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Feminist Movie Friday: 9 to 5 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm notcome to step
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Speaker 1: whenever told your production by Heart Radio.
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Speaker 2: And we for this feminist movie Friday. If you're happening
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Speaker 2: to listen on a Friday, hey, good job. If not,
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Speaker 2: no matter, it's still feminist movie day. Whatever day you
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Speaker 2: want to slip in there. We are throwing it back
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Speaker 2: all the way back to nineteen eighty y'all. Yes, for
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Speaker 2: a cult classic, which is now what it is, deemed
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Speaker 2: one with some interesting mixed reviews, but a movie that
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Speaker 2: has made its mark so much so that it spawned
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Speaker 2: TV shows, musicals, and even a possible remake currently in
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Speaker 2: the works. Supposedly, I don't know, there's even a documentary
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Speaker 2: of where we are now. Spoiler alert, We're not much
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Speaker 2: better off. Actually we're worse. We are talking about the
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Speaker 2: classic nine to five. So just an FYI, from the
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Speaker 2: day I suggested this movie to the day I wrote
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Speaker 2: this damn outline, changes have occurred and sadness has ensued,
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Speaker 2: and the way we were talking about this movie has
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Speaker 2: swiftly changed. So if something seems kind of like we're
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Speaker 2: coming backtracking and be like, well, it's actually this now,
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Speaker 2: it's because in the middle of literally two weeks. A
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Speaker 2: movie from the nineteen eighties has already changed, like perspectives
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Speaker 2: just within these two weeks of in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: Deep Breath and Out. But yes, so with everything that's happening,
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Speaker 2: it seems it is. It's the fact that we are
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Speaker 2: going backwards. We thought it would be a good time
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Speaker 2: to revisit a classic. One of the many things this
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Speaker 2: movie did. It catapulted the beginning of Dolly Parton's acting career.
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Speaker 2: It was her first debut. And even if people did
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Speaker 2: not like this movie, people said it was unrealistic. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it's unrealistic. Sorry. People said it was too cheeky. People
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Speaker 2: said it was too sitcomy, all of these, all of
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Speaker 2: these criticisms, but the one thing they all agreed, Dolly
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Speaker 2: Parton is a movie star. Literally was several different people's takes.
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Speaker 2: Most of the reviews that I read, by the way,
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Speaker 2: were from men, were from men, which should be noted anyway,
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Speaker 2: moving on, of course, she also helped with the musical
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Speaker 2: talent by writing the titled song and hit nine to five, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, Caroline Irvin, previous host of the show,
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Speaker 2: kills that song. It is her song in character see,
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Speaker 2: she does a phenomenal job. She dances, she takes on
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Speaker 2: the spirit of Dolly Parton, hits those high notes like
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Speaker 2: nobody's business just in case it's a banger, and she
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Speaker 2: hits it. Y'all anyway. Originally an idea from Jane Fonda
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Speaker 2: and others from her production company at the time, after
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Speaker 2: learning about a women's organization of the same name, nine
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Speaker 2: to five. A quote from her says, my ideas for
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Speaker 2: films always come from things that I hear and perceive
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Speaker 2: in my daily life. A very old friend of mine
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Speaker 2: has started an organization in Boston called nine to five,
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Speaker 2: which was an association of women office workers. I heard
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Speaker 2: them talking about their work and they had some great
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Speaker 2: stories and have always been attracted to those nineteen forties
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Speaker 2: films with three female stars. And yes, this is absolutely
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Speaker 2: that kind of like hijinks ensues with these three women's
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Speaker 2: trying to help each other out but supporting each other.
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Speaker 2: I love it. This movie has been impactful and still
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Speaker 2: things relevant today. So let's start with the characters. The
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Speaker 2: four characters were going to mainly talk about. Of course,
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Speaker 2: we will throw some other people in there, but just
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Speaker 2: so you know, Judy Burnley played by Jane Fonda, is
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Speaker 2: the new worker, new to work and recently divorced. Yes,
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Speaker 2: she had the stereotypical husband cheating on her with the
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Speaker 2: secretary of course. Then we have Violet Newstead played by
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Speaker 2: Lily Tomlin, which, by the way, one of my favorite,
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Speaker 2: older favorite movies when I first came into the US,
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Speaker 2: was called Big Business and it's with her, Lily Tomlin
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Speaker 2: and Bette Midler such a like. I have not watched
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Speaker 2: that since. But Lily Tomlin is a genius, is a
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Speaker 2: comedic genius. But she plays the pro and seasoned worker
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Speaker 2: who is the real brains behind the division, a widowed
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Speaker 2: mother of four trying to do her best in a
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Speaker 2: business that it doesn't appreciate women at all. She knows this.
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Speaker 2: Then we have Dora Lee Rhoades, the kind secretary who
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Speaker 2: is the constant victim of sexual harassment. Constant yeah, afeatly
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Speaker 2: so yeah anyway, And then we have Franklin m Hart,
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Speaker 2: the VP and jacks of the company slash of that
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Speaker 2: division specifically, so that's how we're gonna He is the villain,
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Speaker 2: if you needed to know, Like outside of many other villains,
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Speaker 2: he is the main villain, Like he is the stereotypical
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Speaker 2: Jack's mel white boss, balding mal white boss who has
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Speaker 2: to like you know, think he's real big. So anyway,
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Speaker 2: those are our characters. So jumping into the plot, we
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Speaker 2: are first introduced to Judy, who is starting her journey
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Speaker 2: in the working world after being out as a devoted
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Speaker 2: wife until her recent divorce. Violet has been assigned as
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Speaker 2: her trainer, who seems to train most people in the
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Speaker 2: office but never sees a promotion. We meet Franklin, who
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Speaker 2: was a dick, to put it lightly, and was even
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Speaker 2: trained by Violet herself. As Violet is training Judy, she
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Speaker 2: gives her all the office gossips and the no hows,
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Speaker 2: and even loose to the fact that many suspect that
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Speaker 2: the secretary Dora Lee, is doing the boss and getting
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Speaker 2: extra perks quote unquote. We are quickly introduced to the
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Speaker 2: fact that white men are the most likely to get
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Speaker 2: promoted and ahead in this business, in any business, even
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Speaker 2: to the point that Rank steals the ideas created by Violet,
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Speaker 2: and he does this often being praised for his genius
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Speaker 2: and know how. We also are quickly made aware of
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Speaker 2: Ross and she is the office tattletee and sickophant. Too
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Speaker 2: Heart even gets a woman fired for discussing the salary helloo.
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Speaker 2: As we go along, we find out that the company
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Speaker 2: is she and often mistrats all of the employees, including
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Speaker 2: the fact Violet has once again been left behind with
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Speaker 2: the current promotion, which went to another white man. Too
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Speaker 2: Heart says is better because businesses only want to talk
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Speaker 2: to white men. He says, men, but we know what
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Speaker 2: that means, and that he has also been spreading rumors
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Speaker 2: that he was sleeping with Dorley, so he's the one
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Speaker 2: telling everyone he's having an affair, who has been actively
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Speaker 2: trying to get away from his Vans's or sexual harassment
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Speaker 2: and pretty much assault to the points that she jokes
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Speaker 2: about it. She's like, I'm so used to this, which
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Speaker 2: I think that's more common than not. Unfortunately, so anywhere
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Speaker 2: after the three women decide all decided after a hard
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Speaker 2: day's work to get to go get some drinks. They
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Speaker 2: bond over the fact that they wish they could get
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Speaker 2: rid of the Heart with different detailed fantasies, including howk tying,
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Speaker 2: hunting down, or poisoning. All the while they're having the
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Speaker 2: best time being a little bit naughty. When Green nudgs
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Speaker 2: nudge that they smoke weed as they returned to work.
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Speaker 2: A misunderstanding of an accident may may have you know,
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Speaker 2: she may have almost put poisoned Heart. It's fine where
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Speaker 2: Heart ended up in the hospital and a whole hijinks ensues.
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Speaker 2: Dead bodies in a trunk, anyone police telling someone you
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Speaker 2: know they ate poisoning all those two things. Heart finds
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Speaker 2: out the accidental poisoning and how they try to play
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Speaker 2: it off, and he tries to use that against door
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Speaker 2: Lee and coercing her into having sex, which ended up
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Speaker 2: having him been hawg tied and kidnapped. It's a partially
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Speaker 2: true fantasy. The women soon discovered that Heart has been
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Speaker 2: in bezzling money from the company and decides to use
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Speaker 2: that information into lackmailing him or getting him fired. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: it will take up it to a month to get
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Speaker 2: all this information that they need slash evidence. So they've
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Speaker 2: come up with a plan. They're going to keep him
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Speaker 2: at his house where the ladies take over the company
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Speaker 2: and fix the problems. Heart was unwilling to do for
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Speaker 2: the company himself. Roz because she is a know it
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Speaker 2: all and with the noseat of a mall was also
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Speaker 2: sent to go learn French. As a part of the plan,
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Speaker 2: she was sent to a German linguistic school for a
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Speaker 2: possible promotion later down the road. All wise, soon it
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Speaker 2: becomes apparent that nobody actually missed Heart, and the division
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Speaker 2: soon becomes profitable with the implementations of things like job
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Speaker 2: sharing in office, daycare, rehabilitation programs, and equal pay what
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Speaker 2: And though the plan seems to be working, the wife,
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Speaker 2: who has been gone on a solo cruise, who is
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Speaker 2: a victim in this all, but she does keep her
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Speaker 2: eyes closed willingly believes the ridiculous but whatever, suddenly returns
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Speaker 2: home and is able to free Heart, though he doesn't
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Speaker 2: tell them right away. Instead, he goes to fix his
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Speaker 2: little crime. He's hiding everything that he's committed, and takes
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Speaker 2: all the women back to the office to gloat and
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Speaker 2: tell them that he was about to send them to
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Speaker 2: jail call the police. However, before he could do any
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Speaker 2: of that, the chairman of the company arrives to meet
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Speaker 2: with Heart and congratulate him in his success. And it's
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Speaker 2: during this time because of his great success and all
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Speaker 2: the gloating, Heart finds out he's about to be promoted
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Speaker 2: as head of the Brazilian office and transferred there as
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Speaker 2: a part of the promotion. Yay. Here the women celebrate
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Speaker 2: their success together because not only did they not go
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Speaker 2: to jail, their works have been noted and seen as
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Speaker 2: a good thing. Except for the whole equal pay thing.
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Speaker 1: Right, even that was too much.
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Speaker 2: That's a stretch too far. Change that back. They are
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Speaker 2: sitting together drinking their wine, toasting their success, and then
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Speaker 2: we get a little PostScript about everything turns out violent
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Speaker 2: ends up being VP. Think goodness. Judy Mary's the Xerox representative.
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Speaker 2: There's a whole like comedic moment where she's really fighting
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Speaker 2: the paper machine. And Dora Lee becomes a successful country singer,
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Speaker 2: which I'm like, they didn't have her sing it in
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Speaker 2: any of the They needed to have a moment where
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Speaker 2: she sings in there whatever. And then Hart is kidnapped
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Speaker 2: by what they say is indigenous people and disappears into
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Speaker 2: the Amazons, happy, never to be seen again. Happy endings
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Speaker 2: for a whole well so any parts of foremost Because
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Speaker 2: you've never seen this movie?
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Speaker 1: Correct, No, that was my first time.
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Speaker 2: What was your thoughts?
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought I thought I knew
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Speaker 1: what it was like. I knew that the boss got kidnapped,
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Speaker 1: like they kidnapped him, but I thought I had no
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Speaker 1: idea there was gonna be this whole middle section where
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Speaker 1: there's like car chases, a car escapes, and dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: And I kept waiting for whoever the dead body they
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Speaker 1: accidentally took they thought he had been poisoned. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I was like, I want to see the like side
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Speaker 1: movie of what what's going on there? And like I
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Speaker 1: had no idea that it was going to be all
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Speaker 1: of this stuff happening in it. And then the when
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Speaker 1: they smoked weed, Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. So it
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Speaker 1: was it was fun and it was pretty wild, like
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Speaker 1: a lot of action in it. Actually, there is a
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Speaker 1: lot of action.
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Speaker 2: This is I this is that slapstick that happened in
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Speaker 2: the Ages that came back to, but it was a
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Speaker 2: little different.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised, Like a lot of it actually
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Speaker 1: surprised me, even though I thought I knew what it
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Speaker 1: was and I did. I mean, it's really sad, but
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Speaker 1: it was kind of shocking at how much I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're still talking about that today.
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Speaker 2: These novel ideas that could would that is rarely instituted anywhere.
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Speaker 2: No one talked about the whole like giving away of
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Speaker 2: food as an incentive, which I loved, but someone that
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Speaker 2: was a thing. Yeah, so this whole movie. Originally they
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Speaker 2: had thought that they were going to do it as
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Speaker 2: a drama m and then they changed their mind and like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna they needed like a spoonful
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Speaker 2: of sugar to help them go down. Essentially, it's the ideals,
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Speaker 2: although people really didn't like that. Again, that was part
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Speaker 2: of the criticism, is like it was so over the
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Speaker 2: top that it's not believable, it's not worth watching, and
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Speaker 2: it doesn't really give a good turn on society. Weinstein
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Speaker 2: made a comment about how this really impacted women and
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Speaker 2: we need to pay attention to movies like this and
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Speaker 2: that oh interesting. Yeah. So there was a documentary about
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Speaker 2: Still nine to five, which we came back to because
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Speaker 2: we were trying to figure out if there was a
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Speaker 2: sequel or whatever whatnot, and then turned out that there
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Speaker 2: was a documentary and which is just talking about the
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Speaker 2: fact that nothing has changed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if that's I mean, it is upsetting,
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Speaker 1: but I wonder if that's one of the reasons, like
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Speaker 1: for me watching it for the first time now, Like
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Speaker 1: I'm just so familiar with that stuff that it was
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Speaker 1: kind of nice for it to not be a drama
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Speaker 1: to me, right, And it was kind of nice. I
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Speaker 1: loved how they had the friendship group, had their fights
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Speaker 1: and they all had like moments of before they just
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Speaker 1: seemed to break down, but they all kind of stuck
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Speaker 1: together and built each other up. Like I really appreciated that.
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Speaker 1: It was nice to It was nice to see them uniting,
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Speaker 1: and honestly, like I was surprised at how not graphic,
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Speaker 1: but how kind of openly they were talking about like
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Speaker 1: killing the boss, right and bonding over that, and I
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Speaker 1: was like.
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Speaker 2: It was tracking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, it just felt like I wasn't expecting it.
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Speaker 1: I just wasn't expecting it from a movie from that time.
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Speaker 2: The ready they were ready. I think there's so much
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Speaker 2: to be said. And I love that these women were
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Speaker 2: the ones that play these characters because it fit who
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Speaker 2: they are today, Like they kind of carried that even today.
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Speaker 2: I know Lily Tomlin, I'm sure they all are, but
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Speaker 2: Lily Tomlin and Jane fond adjusted projects together not too
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Speaker 2: long ago, Like they're still friends, they're still very close,
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Speaker 2: and this was the first movie I believe that they
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Speaker 2: were in together. And part of the reason she wanted
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Speaker 2: to do this movie was to work with Lily Tomlin,
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Speaker 2: especially in a comedic setting, because again she's an icon
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Speaker 2: and it comes to that comedy. She kind of comes
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Speaker 2: in that era of Gilda Radner, like they were comedians
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Speaker 2: to a different level. It really was the beginning when
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Speaker 2: you saw women making comedy like sitcoms and making slapstick
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Speaker 2: and being leads in it, and it was it was new, newer,
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Speaker 2: especially and Lily Tomlin was at the like the front
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Speaker 2: of that. And like I said, her and Bette Miller
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Speaker 2: and Big Business is one of my all time favorite movies.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how it holds up. It's on Disney right now,
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Speaker 2: not a sponsor.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of scared, but it's it's scary to revisit someone.
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Speaker 2: That's right, right, Because I was trying to find this
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Speaker 2: movie the stream somewhere and we could I couldn't, but
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Speaker 2: like Big Business popped up and I was like, oh no, anyway,
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Speaker 2: but it definitely has a lot of like their their
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Speaker 2: backbone in it, and you can tell it, you can
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Speaker 2: tell what it is. Immediately after that was Baby Boom
15:37
Speaker 2: came up like as a play after the fact because
15:40
Speaker 2: it's kind of reminiscent of the working woman having the
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Speaker 2: kid and all these things. It was interesting, but it
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Speaker 2: was this era when we were telling these different type
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Speaker 2: of stories from women's perspective. Women's perspective. Of course, it's
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Speaker 2: also during this time that the women can have it all? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: should have it all comes up and it becomes kind of.
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Speaker 1: Like a erk because it's you know, the eighties and
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Speaker 1: waitmen are coming into the workplace.
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Speaker 2: So speaking of which, so let's talk about some of
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Speaker 2: the things. And the first part is that whole women
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Speaker 2: in the workplace conversation. We had the part time employee
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Speaker 2: or a woman trying to be part time because she
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Speaker 2: has kids and really trying to change having to work
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Speaker 2: but being there, not being able to be for our
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Speaker 2: kids and need to be home for our kids. And
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Speaker 2: we also have the main character Violet, who has four
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Speaker 2: kids once as an adult but like she's a widower
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Speaker 2: trying to figure herself out as well as a recently
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Speaker 2: divorced woman. And that's you know, Jane Vonda's character Judy,
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Speaker 2: who's having to take care of her quote unquote take
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Speaker 2: care of herself and because her husband left her with
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Speaker 2: nothing essentially.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I did think it was interesting infuriating when
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Speaker 1: Violet was the promotion was turned down because the boss
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Speaker 1: was like, well people businesses like dealing with men, and
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Speaker 1: he really needed it because he has kids, and she
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Speaker 1: was like and I don't right, right.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, to see them like having these it was
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Speaker 1: interesting to have the different the dynamics of them. Because
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Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's character, Dora Lee too, she has a what
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Speaker 1: it seems to be a really loving relationship. Yeah, didn't
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Speaker 1: creep you out.
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Speaker 2: It creeps me.
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Speaker 1: Out because it's like smile for me, it's like.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah. So there were so many things to that
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Speaker 2: scene that really bothered me because you kind of see
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Speaker 2: Dora Ley painted as a uh, just a dormat and
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Speaker 2: so her trying to vent to her husband and her
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Speaker 2: husband's like, don't worry about a smile, let me let
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Speaker 2: me sex you up. That's all make your all better.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, was that really the solution? Like
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Speaker 2: this supposed to show that she's happily married and doesn't
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Speaker 2: want anything to do with him, and it's very satisfied
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Speaker 2: with this man, or is just just showing that she is, yes,
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Speaker 2: in fact, a doormat.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I think at the time it was
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Speaker 1: so she was happily married. I think looking back at it,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel that had.
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Speaker 2: Oh it was so creepy to me. So this is
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Speaker 2: one of those movies I told you at the very beginning.
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Speaker 2: It is somehow relevant but irrelevant at the same time,
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Speaker 2: like both the most relevant non relevant movie, the most
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Speaker 2: relevant that can't that doesn't withstand time type of movie.
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Speaker 2: Like it really so there's so many cringe things, but
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Speaker 2: on top of that that these issues still remain.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my vibe. But I mean, she was very
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Speaker 1: happy when he left, but she was more happy that
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Speaker 1: left he was out of town and so she was
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Speaker 1: more happy that she could share her house so they
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Speaker 1: could get high.
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Speaker 2: So many things. But yeah, so it was such a
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Speaker 2: weird like moment to me that like, this scene makes
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Speaker 2: me feel gross. I don't know why, but I don't
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Speaker 2: like this scene. And this is supposed to depict again
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Speaker 2: Liker being a happily married woman whatever whatnot. I do
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Speaker 2: think it's funny, like in every Poor Poor Dolly pardon,
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Speaker 2: she can't ever escape it, and she said she is
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Speaker 2: who she is and proud of herself. But the fact
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Speaker 2: that very first scene when we're interested introduced to Doorley, like,
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Speaker 2: we have Judy just staring at her breasts and shock
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Speaker 2: like just staring like poor dolly. Yeah she can't just.
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Speaker 1: Be to be fair.
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Speaker 2: We all know she's got beautiful knockers, so go ahead, ladies.
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Speaker 2: Is meant to like you do you But at the
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Speaker 2: same time let her be. But yeah, that whole balance life. Uh,
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Speaker 2: they're trying to figure it out. We also have Lily
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Speaker 2: Tommins character Violet's kind of bonding with her oldest son,
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Speaker 2: who is trying to be like, yes, you need to
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Speaker 2: do these things, you need to relax, you need to
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Speaker 2: do for you, Like he was giving her a lot
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Speaker 2: of good advice, like whether he knows it or not,
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Speaker 2: he was a feminist.
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Speaker 1: Ye also gave her the weed and gave her the waste.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it, I'm gonna put in your pocket book.
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Speaker 2: I got you, I got you. After she fixed the
19:53
Speaker 2: garage door herself because she don't need no man, just
19:56
Speaker 2: someone to make sure she doesn't fall.
19:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, that was a good thing.
20:01
Speaker 2: I liked that seed I did too, But it does
20:03
Speaker 2: come back to help out when she has to hang up,
20:07
Speaker 2: Oh dear heart, just in cases, just in cases. Of course.
20:12
Speaker 2: Another thing that was very quick slip, but I want
20:14
Speaker 2: to talk about it was that whole racism in the workplace.
20:17
Speaker 2: You have the one person, No, there's several black characters,
20:22
Speaker 2: but the first one you're introduced to is the mill
20:24
Speaker 2: I guess a person from the mail room because it's
20:26
Speaker 2: not a male man. There's not a male person. It's
20:28
Speaker 2: just like they go through the office and realizing he
20:31
Speaker 2: has been denied a promotion himself and he's been working
20:35
Speaker 2: there for so long, and he's like in his mind,
20:37
Speaker 2: he says like I can't even get out of the basement,
20:40
Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like it was a very
20:42
Speaker 2: like snip moment that a white woman would still be
20:46
Speaker 2: mm hmm with no experience, Yeah, we'll still be chosen
20:50
Speaker 2: over that. And so I was like, I feel like
20:53
Speaker 2: it's like they slipped it in there, but they never
20:57
Speaker 2: really because we do see black women being a part
20:59
Speaker 2: of the uh employee in the office. But I feel
21:02
Speaker 2: like that was purposely played in there, and UH, it's
21:04
Speaker 2: good to recognize that because real, of course, sexism in
21:09
Speaker 2: the workplace, that's obvious, right, like that's the entirety business, right,
21:15
Speaker 2: the entirety of the plot business is not working with women,
21:18
Speaker 2: Like don't want to talk to them, they don't think
21:19
Speaker 2: they're like competent to do so. The whole light taking
21:22
Speaker 2: credit for her work, pretending like he doesn't, that whole
21:27
Speaker 2: moment where he looks at the uh her proposal she
21:30
Speaker 2: sent to him about color coding something mm hmmm, and
21:34
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I oh, I have to look at
21:35
Speaker 2: that because there's they needs to be fixed, and then
21:37
Speaker 2: immediately turning around and using it to get more credit
21:40
Speaker 2: to credibility to his name. Yeah, or that could be
21:43
Speaker 2: just any underling versus like we know that's not necessarily
21:47
Speaker 2: just because she's a woman, but you know that, but
21:51
Speaker 2: who's being promoted, who was being seen, who was being noted?
21:54
Speaker 2: Like everybody who was ahead were all men of the
21:58
Speaker 2: departments as we saw.
22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it did come back to Biden. I mean
22:03
Speaker 1: that's what God him sent to Brazil, but he didn't
22:05
Speaker 1: want to go because he'd been taking credit for all
22:08
Speaker 1: their ideas, even if he didn't know it at that point.
22:12
Speaker 1: But he couldn't back out because it done so well.
22:18
Speaker 1: He's getting all his praise be.
22:20
Speaker 2: Like, she should be promoted, she's the one who did this.
22:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do that.
22:25
Speaker 2: And then of course a line that kind of was
22:28
Speaker 2: a tie line for him, her heart, the sexist, egotistical, lying,
22:31
Speaker 2: hypocritical bigot.
22:32
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
22:34
Speaker 2: It just follows him because they could repeatedly say that
22:36
Speaker 2: to him because he.
22:37
Speaker 1: Is he is. And I knew it watching it, and
22:40
Speaker 1: I was waiting for it, and I was like, I wonder,
22:41
Speaker 1: how like overt this is going to be pretty overt.
22:47
Speaker 2: The knogging of things to make Dorley pick it up,
22:51
Speaker 2: the cleavish shot in the mind of the scarf, the
22:55
Speaker 2: having Violet who was not his secretary, continually doing secretarial
23:00
Speaker 2: including going to buy a.
23:01
Speaker 1: Scarf that he lied and said was for his wife, right,
23:06
Speaker 1: it was actually for Dora Lee.
23:08
Speaker 2: And they all assume because he spread the rumor it
23:12
Speaker 2: was one of the parks she was getting for sleeping
23:14
Speaker 2: with them. Of course, sexual harassment, which this one was
23:18
Speaker 2: so intense that I was like, my god, and like,
23:22
Speaker 2: we have to have it in I think we I
23:25
Speaker 2: saw that I've watched this movie during one of our
23:32
Speaker 2: reproductive rights organization put on the movie, viewing as like
23:36
Speaker 2: a Q and a fundraiser thing that I actually went
23:40
Speaker 2: with Caroline with and we had that moment, and I
23:43
Speaker 2: think one of the conversation was, Yeah, just like you
23:45
Speaker 2: said earlier, these things are so likely or real that
23:50
Speaker 2: if it wasn't put into this extreme level of comedic scenery,
23:56
Speaker 2: nobody could actually watch this. No women could actually watch this.
24:00
Speaker 1: It would I it would be miserable. It would be
24:03
Speaker 1: like yeah, I know, yeah yeah, and then that all the.
24:09
Speaker 2: Time, yeah, being traumatized. Interestingly, I also was like, when
24:16
Speaker 2: she does the her taking it out on him, I'm like,
24:19
Speaker 2: this would never work because they would actually take that
24:20
Speaker 2: as an advance. He would jump on that immediately.
24:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So and you're talking about Dora Lee's fantasy, right, right,
24:30
Speaker 1: So in her fantasy, she's like, I'd reverse it essentially
24:34
Speaker 1: and give him a taste of his own medicine.
24:37
Speaker 2: Uh.
24:37
Speaker 1: And I mean it's very striking because you're like, yeah,
24:39
Speaker 1: this feels weird, like because she's a woman doing this
24:43
Speaker 1: to man. Not that that doesn't happen, but it felt
24:45
Speaker 1: very like, oh my god.
24:47
Speaker 2: Right, and it does happen, but in this specific scenario
24:50
Speaker 2: where he's harassing her and trying to coerce her, he
24:53
Speaker 2: wants her to do this, right, these are the things
24:56
Speaker 2: that he wants from her, right, So to me, I
24:59
Speaker 2: was like, this is this is not what you think.
25:01
Speaker 2: This is like it's not just the power it is yeah,
25:06
Speaker 2: so all these things to me, it was like okay,
25:08
Speaker 2: but also like I have experienced harassment, sexual harassment in
25:14
Speaker 2: a way that came off as jokes. Yeah, so this
25:19
Speaker 2: feels kind of like, yeah, this is the only way
25:21
Speaker 2: we could actually like be funny. But at the same time,
25:24
Speaker 2: that's what they do to hide it. So it kind
25:28
Speaker 2: of is that double standard, like, yeah, we gotta be
25:30
Speaker 2: careful on how we delete this. Again. They did what
25:33
Speaker 2: they had to do and could do in nineteen eighty so,
25:37
Speaker 2: but like forty five years ago, this was you know,
25:40
Speaker 2: trying to I think, trying to have men watch it
25:44
Speaker 2: and be like, you know what I mean, this is
25:45
Speaker 2: not you because you're not this extreme, But this happens,
25:48
Speaker 2: isn't that awful type of conversation and type of like
25:52
Speaker 2: light handedly like women go.
25:54
Speaker 1: Right, right, And I think the issue is a lot
26:02
Speaker 1: of men don't and I don't know, they don't realize
26:07
Speaker 1: that to them its normal. So it's like, yeah, I
26:10
Speaker 1: don't see what your issue is right.
26:12
Speaker 2: But she was able to say no, she's not like
26:14
Speaker 2: she couldn't say exactly, and she handled it. She didn't
26:17
Speaker 2: make it a big deal. She knew he was not
26:19
Speaker 2: completely real.
26:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I can admit I did appreciate. I liked
26:26
Speaker 1: how she was like, I've been upfront with you all
26:29
Speaker 1: of this, all of this, all this, but it was
26:31
Speaker 1: kind of unbelievable because you're like, yeah, yeah.
26:37
Speaker 2: This is not what happened. But the happier point of
26:40
Speaker 2: this movie, as you were already referencing any, is that
26:42
Speaker 2: this movie is about women supporting women. One thing that
26:45
Speaker 2: I have seen about Jane Vonda she loves her girls,
26:49
Speaker 2: she loves her friends, and she like vouches for our friends.
26:52
Speaker 2: I think she was already kind of marred by a
26:56
Speaker 2: lot of like politicians, and I guess Hollywood, especially rightly
27:00
Speaker 2: in Hollywood at that point, because she had been protesting
27:02
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War. People were pissing that she is anti
27:05
Speaker 2: American because she did not like the war. She felt
27:08
Speaker 2: like it was political dot dot dot. Even the way
27:14
Speaker 2: she speaks about like the rights of people today, she's
27:18
Speaker 2: never changed her stance. I honestly think the whole like
27:22
Speaker 2: we've seen was a big view to the government. I've
27:27
Speaker 2: not seen anything. I've not read anything. Maybe I've missed it.
27:31
Speaker 2: So if y'all know an article where she talks about that,
27:34
Speaker 2: I'm I almost like eighty ninety one hundred percent sure
27:37
Speaker 2: that she did this as of you to the government
27:40
Speaker 2: because it was their war on drugs, instead of seeing
27:42
Speaker 2: that their war in general was what they should be
27:45
Speaker 2: concentrating on. So it was interesting to me because she
27:50
Speaker 2: was that person, but like I said, her lover working
27:52
Speaker 2: with Lily Tomlin and making sure that this was in
27:55
Speaker 2: the forefront, her love for her friend from Boston, like
27:57
Speaker 2: loving what she was doing and wanting to be bigger
28:00
Speaker 2: and wanting to have a bigger conversation. I don't know
28:02
Speaker 2: if it truly worked like we're talking about it today.
28:04
Speaker 2: And if you weren't a huge fan and did this research,
28:08
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have known that it was an organization until
28:11
Speaker 2: after the.
28:11
Speaker 1: Fact, you know what I mean.
28:12
Speaker 2: I would have just thought this was a great movie.
28:13
Speaker 2: Moving on. Yeah, So it's an interesting take. And I'm
28:27
Speaker 2: trying to remember my family's liking of this movie or not,
28:32
Speaker 2: because my mom's very conservative, stay at home mom. I
28:37
Speaker 2: don't know if she actually watched it, but she loves
28:39
Speaker 2: Dolly Pardon. My family loves some Dolly Pardon. Christmas music
28:43
Speaker 2: is Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers. We are only vacation
28:48
Speaker 2: growing up was to Dollywood, So I can't imagine that
28:51
Speaker 2: they didn't know about this, but I'm sure we watched it.
28:55
Speaker 2: I just don't have a big significant remembering, like what
28:57
Speaker 2: their response was this to this.
29:03
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going back. I imagine I have no
29:07
Speaker 1: idea how your family responded to it. But going back
29:10
Speaker 1: to that double edged sword of making something more palatable
29:13
Speaker 1: so more people will watch it is I think probably
29:15
Speaker 1: a lot of conservative people watched it, and we're sort
29:20
Speaker 1: of like, you know, ha ha, that's the way it is,
29:24
Speaker 1: instead of ha ha ha. We should change this, like
29:27
Speaker 1: us is bad.
29:28
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's hahaha, that's so extreme that it's not realistic,
29:32
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen. So that, of course I made him
29:34
Speaker 2: a super villain in order to be palatable instead of
29:37
Speaker 2: having real life commonalities, and he gets punished in the end,
29:41
Speaker 2: and that's how they think it works. Like oh yeah,
29:43
Speaker 2: but if you truly are deserved to be punished, you
29:45
Speaker 2: will be right which is not what's happening. What happens.
29:49
Speaker 2: But yes, but back to the women supporting women, they
29:51
Speaker 2: they definitely do one right after, like still a body,
29:55
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to help you out. Let's put
29:57
Speaker 2: the body back. No one knows, no one needs to know.
30:00
Speaker 2: We got a plan.
30:01
Speaker 1: Was not expected that, that's one.
30:05
Speaker 2: Of the best. You poison them, Okay, let's get you
30:07
Speaker 2: a lawyer. We're gonna get you a lawyer. Calm down,
30:10
Speaker 2: all right. I also loved the whole shooting, like Judy
30:16
Speaker 2: has got the gun, which, of course Dolly Parton has
30:19
Speaker 2: a gun in her pocket. But I'm like, this is
30:22
Speaker 2: real legal. Yeah, even in the eighties.
30:24
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I would think so.
30:27
Speaker 2: But maybe not. Who knows. But like her shooting at him,
30:32
Speaker 2: hog tying, and everybody's like, okay, okay, hog tying that
30:36
Speaker 2: this makes sense. We know who to go to when
30:38
Speaker 2: we're in trouble. I love that they had a plan
30:40
Speaker 2: and we had each other's backs.
30:43
Speaker 1: They did, and like I said, I appreciated that they
30:46
Speaker 1: got angry at each other sometimes, right, but they were
30:48
Speaker 1: still like, no, okay, okay, we can fix it up.
30:51
Speaker 1: We can do this.
30:53
Speaker 2: I will say the entire time, Dora Lee seemed to
30:55
Speaker 2: be the most take charge yea of the people, And
31:01
Speaker 2: I love that when they discover they're going to they're
31:04
Speaker 2: going to change out the the fender or they're trying
31:09
Speaker 2: to pull the fender back and they're going to get
31:11
Speaker 2: the tool, they don't care that there's a body back there.
31:14
Speaker 2: They're more they are shocked that this is not the
31:16
Speaker 2: body they thought it was, but not too shocked because
31:19
Speaker 2: they're like, ah, Judy, can you come here for a second.
31:25
Speaker 2: That that playout was so funny to me that that
31:28
Speaker 2: like relaxed door Y's like.
31:30
Speaker 1: Huh, yeah, this isn't.
31:37
Speaker 2: Still my favorite.
31:38
Speaker 1: I also love everyone's really judgmental of Dora Ley because
31:44
Speaker 1: they think she's having an affair with the boss and
31:47
Speaker 1: so they don't sit with her and all this stuff.
31:49
Speaker 1: But I kind of love how Violet was like whatever,
31:53
Speaker 1: Like even from the beginning, she's like live and let live.
31:55
Speaker 1: I don't know, she.
31:56
Speaker 2: Actually says, good for you do what you need to,
31:58
Speaker 2: Like she actually just like if you have to do that,
32:00
Speaker 2: go for it.
32:02
Speaker 1: But I like how quickly, Yeah, they they really bonded
32:06
Speaker 1: and came together, and it was it was really fun
32:09
Speaker 1: to see them like some weed.
32:11
Speaker 2: Any they'll drink some little weed apparently, and a plan
32:16
Speaker 2: and a few.
32:17
Speaker 1: Plans responsible substance use.
32:21
Speaker 2: But yeah, like we said, but going on another theme,
32:25
Speaker 2: like we didn't really it's not a theme, but I
32:27
Speaker 2: think it's it's a fun side note again, apparently Reagan's
32:31
Speaker 2: wife watched the movie and it was doing Valentine's Day,
32:36
Speaker 2: I guess, and I don't know the release dateum might
32:38
Speaker 2: have been around that time. And apparently Reagan, Ronald Reagan
32:45
Speaker 2: liked it except for the wheat part. Like he made
32:47
Speaker 2: a statement about it and saying something about how it
32:49
Speaker 2: made it more appealing for the young folks. It romanticized
32:53
Speaker 2: it and they shouldn't have done that. It would have
32:54
Speaker 2: been fine if it would just been alcohol, is what
32:56
Speaker 2: he says.
32:57
Speaker 1: And I'm like, really, why, yeah, had to make a statement.
33:03
Speaker 2: Like I think he just made it, but like the
33:04
Speaker 2: fact that he liked the movie, and like, I'm like,
33:07
Speaker 2: and his wife really liked the movie. I'm like, your
33:09
Speaker 2: wife is a is a RaSE of the world, just
33:11
Speaker 2: so we know she's the ras if we needed to
33:15
Speaker 2: talk about it, and then unfortunately, we're kind of gonna
33:19
Speaker 2: go come back to what's happening today again, there talks
33:24
Speaker 2: about having it be remade. I believe Jennifer Aniston's companies
33:28
Speaker 2: looking into it about possibly making a remake. It kept
33:32
Speaker 2: saying this year. But I don't know if that's true
33:34
Speaker 2: or if it's just like that she'll always talk about it.
33:37
Speaker 2: I think it needs to be an action movie at
33:39
Speaker 2: this point. This needs to be like a Noahl's barred,
33:43
Speaker 2: like yeah, revenge film at this moment. This is what
33:48
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. So there's an article written I think
33:51
Speaker 2: it was in twenty twenty one, so not too recent,
33:55
Speaker 2: but you know recent enough about the movie titled why
33:59
Speaker 2: nine to five still resonates today, and it's by Karen Dusbaum. So,
34:05
Speaker 2: and they say it took social movements in the nineteen
34:08
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies to restore progress to women who had
34:11
Speaker 2: lost so much ground and leaped forward. So the success
34:14
Speaker 2: of nine to five in nineteen eighty captured that momentum
34:16
Speaker 2: and promised the future of positive change, a promise that
34:20
Speaker 2: as still working, nine to five will remind you still
34:23
Speaker 2: hasn't been fulfilled. And then on top of that, unfortunately,
34:30
Speaker 2: that movement that happened the sixties seventies that resulted into
34:34
Speaker 2: the Equal Employment Opportunity Act has been revoked with the
34:39
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act as of this week in twenty twenty five,
34:42
Speaker 2: today's January twenty three, twenty twenty five. I hope when
34:48
Speaker 2: people listen back to this, that we can come back
34:50
Speaker 2: about this being a dark moment and that has changed.
34:54
Speaker 2: This is this is my hope, because those types of revoking,
34:59
Speaker 2: like I can not believe this is the act he
35:04
Speaker 2: thought would really save everything. The tales from everybody talking
35:11
Speaker 2: about this is discriminatory, that this act was discriminatory. So
35:17
Speaker 2: somehow the people who have the most money, the group
35:21
Speaker 2: of people that has the most likelihood of surviving and
35:24
Speaker 2: being successful and having homes and being able to have
35:26
Speaker 2: this all that we've talked about, are suddenly being discriminated again.
35:31
Speaker 2: Somehow who are statistically more have more profit. And if
35:36
Speaker 2: you are wondering if just because you're white does not
35:41
Speaker 2: mean this help you, especially for the women. So just
35:46
Speaker 2: and I know our listeners they already know, they already know,
35:49
Speaker 2: and this is You're not the people that I'm talking
35:51
Speaker 2: to at all. Any Any immigrant, not any person of color,
35:56
Speaker 2: who really thought this wouldn't happen has happened. It's interesting
36:01
Speaker 2: because these movies are We're trying to be a cautionary
36:06
Speaker 2: tell and then like kind of like a hopeful future
36:10
Speaker 2: and then forty five years later we're worse than they were.
36:15
Speaker 1: Yep.
36:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, after I was finished kind of revamping and rethinking
36:25
Speaker 2: some of these themes, and I didn't we didn't change
36:29
Speaker 2: anything except we're like, we're gonna have to at least
36:31
Speaker 2: talk about where we are today. I really needed a nap.
36:36
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair.
36:41
Speaker 2: I was like, I just need to close my eyes
36:43
Speaker 2: when I talk about narcolepsy. I'm like, this is why
36:45
Speaker 2: I think I have narcolepsy, because when I'm stressed like this,
36:49
Speaker 2: my body physically shuts down.
36:53
Speaker 1: You know, we won't go into this now, but I
36:58
Speaker 1: was thinking about it recently and I was it's so
37:00
Speaker 1: interesting to me. I'd be so much more productive if
37:05
Speaker 1: I didn't have all of this bullsh to do with,
37:09
Speaker 1: and your capitalism would be doing a lot better. But
37:13
Speaker 1: instead I'm like, oh God, let me just sit.
37:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot especially as we wait to see
37:23
Speaker 2: if people because we know you already know ACLU has
37:26
Speaker 2: already gone after the administration for the immigration band taking
37:31
Speaker 2: this whole birthright citizenship, which apparently they can't do at
37:37
Speaker 2: this point. It's not legal. It's just yeah fluff. Yeah
37:42
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're not going to try. No, doesn't mean
37:46
Speaker 2: ICE has not already been out there. And we do
37:49
Speaker 2: want to come back and do an episode about what
37:51
Speaker 2: to know about your rights for any immigrants. Technically I
37:55
Speaker 2: am too, I mean I am a citizen. However it
37:58
Speaker 2: is naturalized, so we know the how back in go.
38:00
Speaker 2: So the fear is very real, but we will come
38:06
Speaker 2: back and we do want to talk about your rights
38:07
Speaker 2: and how to go forward in that. In this conversation,
38:11
Speaker 2: please know we love you, We're thinking about you. But
38:18
Speaker 2: on this feminist movie Friday, what I thought would be
38:21
Speaker 2: a conversation about a good old classic with things that
38:25
Speaker 2: we still need to learn. I didn't realize we would
38:27
Speaker 2: come back with this is no longer relevant because it
38:31
Speaker 2: is relevant, but less like I can't that fact that
38:38
Speaker 2: we're talking about it in a way that we have
38:41
Speaker 2: less rights than those people, than the people in this
38:46
Speaker 2: movie is phenomenal. So this is a fantasy. This movie
38:56
Speaker 2: is a fantasy.
39:00
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a fun one though, Yes, So if you.
39:03
Speaker 2: Would like to see a fantasy, feel good movie for
39:06
Speaker 2: the moment with a lot of eighties sit comic.
39:10
Speaker 1: Oh, the technology, we didn't even talk about that.
39:12
Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about the tap tap tap, oh,
39:15
Speaker 2: tap tap tip and then the giant.
39:17
Speaker 1: Phone head printer, the printer, ye.
39:20
Speaker 2: The giant. We didn't even talk about. The woman who
39:22
Speaker 2: was an.
39:22
Speaker 1: Alcoholic at the office.
39:23
Speaker 2: I feel you.
39:25
Speaker 1: I loved her. I love that she's like at a girl.
39:28
Speaker 2: Every single one of them, at a girl. I quit,
39:30
Speaker 2: I'm done for the day, and we could drink at
39:32
Speaker 2: a girl she said, medicinal purposes.
39:36
Speaker 1: I do love that they were all like, I'm going
39:38
Speaker 1: to get a drink in the middle of the day,
39:40
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, okay.
39:42
Speaker 2: Enjoy it. Kind of looks like, you know, like pre
39:46
Speaker 2: people having breakdowns at offices, like understanding, do not push her, Yes,
39:54
Speaker 2: let her go.
39:58
Speaker 1: You don't need this, you you don't want this.
40:00
Speaker 2: He let them go. But with all of that, we
40:07
Speaker 2: love you. Take the time to enjoy some of these fantasies.
40:11
Speaker 2: It's okay. You can't be in a constant plus state
40:14
Speaker 2: of panic. It's not good for you.
40:16
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. And we hope that these episodes,
40:24
Speaker 1: some of them, of course, we will be jackling current issues,
40:27
Speaker 1: but the ones where we get to have a bit
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