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- 0:00It's thirty eight. All bills can win In here, Wake puts it down,
- 0:03the kick is on the way and dock m the bell good one?
- 0:07How the hell that one home? How one? They were a party one
- 0:14not party way? Incredible? Why not combat by my bell? Jacksonville's perfect
- 0:21record on the line right here, quick kicking, look excited? Touchdown Kyle
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- 0:56he scores a touchdown. It's wealthier to face tackle. What's good? Folks,
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- 1:34platform you are listening to this show on. I am your host, Anthony.
- 1:38Find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore and that's pro two Underscores A
- 1:42n T In tonight's episode of Disguise Coverage, I am joined by one of
- 1:49my favorite guests, much like I was on last week's episode when I was
- 1:53joined by Bruce Nolan, and he called out in the beginning saying like,
- 1:56oh, you know, you gotta be careful when you say like one of
- 1:57one of your favorite guest because what happens somebody calls you on it and then
- 2:00you got to rank them one day, and it can really you can get
- 2:02into the weeds with it. But my guest for tonight's show is genuinely one
- 2:07of my favorite guests and one of my favorite people as well, who will
- 2:09be diving into a really fun conversation that we have planned for this episode.
- 2:14I think a lot of a lot of the conversation come draft cycle and circles
- 2:19this time of year, especially when you get focused down to a team.
- 2:21A lot of it is just mock drafts and putting those pieces together, and
- 2:24I think that's fine and all good and well. But the conversation that myself
- 2:29and my guests are going to have tonight's kind of building the Bills draft board
- 2:35by breaking down the rest of the board in the first round, specifically those
- 2:39first twenty seven picks and then kind of using that as a jump off platform
- 2:44in terms of how many positions are going to go and which players do we
- 2:47think go in those twenty seven picks, who's available at pick twenty eight,
- 2:51breaking things down by position grouping, and how that impacts the bills at twenty
- 2:54eight, which then impacts the bills going forward throughout the entire rest of this
- 2:59draft. In this episode, you're going to get some bills specific analysis,
- 3:04some schematic stuff, some fit stuff, and then also a ton of prospect
- 3:07analysis and evaluation and to join me on that journey in this episode, Like
- 3:14I said, one of my favorite people, mister Russell Brown, formerly of
- 3:17Cover one now NFL Draft analyst for Fantasy Pros Russ, thank you for taking
- 3:23the time. I appreciate you, and welcome to the show. Yeah,
- 3:27I mean, I'm excited to talk some rugby tonight. And I want to
- 3:31know if you had to rank me in guests, Am I one of one?
- 3:37Or am I like one of I gotta be one, I have to
- 3:40be. I'd have to be. I'd have to quantify how many people are
- 3:44and like my favorite guests, it would be it's a short list like who
- 3:52No, no, no, I'm not saying like where you rank. I'm
- 3:53saying like the people that I would use the term like one of my favorite
- 3:57guests. It's a smallest Like I don't say that for like every person that
- 4:00comes on the show, and that sucks for those people. Well, it's
- 4:04usually more like you have to be you have to be like a repeated,
- 4:09a repeat customer here on the show at least probably like three times in order
- 4:13to like fall because like once is a what is it? Once is whatever?
- 4:15Two is a trend, Three is a blah blah blah. I feel
- 4:17like I got to get to at least three and then then that then we're
- 4:21talking like good analysis, good rapport, good availability. Like there there's a
- 4:27lot of things that go into it. There's a science to it, and
- 4:29it's also it's also stressful for me, like bringing guests, which is usually
- 4:33why I go to certain people more often than not, because one, I
- 4:39gravitate towards a certain level of analysis. But two and you know this,
- 4:44like it's hard in this space to continuously have like open lines of communication with
- 4:48people. Some people are doing this full time and it's one of like several
- 4:53things that they do full time, so it's hard to get them at the
- 4:57right time, at the right moment, depending on when you go live.
- 4:59Some people live in different time zones. Some people do this as a side
- 5:02project, so you got to see what they're doing during the day. Do
- 5:04they have kids, are they sick, like whatever. Here's a lot of
- 5:09moving parts, which why I always appreciate you. You know, it's very
- 5:12easy just to be able to text you and be like, hey, man,
- 5:15do you want to join me like on this date And you're like either
- 5:16yep or you're like nope, And I'm like cool, and we keep it
- 5:18pushing. But and that's that's the key right there, that's the key of
- 5:25me being number one, he said. The keyword text. He texts me.
- 5:29He just texts all of his guests, and there's there's a lot of
- 5:31there's a lot of text between me and Martin Jinnetti here. So I'm happy
- 5:34to be see now, that's what I was going to say, because you're
- 5:38but you're also mean to me, which is what I would say, like,
- 5:41I don't know if I can have the number one guy. You mean
- 5:44to me, you're emotionally you're you emotionally batter me behind the scenes, and
- 5:49it's just it's really hard to deal with sometimes. I mean, you have
- 5:53said some mean things to me though, that is absolutely true, but it
- 5:57mainly in retaliation, and my son set me attack. So I gotta give
- 6:00them one real quick. What's up, brother? I like it? The
- 6:03bomb on? Don's yeah, the bomb on. But let's talk some football.
- 6:09Sorry everybody, No, you're good, You're good. I enjoy these
- 6:12one offs in these tangents, says as we are, you know once to
- 6:15do it. It is good report. It's because we're you know, the
- 6:17tag team champs with the Steiner Brothers live in uh in the flesh. I
- 6:20was just watching the Steiner Brothers. Actually, I can't wait. I can't
- 6:23go down the show. We're gonna get too distracted. I can't let me
- 6:25stop. Let me derail this off cycle train. Before we get too off
- 6:30cycle, let's focus on the draft. How you feel we're about a month
- 6:33away, kind of like from a date perspective close, which is it's it's
- 6:39man, I feel like we were just in Mobile and I feel like the
- 6:43Bills just lost to Kansas City again. Like it's crazy, how fast the
- 6:47off season do? Yeah? You know, like it just moves, And
- 6:49here we are sitting a month away from the draft after I feel like the
- 6:54season, I really feel like we were literally just in Mobile talking ball,
- 6:58talking about that Lion's game against like the forty nine ers, like having to
- 7:01watch it, Dude, I, well, I can't. I haven't gone
- 7:03back and watched any of like the Bills like losses, Like I can't do
- 7:06that, Like it would it would destroy me more than it already does.
- 7:09But as we sit here a month away, kind of just high level before
- 7:12we get into the meat of it all, what are your what are you
- 7:15feeling as we get towards this draft? Are you are you thinking of any
- 7:17player in particular or are you thinking of a position group? Is there a
- 7:21certain team you got your eye on or a certain round or day? What's
- 7:25you like as you think of like the twenty twenty four NFL Draft right now,
- 7:29what's like the first thing that kind of pops into your mind? Offensive
- 7:31line? Baby, that the run, the run is going to happen in
- 7:34the first round. And I think a lot of people forget that. And
- 7:38I said that with Michael Lombardi on VSEN weeks ago, and I've said it
- 7:42on this show. We I think we even went into some detail about the
- 7:44offensive line group. And I was on the show a month ago, so
- 7:48I can't remember what I remember. We did edge receiver, We might have
- 7:51even done corner and that might be safety. We did safety. They all
- 7:55go and yeah, all go, man, even that too, Like it
- 7:57was like a month ago ago or a month ago ago, obvious, a
- 8:00month ago, but we were, yeah, breaking down like what the watch
- 8:01for heading into the combine, And now combine's done and dusted and we're getting
- 8:05ready to cruise into the drip free agency already, like we're twenty nine days
- 8:09away. But I think I feel most confident about the offensive line. I
- 8:13always trust my analysis there. Sure there's a miss or two, but I
- 8:16always trust how I feel on those guys, and I feel like I I've
- 8:20got a pretty good grasp there, and I've got a good grasp on you
- 8:24know, all eleven positions essentially. But it's one of those things where,
- 8:30yeah, a month ago, I was like, oh man, I'm struggling
- 8:33here because I was so I felt so far behind, and now I feel
- 8:37like I'm caught up, and I'm like, okay, now I got to
- 8:39watch some more players. I got to get to the one hundred and twenty
- 8:43five mark, the one hundred and fifty marks. So we're you know,
- 8:46we're in the low one hundred. It's like one O eight or one O
- 8:48nine. But I feel good. I'm feeling pretty good about it. So
- 8:52no, I'm excited. I'm excited to do this. I love doing this
- 8:54with you, and yeah, I love the questions that we have out or
- 9:00that you have outlined for us. I'm excited. I'm very excited too.
- 9:03And you know it's funny too. You mentioned in like the board like I've
- 9:05I've pushed it every year. Like when I first started doing this, I
- 9:09was like, Okay, let me have a top one hundred, and then
- 9:11I was like top one twenty five, top one fifty. And this year
- 9:13I was like, I'm just gonna go right and have like a top two
- 9:15hundred, and I've been so you and I were texting about it like last
- 9:18week and watchers of the show. No. Tuesday night, I was like,
- 9:22not feeling great, but I was fine. I was sick Monday.
- 9:24I've been sick for like three weeks. It's been the wildest thing. But
- 9:26I was good. And then Tuesday night I got crazy sick like Tuesday night,
- 9:31like slash Wednesday morning at like two forty five am, specifically two forty
- 9:35seven, because I woke up and felt terrible and I remember what time it
- 9:37was, and I was out of commission all Wednesday, all Thursday, the
- 9:41majority of Friday, sum even into the weekend, and I was like so
- 9:45stressed. I was like, oh my god, I got to get to
- 9:46my two hundred, and I'm like, not where I want to be,
- 9:50Like there's so many more tiers and levels I want to get to. I
- 9:52sould like and as I was like I was, I felt so terrible.
- 9:56I was asleep for like twenty of twenty four hours, like those three or
- 9:58four days in a row, but and I was awake. I was like,
- 10:01I gotta get through this draft board and it was just man, it's
- 10:03funny, like those little things like of how they stretch you out, like
- 10:05as you get forward, it's like, oh, I'm so excited. And
- 10:09then it's like do I have enough people like Scouted? Do I have everything
- 10:11ranked appropriately? Like I always get real anal and like Tinker where I'm like
- 10:16I have this guy is ninety three and this guy is ninety four. But
- 10:20I feel like I should swap him, and it's like it doesn't matter,
- 10:22like you're fine, Like stop with the nippicking. Do do you have a
- 10:24goal of players that you try to reach every year? I don't think I've
- 10:28ever asked you that question, like in terms of like an overall number.
- 10:31Yeah. Yeah. Usually I've kind of like hard set it, even though
- 10:35it is somewhat arbitrary. Last year, I had a top one fifty.
- 10:39This year, I do want to get to like a top two hundred,
- 10:41and I do think I'm still gonna reach it. I just have to kick
- 10:43some stuff into overtime after missing out on like especially because I have everything very
- 10:48regimented of like what positions. You and I were going back and forth and
- 10:50texting. You'd be like, hey, man, like what do you like
- 10:52three four weeks ago? You were like, hey, what do you think
- 10:54of the tackles? I was like, I haven't gotten there yet. You
- 10:56were like, watch them now. I was like, I have a process,
- 10:58Like leave me alone. I no, only process got like derailed because
- 11:01I missed out on like four days and yeah, just and it but it's
- 11:05all good and it's fun and I enjoy it and you enjoy it and the
- 11:09people enjoy it, and that's why we hear we're here. So without further
- 11:13ado, let's just jump into it. Also, when I want to say,
- 11:16as Russ and I start to go through, you folks watching live and
- 11:20in the live chat, you know how we like to do here on this
- 11:22show. So for those playing at home, questions, thoughts, comments,
- 11:26concerns, feel free to throw them up into the chat. Anything with the
- 11:28super chat gets automatic priority, and I will bring it up to the screen
- 11:31one because I respect the monetary donation too. I see the color and it
- 11:35attracts my eyes and brings me away from my notes. But also Russ and
- 11:39I's specific questions we're going through tonight, So when we bring up those questions,
- 11:43when I bring up those headlines again, those of you plan at home,
- 11:46feel free to flood the chat with your answers, your questions, your
- 11:48thoughts, likes, dislikes, anything and everything you got. I will bring
- 11:52up as many things as physically and humanly possible as we go out on this
- 11:58journey. But Russ, let's start with the big ticket item round one.
- 12:03The sexy aspect. For most teams, including the Buffalo bills, a lot
- 12:07of debate amongst Bills mafia and Bills fans over what they want to see at
- 12:11twenty eight, who they want to see chosen at twenty eight. But I
- 12:13think before we get to that, and I don't mean just necessarily unit tonight,
- 12:18I just mean, like anybody breaking down that conversation, I think we
- 12:20need to first map out the first twenty seven picks from that aspect and really
- 12:24determining like who will even be there at twenty eight, which is so much
- 12:28of the conversation, right, Like there's so many guys who I love,
- 12:31and then it's like, well that guy's not gonna be there at twenty eight,
- 12:33so it doesn't even matter, Like why do we have to have them
- 12:35even in that conversation. So let's start with offensive line, guard, tackle,
- 12:41center, all in one grouping. I want to start with this one
- 12:43because I think this is probably the biggest bucket of what we're going to see
- 12:48in the first twenty seven picks. How many offensive linemen do you think go
- 12:54in the first twenty seven picks? I think eight go I'm gonna be honest,
- 13:00I think eight offensive linemen. Two of them are for sure interior guys
- 13:05Jackson Powers, Johnson, I was gonna say, can I guess the eight?
- 13:09Oh? Yeah, go ahead, Okay, so you have one.
- 13:11I gave you the easy one, yes, so okay, So all Fuaga
- 13:16yep, Olu yep, Latham yep, Mims yep, jpj yep, Graham
- 13:26Barton yep, Troy Fontana yep. Nah sweet, I have the exact I
- 13:33have to say I have eight as well. Those are literally my eight.
- 13:35So as soon as you said eight, I was like, I just want
- 13:37to see if the match continue. Sorry, I got excited. No,
- 13:39And I think that's I think that's kind of where the consensus is here.
- 13:43And I think, you know, is there a wrench thrown in there?
- 13:46Possibly? Is it Tyler Goyton maybe out of Oklahoma? Is it Kingsley suit
- 13:50my Teya out of Byu who I think as teams maybe start to do some
- 13:54cross checks there. You go back to the Senior Bowl, you see some
- 13:56of the stuff that he did, and you really zero in on him.
- 14:00I think you can see a lot of positives within his game, and I
- 14:01think there's that guard tackle flexibility. You add in the fact that he's cousins
- 14:05with Pine Sewel. I think there's some intrigue there. So he could be
- 14:09a back end first round guy. He could be an option. I guess
- 14:13at twenty eight, if we want to get into that conversation, I don't
- 14:16necessarily see that being a thing, but maybe it is. But yeah,
- 14:20I think there's going to be a run on offensive lineman and I think the
- 14:26Bills are going to be a team that me personally, I think that that's
- 14:31what they're going to zero in on in the first round because that run is
- 14:37going to force teams in the second round to take the next group or the
- 14:43next tier, or the next pairing of offensive linemen. And by the time
- 14:46they get into the sixties, they're already onto the next tier. So they're
- 14:50going to have to force their hand a little bit. I think into that
- 14:54second tier of guys. If you let's say those eight guys we talk about
- 14:58as the first because you can mix and match them however you want. You
- 15:03then get into the next tier, and that's the tier of you know,
- 15:07Zach Frasier, Tyler, Geiton Kingsley, Sue Mike Teya, Christian Haynes,
- 15:11you know. The list goes on. So I think once you get into
- 15:15that list, that's kind of like your second ish, third ish tier however
- 15:18you want to word that, But uh, yeah, I think that's what
- 15:20it ultimately boils down to for the Bills is are they going to feel like
- 15:26they can get one of those guys in the sixties. I don't see it
- 15:30happening, but I could be wrong. I mean I've been wrong before,
- 15:33but I think the last like three years, I've nailed the Bills pick.
- 15:35So I think, I don't know. We still got a couple of weeks,
- 15:39so we'll see. I'm still trying to figure it all out. But
- 15:43yeah, I think eight offensive lineman. Gill and I'm in a similar boat,
- 15:46like I think Geiton is the one that I think is a real wildcard
- 15:50too, like could potentially creep up in there, and then that makes nine.
- 15:54Either way, I think that's a good option for the Bills, even
- 15:56if it's eight, just to play like kind of lowest number scenario. That's
- 16:02eight of the twenty seven picks ahead of you going on offensive linemen, so
- 16:06you're down to like nineteen, and that's a really like fun option when you
- 16:08look at that potential run looking at it from a Bills perspective, I don't
- 16:12know why, I've just kind of gotten this feeling offensive line isn't like a
- 16:18need for them, but if someone falls, I could see it, and
- 16:23you know, I put Jackson Powers Johnson on the graphic just for the the
- 16:29sheer idea of it. Like I think he's going to go somewhere in the
- 16:30twenties, And I don't know why. I just have this feeling of like
- 16:33him being there at twenty eight and the Bills just being like, well,
- 16:37this dude's awesome and we could kind of like use him so boom, like
- 16:40let's take him and then you move McGovern back to guard and then you have
- 16:45JPG at center, and he's I mean, he's absolutely phenomenal. Although I
- 16:48do like I do like Zach Frazier, who I watched a bunch today,
- 16:52But JPJ is just in another world of his own. And I remember you
- 16:55and I talking about him at the Senior Bowl, like I just wasn't I
- 16:57wasn't prepared for him to in the three thirties, given how he moves on
- 17:03tape, like how athletic he is, how fluid he is in space.
- 17:07I knew he was big, but I was like, hey, I'll probably
- 17:10push like three eighteen, three nineteen, maybe low three twenties and he was
- 17:14like three thirty four, three thirty three, like like good into the three
- 17:17thirties, not like oh he's you know, three thirty point eight. No,
- 17:21he's like mid three thirties. And then you're also sitting there being like
- 17:23okay, like that's not just workout weight. He's gonna practice this week at
- 17:29that weight, which he did, and he so good. Yes, he
- 17:32dominated. He looked so good and he ticks like every box. And I
- 17:36think that's just such great value at the back end. You even if a
- 17:40team doesn't need offensive line, I will never be upset at a team drafting
- 17:44an offensive lineman because you always need offensive lineman, Like I don't care.
- 17:48Offensive line and corner for me is always those spots where like you can never
- 17:52have enough offensive lineman and you can never have enough corners. And especially too,
- 17:56with that conversation, I know for people of you know, help Josh
- 18:00Allen and help Josh Allen, and I know a lot of that has been
- 18:03Like from a weapons standpoint, helping him with the offensive line is so tremendous
- 18:07idea too. And I could see if one of these, especially from a
- 18:11versatility standpoint, if JPJ is there or our boy Graham Barton if he's potentially
- 18:17there, like the idea, especially with Barton, who offers you like every
- 18:21position flex potentially with what he did at Duke, Like you could do guard,
- 18:23center and tackle, Like that's a really fun option. Yeah, tackle
- 18:26over. It's so interesting to see if they do go a line there,
- 18:32but for the wide receiver only people in the first round or potentially other positions.
- 18:37I do think that's the biggest bucket of players that get dropped into that
- 18:40first round. Like I'm in the same spot like like like, like we
- 18:42said, I think the floor realistically, like I think eight is a very
- 18:47safe bet with potentially again, I think if you could get to like nine
- 18:52with Guiton or I know, you know dude from Byu is really I'm just
- 18:56refused to say his last names. I mispronounced it like all the time.
- 19:00Sure, yeah, whatever you say. And he he's rising up boards too,
- 19:04you know what's funny too, Like I felt that way about Fatanu from
- 19:08Washington and then I just nailed his name. And for whatever it is,
- 19:11I just can't get Suemataia's name right. Oh. I guink it's a game
- 19:15close there. I just can't get it, Like it I don't know if
- 19:18it's all the vowels. It's driving me absolutely nuts. Yeah, but he's
- 19:23like he's starting to rise up a little bit, like people are starting to
- 19:26throw him into first round conversation. Like I think once the once the entire
- 19:30first round is done, I think you could see nine or ten offensive linemen
- 19:36truly being off the board. But in that first twenty seven, I think
- 19:37eight is the floor. Yeah. No, I'm with you one hundred percent,
- 19:42and I think that's why the Buffalo Bills will be faced. And if
- 19:47just to anybody out here watching and to you, if I say the Detroit
- 19:49Lions and we're talking about the Bills, it's my apologies. I do Lions
- 19:55stuff and they like a couple times already, I've caught myself in my head,
- 19:59don't say lines, don't say so if I say it, my apologies.
- 20:03But like with me, I'm so intrigued with the offensive line pick for
- 20:10the Bills because, like take Zach Fraser for example, if you got rid
- 20:15of JPJ in this draft, Zach Fraser would be talked about in the first
- 20:18round. It would be same type of thing as we saw with Frank Ragnow
- 20:22when he was coming out and saying not saying he's the same player, because
- 20:26he's not. But he gives you that guard center versatility. He's got long
- 20:32enough arms to play either one. He's got good snap to step quickness.
- 20:34He is a mauler in the run game. I mean the former wrestler which
- 20:38we know Sean McDermott and a really good wrestler like for yeah, yeah,
- 20:44one hundred and fifty nine and two like and I look at it like this,
- 20:47like if he's there at twenty eight, which I think he will be,
- 20:49and I part of me really feels like he's the guy, Like I
- 20:55was thinking that today. A whole bunch, especially watching his hand use is
- 21:00an Aaron Cromer s stot. He I was watching him against Houston. I
- 21:03think it's literally the second play of the game. He's blocking their really big
- 21:07one tech number ninety three for Houston, who's a monster. And the way
- 21:11he puts his inside hand in and clamps him right in his rips, the
- 21:17positioning, the hand quickness, and you can see the grip strength just from
- 21:22there and his hand he's constantly refitting hands and just leveraging so well. And
- 21:27you combine that with the wrestling background and what he does, and I was
- 21:32doing the same thing. I was sitting there watching I was like, I
- 21:34don't know. I just had like a gut feeling. I was like,
- 21:37is that Fraser going to be the pick at twenty eight? I feel like
- 21:38people would be upset at that because not enough of the fan base knows who
- 21:42he is. They know of JPJ because of the REP. But I could
- 21:47see Fraser being the pick and I'd be like, that's a cool pick,
- 21:48and I can see the fans wanting to burn everything to the crowd. Yeah.
- 21:52And I think when you look at the position, I mean when you
- 21:56look at teams across the league, finding a center is difficult to do,
- 22:02but pairing one with the quarterback younger not or a veteran like Josh Allen.
- 22:07Getting somebody in there though to help establish that ground game, which should be
- 22:11very important for this team for how much they use Josh Allen, and then
- 22:15obviously trying to get James Cook the football and running with him and doing that
- 22:18type of stuff. Getting that guy that could come out and help identify pre
- 22:22Snap is a good leader, which is everything that he is, like pre
- 22:26snap stuff. There are glimpses on tape where and I believe they were playing
- 22:30Texas. There's a glimpse where he is picking up a line stunt in a
- 22:34blitz at the same time, and like he identifies it, he picks it
- 22:38up. He's quick enough to do it, and it's like, wait a
- 22:41minute, this is a guy. His head is always on a swivel,
- 22:45like you're watching, like he's handling so much here and scanning here and then
- 22:48what I love too in typical fashion, like if nobody comes, he's like,
- 22:52all right, cool, I'm just gonna finish find and work here and
- 22:55bury the dude who I've just had my hand. He's always alert, yeah,
- 23:00and that's I mean, you're it's like you're in my mock draft three
- 23:03point zero or something like. It's just I I don't know. I circle
- 23:08in on him. And I always kind of create a mini board, if
- 23:11you will, for players that I think fit certain teams, and you obviously
- 23:18get kind of caught up in the consensus of what like makes sense, But
- 23:21then you've got to create two or three players that could be sleepers or just
- 23:26fits because of the number of times that they visited with that player, the
- 23:30interest in that player, or schematically how they fit off of need or value
- 23:34or whatever it's going to be. And I think Center is a sneaky need
- 23:38for the Bills. I don't think he gets talked about enough because everybody wants
- 23:42Worthy or Mitchell from Texas, and look, I love Mitchell, you love
- 23:48Worthy. We like both players. But there's a reason to why. When
- 23:52you look into big boards, the three receivers are in the top five and
- 23:56the top ten, and then there's a significant drop off. So so it's
- 24:00the same question that you could have to the New England Patriots or the New
- 24:03York Giants or the Minnesota Vikings, whoever's going up for a quarterback. Let's
- 24:07take the Patriots, for example, within the Bills division. If their two
- 24:11guys are Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams and both those guys are gone, this
- 24:15is a team that's projected to win four and a half games next year.
- 24:18Do you really think they're going to force their hand at the quarterback position,
- 24:22knowing the hit and miss percentage of that position. Probably not. So why
- 24:26should the Bills force their hand at receiver just because it's a sexy new toy.
- 24:32It doesn't make sense because you're not necessarily going to hit at that position,
- 24:36because if you go back and look at previous drafts over the years,
- 24:38there's a lot of guys out there on Twitter and in the national media,
- 24:44and myself included that, like the whole hell of a lot of receivers,
- 24:47and a whole hell of a lot of those receivers are on their third fourth
- 24:49team in the NFL right now, and it wasn't that long ago. So
- 24:52it's like me personally, the safe pick is the offensive line. I think
- 24:56the Bills need a draft safe in Round one. They have a ton of
- 25:00capital for Day two and Day three. They can get sexy then hit the
- 25:03home run and maybe it's a maybe it's a double, maybe it's a single.
- 25:07Take a guy like Zach Frasier, and I think that's what I think,
- 25:11that's what he is. I really think he would be the guy that
- 25:14is a no brainer for them. Yeah, I've I was literally, like
- 25:18I said, I was watching him today and I just I don't know what
- 25:21it was, and really I wish I could quantify it, but I was
- 25:22just sitting here watching him and I was like, he I just feel it.
- 25:26At like pick twenty eight, like I think he would be there,
- 25:30and it does make sense to that degree, especially given again, and we'll
- 25:33have this conversation as we go forward, but given what you could still get
- 25:37at wide receiver in round two. Again, it might not be the specific
- 25:41player that you like. If you love, you know, ad Mitchell,
- 25:45you don't take him at twenty eight. You're not getting him at pick sixty
- 25:48if you're the Bills. But that doesn't mean you can't get You still can't
- 25:52get a really good wide receiver at sixty, which is the whole point of
- 25:56how deep this class is and what you can get. You could still get
- 25:59a receiver too, and even potentially one that still has wide receiver one upside
- 26:03based on who falls and what happens. Yeah, I'm very interested in the
- 26:07old line piece and the other thing with the receivers too, and maybe we
- 26:11shift focus to receivers. But with that, I mean, I don't know,
- 26:15I'm just spit on. But with the receivers, like you have to
- 26:18find Diggs, whatever happens with his situation, will see if there is even
- 26:22a situation. I don't know what to make of that. I'm just on
- 26:23the outside. I can't go from a financial perspective. It is no like
- 26:30he he would have to be an absolute toxic nightmare for them to move him
- 26:37because of how bad the financials are. So, like, to put it
- 26:41in perspectively, if they do move him, that is literally them saying,
- 26:45even if it's not explicitly them saying, that's them saying, this dude is
- 26:48such a problem, we're willing to chop off both of our arms financially just
- 26:53to get him out the door. Right. I don't think it's gonna get
- 26:56I don't think it's at that point. I don't think it's gonna get to
- 26:59that point. But yeah, there's such a problem from a dead cap perspective.
- 27:03Yeah, he also from a dead cap perspective. Not to get off
- 27:04to too off track, I was looking at Dak Prescott's contract today because of
- 27:07the news he's got a dead cap hit this year of sixty six million dollars
- 27:11and his cap hit is fifty five. Like, it's wild what his cap
- 27:17number is It digs isn't to that level, but it's wild as well.
- 27:19Yeah, And I think that's how like people say the salary cap doesn't exist,
- 27:23You're probably right, it doesn't to an extent because these teams are worth
- 27:26billions and billions of dollars. But at the same time, the structures of
- 27:30these deals is why there's so much cap flexibility because however they structure it,
- 27:36and I don't know all the financials and all the technical terms. We need
- 27:38Greg Tomson for that. But it's one of those things where like, uh,
- 27:42it's one of those things where like you're you're paying them fifty five million
- 27:47dollars on the year, but then there's another sixty million dollars behind it because
- 27:49if you get rid of like, there's just so much financial gurus the number
- 27:52rap behind it. I just I don't know. But talking about receivers,
- 27:57Digs, Curtis, Amuel Khalil, Shakir maccollins, not saying mac Collins is
- 28:03a you know, it's gonna move the needle tremendously that you don't take that
- 28:07guy at twenty eight. But I'm I'm operating under the assumption that, yes,
- 28:11Mitchell Thomas, those guys are gone. So you get rid of the
- 28:15top five guys with Mitchell Thomas and then obviously the consensus top three. Now
- 28:21you're forcing your hand at what Keon Coleman doesn't create a bunch of separation.
- 28:25That was what I think that was the problem with Gabe Davis, right,
- 28:27I don't know, Like yeah, so, I mean it's like one of
- 28:30those things like do you you you have Dalton Kincaid, like you've you've spent
- 28:36the capital on the weapons. You now have to spend the capital on the
- 28:38product or on the protection and getting things going, and they're they haven't really
- 28:44done that, Like they've brought in guys like you know who we're talking about
- 28:48here with with with the center mc McDermott and or McGovern excuse me. And
- 28:55it's it's one of those things where like you brought in that guy for sexually
- 28:59pennies on the but you let go of Mitch Morse because he can't stay healthy,
- 29:03Like you just you got to bite the bullet here and you've got to
- 29:06get a quality center on the interior. And when you fit the profile that
- 29:10the Bills look for in football players, it's just a no brainer to me.
- 29:12So that's fair. Let's uh. I was gonna go QBS next,
- 29:15but let's stick to the wide receiver group since we've already talked about it a
- 29:18little bit. So first twenty seven picks you kind of alluded to it already.
- 29:22The Big three Marvin Harrison Junior, Elie Neighbors, Roumwoodoonze. You also
- 29:27think Brian Thomas Junior and ad Mitchell both go in the top twenty seven?
- 29:33Is that the only So you think five wide receivers go in the top twenty
- 29:36seven and that's who those five are? Yep, And I think ultimately six
- 29:40go in the first round. I mean, you can you can make a
- 29:44case that Xavier Worthy doesn't go in the first round just simply because of his
- 29:48frame, and teams might be hesitant on that he had the lower body injury
- 29:52stuff earlier in the year two. There might be some hesitation there. But
- 29:56when you look at like Marquise Hollywood Brown and players with that pro file,
- 30:00there's a lot of intrigue. And when you run a four to two to
- 30:02one or a four to two to two or whatever you want to say,
- 30:04teams, there's a team out there that's gonna fall in love with that speed.
- 30:08I don't know if it's Miami, I don't know if it's Philly,
- 30:11I don't know if it's Tampa. Man, if it was Miami, how
- 30:12ridiculous ham Waddle and Hill and age like that's wild? I know, I
- 30:18look at Tampa, and I'm just like, man, you brought in Baker,
- 30:21you brought back Mike Evans. Do you try to take this offense to
- 30:25the top, but you have the need at corner because Carlton Davis is now
- 30:27gone. So like, Tampa's an intriguing team right before the Bills, Arizona's
- 30:33another one. I mean, do they call me crazy? But do they
- 30:34double down at wide receiver in the first round? Do they take Marvin at
- 30:38four and then they take Xavier Worthy at twenty seven? Like, man,
- 30:42it sounds crazy. They have enough capital? Do they move up for a
- 30:45guy like that? So, like, I think realistically there's five. I
- 30:48think Coleman and Worthy are the two guys that are a bit on the outside.
- 30:52I don't think leg It gets in. I just don't. I mean
- 30:56maybe, but I would be surprised, like seven to eight receivers in the
- 31:00first round. I know it's a pass heavy league. I know they're fun
- 31:03and sexy picks, but I alluded to it. There's not been a lot
- 31:07of success once you get past the first kind of two tiers of wide receivers
- 31:12in the NFL draft. Every tier you find one guy, but a lot
- 31:15of teams are swinging and missing? Are they really going to swing and miss
- 31:18on guys that you know, A month ago we had Xavier legatt as like
- 31:22fiftieth, fifty fifth overall, but now suddenly I got to put him at
- 31:26thirtieth in my mock draft. No, I don't think so, Like I
- 31:29don't care what the consensus says, you know, so, uh yeah,
- 31:33I just I think realistically you got five. I just I really do so.
- 31:37And I also wonder too, the positional depth at wide receiver. I
- 31:42just wonder how much that's going to come into play four teams. Brandon Bean
- 31:48talked about it a little today on I think it was that like on the
- 31:49PFF podcast or something like that, talking about I think his literal example,
- 31:55a literal example was if you add a player on equal tier for wide receiver
- 32:00and some other position, they're more likely to go with that other position because
- 32:04it probably has more of a drop off to the next pick than wide receiver
- 32:07does. But if the wide receiver value is up here and the other one
- 32:09is here, then they're like, no, no question, We're going to
- 32:12go at wide receiver. And that's been my thing all along, Like the
- 32:15drop off from whatever wide receiver. I think you probably get it twenty eight
- 32:20to whatever wide receiver you could get at sixty. I don't think is as
- 32:22significant as defensive tackle or edge potentially, or interior offensive line or tackle like
- 32:29whatever aspect. I really I just want to shot this start real quick.
- 32:32Royce as Troy Franklin late round one wouldn't shock me. Troy Franklin is a
- 32:36false god and a false prophet. I hope that that doesn't happen, but
- 32:39to each their own, but I respect your boy. I actually could see
- 32:43that potentially happening as well. So like I'd be cool if the Bills go
- 32:47receiver, Like if the Bills go with Legett, I have no problem because,
- 32:51Okay, you want to take a baby aj Brown dude who's two hundred
- 32:53and twenty plus and runs a four to three and high points the football and
- 32:58knows how to play above the rim downfield. Cool. I also like the
- 33:00fit of the get with the Bills because you're talking about yes, and you
- 33:06were talking about that position grouping. Like the receivers. The big thing with
- 33:08me is whoever they draft as wide receiver two? Right, Like that rookie
- 33:13wide receiver this year isn't going to be target two in this offense, that's
- 33:16Dalton Kin Kate, and then target three Khalil Shakir, potentially James Cook.
- 33:23If you're talking touches, you know, catches plus runs, James Cook is
- 33:29option three in this offense. So let's label players as options. Diggs is
- 33:31option one, Kin Kaid is option two. Cook might even be option two
- 33:37if you're factoring in the run game. But your top three from a touches
- 33:39and options perspective is already set. So that rookie this year, at best
- 33:45or at like most in terms of responsibility, really only has to be option
- 33:50four or target four, touch for guy for you. But again that's not
- 33:52even including Shakir and Dawson Knox and anybody else that could creep up the pipe.
- 33:59Which is why I like the idea of a legat because, okay,
- 34:04they don't have somebody with his size profile, his athleticism profile, and his
- 34:08speed profile. What does he need to do needs to add some polish to
- 34:12his game from a route tree perspective and a stem perspective. Cool, you
- 34:15know, it's a really great way to do that while your option four or
- 34:19five is a rookie and you can just all you would have to do is
- 34:22just be big and strong and fast your rookie year and let the rest of
- 34:27the game come you. And I completely forgot about Curtis Samuel in that whole
- 34:30conversation. Yeah, with that just now, and so he's going to be
- 34:34in your top four as well. So that rookie, you know, wide
- 34:36receiver, that wide receiver too, even if it is Legett or Javon Baker,
- 34:39whoever it is, really is option or touch five in your offense.
- 34:45So it could. So I like the idea I've come around more to the
- 34:49idea of Legat. I always like this tape from a while perspective heading into
- 34:53the Senior Bowl. I didn't love him on day one at the Senior Bowl.
- 34:57I liked him more on day two. But I just think you could
- 35:00take a guy who has that ceiling and just needs to work on his floor,
- 35:05because you can give him a lot of that time his rookie year to
- 35:07work on that floor because he's not gonna he might be wide receiver two on
- 35:12the depth chart, but he's not wide receiver two from a touches or targets
- 35:16perspective, which allows him to really develop. And then you can just lean
- 35:21into that skill set, which is why I have a two on le Guet.
- 35:24I would have no problem with him being to pick at twenty eight because
- 35:27I think the fit with the Bills really works for them, but also for
- 35:31his career trajectory because there's not going to be a lot that's put on his
- 35:35plate from an expectation perspective given the surrounding cast. Yeah, no, that's
- 35:40a great point, and I think, like, look, I like the
- 35:44fiddle to get, but the point to receiver four, receiver five, the
- 35:49number of touches, Like, that's why I think, like, do you
- 35:52really need to force that in the first round. I just and that's why
- 35:55I still my ideal option is I would love to take best player available at
- 36:00any spot in round one and then just like, if you could do that
- 36:05and guarantee me the Bills get Javon Baker at sixty. I felt this way
- 36:07since before the Senior Bowl. That's why I would take that every day of
- 36:09the week, because he's he can also be a true act and I think
- 36:13he has some wide receiver one upside as well. But then you get that
- 36:16fit with the upside, let him simmer and you've had that BPA. Obviously
- 36:22that's you know, you're taking some risk into that there, but yeah,
- 36:25it's just from that need perspective. Long term, it's a little different with
- 36:30Okay, what is the long term structure for Shakir or Samuel or digs or
- 36:35whatever, Like when do you need a new wide receiver one? Is it
- 36:38next year? Is it twenty twenty six? Like Diggs might so very well
- 36:43be on the team. Does he start to get phased out? Like does
- 36:46he slow down? I'm not saying he will, but just all these conversation
- 36:49pieces, I think that's what starts to creep into people's minds. But that's
- 36:52why I think it gives them so many options at wide receiver because you really
- 36:58just need a specific dynamic skill set added to the group right now, and
- 37:02that get that. It gives you the entire menu, like you can go
- 37:06anywhere because they don't need to be the second option for your team. Right.
- 37:09Oh And that's a good point. That's a good point, I guess
- 37:13really, I mean, like, what would we identify the Bill's biggest needs
- 37:16are going like thirty days away, twenty nine days with whatever the countdown is,
- 37:20But what are the biggest needs for the team. I mean, how
- 37:23would we assess the team right now? I would say interior offensive line at
- 37:29least one. Another receiver sure, uh, just as like that wide receiver
- 37:35four or five, and maybe there's the upside to be like number two or
- 37:37number three in the offense. Then you have corner safety, some some type
- 37:43of defensive that probably multiple, another interior out defensive lineman. I would have
- 37:47to think, yep, I mean that's how I would identify it. I
- 37:52would maybe even throw a linebacker in there. But I know you don't want
- 37:57to talk about Edderan Cooper, so we will like Eddrian Cooper. I just
- 38:00don't want to have to take them in the first two rounds, like that's
- 38:02just given what else they have. Because you need you need a wide receiver
- 38:07too from and I want to say a wide receiver two again, I mean
- 38:10on the depth chart. I mean from like a size and frame perspective,
- 38:14like that's what you need. So you need wide receiver, you need another
- 38:17interior defensive lineman, you need another edge. I would love some offensive line
- 38:23depth, but you could also go offensive line starter on the interior. I
- 38:28also think you could throw a dart on the board for a tackle, just
- 38:30to have some added depth and long term, like I don't in tons of
- 38:35mocks aren't real, but like the PFF, when I do, Christian Jones
- 38:38is always available in like the one hundred and thirty, so I'm always like,
- 38:40okay, cool, I'll take Christian Jones every single time. Why not
- 38:45tackle from Texas for those who don't know. Again, so you're looking at
- 38:49edge and you could still make a pick at safety. Mike Edwards is only
- 38:52there on a one year deal and the depth behind him is still shaky.
- 38:54Corner is another one too that you and I were talking about the other day.
- 39:00Douglas. He didn't have an extension this offseason. He did a restructure,
- 39:04so he's under contract through this season and is a UFA after next year.
- 39:07So that means your CB one for this year is not on the roster
- 39:12for twenty twenty five. Yeah, for twenty twenty five, kyri Elam is
- 39:15still an unknown quantity. And even if you're super high on kyer Elam,
- 39:20okay, he's CB three this year, you still need a corner four.
- 39:23But realistically with kyr And, I want him to be CB like two or
- 39:29one in an ideal world, but there's just so much unknown. I think
- 39:31corner is in need because you could need a CB three this year, and
- 39:37corners get banged up all the time, especially Benford and even Douglas to a
- 39:39degree. So you need a CB three this year in my estimation, but
- 39:45also you could use that CB three to be your CB two next year.
- 39:49Maybe it's and I give the example all the time, like I always find
- 39:52a way to get like Chris Abrams drain like in like the third or like
- 39:55fourth, and I'm like, okay, cool, be my CB three this
- 39:58year and then it's you and Christian ben for next year is the one and
- 40:00two or maybe? And this was this was one that was proposed in the
- 40:04chat I forget by who like a month ago, someone was throwing out scenarios
- 40:07and was like, oh, like where does like best player available come down
- 40:13versus need? This was before Trey White got cut and everything, and somebody
- 40:15was like, what happens if Terry and Arnold falls to twenty eight? I
- 40:20was like, he's awesome, but like you have Trey and Douglas and Ben
- 40:22for you don't need it. Now. I'm sitting there being like, oh,
- 40:25if Terry and Arnold fell, yeah, that's actually pretty sick because now
- 40:31again like you have to figure out who's going to be CB three this year,
- 40:35but you have your long term CB one and two with him and Benford,
- 40:37Like there's just all these Brandon Bean did a good job, like he
- 40:42does every offseason of mitigating all the needs so that there's so that the conversation
- 40:46we're having is the one that we have where there's not like priority one is
- 40:51this. No. He fills the holes and mitigates things, so you can
- 40:53have a conversation of being like, oh, it could be this, it
- 40:57could be that, it could be over here, which is what makes their
- 41:00options and their menu so wide open, which again coming back to receiver,
- 41:06is why I think receiver in round two just makes so much more sense because
- 41:09there's so much less positional drop off there than there is that these other positions
- 41:14that they could use. Guys at Now the flip side of that that I'm
- 41:17worried about, and you kind of alluded to it a bit, I do
- 41:22see like five or six wide receivers going in the first round, but then
- 41:25from like the end of the first to pick sixty where the Bills go,
- 41:30I could see like twelve wide receivers going where it's just this huge run and
- 41:35then it's like, uh oh, we're in on the tail end of the
- 41:37run and all that depth that we loved in round two is gone. That's
- 41:43where you try to balance and you get scared because that's where I think the
- 41:45big run is gonna happen. I don't think you're gonna see all these first
- 41:47round wide receivers. I think that's where the offensive line and another position to
- 41:52a degree that we're going to get into in a minute. I think the
- 41:54run on wide receiver really happens from the end of the first round through the
- 41:58end of the second. Like I think why receiver dominates round two, and
- 42:01then you're kind of taking, you know, a luck of the drawer,
- 42:06taking kind of fate by the wayside a little bit and trying to see who's
- 42:08gonna be there at sixty. Yeah, but then you got the you know,
- 42:12you'll have a run on running backs. I know that'll probably more so
- 42:14start in the third round, but you can see probably one or two going
- 42:19the second. I would have to assume at least two, you know,
- 42:22between Trey Ben, Trey Benson, Jonathan Brooks, Blake Korm I mean kind
- 42:27of take your pick of who Marshawn Lloyd, you know, Jalen Wright.
- 42:30I mean there's enough there where maybe the Bills get a little lucky and kind
- 42:35of get somebody to fall at wide receiver to them in the second round.
- 42:38That kind of fits that tier, and then they don't necessarily have to be
- 42:43this sixty seventy reception guy in year one because they were picked at twenty eight.
- 42:47They can catch thirty five balls, four hundred yards, three or four
- 42:51touchdowns and be fine, and all the fans are going to talk and be
- 42:54like, he sucks. He only caught thirty five balls. You're not going
- 42:57to look at the usage or he sucks, right, he was only on
- 43:00the field for five hundred snaps. But yeah, you know whatever. But
- 43:05now you look at like, you know a lot of comments here about pass
- 43:08rush and stuff like that. I think it's great. I think they should
- 43:12go quick started starting interrupted. Like the chat is a great example, like
- 43:15you can see all the different options for people of how they're rank and stuff.
- 43:17You've got wide receiver, two, defensive tackle, safety, center,
- 43:22defensive end. Yeah, pass rush Matt. Matt came here and gave specifics.
- 43:28He said, three tech, which is why there's somebody at twenty eight
- 43:30who I really love. Potentially we'll talk about Roy came in and said three
- 43:32tech like RC is coming insane, safety is one, O line is two.
- 43:37But again that all it's a great microcosm of what the bills need.
- 43:40Like you could ask ten people what the biggest needs are and rank them and
- 43:45all ten will give you ten, like ten different orders because it's all a
- 43:47little bit. It's all six to one half a dozen of the other.
- 43:51Yeah. No, and I and like pass rush, Like once you get
- 43:55through Dallas Turner, Jared Verse and Layatu Latu, there's a drop off there
- 44:00just is. It's a big but it's a big drop off, like a
- 44:04significant drop off. And you're not gonna force your hand to take Brayln Trice
- 44:08or a Desa Isaac or Chris Brasswell, I mean, or your boy John
- 44:15Robinson who you love. No, you're not gonna take him, Like could
- 44:19you take Darius Robinson at twenty eight and get away with it? Yeah?
- 44:22Could you take Johnny Newton get away with it? Absolutely? I think he's
- 44:24a great fit. I think he's a home runs pick next at Oliver.
- 44:28But last time I said that I was an idiot, and they don't need
- 44:30two three texts, even though you can align things differently in the NFL with
- 44:34two eyes and four eyes and whatnot. But whatever I'm gonna, I was
- 44:37gonna pocket. And I just want to comment on that now. Like so
- 44:39initially before the Bills had re signed Daikwon Jones and you and I have talked
- 44:44about Newton and Murphia Punch, but specifically Newton. I really like Newton.
- 44:50I liked him when he was John Newton. I like him still even though
- 44:52he's Johnny Newton now. Either way, however you want to label yourself,
- 44:54I'm fine with it. I didn't like the idea of him at twenty eight
- 45:00because of the positional redundancy with ed Oliver. I thought you weren't maximizing his
- 45:04skill set because okay, like what's he gonna do play like rotational three?
- 45:08Or like are you gonna try and put him at one tech? Again,
- 45:10that's not maximizing a skill set with them bringing day Quon in. I don't
- 45:15know what that triggered or changed in me. I do to a degree,
- 45:19I am very much on board with Newton at pick twenty eight because of your
- 45:22top three on the interior which is a premium position nowadays. If you can
- 45:27generate pass rush from the interior spot like that's why so many of these teams
- 45:31are paying your Chris jones Is and your Jeffrey Simmons and your Aaron Donald's,
- 45:36like these dudes that dominate inside, who can compromise the depth of the pocket
- 45:42is just so tremendous. But with Newton, even though he's your second string
- 45:46three tech, like you're your first and second down dudes are Daikon and Ed
- 45:51Oliver. And this isn't to say that Daykon can't play on third downs,
- 45:52because he can and he showed it this past season. But when you get
- 45:58to those known passing downs and passing situations, it's at Oliver and Newton on
- 46:02the inside. Or to your point, you can play games and kick Newton
- 46:07out to a four I or even put them on as a five dependent on
- 46:08what kind of tackle situation you got. Same thing with that Oliver. The
- 46:12games you can play. But even aside from that known passing downs and passing
- 46:16situations, it's Newton and Ed Oliver on the inside, and that's nothing to
- 46:21sneeze at. With Daikuon like you would then have this nasty three man rotation
- 46:25on the inside with Austin Johnson, who the Bills just signed as your defensive
- 46:31tackle four. So you're looking at your two to one Texan Johnson and Daiquon.
- 46:36Your two threes are Newton and Oliver. That's a very solid top four
- 46:40versus the run and the pass. Then you're also looking at very I don't
- 46:45want to say very little, because that's I don't want to set the expectation
- 46:46so high for Newton or lower it for Ed Oliver. But then you're mitigating
- 46:51the drop off when Ed Oliver goes off on the to the sideline and you
- 46:54bring in Newton like you're looking at the high tier guy as your defensive tap
- 47:00two at the three tech spot. But again, it's that pass rush usage.
- 47:02And like you said, this is a passing league. So even though
- 47:06Newton would be a backup, I still think he's gonna be a guy who's
- 47:09seeing like forty five almost fifty percent of snaps depending on what the game script
- 47:14is. Yeah, and then that's tremendous. Now you've got a premium spot
- 47:16who's affecting the quarterback and who fits the Bill scheme so well from a penetration
- 47:21standpoint, that's really why. And so to hear you have Pete's comment like,
- 47:24oh no we have two Ed Oliver's what a terrible thing. That's been
- 47:29my thought. And then you're working in like Daikwon Jones wherever you want,
- 47:32like just it. That's what's gotten me on board more and more. You
- 47:37want to affect the quarterback. Pass rush has been a let down for the
- 47:40Bills in the playoffs these past couple of years, and I think a lot
- 47:44of times thought is all pass rush, defensive end edge For me, I'm
- 47:49looking there. I think the premium guy who's gonna be there from a pass
- 47:52rush perspective at best is probably Newton. I like Darius Robinson a bunch.
- 47:58I would play him at edge, not defensive tackle. I do think he
- 48:00fits the Bills archetype, but I don't think he's there as a pass rusher
- 48:05right now. I'd have no problem taking him at twenty eight because big,
- 48:07long, strong, and he's gonna play the run like a monster. Like
- 48:12you could do a lot worse than having Darius Robinson and Greg Russo as your
- 48:15defensive ends. When you want to play light boxes because nobody's getting outside,
- 48:21you have forced and boxed every single run inside no matter what. And then
- 48:24that obviously changes the things you can do, which is so I'm okay with
- 48:29Robinson there. My dream has started to become like Newton at twenty eight because
- 48:32I think he's a premier player. I have around one grade on him and
- 48:37him being there at twenty eight, I just I don't care if someone's gonna
- 48:40be well, we already have two starters inside, yeah, but he's a
- 48:45hell of a third option, and then on passing downs he's your starter inside.
- 48:49Yeah. And you can, like we mentioned alignment versatility, Sure,
- 48:53you can move him in a variety spots, which he did at Illinois.
- 48:57With with Newton, he moved all over the place. I mean, you
- 49:00go to the Mississippi State game in the bowl game that they had two years
- 49:04ago, He's lined up at the nose, the three, the two,
- 49:07y, the five, that you name it. He was everywhere. And
- 49:10that was really when I think he started to turn it on and really show
- 49:15Okay, I'm gonna take over this team now defensively for us. But the
- 49:19other thing too is like you can bring in so many different fronts now,
- 49:22like you can bring in you know, five man fronts, the format you
- 49:27can the bill started a monkey with a little bit. Last year they used
- 49:29some more bear fronts, they used some more tight front stuff like and start
- 49:34to get really creative with those odd fronts and what you can do. Yeah,
- 49:37yeah, exactly. So you get into all this different stuff, and
- 49:39I think getting a guy like Newton just makes a lot of sense. I
- 49:42mean, because the players that they've brought in on the interior are brought back
- 49:45on the interior. They're not necessarily sure things. Newton isn't a sure thing
- 49:50either. I mean, he's got to be healthy, he's got to have
- 49:52his head on right in the NFL, I mean, all these guys do.
- 49:53They got to be smart. But at the same time, like you
- 49:57bring him in, you kind of have a long term plan for the next
- 50:00four or five years on the interior to help at Oliver and help your pass
- 50:04rush and stop Patrick Mahomes. I mean, that's the guy that you got
- 50:07to stop. You gotta find ways to limit him. Isaiah Pacheco and that
- 50:10Kansas City Chiefs and an interior pass rush if you can, if you have
- 50:15to choose, like you can either have pass rush from the edge or pass
- 50:19rush from the interior. You're taking pass rush from the interior every single time,
- 50:22because that's literally literally the worst option for a quarterback is pressure right up
- 50:27the gut in their face, and that is what Newton gives you. Not
- 50:30to mention, from a long term perspective, d Kwon signs that two year
- 50:34contract, which I love, he's thirty two years old. You bring Newton
- 50:37in. Now you're solidifying two of your top three guys with Newton and Oliver
- 50:40for the next three four years. With what Oliver's contract is, then you
- 50:45just have to keep fitting in whoever that one tech is or what you want
- 50:47to do, like it could you could do a lot worse than going with
- 50:52Johnny Newton nitpicked twenty. Yeah, I mean, and imagine a defensive line
- 50:54that is featuring in the AFC Championship Game, third and eight game on the
- 50:59line Von Miller, Greg Russo, Johnny Newton and that Oliver. I mean,
- 51:04that is a recipe for success and that's what it's about. And I
- 51:07was bringing you know, I'm glad we bring up the pass rush and Johnny
- 51:09Newton because as I was kind of talking about earlier, like for each team
- 51:14in the draft, I bring up kind of a mini big board for that
- 51:17player, and I'll go are a a mini big board for that team.
- 51:22So like, I'll have like three or four players that I really like,
- 51:23and when I get to the Bills, the three players that I consistently write
- 51:28down are Zach Frasier, Johnny Newton, an Xavier Worthy. I think that
- 51:32those are the three guys. If they were to somehow get one of those
- 51:36three, they're better off as a football team. And you're not writing down
- 51:39ad Mitchell because you think he's going to be gone. I think he's gonna
- 51:43be gone, and you know when you have let's just say the Chargers for
- 51:46example, Let's say the Chargers move from five to eleven and they get picked
- 51:50twenty three. Well, if they pass on a receiver at eleven because the
- 51:52run happens, and they take Brian Thomas Junior or a d Mitchell at twenty
- 51:58three, which is kind of that they would take ad Mitchell because athletically speaking,
- 52:01like from a frame and measurable standpoint, he's damn near the same player
- 52:07as Quinton Johnston when you look at the frame. But I think he is
- 52:10a different type of player, to be completely honest with you, but that's
- 52:14a conversation for a different day. But yeah, I mean that's just kind
- 52:16of how my process works with each team and how we figure out what they're
- 52:22going to do and who they're going to take. So the fourth player that
- 52:27I would add to that big board for kind of myself would be a defensive
- 52:30back. And I don't I've I haven't figured out what defensive back makes sense
- 52:36for the Bills. I don't know if that's Kamari Lassiter. I don't know
- 52:37if that's a corner a safety. I don't think it's like a kool aid
- 52:43McKinstry. I don't think it's like Nate Wiggins, Quinyon Mitchell or Terry and
- 52:45Arnold. I think those three guys are kind of gone. And then I
- 52:50look at, you know, potentially the safety spot. Do they force their
- 52:53hand with like Tyler Newman? Do they? I don't think. I don't
- 52:55think Cam Kitchens is on the board at twenty eight Moore, I just don't.
- 53:00I don't think he tested well enough. Not saying the Pro day wasn't
- 53:02good and not saying that play speed and tape speed and all that stuff doesn't
- 53:07matter. It does, but the combine does matter to an extent. And
- 53:12he just I don't know, there's some concerns there now just athletically speaking,
- 53:16but yeah, I just I like, I don't know what they do in
- 53:19the secondary. And that's that's the kind of the hold up with me with
- 53:22the Bills is which one as far as defensive backs, which ones do they
- 53:27take at twenty eight if that's the direction that they go, because like we
- 53:30said, they don't really have a clear need. They have kind of a
- 53:31wide variety on the menu. It's like you go to your favorite dining spot
- 53:36and you're like, man, I like the I like the chicken strip Peda,
- 53:38but I like the pizza. I want the burger and the Paddy Mill.
- 53:40I don't know what I want. And that's what the that's what the
- 53:43Bills have presented their fan base because you really don't know. I've gotten into
- 53:49like the second and third tiers of corners and become like obsessed with them to
- 53:52the Bills, like the Mike Sansertills honestly both dudes from Missouri. I like
- 53:58Rekestraw and I mentioned Kad like him being in that mix. I want to
- 54:02take a look at Andrew Phillips from Kentucky. I haven't watched him enough,
- 54:07but even some of the dudes, like a couple of your boys who I
- 54:08knew you, like Brownlee from Louisville, Max Melton, your boy from Rutgers.
- 54:12Like there's all these intriguing ways that the Bills could go with Corner.
- 54:17There's so many options, Like from from this aspect, let's hit a couple
- 54:22of pieces real quick. We can just we've had so much this conversation.
- 54:23Let's just hit We've got just some quick oneliners. How many qbs you think
- 54:28going the first twenty seven, do you think JJ McCarthy is a lock?
- 54:30Now we get four qbs in the top twenty seven, yeah, I think
- 54:34there's I think four are the lock. Okay, I struggle with saying is
- 54:38they're a fifth? And that's just simply because of the Denver Broncos, Like
- 54:42I don't know what the hell they're doing. Who's the thing going to be
- 54:45Pennix or do you think like all the love for Spencer Rattler's coming through,
- 54:49Like I I know, I think it's it's if it's Denver, I think
- 54:52it's all Nicks. I think it's Nicks. I just see is such a
- 54:54Peyton QB, Like that's what I'm saying, Like, stylistically, he fits
- 54:59with what he's looking for in a quarterback experienced at sixty one games played,
- 55:05you don't necessarily like, I don't think he's gonna get much better in the
- 55:08NFL, but maybe he gets a touch better under Sean Payton. Like if
- 55:12he was to go to let's just say, Tampa Bay, I think he's
- 55:15just a dude, right, Like, he's probably like Kyle Trask two point
- 55:19zero. But if he goes to Denver with Sean Payton, I think it
- 55:22could potentially work. And I'm so intrigued there at twelve, Like, what
- 55:28the hell do they do because they don't really have the amo to trade up
- 55:30unless they're taking future assets or Patrick certain or something like that and they're moving
- 55:36a player. I don't think that's gonna happen. So like I think four
- 55:40for sure, probably five, just simply because there's so many needs for quarterbacks
- 55:46fair and then all right, so we're looking at that defensive tackle I think
- 55:51is a quick one for us as well, Like the I think the only
- 55:53sure defensive tackle Locke in the first twenty seven picks is Byron Murphy from Texas
- 55:58Agreed yep, okay, cool, same spot, Edge, Turner, Verse,
- 56:05Lot to those three? Any chance you think Lot too, I think
- 56:08of I think Turner and Verse. There's no chance in hell either of them
- 56:12fall to twenty eight, especially Turner. I don't think Turner is ahead of
- 56:16Verse for me, but versusn't falling as well. Any chance, whether it's
- 56:20the medical, whether it's some of the stuff on tape that you and I
- 56:22have talked about, any chance you think a lot too falls to twenty eight.
- 56:25He's been a hot name for Bill's fans lately, and then he also
- 56:30ticks a box as well, because again you're looking at that edge spot,
- 56:32it's Groot, it's Von, it's a Japanessa, it's Kingsley Jonathan. Right
- 56:37now, Vaughn is still an unknown commodity at this point. Can he be
- 56:43an edge two? Can he get back to A one? Is he a
- 56:45three? I do think Edge is in need. What are your thoughts on
- 56:47Lot too potentially fall into twenty eight? Because I do think he ends up
- 56:51in that mid twenties range. I don't think it's unheard of that he falls
- 56:54to twenty eight. I doubt it, but I wouldn't be completely floored if
- 56:59he fell. No, He's like the one guy where I'm like, okay,
- 57:01if he fell, I get it. A lot of medical stuff there,
- 57:05teams are probably just not drafting because of the medicals and maybe some of
- 57:08the concerns in the run game, like like we were talking about it on
- 57:12the other day. Just he's a He's a fun player to watch. Best
- 57:16pass rusher in the draft by far, just as far as hand usage and
- 57:21the repertoire of moves that he has. He's got great length for the position.
- 57:24He's got good overall size. Mean we're six five, two fifty nine,
- 57:28but long arms, long arms, Like he's got a really nice,
- 57:31you know, double swipe move. He can swim. There's so much,
- 57:36yeah, like so much that is just beautiful to his game. I mean
- 57:38it's chef's kiss. But the run game stuff is what worries me. Like
- 57:44when I'm watching his teammate Gabriel Murphy, You're running there with his head cut
- 57:47off, like his head's on fire, just going berserk in there. I'm
- 57:52just trying to go through everywhere. I love him. Once in a while
- 57:53to like Murphy'll throw a cross chop in and if it doesn't work, the
- 57:58next snap he's like I'm just running through this tackle space. Yeah, or
- 58:00they're lining him up in the A gap and he's going up against guards and
- 58:05centers and as as a little athletic outside like edge. Yeah, And Gabriel
- 58:08Murphy's a guy that I don't know what to do with him. I think
- 58:12he's a top fifty, top sixty player in the draft as far as tape.
- 58:16I mean, like from an edge rusher standpoint, he's fourth best in
- 58:21the class as far as pass rusher, Like by far, he's in that
- 58:24tier of Verse Turner and Lato. Maybe there's a step down, but the
- 58:30stuff that he can do with only thirty and a half in charms is ridiculous.
- 58:34But that's the problem. Thirty and a half in charms only six foot
- 58:37two, kind of maxed out with his frame. What is an odd front
- 58:39stand up outside backer, Like what the hell is he? So that's the
- 58:44thing, but with a lot too. Yeah, Like I think he's in
- 58:46the run game. It's the the hesitation, right, Like I don't see
- 58:51him knifing down the line of scrimmage in laying out to make the tackle,
- 58:54Like he's content with just kind of setting that edge and being there, not
- 58:59saying he can't set the edge. I was thinking of this earlier because we
- 59:01were talking about so much yesterday, Like, and I don't mean this as
- 59:04a knock. As a pass rusher, he's such a finesse pass rusher with
- 59:07his hand usage as quick as everything is fine and precise. I also think
- 59:12he's a finesse run defender. And I think that's why you phrased it perfect
- 59:16yesterday, Like he doesn't really stick his nose in a lot of stuff.
- 59:19And yeah, like he either if he's not winning immediately off the line and
- 59:22there to make the play, you don't really see it. And I think
- 59:24because he he plays the run in the pass the same way, which is
- 59:30a finesse precision style and it works tremendously as a pass rusher. But I
- 59:34think that's why it leaves you with something to be desired against the run exactly
- 59:37playing the run. It's it's a it's pure mentality. It's just like violence
- 59:42and wanting to do it versus like, okay, my hand here, precise
- 59:45this and time this. It's like not dude, like you want you want
- 59:49precision and technique, but it's just a mentality and you want to beat the
- 59:52hell out of the man in front of you and stop the r right.
- 59:54Yeah. And I think the thing too is like when you when you look
- 59:58at the board in front of the bills, Like I think there's just too
- 1:00:00many teams that either need help on the interior offensive line or on pass rush
- 1:00:07or whatever. Like, especially with pass rushers, I think there's just too
- 1:00:09many teams in front of them. Like Arizona at twenty seven, they could
- 1:00:13use a pass rusher. Tampa Bay they just got rid of Shaq Barrett.
- 1:00:15They could use one, you know, And especially with Arizona, they love
- 1:00:20to dial up different types of blitzes and packages like they make sense. Green
- 1:00:23Bay with the NFC North getting potentially two young quarterbacks in there with Caleb Williams
- 1:00:29and maybe JJ or Drake may or whatever. Like you already have Goff,
- 1:00:31you have some established guys there. You gotta get that pass rush going,
- 1:00:36especially in the playoffs. You have Gary, you have Lucas van Ness.
- 1:00:38Now you bring in lot to like, you get some options there, especially
- 1:00:43with the new defensive coordinator. You look at Dallas, I mean, what
- 1:00:47does Dallas do. They just lost Torrens Armstrong. I mean they've lost some
- 1:00:51guys so I don't know. I just think Glatsu's gonna be gone. I
- 1:00:54think it's a dream scenario that he's there at twenty eight. Maybe they move
- 1:00:58up a little bit to try to get but I just I would be surprised.
- 1:01:00But yeah, like once you get through those three there's a drop off.
- 1:01:05I don't think Chop Robinson's a first round pick. I think Darius Robinson
- 1:01:08you could make the case. But it feels like that's kind of cooled off
- 1:01:10a little bit. That felt like more like senior bole hype, and then
- 1:01:14you watch him in that three three five stack and how horrible that is,
- 1:01:16and you're like, I don't know what to do with this. Contesting also
- 1:01:21didn't help him as well, like he felt big and clunky. Yes,
- 1:01:25and I didn't expect to change of direction to be great. Again, I
- 1:01:30think he's a compression style power rusher. But the fact that you were still
- 1:01:35having that some of yes, and some of the larger conversation is still like,
- 1:01:40oh cool, you like Darius Robinson. Are you playing him at edge
- 1:01:43or defensive tackle? That right there is enough to be like, oh,
- 1:01:46like to scare people off a little bit, or scare me off a little
- 1:01:50bit. But to your point, like after that top three at edge with
- 1:01:53Turner and versus Latsuo, I think it's similar to the fall off at the
- 1:01:59top two at defensive tackle. Like I think those three edges are in a
- 1:02:01class of their own, And I also think Dallas Turner is in a class.
- 1:02:05I like Verse, but I think Dallas Turner is just with what kind
- 1:02:07of athlete he is. I just think he's in an almost tier of his
- 1:02:12own at that edge spot. So you've got those three at edge, and
- 1:02:15then you've got Murphy and Newton at defensive tackle. There's a bunch of like
- 1:02:20tackles at defensive tackles, I like. As we go down farther, I
- 1:02:22know a bunch of Bills fans like Braden Fisk, some like Chris Jenkins.
- 1:02:25I like Dwayne Carter from Duke, I like both of the Clemson boys.
- 1:02:30I like Rooke, I like Tyler Davis, like I like Michael Hall from
- 1:02:32Ohio State. But a lot of these guys, there's a significant drop off
- 1:02:37from Murphy and Newton to whoever else. Like, I think a lot of
- 1:02:43those other guys, whoever you have is defensive tackle three, I think a
- 1:02:46lot of it is more siloed skill sets, specific three techs, specific one
- 1:02:51tech or more rotational options in a good death ways, Like I think there's
- 1:02:54a bunch of defensive tackles in this draft that can be your defensive tackle three
- 1:03:00or your defensive tackle four, like in a good way. Yeah, I
- 1:03:01only think really Murphy and Newton are those dudes that are like, these guys
- 1:03:06can both be your defensive tackle one or your defensive tackle two if you have
- 1:03:08a stud And that's also part of the reason why I'm gravitating towards that spot
- 1:03:15early on, like if Wat two fell or if Newton falls, because I
- 1:03:17think there's such a drop off at edge from those top three and at defensive
- 1:03:22tackle from those top two versus what's what the rest of the class looks like.
- 1:03:25I'm with you one hundred percent. And I think the thing with defensive
- 1:03:29tackle, like with that drop off, like, are you like, let's
- 1:03:32just throw a player out there to Andre Sweat? Would the Bills be comfortable
- 1:03:37with taking him in that? You know at sixty And you can now because
- 1:03:40you've got Daique and Austin Johnson like, and he's he's a one ten times
- 1:03:45a million, So then like, what are you doing unless they feel comfortable
- 1:03:50enough like, Okay, this guy can play you know, second and short,
- 1:03:53third and long scenarios for me because he can rush the passer, sweat
- 1:03:59can in a sense like there's some limitations. He's not gonna have this amazing
- 1:04:02burst and closing ability a nice armover swim though that you're like decent lateral movement
- 1:04:09in this phone booth, especially at three hundred and sixty pounds, which is
- 1:04:13legitimately what he's playing at. Yeah, and I think if you brought him
- 1:04:15in that would free up at Oliver a lot, which would essentially you know,
- 1:04:20I think that that might work for them, but it's not gonna work
- 1:04:26for every team. And again, are they really going to continue to like
- 1:04:29double down with with these nose and one technique type players. I don't think
- 1:04:33so. I think they're going to probably spread the love out a little bit.
- 1:04:35So yeah, I mean, I I like this defensive tackle class.
- 1:04:39I'm really in true with Michael Hall. I just don't know what to do
- 1:04:41with him because of his size. I'm in the same way, bro.
- 1:04:45He's so light, but he's so explosive and honestly, he doesn't get pushed
- 1:04:49around a ton on the inside, even though he is lighter, but in
- 1:04:54those snaps, man, he's he's jumping like two gaps in the blink of
- 1:04:59it. Like he's going from like the if you're looking from the defensive perspective,
- 1:05:02he's going from like the left B gap to the right A gap in
- 1:05:06like an instant, like the explosion, the latter agility, the hand usage
- 1:05:11and the quickness everything. It's so fun inside, but I am scared,
- 1:05:15like going up against NFL talent, Like how regular can you win there?
- 1:05:20Being in that two hundred and eighty pound range, Like that's that's a real,
- 1:05:25real, real hard life. And you know, I know people throw
- 1:05:28a like oh like Aaron Donald, but that's such a hard bar to kind
- 1:05:31of live up to. I've gotten a little more confidence with it knowing how
- 1:05:35good Elijah Cansei did as a rookie last year. But he was a completely
- 1:05:41different tier versus Hall. And also he's built differently from a frame perspective.
- 1:05:45Yeah, but that's what I think. All is a good example too,
- 1:05:48Like there's all these guys like I like this defensive tackle class. I don't
- 1:05:51love it if it's like, oh, I really need like a one or
- 1:05:56two to really anchor my line. But I love it, Like there's so
- 1:05:59much much depth in rounds two and three and four for you to get like
- 1:06:02a rotational guy on the interior and give you like defensive tackle three or at
- 1:06:06worst, defensive tackle like top four snaps. And with how every team rotates
- 1:06:12nowadays, that's tremendously valuable. Yeah, And I think with this rotation,
- 1:06:15I think you know, in the Lions are a team that does it a
- 1:06:17lot. They rotate guys in and out like crazy. But also whenever everyone
- 1:06:20does that to a degree now from college through the NFL, it's a rotation
- 1:06:25position. Yeah, and that brings up the player that's on the you know,
- 1:06:29on my mind, like where do the Bills value somebody like Brandon Dorless
- 1:06:31out of Oregon, Like he's he's kind of like that versatile. I don't
- 1:06:36want to say he's a chest piece because he doesn't really have like a masterful
- 1:06:41skill set or one thing that really separates him from the bunch other than the
- 1:06:45fact that he deflects a bunch of passes at the line of scrimmage, Like
- 1:06:47that's really the only skill set that he has. And he's like two years
- 1:06:53ago he was super explosive, Like it's weird kind of how he dropped off
- 1:06:57a little bit, but I am curious with him, like would they find
- 1:07:00some value there because he does fall into like that Levi Ozerique Jonathan Bohler type
- 1:07:08of player. You know, he's not super quick, he's not you know,
- 1:07:11overly fluid or or anything like that, but a decent first step,
- 1:07:15gets his hands up, reads the quarterback's eyes. Well, can that be
- 1:07:18enough to say, hey, we could take this guy at sixty and this
- 1:07:23is a guy that we bring in and just really put him into our rotation
- 1:07:27because if there is that drop off at twenty eight or you know, with
- 1:07:30the first round defensive lineman and let's say Newton and Murphy are both gone and
- 1:07:34the pass rushers are gone, all right, maybe they take the offensive lineman,
- 1:07:39play it safe, and then in the second round they take a Brandon
- 1:07:41dor List. I know it's not sexy. I know that would kind of
- 1:07:43be like, man, that's Carlos Bashum two point zero. But at the
- 1:07:45same time, it's say that, how dare you say his name? I
- 1:07:49mean, he's not the same player, They're two different players, but you
- 1:07:53know what I mean, Like, no, be kind of like a win
- 1:07:57coming out of your sales a little bit, I think, especially for the
- 1:07:59fan base. But that spot is a real lot, Like you need a
- 1:08:03fourth man to round out your interior defensive line for this Buffalo Bills team,
- 1:08:10and ideally that person is a three tech. Like you've got Daikwon and his
- 1:08:13backup Austin Johnson, and you've really you've even got Ilion Ku you know,
- 1:08:16as that option to kind of like the third man in that spot. But
- 1:08:19you need a three tech there and it'll be really interesting to kind of see
- 1:08:25like where they go with it, which again is why it's not horrible if
- 1:08:30you get if you get Dwayne Carter in like the fourth round or third round
- 1:08:36or whatever aspect of he's your like your second tier like three tech and he's
- 1:08:40your backup. Like cool. I think that's fine. I just think it's
- 1:08:43a premium spot now, and it's why I continue to gravitate towards Johnny Newton
- 1:08:47and the idea of him being there and like what he could potentially be.
- 1:08:51And I do like Michael Hall and that option as well, Like but again,
- 1:08:55you're not taking him early a I don't know where he's going to go.
- 1:09:00That's also just me, and what keeps popping in my head is I'm
- 1:09:02so pissed that the Bills got screwed with that compick, Like they should have
- 1:09:05had a third round pick. Now you're going from after they pick at sixty,
- 1:09:11they don't pick again until one twenty eight, and then their comp pick
- 1:09:14is pick one thirty three. That one thirty three pick was supposed to be
- 1:09:16a pick in the nineties or something in round three. That's also a huge
- 1:09:20aspect too, because now you have to, like chess, piece this board
- 1:09:24together, which is why I'm also a fan of trading down from pick twenty
- 1:09:29eight or using some of their Day three capital to move up a little bit
- 1:09:31and trying to acquire more quality with the quantity they have, although I do
- 1:09:36like having a ton of swings at the plate and a bunch of throws at
- 1:09:39the dartboard. But yeah, that like you're sitting there for sixty eight picks,
- 1:09:44Like after you pick your second guy, you are waiting sixty eight picks,
- 1:09:48and then again you've got pick one twenty eight, one thirty three and
- 1:09:51one forty four and then one sixty and one sixty three, so you've got
- 1:09:55a whole bunch in round four and five that are close together, but you're
- 1:09:59missing out on it ton of Like so much of this draft is strong.
- 1:10:01In rounds two and three, you're missing out on a good chunk of that,
- 1:10:04which means in round one at twenty eight or round two at sixty,
- 1:10:11there's a chance you might see a name where it's like ooh, but it's
- 1:10:15like, well, we like this guy, and there's a huge drop off
- 1:10:16at the position, and we had to do what we had to do now,
- 1:10:18which is why I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, if it was a
- 1:10:21Zach Frazier at twenty eight or some name at sixty that everybody was like really,
- 1:10:27and it's like, well, you're waiting sixty eight picks, Like that's
- 1:10:30a long frigging time, man. Yeah, well, look at like the
- 1:10:32Denver Broncos, like they have the twelfth pick, then they don't pick again
- 1:10:35to like seventy six, seventy seven, Like that's a sixty five player drop,
- 1:10:40you know, and then you don't pick again until like one twenty five.
- 1:10:43Now you're waiting another forty turns for another another swing. Like there's some
- 1:10:48teams out there that that they like they don't have any Capital. You look
- 1:10:51at the Bears, they don't have any they have four picks in the draft
- 1:10:55this year. I just I don't understand how you bring in a rookie quarterback
- 1:10:59like Caleb Williams, who, let's be honest, he's not a sure thing.
- 1:11:02You need help around him. You have an older Keenan Allen, you
- 1:11:05have DJ Moore who takes on a bunch of contact. Like, there's so
- 1:11:09many things that you think about. And I'm not trying to make this a
- 1:11:11Bear show, but like, I just get down these thought processes in my
- 1:11:15head and I got to get them out because it's just like, there's so
- 1:11:18many things that play a piece into this. And with the Bills, they
- 1:11:21have so many, like you mentioned it, so many swings at the plate
- 1:11:26where it's a good problem to have because they can pack the stuff, move
- 1:11:29stuff up Gona. They're gonna find teams that are gonna want to move some
- 1:11:32picks to get some extra swings, and the Bills are gonna be able to
- 1:11:35land on a couple of guys and hopefully those guys are the players that we're
- 1:11:40talking about in another year as an either great rotational depth piece or a for
- 1:11:45sure starter and I think that's the key is finding those rotational depth piece guys
- 1:11:50that they have. So yeah, I think that's fair. And then so
- 1:11:54to kind of like bring this together and mapping out these first twenty seven picks
- 1:11:58kind of put some things into perspective for you. So we're looking at it
- 1:12:00again, we're playing like minimums, like kind of bare minimum guaranteed aspects.
- 1:12:05So there's twenty seven picks before the Bills pick it picked twenty eight twenty eight
- 1:12:10minus you know, is twenty seven for those doing a math at home.
- 1:12:13We got eight offensive linemen going, so twenty seven minus eight, that's nineteen
- 1:12:17players that potentially will be picked in front. After those eight offensive linemen,
- 1:12:24we've got four qbs going in the first twenty seven, so that knocks it
- 1:12:27down to fifteen. We've got one defensive tackle and Byron Murphy that knocks it
- 1:12:30down to fourteen. We've got those three edges in Turner Verse and lot too,
- 1:12:35that knocks it down to eleven. Russ has five wide receivers going.
- 1:12:40That knocks it down to six players. And then I also think you gotta
- 1:12:43throw in some guarantee. It's like brock Bauers is gonna go Quinyon Mitchell is
- 1:12:46gonna go. I think Terry and Arnold is gonna go. Start to think
- 1:12:50of and I hope my math isn't wrong, because I was kind of doing
- 1:12:54it on the fly there with everything. But start to put that into perspective
- 1:12:57when you start thinking of who is available at pick twenty eight, who you
- 1:13:00really want the Bills to get wide receiver? I think could be like a
- 1:13:02wonky one, like I could see four going, I could see five going.
- 1:13:06I could see Xavier Worthy slipping in because of that speed. I could
- 1:13:10see someone maybe betting on Keon Coleman because of the traits. And he's the
- 1:13:13fifth wide receiver or he's the sixth wide receiver. So something could get thrown
- 1:13:16off a little bit. As we talked about as well, there are offensive
- 1:13:19linemen like Tyler Geydon who could jump up a little bit or do from BYU.
- 1:13:24So maybe there's ten offensive linemen that go in the first twenty seven.
- 1:13:28But start to use that as your frame of reference when thinking about, like,
- 1:13:31man, I really want the Bills to get this guy, or I'd
- 1:13:34love for them to do this at twenty eight and then do this at sixty.
- 1:13:38It all starts with what happens in those first twenty seven picks, start
- 1:13:42to put it in the frame of, Okay, what do we think are
- 1:13:44the most guaranteed known quantity players that are going either position groups or positionally,
- 1:13:50and that'll start to frame a lot of who will be there, which is
- 1:13:54why again, like I come back to the idea of like, ooh,
- 1:13:57Johnny Newton, Like, I think it's a realistic an option that he's there
- 1:14:00at twenty eight based on how the first twenty seven picks will shake out,
- 1:14:03and then kind of go from there. So I think that was a nice
- 1:14:05way to kind of frame this conversation for a little bit as we start to
- 1:14:11jump off here, Russ, let's stick with that pick twenty eight before we
- 1:14:15move on to the rest of our conversation. Here kind of phrased it in
- 1:14:18this way for the Bills, the most ideal and realistic pick at twenty eight.
- 1:14:24I always have to throw the realistic in there, because I don't want
- 1:14:26someone to be like, oh, like Romo Dounza falls and he's the pick
- 1:14:29at twenty eight. Fantastic, who is the most ideal pick for the Bills
- 1:14:32at twenty eight, But also within that realm of realism for you. I
- 1:14:39think we've talked about them both. I think Zach Frasier from West Virginia is
- 1:14:43an ideal and a realistic player. I mean we went into detail about what
- 1:14:46he brings to the table, and then with Johnny Newton, I think he's
- 1:14:49the other one out of Illinois. Now, if both of those guys are
- 1:14:53either gone or just not like players that they value, I think it turns
- 1:15:00into defensive back. I think there's potentially a defensive back that they might fall
- 1:15:05in love with, because if those guys are gone or they don't value them,
- 1:15:09I don't know what other position they would value. Like, I get
- 1:15:14it we want to talk about receiver, but I've mentioned Mitchell's not going to
- 1:15:17be there. I really don't think he's going to be there. I don't
- 1:15:19even know if he Savior Worthy's going to be there. And are they really
- 1:15:23going to take the swing on him just because he's fast? Maybe I don't
- 1:15:27know. I also know the like I would have been, and you mentioned
- 1:15:31earlier, like I really like Exavier Worthy. I like Exavier like if the
- 1:15:34Bills took him, I'm not going to be upset. I mean, a
- 1:15:38super fast dude who runs good routes and has really good ball track and downfield.
- 1:15:43Cool. I'll take it. Yeah. I don't love, obviously the
- 1:15:45size of the frame, although Tank Allen, Jordan Addison and their performance last
- 1:15:48year and Josh Ballins had made me feel better about the sustainability of smaller dudes
- 1:15:53and he has to clean up his drops, but the drops deep are not
- 1:15:56really an issue. I like the idea Worthy more or before the Curtis Samuel
- 1:16:01Pick. I just think you really need a specific and at the end of
- 1:16:04the day, you just want to draft good football players, right, Like,
- 1:16:06so if the Bills took Worthy or lad McConkie, like, I'm like,
- 1:16:10okay, cool, whatever. But I do like the idea of having
- 1:16:13more of a prototypical X type of body in that grouping. I'm big into
- 1:16:18the adage and everybody and their mother kind of says it now like building your
- 1:16:20wide receiver room kind of like a basketball team. So I want to point
- 1:16:24guard, and I want a two guard, and I want a small forward
- 1:16:26and a power forward in a center. Like I don't want a whole team
- 1:16:28of two guards, just like I don't want a whole team of power forwards.
- 1:16:30And the Bills don't have that power forward. They don't have that wing
- 1:16:34guy like, and so I would love That's why I like the ad Mitchell
- 1:16:39fit even more. That's why I like Javon Baker, like the idea of
- 1:16:43Okay, this is a frame you don't have, this is the dynamic you
- 1:16:45don't have in the room. This is a skill set option, and it
- 1:16:48still gives you some of that upside you're still looking for from a two and
- 1:16:51a one perspective. But I like the Worthy fit more before Curtis Samuel,
- 1:16:58and I also think we're is more of like a slot and a Z more
- 1:17:02than he is an ex. I've seen him get off press and be okay
- 1:17:05being off the line of scrimmage, like with his hand technique and his speed,
- 1:17:10but I just think he's a dude, Like, you don't want anybody
- 1:17:13touching him ever, and so you want him as that Z, you want
- 1:17:15him as that slot. You want to use him as that move guy.
- 1:17:17But they're starting to use Stefan Diggs a little more in that way. So
- 1:17:20then I'm like, again, it's just all this positional redundancy. But at
- 1:17:25the end of the day, it's cool to have interchangeability and that dynamic and
- 1:17:30just good football players. But it and that fit is what I come back
- 1:17:32to with Worthy, but it does throw things off to again to a degree
- 1:17:35with that pick of twenty eight. I'm in a similar boat with like the
- 1:17:39realistic option, Like I think ideal and realistic, Newton and Lattu are my
- 1:17:45top and then I'm gonna throw ad Mitchell in there potentially as well, just
- 1:17:49from like the ideal side, I really do think Mitchell's gone. Like I
- 1:17:55going into the combine, I thought Brian Thomas would be the fourth or Cias
- 1:18:00off the board and would be gone by the time Bills went at twenty eight,
- 1:18:02and then I didn't know who went after now after seeing Mitchell in the
- 1:18:06combine as well, and then you put together with the tape and all that
- 1:18:10aspect, Like, I'm in a similar spot, like I just don't see
- 1:18:13him being there at twenty eight. But I think he could fit into this
- 1:18:15conversation. No, I think he does. I mean, I just I'm
- 1:18:18just being real. I mean, like I'm with you, Like I just
- 1:18:20I don't think it's a realistic chance of him being there now. If he
- 1:18:25is, awesome, sprint to the podium, take your guy. If that's
- 1:18:27your guy get him before the Ravens or or the Chiefs get him, or
- 1:18:31potentially the forty nine ers, Like, no doubt about it. But I
- 1:18:34don't know. The third guy that I would mention is, and you mentioned
- 1:18:38him earlier, is Rakestraw. I would be very I'd be intrigued by him,
- 1:18:44I really would, like. I don't know if it's Kamari Lassiter.
- 1:18:46I think with Rakestraw, like he ran a four or five one. Yeah,
- 1:18:50he battled through a groin injury through most of this past season, so
- 1:18:55I think he's actually a little bit faster than that. I mean, his
- 1:18:57one hundred meters dashtime in high school was a lot seven point zero six seconds.
- 1:19:00But I watched him close down Moleak neighbors in a short amount of neighbors
- 1:19:04makes a catch over the middle against Missouri and breaks it and it's about to
- 1:19:09take it, and Rakestraw closes him down in like a ten a ten yard
- 1:19:12hiccup. Granted he's starting to gear up, he's ahead of like neighbors gearing
- 1:19:16up already, so they kind of monkeys with it, but he closes it
- 1:19:19down in a hurry, and he gives you side outside versatility, which I
- 1:19:23like yeah, and I think that's the thing is like he he shows that
- 1:19:27you know, he can cover the slot and kind of handle some of those
- 1:19:29shallow crossers that you see, but then at the same time he can play
- 1:19:31on an island in an appressed man situation, and he's kind of got the
- 1:19:35hit fluidity that you're looking for to kind of transition and open up field and
- 1:19:41run with the receiver. He's got long arms. I think his arms were
- 1:19:44like thirty two and a half or thirty two, So like he's a willing
- 1:19:48run defender. I think he just checks a lot of boxes for what they're
- 1:19:53looking for on the perimeter. And if they don't feel like there's a sure
- 1:19:57thing there on the perimeter outside of you know, the douglass or something like
- 1:20:00that, and they feel like they just got to bring somebody else in,
- 1:20:02or if they feel like Elam is ready to take that next step, I
- 1:20:05don't know what they're thinking in their room. They don't I mean, like
- 1:20:10safety, Okay, Edwards is cool, but like I think with just Rakestraw,
- 1:20:14you're trying to alleviate some of the pressure that's going to be on those
- 1:20:15dbs, and I think bring in in a guy like Rakestraw, we talked
- 1:20:19about this. You bring in a kind of a CB three and you develop
- 1:20:24him and eventually you now have a CB one after you lost Trey White.
- 1:20:28I think that's a good plan of attack to have. And I think Rakestraw
- 1:20:30kind of fits that. He reminds me stylistically of like Emmanuel Moseley. So
- 1:20:34I think I think he's somebody that makes sense. I know it sounds rich
- 1:20:39for people, but I don't know if he's gonna be there at sixty.
- 1:20:42I don't think Abrams Drain is gonna be there at sixty. So like I
- 1:20:45just I think these Missouri guys are well liked in the NFL draft circle from
- 1:20:48NFL decision makers and somebody. There's gonna be surprises in the back end.
- 1:20:54It just it is what it is. We have to get away from the
- 1:20:57consensus thought. And that's why I'm here and that's why we're discussing this because,
- 1:21:01like, yeah, ideally, realistically, there's a couple of guys that
- 1:21:04make hell of a lot of sense, a lot to the guys that we've
- 1:21:08talked about, but just thinking outside the box, I think Reke Straw and
- 1:21:13uh and the guys that you mentioned may make ton of sense. I mean,
- 1:21:15it just really does. And man, I like both of those Missouri
- 1:21:18corners. There's so many corners I like in this draft. Really a lot
- 1:21:21of the DB's like, especially safeties too, Like I really like Nuban and
- 1:21:27Cam Kitchens and Javon Bullard, but so many like the kind of the day
- 1:21:30threer type of safeties. Well I shouldn't even say this because some people have
- 1:21:34because safety is all over the place for some people. But like the Malik
- 1:21:38Mustafas, the Jalen Simpsons, like the Kitean Nola Dappos, like these really
- 1:21:43interesting dudes that I'm like, Oh, this guy could be like a fourth
- 1:21:45round or a fifth round safety, and you let him sit for a year
- 1:21:46and then like, maybe that's who you're starting safety is next year after Mike
- 1:21:49Edwards leaves on a one year type of deal. Yeah, I think there's
- 1:21:54gonna be more dB action for this team aside from safety. Like I think
- 1:21:58everybody came into this draft being like, oh, well, the Bills need
- 1:22:00a safety, and then they signed like Edwards and brought back Rap and it's
- 1:22:02kind of like, oh, they still need some depth a corner. And
- 1:22:05I tweeted it out yesterday. I just think it's a sneaky one, like
- 1:22:09you technically could use a CB three this year, and you don't have a
- 1:22:14CB one and two next year on the roster. Kaeru, Rasoul Douglas is
- 1:22:16gonna be UFA. Now, maybe they're going to bring it back and that's
- 1:22:18the plan, so on and so forth. Maybe Elamas sends, but right
- 1:22:21now you just don't have that known quantity wrapped up. And granted you've said
- 1:22:26multiple times here, none of these prospects are known quantities. If the draft
- 1:22:29was an exact science, everybody would hit on everything. But that's not necessarily
- 1:22:32case. And that's what also makes this conversation very, very fun. Another
- 1:22:36conversation. Wanted to have them jumping around a little bit, but we're we're
- 1:22:42are we boom. We've talked about it multiple times here in this episode.
- 1:22:46Russ the round two wide receivers and the depth there at that spot. So
- 1:22:54and also I want to preface this and say, not everybody who goes when
- 1:22:58we say this every year, not everybody who gets picked in the first round
- 1:23:00is a first round graded player, especially on the back end. Usually when
- 1:23:03you get to the twenties. You're getting dudes who have a second round grade
- 1:23:06that are being picked in the first round. Now, that doesn't mean that's
- 1:23:09bad value. That doesn't mean this player is terrible. That's just how it
- 1:23:13works. The range is I forget it every year and I always tell myself
- 1:23:15to write it down. What is it like on an average year, there's
- 1:23:17like sixteen to twenty like first round graded players roughly like in a good year,
- 1:23:21you're pushing into like the lower twenties, like twenty three to twenty four
- 1:23:25type. Yeah, I would say the average is probably somewhere between sixteen to
- 1:23:29twenty. I think was it last year or the year before? I want
- 1:23:32to say that, like the consensus was like ten to twelve, like it
- 1:23:36was a read. Yeah, I was thinking one was one year was like
- 1:23:39thirteen dudes where like had first round grade. Yeah, a couple of years
- 1:23:42ago. Last maybe it was last year's draft, but the last year's trap
- 1:23:45wasn't two like stacked overall? Yeah, I think it was last year,
- 1:23:48right, last year's Right, everything blurs together for me, like I'm horrible
- 1:23:51with the same thing with like WrestleMania. Someone will be like, oh,
- 1:23:55what number WrestleMania is your favorite. I'm like the one had this match in
- 1:23:57this match and this match. They're like, oh, what number wrestleman that.
- 1:24:00I'm like, I have no idea, Like I remember certain like I
- 1:24:02know WrestleMania nine and like WrestleMania like twelve and thirteen, fourteen, seventeen and
- 1:24:06everything like aside from that, I got like, and those are landmarks just
- 1:24:11for like big matches that are tied to them. Yeah, but I just
- 1:24:13can't. It's so hard for me to do the number of stuff. But
- 1:24:15all right, so Round two graded wide receivers. We you and I both
- 1:24:19talked about a run happening on wide receivers in the second round and the strength
- 1:24:24of this wide receiver class really being in Round two graded wide receivers. So
- 1:24:29the question for you, how many second round graded wide receivers do you have?
- 1:24:35So how many receivers have a Round two grade for you in this draft
- 1:24:40class? Looking at the board, So the round one guys, it stops
- 1:24:50at Roma doonsday. So I say that this was also my my I was
- 1:24:55figured we'd get to it as well. I only have three receivers with a
- 1:24:58Round one grade, so it's the big three for you as well, so
- 1:25:00Marmon Harrison, Neighbors and A Dunes. They are the only receivers that have
- 1:25:01around one grade yep. And then we have Mitchell Coleman, Brian Thomas junior
- 1:25:10okay, Xavier Worthy, Lad McConkie that's five, yeah, Troy Franklin is
- 1:25:14six Yepanky Pierce All is seven yep. Roman Wilson's eight okay, Xavier Laguette
- 1:25:21is nine, Jalen Polk is ten, and that's it, okay, So
- 1:25:27we're pretty much very similar. I've got Laget in there as well. I've
- 1:25:33got Javon Baker in there, who has a two for me, like a
- 1:25:38two to three. This is one I keep flirting on, going back and
- 1:25:42forth. I really like Jermaine Burton. Yeah, and I like him so
- 1:25:46much that I've had like a three on him, but I keep flirting with
- 1:25:49the idea. So for this, I'm like, just screw it. I
- 1:25:51like him so like I'm just giving him a two as well. So I'm
- 1:25:54in a similar book, so that gives me like eleven or twelve. I
- 1:25:59might have missed his name, he might have been on there. I'm trying
- 1:26:00to see. I've got Worthy. Brian Thomas junior, and this isn't in
- 1:26:04order. Just off the rattling through, I've got worthy Brian Thomas junior,
- 1:26:09ad Mitchell, Lad McConkie Keon Coleman, Troy Franklin, Ricky Piersahll, Xavier
- 1:26:15Legett, Jermaine Burton, Javon Baker, Roman Wilson, and Jalen Polk.
- 1:26:21So I am sitting there at twelve, and honestly, I really really like
- 1:26:26Jayleen McMillan, And if you twisted my arm, I might give him a
- 1:26:28two. And so then I'm pushing it at thirteen. But no matter how
- 1:26:30you slice it, there's a lot of Round two graded wide receivers. Is
- 1:26:35this also that specific area the Round two graded wide receivers, Is that the
- 1:26:42strongest spot and position in this entire class, like not even just the wide
- 1:26:46receiver class as a whole, top to bottom, but that Round two wide
- 1:26:50receiver grouping, Is that the strongest aspect of this draft class as a whole.
- 1:26:57Right, It's a good question, Right, It's a great question.
- 1:27:00I don't think so, just simply because of the offensive tackles, Like we
- 1:27:03we can talk about probably ten to eleven, maybe twelve guys in the first
- 1:27:08round, and then once you get through those guys you can like and that's
- 1:27:13like the ten first round offensive lineman. You know, we had the eight
- 1:27:17going before you know, the Bills at twenty eight, and then you could
- 1:27:21add in Zach Frasier in there as nine, Christian Haynes's ten, Tyler Goeitton
- 1:27:29as eleven. Okay, so let's say those are the eleven potential first round
- 1:27:31guys or in that conversation. But then you get into Kingsley, Sue my
- 1:27:35Teya. You have Jordan Morgan, you have Roger Rosen, Jordan Morgan,
- 1:27:41who I really like as well. You're never talking about him? Yeah,
- 1:27:43good call. Sorry, Yeah, no, you have him. You have
- 1:27:46Delmar Glaze, you have Cooper bb Yeah. Dominic Dominic Peeney, Cedric van
- 1:27:55Pangain the one who I liked to I was watching Illinois versus Kansas in watching
- 1:28:00Puny kind of give it to Newton a little bit, and I was like,
- 1:28:01oh, just big body, dude, like long arms, big frame.
- 1:28:05Okay, I like it, yep, yep, yep. So I
- 1:28:09think it. I really think it's kind of like a toss up between those
- 1:28:12two, and it's more so like who's going to be the more successful.
- 1:28:15Like it's almost like remember like those Survivor series matches, like where you'd have
- 1:28:19four on four all the time. Yes, and it's like how it used
- 1:28:23to be where we were a proper country, right exactly. Yeah, oh
- 1:28:26man, dude, And you remember two Survivor series used to always be the
- 1:28:29Wednesday. It was the night before Thanksgiving. Yeah, it was. It
- 1:28:32was awesome. Yes, it was the best thing because you knew you were
- 1:28:34off the next day. It was a pay per view of the night before
- 1:28:38the next day was Thanksgiving, and you would watch Now you're a Lions guy,
- 1:28:41Yeah, you'd watch that, and you'd wake up in the morning and
- 1:28:44and smell the bird cooking and then you'd watch the Lions and John Mann and
- 1:28:47Pat Summer. It was awesome. I was just you're going you're going to
- 1:28:49bed watching wrestling, waking up in the house smells like mashed potato stuffing and
- 1:28:55turkey, and then yeah, I'm turning on the TV and it's Barry Sanders
- 1:28:58and Pat's Summer all in John Pop Man. It was just no, it's
- 1:29:01so much better. It's phenomenal. But yeah, I mean so like between
- 1:29:05those two, it's really kind of a toss up, I would lean towards
- 1:29:09offensive line just because there's been so many misses over the years for these day
- 1:29:13two wide receivers. But that doesn't mean that the Bills will not hit on
- 1:29:17one if they took one. Like the two guys you mentioned, Jalen McMillan
- 1:29:21Jalen Polk, I think they're very close in the grating and I could see
- 1:29:26either one being potentially the guy there at sixty four for the Bills. I
- 1:29:31go back and forth all the time on which one I like more, And
- 1:29:35because the one that threw it really for me was McMillan was the two going
- 1:29:40into this year. He got banged up and that kind of helped Polk emerge
- 1:29:43a little bit. Yep, But if you go back to the twenty twenty
- 1:29:45two tape, Jalen McMillan is the hard two in that offense, and he's
- 1:29:49got a couple reps against Oregon where he's given it to Christian Goanzalees. And
- 1:29:55you and I both love Christian Gonzalez. Last year he was by StEB one.
- 1:29:58I thought he was phenomenal, great pick for New England. He's going
- 1:30:01up in like high point in the football and wrestling it away from like Christian
- 1:30:04Gonzalez and like so twenty twenty two, Jalen McMillan is still in my head
- 1:30:11of what he can be. Twenty twenty three was banged up and they used
- 1:30:13him more of the slot once he came back, Like yeah, and I
- 1:30:15go back and forth of who I like more between him and Polk. And
- 1:30:20it's also funny that they have the same first name but it's spelled differently.
- 1:30:24They're different kinds of players, Like it's man also that that offense like Pennix
- 1:30:29o'doonsay McMillan Polk, I like Jack West over the tight end, I like
- 1:30:32Dylan Johnson, like you got like Troy Fontana where like a tackle like that
- 1:30:35offense was just wild Rose I mean I forgot about Roseen Garden good late,
- 1:30:40Yeah, rosen Garten might be a first roun pick. I mean mel Kiper
- 1:30:44and his latest mockcraft had him going like thirty first to San Francisco. Really
- 1:30:47yeah, oh Wow's and if he's putting him in there, that's Hill here
- 1:30:53and something. Yeah, that's that's also a big thing too, Like just
- 1:30:57to hit it really quickly, Like some of these mocks come out from the
- 1:31:00people. And I know, like a lot of fans will be like this
- 1:31:02mock sucks, Like you know, Timmy so and so in the first round.
- 1:31:06These guys who are connected like that, these mocks aren't necessarily like this
- 1:31:11is who we think should go. This is what they're hearing and what they're
- 1:31:15like putting pen to paper because of the inside knowledge like that they have.
- 1:31:18So if there's some kind of smoke like that, now that might not mean
- 1:31:23that Rosengarten goes in the first but it could be a sign that teams value
- 1:31:26him with like a round two type of grade, and that means he might
- 1:31:29be gone by the time Round three starts. And so it's a guy you
- 1:31:31maybe just kind of perk up on your radar a little bit. Sorry,
- 1:31:33yeah, yeah. And I mean he's got a name of a Chicago Cubs
- 1:31:36pitcher, so it works out perfect. I mean, he that's every time
- 1:31:40I'm like Rosengarden, I mean, what in the world. But uh,
- 1:31:43with Jalen Polk, I want to say this, like, if they're looking
- 1:31:45for a potential Gabe Davis replacement, I think he might be that guy.
- 1:31:51Like when you look at measurables, they're very similar in a way. Gabe
- 1:31:55Davis was a little bit heavier. Polk's a stepped faster. I mean,
- 1:32:00but but Davis ran, you know, four five forty. Polk ran a
- 1:32:04four five two. I thought Polk was gonna run faster. I was thinking,
- 1:32:08like, I wasn't expecting good four fours, but I was thinking like
- 1:32:11four four nine, four four eight issues. But I said the same thing
- 1:32:14I think. I I think, on whatever the app is, you know,
- 1:32:18me and my degenerate itself, I think they had him at like four
- 1:32:20four six. I took him under, and I was so disappointed. Of
- 1:32:25course you bet your of course you're betting on forties like you just such.
- 1:32:30I researched this for a living. I have the game, that's true,
- 1:32:32But no, I hate that you also like make a living with it now
- 1:32:35too. It's just like feeding it even more like a Yeah, it's just
- 1:32:41so wild. Yeah. But like Polk, he's you know, he provides
- 1:32:44provisional positional versatility. I think he can play inside outside. I think,
- 1:32:49you know, he was used in motion, I thought a lot, and
- 1:32:53it forced some rotations like with you know, displacing linebackers and nickels and stuff
- 1:32:59like that. So I think if you're trying to gets to find digs.
- 1:33:00One on one. You can move Polk and he's going to catch the ball
- 1:33:03in the short areas. He's strong enough to run after the catch, but
- 1:33:06he's not fast enough to always run after the catch. So you got to
- 1:33:10take the good with the bad with him, he got a late second for
- 1:33:13me. I think the drops were a little bit of a concern when I
- 1:33:15watched him against Stanford. I think he lacked, you know, explosiveness.
- 1:33:19I don't think he's real threatening there. But I like Polk. I think
- 1:33:21he makes sense for Buffalo. I'm with you on McMillan, the way twenty
- 1:33:26twenty two looked for him compared to twenty twenty three. I know the injury
- 1:33:30plays a part, same way I felt with like Olu for Shano. You
- 1:33:32watch for Shano in twenty twenty two, absolute stud you watch him in twenty
- 1:33:35twenty three. He's going through the motions. He looks lethargic, he looks
- 1:33:39I don't know if it's out of shape. I don't know if it's because
- 1:33:42he was banged up. I he was in twenty twenty two, Like would
- 1:33:45I would have thought there was no way anybody was going to come close to
- 1:33:48touching him. Yeah, in this year and now you're sitting there and people
- 1:33:51are like, well, you know all could be number one, Mims could
- 1:33:54be number two, or could you know some people could make it to twenty.
- 1:33:58He might make it to the Steelers, man, and like that's a
- 1:34:00legit thing. I don't think he makes it past the Saints because of everything
- 1:34:03that's going on with them in the offensive tackle and then yeah, I just
- 1:34:05saw this stuff today with Ryan Ramchick, like they don't think his knee is
- 1:34:09going to be healthy for this. Like I love Ryan Ramchack. He's such
- 1:34:12a good and it just sucks that they've been snaked at the last like seven
- 1:34:16eight years. Like Armstead got hurt a bunch before he left, and then
- 1:34:18Ramchick now and Andres Pete was always getting banged up. Like they just they
- 1:34:23got screwed against the Rams in the NFC Championship with that non interference call.
- 1:34:27Like I just don't know what is going on with like the water in New
- 1:34:30Orleans, like it's just absolutely what sorry, sorry, no, you're good.
- 1:34:34I think there's just a lot of bourbon or something down there that these
- 1:34:38guys are just getting banged up, but it's all the beads. All the
- 1:34:40beads are getting thrown into the water and everybody's leading, everybody getting injured and
- 1:34:43beat down. The beads always makes me think of when I was in Mobile
- 1:34:46for the first time and I'm with Eric Turner and they're like, yeah,
- 1:34:48there's a Marti Gral parade and we like go and We're like getting these beads
- 1:34:53thrown at us and I'm like, I'm not lifting my shirt, i don't
- 1:34:56know what to do. I'm not seeing anything like what's going on. Uh.
- 1:35:00That was the biggest The biggest surprise of me of going down to Mobile
- 1:35:03last year for the first time was like that Marty Gross started Yeah, and
- 1:35:08I was like, oh, like I just always associated it with New Orleans,
- 1:35:12but also too, like Mobile's close to New Orleans. It's all in
- 1:35:15like the golf like geographically, but yeah, that's like one of the that
- 1:35:16and how good the food is, like everywhere we go to is just what
- 1:35:19I was not expecting whatsoever. My it's mind blowing. But you know,
- 1:35:25other receivers for round two and I don't have a second round grade on him,
- 1:35:28I have a third round grade. But he is one of my favorite
- 1:35:30Day two players. That's Jamari Thrash out of Louisville. You guys know,
- 1:35:34I'm gonna talk about him experience. I mean, like we talk about savvy
- 1:35:40route runners, right, like Ladd mcakie or was it mcakie or Piersaw You
- 1:35:45labeled as a professional route runner mcakey, but you, honestly you could apply
- 1:35:48it a to Mickey Pearsall too. Like they're both just so good. They're
- 1:35:50they run them, they run their routes differently, but they're just yeah,
- 1:35:55man, Lad runs his routes like he's been in the NFL for like nine
- 1:35:59years. He yeah, looks like that type of dude. He looks like
- 1:36:01the dude that is up for fourteen hours watching release packages and finding ways to
- 1:36:05beat the opponent. And I wouldn't be surprised that Jamari Thrash kind of did
- 1:36:10that too. I wouldn't say he's a professional rout runner, but I would
- 1:36:13say he's an experienced route runner, and I think he can run the entire
- 1:36:15route tree. He's got great burst and pacing within his routes. He makes
- 1:36:19some really good adjustments on some back shoulder throws. He did that at the
- 1:36:23Senior Bowl. And when you're looking at you know, a receiver that is
- 1:36:27five foot eleven, one hundred and eighty eight pounds, he runs, you
- 1:36:30know a sub four five at four four six. I think you can work
- 1:36:32with that. You're looking for like a number three, a number two,
- 1:36:35number three, maybe a number four receiver, which is what it sounds like
- 1:36:39the Bills are doing. I think Thrash makes a lot of sense. Now
- 1:36:42the drops are concerning. He's had seventeen of them in his career, so
- 1:36:45that's obviously a concern. I think he struggles with more physicality at the line
- 1:36:49of scrimmage, But I mean what receiver doesn't. Let's be honest, like
- 1:36:54a lot of guys do, so I think if they feel like Thrash makes
- 1:36:57sense, I think Polk, Thrash, McMillan, any of those guys at
- 1:37:00sixty would be great to just slide into this offense and really the production in
- 1:37:04the expectation would be I think a lot more realistic than when you took that
- 1:37:10receiver in the first row. I like Thrash, especially with what he can
- 1:37:15do in the underneath, in the intermediate and he this is gonna sound like
- 1:37:19such a stupid thing to praise someone for. But he's probably like the best
- 1:37:24hitch or like sit route runner in the entire class. He just has this
- 1:37:28ability to sell vertical and then he sinks his hips and it gets it's one
- 1:37:33to two steps and he opens up and the corner is running past the marker
- 1:37:38and he just created like five six yards of separation. He did it.
- 1:37:41I watched him do it against Notre Dame. I watched him do it in
- 1:37:43the rain against Pitt, I watched him do it against Indiana. Like it
- 1:37:46is just it doesn't matter who's covering him. Like he takes off and his
- 1:37:50eyes and body language are making you think, oh, this dude's going up
- 1:37:54the sideline and as soon as those corners turn and open up those hips he's
- 1:37:59putting he's taking that large, that large step and sinking his hips and he's
- 1:38:01popping it out. Like I just like what he does. I like him
- 1:38:05in mobile too. You and I were talking about him on I think day
- 1:38:08one day at the end of the afternoon in day one or day two,
- 1:38:12just sitting there and yeah, like I like his tape. And it's funny
- 1:38:15too, Like there's just man, there's just so many receivers that keep coming
- 1:38:19through and obviously like they're not all going to be hits, Like it's impossible
- 1:38:21for like all of these receivers and this super deep class, but the odds
- 1:38:26of them hitting are I think higher than most years. And it's just wild,
- 1:38:30like what you could potentially get in this class and in this group.
- 1:38:32And let's let's stick with that conversation. Taking what go ahead. I was
- 1:38:39gonna just add I haven't brought up one player, but I to just kind
- 1:38:43of put the nail on the coffin on Jamari Thrash. Seeing him in Buffalo
- 1:38:46running hitch seam concepts with Stefan Diggs would be phenomenal. I think it would
- 1:38:51be. It would be awesome him running the hitch on the outside, digs
- 1:38:56up the seam death kiss and then uh, the other player in the second
- 1:39:00round. I haven't talked about. Maybe you're about to bring him up,
- 1:39:02but Roman Wilson, would you love it? Would love to see him.
- 1:39:06I just don't think he's gonna be there. I just I think he's going
- 1:39:09to go a lot sooner than people think. There's so much to like about
- 1:39:13him. He's a guy that you hear checks a lot of boxes. His
- 1:39:15work ethic is outstanding, uh, and you think of like teams looking for
- 1:39:19maybe like that next Amen Ross Saint Brown. I'm not saying he's Amen Ross
- 1:39:24Saint Brown that type of player, but the work ethic, Like what he
- 1:39:27had to do to get to school in Hawaii. The dude was getting up
- 1:39:30at three o'clock in the morning, getting on an airplane and flying across the
- 1:39:34island to go to school. Like that's some dedication to your craft. And
- 1:39:39he goes to Michigan and has all this success. He has a huge year
- 1:39:42this year. So I think when you look at Senior Bowl, the Senior
- 1:39:45Bowl, yeah, I mean like Lad McConkie gets a lot of praise,
- 1:39:48Ricky Piersall gets a lot of praise for his release package and route running and
- 1:39:53in the lateral movement skills that those guys have. But Roman Wilson is up
- 1:39:56there too, So I think that there's a really nice blend the round two
- 1:40:00guys. And I just had to throw some shot out to Rowan Wilson even
- 1:40:03though he's a Michigan guy. But I think there's a lot to love with
- 1:40:05his run after the catchability and just the fluid route running ability that I hate
- 1:40:11Roman Wilson, not because of Roman Wilson, but because to watch, like
- 1:40:15to get a good sample size of Roman Wilson, you have to watch like
- 1:40:18seven games because they run the ball so much at Michigan. Like his his
- 1:40:23targets, right, I'm gonna give you every single game in his targets from
- 1:40:26the first game to the last eight five three, five, four, four
- 1:40:31four four eleven zero against Penn State where he got banged up, Maryland won
- 1:40:38and then ran oh y, that's right, yeah, Maryland won, Ohio
- 1:40:42State six, Iowa three, Bama four, Washington four. He had sixty
- 1:40:45seven targets on the year, So like just to get a good sample size,
- 1:40:48like you start with that Perdue game because you're like, okay, like
- 1:40:51this dude out here, he got like eleven targets, nine catches. Cool,
- 1:40:55that's his most targeted game, and then everything else you're trying to like
- 1:40:58scrap to get other reps. Same thing for like who I really like.
- 1:41:02I like Marshawn Lloyd from USC, but he was banged up and then he's
- 1:41:06in a rotation, so I've had to watch like so many USC games to
- 1:41:10get the tape from Lloyd, Like I can't just get like four games where
- 1:41:15there's this heavy workload and I'm out there watching like seven and eight because the
- 1:41:17reps are so minimal. Yeah, that's like the legal guy, not Juwar
- 1:41:23Jordan, but the other guy like Grendo. Yeah, dude, I put
- 1:41:26on one of his games. He was in the backfield like ten times,
- 1:41:29didn't touch the ball one time. Dude. Like the first game I was
- 1:41:32watching Thrash against Notre Dame because Jordan does really well in that game against Notre
- 1:41:38Dame. And the whole time I kept being like, and I wasn't watching
- 1:41:41for the running backs, but I was like, where's Gorendo, Like where
- 1:41:43is he? And then he'd like go in for a snap and then be
- 1:41:45out for like fifty snaps in a row. Yeah, it's just so tough
- 1:41:49to try. That guy's not getting like the reps and be having to grab
- 1:41:53multiple games drives me nuts in the same way that teams that have bad angles
- 1:41:58for their all twenty two, like Washington. It's a great example. Washington's
- 1:42:00camera is like on a friggin satellite on the Moon. It is so zoomed
- 1:42:05out it pisses. It's so hard to spot those receivers. Sometimes it drives
- 1:42:10me in. And that's the other option too, that I hate players.
- 1:42:14One of my offensive coordinator left, that's right, horrible angles. Guys not
- 1:42:16differentiating themselves. And that's also to like watch it on tape. Do something
- 1:42:20different, Wear a different color arm sleep, wear different color cleats. I
- 1:42:25hate guys that are like look the same, like all they all have single
- 1:42:29digit numbers. So the camera's far away and I'm like, I don't know
- 1:42:30who number one is versus number four because the fun is a certain way.
- 1:42:34None of them are wearing an arm sleep. They're all wearing black gloves and
- 1:42:38black cleats. I don't know who is who. Like it's oh, it's
- 1:42:42just like that's why I appreciated Thrash. Thrash for most games is wearing the
- 1:42:45arm sleeve on his left elbow and no one else is doing and it's a
- 1:42:48white arm sleep. And I'm like, okay, I recognize you're like certain
- 1:42:50like Jabon Baker always has the T shirt hanging out a little bit and the
- 1:42:54towel and the arms. I'm like, okay, I can put it all
- 1:42:57together. I hate where I have to Yes, I need the aesthetic like
- 1:43:00one you look good. You play good. But two, it's really a
- 1:43:03pain in the ass to watch the tape when I don't know who is who
- 1:43:05and I have to wait until I get the end zone angle and see the
- 1:43:09number, and then I got to go back to the sideline angle. Yes,
- 1:43:14first world problems. It's just really it's just really, really really tough.
- 1:43:19Continue some of the conversations. You start to hit our last segment here.
- 1:43:24So round one in round two, Dominos, is how I phrase this.
- 1:43:27So let's play. We'll go two options. You talk about one a
- 1:43:30little bit so, but let's say if the Bills go receiver in round one,
- 1:43:34what are you looking at them to address in round two? Again based
- 1:43:39on the team, but also based on what we think the board is going
- 1:43:42to look like at sixty, how things are going through. I think,
- 1:43:47like, as much as I would like to see them go get that pass
- 1:43:51rusher, I mean I think you have to go find the interior offensive line.
- 1:43:56You have to get somebody. I know it's a good into your offensive
- 1:44:00line class, and I know it's a good offensive tackle class. But like
- 1:44:04if Cedrick Van Pran is your guy who reminds me a little bit of Lloyd
- 1:44:09cushionberry like in a light way. He's kind of maxed out at two hundred
- 1:44:13and ninety eight pounds. But at the same time, like you bring him
- 1:44:15in, you might be able to plug and play him a little bit.
- 1:44:18Maybe he sits for a little while, whatever, I think you can go
- 1:44:21that route. Is Cooper BB there, If he is, I mean he's
- 1:44:26got really short arms. That's a bit of a concern. But I think
- 1:44:30he's probably gonna be gone. But if he's there, I watched him given
- 1:44:32the business to Byron Murphy. They had a good battle Kansas State vers Texas,
- 1:44:36and I actually think BB won that battle more often. I thought he
- 1:44:41was gonna come out last year. You and I were both bummed when he
- 1:44:43didn't come out last year. Yeah, I like Cooper BB a lot.
- 1:44:46Sorry, continued, No, I'm with you. I'm bummed that he didn't
- 1:44:48come out either, because I could have had him on the show, interviewed
- 1:44:51him, the whole thing would have been great. And then he unfollowed me.
- 1:44:54But whatever, it is, what it is, not bitter about it,
- 1:44:57whatever, I'm not salty about it. But yeah, so I just
- 1:45:00think getting offensive line help is important and it's something that they need to do.
- 1:45:04I just I think it's in need. That's why I talked about it
- 1:45:06so much in the first round. I don't think Zach Fraser is going to
- 1:45:11be there, so that's why I kind of push for him in the first
- 1:45:13round. But if they went that wide receiver route, you have to kind
- 1:45:16of pivot and in the second round and prepare for the next wave of offensive
- 1:45:21linemen because you know, there is that drop off from sixty all the way
- 1:45:27down to the next pick, so you might not find a starting center that
- 1:45:31low in the draft like you just might not. So I think that's important.
- 1:45:34And if you can get that depth now cool. You can get pass
- 1:45:39rushers, you can get guys to get in their situationally, you can get
- 1:45:42interior defensive line help to bring in situational guys if you feel confident that Jones
- 1:45:47can be you know, first and second down, and obviously you have at
- 1:45:50Oliver and you can kind of get that blend and then again the situational pass
- 1:45:55rushers that you can bring in. So I think that they can do a
- 1:45:58little bit more with the defensive line in the secondary where I think at you
- 1:46:01know, wide receiver, interior offensive line, just doing this conversation. That's
- 1:46:05the domino effect that I would have if I'm the Bills, and that would
- 1:46:09be what I'm hoping for kind of falls into my lap that you can go
- 1:46:12and get receiver, offensive line and then so let's flip it on its head,
- 1:46:16which we talked about a little bit, so we don't have to elaborate
- 1:46:18too much. If the Bills don't go wide receiver in round one, does
- 1:46:24that mean that they should and or will go receiver in round two? Like
- 1:46:30do you think? Because again, so you're talking to that point after pick
- 1:46:33sixty, your next pick is picked one twenty eight, and then again it
- 1:46:36comes in a bunch of you've got one twenty eight, you've got one thirty
- 1:46:39three, so on and so forth. But that's a huge sixty eight players
- 1:46:43between sixty and one to twenty eight, and that's a bunch of receivers that
- 1:46:45are going by by I mean, looking at the way that they've structured this
- 1:46:49roster, I would I wouldn't be surprised if they passed on it. I'll
- 1:46:54be honest. I mean, like, you signed Curtis Samuel to a pretty
- 1:46:58decent sized deal. You saw the emergence of Shakir, you have digs.
- 1:47:01We talked about his contract. The only way you're getting rid of him if
- 1:47:04it's toxic. You brought in a veteran like Mac Collins. Like to me,
- 1:47:10that's them showing the cards and saying, hey, the wide receivers are
- 1:47:14going to go early. We know we're not going to get one at twenty
- 1:47:17eight unless we trade up and get one. We feel confident enough in this
- 1:47:20room to where, okay, if we have to take one at sixty,
- 1:47:24cool, but more than likely we're probably going to take them in that one
- 1:47:27twenty range or package something and move up into like let's say ninety five or
- 1:47:31whatever and getting that top one where they should have had their comp pick.
- 1:47:36Sorry, continue, No, no, I agree. I agree with you,
- 1:47:39but I think that's more realistic. And I think at that point,
- 1:47:44if they let's say, did offensive line in the first round, I think
- 1:47:47then they would look at secondary or defensive line in round two. And that's
- 1:47:53how I would picture it, and it might be, you know, you
- 1:47:55start in the trenches, they might have to hit the reset. I mean
- 1:47:58a few years ago, it sounded like look like they were trying to do
- 1:48:00that, you know, when they took Russo and then they took Carlos bash
- 1:48:03them and obviously together as Yeah, and like they were trying to build in
- 1:48:08the trenches for now and it didn't necessarily work out completely. You found some
- 1:48:14you didn't find others. Now they kind of got to get back into doing
- 1:48:16that and find those guys and hopefully they can do it in this draft,
- 1:48:20because that just the way it works. I mean again, I I don't
- 1:48:24know it. It might not work. It might be receiver. I just
- 1:48:28the way this roster is structured. And I and I look at every single
- 1:48:31team religiously every single day. And when I look at the Bills, I
- 1:48:36see just the holes that in tier offensive line, corner and tior defensive line,
- 1:48:42and you're throwing a pass rusher and a receiver. I mean that's how
- 1:48:45I would label it. So do you think they surprise anybody by like going
- 1:48:49and just getting a running back? Like that's not in the cards, right,
- 1:48:54Like that's not a I think on day three, if they keep all
- 1:48:57these picks, you're on a hundred running back because they've got you've got Ty
- 1:49:00Johnson, You've got Cook. I mean, they have a propensity for I
- 1:49:04mean what Zach Moss was a three Devin Singletary was a three, James Cook
- 1:49:09was a two. They love their Day two running backs. I just that's
- 1:49:12why I brought that up. I know one hundred, I'm in lockstep with
- 1:49:15you. I just really think this year they can't afford it. I think
- 1:49:19you'll see one no on day three, just given cost control term all that
- 1:49:26aspect. Like you're sitting a guy and you take him in round four,
- 1:49:29round five, and that means you get him for forty years, and you're
- 1:49:30pairing him with these next two years of James Cook and maybe he takes over
- 1:49:33for Cook after if you don't give him a second contract. Like I think
- 1:49:36they will take a running back again, especially I think the sweet spot for
- 1:49:42running backs this year is like rounds three through five, Like based on who's
- 1:49:45there, there's not too many like oh, this guy's a top fifty lock
- 1:49:47or this guy's a top one hundred lock. Like there's so many like random
- 1:49:51skill set dudes like I like Dylan Lobby, like I like Machine Ali,
- 1:49:56like so many guys who I just think are so cool. But I think
- 1:49:59they'll get one just on day three. Man, they would piss everyone so
- 1:50:02much. They would like Zach Frasier in like round one and then like mar
- 1:50:08Sean Lloyd at sixty, like, oh my god, everybody, but it
- 1:50:13would make sense. I mean, dude, it would make sense. Dude.
- 1:50:15I'm sorry. I know that would piss people off, but it would
- 1:50:17make sense. Like now if they forced their hand and took like down Edwards,
- 1:50:21who I think is a I think he's a pretty damn good running back.
- 1:50:27Personally, I think there's some limitations with his game, but I'm not
- 1:50:31taking I love marsh On Lloyd, and I even like Edward's two to a
- 1:50:34degree, they cannot take They could not take a running back at sixty like,
- 1:50:38and I'm pro running back, they're pro Lloyd, but what if that
- 1:50:42run of receivers happen? And they're like, all right, the only way
- 1:50:46was probably a good offensive line. I mean, okay, So then they
- 1:50:48took Fraser in the first round. Okay, that's fine, Like what does
- 1:50:51edge look like? What does safety look like? What does corner look?
- 1:50:55All depends? But because if that run at receiver happened, then I have
- 1:50:59a feeling is kad there at sixty Like then I feel like one of these
- 1:51:03corners fell and I'm saying correct, like somebody from that's someone from a more
- 1:51:11premium position has fallen. And then I'm sitting there going okay, like there
- 1:51:16there's no way the best player available mixed with the need and value is a
- 1:51:20running back at sixty as much as I love marshn Lloyd. But again,
- 1:51:25and I'm also this conversation another time as well, like I'm also a big
- 1:51:28proponent of like I just I want the Bills to run the ball and throw
- 1:51:30and do downfield play action shots with Josh Allen who has a cannon and then
- 1:51:34you when you want to spread everybody out and just put him in hell and
- 1:51:36put him in a blender. But with this offensive line and with Alan as
- 1:51:41the quarterback, power run game and bootlegs and shots off of it like where
- 1:51:45Allen is just you know, you move, you adjust the line, and
- 1:51:48you move the pocket, and Alan can send moonshots and if not, he's
- 1:51:53got space to run or he's just trying to shake a lineback or a defensive
- 1:51:57exactly like, just I want that with how many issues they've had with generating
- 1:52:02explosives out of their regular dropback game, right, let's just do it the
- 1:52:06old school way and just make everybody suck up to play the run, and
- 1:52:10now we're taking moonshots down the field. But man, I would just from
- 1:52:15watching everybody watching the world burned if they went running back at sixty. Oh
- 1:52:18my god, I couldnot amaze if they take a running back at sixty.
- 1:52:21Whatever stream is happening on Cover one, I'm getting on right then and there,
- 1:52:26and I'm not I'm batting down the hatches. I'm putting like I'm treating
- 1:52:30everything like this to walking dead. I'm putting up two by fours on the
- 1:52:32windows like nah, I'm turning all the lights off, like I don't want
- 1:52:35to get one pizza. I'm getting the hell out of here. I'll already
- 1:52:39have a one pie pizza. But I'm hunkering down and you're not gonna hear
- 1:52:42ace from me for a long time, because I do not want to be
- 1:52:45caught in the crossfire for those people. Couple last pieces before we head out
- 1:52:49here. Deepest position in this class and shallowest position or positions in this class,
- 1:52:56you get it multiple for the deepest, multiple for shallowest? What do
- 1:52:59you got start with the deepest? Is there one that's head and shoulders above
- 1:53:01the other? Is there two or three what do you got for the deepest
- 1:53:04position or positions in this class? Yeah, I mean deepest is offensive line.
- 1:53:10I've I've reiterated. I mean that's just especially when you put the whole
- 1:53:13piece together like tacko and interior pieces, center included obviously, Like there's so
- 1:53:16much quality at the offensive line spot this year in this draft. Yeah,
- 1:53:20no, one hundred percent. I mean you're gonna probably see between those two
- 1:53:25right there, We're probably gonna see close to twenty five maybe thirty go.
- 1:53:29I mean, let's be honest, like, there's a lot there. There's
- 1:53:31probably even more. It's probably more than that. It's probably like forty five.
- 1:53:35I mean it's up there. It's a number to be a lot.
- 1:53:38Yeah, it's gonna be a lot. Next would be then wide receiver.
- 1:53:41I would just say from deep just from watching the tape, I don't know
- 1:53:44who's all gonna transition to successful players at the next level, but we'll leave
- 1:53:47that conversation for another day. Shallowest by far tight end tight end is all
- 1:53:55I've said linebacker. The more I watch, Like, you know, who
- 1:54:00was your tight end? Two Sanders? Yeah? Theo Johnson? Oh,
- 1:54:05okay from Penn State. Okay, fair and then that that there's just a
- 1:54:09drop off. I mean, and then I just, yeah, I've never
- 1:54:14liked be from Kansas State a lot, I really do. But O I'm
- 1:54:16like, I'm not sitting there being like, oh man, first round guy,
- 1:54:19but like I wouldn't be mad if my team took snat on Day two.
- 1:54:23I like Kate Stover. I mean like he's okay, like he's kind
- 1:54:27of forgotten about, but absolutely It's just one of those things. It's like
- 1:54:30I I love watching tight ends. I love being able to watch guys that
- 1:54:33can go out catch football block, Like you get the best of both worlds
- 1:54:38when you watch tight ends, and I always enjoy breaking them down and like
- 1:54:41going through summer study and fall and all that, like there just wasn't much
- 1:54:46there. And then like earlier, and I might have said it on this
- 1:54:49show, like I brought up linebackers, but like, the more I dive
- 1:54:54into him, I think you can find some feasible ones. Peyton Wilson,
- 1:54:58Edrin Cooper who I love, Jeremiah Trotter Junior is okay Junior errand boy from
- 1:55:04the Senior bowlhere you interviewed, Like I think he's going to be a Day
- 1:55:08three dude, Like, I like what he offers. He's he's calling that
- 1:55:11ND defense. He'ssing everybody, he's penetrating me. He's smart, Like he
- 1:55:15had to go back to twenty one when he was with the Kyle Hamilton.
- 1:55:18Dude, he was playing it like this, right, he played like the
- 1:55:23shell role. It's the weirdest. You have to go see it. It's
- 1:55:26the weirdest thing. I remember watching it on broadcast. I wasn't watching the
- 1:55:30table at the time, but I forgot that. And then he again,
- 1:55:31this is also kind of an insider piece as well, like I remember you
- 1:55:33showing us what you speaking with him, like after practice that Wednesday when we
- 1:55:41were at the seafood spot. It's just his answer to you was so great
- 1:55:45and so smart, and it's so in detail and in depth, and and
- 1:55:48it wasn't like he struggled to give that answer. It was just exhortlessly.
- 1:55:54Yep, exactly like he he impressed. I liked him at the Senior Bowl.
- 1:55:59I liked him even more when you like interviewed him. And then just
- 1:56:02yeah, he just flashes on the tape like when I'm I'm gonna usually not
- 1:56:05watching four Notre Dames defense, I'm watching for wherever they're playing offense against.
- 1:56:09But he I just keep seeing twenty seven making plays like left and right,
- 1:56:12and he's just so smart. But yeah, there is some value with linebacker
- 1:56:15too, that's fair. Yeah. And then and then you know another one
- 1:56:18is a UCLA kid, Darius Muasu. I think I'm saying that correctly.
- 1:56:24Three. Yes, he's all over the friggin place, just popping dude sideline
- 1:56:29to sideline, penetrating. I noticed him yesterday when I was watching Lotsu and
- 1:56:32Murphy like, and I I'm mad at myself cause I told myself to I
- 1:56:35was like, look up fifty three, and I completely forgot until right now.
- 1:56:39Yeah, he's just popping dudes left and right. Ude. Yep,
- 1:56:42he like a little bit undersize. He's like five eleven two twenty five.
- 1:56:46He didn't run fast like he ran like a four seven four seven five somewhere
- 1:56:50in that range. Shows on tape. He's going sideline to sideline against like
- 1:56:54bubble screens, like dudes are catching it behind the line and before they get
- 1:56:58five yards down field, he's eating him and b lining him and burying them.
- 1:57:01Yep. And I think with this new kickoff rule and stuff like that
- 1:57:04and the special teams value that we're looking for in the NFL. Now that's
- 1:57:09now coming back as everything comes full circle back to the NFL special teams actually
- 1:57:14matters circle, Yeah, you know, but he he would be a guy
- 1:57:18that, like I could see the Bills taking some interest in just simply because
- 1:57:23of kind of the athletic profile. But at the same time the special teams
- 1:57:27value. I think bringing in another linebacker doesn't hurt this team by any means,
- 1:57:32just because of Mulino just being banged up from time to time and those
- 1:57:38types of things. So I don't know. I think, yeah, the
- 1:57:41shallowest position is tight end, And we got on the linebacker thing just because
- 1:57:45I said I think on this show that linebacker was the more shallow position originally,
- 1:57:49but now that I'm through a lot of the final evaluations, tight end
- 1:57:54is by far. That's fair a sim boat as well. All Right,
- 1:57:57Russ's last question, what I think it phrases you. What three things do
- 1:58:02the Bills need to come away with from this draft? But it could be
- 1:58:04a big one. Now, it could be two, it could be three,
- 1:58:06it could be multiple. We've talked about a bunch here. What do
- 1:58:09the Bills need to come away with from this draft? Is it a player
- 1:58:14type? Is it these specific positions and addressing certain things. We've hit so
- 1:58:17much, But if you had to rank like this one thing or these top
- 1:58:20two or these top three for you that outsider analysis perspective, what do the
- 1:58:26Buffalo Bills need to come away with from this twenty twenty four draft? In
- 1:58:30tier? Offensive line is number one by far. I think I always take
- 1:58:36the scenic route with my answers. I can't just give you three possessions,
- 1:58:40three positions and move on. Like I like it, I like the context,
- 1:58:42I like the detail. I need the detail in tier offensive line.
- 1:58:45I think it's important to get a young piece in the middle of the offensive
- 1:58:49line, especially just throwing center out there. If you can find an upgrade
- 1:58:54there, do it. It's worth the first round pick, you get the
- 1:58:57fifth year option, potentially. Hearing that with Josh Allen, like you just
- 1:59:00look at the success of a lot of quarterbacks and I might there might even
- 1:59:04be a piece that I wrote on cover one years ago talking about this the
- 1:59:10importance of the center position and looking at some of the teams, and this
- 1:59:14was back in like twenty nineteen, So like you saw Ryan Kelly go Early
- 1:59:17he was there to be paired with Andrew Luck. Obviously Luck retired. You
- 1:59:21see it with Frank Ragnow. He was brought in for Matthew Stafford. Obviously
- 1:59:26Jared Goff has him. But when Ragnow's not in. We saw it earlier
- 1:59:29this year that offense struggled in Detroit. I think the thing is here,
- 1:59:31Mitch Morrise, Mitch Morse for Patrick Mahomes early on, like you pair those
- 1:59:35those young centers, where those established centers either in like high priority pick or
- 1:59:41a veteran guy to boost with those qbs, and you lost him now And
- 1:59:45like even when he if he didn't play at certain times for the Bills last
- 1:59:47year or years prior, the impact has felt. It is felt like I
- 1:59:51don't care what you watch on film and how you want to tell you like,
- 1:59:55oh it's okay the backup to film and his film is real. No,
- 1:59:58he's awesome. It's just suck a decent and decent enough cap number some
- 2:00:02concussion stuff. I think maybe they moved in more because they're trying to move
- 2:00:06to a different type of interior, like they want more like depth of the
- 2:00:10pocket, security and more anchoring, which is a strength of the government and
- 2:00:13moving towards center. But honestly, like if you take Fraser as a good
- 2:00:17anchoror and there really isn't anything that JPJ can't do, so like it's an
- 2:00:20upgrade, like either way. Yeah, So I think that's just I think
- 2:00:25that's when you make a move like that and you move on from a guy
- 2:00:28like that. To me, that's just I don't want to say it's a
- 2:00:30red flag, but it's like, hey, that's a light shining in my
- 2:00:33eye. I'm going to pay attention to that one. So that's why I
- 2:00:36put Fraser and Interier offensive line up there. Next for me would be defensive
- 2:00:43back. I just look at this team and if you can find somebody that
- 2:00:47can help make a difference and not just put it all on you know,
- 2:00:50the trade for Douglas or the signing of Edwards, Like you're putting a lot
- 2:00:56of pressure on guys that don't have anything beyond this year. Sure you could
- 2:01:00bring them back, but we don't know what the plan is and we don't
- 2:01:01know what's going to be offered, and those guys might bet on themselves and
- 2:01:04say, hey, I want a bigger deal. I you know, especially
- 2:01:08Edwards, Hey, I took the one year deal already. I'm not taking
- 2:01:10another one year deal. I'm gonna go get three years for fifteen million from
- 2:01:15the Chargers or whatever. So I think defensive back makes a lot of sense,
- 2:01:18you know, whether it's safety or corner. And then the last one,
- 2:01:23I'm gonna go with interior defensive line. I think you have kind of
- 2:01:26a well established interior defensive line, but you can make it better. And
- 2:01:30if you can, again, I would almost interchange them an interior offensive line
- 2:01:34at times like if you can go get Johnny Newton, cool, If you
- 2:01:38can go get Zach Fraser cool, But those are the two guys on the
- 2:01:41wish list for me on the bills. And if you can go get that
- 2:01:43guy, great. If you don't get Newton because he's gone, or you
- 2:01:45like Fraser more and you feel like, okay, at pick one twenty,
- 2:01:49I'm gonna get you know, an interior defensive lineman. Is that Michael Hall?
- 2:01:53Is that you know? Is that the root kit out of Clemson?
- 2:01:57Is there somebody else that you can get in that position? Cool? I
- 2:02:00think though, you have to add those three spots to really help your team.
- 2:02:04And I know the sexy pick is receiver. But I just the way
- 2:02:09that rosters shape, I don't see it. I just don't see it.
- 2:02:12And I think that's fair, and I appreciate the way you see things,
- 2:02:15and I appreciate you riding with me. Man. I didn't. I really
- 2:02:18thought. I was like, yeah, we'll probably come in like an hour
- 2:02:20and a half here here. We are not me, dude, We're always
- 2:02:24two hours. It's how we roll. I should known. I'm we'll throw
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- 2:02:30wind down here, Russ, before I do my you know, closing thoughts
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