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ICE agents to get electric shock gloves. Analyst sees 'intense trouble' · THE DAILY BRIEF

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  Speaker 1: Immigration and Customs enforcement agents and officers soon may be
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  Speaker 1: equipped with gloves that deliver electric shocks. ICE is planning
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  Speaker 1: to spend up to twenty million dollars to buy them.
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  Speaker 1: The manufacturer says that they are intended to de escalate encounters.
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  Speaker 1: CNN's Brian Todd is here in the situation room. Brian
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  Speaker 1: tell us more about these.
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  Speaker 2: Gloves have no potential for controversy here right, Pamela. As
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  Speaker 2: Pamela mentioned, ICE is planning to spend ten to twenty
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  Speaker 2: million dollars for purchasing these gloves. It is called quote
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  Speaker 2: the CTG five glove, and glove is an acronym. You
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  Speaker 2: see gloves that are very similar to the ones that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be used. Those are from the company's website.
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  Speaker 2: Glove stands for generated low output voltage emitter. Manufacturer Compliant
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  Speaker 2: Technologogy says these gloves are designed to de escalate encounters
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  Speaker 2: with people. They can deliver a maximum voltage of up
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  Speaker 2: to three hundred and eighty volts at a time. According
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  Speaker 2: to the manufacturer, that would quote inhibit and distract the
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  Speaker 2: subject from performing coordinated muscle movement. End quote. Now, according
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  Speaker 2: to the user's manual, no more than two of these
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  Speaker 2: gloves should be applied to a person at one time.
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  Speaker 2: They should not be used for more than fifteen seconds
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  Speaker 2: at a time. Company officials and distributors say they can
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  Speaker 2: end a struggle in three seconds or less. There is
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  Speaker 2: video that we've had we can show you here. This
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  Speaker 2: is the company president actually demonstrating this on a subject.
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  Speaker 2: And look, he does take him down there in about
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  Speaker 2: three seconds or less. And the gentleman there on the
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  Speaker 2: ground is a little bit shocked, but he is able
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  Speaker 2: to get up. One of the things, a couple things
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  Speaker 2: that you have to know about these things. They do
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  Speaker 2: not go through hair or clothing. They have to be
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  Speaker 2: applied directly to the skin. So that's one of these
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  Speaker 2: possible restrictions there of this thing. And the company is
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  Speaker 2: warning that they should not be used on high risk
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  Speaker 2: individuals like pregnant women, elderly people, small children, and severely
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  Speaker 2: disabled people. They should not be used for more than
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  Speaker 2: fifteen seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean how in a moment, how would an
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  Speaker 1: ice agent know if someone had a disability or if
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  Speaker 1: a woman was in her first trimester of pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: Here, you don't know, thinking, that's why this could really
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  Speaker 2: be controversial and I was also thinking about the alex
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  Speaker 2: Pretty death in January. That's in January in Minnesota. Right,
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  Speaker 2: he's wearing a lot of clothing. They're wearing a lot
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  Speaker 2: of clothing. It wouldn't have necessarily been a factor in
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  Speaker 2: that situation. So yes, you don't know if a lady
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  Speaker 2: is in her first trimester. If you're using this thing,
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  Speaker 2: you don't necessarily you can't necessarily see someone's disability almost
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  Speaker 2: immediately if you're using this thing in some cases. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is really, it really does have the potential for
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  Speaker 2: being controversial. It's not clear how many gloves are going
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  Speaker 2: to be purchased, how much each glove costs, or when
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  Speaker 2: officers are going to start to use them, but ice
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  Speaker 2: officers probably will be using these things before too long.
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  Speaker 2: And as we mentioned, ten to twenty million dollars, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to cost them. As Pamela and I have been
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  Speaker 2: talking about, it is controversial. Two groups, the National Immigration
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  Speaker 2: Law Center and the American Civil Liberties Union, have come
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  Speaker 2: out expressing criticism of the plan to use these gloves.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a quote from the National Immigration Law Center quote,
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  Speaker 2: this is a rogue agency with an eighty billion dollar
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  Speaker 2: slush fund that allows them to concoct and fund new
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  Speaker 2: ways to visit cruelty upon our communities. That group calls
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  Speaker 2: this disgusting and barbaric. But there is a gentleman who
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  Speaker 2: monitors the use of these types of devices, John Peters
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  Speaker 2: from the Institute for the Prevention of in Custody Deaths,
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  Speaker 2: who said, possibly, possibly, this thing could be an effective
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  Speaker 2: tool if an officer is getting resistance. Panel we should
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  Speaker 2: say that the Department of Homeland Security and the manufacturer,
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  Speaker 2: Compliant Technologies LLC has not responded immediately to our requests
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  Speaker 2: for further comment on how these would be used. But
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  Speaker 2: you can see clearly there is potential for misuse here.
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  Speaker 2: There's a potential for accidents. There have already been prosecutions
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  Speaker 2: for the use of these things in South Carolina a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, their use on inmates. So again
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  Speaker 2: it's already controversial. But again, could it possibly de escalate
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  Speaker 2: a situation where an ice officer or a Border protection
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  Speaker 2: officer isn't killing someone and instead uses this Maybe, but
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  Speaker 2: again ye, very controversial.
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  Speaker 3: Compliant Technologies makes the gloves and in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 3: distributors said the way the technology is used isn't capable
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  Speaker 3: of causing injury, adding quote, we usually get compliance within
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  Speaker 3: three seconds. This news comes as ICE agents are facing
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  Speaker 3: scrutiny over what critics are calling aggressive and dangerous tactics,
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  Speaker 3: and as the Trump administration is pushing for a quota
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  Speaker 3: to make two thousand arrests per day. DHS did not
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  Speaker 3: immediately respond to CNN's requests for comment on this story.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me now, CNN senior national security analyst Juliet Kiam,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the first and obvious question is what do
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  Speaker 3: you think about having this as another tool. Obviously we
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  Speaker 3: have seen, you know, police officers around the country using tasers,
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  Speaker 3: there have been some issues with those. But what do
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  Speaker 3: you think about these gloves and the possibility that ICE
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  Speaker 3: will be using these during detentions.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the gloves in theory, and glove is for generated
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  Speaker 4: low output voltage emitter, so it's glove. The gloves generically
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  Speaker 4: are a tool, so like you put them on, they're
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  Speaker 4: sort of an on off switch, So if you touch someone,
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  Speaker 4: they may not feel it. When you turn it on,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to get a voltage that's described as sort
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  Speaker 4: of an intense beasting. They're not supposed to do it
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  Speaker 4: for longer than fifteen seconds, So this may be helpful.
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  Speaker 4: And I will say that the devices have mostly been used,
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  Speaker 4: at least from the public record. The company is not
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  Speaker 4: speaking now, at least from the public record in confined
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  Speaker 4: situations a jail that may make sense because there's really
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  Speaker 4: no freedom of movement. Go forward to ICE and where
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  Speaker 4: we are now, this is asking for intense trouble for
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  Speaker 4: the American public. ICE is not known for de escalation.
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  Speaker 4: The rules of engagement for ICE are not understood. And
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  Speaker 4: with this mandate from the White House of two hundred
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  Speaker 4: two thousand arrests a day, you are now issued ICE
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  Speaker 4: to sort of go around touch people and zap them
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  Speaker 4: and say that they're not compliant. We know ICE, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be director. We know ICE lies. They've been
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  Speaker 4: shown to lie to have them, and so this could
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  Speaker 4: be a real danger for the American public.
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  Speaker 3: They have been shown to lie in court and so
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  Speaker 3: you know judges have made those made that very plain
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  Speaker 3: and clear. I do want to ask you about because
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  Speaker 3: we've talked about this before, but with this extra tool,
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  Speaker 3: when you consider the idea that there is a quota,
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  Speaker 3: most departments have gotten rid of these, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this was a whole big thing with law enforcement many
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  Speaker 3: many decades ago, and now that it's back for ICE
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  Speaker 3: and ICE only generally speaking, what does this do to
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement agents when they have this thing sitting over
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  Speaker 3: their head that, oh, we need to get two thousand per.
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  Speaker 4: Day and they have billions and billions of dollars authorized
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  Speaker 4: to do so. So it's the combination of the mandate
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  Speaker 4: with the resources that has become the sort of scary
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  Speaker 4: aspect of ICE for most of the American public. I'm Sarah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you raise this. People often ask me, like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you reform ICE? We have to abolish it. Look,
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  Speaker 4: and the America needs an enforcement agency, and one that's
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  Speaker 4: interior enforcement agency. We have unlawful immigrants in in the country.
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  Speaker 4: The White House promised that they would go after the
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  Speaker 4: worst of the worst. That is so clearly not true anymore.
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  Speaker 4: If you ask me, what is one thing that needs
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  Speaker 4: to be done to reform ICE to make it an
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  Speaker 4: effective and lawful law enforcement agency that has a mandate
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  Speaker 4: that is legitimate, it would be this quota. This quota
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  Speaker 4: is a political quota. It is not an operational quota.
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  Speaker 4: It's coming from Stephen Miller and Donald Trump and says
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  Speaker 4: two thousand, we need two thousand. Well, what that means
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  Speaker 4: is that senior managers are then pushing that down to
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  Speaker 4: the operational level. And then that means that these guys
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  Speaker 4: and women who have been onboarded with less training, uh,
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  Speaker 4: less support less rule, fewer rules of engagement are now
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  Speaker 4: deployed to satisfy a number. So so giving them a
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  Speaker 4: new tool is dangerous with this mandate.
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  Speaker 3: Julick, I am, it is always a pleasure to talk
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  Speaker 3: through these issues with you. There are big issues and
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  Speaker 3: they're not going away, so we will be talking a
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  Speaker 3: lot more about this in the coming days. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much.