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TAMMY DAYBELL 'ASLEEP' FROTHS 'PINK FOAM' FROM MOUTH, INSIDER INSISTS IT WAS MURDER, SECRET AUTOPSY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Cult mom Lorie Valoe and her fifth husband, Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: still behind bars. We know about the two children that
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Speaker 1: were killed. The children jj entirely belonging to cult mom
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valoe and buried in the back yard of her
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Speaker 1: brand new hubby cult leader Chad Daybell. But what about
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. Tammy day Bell, a beautiful, healthy woman, the
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Speaker 1: mother of his children. His wife, Chad to day Belle,
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Speaker 1: insisted no autopsy be done when she died in her sleep.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned that the autopsy on
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Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell has been complete. Did take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this? After months and months of waiting for the
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Speaker 1: news on if Tammy Davill's autopsy is concluded, we have
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Speaker 1: some news to report. It is done. According to the
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Speaker 1: Fremont County Sheriff's Office. Sheriff Len Humphries sent out a
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Speaker 1: news release saying that his office received it yesterday from
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Speaker 1: the Utah Medical Examiner's office, but Humphreys did not indicate
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Speaker 1: what the autopsy shows. We don't know if the cause
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Speaker 1: of death has been changed from natural causes to something else.
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Speaker 1: What we do know is the case which has been
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Speaker 1: with the Idaho Attorney General's Office since last April. Is
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Speaker 1: now going back to Fremont County. He were hearing our
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Speaker 1: friend Nate eating at the East Idaho News dot com
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: seemingly a nonsensical situation. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor
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Speaker 1: Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com, renowned psychiatrist joining
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Speaker 1: us from the Atlanta area. Doctor Angela Arnold at Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starving you hit series
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Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaison's Death investigator Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Eric grossarthright, reporter with the East Idaho News
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Speaker 1: dot com. He's been on the case in the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: A special guest joining me right now, a very dear
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Speaker 1: friend of Tammy Daybal's author, podcaster of the Julie row Show,
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Speaker 1: and you can find her at Julie Rowe Prepare dot com.
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Speaker 1: Julie Rowe, what was your reaction when you heard that
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybal's autopsy was complete. We've been waiting a long time,
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Speaker 1: right sincere gratitude. I'm ready for this case to be
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Speaker 1: put to justice. I'm ready for Chad and Laurie to
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Speaker 1: be convicted of murder. I have said, I've probably done
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Speaker 1: about one hundred hours of media in the last year,
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Speaker 1: and I've said for months and months that I believe
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Speaker 1: Eve and now know in my heart that Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell is guilty. I believe he conspired with Laurie and
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox to murder the children as well as Tammy
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Speaker 1: Day Bell. I want justice again. As of right now,
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Laurie Valo have both pled not
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Speaker 1: guilty and anything relating to the deaths of the children
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Speaker 1: JJ entirely, and they have not yet been charged with
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Speaker 1: anything as it relates to Tammy Day Bell. But I
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Speaker 1: find it really difficult to accept, Julie row that Tammy
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Speaker 1: Day Bell, who's healthy as a horse, gorgeous, lady, well
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Speaker 1: loved in the community. I believe she worked in the
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Speaker 1: local library for a period of time, just training for
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Speaker 1: a marathon, just dies in her sleep, and then two
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Speaker 1: weeks later, Chad day Bell marries caught mom Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 1: That's just quite the coincidence, isn't it, Julie, Yes, And
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Speaker 1: it makes me sick. To my stomach. That was I
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Speaker 1: had several clues right away, within the first twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you have false beliefs about somebody, it's
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Speaker 1: hard to imagine that somebody that close to you could
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Speaker 1: be to murderer and especially murderous wife that you're good
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Speaker 1: friends with. My wake up has been both painful but
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Speaker 1: also very real, and I hope that people hear me
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Speaker 1: when I say that I have had to wake up
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Speaker 1: to the truth of this long with you know, millions
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Speaker 1: of others. But I want justice and whether the odd
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Speaker 1: popsy comes out that there was poisoning or not, I
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Speaker 1: believe and have said for months and months Tad Davie's guilty. Julie,
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Speaker 1: you said that you had several clues, what are they? Well,
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Speaker 1: Using my visionary gifts as well as the gift of
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Speaker 1: hearing that I have from the other side of the
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Speaker 1: veil and third Boyant, I began initially to have visits
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Speaker 1: from Tammy Davil. Once they unveiled her on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the veil, they give her big lookoming home party,
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Speaker 1: and then they kind of unveiled her to what was
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Speaker 1: going on on earth and what actually happened to her.
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Speaker 1: And then she actually came to visit me several times
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Speaker 1: as di guarding Angelson river side to start giving me
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Speaker 1: information about what had actually occurred in the case and
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Speaker 1: what do you believe happened. I believe that they conspired
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Speaker 1: to murder her some kind of poison. I believe that
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Speaker 1: Chad had poison people in past live. This has been
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Speaker 1: something that has been of controversy with Melanie given others
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Speaker 1: talking about multiple probations. I stand by that I remember
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Speaker 1: past lives. It's fact they started to unveil me to
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Speaker 1: pass lives. I thought of the Chad day Bell and
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Speaker 1: I had been poisoned by him in a past life
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Speaker 1: as well. And when they started put that together for me,
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Speaker 1: I started to realize that we were dealing with a
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Speaker 1: mass murderer. You know, I'm trying to think about evidence
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Speaker 1: they can actually be introduced at trial. But can I
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Speaker 1: ask you, I could give a character witness truth, Julie,
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Speaker 1: what was the nature of the relationship between Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bel and his wife, now dad Tammy. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was loving, That's what he led me to believe. I
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Speaker 1: picked upon body language between them, and when I did
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Speaker 1: since for him and he confided quote unquote, you know
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Speaker 1: some difficulties they were having in their marriage. I knew
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Speaker 1: that Tammy was on an antidepressants. I'd learned that through
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Speaker 1: a couple of his children, as well as Chad directly
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Speaker 1: and Tammy directly. I could see there was tension, but
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Speaker 1: I thought it was loving. You know, everybody has difficulties
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Speaker 1: in their marriage, and they'd been married close to thirty years,
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Speaker 1: so but I knew that they had some difficulties in
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Speaker 1: their relationship. I dis figured they're like everybody else. You know,
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Speaker 1: what kind of difficulties were they having, Jeelie, I know
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Speaker 1: that Chad was controlling to both his kids and a Tammy.
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Speaker 1: I watched that over the course of the years. But
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Speaker 1: he absolutely you know, she absolutely believed in his gifts,
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Speaker 1: as do his kids, and I believe there was brainwashing.
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Speaker 1: What did you observe that appeared to be controlling to
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Speaker 1: you using his quote unquote gifts to try to manipulate
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Speaker 1: and control by coursing and decision making for him to
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Speaker 1: receive the outcomes he wanted for his wife and children
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Speaker 1: to do things the way he wanted them to be.
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Speaker 1: Like what like his daughter Emma not dating certain people
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Speaker 1: and telling her who her future husband looked like, which
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Speaker 1: did not match the guy she ended up dating marrying.
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Speaker 1: When you say he was controlling with Tammy and their
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Speaker 1: everyday life, did he control, for instance, what she wore,
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Speaker 1: what she did, where she worked, what they had for dinner?
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Speaker 1: What would he control? I don't know those details. I
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Speaker 1: did not spend extended pairs of times with them. I
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Speaker 1: went to their home once every few months for a
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Speaker 1: couple hours, sat in the living rooms. That was about it.
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Speaker 1: Went to dinner, you know, a half dozen times. What
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Speaker 1: were they How did they interact with each other? Did
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Speaker 1: they seem loving? They always sat on the couch across
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Speaker 1: for me. I would be in another chair, another couch
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Speaker 1: across the room. He would sit by her, put his
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Speaker 1: arm around her, or hold hold her hand. I always
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Speaker 1: thought it was loving. In reflection, I could please some
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Speaker 1: control there. He never really let me talk to her
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Speaker 1: without him in the room. How did you find out
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Speaker 1: they had attention? I get to pick up on it.
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Speaker 1: I'm an EmPATH and I could feel it to Eric
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Speaker 1: gros Arth joining joining us from East Idaho News dot com,
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Speaker 1: what took so long with the autopsy and what, if
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Speaker 1: anything have we learned it? Sit has been completed, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we've learned. December eleven, twenty nineteen, they exhumed Tammy
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Speaker 1: day Bell's body, had her out of the ground, had
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Speaker 1: her back in really quick, and we're running tests on
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Speaker 1: her body. Who whoa, whoa, Eric, you just kind of
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Speaker 1: glided over that exhumed her body. Correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: Eric gros Arth, East Idaho News dot Com. But when
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Speaker 1: Tammy was found dead by her husband, Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: who says he just woke up and she was lying
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Speaker 1: next to him dead, that she went to sleep as
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Speaker 1: a normal woke up dead. It was his decision not
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Speaker 1: to perform an autopsy, and she was buried out of state.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Eric, Yeah, So they decided not to
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Speaker 1: do the autopsy, and within a couple of days they
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Speaker 1: took her body from Idaho down to Utah where where
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Speaker 1: they're from, down there by Springville, and had her buried there.
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Speaker 1: So there was no autopsy done. They just took her
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Speaker 1: to the funeral home and balmed her and all of that,
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Speaker 1: and it was really all just very quicker. Julie jumpin. Yeah, sorry, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I got interrupted. She also having fucked Emma, his oldest
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Speaker 1: daughter on the phone the morning Tammy died, as well
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Speaker 1: as another friend that lived down the street who was
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Speaker 1: there the morning time he died. It was reported to
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Speaker 1: me two different versions of where and how Chad actually
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Speaker 1: found her that authorities claimed he actually she died at
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Speaker 1: two in the morning or close to it. Chad claims
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Speaker 1: he found her at six am. One report says he
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Speaker 1: found her in bed dead. The other one I heard
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Speaker 1: from Emma was that he found her on the floor,
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Speaker 1: that she was foambing at the mouth and there was
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Speaker 1: blood coming out of her mouth, foaming at the mouth,
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Speaker 1: blood coming out of her mouth, and that's according to
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Speaker 1: the daughter. And the visual I had was she had
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Speaker 1: blood coming out of her mouth or nose in her ears,
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Speaker 1: although no one's ever told me that that is the
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Speaker 1: visual I had. So Tammy's daughter, Emma tells you that
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Speaker 1: Tammy was found on the floor and there was foam
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Speaker 1: and blood coming out of her mouth. Great, But the
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Speaker 1: story Chad told to police, we believe, said he found
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Speaker 1: her next to him and there was no mention of
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Speaker 1: blood or foam coming out of her mouth. I've heard
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Speaker 1: a few different versions. Yes, what if anything further did
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Speaker 1: Emma tell you about the discovery of her mother. He
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Speaker 1: told me she was terrified of the dad getting room married.
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Speaker 1: She started crying quite a lot when she said that.
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Speaker 1: I asked her why, and she said, because my dad
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Speaker 1: taught me about multiple probations and I'm not okay with polygamy.
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Speaker 1: At which point time I could see Chad through my
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Speaker 1: third eye. I could see him standing, come over, walked
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Speaker 1: to her and she got nervous and said, I've got
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Speaker 1: to go. My dad's here. So when the dad show up,
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Speaker 1: she quit talking right And I've never talked to Emma,
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Speaker 1: any of the kids, or Chad. I've never talked to
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Speaker 1: the kids. Chad told his kids not to respond to
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Speaker 1: my textrophone calls. He does know some of my gifts,
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Speaker 1: but not all of them. On October first, three weeks
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Speaker 1: before Tammy died, Chad Daybill called me the first time
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Speaker 1: since March of two thousand, two thousand nineteen. I questioned
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Speaker 1: him on some of the visuals that I had related to,
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Speaker 1: basically seeing him barry bones in their pet cemetery and
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Speaker 1: having a bonfire, and he gave me a storyline of
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Speaker 1: burying chickens and ducks and a goat that got cotton.
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Speaker 1: Is Spence Well I didn't hear the last thing barry
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Speaker 1: chickens and ducks and what a goat that got cotton
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Speaker 1: is spence. So he gave me that explanation and deny
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Speaker 1: even burying bones. Yeah, he gave me that explanation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I said to him, among other things, so did you
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Speaker 1: guys like have some chickens or ducks stye or something.
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Speaker 1: He laughed nervously with this awkward laugh, He guess, and
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Speaker 1: he goes yeah. And I said did you bury him
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Speaker 1: like in your pet cemetery? And he said yeah, and
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Speaker 1: then he offered up, Oh, and we had a neighbor's
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Speaker 1: goat get caught in the fence. I had to shoot
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Speaker 1: and kill it and bury that too. And then after
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Speaker 1: that I had a visit what a goat? And then
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Speaker 1: after that I had a visual because I connected to
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Speaker 1: his energy and I could see what was in his brain,
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Speaker 1: or at least some of it. But I didn't have
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Speaker 1: like a super clear connection. And I said, did you
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Speaker 1: have something of blondfire? And he said yeah. I had
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Speaker 1: to burn some leaves and sticks climb stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I see the last hours the autopsy of Tammy day
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Speaker 1: Bell otherwise healthy, young, and vibrant who died in her sleep,
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Speaker 1: according to her husband, Chad, has been completed. What, if
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Speaker 1: anything does it reveal? Very curious that the findings of
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Speaker 1: the autopsy have been kept secret thus far. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KSLTV news. Tammy had allegedly
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Speaker 1: died in her sleep. They found her in bed, They
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Speaker 1: didn't know the causes. Mandy wasn't shock. I talked to
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Speaker 1: her the day before she died. She says. During that
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Speaker 1: last visit with Tammy, something fell to off and she
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Speaker 1: seemed maybe kind of frustrated, and that wasn't typical for her.
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Speaker 1: Things got strangers. Mandy and multiple friends tell KSL that
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Speaker 1: Tammy's husband, Chad Daybell, refused to have an autopsy performed.
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Speaker 1: With so many investigations now involving Chad, Mandy hopes to
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Speaker 1: find closure for her friend. I just can't help but
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Speaker 1: think that I want to know what happened to Tammy.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all Star panel. Eric Grossarth, reporter, East
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Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com. Jess got Morgan, death investigator, doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, psychiatrists, Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial lawyer, an anchor
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Speaker 1: at Court TV, Mac Julie Row very close friend with
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Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell and Chad day Bell. She's an author
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Speaker 1: and a podcaster of The Julie Row Show and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Julie row Prepare dot com. Julie,
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Speaker 1: I'm just learning so much from you. I'm curious. Did
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Speaker 1: you have reason to believe that Chad day Bell was
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Speaker 1: sleeping with calt mom Laurie Valo before Tammy died? Yes?
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Speaker 1: In facts, I confronted him on it, on his relationship
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Speaker 1: of texting and emailing and phone calls as early of October,
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Speaker 1: November and December of two eighteen, then confronted him again
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Speaker 1: in February of two thousand nineteen, which is when he
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Speaker 1: completely cut me off, told me that I really knew
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Speaker 1: how to burn bridges, and I didn't know him at all,
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Speaker 1: that he was having marital issues and financial issues, and
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Speaker 1: he was done communicating with me for the near foreseeing future.
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Speaker 1: So he admitted to you he had marital problems right. Well,
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Speaker 1: I had already known it because I did some free
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Speaker 1: client sessions for him. Did he reveal what his marital
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Speaker 1: problems were? He revealed and he claimed they were? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: What did he claim? Well? Do the client privilege? I
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Speaker 1: don't feel that I should broadcast that publicly, although I
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Speaker 1: have shared it with police, well not with police, but
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Speaker 1: with FBI. Okay, do you believe the privilege exists even
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Speaker 1: though you believe he killed his wife? Can you repeat that?
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Speaker 1: Do I believe what you believe? He killed his wife,
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Speaker 1: but you think the counsel or privilege still exists between
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Speaker 1: the two of you. I believe we haven't doing investigation.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to withhold that until Yeah. I respect that,
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Speaker 1: but you're telling me you did believe he was having
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Speaker 1: sex with Lorie David Lorie Valle before Tammy died. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I got confirmation of that. And this might sound weird
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Speaker 1: to people. I got confirmation with that. I wondered all
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Speaker 1: year in twenty nineteen how involved they were if there
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Speaker 1: had been a physical relationships, like I could see from
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Speaker 1: a distance with my gifts that there had been some
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Speaker 1: physical but I could not see how much of an attachment.
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Speaker 1: I am able to see the energy fields, the auras
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Speaker 1: and the energy connections that people carry in their systems,
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Speaker 1: And when I was on the phone with him on
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Speaker 1: October first, it was then verified to me through those
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Speaker 1: When I asked him about an emotional affair he'd had
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Speaker 1: with a woman before Laurie, and I asked him if
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Speaker 1: he was still in touch with her. His energy shifted
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Speaker 1: and I saw Laurie's energy body attached to Chad, which
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Speaker 1: confirmed to me that they had had sexual relations. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that Chad day Bell told at least one
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Speaker 1: woman he was married to her in a previous life?
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Speaker 1: I told several, and then I believe that that would
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Speaker 1: be a reason that he would then basically hit on
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Speaker 1: the woman, saying, well, we were married before in another life,
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Speaker 1: so why not right justify of the adultery. Do you
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Speaker 1: think Tammy day Belle had any idea what was going on?
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Speaker 1: I know they were having tension about Lorie Vala specifically.
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Speaker 1: I believe Tammy started to wake up to it in
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Speaker 1: the summer of twenty eighteen, and that's about the last
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Speaker 1: time I far her. Chad kept me away from her purposefully.
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Speaker 1: Why do you believe she started, as you say, waking up.
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Speaker 1: I think most women can tell when their husband is
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Speaker 1: having relations with someone else or of feelings with someone else.
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Speaker 1: So how long has it been since you've been able
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Speaker 1: to speak to any of Tammy's children? The last time
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Speaker 1: I spoke to anyone was Emma day Belt on the
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Speaker 1: morning of the Saturday after Tammy dies. The Tammy died
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night on a Friday night.
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Speaker 1: I talked to Emma at one fifteen Mountain standard time
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Speaker 1: for forty minutes on that Saturday. Did she really believe
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Speaker 1: her mom died of natural causes? My understanding through a
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Speaker 1: friend of the family who lives down the street from Chad,
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Speaker 1: I got confirmation, which is what basically God's been telling
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Speaker 1: me for months and months and months, is that the
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Speaker 1: Dayvilled children have mixed energy on it, although Emma calls
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Speaker 1: her dad every day at the jail to doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold joining me psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. I've
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Speaker 1: prosecuted a lot of cases that were domestic in nature,
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Speaker 1: typically where the man killed the wife. Children are often
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Speaker 1: very divided. You'll have one time I don't believe the
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Speaker 1: dad committed the crime, and the others refusing to acknowledge it. Why.
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Speaker 1: I think it depends on the initial relationship that the
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Speaker 1: children have with each one of the parents. They're typically
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Speaker 1: their secrets in the family that are going on in
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Speaker 1: different children are at different stages of development depending on
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Speaker 1: their age, and they can and I believe that they
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Speaker 1: can see things that are going on, and oftentimes a
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Speaker 1: parent will confide in one of the children, so that
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Speaker 1: could also lead to that depending on the age of
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Speaker 1: the child. So in my estimation, in my practice, it's
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Speaker 1: always about how old the children are, which will determine
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Speaker 1: the stage of development that they're in and that helps
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Speaker 1: to determine which parent they are going to be more
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Speaker 1: attached to when something like this happens. To ask you
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Speaker 1: Wilcott joining me judge, trial lawyer or anchor at Court
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Speaker 1: TV and you can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot
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Speaker 1: com as with two ts Wilcot Ashley, I think it also,
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Speaker 1: of course I'm just a trial lawyer, but I think
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Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with the fact that
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Speaker 1: they've already lost one parent and they don't want to
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Speaker 1: see the other parent. I get the death penalty or
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Speaker 1: be put away for life. They may not verbalize that
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Speaker 1: or think it through to its logical conclusion, but I
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Speaker 1: do believe that is why many children, even adult children,
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Speaker 1: do not They cannot accept the father kill the mother. No.
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Speaker 1: And let me just say this, Nancy, I see cases
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Speaker 1: all the time where horrific things and trauma happen to children.
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Speaker 1: Bottom line, what do they always want? They always want
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Speaker 1: their parents. They always either want to go home to
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Speaker 1: their parent or have a relationship with their parents. So
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Speaker 1: I would agree with you, and I think that what
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Speaker 1: we sometimes forget. Believe it or not, it's hard to imagine.
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Speaker 1: It's a power of forgiveness. And I'm not saying everybody
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Speaker 1: forgives a parent for killing someone else or killing a mother,
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Speaker 1: but I am. I'm saying you never know what goes
21:01
Speaker 1: on in the head of a child who bottom line,
21:03
Speaker 1: what's the love of their parents? Back to Julie Rowe,
21:07
Speaker 1: a friend of Tammy daybel author, podcaster on The Julie
21:11
Speaker 1: Rose Show and Julie row Prepare dot com, why do
21:16
Speaker 1: you believe, Julie that the autopsy has taken so long
21:21
Speaker 1: to return. Well, I think there's a number of reasons.
21:23
Speaker 1: I want to also stay I have an eyes open
21:26
Speaker 1: channel in each as well. We're discussing with this and
21:28
Speaker 1: some other things going on in the world that are
21:30
Speaker 1: directly tied to Chad Dayball and the Luciferians. I want
21:34
Speaker 1: to put that out there to the public and can
21:35
Speaker 1: go to Eyes open my channel on YouTube as well.
21:38
Speaker 1: There are a number of reasons just on the psychologic
21:41
Speaker 1: Did you just say Luciferians, Bret Luciferians, those that follow
21:46
Speaker 1: Lucifer clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about
21:58
Speaker 1: the fact that just released Tammy day Bell's autopsy results. However,
22:05
Speaker 1: they're keeping it secret, which I'll circle back with you
22:08
Speaker 1: Joe Scott on why they would possibly be doing that.
22:11
Speaker 1: But Julie Row, you just taught me a turn a
22:14
Speaker 1: term I did not know. Luciffarianism. Luciferians Basically, they followed Lucifer,
22:20
Speaker 1: the devil they called they've called Luciferians, and they have
22:27
Speaker 1: an agenda on the planet to try to take over
22:30
Speaker 1: the planet. It's not going to happen, but they're giving
22:33
Speaker 1: their best effort and they put people like Tad Babel
22:36
Speaker 1: in positions of authority. They did it in spirit realm
22:39
Speaker 1: before they came here, and they're continuing both in spirit
22:42
Speaker 1: roum and other dimensions as well as on the surface
22:45
Speaker 1: of the Earth. That relate to how does that relate
22:50
Speaker 1: to Tammy's death? Well, in some cases we've got infiltration
22:53
Speaker 1: even within our our government systems. But again, how does
22:58
Speaker 1: that relate to Tammy's If we might have some that
23:01
Speaker 1: purposefully delayed, we might have some people messing in the
23:04
Speaker 1: lab or in the FBI or police station to try
23:08
Speaker 1: to slow this down, or it could be a matter
23:11
Speaker 1: of waiting for toxicology results to come back and running
23:15
Speaker 1: different panels that aren't normally run to search for poisonous
23:20
Speaker 1: ingredients that aren't typically run when a body is first
23:25
Speaker 1: taken to the morgue, and in this case, Tammy Daville's
23:28
Speaker 1: body was not taken to the morgue, So there's the
23:31
Speaker 1: additional hurdle of trying to extract poisonous ingredients or compounds
23:39
Speaker 1: from a body or body tissue that has already been embalmed,
23:45
Speaker 1: which is a whole another layer of confusion for the
23:50
Speaker 1: medical examin or, which I'm going to get to you
23:52
Speaker 1: just a moment, Joe Scott Morgan, I want to go back,
23:57
Speaker 1: just very briefly on your forty minute car conversation with
24:01
Speaker 1: Chad and Tammy Dabille's daughter Emma, and that is within
24:05
Speaker 1: thirty six hours after Tammy Daybelle has been discovered dead. Now,
24:10
Speaker 1: Emma I believe is married and living elsewhere. Is that right? Jeelie.
24:15
Speaker 1: Emma Dabelle is living in Chad Daybelle's house. And my
24:20
Speaker 1: confirmation I received from multiple witnesses in the last week
24:22
Speaker 1: as that Chad's attorney now owns the house that Chad
24:27
Speaker 1: killed Tammy in where the bodies have been buried, and
24:31
Speaker 1: that Emma, her husband, and her children are living in
24:36
Speaker 1: the house. Were they living there at the time Tammy died?
24:39
Speaker 1: Now they were living a few houses down. I was
24:42
Speaker 1: trying to get to those critical hours around Tammy's death,
24:45
Speaker 1: so Emma was not living there at that time. So
24:50
Speaker 1: I'm sure Emma went straight to the home as soon
24:52
Speaker 1: as she heard that her mom had died. Did she
24:55
Speaker 1: tell you how she learned her mom had passed away?
25:00
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, her dad called her. But I
25:04
Speaker 1: could have that wrong. I know that that my friend
25:09
Speaker 1: received a phone call from them at eight thirty in
25:12
Speaker 1: the morning, and she went over there and brought them breakfast,
25:17
Speaker 1: and Chad already had the funeral planned out at ten
25:20
Speaker 1: thirty eleven o'clock in the morning. Okay, Wait, according to
25:24
Speaker 1: we think and remember, Chad day Bell and Laurie Valo
25:28
Speaker 1: both have plaid not guilty to anything relating to the
25:32
Speaker 1: two children, tiling JJ and they have not been charged
25:36
Speaker 1: in any way as it relates to the death of
25:38
Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell if he discovered her dad at six am,
25:44
Speaker 1: by ten thirty, he already had the whole funeral planned. Yes, Curious.
25:50
Speaker 1: What was his demeanor when your friend arrived? She said
25:54
Speaker 1: he was nervous in what way, a little bit jittery.
26:01
Speaker 1: He would go back and forth from calm to nervous,
26:04
Speaker 1: and she thought it was strange, but she thought maybe
26:06
Speaker 1: it was just because he was trying to adjust to
26:08
Speaker 1: the shock of what had happened. Immediately, Ju and her husband,
26:12
Speaker 1: who were there with her, went back to family breakfast,
26:15
Speaker 1: came back, and that's when they discovered that the funeral
26:18
Speaker 1: had already been planned. She asked the kids if they
26:22
Speaker 1: had taken part in planning out while she was gone,
26:24
Speaker 1: and they said no, her dad had just already taken
26:27
Speaker 1: care of it. It's my understanding that at some point
26:29
Speaker 1: before Tammy died, Chad Daybill had stated that Tammy was
26:35
Speaker 1: getting into way of his ultimate plan, his purpose in life.
26:41
Speaker 1: I believe so. I believe that's exactly what ched felt.
26:45
Speaker 1: Did you go to the funeral? I did not. I
26:49
Speaker 1: lived in the Kansas City area at the time, but
26:52
Speaker 1: I was on business in Utah County. I was actually
26:56
Speaker 1: staying in a hotel in Provo, Utah, the night before
27:01
Speaker 1: the funeral and the night of the funeral. So that
27:05
Speaker 1: Monday night when they had the viewing in Springville and
27:09
Speaker 1: I was told by my angels to go like nowhere
27:13
Speaker 1: near the funeral. It was a real bristle for me
27:15
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand why at the time, but I
27:17
Speaker 1: was told to stay completely away. The next day was
27:21
Speaker 1: the funeral in Springville. I could have gone and then
27:24
Speaker 1: gotten on my flight. I even asked my angels if
27:27
Speaker 1: I should stay and rebook my flight and go to
27:30
Speaker 1: the Idaho funeral, and I was told no, go home.
27:33
Speaker 1: I had a son coming home from an LBS church
27:36
Speaker 1: mission from California. He'd been gone two years. They said,
27:40
Speaker 1: go home and welcome your son home. It is best
27:43
Speaker 1: you stay away. Have nothing to do with Chad and Maurie.
27:47
Speaker 1: Guys with me. Very dear friend of Tammy Dayville, Julie Rowe,
27:52
Speaker 1: author podcaster of the Julie wrote show, and you can
27:55
Speaker 1: find her at Julie Rowe Prepare dot com. I want
28:00
Speaker 1: to circle back now to Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator
28:03
Speaker 1: has investigated well over well, I'll just say thousands, thousands
28:09
Speaker 1: of homicide scenes and others just got Morgan. The hurdles
28:14
Speaker 1: that have been placed before the medical examiner to determine
28:18
Speaker 1: anything about the cause of Tammy's death are immense. Explain, yeah,
28:23
Speaker 1: they are immense, Nancy, And you know from Jump Street,
28:27
Speaker 1: the corner in this case up in Fremont County shot
28:32
Speaker 1: the whole case in the foot. And let me tell
28:34
Speaker 1: you why. My understanding is is that there was no
28:38
Speaker 1: initial scene visit when Tammy was found to cease. Now,
28:43
Speaker 1: this is in the wake of finding, as you stated,
28:45
Speaker 1: a perfectly healthy woman and her children have said she's
28:50
Speaker 1: got this frothy pink cone coming out of her mouth.
28:53
Speaker 1: For some reason, the corner was not at the scene.
28:57
Speaker 1: The body was deemed by the police officers, who are
29:01
Speaker 1: completely unqualified to make this determination, at the scene that
29:04
Speaker 1: everything quote unquote appeared natural. Her body was removed from
29:09
Speaker 1: that location to the funeral home at that point, didn't
29:13
Speaker 1: send the body off or an autopsy. It's only after
29:16
Speaker 1: that point, at least allegedly, that the corner showed up
29:19
Speaker 1: at the funeral home. And here is the rub Nancy.
29:22
Speaker 1: This would have been first off, ideal circumstances. See the
29:27
Speaker 1: body in context. You have to see the body at
29:29
Speaker 1: the scene. That wasn't done, Okay, but at least draw toxicology,
29:34
Speaker 1: draw blood, draw you'reine draw vitrious from the body at
29:38
Speaker 1: the funeral home, Nancy. That wasn't done. So all of
29:43
Speaker 1: that is gone at this point because in order to
29:46
Speaker 1: transport a body across state lines, guess what you have
29:49
Speaker 1: to do. You have to embalm the body. Well, I
29:52
Speaker 1: think it would be very very significant to you, asked
29:55
Speaker 1: you Willcott judge and trial lawyer Court TV anchor just
30:00
Speaker 1: got his saying to see where the body was, but
30:03
Speaker 1: condition it was in. We have heard nothing about blood
30:08
Speaker 1: and foam coming out of her mouth, which is very
30:13
Speaker 1: very significant. Yeah, you've lost a lot of evidence. I
30:16
Speaker 1: completely agree with just Morgan. And the reality is if
30:20
Speaker 1: you know this well, if you're an attorney and you're
30:22
Speaker 1: trying to prosecute this case, that evidence is gone. You
30:25
Speaker 1: can knock get it back. He disclosed he being Chad
30:28
Speaker 1: married to her at the time that she was just
30:30
Speaker 1: coughing and then they went to sleep, So he's certainly
30:32
Speaker 1: not going to say oh there was blood foam. So
30:35
Speaker 1: the other part of this is now it's limited in
30:40
Speaker 1: terms of what it can show in the body. There
30:42
Speaker 1: is limited evidence. Although it's good they did the autopsy,
30:46
Speaker 1: limited evidence that they can possibly glean from that autopsy. Nancy.
30:50
Speaker 1: One other thing I just have to say, that's interesting
30:52
Speaker 1: to me that was immediately the autopsy was immediately turned
30:56
Speaker 1: over to the Fremont County Sheriff's office. My question is
31:00
Speaker 1: is that the typical way that it's done or is
31:02
Speaker 1: this unusual that they handed it over to the sheriff
31:05
Speaker 1: in this case? Well, as a matter of fact, there
31:07
Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion surrounding that as well. Take
31:10
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends Garna Maha a k SLTV News.
31:14
Speaker 1: She smiled non stop. She was out to do her
31:18
Speaker 1: very best. And then some friends and co workers see
31:21
Speaker 1: Tammy Devil was loved by everyone at Central Elementary School,
31:25
Speaker 1: where she worked as a librarian. She was the most
31:27
Speaker 1: amazing person ever. You only meet somebody like her once
31:31
Speaker 1: in a lifetime. Mandy says her forty nine year old
31:33
Speaker 1: friend was full of life, loved gardening, serving others, and
31:37
Speaker 1: somehow even may time to train for a marathon. And
31:40
Speaker 1: now from k SLTV News Garna Mahea. The Fremont County
31:45
Speaker 1: Corner ruled her death of natural causes. According to her obituary,
31:50
Speaker 1: I actually went over to their house the morning Tammy
31:54
Speaker 1: died and Chad he didn't seem to have any emotion.
31:58
Speaker 1: It was very odd. Tammy was buried here in Springville, Utah,
32:03
Speaker 1: where she and Chad grew up. Sergeant Spencer Cannon shares
32:06
Speaker 1: that under Utah law, a case like Tammy's would have
32:09
Speaker 1: been referred to the State Medical Examiner's office, as the
32:12
Speaker 1: state coach says, sudden death while in apparent good health
32:16
Speaker 1: is something that is automatically a case that is seen
32:19
Speaker 1: by the medical examiner. In Utah, Cannon spent eight years
32:23
Speaker 1: as an investigator for the medical Examiner. He says, family
32:27
Speaker 1: members don't get a stay on whether an autopsy is performed.
32:30
Speaker 1: We try to let him down easy, but we tell him,
32:32
Speaker 1: I mean, state law prevails here and for the good
32:36
Speaker 1: of everybody, it has to. But in Idaho there isn't
32:40
Speaker 1: a state examiner. How can that be that there's not
32:43
Speaker 1: a state examiner? Or take a listen to our friend
32:45
Speaker 1: Spencer Blake at Phoenix three TV. Not long after Tammy
32:51
Speaker 1: Davell died in her home in Salem, Idaho, in mid October,
32:55
Speaker 1: the Fremont County Sheriff's Office received a call from a
32:57
Speaker 1: detective in Arizona going to be a Tamera day Bell. Oh. Yes,
33:02
Speaker 1: I was the one that actually took that call. So
33:04
Speaker 1: why from Arizona wanted to know us? Crazy? Yeah? Isn't
33:07
Speaker 1: it funny how everything ties together? We just have some
33:09
Speaker 1: cases down here that that got our attention with this
33:13
Speaker 1: day Belle. The cases he's talking about could include the
33:16
Speaker 1: attempted shooting of a relative of Laurie Valo day Belle
33:19
Speaker 1: in Gilbert in October, or the July shooting death of
33:22
Speaker 1: Laurie's late husband, Charles Valo in Chandler. Laurie married Tammy's husband,
33:26
Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, less than two weeks after Tammy died.
33:29
Speaker 1: At the time, the Sheriff's office investigated and said they
33:32
Speaker 1: found nothing suspicious. The coroner ruled the death was due
33:35
Speaker 1: to natural causes. The dispatcher explains to the Arizona detective,
33:39
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the coroner who didn't want to press
33:41
Speaker 1: the investigation any further. It was not. It was the
33:44
Speaker 1: family as well. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. In the
33:58
Speaker 1: last hours, we have learned the autopsy report of Tammy
34:01
Speaker 1: Day Bell is complete but kept under wraps. To you,
34:05
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, I've never heard of that. Why are
34:08
Speaker 1: they keeping the results of the autopsy secret? I can
34:12
Speaker 1: tell you precisely why they're doing it, Because this is
34:14
Speaker 1: an ongoing criminal investigation. They have information that they do
34:18
Speaker 1: not want to disclose as of yet that is going
34:22
Speaker 1: to be It's going to bear a tremendous amount of
34:27
Speaker 1: weight as this case moves forward. I suspect that something
34:31
Speaker 1: has been found. They've had enough time to study this,
34:36
Speaker 1: so they're having to put all of this in context.
34:38
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, Nancy, this is not the Fremont
34:43
Speaker 1: County corner that is in control of these results at
34:46
Speaker 1: this point in tom It's now as was were mentioned,
34:49
Speaker 1: it's now in the hands of the Utah State Medical Examiner,
34:53
Speaker 1: who has turned it directly over to the SHAFF So
34:56
Speaker 1: the people in Fremont, as far as the corner goes,
34:58
Speaker 1: they're not going to have any contro roll over this.
35:00
Speaker 1: This is a ruling of finding from the scientific community.
35:03
Speaker 1: This isn't just randomly saying and this case is absolutely
35:07
Speaker 1: makes me furious as a death investigator. This isn't just
35:11
Speaker 1: somebody randomly say oh, well, you know it was just
35:14
Speaker 1: a natural death or whatn't that hell do you mean
35:16
Speaker 1: by natural death? Prove to me that this is a
35:19
Speaker 1: natural death. Tell me, does she have any kind of
35:22
Speaker 1: heart ailments? Did she have cancer? No one has said
35:25
Speaker 1: anything like that, So scientifically, where are you basing that
35:28
Speaker 1: initial response on. Well, I can tell you the people
35:31
Speaker 1: in Utah have found something. I don't know what it is,
35:34
Speaker 1: but they're playing it close to the best and they're
35:36
Speaker 1: putting this into the hands of the prosecutor up in Fremont. Kenny, Guys,
35:41
Speaker 1: we're trying to determine why Tammy day Pell's autopsy is
35:46
Speaker 1: being kept a secret. This is one of the problems
35:50
Speaker 1: that the medical examiner was facing at the time. Did
35:53
Speaker 1: I hear correctly you, jess Got Morgan that they don't
35:56
Speaker 1: have a medical examiner in that jurisdiction. No, up up
36:00
Speaker 1: in Utah. I'm sorry forgive me up in Idaho, those
36:04
Speaker 1: are county corners that you have. Now they have a
36:07
Speaker 1: in Boise. They do have very highly competent medical examiner
36:12
Speaker 1: who does autopsies and they will bring in from these
36:14
Speaker 1: smaller counties, which is actually what normally happens, Okay, But
36:19
Speaker 1: they didn't refer her body to Boise to be autopsy there.
36:23
Speaker 1: They just released her body. So in Utah, for I
36:27
Speaker 1: mean Nancy for decades, the state of Utah did away
36:30
Speaker 1: with corners a long long time ago. So they have
36:33
Speaker 1: a state wide medical examiner system there. That's so in
36:40
Speaker 1: Utah you go before your body if there's cause for
36:44
Speaker 1: an autopsy, goes to a medical examiner, which is an MD.
36:48
Speaker 1: Not so in Idaho where she dot guys, take a
36:53
Speaker 1: listen to our cut number four KSLTV News investigative reporter
36:57
Speaker 1: Brittany Glass. Her body was oomed on the morning of
37:01
Speaker 1: December eleven. We did it as confidential as we could
37:05
Speaker 1: that our parks workers ended up here on a Wednesday
37:08
Speaker 1: morning at six o'clock, lights on their traptors. Loved ones
37:13
Speaker 1: were not in attendance at her grave site like they
37:15
Speaker 1: were just five months before at her funeral. But as
37:18
Speaker 1: Rod Oldroyd with the City of Springville explains, multiple witnesses
37:22
Speaker 1: were county attorneys, a sheriff from Idaho, sheriff from Utah, coroners,
37:28
Speaker 1: corners assistants. Tammy's body was taken to the Utah State
37:32
Speaker 1: Office of the Medical Examiner for an autopsy. To this day,
37:35
Speaker 1: if I thought of Tammy day Bell, it would be
37:38
Speaker 1: that she's smiling and she's happy. By two thirty that afternoon,
37:42
Speaker 1: just eight hours later, Tammy's body was returned, once again
37:47
Speaker 1: underground in small town Springville, back where so much of
37:50
Speaker 1: the couple's story began. Sorry for me to imagine her
37:54
Speaker 1: with blood and fun coming out of her mouth and
37:57
Speaker 1: then smiling and the hereafter, But what exactly would have
38:02
Speaker 1: been the training of someone in that jurisdiction? Take a
38:06
Speaker 1: listen to our cut Twenty six ksl TV County coroners
38:11
Speaker 1: serve four year term elected positions and are only required
38:14
Speaker 1: to attend a coroner school and complete twenty four hours
38:17
Speaker 1: of additional training every two years according to state statute.
38:21
Speaker 1: In rural communities like Fremont County, this is a part
38:25
Speaker 1: time job and resources are limited. For example, Fremont County,
38:29
Speaker 1: where Tammy died, has a budget of just over thirty
38:31
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars, including the corner salary. Neighboring Madison County
38:36
Speaker 1: listened about twenty thousand dollars for their budget. In comparison,
38:40
Speaker 1: Ada County, where Boise is located, has a budget of
38:43
Speaker 1: just over three million dollars. So to you, actually, Wilcott,
38:48
Speaker 1: we can't really blame the county coroner because all they
38:51
Speaker 1: have to do is go to corner school and have
38:53
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of training every two years. There's nothing
38:58
Speaker 1: to suggest it even if they thought me need an autopsy,
39:01
Speaker 1: that the county corner could have done it. Yeah, I
39:05
Speaker 1: agree with you, and you know this is an issue.
39:07
Speaker 1: It just Scott and I have talked about this all
39:08
Speaker 1: over the nation in different jurisdictions. George is not that
39:11
Speaker 1: different in terms of sometimes the structure and the county
39:14
Speaker 1: versus and the lack of training. It all boils down
39:17
Speaker 1: to that and it creates an issue when you need
39:19
Speaker 1: an autopy like this, Nancy, I gotta say, do you
39:22
Speaker 1: have This is a question I would ask, do you
39:24
Speaker 1: have a set of car keys, do you have full
39:25
Speaker 1: tank of gas? Do you have pair rubber gloves? Get
39:29
Speaker 1: in your car and go to the scene. It don't
39:31
Speaker 1: cost a lot and at least examine the body in
39:35
Speaker 1: the bedroom. It's not a matter of cost or even
39:39
Speaker 1: you know, and people can say, well they only get
39:41
Speaker 1: this this brief corner school I'm talking about. You've been
39:44
Speaker 1: elected to do a position, Go and do your job.
39:48
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. If you've got something
39:50
Speaker 1: more important to do, then deal with death in your county.
39:54
Speaker 1: There's a major problem. Go to the scene the body.
39:58
Speaker 1: What difference would it make whether the body had been autopsied,
40:03
Speaker 1: which it wasn't, but it had been embalmed before it
40:10
Speaker 1: had been autopsied. Past I'm going to keep this very brief,
40:15
Speaker 1: all right, and embalming, and I'm sorry for being so
40:18
Speaker 1: graphic and embalming. You're pushing through embalming fluid into the body.
40:21
Speaker 1: You're pushing out all of the body fluids, anything that's
40:24
Speaker 1: going to tell you anything about the body in the
40:27
Speaker 1: immediate there's no blood, there's no urine, and it's all
40:30
Speaker 1: been compromised. And when you see an embalmed body, and
40:33
Speaker 1: I've been involved in a lot of exhimations, the organs themselves,
40:37
Speaker 1: once you take them out, feel about the consistency of
40:40
Speaker 1: a fully inflated or overinflated basketball. They're very firm, Okay,
40:45
Speaker 1: because they're hard, you have the substance in there. In
40:49
Speaker 1: her case, Nancy, with this pink froth. I can't get
40:52
Speaker 1: away from this. She's experiencing some kind of respiratory congestive event. Now,
40:59
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the things that can lead to
41:01
Speaker 1: that con justestive heart failure, but you can also have
41:04
Speaker 1: drug anomalies that come along as well, if something that's
41:07
Speaker 1: been a minister to somebody, Okay, over a period of time.
41:10
Speaker 1: Now you can't go back and look for the drugs.
41:13
Speaker 1: All you can look for. I think the answer to
41:15
Speaker 1: this case is probably going to rest in her lungs.
41:19
Speaker 1: The question is if they sampled her lungs at the
41:22
Speaker 1: exhimation autopsy, Okay, that they did, is there going to
41:27
Speaker 1: be anything visible under the microscope that's going to give
41:29
Speaker 1: them an indication that she was in some kind of
41:31
Speaker 1: respiratory stress. That's even that's going to be compromised as
41:35
Speaker 1: well too, because it's not gonna look like it would
41:38
Speaker 1: in a freshly passed away body. Okay, what about her
41:41
Speaker 1: skin and her hair and her nails. Can anything they
41:44
Speaker 1: determined from them? Yeah? Yeah, there is, Nancy. And one
41:48
Speaker 1: of the things that you know that we think about,
41:50
Speaker 1: and I know where you're going with this. One of
41:52
Speaker 1: the things that we look about is heavy metal poisoning. Okay,
41:55
Speaker 1: people that are exposed to things like arsenic lead, that
41:58
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You can see changes in there. But
42:00
Speaker 1: that's all you're gonna be able to find. Because when
42:02
Speaker 1: what's it called, what it's called is profusion. When this
42:06
Speaker 1: profusion takes place with a tremendous amount of force that
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Speaker 1: they're pumping this embalming fluid in, it flushes everything, it
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Speaker 1: gets into these little tiny spaces, and it preserves the body. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I've done exhamations. I have done exhlamations where people were
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Speaker 1: buried twenty years ago and their bodies look like they
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Speaker 1: just first put them in the ground. And that has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with some kind of overall spiritual apparition
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. That means that their body is
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Speaker 1: preserved by chemicals that ain't natural. Okay, So by doing that,
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Speaker 1: you freeze the body in time, but you just freeze
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Speaker 1: the shell that's remaining. You flushed everything. There's a value
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Speaker 1: of a way essentially to actually Will Cotton judge and
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, can you think of a tactical reason, a
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Speaker 1: trial strategy reason the state is not releasing the autopsy
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Speaker 1: report absolutely, because think about it, if it's not being
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Speaker 1: really least than Chad day Bell and Tammy Valo. Day
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Speaker 1: Bell do not know what those out tops two results are,
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Speaker 1: and so it's not just let's not release it to
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Speaker 1: the public, so everybody knows. They're still investigating Nancy and
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Speaker 1: who knows what information in there they may be able
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Speaker 1: to use to speak with the two defendants or speak
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Speaker 1: to witnesses to get more additional different information. So they
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Speaker 1: still need to get That's the only reason I can
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Speaker 1: think of. Again, let me reiterate, Chad day Bell and
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Speaker 1: cult My Laurie Valo have not been charged in the
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Speaker 1: death of Tammy day Bell, and they have pled not
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Speaker 1: guilty to all charges relating to the murders of Valo's
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Speaker 1: children JJ entirely we wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,