all of this
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  Speaker 2: digital technology that we rely on now to come after
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  Speaker 2: you on your phone via text or phone calls. via email,
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  Speaker 2: via social media, via chat apps, via video games. If
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  Speaker 2: there are people there and they can get to you,
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  Speaker 2: they will get to you. And before I run out
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  Speaker 2: of time, the whole idea of pig butchering is the concept, right?
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  Speaker 2: You want to fatten the pig up before you slaughter it, right?
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  Speaker 2: So suddenly you're on a dating app, let's say, or
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  Speaker 2: Facebook or TikTok or fill in the blank. Again, anywhere
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  Speaker 2: there's people and suddenly someone wants to connect with you.
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  Speaker 2: and then they seem like your soulmate or something. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it may be just because they're really good con artists, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: but remember, there is now so much data that has
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  Speaker 2: been leaked and stolen about every single one of us,
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  Speaker 2: thanks to the big tech companies, to some extent, that
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned I don't like. When people tell me, I
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  Speaker 2: got nothing to hide, I don't care about my data,
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  Speaker 2: you can read my emails or whatever, I could go
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  Speaker 2: on and on about all the reasons why that's bad.
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  Speaker 2: But for one reason alone, all of that information that's
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  Speaker 2: getting sucked up from all the free apps all your
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  Speaker 2: IoT devices, all this stuff is constantly being bought and sold.
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  Speaker 2: It's constantly being leaked. I'm not saying inadvertently. I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: in many cases inadvertently, but then it's out there. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it many times, Brian. I bet you there
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  Speaker 2: is no one in your listing audience that hasn't gotten
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  Speaker 2: a data breach notification from someone. Hey, this is company X.
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  Speaker 2: We lost your data. Here's a three-year credit monitoring. Good luck.
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  Speaker 2: And they go about their business with no real impact
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  Speaker 2: to them, and you're the one that's hosed. And this
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  Speaker 2: is where it really starts to bite you. So again,
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  Speaker 2: your soulmate shows up on Match.com or Facebook or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: They know all kinds of information about you because they
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  Speaker 2: have access to all of this data that's been leaked.
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  Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, oh, you like kids too. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you like Princess Bride, whatever it is. They have all
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  Speaker 2: of this information. They're stringing you along. They're building up rapport.
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  Speaker 2: Romance scams kind of fit into this same bucket. It
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  Speaker 2: might be a romance scam. It might be a crypto scam.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably some combination of both. But the idea of
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  Speaker 2: pig butchering is they will continue to string you along,
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  Speaker 2: build up trust and rapport, and then somewhere along the
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  Speaker 2: way hit you with something like, oh, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: made some money in crypto. Let me tell you that
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  Speaker 2: because we're buddies now or you're my soulmate or fill
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  Speaker 2: in the blank. And then you invest a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You make some money. The whole thing has been a
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  Speaker 2: setup from day one. Eventually, they have you invest $ 10, 000, $ 100, 000,
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  Speaker 2: whatever they think you're going to do. And now they
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  Speaker 2: know you, and they've extracted this information slowly over time,
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  Speaker 2: and then they steal your money. This is happening all
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  Speaker 2: the time. And as this article points out, in many cases,
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  Speaker 2: there is no requirement for you as an individual to
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  Speaker 2: report this. You're embarrassed. You're ashamed. You don't want to
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  Speaker 2: report it. So whatever numbers that the FBI and the
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  Speaker 2: FBI's annual crime report talks about this, everyone should go
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  Speaker 2: read that, internetcrimecomplaintscenter.org, or gov, ic3. gov. And the scope of
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  Speaker 2: this is massive. This article, again, which I'll post, great
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  Speaker 2: insights into it, how to avoid it, what to do
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  Speaker 2: about it, a lot more detail than I have time
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  Speaker 2: to get into here because I know we're about out
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  Speaker 2: of time. Operation Shamrock, they focus on these kind of scams,
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  Speaker 2: great resources. Beware, folks. Your soulmate probably didn't just find
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  Speaker 2: you on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. And Dave, I laughed out loud
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  Speaker 1: when you talked about someone starting paying attention to your
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  Speaker 1: best friend out of nowhere. It reminded me when I
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  Speaker 1: was a younger man. Well, I still feel this way,
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  Speaker 1: although I'm not actively in the dating scene. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been married as long as I have to my beautiful wife.
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  Speaker 1: But I was always extraordinarily skeptical and in a state
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  Speaker 1: of absolute disbelief if someone You know, good-looking girl approached
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  Speaker 1: me at the bar and started to be very flirty
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  Speaker 1: with me. I'm like, wait a second. Something is not
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  Speaker 1: right here. This person is flirting with me. There's got
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  Speaker 1: to be something going on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Brian, I felt the same way back
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  Speaker 2: then because, I mean, I have a mirror. I know. See?
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  Speaker 2: This isn't going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Face for radio from me.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, brother, me too.
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  Speaker 1: It all worked out, didn't it, Dave? God bless you.
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  Speaker 1: LinkedIn.com for Dave for the articles. IntrustIT.com for Dave and
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  Speaker 1: the crew. Dave, we'll do this again next Friday. I
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  Speaker 1: sure appreciate what you're doing for us.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Brian. Look forward to chatting with you then.
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  Speaker 1: Look forward to it as well. Stick around, folks. Judge
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  Speaker 1: Christopher McDonald. Vote McDowell. McDowell will be in studio. Looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to having him here. And then Matt Damaris will
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  Speaker 1: also be in studio with Vets and Brews. More love
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  Speaker 1: for the American veteran coming up in the next hour
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  Speaker 1: on the 55KRC Morning Show.