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Renewable potential for the platform programme for renewable fuels. Very good afternoon some European
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countries have already begun to vote for elections to the European Parliament which are presented
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as the most decisive in recent years. The Spaniards will come this Sunday to
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the energy surges. There are many issues that need to be discussed in the
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next legislature on policy, energy and sustainability. They will have to see the
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commitments in the energy transition and where they will be left in the climate targets
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with the new revisions. But it is also that many other important factors come
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into play, such as the reindustrialisation of Europe and the strategic autonomy of the
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continent of many more issues than we think are at stake and that we will
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now analyze in this programme, as always with the collaboration of the platform for
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renewable fuels Renewable mobility. The latest news. The first stop is the letter
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sent by the AOP to the candidates for the European elections on 9 June.
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The demands and proposals of the sector to achieve climate neutrality for two thousand and
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fifty. It has already called for a comprehensive Union strategy for the transition of
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fuels, liquids and products for industry towards the next European institutional cycle. The
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sector at national and European level insists that renewable fuels facilitate an accelerated reduction of
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emissions in transport. By road and demand excluded, to be included in decarbonisation
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plans and REPSOL. He has supplied 11 thousand liters of renewable fuel to feed
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the generators of Taylor Swift' s concerts in Madrid and that he acts on
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Wednesday and Thursday. In addition to the generators, this 100% green fuel
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has served to give energy to the production trucks of the concerts and to another
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hundred trailer of the organization of the event and cepta supplies fuel hundred ten percent
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renewable to clients of the professional transport directly, already in the installations of several
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companies offers solutions adapted to their needs. A fuel that also promotes the circular
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economy. It is produced from organic waste such as cooking oils or agricultural waste
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that would otherwise end up in the landfill produces it in its energy park of
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the radish. In Huelva the renewable mobility meeting begins and we begin by greeting
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our guest who we have a little away in Brussels. But of course it
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is where everything is decided in the European Union, and this David Carpintero is
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the Director General of ITIUR, the European Association of Renewable Ethanol. David How
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about, very good afternoon Hello, very good afternoon, Miguel, I prefer
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to be with you. He also accompanies us here Ramon, Valdivia, as
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a member of the Executive Committee of Presidency of the IRU of the International Rosinnium,
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which is the employer of the European transporters in Ramón How about very good
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very good Vigueles? So is the patroness of the rorists in the world,
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in the inés cardinal world, the spokesperson of the platform for renewable fuels,
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if that is so, very good, if they are Miguel, good morning,
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because we start with my answers in Europe and in everything that we play
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in these elections, because it is a program very close to the present.
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I believe that with Ramón and David we will be able to see a little,
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therefore, the opportunities presented by this new cycle, the challenges in the
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European Union. I believe that it has brought to the agenda an issue that
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was absolutely forgotten, which is the safety of its Minister. And, well,
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then, the European cycle, seeing what things can change in the promotion
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of renewable fuels. And, well, I think today another very very interesting
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program in which we' re going to learn a lot. I' m
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sure if we' re going to start with David if it' s enough
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for you to tell us a little bit about the goals that are set in
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the association that you represent a little bit of the interests of your members to
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the European Union, a little bit of the whole renewable tano industry. Effectively,
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that' s right, Miguel. We have in the European Association the
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twenty- one European renewable- tano producers, which are the companies that have
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and operate fifty biorefineries throughout Europe. They are distributed, well, from southern
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Spain to Bulgaria, then you can go up if you want, to Lithuania,
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Sweden, the UK are also members of our association and well, what
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we do is a little defend being the voice of these refineries, of these
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companies at European level in Spain, that presence. Oh, look at Spain.
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The main producer is a company that we would say inherits the tahanol plants
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of the former Bengo. The company is called Bertxpaide Energy, has its headquarters
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in Madrid and operates biorefineries that are located in Cartagena, at the beginning of
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babilafuente, near Salamanca, near Coruña also and has a fourth floor in the
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south of France. And now you also tell us about Ramón de Batís a
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little bit about what we expect or what we cannot expect from the European elections.
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And Ramón told me that the IRU is the world patroness of the transporters,
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who also looks with attention, for what can emerge from these elections,
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obviously, the illusion in the year nineteen hundred forty- eight, following the
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root of the end of the Second World War. It is precisely on the
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basis of the importance that road transport, the transport of goods by road and
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passengers by road, has in order for the economic resurgence to take place.
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As I say last year we have turned seventy- five years in the last
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year and already in the two thousand nineteen, as representative of the road transport
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industry, we present our compad green or the Green Compact, which is based
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on five pillars, one of which, for example, is the use of
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alternative fuels, renewable fuels, in particular, because we see it as a
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close possibility, a feasible possibility, a very interesting possibility for our industry,
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our work in this whole world, but mainly in Europe, which has the
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most advanced legislation in this regard, so that we can meet the objectives of
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making renewable fuels more sustainable. Moreover, and it seems a lie that it
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has been discovered so late that there is not a concern that there would not
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have been before, a European concern for its energy independence, for being no
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longer dependent on supplies that could be geoestdologically very problematic. But, well,
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welcome, so now we' re gonna have to boost it. Europe'
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s industry is particularly that of Spain, which is a country that lends itself
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very well to this type of fuel, to the manufacture and creation of this
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type of fuel and we, as the second country in international road transport that
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we are within Europe, need these elements in order to be able to comply.
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We don' t have any other alternatives. It is not real that
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we can continue to carry the goods from Huelva to Copenhagen with a solution other
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than the combustion engine. At this time and as they arrive or do not
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arrive, we can certainly radically advance our compliance with the revolutions of gas emissions
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of effect. Of course, but there is a little bit now, a
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second vine There is a bit of contradiction, because at the same time it
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is said that, because you almost caused all the evils of the world,
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but at the same time it is necessary. As you have said many times,
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transport is those veins that form Europe, so there is no clear position
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for good. Indeed, what I am always saying is that what is not
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sustainable is our way of life, our welfare states, in short, our
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way of living in Europe or in the world, let us say more advanced
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Occidenta, without transport. That is not conceivable or sustainable. We must therefore
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ensure that transport is effective. No. And besides, it' s that
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this thing you' re saying is very important because we have an alternative.
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We have an alternative so that the combustion engine of trucks moving goods across Europe
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is as climate neutral as an electric vehicle. And that alternative is renewable fuels,
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which are neutral in feud emissions. Therefore, it is not necessary to
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disdain a whole technology that for them, as Ramón said, is fundamental in
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order to be able to transport goods from Huelva to Copenhagen, for an existing
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park that he will now comment in more detail, but that, moreover,
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does not stop to age, to become more and more old. And,
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therefore, there is an alternative. There is the alternative that the European Union,
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in the new political cycle, has to really pose as an alternative at
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the same level as others. Not David, as you see it from lis
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completely agree that what Ramón is saying now, the problem is not the type
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of engine. It is that when we have sometimes heard from certain political groups,
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that is, that the solution of energy reflection goes by imposing the electric
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motor and discriminating the internal combustion engine. We would say this, this is
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not standing, because the problem is not the engine. The problem is what
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kind of energy you put in that engine, that is, put in an
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electric motor or electric motor that you are feeding it as it is now with
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a large percentage of fossil electricity And you can have, on the other hand,
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an internal combustion engine that although they used to run on fossil fuels,
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because they have already developed the necessary infrastructure for renewable fuel, but now,
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today, we have renewable fuels that make this type, let' s say,
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of internal motor, as renewable as an electric one that operated with 100
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% renewable energy, which is not currently the case. At European level,
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I suppose we discovered in the electric mix only 20% renewable electricity, the
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rest of fossil electricity. And this is something that is not being said in
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the debate. Not and they are generating negative consequences for industry, not at
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national level, but at European level. And this is an increasing concern in
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the discussions with the various political groups for the next elections and from certain political
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groups, as renewable fuels have been discriminated against and when they are a very
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important part of achieving the objectives of the energy transition. No one' s
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questioning. What they cost is the how and the consequences it has. And
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we are delegating the evidence that these renewable fuels offer us right now in Europe.
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All this comes because next Sunday night the results of the European elections will
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be known. You can or can foresee or some change or you have analyzed
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a little bit or David himself in Brussels how these feelings are a little bit
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expensive what can happen depending on whether one or another comes very close to the
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analyses here there are different sources of information in Brussels that are projecting what the
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intention of voting these elections may be and we have followed closely also the exhibitions
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of the different political groups. And, well, you also have to see
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a little bit where Miguel came from. We would say earlier, in the
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next term of office of the European Commission, which is now ending, we
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would say that German Uflo Monderleyin was appointed President of the Commission because there was
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a government agreement, a coalition between the European People' s Group and the
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European Socialists. And we would say in this coalition, in this previous Commission
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that we have had so far, we would say this collection of government was
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based, used Underley is named President, but everything that is the Green Pact
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and all that is the energy transition policy is left to the Socialist Group.
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And here what we have seen is that well, because an emphasis has been
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made. We would say very important about electrification at the expense of what renewable
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fuels offer us, until, well, a moment, given with a little
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over a year ago the French Commissioner and here Breton, he raised his voice
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and said, gentlemen, let us think about the consequences this is going to
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have for European industry, which does not question what the objectives of the energy
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sensation are, but it says how we reach them and what the price is
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to turn off from the point of view of European industry, because there are
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other ways of doing things and other ways of reaching those objectives. And we
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can defosilize. We would say with electricity, but we can also defosilize,
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we would say with the energy it provides us, the biomes more and more
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in the end is solar energy, because they are the plants, the solar
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energy captures and they offer us that biomass that we can use in very different
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ways. One of them is energy production, and no one is questioning sustainability.
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We can do this in a very sustainable way, which there are criteria,
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the European Renewable Energy Directive, when it is sustainable, and European renewable
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producers, as well as biodiesel producers. I too met those criteria, because
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otherwise we would not be able to produce our renewable fuels. We produce them
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from biomass. As long as we are meeting these sustainability criteria, with which
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you have supported the problem. Discrimination against these bees and fuels is born good,
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because an emphasis that we believe does not help in favor. We would
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say of an electrification we would say that it is imposed at the expense of
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renewable fuels. We do not deny the need for ctrification. It is necessary
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and we play an important role, but we must not discriminate, at European
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or Spanish level, renewable combustis, because they are a necessary solution and without
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them, as Ramón is aware, we are not going to achieve the objectives
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that we ourselves have set ourselves that this Green Pact and this ambitious transition.
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In fact, before talking to Ramón about the May registration data in Spain,
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as they had fallen in an important way, the registrations of electric cars and
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that practically everything that was registered in Spain in the next five years had to
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be electric to bring us closer to the objectives, although also, as David
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Ramón says, there is already in community territory. The key has been a
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bit of a balance of power, in which the Social Democratic Party took a
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little more charge of the energy issue and discriminated against those fuels. Although Germany,
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which Social Democratic government has also been in collection with the Mer Party that
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the Conservatives did bet a little more. That' s why, okay.
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They have a very powerful automotive industry and surely they have seen it the legias
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to the wolf of good, the Germany to the sale of electrics, we
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have commented here, it was going down months. Here, in Spain,
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we are Europe' s second largest producer of automotive in European terms, which
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above all points out that we all have well- founded hopes not that we
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can have a more stable, clearer and more stable situation The legislation of the
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last two years that has come from Europe, from the European Parliament, has
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rarely been an avalanche, perhaps because they thought we would not have another chance
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and I have never seen the European institutions run so far, as regards Parliament,
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to test different directives and regulations. There are now elections between which the
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new Parliament is constituted and not constituted. We are at the end of the
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year, as measures are being taken, because another year is coming, but
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we will have this uncertainty in mind. And that leads to the fact that
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the six million long trucks in Europe, in the European Union, are circulating
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and heavy otocars are getting older, as I would have pointed out, and
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we are walking in the opposite direction, because a new vehicle consumes between twenty
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- five and thirty percent less than old vehicles. But if they are exercising
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because the decisions to be made by those who have to make it, by
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the purchasing decision makers, of those who have to renew their fleets, because
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they are in strong doubt because there is too much maremagnum of new legislation.
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It has, in my opinion, been taken at least in the opinion of
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going to Europe on a level. They have set objectives that are practically the
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same, regardless of what use is made of each energy sector, and I
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would like to remind you that for those of us who represent professional road transport.
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A truck or not touching can hardly ever be standing. We have to
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aim to make it work as long as possible. While a tourist, a
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vehicle of what we buy, not us to move, is standing ninety-
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five percent of his life. The same objectives and visions of how problems can
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be dealt with cannot be achieved for two situations as completely different as trucks or
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touch them with respect to cars or motorcycles. I didn' t want to
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point to fact, David, a very important thing. Not that we seem
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to be questioning the objectives. I don' t think anyone is questioning the
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objectives anymore. Of course, from the platform for renewable fuels. We are
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absolutely committed to emissions neutrality by two thousand and fifty. The question is how
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we achieve those objectives. No. I believe that Europe needs to rethink in
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this political cycle how it wants to achieve these objectives, because, as David
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said, the objective, which is not electrifying, is to achieve emissions neutrality,
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as we said, and for that number of emissions there are many paths.
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And I think that in this cycle what has to be proposed is that
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it is the best thing for the citizen and for the European company, because,
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moreover, we are in a kind of clamp between China and the United
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States that they are, that they are promoting all the technologies and being much
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more technologically neutral in this transition and I believe that that is good for the
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whole of society, because in the end we will generate less dependencies of new
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critical minerals that we know will generate many tensions in the supplies, because our
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trans transport companies, like Representado and Ramón, will be able to choose the
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alternative that is more efficient for them. Also a very important thing that has
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done to say this is not a war between technologies, it is that all
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are going to be absolutely necessary and there will be a medium short distance carrier
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for which it is a perfect solution the electrical change, but not for all.
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I think this is important to stress that the objectives are very clear,
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but how we get to them will determine the future of the next generations of
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Europeans and there it will hope. They say that the new Commission can change
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something within the margin of manoeuvre it can have with the revision of the Green
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Pact. Well, let' s see no and I think that here at
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the end of the voices grow more and we will say that they are questioning
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just how we reach the objectives and that they propose that we say that there
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has to be a reconciliation with the impact that it has on industrialization and on
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the economy and on the citizens. There is a constructive expression that is sometimes
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we have to say combine the end of the world with the end of DNS.
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And let' s see I think that the next Commission has to have
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this much more in mind, because, moreover, we cannot stay in Europe
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on an island when we see it or in Spain, also when we must,
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for example, at the global level, as Brazil has a policy of
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support for renewable fuels that goes beyond without the left or the right is in
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power. It is a state policy that follows regardless of the political color and,
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moreover, a very well- built Brazilian policy. Then we see that
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the United States has quickly set its sights and we would say in the great
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development that there will be policy in the coming years. It will be the
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whole issue of renewable fuels in aviation. And well, there he is taking
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some important steps with the inflation reduction aut the famous and the IRA and the
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IRA And well, he is putting in the measures of credits credit tags and
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against taxes to pay, after they will greatly stimulate industrial and technological development.
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So the United States, here is preparing the accelerator, has a program within
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the IRA the fortieth day we would say, it' s going to make
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it easier for U S producers, well, to qualify for these tax credits
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and a production of rheumatable fuels that meet at least that fifty percent savings in
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greenhouse gas emissions. And well they are not also different subsidies to improve their
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position and in terms of saving greenhouse gases, linking the rest to the adoption
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by farmers of a series of measures we would say of agricultural and sustainable practices
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that, curiously enough, are already very advanced in the United States. I
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think that here, in Europe, we would say are almost beginning. It
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is not the subject of the reduced processing of plant cover on the ground.
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So what we would say is an overall US policy, which is positioning it
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from a competitive point of view. We would say and very strong and at
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the same time very sustainable to what is the production in the coming years of
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renewable fuel for aviation and that here in Europe, well, what we said
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was not going to favor the advanced ones. Defining advanced, we would say
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based on not what you are saving from greenhouse gas missions. Without the use
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of certain gestures, certain raw materials for the production of these fuels, which,
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well, I think it puts us in Europe in a position we would
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say of weakness vis-à- vis the United States, because we will
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not be able to produce nil volume or with the cost that the United States
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will do for the aviation combus study, but stop putting six. Another very
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fast example, more about the transport of the light vehicle that in France has
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with the fuel eighty- five. This is a fuel that if you go
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to a gas station to a serving station in France, you will find that
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it is he ten on the one hand, but then the eighty- five,
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which is a combustible with a double social function and social climate. Well,
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it has a price that is almost half of the edie of the 10
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diesel and this is done thanks to a very favorable foscality, because, well,
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then, it is provided. We would say to a sector which,
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in addition to this type of fuel and at a very competitive price and which,
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moreover, has a very important contribution towards the de- consolidation of road
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transport with a light vehicle. France has a very clear vision, a vision
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of the state and that helps it both in terms of environmental and climate aspects,
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but also in terms of social aspects. Perhaps from Spain we could learn
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from how France is dealing with fuel taxation, from how we have been doing
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it so far and from the progress we have seen in both countries, which
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are issues that raise that if all the Ramón countries have that goal of strategic
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autonomy of Europe. What David is telling us, we are doing in the
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opposite direction. It is precisely because this circular economy is not promoted, it
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helps us to agriculture and it is penalized fiscally, even if it is not
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given the equality it should have. Our transport operators, in many cases,
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are beginning, in agreement with their customers across Europe, to use, for
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example, what is called HV, the SAPPA equivalent, to be a renewable
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fuel that is neutral of emissions of so two, but has the same tax
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burdens as if it were of origin, it depends on barrel of oil.
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It seems contradictory that our mouths are filled. Let' s say from the
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public authorities in the sense that we want to fight the emissions of zudos and
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when you get to it, don' t have to call it minimal help.
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Logically, if you pass the example of eighty- five, it'
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s very good. When the price is very attractive, demand rises quickly.
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The distribution network adapts through demand and that causes production to begin to grow and
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become cheaper. We' ll have a very important chance. And in addition,
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we have already had the experience of what it means to depend on the
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outside, and this is a very important element. Beyond all we want to
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say, it is very important that the blood of the European economy remains agile
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and functioning. When the war in Ukraine began and the price of gas skyrocketed,
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all those who had bet on trucks and coaches powered by natural gas had
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a very important suffering. We' ve already learned that we can' t
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be with that dependency. We must have a strong local European base and every
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country in place, in Africa, yours so that we can have this kind
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of fuel, this kind of energy independence, which is also for us and
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we need aid, of course, tax. That seems to coincide in all
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the countries, that is, that we are going to look at that the
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way in which you believe what we have said in good. I am left
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with the fact that, in fact, I think that I hope that Europe
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will rethink itself a little bit. As David said, the targets. This
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should not depend on the political color it is. This should be a continent
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target. In this case, to look for what is best for everyone.
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And well, I think that window of opportunity opens and, of course,
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we will continue to defend this alternative, because we believe in it from the
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platform. I believe that in the end it will be imposed, because,
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by its own weight, as Ramón Valdivia, David Carpintero, is usually said.
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Thank you both so much for forcing with us, thanks to you,
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I don' t know until next time. Thank you very much, and
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