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SMNTY Classics: Media That Made You Question · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie Anne Smitha and wellcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I Never told you productive by Heardio and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a Pride Month classic. This is one we did that
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  Speaker 1: was a fun take on our feminist movie episodes. It
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  Speaker 1: happened to come out on Wednesday, but it was about
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  Speaker 1: media that made you question, you know, maybe maybe I
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  Speaker 1: might be queer. My famous example is Molder and Scully,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of people have was mine. Jessica Rabbit
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  Speaker 1: Jeska Rabbit was one. Yes. Yes, But one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons other than Pride Month this was on my mind
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  Speaker 1: is because we mentioned the Mummy. Oh yeah, and the
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  Speaker 1: Mummy is playing at a local theater, the Plaza here
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta during Pride Months, and I just kind of
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  Speaker 1: was like, hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: I mean people will talk about that the whole cast
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  Speaker 2: as being their awakening thereby because every single one of
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  Speaker 2: them was attractive to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's why I was like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: that was specifically what they were going for, but that
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  Speaker 1: is what I thought of. So yes, please enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: classic episode. Hey, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: I'm welcome to Stefan Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 1: and today we are. I'm not going to say cheating,
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  Speaker 1: but we're kind of doing a lighter feminist movie Friday
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  Speaker 1: slash Wednesday, probably Wednesday at this point, which we talked
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  Speaker 1: about in previous episodes, where we're just gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: fun like conversation about movies or media that personally made
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  Speaker 1: us a question if maybe we were gay, along with
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  Speaker 1: some popular internet examples. So we're not focusing on any
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  Speaker 1: one movie this time. I would love if listeners wrote
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  Speaker 1: in and contributed to this, because I saw when I
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  Speaker 1: was researching this some of them just tickled me so much.
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  Speaker 1: It was so specific. I loved it. I have some
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  Speaker 1: that are pretty funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, tickle me. Wow, that through me all. That's my
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  Speaker 2: mother's phrase. I've not heard you said that ever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm getting older. I liked it, Yes, so
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  Speaker 1: I know you've heard to talk about it. We have
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  Speaker 1: had a really busy couple of weeks. I'm still pretty exhausted,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, with recording this audio book and continuing
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  Speaker 1: to put out all of our episodes and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a bit of a lighter one,
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  Speaker 1: but we do try to as much as we like
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  Speaker 1: to highlight months like this. We do try to highlight
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  Speaker 1: stuff like this throughout the year. So if you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're not actually doing a queer movie, what we try
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  Speaker 1: to do them through all of our.
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  Speaker 2: Other just recently did the Trance movie.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a constant.
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  Speaker 2: We want to celebrate it all year long. That's never
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  Speaker 2: gonna hold us down. But also we want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about some of the movies that we love that we
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  Speaker 2: might not be watching right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think it's gonna be really fun.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to. I do have a couple of
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  Speaker 1: disclaimers at the top, one being you can find someone
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  Speaker 1: of the opposite sex or any gender identity attractive and
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  Speaker 1: not be gay, Like that's totally a thing who you
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  Speaker 1: are attracted to. Also, doesn't ness necessarily indicate how you
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  Speaker 1: actually identify, Like I am ace perhaps gray sexual, but
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  Speaker 1: I would say a sexual and bi romantic. So even
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  Speaker 1: though I'm attracted to people of all types, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily mean I'm bisexual, though I did identify it that
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  Speaker 1: way for a while, and it doesn't mean it won't
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  Speaker 1: change in the future. So and yeah, I we we
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  Speaker 1: kind of we're talking about this at a hangout we
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  Speaker 1: had and it was fun, and so we thought we
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  Speaker 1: would just share it. But yes, we're not. I think
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  Speaker 1: most of the things we're going to talk about are
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  Speaker 1: not things that have explicitly queer storylines. Some of them
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  Speaker 1: are kind of queer Baby, But we did want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about some of the surprise ones too that maybe
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily think of.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the majority of my movies that I
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  Speaker 2: picked up technically but not really queer Baby. It just
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  Speaker 2: happens to be the dairy role that they played, And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what I love about it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I think is so interesting. So before we get
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  Speaker 1: into our examples, and I guess we can kind of
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  Speaker 1: go back and forth, I wanted to give some popular
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  Speaker 1: internet examples plus ones that just made me laugh. Usually
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  Speaker 1: it has to do with being attracted to both the
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  Speaker 1: male and female leads, Like that's sort of the vibe
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people were putting down for this
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  Speaker 1: one of the big ones. When when I read it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, of course, was cruel intentions?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that felt queer beaty to me, though for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It probably was. I actually didn't see that movie until
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  Speaker 1: I was quite older like WIX seeing the last five years.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't, I guess because the queer beaty is
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  Speaker 2: specific to like pandering, they weren't necessarily pandering, But I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it was for shock value. Is that so
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  Speaker 2: queer baby?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of contention around that. It can
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  Speaker 1: be for sure it was. It definitely did have that
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  Speaker 1: shock value to it of like ooh, look at how
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  Speaker 1: quote deprived she is.
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  Speaker 2: And it was definitely like in the melgaze like still
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  Speaker 2: people who are like, oh what it was still sexual? Yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it's definitely more towards the mel.
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  Speaker 1: Gaze right right and peak behind the Curtain. We are
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  Speaker 1: reading Ginger Queer for the book club pic this this month,
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  Speaker 1: and I read it last night and it talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot about what we're talking about in here. And also
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  Speaker 1: I was researching the character Willow, who's our upcoming fictional
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  Speaker 1: women around the world. One of the things we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about all the issues going on with that.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that made her very groundbreaking
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  Speaker 1: was it wasn't done for shock value. It wasn't done
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  Speaker 1: for like, oh, look how sexual they are, Whereas this
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  Speaker 1: felt very much like the what you're saying Sarah Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Geller in both of these, but it was like, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Geller kind of what's the word for that? When
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  Speaker 1: oh ruining like an innocent person. It did have that vibe,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember it being like, oh, yeah, for sure, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so I totally get that. I totally get that. Example.
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  Speaker 1: Another one that came up that surprised me, but then
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  Speaker 1: when I was reading people's reasoning was the Mummy.
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  Speaker 2: What's surprising to you? Yes, how is that surprising to you?
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't? I Yeah, I sit you the whole
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  Speaker 2: there's a whole meme going around, like and it shows
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  Speaker 2: each picture and everything's like, yes, no, wonder. I was
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  Speaker 2: so confused between like each character, there's four amazing you're
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  Speaker 2: like five I think amazing characters that you just kind
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  Speaker 2: of sit there to stair at and you're like, what
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  Speaker 2: is this? What's going on here? And I will say
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  Speaker 2: Rachel Weiss has was also on my list for another movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she's on one of Oh she's not. I took
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  Speaker 1: it off, but yeah, no, I get I get that. No,
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  Speaker 1: but we have done The Mummy for a fictional movie Friday,
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  Speaker 1: and we did talk about how uh, one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons we chose it for that movie was there was
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  Speaker 1: a blog post about how they were kind of in
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  Speaker 1: opposite gender roles, almost like he was a very supportive,
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  Speaker 1: kind of holding her up and she was very assertive
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  Speaker 1: in all of these ways. So I thought that that
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  Speaker 1: was interesting. Another one that surprised me. And then when
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  Speaker 1: I thought about it, I was like, oh, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: should probably re examine this. Empire strikes back.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he had already stated that.
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  Speaker 1: I did, but not when I was a kid, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it ever occurred to me that I
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  Speaker 1: because most people said it was because they were attracted
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  Speaker 1: to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher on Solo and Princess Leiah.
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  Speaker 1: I was attracted to Luke and then I loved Leah.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't say it wasn't in love, right, But
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it occurred to me that it could
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  Speaker 1: be because it was such a young age, right, And
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  Speaker 1: then when I got older, I was like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: like if I had a chance with Leah, which I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't because she's too good for me, but if I did,
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  Speaker 1: it would be all about it. So it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: now that I think about it that was probably always there.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't believe that it was an option or
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  Speaker 1: a right. Another one that we've talked about, Jennifer's body.
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer's body, that's a I think we've already talked about
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  Speaker 2: that because we talked about this movie and what it
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be satire in itself, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I did feel queer, baby, but it was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: as a commentary, right, that's what we've decided.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And it was because it was shots with mostly
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  Speaker 1: women kind of controlling like the Angle, and it was
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  Speaker 1: women in it, and it was kind of their friendship,
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  Speaker 1: but also they were, you know, adolescents who were figuring
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  Speaker 1: things out as they say. Yeah, no, I totally get
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  Speaker 1: that one too. I totally get that one. This one
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  Speaker 1: cracks me up, Matilda, Matilda.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the Honey Okay, and there's a specific scene
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  Speaker 2: where miss Honey, like everyone kept using the gift where
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  Speaker 2: she brings her glasses.
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  Speaker 1: And it made me laugh so hard and I'm so happy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Completely didn't think about that one.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't either, And I don't think this
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  Speaker 1: was the what they were saying at all, but it
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  Speaker 1: did make me start thinking about how that sort of
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  Speaker 1: trope of older women who live alone must be lesbians.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they were saying at all,
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  Speaker 1: but it just kind of made me think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Mansfield Park? I have not, because
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  Speaker 2: the woman who plays Missus Honey is in Mansfield Park
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  Speaker 2: with Johnny Lee Miller.
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  Speaker 1: M hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just see if I can read off the cast,
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  Speaker 2: because if you like, I love this movie and it's
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  Speaker 2: the most ridiculous movie because it's an awful telling of
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  Speaker 2: Mainsfield Park. They took a lot of liberty, but it
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  Speaker 2: had like it had her, Frances O'Connor, who uh, she's
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  Speaker 2: doing several other things, King's speech, several other things, as
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  Speaker 2: well as Alexandro Novola. I think I'm saying his name right,
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  Speaker 2: and he's another big I think he's an English actor.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot what movie. But the four of them are
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  Speaker 2: probably the four most attractive people. And I say that
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  Speaker 2: as like the entirety of that cast. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm thinking about her relaying it to that movie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, they're actually really attracted. Oh maybe that could
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  Speaker 2: have been one of my lists because I loved that movie. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to make you watch it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm into it. I'm into it. Another movie I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen this Bridegreen Tomatoes.
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  Speaker 2: Are seen, Right, you have to remedy that soon.
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  Speaker 1: Another to the lists, another.
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  Speaker 2: Because I could see that there's so much to this,
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  Speaker 2: like because you know, I love women's friendships, love love
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  Speaker 2: love women's friendships and anything. And I loved their friendships
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  Speaker 2: so much that to the point, like because their relationships
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  Speaker 2: with men were so awful that you do want them
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  Speaker 2: to be with each other forever and ever and ever
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  Speaker 2: and ever. Right, and men are not portrayed well in
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  Speaker 2: this movie, and rightly, so I'm okay with it. But
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  Speaker 2: wanting them to be together makes sense. Yeah, And there
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  Speaker 2: is like conversation of like, if you look back, I
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  Speaker 2: think the actual book may have leaned it towards it. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: now that I'm thinking about it, I think the actual
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  Speaker 2: book does lean to that fact that they are they're
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  Speaker 2: in love with each other, but of course the movie didn't,
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  Speaker 2: so that makes more sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I found a whole essay about it. And
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about like, you know, they didn't say
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  Speaker 1: it in the movie, but they are queer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's great. The portrayals beautiful. Okay, all right,
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: don't we have to That might be a next month
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  Speaker 2: movie because we need to watch that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, i'rnt to that too for one. For one, it
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  Speaker 1: it's it relates to something else that I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about in a lot of my picks. But we
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  Speaker 1: also talked about in things like practical magic of that
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  Speaker 1: idea of you know, this friendship between women and kind
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  Speaker 1: of growing older together and a lot of people rightly
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  Speaker 1: or wrongly assuming or thinking like, oh, they must be.
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  Speaker 2: Really together instead of being But that's like we talked
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  Speaker 2: about platonic marriages before we did, and like it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I maybe this and you I've been talking about this recently, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and you and I have talked about it too, just
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  Speaker 2: like in general, like not having the fear of being
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  Speaker 2: single that's not a thing, and knowing that we'll be okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll survive. I think part of that is knowing that
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  Speaker 2: I have good friends like yourself and Caroline, who they're well,
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  Speaker 2: we're all like me. Caroline and myself are both the
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  Speaker 2: relationships and the majority of people are. But if we're not,
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  Speaker 2: we'll always be there for each other. Like it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter if things go right or wrong, however you want
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  Speaker 2: to see it because and that feels so secure that
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  Speaker 2: it makes everything else feel easier. Like I would rather
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  Speaker 2: be single with my friends who have all kind of
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  Speaker 2: come into this mindset, right, than miserable in a relationship
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  Speaker 2: where I'm isolated from my friends.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's that kind of level of like seeing that it's
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  Speaker 2: no longer said that you don't have the perfect marriage
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  Speaker 2: or whatever whatnot? Right, And I idealistic.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that there are a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: going on here, and one of them is something I
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  Speaker 1: want to come back and talk about in a happy hour.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned it recently, but platonic love can be so beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: and like the love between friendships can be so beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: like more beautiful than romantic love. But I think because
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  Speaker 1: so much of our media frames romantic love as the
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  Speaker 1: end all be all, this is the best thing you
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  Speaker 1: can achieve. And on top of that, we don't see
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  Speaker 1: a lot of queer storylines that a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: myself included, I've done it, do this where we're like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're queer. Maybe this is like the representation I've
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  Speaker 1: been waiting for. Yeah, where like patonic Clove should be
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  Speaker 1: just as respected and celebrated, but it's because we don't
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  Speaker 1: have those queer storylines. I totally get it too. But
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  Speaker 1: as I've been writing fan fiction, I've noticed I do it.
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  Speaker 1: I do it even though I don't believe it. But
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  Speaker 1: it feels like a relationship isn't as important or dramatic
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  Speaker 1: unless it's romantic, which is not true. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be one hundred thousand percent is not.
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  Speaker 2: True, And in real life, we don't want that drama
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  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I get wait makes her a good storyline, like as
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  Speaker 1: I'm writing it, but it does like.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, dramas I've seen that because I get so mad,
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  Speaker 2: like this is the dumbest thing. You shouldn't go for this, dude,
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  Speaker 2: he's awful. Why are you doing this? I've been yelling
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  Speaker 2: at this TV more recently and getting very upset at
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  Speaker 2: the lead and like this is awful. What are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: And then like knowing that if if they resolved that
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  Speaker 2: the way I wanted to, it would no longer be
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  Speaker 2: It would be the end of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Right still, right, yeah, yeah, No, I totally get it,
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  Speaker 1: And now it cracks me up that you're yelling at
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  Speaker 1: the TV that that's funny. I'm that person now, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: uh so, I guess we should break into our examples,
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  Speaker 1: starting with yours. The one that this whole.
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  Speaker 2: The whole conversation because you said that you brought up
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  Speaker 2: you like I'm interested in, you know, the movies that
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  Speaker 2: you made you go wait. And the one movie which
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  Speaker 2: ended up getting man's plain to us anyway was who
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  Speaker 2: framed Roger Rabbit? Because for some reason I watched this
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  Speaker 2: as a kid, and I know, like I think all
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  Speaker 2: of us had in moment like that is petrifying. Christopher
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  Speaker 2: Lloyd's character is the most petrifying villain I've ever met
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  Speaker 2: in my life. I don't understand how a cartoon got
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  Speaker 2: that freakishly frightening so quickly. The appearance of Jessica Rabbit
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  Speaker 2: singing why don't you do right? I it's a damn cartoon,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, what is happening? And obviously everything
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  Speaker 2: about that character is in the male gaze. It is
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  Speaker 2: definitely all very sexualized. She is a sexualized character. However,
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  Speaker 2: there was something to that performance and I was like, well, damn.
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  Speaker 2: And I say that with my full chest because I
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  Speaker 2: was I love love that movies probably I haven't watched
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  Speaker 2: it in years. I feel like we should do a rewatch, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: like I need to do this as an episode just
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  Speaker 2: for being funny, like maybe whatever. Whatnot not being a
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  Speaker 2: feminist movie because it's I don't it's not a feminist movie.
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  Speaker 2: There's no nothing about that is a feminist movie. Everything
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  Speaker 2: is about like being villainized essentially, and then you know cartoons.
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  Speaker 2: But but I did. I had that moment with like
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  Speaker 2: watching that performance and loving that song, loving that rendition
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  Speaker 2: of that song and having to not only did I
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  Speaker 2: want to be her, but yes, I wanted to stand
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  Speaker 2: next to her. Like that's the best explanation I had.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's yeah. That's interesting because that movie scared
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  Speaker 1: me so bad as a kid. I haven't seen it
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  Speaker 1: since I was very young, and I was like and
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  Speaker 1: I can't even tell you why. I just remember being scared.
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  Speaker 2: The eye, the high pitch, the it was scary.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to revisit it. I think we could have.
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  Speaker 1: We could have like a not feminist movie, unfeminist movie,
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  Speaker 1: because I want to talk about the Super Mario.
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  Speaker 2: Also movies that like we just want to make each
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  Speaker 2: other suffer. I feel like I make ourselves suffer.
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  Speaker 1: There's a part of it, but there's a joy in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: sharing the suffering there is, and I think there's a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: lot to talk about there. I definitely have felt attraction
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to cartoon characters, so uh, no judgment there. And I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: know people who Jessica Rabbit, you're not alone. I'm glad
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I Yeah, there was so vivid to me that scene,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: everything about that scene.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, what, yes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But yes, we did get a whole like ten minute
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: men explain about how that movie was one of the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: most incredibly expensive movies and all these things. You were
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: there with me, anywhy are you looking like your surprise?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I think I was over. I told you my ears
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: got I was getting caught in like fifteen different conversations,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: so I caught parts of it, but I was.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Like, I just sat there and stared at and I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Care to be fair, that is something I would do
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: if I'd had the right amount of alcohol. I would
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: tell you about you know, an empire strikes back, So
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I can't judge too hard. Oh yeah, yeah, Well so
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: for me, I'm going to kind of cheat and combine
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: some because I have more than you. But also, I've
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: talked about some of these before X files. That is
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: probably my first clear memory. I don't think it's the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: first time, but it's my first clear memory of being like, uh,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on here because I'm attracted to her? And
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: oh no, and one thing, one thing I want to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: bring up. And I know we're going to talk about
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this more in our book club, but you recently owned
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Sex and the City. You asked me, like, what is
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: your and I was like, I have such a specific type.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. And the more that I thought about it,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and after I read that book, I was like, it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: kind of for me. It's very specifically in it's effeminine men.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It's men who are pretty, but it's also people. It's
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: people who are like not they're not quite in their
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: very traditional stereotypical gender roles. They're kind of like more
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: masculine women or more feminine men. That's really what it is.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say Molder was a feminine at all,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: but he did have kind of my look. But she
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was a very kind of masculine even though she's beautiful
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in a pretty traditional feminine way, but she had a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like really masculine vibe about her.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's masculine more so, like just non binary,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: because I don't think she was either no smiled. We
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: just want to call it mass feeling because it wasn't
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: so feminine, right, No, I agree it was non binary
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: more so than anything else.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I agree, And that is a good point, and that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is what part of the book club it will be about.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's sort of more like in that place. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, And so I think that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: for me was a big That was the one I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was sitting in my room in seventh grade and I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, but now after I did this research
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I forgot I had a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: crush on Seth Green's character Oz.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I loved Seth Green. I love Redheads though. Yeah, Michael Rappaport,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: which he is a hilarious person, but I had a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: huge crush on him too. And I don't think I've
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: ever met anyone who would say.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That that's always a fun exercise. I might be the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: only person a huge crush on this person. Yes his Nardias, Yes, yes,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I had a huge crush on him. He's the reason
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I went to see Austin powers like, oh no, yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: old me who doesn't get these jokes, and made my
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: parents come and they're like, oh my god, it wasn't good.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It wasn't good. But yeah, I'm definitely like looks are
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a big part of it, but they come second to me.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's like I have to like the personal Usually, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: have to like the personality first, and then I'm like, oh,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they're so attractive. Sometimes it goes the other way, but usually,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I never really can. I remembered
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Seth Green very clearly, but will oh, I did kind
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of have a crush on two and then she started
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: dating Tara, and we're gonna talk about that in the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: fictional Women episode. But I was like, woo, I haven't
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: seen this before. Like honestly, legitimately, I've not seen it before.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very cute too, and it wasn't too
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like really hot women. Yeah, they were both cute. It
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: was different.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess mine was. I talked about this because
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it's probably one of the worst movies. I mean, in existence,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, like, the script is real bad,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the ending is real bad. Adam Sandler is real bad.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But it's Spanglish, it's pas Vega. It was only her
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: who actually is in the Netflix series Kaleidoscope, which I loved.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: That show was really fun to watch. I loved posit Vega.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but I was just like,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: holy crap. So it is like for me on this note,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: was I think most of these things now then my
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: last movie is not. But most of the rest of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: them were like just the women and like they're like,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if this maybe they're overall
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: avert sexuality. But it wasn't sexual, of course. Jessica Rabbit,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: yes it was sexual, but like for Pasvega, her character
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: was a mother and she's trying to comfort people and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: she's just kind of compassionate and all these things. But
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: there was something about her character that was just confidently
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: sexual without being overly sexual. I don't know what it was,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: but I loved I loved that movie. It's such a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: bad movie. Kyl Ilney was a great actress and she
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: did an amazing job, but you like she was created
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to not be liked, right, and I hate that for her. Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and she played it too well. And then Adam Sandler's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: just there. But I loved, loved watching Pasvega and was
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: a huge fan. And I know she was doing She
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: did Sex and Lucia, which won a lot of awards.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Like she was that was her big movie beforehand. But like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, she's just such a confident woman that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: it just her and pad Melashmi like to me, they're
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: on that see level that I'm just like, again, I
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: want to stand with you and I want to be you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: How do I do this?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's interesting?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that this whole like, man, how do
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I become more like you? But also can I be
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: with you here? Thank you?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Right? I remember Padlokshi was on your list of like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: dream guests.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, and we got rejected. I'm like, it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: probably a good thing because I think I would just
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: pass out.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I understand I have my guests like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that as well. But it was just funny. I don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: know how that interview is going to go.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: How would just that's out because I already get nervous
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: with people I'm not nervous around I know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Well, my next one is not a movie. It is
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a video game, Final Fantasy seven, and this is one
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of my favorite video games of all time. The part
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about specifically is pretty problematic, but I'll talk
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: about that more in a second. So the plotline is
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: way too confusing to break down here. But you're a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: crew of people and you're going to save the world.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And I had a crush on the main character Cloud,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: mostly because he was sad in the right way of
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: sat that I liked at the time, maybe be like, oh,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I can take care of you, which is not healthy,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I know, but it was kind of like that vibe.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's so tragic and let me
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: help you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But then there's a whole plot point in the game
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: where you have to Cloud, who's a male character, has
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to dress up as a woman convincingly and go on
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a date, and based on what you do, it depends
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: on the characters that go with you. But then later
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: who you end up dating, and you know, there's it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: harder to get certain characters. So the main two are
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Rath and Tifa, and I had a big crush on Tifa,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: even though I wanted him to be with Rith. They
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the kind of the sentiment
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you see with a lot of like young girls who
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: are fans of things where they're like, oh, they can't
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: end up with this person. It was more like I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just thought Erith and him were a better couple, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I was. I had a pretty big crush on Tifa,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and Tifa was really cool. She was definitely sexualized. She
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: is one of the characters that infamously has a huge
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like boob bouncing scene that is totally unnecessary, like completely
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and it's it's played for laughs for sure, because you
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: can end up with if you try really hard, you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: can end up with Barrett, who is like this big,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: tough black guy, and it's very like comical in the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: game that you end up together, which is not cool,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but I did. I think that whole matching people in
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: video games really did open the door for me where
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, well, they could be together or
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: they could be together. And I'm gonna talk about that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a bit more because part of my a lot of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: mine are not even I want to be with them.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It's that I liked that they were together and they
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: were gay. Yeah, yeah, yes, so that's Final Fantasy seven.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I remember when I was like, what is this and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that's a fast and Furious seven. I was so confused.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I should watch Past and Furious seven and see if
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: there's any anything going on.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, okay, just no, just just
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: automatically no it. Yeah. So one of the movies that
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: this is what I was referring to. That's the cast.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, yes, this cast Constantine because it is
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Rachel Vice, Keanu Reeves, Till the Swinton, and even Gavin Bush,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: like the four of them. Yes, just yes, a good pick.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about that movie until you said it, and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, just.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: If you the whole thing because like, first of all,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Till the Swinton in her own like non binary self
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: playing one of the archangels coming down and giving wrath
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and hate. Uh but like loving that, and then having
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Gavin Bush being the devil that just slides
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: away with his accent and bad acting and sly voice, Constantine,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves just coming in and out being angry and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: dying all the time, and then Rachel Vice, who they
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: don't have the greatest chemistry, I will say this, which
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is also why I think I did like it, because
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it felt like they're not gonna be together. I could
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: like both of them type of thing right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved that movie. I made my mom see it,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and she hated it because she was kind of religious.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: She's religious. But also that's the movie. I think I've
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: told this story before, but I ate a sixty four
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: ounce chocolate bar during it, and I threw up straight
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: chocolate for over an hour.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Did the sixty four ounce chocolate bar?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to say. It was foolish
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and embarrassing, but I paid the price for it, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I haven't done it since.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You surely did? You surely did.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's also when I learned to do the coin.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: They Yeah, I love that movie.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And in a recent interview, Keanu Reeves did was literally
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: saying that this is the one movie he wished he
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: could read like have a second movie, and he.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I think they're doing something.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Apparently there's another damn john Wick movies, So why can't
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: we have another Constantine?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: That's the call to action?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Come on for this, come on?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: No, I could definitely see that one.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was that was the pick was like, yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean we've talked about the Matrix, which I'm surprised
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't on that other list by the way.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it did show up, it just didn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: gehow up as much as the cow Yeah, I mean that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah h It's one of my biggest crushes I've ever had.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, well looking back for me Star Wars. As
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I said, obviously obviously, but I did want to say
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: with the sequels. I've talked about this before, but the sequels,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: as much as I was kind of like iffy on them,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: it was one of the first times I've shipped a
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: couple in a long time, and I was kind of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: surprised by it, which was a storm pilot po oh,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that's right. It's kind of a brief. It like flirted
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: out really quickly. But I remember it because it was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: alongside when I was coming more to terms with oh,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you're asexual, then what does it mean that I'm shipping?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Like I was kind of like, what's going on here?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So that was an interesting experience. And then, as I said,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a bright slash fan fiction now and I'm not sure,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got a lot to think about still,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: but one of the things I sent you that kind
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of cracks me up is this movie, little known movie,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I think it went straight to video called gold Diggers.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The Secret of Bear Mountain. This movie. I don't know
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: what was going on in my life that I loved
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this movie so much. But the plot is like, it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a very You've got your girl and she has to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: move to the country and there's talk of this trouble
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: maker who they become friends. Christina Ricci is the city
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: girl and Ah Slumsky is the kind of mountain mountain
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: girl and they become unlikely friends. It is a very,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like looking back, a pretty dark plot because Anna Slumsky's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: father's abusive and like you actually see it happen, her
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: mother ends up in the hospital, she has injuries. There's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like a near drowning scene that still.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Sticks with me.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: But I remember being pretty young watching this. I get
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: eight or nine, I think, and I wanted them to kiss.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I remember very clearly. I just was like, this is it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they should kiss and they're
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: perfect for each other, and it was sort of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I never would have at that moment said oh, you're gay,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but I just remember thinking, oh, I want so bad.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like Christina Ricci maybe a poster girl for
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: so many movies like that mm hmm, because she was
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: also in U now and then, which they like they
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: never pretend like any of them are lesbians, but it
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: definitely has like Rosie o'donald to me Moore all of them.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And there's this aspect of these like the girls being
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: so close that it kind of would make sense now
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and then. It's probably one of my favorite favorite movies
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: growing up. But like I'm thinking about so many of
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the things, is also like sleepy hollow, you kind of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: like she not that she want her to be with
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the girl, but she's she feels like she's built for
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: other women or some of the men. I don't know, Like, like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: am I being odd about this?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yes I am.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I can't specify why, because it's not
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like I hadn't seen movies that had to write girls
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and them that were best friends, and I hadn't been like, oh,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: they should make out this one in specific either the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: time was right. I haven't seen this movie in forever,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: so I can't say. Maybe there was some vibe going
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: on that I was picking up.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: On, don't it's always like again Christina Ricci, I think
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: it might be her.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: But also one of the things that and this I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: think I had not I hadn't even discovered fan fiction yet,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: but it was right around the corner was coming. But
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I really enjoy that can
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: be platonic and should be platonic, but also can be
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: romantic and should be romantic, is I love like when
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: people just fiercely care about each other, Like I love
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: like kind of that protective I'm with you, I'm going
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to protect you. And I feel like that's sort of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: what was going on here, is that they were both
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: very protective of each other.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely one of my my.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Things again now and then it was close to that
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: as well. I think I would I would go to
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that as well.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hmmm. Well, my final one I've already talked about,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and that was Black Swan, and I want to mention
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it because it was the first time in my entire
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: life I ever had a sex stream. Was after I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: saw that movie.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Natalie Portman did show up on a lot of people's list.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I was trying to think if she ever made my
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: list because I saw Black Swan coming up like and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: being like, ooh no, because I saw her in Shoot
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: where she's pregnant. Oh no, Her first movie I saw
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: was a professional Yeah, which makes me sad look back
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: on it because she was really mistreated. But I did
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: love that movie, and now I'm like, oh, no, that's awful.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: But then but then like.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: The movie uh where the Hurts?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, that when I read the book first, she was
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: so I thought she was such a bad actor.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: In it that I was like, No, I kind of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: had a crush on her, as Padme.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I assumed you did. I thought that's what you were
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: talking about when you were talking about like prequels and sequels.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, but I think again, I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: would have ever. I just assumed I wasn't gay, And
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it kind of breaks my heart now, right, But I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: just assumed I wasn't. So I think I was more like, oh,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: she's a really cool and I did find her very attractive,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: But I think it was more like I thought it
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was appreciating, Oh she's a beautiful woman, and look at
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this fashion, and she's like our lead character.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Was Kate blanch It on any of the lists,
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  Speaker 2: cause I would assume, like.
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  Speaker 1: The thor I didn't see any of that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But honestly, a character I would put her up there.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't if listeners. Again, please send in your thoughts. Yes,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: but because I didn't find as much as I thought
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I would, And it's perhaps I wasn't entering the correct
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Google search, but I didn't think because I would have
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  Speaker 1: included that, right, I don't think I saw that one,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: but I've even mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I mean between her and Tessa Thompson, I would assume
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  Speaker 2: the two of them would have been on that list.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I I thought there would be more Tessa Thompson, uh,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: because she was definitely but at that point I already
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: knew I was queer, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, but like maybe it's just all the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: old movies, because I would have, like I said, thought
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that that especially thora Ragnarrock would have been pretty high
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  Speaker 2: on that list because the two of them really just
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: kind of carried.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting if you compare sort of
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know, younger generations or generations, because that might show up,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: like maybe a decade from now on people's list who
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: haven't you know, realized that they're fi. Yeah, yes, that'd
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: be interesting, and again please send in your suggestions. But
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: also this was when you're attracted to someone that doesn't
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: necessarily add all mean you're gay. But we were just
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: having I know, this conversation about when you start to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: think maybe.
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  Speaker 2: At this point is like oh this makes sense, right,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Like for me it was X files and for not
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just me it was x files. But a lot of
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: people did say this is when I realized, right, So
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't have to be that, but it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: has been that for a lot of people.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And then for us it's just like questioning because they
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: could be like, oh that, I can see it. I
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: think that moment too.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I'm gonna afterward die. I'm
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: going to have this whole epiphany of so many more.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But I feel like gold Digger's The Secret of Bear
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Mountain was that that was that was gold. But I can.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Remembering that one between you and I and maybe with
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the who plays Roger Rabbit, but like, okay, that keep
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that in the interesting boy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I mean I have
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: on my phone because I'm a total nerd the list
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of all the crushes I've had in my life, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: some of them are outright embarrassing in their cartoons and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's like what was going on here? But Yes, we
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  Speaker 1: would love to hear from you about this. Listeners, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we will return with our regular feminist movie Wednesday Friday,
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  Speaker 1: unfeminist movie perhaps next month, but in the meantime, if
• 41:21
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• 41:24
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• 41:26
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• 42:07
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• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I have to know if they've heard of any of
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: these movies. Have y'all heard of any of these movies?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Because y'all are Youngin's.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, what are your examples?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe Constantine, but I'd like Who's Flamed Roger Rabbit? Do
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: they know about this movie?
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