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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Trial (Part 9-10) (10/20/21/26) · Beyond The Horizon

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to get right back to that
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell trial and we're going to see what went
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  Speaker 1: down on day number nine. To do that, once again,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: we're using eastidahonews.com and this time the author of this
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  Speaker 1: article is Kalama Hines. Headline, day number nine of the
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell trial. Fremont deputy describes graphic images of Tammy's body.
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  Speaker 2: 8.31 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Court is now in session. Chad is wearing a gray
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  Speaker 1: shirt and a yellow tie.
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  Speaker 2: 8.33 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: David Warwick, Melanie Gibbs' husband, is on the stand. His
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  Speaker 1: testimony began yesterday. 8.36 a.m. Pryor will continue the cross. 8.36 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asking Warwick about his previous testimony and communications with
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  Speaker 1: prosecuting attorneys. 8.38 a.m. Warwick says he does not recall...
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  Speaker 1: Looking at an affidavit, but did review a written document.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't know what it was called. 8.39 a.m. Warwick
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  Speaker 1: calls Chad meek, humble, and deeply religious. And hella moronic,
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  Speaker 1: if I can add a little something something to it. 8.41 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick momentarily forgets his wedding date. Voice seems a bit nervous,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never spoken with him. Well, that's to be expected.
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  Speaker 1: You're on the stand, right? Nobody wants to be up there.
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  Speaker 1: Talking to the jury, talking to the judge... Especially considering
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances that we're discussing here. Who the hell wants
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  Speaker 1: to be called up on the stand when it's something
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  Speaker 1: like this?
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  Speaker 2: 8.42am.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick and Gibb lived together for only several months before
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  Speaker 1: taking up residence in separate states. He says they were
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  Speaker 1: not married in order to avoid testifying against each other.
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  Speaker 1: And I've said from the beginning, the whole entire lot
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  Speaker 1: of these people were questionable to me. And I have
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  Speaker 1: a very hard time believing that they weren't discussing all
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  Speaker 1: this crazy wild stuff with Lori and Chad. Lori and
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  Speaker 1: Chad weren't, you know, private about their thoughts. They were
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  Speaker 1: trying to gather the 144,000. So all these people that
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  Speaker 1: were hanging out with them, they knew what they were
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  Speaker 1: talking about. They knew what they were up to. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I won't go as far as to say they were
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  Speaker 1: involved in any of the murders or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that kind of evidence unless we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Alex Cox. But there's no doubt. That all of
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  Speaker 1: these people that were hanging out, that were going to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, that were hanging out at the conferences, they're
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  Speaker 1: all questionable human beings in my opinion. 8.46 a.m. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: and Warwick ironing out the recollection of events on a
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  Speaker 1: Saturday evening when he recorded a podcast episode with Lori. 8.47 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick saw Chad late morning Sunday the following day. JJ
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  Speaker 1: was not there. Pryor did not ask about Tylee.
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  Speaker 2: 8.49 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad was wearing his church clothes when they met. Warwick
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  Speaker 1: says Chad did not get there until the afternoon. His
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  Speaker 1: church clothes, huh? So what, usually he wears his mom
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  Speaker 1: jeans and his New Balance? But when he's wearing his
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  Speaker 1: church clothes, he throws on his goofball dockers? It's like
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  Speaker 1: my cousin Veet. He has a couple tracksuits, right? He
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  Speaker 1: has one for going out during the day, and then
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  Speaker 1: at night, he has that special tracksuit that he puts on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for the special occasions.
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  Speaker 2: 8.50 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor does not understand how Chad would have been at
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  Speaker 1: this meeting if he was at church. Warwick says they
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  Speaker 1: were attending their calling, not a church service. 8.51 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick did not see Chad on Saturday. He did see
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  Speaker 1: him on Sunday. Pryor says those were the only interactions
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  Speaker 1: Warwick had with Chad that weekend. 8.53 a.m. On redirect,
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  Speaker 1: Warwick says he does not recall meeting with the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: yesterday or Sunday. 8.55 a.m. Warwick, still on redirect, says
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  Speaker 1: he told law enforcement he liked Chad. Warwick does not
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  Speaker 1: recall more descriptive language he used when discussing Chad. He
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  Speaker 1: will review a report from Detective Hermosillo for reference. 9 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Having now reviewed the report, Warwick says he was angry
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  Speaker 1: Chad told Gibb not to speak with police. When someone
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  Speaker 1: makes a call like that, something's wrong. Yeah, no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about it. The second somebody starts asking you some bullshit
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  Speaker 1: like that, that's the second to get the police involved.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody who's into calling the police or
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  Speaker 1: being involved with the police at all. But if there's
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  Speaker 1: a kid that's been kidnapped or a kid that might
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  Speaker 1: be hurt, that's the time, right? We're not talking about
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  Speaker 1: somebody coming over and asking you to hang on to
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  Speaker 1: an ounce of, you know, marijuana or something. These are
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  Speaker 1: children that are missing and they're calling you and asking
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  Speaker 1: you to be part of the bullshit. Yeah, something's wrong. 9.02 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick says Chad was manipulative. Describes Chad as a con man,
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  Speaker 1: developing people's confidence in him to his favor. Dude's definitely
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  Speaker 1: a con man extraordinaire. Anyone who could get people believing
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  Speaker 1: into this apocalypse bullshit the way Chad Daybell had people believing?
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  Speaker 1: Dude's definitely a con man.
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  Speaker 2: 9.02am.
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  Speaker 1: He says he saw a different Chad. He describes an
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  Speaker 1: authoritative voice.
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  Speaker 2: 9.03am.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick says he married Gibb because she is a wonderful
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  Speaker 1: woman who is great with his children, especially his son
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  Speaker 1: with Down Syndrome. 9.05 a.m. One of the attorneys requests
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  Speaker 1: a sidebar. Could not tell which. 9.08 a.m. Following the
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  Speaker 1: sidebar wicks him. Diving into the weekend to which Pryor referred,
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  Speaker 1: Warwick says Chad told him Tammy was healthy. Chad told
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  Speaker 1: Warwick he had a dream Tammy would die. 9.09 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick says he does not have visions of himself having
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  Speaker 1: superpowers or mystical foresight. Well, that's reassuring, huh? Dude's over
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  Speaker 1: here thinking he's what, Professor X? 9.10 a.m. Pryor will recross. 9.10 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Back into the timeline of the weekend, Saturday, when Chad
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  Speaker 1: told Warwick that Tammy would die sometime in the near future. 9.12 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warwick steps down. State releases him from the subpoena. Defense
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  Speaker 1: asks for the subpoena to be upheld. The state calls
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreaux. Melanie Polowski's ex-husband. Melanie is Lori Vallow Daybell's niece.
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  Speaker 2: 9.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon and Melanie were married for about 10 years from 2008.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon met her family, including Janice, Barry, Adam, and Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 2: 9.17 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon saw the Coxes about once a month. They would
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with Lori and Charles Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: He got to know them very well. 9.20 a.m. Brandon
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  Speaker 1: says everyone could tell JJ had autism early on. He
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  Speaker 1: was nonverbal. 9.20 a.m. Brandon now describes Tylee As a
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  Speaker 1: good girl, says there were times when she kept to
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  Speaker 1: herself and watched too much Netflix, but other times when
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  Speaker 1: she was sweet. Says she had good motherly instincts. 9.22 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon now asked about the relationship between Melanie and Lori. 9.22 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: He says Melanie's mother died when Melanie was young, so
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  Speaker 1: she looked up to Lori as a mother figure. Brandon
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  Speaker 1: says he and Charles Vallow had a good relationship. 9.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon says that things began to distance between Lori and
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  Speaker 1: Charles around Christmas. He thought it was strange to have
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  Speaker 1: someone he did not know, Melanie Gibb, there during Christmas. 9.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon spoke with his wife during that visit, says she
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  Speaker 1: seemed to find everything normal. Well, yeah, crazy recognizes crazy, right?
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  Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that all of these people are
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  Speaker 1: a whole ass brand of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: 9.29 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: In all of 2018, Melanie Boudreaux's approach to church changed.
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  Speaker 1: He says early on, she was not fully committed to church.
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  Speaker 1: Beginning fall 2018, she decided to start going to the
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  Speaker 1: temple daily. 9.30 a.m. He thinks attending the temple is
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  Speaker 1: a great thing, but believes some moderation is necessary. 9.31 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Going to temple is something someone does for themselves to
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  Speaker 1: make promises to God. Sees it as a once a
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  Speaker 1: month sort of thing. Daily visit is something someone would
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  Speaker 1: do when they're retired and have nothing else to do. 9.32 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Around the same time, Melanie began attending what she referred
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  Speaker 1: to as firesides. He did not acknowledge them as firesides,
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  Speaker 1: which he viewed as an uplifting gathering under the direction
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  Speaker 1: of the church. Firesides. All this stuff wrapped up in
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  Speaker 1: the shield of it being a religion, when in reality
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing was nothing more than a perverse cult.
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  Speaker 1: Being led by Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow. 9.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon was concerned when Melanie returned from one of these
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  Speaker 1: firesides wanting to build a massive food storage. 9.35 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: He suggested that these meetings were not focused on the
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  Speaker 1: core of their faith and says for the second time
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  Speaker 1: he did not attend any of the firesides. He tried
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  Speaker 1: but was informed he was not welcome. Well, he was
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  Speaker 1: a dark spirit, remember? Brandon Boudreaux was one of the darks.
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  Speaker 1: that Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell had to get rid of,
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  Speaker 1: so of course he's not going to be welcomed into
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  Speaker 1: the inner sanctum, right? 9.37 a.m. January 2019, Lori sent
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  Speaker 1: messages to family that Charles was cheating. Said she began
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  Speaker 1: taking things from him, calls it irrational. Found out later
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  Speaker 1: Charles' number was blocked on his phone. He believes Melanie
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  Speaker 1: blocked it.
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  Speaker 2: 9.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Says Lori left without JJ, adds that caring for JJ
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  Speaker 1: was a full-time thing. All plans had to be made
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  Speaker 1: around his needs. Melanie took Lori's side in the divorce.
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  Speaker 1: He encouraged they did not pick sides and loved Lori, Charles, JJ,
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  Speaker 1: and Tylee equally. 9.42 a.m. Brandon holding back tears, reminiscing
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  Speaker 1: JJ coming to his house with Charles to play with
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  Speaker 1: his kids. Describes the planning involved in hosting JJ. Brandon's
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  Speaker 1: son would help keep an eye on JJ while Charles
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  Speaker 1: and Brandon chatted it's just all sad man when you
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  Speaker 1: think about it right and you look at the big
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  Speaker 1: picture here and what went down my disdain for all
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  Speaker 1: of them grows by the second and all these people
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  Speaker 1: that were hanging out with Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Polowski and the rest of them They're lucky that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the investigator here, because I would have found
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  Speaker 1: some charges to slap them all with. It's too bad
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  Speaker 1: stupidity isn't a criminal offense, because if it was, all
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  Speaker 1: of them would be doing a life sentence. 9.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Late June 2018, Brandon and Melanie visited her family. He
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  Speaker 1: says a few things happened during that visit, including the
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  Speaker 1: unexpected death of his grandfather of a heart attack. 9.46 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: When Brandon learned the date of the funeral... He told
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  Speaker 1: Melanie he wanted the entire family to attend. Says Melanie refused.
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  Speaker 1: That led to an argument. Imagine your grandpa dies and
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  Speaker 1: your chick's like, nah, your kids can't go. We're not
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  Speaker 1: going to go to the funeral. Yeah, you're not, huh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you can stay home. My kids, they're coming.
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  Speaker 2: 9.48 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: During the argument, Melanie accused Brandon of hacking into Lori's computer.
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  Speaker 1: Seems Wood is leading to something defense doesn't want presented.
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  Speaker 1: Several objections to the line of questioning. 9.50 a.m. Brandon
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  Speaker 1: says Melanie never provided any evidence of his hacking Lori's computer,
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  Speaker 1: says it was just a wild accusation. 9.53 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: two argued from the afternoon through midnight. Melanie went to
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  Speaker 1: bed and Brandon stayed up troubled all night. He texted
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  Speaker 1: Lori and Charles, telling them if his family was ruined,
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  Speaker 1: it was on them. 9.54 a.m. Lori ignored the message.
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  Speaker 1: Charles responded the following evening. He and Charles spoke. He
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  Speaker 1: apologized to Charles for not being there for him. He
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  Speaker 1: says he felt like he believes Charles felt going through
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: a separation and divorce. Yeah, look, man, not easy, right?
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  Speaker 1: Losing your wife, losing your family can't be an easy thing. 9.55 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon says he no longer had any contact with Lori, JJ,
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  Speaker 1: and Tylee. He and Melanie were divorced. The process began
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  Speaker 1: immediately after Brandon's grandfather's funeral.
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  Speaker 2: 9.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Following the divorce, Melanie became cold to Brandon. He did
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  Speaker 1: not know what happened with Lori, Tylee, and JJ. Then
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  Speaker 1: on October 2nd, 2019, someone shot at him in front
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  Speaker 1: of his home. Imagine you're hanging out in front of
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  Speaker 1: your house and someone just starts popping off shots at
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  Speaker 1: you and you're just some regular old Mormon dude. Not
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: like you're out here living in the, you know, Central Valley,
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  Speaker 1: selling all kinds of drugs and shit. Just a random
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  Speaker 1: ass guy living his life. But because he got caught
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: up with Lori Vallow and her murder cult, They tried
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  Speaker 1: to clip him, too. 10 a.m. Brandon described his morning.
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  Speaker 1: Says he got his kids ready for school, dropped them
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  Speaker 1: off at school, and went to the gym. When he
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: returned from the gym, he saw a Jeep parked in
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  Speaker 1: the corner near his home, and he thought that was
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  Speaker 1: awkward and out of place. 10.02 a.m. He saw the
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  Speaker 1: window of the Jeep open. Then he saw a gun
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  Speaker 1: with a silencer, and his window was shot out. Rather
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  Speaker 1: than turning into his driveway, he floored it to the
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  Speaker 1: end of his street and parked near a community pool,
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  Speaker 1: where he called police. 10.03 a.m. He followed the Jeep
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  Speaker 1: when it left. I don't know what I was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Police told him to return to his home, so he did.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon says very few people knew he lived at the house,
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  Speaker 1: where he had only been living for a few days. 10.06 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon reported the incident to police, including providing a description
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  Speaker 1: of the Jeep. He later determined the Jeep was purchased
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  Speaker 1: by Charles for Tylee. 10.07 a.m. Because he was an
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  Speaker 1: insurance agent at the time, he had information for the Jeep,
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  Speaker 1: including the VIN, which he provided to police. 10.08 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: We will now take a morning recess, back at 10.30.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so like usual, this is where we're going
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  Speaker 1: to take our break as well, and we'll be back
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  Speaker 1: in the next episode picking up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found... in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're getting
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  Speaker 1: right back to the Chad Daybell court proceedings for day
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  Speaker 1: number nine. Once again, the author of this article is
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  Speaker 1: Kalama Hines, and it was published by eastidahonews.com. 10.45 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry being brought back in. Brandon Boudreaux still on the
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  Speaker 1: witness stand.
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  Speaker 2: 10.48 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Would publish photos of Tylee's Jeep to the jury. Brandon
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  Speaker 1: confirms that is the Jeep he saw the morning of
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  Speaker 1: October 2nd, 2019. 10.50 a.m. Brandon says the entire situation
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  Speaker 1: was traumatic. He knew a resolution wouldn't come quickly, so
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: he decided to help police in any way possible, including
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: hiring a private investigator. He also provided police with emails
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  Speaker 1: he received from Charles. 10.51 a.m. Those emails voiced concerns
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  Speaker 1: Charles had about Lori's mental health 10.52 a.m. Brandon believed
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  Speaker 1: a better understanding of the beliefs Lori and Melanie had
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  Speaker 1: taken on would help his situation. That was how he
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  Speaker 1: learned about the belief of light and dark spirits and
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  Speaker 1: that he was a dark spirit. 10.53 a.m. Brandon wanted
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  Speaker 1: to learn more about the person responsible for these teachings,
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  Speaker 1: so he googled Chad Daybell's name. He found an obituary
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy Daybell and he was shocked.
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  Speaker 2: 10.55 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: This was around the time that he learned that J.J.
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  Speaker 1: and Tylee were missing. 10.55 a.m. He got a call
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  Speaker 1: on June 9, 2020, informing him of the discovery of
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: their bodies. 10.56 a.m. He got married the following day.
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  Speaker 1: Shortly after that, he felt the need to go to Rexburg.
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  Speaker 1: He drove from Arizona to Idaho. He was asked to
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  Speaker 1: ID J.J. 10.57 a.m. He identified J.J. using photos of
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: his deceased body on June 11th. Brandon crying on the stand. 10.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: That concludes direct examination. Pryor will now cross. 11 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks how close Alex Cox and Lori were. Says
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  Speaker 1: Alex often moved from state to state, city to city
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  Speaker 1: with Lori. 11.02 a.m. Brandon agrees with Pryor that Tylee
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: often was like a second mother to JJ. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: if JJ relied on Tylee for things Lori did not provide.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon is noncommittal in his response. 11.03 a.m. Pryor says
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  Speaker 1: Charles and Lori discussed Charles naming Lori as the beneficiary
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  Speaker 1: on his life insurance policy. Brandon cannot testify to that,
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  Speaker 1: says he and Charles did not discuss that. 11.05 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor now asking about the relationship between Lori and Melanie Gibb. 11.05 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor suggests Gibb plan the firesides. Brandon does not know
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  Speaker 1: if that is correct. 11.06 a.m. Prior shifts gears to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the temple visits. Brandon tries to explain some of the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: events that occur at the temple. Prior cuts him off
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  Speaker 1: to direct him towards the sealing ceremonies. 11.09 a.m. Prior
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  Speaker 1: and Brandon now discussing the firesides. 11.11 a.m. Prior asks
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  Speaker 1: Brandon if he is aware of people who claim to
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  Speaker 1: have visions about the future. Brandon says he has never
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  Speaker 1: had such visions and does not personally know of anyone
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  Speaker 1: who has. 11.12 a.m. Brandon says that he is not
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  Speaker 1: personally aware of Latter-day Saint teachings regarding light and dark spirits. 11.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon steps down and is released from all subpoenas. Attorneys
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  Speaker 1: and judge in a sidebar. 11.15 a.m. State calls Ryan Pillar. 11.17 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pillar is an officer with the Gilbert, Arizona Police Department. 11.19 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Idaho State Attorney General Ingrid Beatty is on direct examination. 11.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pilar was among the officers who responded to reports of
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the Brandon Boudreaux shooting incident. 11.21 a.m. Pilar says there
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: was evidence that Brandon's vehicle has sustained damage from a
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: projectile and that there was a Jeep idling leading up
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to the shooting. 11.22 a.m. Descriptions of suspect vehicle match
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that of Tylee's Jeep A dark gray Jeep displaying a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Texas license plate without a spare tire attached to the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: rear hatch. 11.24 a.m. Pilar learned of a recent homicide
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: in Chandler, Charles Vallow, involving family members of Brandon's ex-wife,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Melanie Boudreau. So he reached out to Chandler PD for info.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Learned a dark gray Jeep registered to the deceased was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: at the scene. 11.26 a.m. Gilbert PD designated Alex Cox
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: as a person of interest involved in the Boudreaux shooting.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox was an absolute piece of garbage. And while
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the world is certainly a better place without his bitch
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: ass in it, he should have had to face justice
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for what he did. Instead, he took the coward's way out. Oh,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I know the official narrative says that he died of
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a heart attack, but I don't believe it. The walls
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: were closing in and old boy decided to have an
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: opioid cocktail.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: 1126 a.m.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Pilar found in investigating the Jeep that it had traveled
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to and from Rexburg. Pilar called Rexburg PD and Fremont
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office to serve a search warrant on the Jeep. 11.27 a.m.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: While searching the Jeep, Pilar and other officers collected physical evidence,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: including DNA swabs and gunshot residue evidence. 11.29 a.m. Attention
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: shifted from Boudreaux shooting to the missing children in late
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: November after the Jeep was processed by evidence texts. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: then keep in mind, all of a sudden, all this
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: other stuff goes on and Alex Cox ends up dying. Boy,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that's convenient for him, huh?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: 11.30 a.m.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Pilar says his department found no evidence either child was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: in Arizona in 2019. 11.31 a.m. Pilar stopped surveilling Cox
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: on December 12, 2019, when Cox died. Officers executed a
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: search warrant of Cox's home. They found guns, clothing, literature,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: authored by Chad Daybell. Inside his Cox truck, they found
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: gun paraphernalia.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: 11.33 a.m.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: That concludes direct examination. Judge requests sidebar before cross. 11.35 a.m.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Boyce excuses the jury momentarily so he and the attorneys
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: can discuss the next witness on the record outside the
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: presence of the jurors.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: 11.36 a.m.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Boyce says he is concerned about the witness directing comments
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: at the jury following testimony. State and defense both acknowledge
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the concern. 11.38 a.m. Prior on cross. 11.39 a.m. Pryor
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: says common denominator of instances is Lori Vallow and Alex Cox.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Pilar agrees. 11.40 a.m. That concludes Cross. No redirect. Pilar
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: steps down and is released from the subpoenas. So, again,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Pryor is trying to make it out that it was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox and Lori Vallow who were steering this ship. And,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: according to Pryor, Chad Daybell was just, you know, a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: passenger along for the ride. Now, good luck convincing the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: jury of that, but make no mistake, that's what he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: attempting to do. 11.42 a.m. State calls Deputy Coulter Cannon. 11.43 a.m.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Cannon is with the Fremont County Sheriff's Office. He is
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a school resource officer and a patrol deputy. 11.46 a.m.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: On October 9th, 2019, Cannon was on patrol when he
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: received a call reporting a suspicious circumstance involving Tammy Daybell.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Someone pointed a paintball gun at her in her driveway. 11.49 a.m.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Court listening to the 911 call reporting the brandishing of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: what was believed to be a paintball gun at the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Daybell home. 11.52 a.m. Court now listening to Tammy's 911
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: call reporting the gun incident. 11.52 a.m. Tammy says she
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was removing stuff from the backseat of her car and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: found a man wearing a mask pointing a paintball gun
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: at her. She yelled for Chad, and the man took
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: off around her house.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: 11.53 a.m.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Tammy says the man holding the gun, like a rifle,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and shot at her, but nothing came out. Can you imagine?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't a paintball gun. This gross-ass, disgusting, beaver-faced son
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of a bitch, Alex Cox is over here, playing the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: part of some two-bit-ass hitman. 11.54 a.m. Cannon says he
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: responded to the call's, Around 9 p.m., the sun was
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: going down. It was dusk, he says. 11.56 a.m. Upon arrival,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Cannon drove around the property searching for the assailant. Wixom
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: asked for a lunch break. We will be back at
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: 1 p.m. So we're not going to take a break here.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: We're just going to roll through and we're going to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: finish it out. 1.06 p.m. We are back and the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: jury is being seated. 1.10 p.m. Fremont County Deputy Coulter
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Cannon is still on the stand. Trial will conclude early today.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: so there will not be an afternoon recess.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: 1.10 p.m.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Cannon again says he searched the area around the Daybell home,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: looking for the person who aimed the gun at Tammy
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: on October 9, 2019. 1.10 p.m. After searches were unsuccessful,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Cannon spoke with Tammy, who described the incident. She apparently
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: confronted the gunman, who did not say anything. Tammy described
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: hearing two pops, but nothing was discharged from the gun.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: 1.11 p.m.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Chad did not say anything to the officer. Cannon said
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Chad would have heard the entire conversation. Cannon found it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: odd that Chad never seemed to take any protective actions,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: hearing what happened to his wife. Imagine someone fires off
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: some shots, or almost fires off shots at your wife.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You don't put up security cameras. You don't do anything
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to make sure that your people are safe. 1.12 p.m.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Cannon searched the area for paintballs or shell casings, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: found nothing. 1.13 p.m. Cannon and other officers returned to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the Daybell home to search and investigate a second time. Again,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: nothing of evidentiary value was found. Direct done. Pryor will cross. 1.15 p.m.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked about the two separate police reports filed by
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Cannon regarding the incident. The first, he says, was short.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Cannon agrees. Cannon also says his body cam was not
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: active because it was broken. 1.19 p.m. Pryor asked to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: publish a photo of the report. Following discussion, the reports
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: will be admitted and published. 1.20 p.m. Pryor asks Cannon
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to read the first sentence of the report. Pryor asks
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: why Cannon made it a point to include the word
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: gun after paintball. Cannon? Well, it's a paintball gun, so... 1.21 p.m.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks to play the 911 calls from Tammy and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: her son-in-law Joseph Murray again. 1.22 p.m. A couple months later,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Cannon's second report is longer, Pryor says. Cannon says he
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was told by a supervisor to add further details to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: his report. 1.23 p.m. Pryor asked if it was really
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: important to add more details or if Cannon's supervisors were
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: trying to put a gun at the scene. 1.25 p.m.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked why Cannon, why his second more detailed report
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: contained that Tammy described there being a gun believed to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: be a paintball gun. 1.28 p.m. Original report said suspect
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: was around 5.10 p.m. 190 pounds. Second report listed six feet,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: 200 pounds. Prior suggests it was changed to better fit
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox description. OK, nice try. But is there really
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that big of a difference if somebody is standing out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in their yard and someone pulls a gun on them
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and they say, oh, he was 5'10, 190 as opposed
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to six feet, 200 pounds. You're really going to be
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: able to tell the discrepancy.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Stop it. 128 p.m.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Cannon says to his knowledge his supervisors were not intentionally
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: trying to link Cox to the incident. 1.30 p.m. Joseph
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Murray did not report hearing a gunshot. Cannon did not
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: ask him. Pryor asked why it was so important to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: include the word gun but not important enough to talk
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to the witness and ask if he heard a gunshot. 1.30 p.m.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked what info Cannon received to lead him toward
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a gun involved and rather than a paintball gun. Cannon
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: says it was info he received from Tammy. 1.32 p.m.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Tammy's 911 call is being played for a second time. 1.33 p.m.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Tammy's first mention of gun without proceeding with paintball is
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: when she says the man holds it like a rifle.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks when that was said. Cannon says later in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the recording. Pryor says he never heard that. He heard
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the recording stop. Cannon says that's because Pryor stopped it. 1.36 p.m.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Despite several prompts from Pryor, Cannon will not concede. that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the incident was certainly a paintball gun incident.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: 1.38 p.m.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Wood on Reed Direct asked about Fremont County Police regarding
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: body cams. Cannon says the Sheriff's Office does not require
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the use of body cams. Police reports, he continues, are
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: how deputies document incidents and their responses. 1.39 a.m. Regarding
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the time differential, Cannon says he used a timestamp from
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: his being dispatched. You'll remember that Joseph Murray called before Tammy. 1.40 p.m.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Cannon says there was nothing he discovered that rules out
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that incident could have involved a real gun. 1.41 p.m.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Cannon did not think to ask Murray about hearing a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: gunshot and believes that would be a detail he would
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: have brought up without prompting. 1.42 p.m. Cannon is dismissed
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and released from his subpoenas. State will call Elisa Greenhall. 1.43 p.m.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Greenhall is a Fremont County Sheriff's Deputy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: 1.45 p.m.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Greenhall responded to reports of an unattended death, Tammy Daybell. 1.48 p.m.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Court listening to audio from 911 call received a reporting
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Tammy's death. 1.50 p.m. I'm Chad, the husband. She's clearly dead.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: He begins to cry. Oh, what a good actor Chad
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Daybell is. Crying in tears of joy, probably. 1.51 p.m.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Greenhall says the call came in around 6 a.m. 1.51 p.m.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Garth Daybell, Tammy and Chad's son. Let Greenhalgh into the home.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Chad was there. Later, more family arrived. 1.53 p.m. Greenhalgh
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: says Chad was definitely more emotional than Garth. 1.55 p.m.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Chad told Greenhalgh Tammy woke up in the middle of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the night in a coughing fit and had to vomit.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: He said he woke to find her unresponsive and had
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: fallen partially off the bed. 1.56 p.m. With Garth's help,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Chad moved Tammy's body back onto the bed, the covers
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: were pulled back, up to cover Tammy's shoulders. 1.58 p.m.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Greenhall checked Tammy's body and says she was colder than
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the room and rigid. 1.58 p.m. Chad said Tammy had
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: been suffering from a pretty bad cold, but did not
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like visiting the doctor. He says she recently fallen and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: visited the doctor. Well, that's convenient, huh? Doesn't like the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: doctor when she's sick, but she falls and she'll go.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense, Chad Daybell. Also that she
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was going through menopause and suffered from feigning spells. 1.59 p.m.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Greenhall requested for assistance from detectives in investigating the death.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: The detectives told her to take photos and allow the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: coroner to decide whether an autopsy was needed.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: 2.01 p.m.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Greenhalgh says she found nothing suspicious about the scene based
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: on the info provided by Chad. No one else provided
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: any info on Tammy or about her death.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: 2.02 p.m.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Garth never said anything. He was present for the conversation
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and never interjected. 2.03 p.m. Wixom asks for the admittance
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of evidence exhibits but requests a sidebar prior to publishing. 2.03 p.m.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The evidence, I believe, is photos of Tammy's body taken
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: by Greenlaw. 2.04 p.m. Look like Larry Woodcock used his
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: brief break to stretch his legs. He's sitting in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: back row with a woman who looks like Kay. For
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: those watching the video, you will know that the picture
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is not perfect. 2.08 p.m. Attorneys and judge still in sidebar. 2.10 p.m.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Following the sidebar, judge informs the court that the upcoming
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: exhibits will be graphic. They will be published. 2.13 p.m.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: The exhibits will be published to the jury, but not
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: broadcast publicly.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: 2.15pm.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Greenlaw describes the first photo of Tammy's body as she
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was in bed when the officers arrived. 2.15pm. A second
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: photo was taken to show the pinkish foam running down
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Tammy's cheek. I like to document any body fluids that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: are present.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: 2.16pm.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: A third photo shows Tammy's arms were positioned uncovered by
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the blanket. 2.17pm. A fourth photo with a coroner present
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: showing Tammy's body position with the mattress shifted a few
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: inches from the box spring below it. She says this
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: corroborates Chad's telling of him and Garth moving Tammy's body. 2.19 p.m.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: A fifth photo to document discoloration in Tammy's right ear. 2.20 p.m.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: A sixth photo is a close-up of Tammy's face showing
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: blood around her nose and mouth and facial discoloration. The
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: foam from her mouth flowed down the left side of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Tammy's face consistent with Chad's telling of the events. 2.21 p.m.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: A seventh photo showed blood and foam from Tammy's mouth.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Greenlaw says she had never seen an unattended death where
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the deceased had blood and foam coming from the mouth,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so she found it important to document. 2.22 p.m. An
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: eighth photo shows Tammy's face after the coroner wiped some
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of the foam and blood away. 2.23 p.m. A ninth
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: photo taken after the passage of some time shows bruising
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on Tammy's head and face. The pink foam was not
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: present in the photos. Greenhall says she did not personally
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: remove it. 2.25 p.m. Greenhall says there was lividity, bruising
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: from blood pooling following Tammy's death, in Tammy's lower back
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and the back of her thighs. Greenhall says it shows
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Tammy was on her back for some time after she died. 2.26 p.m.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Greenhall never discussed the possibility of an autopsy with Chad
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and never heard anyone else do so. 2.27 p.m. Greenhalgh
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: was told Tammy took meds for depression. Greenhalgh found no
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: evidence that Tammy may have overdosed on any of these meds.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: She never found anything suspicious at the time. 2.30 p.m.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Prior on Cross says it was determined an autopsy would
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: only be performed if the Daybell family requested one. Greenhalgh confirms. 2.31 p.m.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Greenhalgh confirms the meds Tammy was taking. She was experimenting
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: with essential oils. Chad told Greenhalgh, There was also cough
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: medicine next to the bed. 2.33 p.m. Among the meds
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: found was also a respiratory blend and something to treat bruising. 2.34 p.m.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Greenhall agrees that Chad was more shook up and despondent
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: than anyone else in the house. 2.35 p.m. Pryor suggests
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Tammy was dealing with unexplained falls, then confirms Greenhall was
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: not using a body cam or recorder while present for
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the investigation into the unattended death. 2.36 p.m. Pryor suggests
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the pink foaming was from anemia. Greenhall cannot confirm. She
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: does confirm, however, that there were no signs of a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: struggle in the home. 2.37 p.m. Tammy's daughter, Emma, told
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: officers that Tammy had slowed down recently. 2.38 p.m. Pryor
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: reads from a report about something Greenhall says she does
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: not remember. Greenhall informs him he is reading the coroner's report.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: That concludes Cross. Wood, back for redirect.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: 239.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Wood focused on the non-prescription treatments found at the home.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Greenhalgh had no information, outside of what was provided by Chad,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: about who was taking the meds and for how long.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: 240 p.m. Wood asks about Tammy's seizures. Greenhalgh does not
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: recall that, confirms it's possible Chad told her one thing
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and the coroner another. 241 p.m. Greenhalgh dismissed and released
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: from all subpoenas. Boyce requests Sidebar to discuss whether the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: next witness will be called now or tomorrow morning. 2.43pm.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Boyce calling it for the day. Alright folks, so obviously
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that's the end for us as well. And with the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: way things are going, it looks like the end is
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: near for Chad Daybell as well. All of the information
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to the program.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: In this episode, we're getting right back to it with
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial as we recap what went down
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: during day 10 of testimony. Once again, we'll be using EastIdahoNews.com
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and the author this time around is Andrea Olson. 8.38 a.m.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Court is now in session and the jury is being
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: brought in. 8.39 a.m. Chad Daybell is wearing a white
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: shirt and a tie.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: 8.40 a.m.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: The state will be calling Brenda Dye, who is a
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Fremont County coroner. 8.43 a.m. Fremont County Deputy Prosecutor Rocky
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Wixom is questioning Dye. Dye has been the coroner since
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: January 2019, and they are discussing what kind of training
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that she has. 8.44 a.m. We respond to unattended deaths.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Determine cause of death. I sign off on the death certificate,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Dye says.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: 8.45 a.m.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: We look for weapons, we look for medications, we look
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: for health history. Dye is talking about responding to an
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: unattended death, which death is not directly under a doctor's care.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: 8.50am.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: How do you know what lividity means? Wixom is asking. Dye,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it's the lowest point of the body of the blood
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: pools when somebody is no longer living. It looks like
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a bruise. It helps Dye know how the body was
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: found and the position the body was in at the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: time of the death. It's important to know if the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: body was moved. That's the most important, Dye said. Rigor
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: mortis is stiffening of the body and occurs two to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: six hours after death. Releases after eight hours of death.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: This is important to determine the time of death, Dye says.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And whenever you are trying to put together what happened,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: finding out the time of death is very important, right?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So the coroner The medical examiner, they have a process
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that they follow so that they can determine when the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: death occurred and then go from there as far as investigation. 8.51 a.m.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Di is being asked if she knew any of the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: day bells and she says no. She received a call
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: from dispatch that there was an unattended death that she
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: needed to respond to. She received the call early morning.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: This is back in 2019. 8.52 a.m. Di called her
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: deputy coroner to come. It took Di 45 minutes to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: get to the scene of the Daybell's home. The deceased
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: husband was very distraught and crying, Di says. I observed Chad,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the husband, very upset and distraught. Garth, Chad's son, was
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: emotionless to me, Di says. This is when Tammy Daybell died,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and Di responded. Note, Tammy Daybell died October 19th, 2019. 8.54 a.m.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: After I looked at the body, I questioned Chad about
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Tammy's past health history, Di says. 8.56 a.m. I am
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: holding a picture of Tammy deceased on the bed, Di says.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: She was handed an exhibit. 8.57 a.m. I observed the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: blood coming from her mouth, kind of a pink foam.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: She was wrapped in a blanket. I asked if that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: was the position she was found, and Chad said no,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Di said. She was hanging off the bed, Chad told her.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: When he discovered that she was dead, they called Garth
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and picked her up off the floor. A 58 AM.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Di looks to see if there was signs of any struggle.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: She saw rigor mortis and lividity. Di said Tammy was
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: cold to the touch, and Di learned Tammy died on
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: her back. 9 AM. Chad said to Di that he
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: felt her body roll off the bed, and that's what
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: woke him up. I asked him how it was possible
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: because she was really cold. Di says he thinks it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was because... He pulled on the sheets and Tammy was
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: going through menopause and she liked to sleep with her
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: feet out of the bed. This clown had an answer
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: for everything, right? The only problem is these answers are
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: all ridiculous. And I'm sure the jury is feeling the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: same exact way as we all are. 9.02am. Chad said
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Tammy had been feeling really off for the past few months.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Ty says she felt outside of her body, not normal.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And she had been having fainting spells and one occasion
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: they were at the office at the temple, and Tammy fainted.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: She had low blood pressure, but didn't seek medical attention,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and she didn't like going to the doctor, and she
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: treated everything naturally. There was a natural remedy book in
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the side table in her bedroom. 9.03 a.m. At about 12.30 a.m.,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Tammy was having a coughing fit. This is talking about
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the previous night, Dye said. Tammy reportedly threw up. 9.08 a.m.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Dye determined Tammy's death was pulmonary edema, the backup of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: fluid in the lungs, a cardiac event.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: 9.11 a.m.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: She has made amendments to Tammy's death certificate, like homicide.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Tammy's body was exhumed. There was an autopsy done. And remember,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in the initial stages, there was no autopsy. Chad Daybell
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and the family didn't want there to be one. So
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the coroner and medical examiner, they just rolled with it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But after all was said and done, and more investigation
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: was engaged in, they found out that things might not
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: have been what Chad Daybell was saying. And now we
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: know that not just might not have been, sure looks
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: likely that everything the government is saying about Chad Daybell
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: is true. And there hasn't been anything presented at this
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: trial that has changed my mind so far about Chad
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Daybell's guilt or innocence. 9.12am. Di is talking about Tammy's autopsy.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: As they were dissecting the bruise, there was a very
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: deep bruise on her arm. It didn't make sense she
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: had thrown up the night before because she had a
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: stomach full of contents. Her stomach was full of food.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: If she threw up, there wouldn't be food in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: stomach during the autopsy, Di says. I am the one
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: who signed the death certificate. That makes that determination. All
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of her organs were healthy. The only organ that was
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: not healthy was her lungs. There was a lot of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: foam in her lungs. 9.15 a.m. I received a call
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: from Arizona police. They wanted my records. Chad's name was
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: brought up. Lori Vallow, Alex Cox, Chad Daybell's names were
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: brought up. 9.16 a.m. Wixom asks if Di had any regrets.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Di says she has regrets from her original decision. Had
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I known that information, I would have ordered an autopsy.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: At that time, with my limited training and being new,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I did the best I could with the training I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: had at the time. 9.18 a.m. John Pryor, Chad's attorney,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is now at the stand for a cross-examination of Dye.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Wixom is done asking Dye questions. 9.21 a.m. Chad is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: watching the questioning intently. He has his arms crossed on
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the table and is leaning forward. 9.25 a.m. Pryor is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: questioning Di on legal statutes right now. 9.29 a.m. He
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: is asking Di questions about Tammy's bruises. Di used the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: word old bruises in her report. Di answers yes. 9.31 a.m.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Di about responding to the scene of Tammy
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Daybell when she was found dead. 9.34 a.m. Emma Daybell
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: stated she didn't want an autopsy done because she didn't
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: want her mother to be treated that way. Pryor asks
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and Di says yes.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: 9.38 a.m.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Brenda Dye is reviewing a police report that was from
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the day they responded to the Daybell home when Tammy
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: was found dead. Prior asked Judge Boyce for a sidebar.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Boyce asked to wait. 9.39 a.m. Sidebar taking place right
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: now with Judge Boyce and the attorneys. 9.45 a.m. The
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: sidebar is taking place. Chad Daybell appears to be reading
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: through some notes at the table that he's sitting at. 9.46 a.m.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: After the sidebar, Judge Boyce says... We need to get
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: an exhibit prepared. We will take a mid-morning recess. We
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: will take a 30-minute break. Come back at 10.15. We're
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just going to keep it rolling. 10.21 a.m. Court is
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: back in session.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: 10.22 a.m.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Pryor continues questioning Fremont County Coroner Brenda Dye, asking her
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: what she did at the scene when she responded to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell's body back in October 2019. 10.28 a.m. Pryor
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: is putting up a body chart on the projector screen
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: so everyone can see it. It's a little difficult to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: see on my end. 1028 AM. Levitity was found on
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Tammy's entire body according to the body chart. Pryor asks
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and Di says yes. 1030 AM. Blood-tinged foam is also
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: written on the body chart for Tammy Daybell. Old bruising
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was also written Pryor. You didn't put new bruising, did you?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Di, no.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So he's trying to say that there was no bruising
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: here and all of this is just because Tammy was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: ill and she just happened to die in her sleep. 10.34 a.m.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Photo of Tammy's right arm showing some discoloration is being
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: admitted for an exhibit. Judge Boyce will not publish to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the public due to its graphic nature. 10.35 a.m. Prior
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: is asking Di about old bruises in the picture of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell's arm. and asking if those are it in
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the picture, and Di is responding and saying yes. 10.37 a.m.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Pryor is asking Di about the old bruises and foam
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: coming from Tammy's mouth. He is also asking about how
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Di issued her death certificate.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: 10.38 a.m.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Pryor, did you talk to Garth about how he brought her, Tammy,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: a quarter pounder, and french fries? Di, no. I did
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: not identify what was in her stomach. There were contents
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in her stomach. Pryor, We don't know if Tammy threw
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: up or not before she died, right? Other than what
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Chad told you? Di says yes. 10.41 a.m. Pryor is
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: listing the different medications that Tammy Daybell took and confirming
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: them with Di. 10.44 a.m. Pryor, you were told that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Tammy would have minor fits consistent with seizures, correct? Di
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: says yes. 10.47 a.m. Pryor says Emma talked about how
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: her mother Tammy was taking clogging classes. but couldn't keep up.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Pryor brings up the temple and that Tammy fainted. There
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: were other instances listed in a report. Pryor, you made
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the determination that there was a medical reason as to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: how she passed away, but it all changed, right?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Die?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Says yes. So what he's saying is that somebody got
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to her and made her change her story? That's basically
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: what he's inferring. He won't come out and say that, obviously, right?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But that's what he means.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: 10.48 a.m.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Pryor's talking about how the FBI was involved with an
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: order to remove Tammy's body from the ground after she
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was buried. 10.49 a.m. Pryor at the time of digging
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: her up. Were you looking for something? Die? Suspicious activity
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and anything that resulted in homicide? This was after talking
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to the police. 10.54 a.m. Pryor off the stand. Wixom
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: is back on the stand to question Die. 10.56 a.m.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Dye recalls looking for medical history and medications and looked
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in the bedroom and the nightstand drawers for anything suspicious
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: in the Daybell home. Dye was there with deputy coroner
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and an officer. 10.57 a.m. Dye mostly talked to Chad
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and Emma on the scene, did not talk with Garth
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: very much. Garth would mainly nod to questions. 10.58 a.m.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Dye amended Tammy's death certificate later due to the results
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of the autopsy and learning two dead children were at
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the same home. JJ and Tylee. 11.03 a.m. Wixom talking
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: about the scene again when Tammy Daybell was found dead. 11.05 a.m.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Wixom sits down, prior, back on the stand asking questions
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to Dye. 11.06 a.m. Boyce says that concludes the testimony
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of Dye. 11.07 a.m. Kelsey Harris has been called as
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the next witness. 11.08 a.m. Wixom questions Harris, asking her
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: about Tammy Daybell. She said Daybell was a clogging student
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of hers in Sugar City and worked as a librarian.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: She would see her all the time. We were friends,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Harris said. We would have conversations more than hello. 11.10 a.m.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Harris said Daybell came to her class in early August
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and September 2019. Every week, a 60-minute class once a week. 11.11 a.m.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Harris doesn't recall any issues with Tammy getting tired or
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: falling behind in clogging classes that she taught. So what's
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: her daughter even talking about over here? Trying to make
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: up an excuse for her dad? The more I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: about it, and the more I hear from Chad Daybell's kids,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the more I feel like they're just in denial. How
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: could you sit here and try and cover for your
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: dad when there's all this evidence? 11.14 a.m. Harris went
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to a high fitness class in St. Anthony. She stood
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: by Tammy in the class. It's a high intensity class,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: burpees and explosive movements. That class was held two times
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: a week for 60 minutes. Tammy went in late September 2019.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Harris said she observed Tammy keeping up in class and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was doing the high-intensity moves.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: 11.14 a.m.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Harris talked to her regularly in these classes. Wixom done questioning.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Harris and Pryor now asking his questions. 11.16 a.m. There
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: were at least five classes that Tammy attended for clogging
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: before she died. 11.16 a.m. Harris, I would say, she
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: was a very fit woman, talking about Tammy. 11.17 a.m.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Harris saw Emma Daybell in the high-intensity class with Tammy. M.O.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: was also in the clogging class that Harris taught.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: 11.19 a.m.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Wixom now back to asking questions. 11.20 a.m. Harris is
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: done testifying. She will be released from subpoena. 11.21 a.m.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Shanna Miller is now being called to the stand. 11.22 a.m.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Wixom asking questions to Miller. She was a school teacher
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: at Central Elementary in Sugar City for over 30 years.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: She worked with Tammy Daybell. Miller was on the committee
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: to interview Tammy for a position in the school. She
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: also attended a high fitness class with Tammy.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: 11.24 a.m.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Miller is talking about how Tammy and her daughter attended
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the fitness class. 11.26 a.m. Miller said at first Tammy
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and her daughter could not complete the workouts correctly but
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: over time did well. 11.26 a.m. Miller would see Tammy
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: every day at work. 11.27 a.m. I would say that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the time she started the fitness class, her overall image
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: of herself had improved. It looked like she was in
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: great health to me, Miller said. She was in complete
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: shock learning about Tammy's death. Hours before that, she had
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: seen her at work, and Tammy was happy, healthy, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: conversing with kids at work. She seemed perfectly healthy to me,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Miller said. Now look, there's no doubt that you can
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: just drop dead. Shit happens, right? But what's the likeliest
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: scenario here? With everything else we know, with all the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: evidence that we've seen, do you really think that Tammy
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Daybell just dropped dead 11.29 a.m.? Miller believes Tammy Daybell
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: started working at the school in Sugar City in 2018. 11.31 a.m.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Miller said Daybell was attending the high-intensity classes for at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: least a year and a half. 11.33 a.m. Miller says
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Tammy had the stamina to complete the workouts. Prior is done.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Miller is released from subpoena. 11.36 a.m. Jennifer Geisler called
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to the stand. Wixom questioning. She works at Central Elementary School.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: First grade teacher. She has worked there for 26 years.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: She worked with Tammy Daybell in 2019 and says Tammy
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: was a librarian. She would see Tammy every day. 11.39 a.m.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: We were good friends, Geisler said of Tammy. Always bubbly
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and happy. She was a person that you wanted to
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: be around. Geisler invited Tammy and Emma to a high
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: fitness class. 11.39 a.m. Geisler was in the front row
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and Tammy and Emma were in the back row. They
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: were always giggling together. and adding their own moves. Tammy
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: loved the class, Geisler said. She said that Tammy kept
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: up with the class. She does not recall Tammy ever
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: taking breaks. And this testimony runs right into the face
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: of what Chad Daybell is telling us. And it continues
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: to build that foundation of the case that the prosecution
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: is attempting to make. 11.41 a.m. The Friday before she died,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: she ate lunch with Tammy. She was healthy, happy, talkative.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: She was sitting by her son, Seth. It was just
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: a normal day, Geisler said. She was super surprised that
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Tammy passed away due to her being super healthy. 11.42 a.m.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Wixom done asking questions. Pryor takes a stand. 11.43 a.m.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Geisler said her and Tammy were good friends. She never
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: went to Tammy's home. 11.45 a.m. Pryor's done asking questions.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Wixom back on. There is a clarification between a HiFit
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: class and Zumba class. HiFit is more intense. Zumba is
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: a little more dancey. 11.46 a.m. Geisler made a comment
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to Tammy during lunch, saying that she wished she had
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: as healthy as her. 11.47 a.m. Pryor asked for clarification.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Tammy and her daughter did the high-fit class. It was
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: not Zumba. Geisler released from her subpoena. 11.48 a.m. There
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is going to be a break. The next witness will
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: be lengthy, so the break is happening earlier. We will
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: be back at 1 p.m. All right, so like usual,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: this is where we're going to break as well. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: in the next episode, we'll pick up where we left off.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. 1.06 p.m. Court is
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: back in session after the lunch break. The jury is
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: being brought back in. 1.08 p.m. Chad Daybell and his attorney,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: John Pryor, appear to be chatting, whispering to each other
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a lot today. 1.08 p.m. The state is calling a
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: new witness. Detective Bruce Mattingly with the Fremont County Sheriff's Office. 1.11 p.m.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake is questioning Mattingly on
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: his background. She's asking him about an unattended death call
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: on October 19th, 2019. This is in reference to Tammy Daybell. 1.12 p.m.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: He had learned that Tammy Daybell was the unattended death.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: He's describing talking to an officer about what the scene
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: looked like. He was talking on the phone to Deputy Greenlaw.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: He also said law enforcement is not the one who
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: determines whether to have an autopsy. The coroner makes that decision. 1.15 p.m.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: There was not an investigation during the time of Tammy's
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: death until later in 2019.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: 1.17 p.m.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: He learned that the Rexburg Police Department and FBI were
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: looking for J.J. and Tylee, and in Arizona, they were
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: investigating the shooting of Boudreau and the Charles Valot incident.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: 119 p.m.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Mattingly about Tammy Daybell's medical records. She is
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: asking if there was any indication of health issues. Mattingly
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: says there were general health issues. She had been prescribed
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: medication for wrist pain and medication for managing depression. 121 p.m.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Tammy was reported by Chad to faint and slow down
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and being dizzy. 1.22 p.m. Mattingly is being asked about
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: reviewing reports from Tammy Daybell the day that she died.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Emma Daybell said her mom had been slowing down, according
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to reports. Emma was unwilling to speak to Mattingly, he says.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Mattingly made attempts to talk to her. And the whole
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: entire Hills Have Eyes vibe from the Daybell clan continues
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: to resonate with me. Like who doesn't want to talk
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: to the police after their mother dies? Unless you think
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: your dad did it and you're trying to cover for him.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: There's no good excuse in my mind for you not
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: talking to the police. And furthermore, if my mom was
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to God forbid pass away under unexpected circumstances, you don't
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: want to have an autopsy to find out what went on?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: What if there's some sort of generational health issue? Never
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: mind being suspicious of a crime, but what about finding
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: out what killed your mother? 1.24 p.m. I learned that
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Tammy had two life insurance policies, Mattingly says. 1.27 p.m.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: There was an exhibit up on the screen. It had
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: been taken down. Now there is a sidebar. 1.28 p.m.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Sidebar's over. The exhibit is on the projector screen. It
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: appears to be a life insurance policy. This is very
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: hard to see on the live feed. 1.30 p.m. A
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: monitor is not working in the jury pool. None of
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the jury can see what's happening on their screens. The
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: court is going to try and fix it. 1.31 p.m.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell filled out this form. He wrote October 18th, 2019,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the day before Tammy died. Chad said her health started
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to have changes. Oh, I'm sure, very convenient, that all
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of a sudden her health started to have changes. But
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: nobody in her clog class saw any kind of issue?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: According to Chad Daybell and his daughter Emma, she was
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: slowing down. But nobody... that is an independent source, can
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: confirm that. In fact, we're hearing the opposite. 1.32 p.m.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: A Fitbit was on Tammy's side of the bed, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Mattingly said they requested a search warrant from Fitbit to
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: look into her health.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: 1.35 p.m.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: We were looking for a heart rate, sleep patterns, and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: their activity, Mattingly says of the search warrant to Fitbit. 1.37 p.m.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: There will be a quick break as court figures out
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the monitor situation for the jurors since another exhibit will
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: have to be shown on the screen. 1.55 p.m. Court
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: is still in break. Appears there are still issues with
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the monitors for the jury. 2.02 p.m. Court's back in session. 2.03 p.m.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Blake is on the podium. She is putting an exhibit
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: on the screen in regards to Fitbit information. Mattingly is
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: discussing the Fitbit account for Tammy Daybell. And it's pretty
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: amazing how far technology has come. You can wear a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: watch or a Fitbit or whatever, and it's going to
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: give you your heart rate. It's going to give you
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: sleep patterns. And there's a lot of good that can
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: come from knowing all of that, right? And if you
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: end up passing away, there's a lot that the investigators
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: can get from those records.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: 2.06 p.m.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I cannot see the exhibit on the screen in the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: live stream. It's very difficult to see the details, but
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: essentially Fitbit information is being discussed.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: 2.08 p.m.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Mattingly says they were not able to get heart rate
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: information from Tammy's Fitbit. The sleep data was very sparse,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Mattingly said. 2.09 p.m. They were provided step counts from
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: day to day and year to year, Mattingly says in
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: regards to Tammy Daybell's Fitbit. 2.11 p.m. Out of all
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: the months, Tammy was generally above average or she was
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: close when it came to her step count on her Fitbit.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Mattingly did not see anything where she was slowing down.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Mattingly researched that 10,000 steps is normal to have per day.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: 2.13 p.m.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I found that she was very active and a go-getter,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Mattingly says of Tammy Daybell. He didn't get any indication
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: that she was slowing down. 2.16 p.m. Blake hands Detective
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Mattingly an exhibit. He's looking through the pages. Meanwhile, Chad
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Daybell is talking with his attorney, John Pryor, and they
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: appear to be looking at his screen. 2.18 p.m. Total
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: life insurance. On the Primerica, there was... $ 300, 000, and LifeMap
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: was $ 130, 000. Mattingly learned that both had been paid out
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to Chad Daybell. Blake's done questioning. Pryor's now at the podium. 2.20 p.m.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Pryor is asking Mattingly about how he mentioned talking about
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Emma Daybell and how Mattingly tried to talk to her.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: He is asking dates and times. 2.21 p.m. I have
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: referenced Emma a few times as Emma Daybell. She is
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Emma Murray, but she is Chad and Tammy's daughter. 2.33 p.m.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Joe or Joseph Murray refused to talk to Mattingly too,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Mattingly said. Joe Murray is married to Emma. 2.28 p.m.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Pryor is talking about Tammy Daybell's health history, like her anemia.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Now why wouldn't this lady, her daughter, want to talk
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: to the investigator? What are you hiding? Why are you
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: clamming up? And why aren't you helping out? And we're
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: not even talking about like a stranger here where your
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: dad might have, you know, gotten to an altercation or whatever.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: We're talking about your mother. So it tells me everything
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I need to know about the Daybell clan by the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: way they conduct themselves. None of them are interested in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: finding out the real story about what happened to their mother.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: All they really care about is making sure Ulf Stunat
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: over here doesn't get the death penalty. 2.37pm. There was
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a Fitbit competition that Tammy Daybell was a part of.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Mattingly learned that Tammy was a competitive person. 2.39pm. Pryor
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: is done. Blake back on the podium. 2.40pm. Blake is
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: asking if any of Chad's children voluntarily came forward with information. Mattingly,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: not one. Emma was not willing to speak to Mattingly
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and did not provide any information on her mother's health,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: he says. Well, that's not a big red flag, right?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: All these kids and not one of them want to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: talk to the authorities about what happened to their mother?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: None of them are curious, huh? 2.45 p.m. Blake is done.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Mattingly might be recalled to the stand, but for now,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: he is finished and remains subpoenaed. 2.45 p.m. Detective Vince
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Kayakamanu has been called to the stand. He was a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: detective at the time of the case. He was with
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Fremont County Sheriff's Office. He is currently with the Madison
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office. 2.48 p.m. Kaya Kamanu had talked with
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Officer Greenhall on an unattended death. He could not go
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to the call in 2019 because he was helping Idaho
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Falls Police Department with an officer-involved shooting. 2.51 p.m. During
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that time, he did not learn of anything suspicious from
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the unattended death, which was Tammy Daybell.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: 2.54 p.m.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: My main focus was Tammy, Kaya Kamanu says, about when
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: he was involved in the investigation. He did assist with
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: locating and helping JJ and Tylee too. Blake asked him
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: about October 9th, 2019. The nature of the call had
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to do with a suspicious event. It involved a gun
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: or a paintball gun being pointed at someone. 3 p.m.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Another 911 call is being listened to. This one from
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the Tammy Daybell from October 9th, 2019. Tammy describes that someone,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: dressed in black, had a mask, and she said he
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: had a paintball gun. She yelled for her husband, Chad. 3.05pm,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Blake asking Kaya Kamanu about Alex Cox now. Pryor and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Daybell are chatting on the side. 3.06pm, Blake is asking
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: about a firearm that was seized. It could have been
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: what was used during the paintball incident. 3.08pm, Blake is
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: asking Kaya Kamanu about paintball guns and what he knows
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: about them. 3.13pm, Blake is now asking about Alex Cox again. 3.18pm,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Blake would like to show an exhibit but it's not working.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Boyce is concluding evidence for the day. 3.18 p.m. Boyce
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: said there are some motions he is a part of tomorrow.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: He wants to start court at 9 a.m. tomorrow. Next week,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: court won't happen. On Tuesday, April 30th. 3.20 p.m. Court's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: finished for the day, and the jury has been excused.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Detective Kayakamanu was not finished on the stand and should
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Boyce is talking about motions that will
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: be discussed in regard to designating victims in the case.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: He wants to take a break and come back in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes. The motions will be streamed live for the public,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: he says. 3.42 p.m. Boyce came back after a 20-minute break.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Motions are going to be discussed. Two motions from the state.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: One is a notice from the court about designation of victims. 3.44 p.m.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Prosecutor Wood addressing the court. He is asking Kay Woodcock, J.J.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Vallow's grandmother, and Charles Vallow's sister, who has designated a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: victim in this case, and can give an impact statement,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: to be able to stand in for Charles Vallow during
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the trial. Annie Cushing would be in place for Tylee Ryan,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Cushing is her aunt. No objections.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: 3.51pm.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: There is a motion in Lamine that relates to a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: proposed statement made by Janice Olsen regarding Tammy Daybell's life insurance.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Another motion in Lamine is in regards to Janet Anderson
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: that alleged statements about Tammy Daybell as a zombie. 4.04 p.m.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Pryor and Wood discussing back and forth about life insurance.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Lots of hearsay issues.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: 4.11 p.m.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Lots of legal talk right now. 4.13 p.m. Boyce will
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: get an oral ruling on the motion at 8.30 a.m. tomorrow. 4.15 p.m.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Other motion in Lamine being discussed in regards to witness
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Janet Anderson that alleged statements about Tammy Daybell as a zombie.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Wixom tells the court that these motions are all about
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: two witnesses with two statements and they are trying to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: enter testimony in court. Wixom wants it to be admitted
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: into trial. 4.19 p.m. Pryor said it's hearsay and the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: timing of it all is suspect. 4.21 p.m. Boyce will
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: rule on the motions tomorrow morning at 8.30 a.m. Jurors
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: will be brought in at 9 a.m. Court is done
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: for the day. So again, no surprises one way or
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: the other. Things are moving along exactly as expected. And
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: unless there's some sort of miracle for Chad Daybell, it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be sharing the same fate
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: as Lori Vallow very, very soon. Either way, we're going
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: to be here the whole entire way, following along and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: recapping what goes down every day inside of the courtroom
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: as the state of Idaho looks to drop the hammer
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: on Chad Daybell. All of the information that goes with
• 1:05:33
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