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WoW to OSRS: Shobek · Wall Friends

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  Hello, welcome back to Wow to Old School, a podcast miniseries
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  where I'm talking with the Wow creators that jumped over to Old
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  School and tried it. Get their perspectives and
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  insights on World of Warcraft and Old School 2 of Gaming's
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  most popular MMORP GS to see. Why they did that?
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  Today's guest has been PvP ING across MMORP GS for the last 20
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  years, truly embodying a character he created.
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  Actually first saw him during an undead meeting where he
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  challenged our governor, the undead governor to a the duel to
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  the death and killed him shouting bunkai before killing
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  him. Didn't really know what I had
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  seen in front of me, in front of my eyes, but it was it was cool.
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  That was my introduction to this next guest, Shobeck.
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  He has gone absolutely full throttle on old School
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  Runescape. He's got a quest Cape, he's
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  gotten a BofA. He's got probably 1000 plus
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  hours played. You may have recently seen some
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  discussion about Shobeck since he kind of announced to
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  everybody that he's taking a step back from old school.
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  So we'll talk about that with him too.
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  I just, I just want to say, you know, this is not just for
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  Shobeck, but for any creator in the future that stops playing
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  Runescape or takes a break from Runescape.
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  Relax. Just relax.
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  Don't take it personally if somebody stops playing Runescape
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  for a second. There's nothing against you, OK?
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  Showbeck's not doing it just to spite you, all right?
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  Just just relax, everything's fine.
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  You're fine. And I know there's been a ton of
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  people giving Shobeck shit for saying he's going to get an
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  untrimmed Slayer Cape and Iron Man Zuck helm, but if you have
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  the slightest bit. Of old school.
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  Runescape game knowledge. If you know anything about
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  anything when it comes to Runescape then you should know
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  if a new player comes along and says I'm going to get an Iron
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  Man Zuck helm and an untrimmed Slayer Cape and Blood Torva.
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  Then you nod your head and cheer them on.
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  It's like a little kid coming up to you saying I want to be an
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  astronaut and then once they graduate high school you're in
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  disbelief when they don't want to join the Air Force.
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  Surely you saw it coming. Surely you saw it coming that
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  maybe, just maybe, they weren't up to the task when they
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  realized what the task was. I don't know, crazy, crazy
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  thought. Just relax people.
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  Just let them have fun. Maybe some of them will make it
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  happen, but if they don't, who gives a shit?
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  That's that's all I wanted to say about that.
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  Anyway, here's Shobec. Well, shobec, how long have you
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  been playing World of Warcraft? I've been playing World of
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  Warcraft since the beginning. I think it was like 2004 or 5 or
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  6, I don't really remember, it's been so long.
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  But the original expansion, World of Warcraft, I was there.
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  And once I started playing that game, I never really stopped.
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  Obviously it was a relationship that was like on and off, kind
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  of like how Runescape guys are like, you know, no one, never.
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  You don't really quit, you just take breaks.
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  It's the same thing with Wow. You don't really take, you don't
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  really quit, you just take breaks.
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  You come back at the new expansion, maybe at the end of
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  one, to kind of like get your footing again.
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  And yeah, I've been playing since the very beginning.
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  No super long like year long breaks or anything, just kind of
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  like a almost like a seasonal sort of revisit sort of thing.
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  Yeah, so I was very seasonal because, I mean, I was like in
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  school. And do we grew up in such a
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  crazy time, right? Like, I loved Halo.
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  And as I was playing Wow, well, new Halos are coming out, the
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  Call of Duties are coming out. And so with friends, I'm playing
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  those games. So whatever game was like really
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  coming out, we were playing that watch came out.
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  I'm playing Overwatch. Yeah.
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  So I was definitely a heavy seasonal player.
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  And I think the longest break I ever really took from World of
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  Warcraft was when I started to actually even be a streamer.
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  Back then it was almost impossible and not even viewed
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  as a thing to even make it in the streaming as an MMO player.
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  So at that point I had to just kind of like, and that was the
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  original thing I wanted to do, right?
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  I grew up watching Rec Full and Soda, and those guys really
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  solidified the imagination of even being a streamer.
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  And so I wanted to make it as an MMO streamer, but I couldn't
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  even do that. So I played FPSS all the way up
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  until 2019 vanilla relaunch. And then from there I kind of
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  made this stake and claim like I want to do what I want to do and
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  be an MMO streamer. And so then I've been playing in
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  a game pretty much consistently since, with a very minimal
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  brakes, if not any. Gotcha.
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  That being said, you know, you've got this huge backlog of
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  playing World of Warcraft and, you know, different expansions
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  seeing different areas of the game, which has I guess molded
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  you into a certain type of player.
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  So like how would you best describe your play style and
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  like approach to an MMO like World of Warcraft?
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  Flashy. I'm definitely the flashy
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  player. Like PvP oriented would you say
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  then? Oh yeah, also all the way.
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  I mean, I love PvP. I love PvP since the very
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  beginning. I think just competitive games
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  in general and what, you know, playing Super Smash Brothers
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  with your friends and doing like, you know, 99 Lives or Soul
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  Calibur or whatever, you name it.
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  It's always just been competing. So I always loved PvP because
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  that's what we got into when we were younger.
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  Right. Yeah, I've noticed that like as
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  we're growing up, I think it's like this.
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  I don't know if it's just like an adult mentality of like not
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  really wanting conflict or something, but I've just noticed
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  as everyone grows up, like PvP in games has slowly died down,
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  but it's also still popular with like, you know, when we were in
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  playing like Call of Duty and shit, it's like that generation,
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  those kids at that age are still like gung ho about it.
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  And, you know, it's just like MMO audience, like our
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  demographic, it's fizzled out a little bit, like the desire to
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  have PvP features and everything.
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  So have you noticed that kind of trend, like seeing that PvP kind
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  of gets like neglected in the games that you're playing?
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  Yeah, it's really heartbreaking because I feel like the
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  developers and even the players themselves, they don't realize
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  that PvP is the actual like, reason and glue that like keeps
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  the game going. And if you don't have the PvP
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  and if the gameplay isn't fun, then the game falls victim or
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  succumbs to whatever the quote UN quote content is for the
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  game. And so if you look at it for a
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  World of Warcraft standpoint, if you're not into PDP, all that 60
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  can give you if you play classic Wow is a raid once a week and
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  that is all the game can offer to you.
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  But if you're into PDP, then there is no there, there is no
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  limit to what you can do in your potential.
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  You can just go out into the world and the content is
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  infinitely new because you don't know who you're going to run
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  into. You can group up with your
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  friends and you don't know what you're going to get yourselves
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  into. You don't know who you're going
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  to fight and what type of rivalry you're going to start.
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  And it's just that mysticism of just the unknown.
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  But that has to have fun gameplay.
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  And I think what has happened is over the years, we've played so
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  many Mmos and we just know when things are fun and aren't fun or
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  unfair and just broken. And I think people are just kind
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  of tired of it. And we're just waiting for the
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  gameplay to truly just be fun again.
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  And so obviously that's not, you know, an umbrella statement
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  because, yeah, people really do just love Pve and PDE needs to
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  be fun as well. I just feel that right now
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  people are, it's like, I've been there, done that, and they're
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  just kind of like waiting for a new experience and a clean slate
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  for like everyone to like be riled up.
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  Because you know, you look at people that have done things in
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  Runescape and they played it for 20 years or Wow and they've
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  played it for 20 years. There's so many seasons.
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  Everything is kind of like blending into itself.
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  Like it doesn't really matter. And like they've already proved
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  themselves five years ago or seven years ago and they did
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  that. Now they're chilling different
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  state. So you have to like re spark
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  that. And it's really hard to re spark
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  that when it's like a recycled game.
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  And so I think if it's new and if it's fun and engaging and
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  there is a lot of hype, I think that spark gets rekindled.
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  But as of right now, there's nothing that is nurturing that
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  flame. And so it's getting dimmer and
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  dimmer and dimmer. And now it's now like APVE thing
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  and you just go in and do your PDE content and then it's, you
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  know, you do the content and then that's it.
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  Yeah, I see that kind of like happening.
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  Definitely yeah. The the whole PvP situation is
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  just like, I won't. I also, I feel like each MMO has
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  its own like I guess issue of trying to figure out how to
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  balance the PvP player base with the player base that doesn't
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  care for it and keep it relevant across updates and everything.
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  It's it's always a tough subject.
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  I feel like devs, it's like a nightmare for them to try and
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  figure out like how to keep PvP in because I mean Mmos.
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  I I'd imagine the devs don't want to see PvP be put on the
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  back burner or anything because it, it is such a staple to Mmos
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  and has such a long history going back.
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  So I mean, we could talk all freaking day about PvP and
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  everything really. Yeah, there's so much to talk
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  about with it. But so would you classify
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  yourself basically as a PvP or then like if you were to
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  classify yourself as a type of player, then PvP?
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  Yeah, always PvP. Cool.
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  I do Pve for the means to PvP. Nice.
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  Yeah, I got that vibe very quick for me and only things when you
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  were dueling people at meetings and shit very fast.
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  Learned that. Yeah, very fast.
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  You be fighting people. So right now like in the World
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  of Warcraft community and you know that that side there's
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  seems to just be like a lot going on with like the Legion
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  remix right now. There's the Mop classic, there's
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  the anniversary servers, there's classic classic, there's retail,
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  a lot of divided communities, split player bases, all this
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  stuff. When you think about World of
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  Warcraft, like collectively all of that considered like, what
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  are your general thoughts on its current state?
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  Sad. Sad.
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  Sad. It is sad.
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  It's, I mean, I've given myself to that game and that game has
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  given me everything, right? Like Wow has given me
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  everything. Some of the early machinimas and
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  PDP videos and just funny videos, right?
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  Like, for example, when I was, you know, connecting and, and
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  watching some Runescape stuff and learning about the guy
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  that's like gothics. I forgot the the, the Runescape
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  video, but these things that like sparked a lot of my inner
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  core personality and quirkiness and, and whatever.
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  Like Wow has given me everything.
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  And to still look at Wow and just see this unbelievable
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  potential and it's just not being tapped into.
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  And then it just being essentially an inch deep and a
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  mile wide, just trying to capture everything when it
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  really could just be an inch wide and a mile deep and just
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  have such an unbelievable experience for people to enjoy
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  and and have the same way that they did in like 2007 eight and
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  nine. When there's like what,
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  11,000,000 active Subs and players playing and you have
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  celebrities and it's just like so mainstream and vibrant.
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  When I see it be so dispersed, it's just impossible for it to
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  ever really be anything and allow it to truly grow.
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  Yeah, it's just a sad thing to see.
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  I don't know why they're doing it.
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  I have my own theories and whatnot and I can ramble and
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  doom all day. Typically whenever anyone brings
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  up Wow, I straight up just become a doomer.
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  It's just such an unbelievable romantic relationship that I
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  have with that game that it's so hard for me to even stay not
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  emotional or just have so much, you know, stuff come out.
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  I'm like, Oh my God, you know, Because I, I really do love that
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  game and I really, really do love Mmos.
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  And that just translates to every or any MMO.
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  I really just want Mmos as a whole too, to be like the number
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  one thing on Twitch and streaming and what everyone
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  cares about. Like, yeah, yeah.
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  That's how I feel about Wow right now.
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  It's a it's a sad thing. It's a little chaotic and crazy,
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  but there's there's some cool things in the future.
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  I do think. I know I'm yapping a little bit.
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  Oh. You're good, you can yap all
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  day. Cool.
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  I do think right now we are finally at the crossroads of a
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  conversation where there's no longer and I, I really hope, but
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  there's no longer a possibility of like a rerun or something,
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  'cause now we're at the point with World of Warcraft where
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  Blizzard is facing the reality of Classic Plus and what that is
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  for every MMO player or maybe the Classic or World of Warcraft
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  community. It is Wow 2, essentially Classic
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  Plus is World of Warcraft 2 and it's a big shoe to fill cause
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  it's not the same team. So they kind of adopted this
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  golden goose egg and we're going to see for the first time within
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  maybe the year or two what World of Warcraft 2 is going to look
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  like for Classic because it can't exist in retail.
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  Too much is gone, it's too bloated.
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  It you need a full hard reset. So Classic Plus is technically
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  the the wow too. And if that like goes on like
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  Runescape, it truly is the the reset and and go, which is an
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  unbelievable time. I mean, you guys lived in it, I
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  think 2013 and you guys have been living.
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  Yeah. And you guys have been living in
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  it with like we're getting sailing.
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  Hello. What the hell?
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  Yeah, a new skill is coming out in classic or old school
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  Runescape. Like how unbelievable is that?
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  So we are, as a World of Warcraft enjoyer, we are now
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  setting sail on the journey that you guys set sail on 2013.
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  And it's a big, it's a big moment.
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  It's a big. Moment I hope so I hope I hope
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  they do explore it and and handle it correctly, because
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  there is that issue of the entire World of Warcraft player
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  base being like I mean I'm I'm sure retail probably does have
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  the majority of players still, but like the player base is
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  split. There's so many different
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  communities playing different types of the game and you know
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  if you introduce classic plus slash what you're saying wow 2,
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  it's like there's another split. Where do we what they've got to
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  like start cutting off the other versions?
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  I'd say like they they got to slow it down, slash pause slash
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  delete, I I don't know, but it's like how how much can you truly
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  keep splitting the player base? So hopefully there's going to be
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  like a common consensus between the player base, like let's go
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  try Wow 2 together, like everybody go try it and solidify
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  like a the main player base over there.
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  That's I guess the most positive outcome I can see for it.
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  But hopefully they do Hopefully we see it.
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  That'd be sick being a part of the the mass migration.
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  I remember actually looking for your clip specifically for a
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  montage I made in my video. I was, I went to your stream VOD
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  the day before you started Old School Runescape for the first
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  time. And I was like just kind of
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  skimming through seeing if I could find like your chat.
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  I like telling you to try it or anything.
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  And sure enough, I found a point where you were just like, like
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  I, I just, I don't think it would ever be a game for me,
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  man. Like I just don't see myself
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  doing it, you know, like some along those lines.
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  And it was just that was like during your peak, like hard
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  grind in old school. So it was just like so funny
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  seeing your initial like first impression of what old school is
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  prior to trying it versus you are so deep in there like full
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  throttle, like let's fucking do this sort of thing.
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  It was like complete polar opposite attitude towards it and
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  it was awesome. So like what what would you say?
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  Like your initial reason to make that jump to try old school was?
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  Yeah, so for the people that don't know me, I do a lot of
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  like role play content. So I love to create stories and
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  like the character that I play and why I love Mmos is like I
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  live and breathe the character Showbeck.
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  And so I've been playing classic Wow for like the same version
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  and it's not as depth. There's not as much depth as
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  Runescape where you know, if you're playing the game
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  consistently for a couple years, I mean you are really going
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  through in circles. I mean, again, I would wake up
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  and I do this for a living. So I'm PDP ING all day long over
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  and over and over again. And so I was getting to a point
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  where genuinely I was running out of material I was running.
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  I mean, I would literally read like Japanese literature.
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  I would watch new animes trying to get like new stories of
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  inspiration and like lines over like just some sort of like
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  phrases of heroic resolve that I could kind of encumber and like
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  express out into like a fight with someone.
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  But I was just running dry. Like I just, I felt like writers
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  block. I felt like I couldn't write the
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  story of Showbeck anymore and I needed to step away.
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  I just, I I would dread going live and being like, how the
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  hell am I going to PDP for 8 hours when I know everything
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  that's going to happen? And like there is just like you
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  said, or like we were talking about earlier, that spark of you
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  know, it, the PDP and it's a kind of fizzling out and classic
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  Wow that, that kind of romance and intimacy OF1V wanting or
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  fighting or a player wanting to log in and have their stake and
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  and claim their name on the in the ground, saying this is who I
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  am on this server that's not there anymore.
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  Everyone is kind of just in their own bubble and like
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  they're just running to a place and if you attack them, they
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  will barely even fight back or it's a bot or it's just, it's
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  just empty. And so you have all these
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  elements that were just kind of like, it was really tough.
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  It was really, really tough. And I liked Runescape when I was
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  younger. I logged on some of my friends
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  accounts and what not, but I always knew the PDP wasn't
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  really like a thing that I liked.
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  But I was in this kind of desperation moment and I saw
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  Guzu and I saw Savix and they were streaming in at the time
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  and I was like, wow, these guys like their channels are doing
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  phenomenal. They're able to step away from
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  their main game and they're doing great.
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  And then I was like watching Savix's YouTube video about the
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  fire Cape. And I was like, wait a second,
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  this is kind of bunk high. Like he is now making this
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  character story around his guy going through Runescape and
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  trying to get the fire Cape. And that was something that like
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  none of my friends ever did when we were younger.
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  All I know is about, you know, killing cows.
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  I got enough for like 10K gold to try to get some black trim.
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  Then I got black armor, then this guy from like the dude from
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  Virac, then this guy's like you all come trim it and then I lost
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  it all and I quit like it's the generic like the absolute
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  generic schemas video story. And so I watched Sabix's video
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  and I was like, wait a second, this is kind of bunkai.
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  This is really cool and then I see Sony streaming it and this I
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  promise you this was the change because when I was watching
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  Savix and Guzu, I didn't I couldn't get over Runescapes
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  graphics like now playing it, I really I do love it's
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  individuality like Runescape is so unapologetically Runescape
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  and games need to be that way. The games need to be like this
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  is who we are, This is our aesthetic and the community has
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  to you know, either like that or not.
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  And then that's how you really garner a beautiful community
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  such as, you know, Runescape has and other games have.
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  And so when I was watching them, I was like, man, the graphics
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  are really, really bad. Like, I don't know if I can
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  really like RP and get into it because Savage was playing on
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  default, like no animation smoothing, NO117 or anything.
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  But then Sony, bro, Sony was streaming it and I tuned in.
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  I'm like, wait a second, what's going on here?
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  This game looks so different. He had 117 on and he had
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  animation smoothing and it was like, wait a second, this is the
• 21:50
  classic plus experience. Like this game actually looks
• 21:54
  good now. I, I freaking love it.
• 21:57
  And so then it was, it was really the graphics thing.
• 22:00
  And I, I say it all the time and people, even in the Runescape
• 22:03
  community, they hear it all the time.
• 22:05
  A big thing that people don't want to play Runescape on is
• 22:09
  first, I would probably say it's the graphics and then second is
• 22:12
  the clicking. They're not like they're not
• 22:14
  able to get over those hurdles for them to like get into the
• 22:18
  game. But if they do, they'll love the
• 22:20
  game. They'll love the damn game.
• 22:23
  And as a a casual player, you can get a lot of hours, a lot of
• 22:28
  hours in the game and really be like, damn, this is a never
• 22:31
  ending adventure. Yeah, So it it really was when I
• 22:35
  watched Sony after watching Savix's like hype video for I'm
• 22:39
  going to go for lava Cape or fire Cape that I was like, damn,
• 22:43
  the new graphics I can get behind this like this is
• 22:46
  actually pretty cool. And then I learned about rune
• 22:48
  light and all the new add-ons to customize, for example, the
• 22:53
  camera. You can now actually control
• 22:55
  your camera fully. It's not like limited how it was
• 22:58
  back in the day that allowed me to get more immersive.
• 23:01
  Then we made the bunkai add on. I had the portrait set up so I
• 23:05
  felt like I wasn't really looking at a bag.
• 23:07
  I was actually playing in MMO. And then I had my own little
• 23:11
  Runescape character portrait. So I felt like I was playing
• 23:14
  some old school PlayStation game with my little, you know, Sora
• 23:19
  or like a little Sora nameplate. And it was, it was bad ass.
• 23:24
  Yeah. And that's kind of like how I
• 23:27
  was able to, like, get into Runescape when I didn't even
• 23:31
  think it was in the realm of possibility.
• 23:33
  It was just at a crossroad of desperation and slight
• 23:38
  inspiration where I was like, dude, nothing's coming out for
• 23:42
  two years. I have to figure out how to keep
• 23:44
  this ship, this ship sailing because I'm a streamer.
• 23:47
  I'm just going to do it. I mean, these two other guys did
• 23:50
  it and they're doing good. I'm going to do this and figure
• 23:53
  it out. And if it doesn't go well, I can
• 23:55
  always just go back, right? If I fall flat on my face.
• 23:59
  Yeah, guys, I tried Runescape. You know what not, But that
• 24:02
  wasn't the case. I tried Runescape and you guys
• 24:04
  loved me. You guys uplifted me.
• 24:07
  You and I, we're on a call right now.
• 24:09
  Usually unbelievable. So yeah, that's how it kind of
• 24:13
  like all fell into place. And then it was the whole
• 24:16
  movement. Wow streamers coming to
• 24:18
  Runescape. And I just so happened to be a
• 24:22
  part of that. Yeah, yeah, it was.
• 24:24
  That was a a crazy explosion, man.
• 24:27
  Like just the amount of I guess everyone kind of realizing the
• 24:32
  initial guys who started playing old school weren't stopping.
• 24:37
  They they continued playing and it suddenly got everyone else
• 24:40
  looking over and suddenly everyone's trying it out and it
• 24:42
  was it was awesome. But going back to what you said,
• 24:46
  I thought it was like super interesting with the, the
• 24:50
  Showbeck character that you know, you're, you're performing
• 24:54
  as and thinking of ways to tell a story for what you do.
• 24:58
  And then kind of like intertwine that with, with gameplay.
• 25:02
  It's very interesting because World of Warcraft it you've got
• 25:07
  to get very, very creative to make something like that work.
• 25:12
  And you did. But most people can't do that
• 25:16
  because of World of Warcraft as a game.
• 25:19
  Like you could make your your character an RP, but to tell the
• 25:23
  story and create a story, you have to go above and beyond and
• 25:27
  create scenarios in game. Like especially with like PvP to
• 25:33
  make anything even possible in that sense.
• 25:35
  Like that's the only like PvP is the only real angle I could see
• 25:40
  like a unique story coming to life.
• 25:43
  You know, obviously with like only things there was a bunch of
• 25:46
  kind of like adventurous things that I did with other players
• 25:49
  who had never played. And you know, that's fun in
• 25:51
  itself, but from like the video game standpoint, it's really
• 25:55
  tough in like a linear theme park game like Wow to create a
• 26:01
  character from scratch or build on a character.
• 26:05
  Like you got to really, really try.
• 26:07
  And it's crazy looking at that, in contrast to Old School
• 26:13
  Runescape where we've had this huge just shift in content
• 26:20
  creation starting in in like 20/19/2018.
• 26:24
  Especially with Swampletics. I'm sure you've seen slash her
• 26:27
  Swampletics of being able to make an entire story out of an
• 26:35
  account through thousands of hours of gameplay and changing
• 26:40
  everything about the landscape of the game.
• 26:42
  Just from telling a character's story and just seeing how many
• 26:46
  people created their own stories and their own series.
• 26:49
  From just being inspired by seeing somebody else's unique
• 26:53
  journey and being able to tell their own story by creating a a
• 26:57
  different scenario, like a different path to play through.
• 27:01
  It just became such a, a common thing to do is make your own
• 27:07
  story and show everyone that story.
• 27:10
  So in essence, like this game was calling you to fucking make
• 27:16
  a show back story over here because that's kind of what this
• 27:20
  game has been doing for many, many years now for a lot of
• 27:23
  people. And I mean, you don't even do
• 27:26
  this series to do it either. It's like everyone's got their
• 27:28
  story. Oh yeah.
• 27:30
  I mean, we did it once we came over here, we immediately made
• 27:35
  the machinimas and like started to create like the anime
• 27:38
  episodes of me going through specific quests or like funny
• 27:42
  moments and just really creating these like animation movies of
• 27:49
  just show back going through Gilanor.
• 27:52
  I, I, I loved it and I think it's so cool with, with
• 27:56
  Runescape is that a lot of those kind of tell your story is so
• 28:01
  ingrained. I think World of Warcraft has
• 28:03
  lost that. It's really cool to see the
• 28:05
  resurgence in Runescape. Wow has lost it a lot.
• 28:09
  I have seen some cool R peers kind of pop up.
• 28:12
  There's a paladin, there's another rogue.
• 28:15
  I see them kind of doing some like bunkai RP.
• 28:17
  And it is cool because my mission statement is like
• 28:21
  restoring the RP and MMORPG, like that's all I want to do.
• 28:24
  And so when I would came over to Runescape, it was so cool to be
• 28:28
  just surrounded by people that are playing a character pretty
• 28:31
  much to create a story and say, like I was saying earlier, you
• 28:37
  know, state their name in the sand and say, hey, this is who I
• 28:41
  am and this is my story that I want to write because it makes
• 28:44
  gaming so much more fun, not only for the actual player
• 28:48
  because they have this such unique goal that is so romantic
• 28:52
  and intimate to them that it makes them love and be able to
• 28:55
  pour themselves into the game far beyond like what any
• 28:59
  rational person would do. So it's almost like this art
• 29:03
  passion project that's like greater than them.
• 29:05
  And when you have that at a collective space or a collective
• 29:10
  level, everyone is just running off of inspiration from each
• 29:14
  other. And then now you have people
• 29:15
  that really just care for the game and they care for the
• 29:18
  community and the players in that community.
• 29:21
  Not this day that there's not toxicity, but I'm just simply
• 29:24
  saying there's just so much more love and passion going around
• 29:28
  and it sparks that flame. It's like very contagious.
• 29:33
  And it's not like it's not even like a Pve flame being kindled
• 29:37
  or a PvP kindled. No, it's like you as a player in
• 29:41
  the world kindled and like whatever you want to do in the
• 29:44
  game, that's like for you to decide.
• 29:47
  But the Kindle is there where they're you're, you're just
• 29:49
  going at it gung ho. And that's something that I
• 29:53
  think Wow has lost for a very, very long time.
• 29:57
  There's not a lot of players that have that Kindle where
• 30:00
  they're like, they want to kind of do stuff like that and above
• 30:03
  and beyond. And maybe it's because it's not,
• 30:06
  you know, as sandboxy as as Runescape.
• 30:10
  Like, maybe the only angle you really can do is just make PvP
• 30:13
  shorts and videos of you creating these stories and
• 30:17
  battles between people. But still, it, it was a
• 30:21
  beautiful thing. Like, I immediately felt it when
• 30:23
  I came over here and meeting some of you guys and like, what
• 30:26
  you and learning what you guys have done in the past, like
• 30:30
  absolutely crazy stuff with the characters and the stories that
• 30:37
  some of the Runescape players have created and just have even
• 30:40
  taken place in Gillenor is like wild, yeah, just wild stories.
• 30:46
  Yeah. And, and to the level, the level
• 30:48
  to exit, like the level to those stories and like the lengths
• 30:51
  that people are like went through.
• 30:53
  Because again, I mean, I never even got a 99 and I know what it
• 30:57
  takes to get a 99 and what these people have done bro.
• 31:02
  It's crazy. It's crazy.
• 31:04
  Really is. Yeah, it's it's unlike any other
• 31:06
  game. I say it all the time.
• 31:07
  Runescape gamers or grinders? 2nd to none.
• 31:11
  Yeah, there's no one. There's no one above Runescape
• 31:13
  grinders. There's no one.
• 31:14
  It's yeah, it's. You you guys have?
• 31:16
  It's insane, yeah. I guess to kind of rewind a
• 31:20
  little bit on the kind of jump over to old school from Wow.
• 31:24
  Do you remember, like, your first week of playing and just
• 31:28
  like the impressions that this game had on you coming from an
• 31:32
  MMO and other Mmos in general of more so that linear vertical
• 31:37
  progress that you've repeated so many times, like levelling new
• 31:41
  characters and then coming over here and having this sort of
• 31:46
  brand new sandboxy experience. Like, do you remember, like what
• 31:52
  was kind of going through your mind as you figured out kind of
• 31:55
  how all the systems work? Yeah, it was.
• 31:58
  It was just vibrant. I think you kind of just noticed
• 32:01
  everything was just so much more colorful because the game at a
• 32:04
  surface level, you'd have no idea.
• 32:07
  It's just how interconnected and webbed together the game is.
• 32:11
  And when you're a first player and you start kind of going into
• 32:14
  Gillenor and you explore Lumbridge and go to Draynor
• 32:18
  Village and start your quest with the Draynor Manor.
• 32:20
  And then you go up to Viroc. And now you're picking up doing
• 32:24
  Romeo and Juliet and you're doing all these like quests and
• 32:28
  whatnot. And then you're going to go
• 32:29
  like, oh man, I'm going to go over to Falador and what is
• 32:32
  that? Wolf Mountain, What's over here?
• 32:34
  And then you're looking at the scales and you're like, what?
• 32:37
  There's so much web and connection.
• 32:40
  It's such a an adventure. Like I remember the first week
• 32:43
  was just such a great rush, not just because the game was new,
• 32:47
  but just because of how the game was right.
• 32:50
  Like how how you actually experience a new character in
• 32:55
  Runescape. It is it.
• 32:57
  It hits so good. It does, yeah.
• 33:00
  I, I really do think it hits the same or very similar to a person
• 33:04
  experiencing levelling a character in Ellen Forest.
• 33:08
  It's just like it really hits. Definitely.
• 33:10
  And so when I played it was just like, wow, this game is really,
• 33:16
  really cool. I loved loved loved the early
• 33:19
  game and the music too. The music and the ambience, like
• 33:22
  everything just fit. I hope that answers your
• 33:24
  question. I don't know if if you need me.
• 33:26
  To yeah, definitely a little. Bit more detail on something,
• 33:28
  but you know, it was an uncharted land, no direction in
• 33:33
  the journey. It was literally just what we
• 33:35
  wanted to do, where I wanted to go.
• 33:37
  And like, it was so great. Like there wasn't a quest guide
• 33:40
  or an arrow telling me. And yeah, I before everyone in
• 33:42
  the comments section, well, actually, can I give you your
• 33:45
  question? I, I did when I was doing the
• 33:46
  quest game thingy, but when I first started, I was doing the
• 33:50
  Goozu route where I was reading everything and whatnot.
• 33:54
  But even if you do follow that guide like you, you just get
• 33:57
  detoured. You no matter what you have to
• 33:58
  get detoured. So when you play Runescape,
• 34:01
  you're really just kind of like doing your own script.
• 34:04
  There isn't, there isn't a way to play the game.
• 34:06
  You log in and you play the game the way that you want to play
• 34:09
  the game, and you progress the way that you want to progress.
• 34:12
  And I love that. I loved being able to truly
• 34:16
  freely as a content creator, log on the game and play it exactly
• 34:20
  how I want to and not ever feel that I'm doing wrong or bad or
• 34:25
  whatnot. Because like realistically it's
• 34:28
  my story to tell, like we were talking earlier and there's,
• 34:32
  there's no wrong way to tell your story in Gilanor.
• 34:34
  Yep, right. And that's the great thing.
• 34:37
  There's no wrong way to tell your story in Gilanor.
• 34:39
  Definitely. And I, I'm going to sound like a
• 34:41
  complete hypocrite when I say this because I will, I'll go
• 34:44
  into why because you already know why, but I loved how fast
• 34:48
  you kind of looked at the game and came up with a goal to shoot
• 34:54
  for, even if it wasn't the end goal that you ended up getting.
• 34:59
  But the fact that it put you on a unique path that basically no
• 35:03
  one was following, you were like, all right, I'm going to
• 35:06
  get untrimmed Slayer Cape, like, immediately.
• 35:10
  And obviously I tried to talk you out of it.
• 35:15
  So did many other people. But yeah, you know, I remember
• 35:18
  telling you like I typed into your chat at one point, I'm
• 35:21
  like, look. You know I'll.
• 35:22
  Always support people going for some crazy lunatic goal because
• 35:27
  that's like the beauty of the game.
• 35:29
  But I do have the right to tell you that it's a dumb idea.
• 35:32
  Like that's like, and that's the epitome of all Runescape
• 35:35
  accounts. Like any Runescape account
• 35:37
  that's done something crazy was a stupid idea, and it's
• 35:41
  fascinating that people go through with it and it's it.
• 35:44
  It's really what makes those unique stories come to life.
• 35:48
  So two things 2 two things. First off, I obviously didn't
• 35:54
  realize like what it truly, truly meant.
• 35:58
  Like I play Mmos for a living and I come over to Runescape
• 36:03
  like, ah, yeah, bro, I know it's a grime, but like, it's going to
• 36:05
  be doable, right? Like you're telling me no, like,
• 36:08
  Nah, bro, I got this, bro. So the first thing is it's kind
• 36:12
  of like this thing where I didn't think, I didn't really
• 36:14
  understand what it actually took and what it was really going to
• 36:19
  look like. But secondly, there's a thing
• 36:23
  about me whenever I play video games where or anything in life,
• 36:27
  for some reason I always shoot for this unbelievable lofty
• 36:31
  goal. Because in my mind, if I created
• 36:33
  this goal, like for example, I wanted full blood Torva untrim
• 36:37
  Slayer and Zuck helmet. Everyone's laughing, everyone's
• 36:41
  laughing, everyone's like you're out of your mind.
• 36:44
  However, The thing is, is like when when I play the game, I'm
• 36:50
  so starry eyed. I'm just so in love with the
• 36:53
  adventure in that goal. It fuels me so much it, it pours
• 36:58
  unlimited. Imagine like a well and the
• 37:01
  bigger the goal the bigger the well and it pours into me and I
• 37:06
  can put all of that energy out to you guys or just even myself
• 37:11
  towards that. So whenever I play any game, I
• 37:15
  just go after what I like and wherever that thing is where I
• 37:18
  like, I will just go after that and it doesn't matter.
• 37:22
  It never matters if I get it or not, because what matters is how
• 37:27
  I wake up every single day. And if I wake up every single
• 37:30
  day and I'm like loving and I'm going after it and I'm and I'm
• 37:33
  exuding myself and I'm pouring so much energy and everything
• 37:37
  that's in my opinion, like what matters.
• 37:39
  And so I would just set these whatever, again, wherever the
• 37:42
  goals, you know, lie. If Zuck helmet and untrimmed
• 37:45
  Slayer was a lot easier, I would still just go for those things
• 37:49
  because I liked it. It just so happened to be
• 37:51
  unbelievably difficult. I mean, that was diabolical.
• 37:54
  It was diabolical. You're it.
• 37:56
  Yeah, it was. But I I'm, I'm such a starry
• 38:00
  eyed kid, man. Like I love shooting for those
• 38:02
  goals. It I always say, you know, Les
• 38:04
  Brown, it's better to aim high and miss than to aim low and
• 38:07
  hit. And it keeps me starry eyed.
• 38:10
  It always keeps me hyped up. I'm not the type of guy that
• 38:13
  sets like little goals and like incremental goals and like, oh,
• 38:16
  OK, now what's next? Oh no, what's next?
• 38:18
  I have to set a really, really big goal.
• 38:21
  And then that allows me to kind of get there kind of like Naruto
• 38:25
  and being Okage or Luffy and being the pirate King.
• 38:28
  Like my inner child correlates those goals off of the heroes
• 38:32
  that I grew up with. And so I mimic that and I'm
• 38:36
  that's just how I'm wired, right?
• 38:38
  I'm going to be waking up with a smile every day saying I'm going
• 38:41
  to go for untrim Slayer and Zuck.
• 38:43
  Yeah, cool. Everyone calls me delusional.
• 38:45
  That's fine. I'm smiling.
• 38:46
  I'm going for it the same way Luffy smiles, the same way
• 38:49
  Naruto smiles. That's just kind of how I am.
• 38:52
  I've I've always just been that way with anything, I mean.
• 38:55
  It's really good, yeah. In World of Warcraft I want to
• 38:58
  be rank one. That's like O to block level and
• 39:01
  PVPI want to be ranked one. I want the title and mount.
• 39:04
  The gladiator mount. Guess what?
• 39:05
  Never got the mount, never got the title.
• 39:07
  Unbelievably, painfully average in PvP.
• 39:10
  But that makes me wake up every single day and love what I do
• 39:14
  and like, love to pour myself into and try to get better and
• 39:18
  try to achieve those things because my imagination fuels me.
• 39:22
  Because a lot of the times, sometimes when you even get
• 39:25
  those things, the that Kindle and flame, it gets dim.
• 39:29
  My Kindle and flame is never dim because I'm always going after
• 39:33
  these crazy dreams and imaginations.
• 39:36
  So that's what fuels the the hell out of me on on all these
• 39:39
  things. Nice dude.
• 39:41
  That's definitely like the first time I think I've I've heard a
• 39:44
  perspective quite like that. That's super interesting
• 39:48
  because. Or delusional.
• 39:50
  I mean, yeah, it's one way to put it, yeah, but.
• 39:54
  No, I could. But I could totally see what
• 39:56
  you're saying, like just by watching you play and, and just
• 39:58
  the, I guess manner that you go about playing, it's it's I, I
• 40:02
  see exactly what you mean. I just remember at the hotel in
• 40:07
  Texas listening to you and Sardako, like talk about goals
• 40:14
  and like the future of like your accounts and everything and just
• 40:17
  going into it and. Like there was just so much
• 40:21
  ambition in in what you guys are talking about, like with what to
• 40:24
  shoot for in the game. And I'm sitting next to foe and
• 40:27
  every time you guys are talking about like this thing you're
• 40:30
  going to go and do me and foe just look at each other.
• 40:32
  We're like these motherfuckers have no idea what they're
• 40:35
  getting into. Like they have no clue.
• 40:38
  And like Foe is the he's the guy to like have the credentials to
• 40:42
  laugh at shit like that because he's done it all forever, like
• 40:46
  for fucking 12 years now, like doing methods that just, you
• 40:51
  know, he did the Slayer grind before, you know, anything was
• 40:56
  remotely quality of life. Like he did the worst possible
• 40:59
  Slayer grind in 99. So like he knows exactly like
• 41:02
  just how much it takes to get there.
• 41:05
  And but it was like, you just never see that initial
• 41:12
  excitement and ambition anymore because I mean, the game's been
• 41:16
  out for a long time, but you know it.
• 41:19
  It's not often that we get to like experience a game like as
• 41:24
  an adult and suddenly, like all these goals start popping up in
• 41:28
  our mind and we get excited about chasing them.
• 41:30
  And like seeing that in real time in real life with you guys
• 41:33
  talking about it was awesome. It was like, dude, this game's
• 41:36
  fucking great, man. Like this is cool.
• 41:39
  I'm I'm glad you're part of it. Yeah, starry eyed kids, man.
• 41:42
  We were just like, it's like we walked into a game card shop or
• 41:45
  a Warhammer like Frank's train shop.
• 41:48
  And we're like, Oh my God, bro, we're going to build all these
• 41:51
  armies and have all these massive things.
• 41:53
  We're going to paint them all and it's going to be sick.
• 41:55
  And Foe is just like, yeah, yeah, they have no idea what
• 41:59
  they're about to get into. That's a lot out.
• 42:02
  But like, we just, we're innocent, we're naive, we're
• 42:05
  oblivious, and we're just like, oh hell yeah.
• 42:08
  Yeah, dude, it was great. There's been this common
• 42:12
  discussion. I'm really curious what you
• 42:13
  think about it. This statement that people have
• 42:16
  been making of progression matters is this kind of phrase
• 42:20
  everyone says. This big appeal for a lot of Wow
• 42:23
  players was that, you know, coming over to old school, the
• 42:27
  progression has a a whole different feel and a whole
• 42:30
  different meaning just because of the nature of the game.
• 42:34
  Like there's no expansions that are going to extend the combat
• 42:37
  level or the gear stats that are going to crush your old gear
• 42:41
  immediately. And you know, the, the path that
• 42:44
  you're going to be taking is not going to be suddenly a different
• 42:47
  path three years from now because you'd still be on the
• 42:50
  same one that you set in the 1st place.
• 42:53
  So did you feel that new type of progression or feel like the
• 42:58
  difference in what progression meant during the majority of
• 43:03
  your play? Instantly you'd say.
• 43:05
  Instantly, I mean, the, the game is just fundamentally designed
• 43:08
  differently. The the games are just
• 43:12
  completely designed differently. And you experience it once, once
• 43:17
  you log into the game because again, it's a sandbox.
• 43:20
  It's a sandbox game and it's designed for longevity.
• 43:24
  It's designed to withstand someone taking a break for a
• 43:30
  year and coming back and having that flame rekindled and being
• 43:35
  like, oh wow, I don't feel like I'm behind or anything.
• 43:38
  And it feels like nothing is. It's like time slows down in
• 43:41
  Runescape, while in the World of Warcraft the time feels like
• 43:48
  it's fleeting. So in Runescape, time feels like
• 43:52
  it slows down and you can just enjoy yourself.
• 43:55
  You can sweat, you cannot sweat. You can kind of play however you
• 43:58
  want. Whenever you log into World of
• 44:00
  Warcraft, it feels that the moment you log in, you're the
• 44:05
  time is running out, whether it is, you know, the first week to
• 44:10
  60 and being a part of that rush.
• 44:12
  Now that part of the game is done, time is running out.
• 44:14
  It's getting closer to to like death.
• 44:17
  OK, now it's 3 or 4 weeks into the first phase.
• 44:20
  Everyone's kind of tired of Molten Core.
• 44:22
  They already have their Priebus. Time is now running out.
• 44:25
  It's getting closer to death. And it's just, it just
• 44:27
  constantly feels like it's just dropping off the moment the
• 44:31
  gates open and you have to hold on to this emotion and
• 44:36
  excitement and you have to go completely insane and overboard
• 44:39
  immediately, very irrationally, because you know it's going to
• 44:43
  be gone very, very short. It's like walking into a room
• 44:47
  and you have a sugar addiction and there's a cake.
• 44:50
  And you know that in like the next three seconds, if you don't
• 44:52
  eat as much as you can, people are going to come into the room
• 44:55
  and they're going to eat what's left.
• 44:56
  And it's your favorite cake. And you're like, well, damn, I
• 45:00
  got to eat my damn cake because it's going to be gone.
• 45:03
  And then you're not going to get any more cake for a while.
• 45:06
  And so you're just trying to like savor every or get as much.
• 45:09
  You're not even trying to savor at this point.
• 45:10
  You're just trying to over consume and go just rabid.
• 45:14
  And so that's kind of the nice thing is when you play
• 45:17
  Runescape, you don't have this like FOMO and it doesn't feel
• 45:21
  again, like it's fleeting. It's just Gillenor.
• 45:26
  It's there. It's just there.
• 45:29
  It's. There, it's just there and you
• 45:32
  get to play how you want to play and it's just there.
• 45:36
  Swamp politics happen. That character is now done.
• 45:39
  It's still there. Mutts has a 126 Max probably and
• 45:44
  he has a hardcore Zuck helmet. Guess what, it's still there.
• 45:47
  You can log in, you're not behind.
• 45:49
  Yep, it's still there. Everything is there and it's
• 45:52
  beautiful. It's a very beautiful thing.
• 45:55
  And that I think is this the, the, the, the line difference
• 46:00
  time fleets when you play Wow, it only is it's it's best at the
• 46:04
  very beginning and it just gets worse over time.
• 46:08
  Runescape, it's very just as you see fit, as you want to
• 46:13
  progress. And the time just feels very,
• 46:16
  very slow. And you get to choose if you
• 46:18
  want to ramp it up or not, depending on where you are in
• 46:20
  life. In World of Warcraft, you don't
• 46:22
  really get to choose whether you want to ramp it up or not
• 46:25
  because it's on their release cadence.
• 46:28
  Oh shit, they want to open up a classic fresh all right, we got
• 46:32
  to lock in On this date. Oh, if you just decide to have
• 46:36
  emotion and inspiration because of swamp Lydics or a Jimmy video
• 46:41
  and you want to start a character and go crazy, cool.
• 46:44
  You go crazy on a Tuesday bet random Tuesday for some reason
• 46:48
  you're fucking hyped and you now want to get 99 fishing.
• 46:51
  OK, awesome. And so that freedom to sink your
• 46:55
  teeth in is something that is just a really good thing.
• 47:00
  It's a very, very good thing because I don't think there's
• 47:03
  FOMO. There might be FOMO when sailing
• 47:06
  drops. I think there's going to be a
• 47:07
  massive excitement and I think that'll be a moment or maybe
• 47:10
  like when new rage drop or something.
• 47:12
  But it's like with everything, right?
• 47:13
  Super exciting, right? Overall time is slow in
• 47:17
  Gillenor. It's a, it's a good, it's a good
• 47:20
  speed, very good speed. Yeah, it's it's funny you
• 47:24
  mentioned the like the the feeling of I mean, essentially
• 47:28
  every patch or expansion kind of being like this ticking time
• 47:32
  bomb to death of, you know, you feel like you've got to go, go,
• 47:37
  go. You've got to get there When
• 47:38
  everyone else gets there, you're running out of time.
• 47:40
  Like no matter what, the game is almost constantly in a state of
• 47:44
  that genre. And knowing that a lot of the
• 47:48
  Wow guys probably, whether they or consciously thinking about it
• 47:53
  that way or not, is like this kind of how everyone's brains
• 47:56
  have been wired from playing that game so much.
• 47:59
  It was interesting to see that kind of translate into your guys
• 48:04
  experience with Old School Runescape because a lot of you
• 48:07
  guys are so used to that grind, just heavy, constantly pushing
• 48:12
  forward. And a lot of you guys progressed
• 48:14
  so fast, like non-stop progression, getting to end
• 48:20
  game, like mid game, end game content, just go in full
• 48:24
  throttle. And it, it almost felt like your
• 48:29
  guys is, I guess training like your mental training through all
• 48:33
  of the different events and the, you know, the the hard cores and
• 48:37
  the season of discoveries and, you know, all these things that
• 48:41
  have another like a like a hard time limit on them.
• 48:45
  Kind of came over to the normal Runescape servers.
• 48:49
  Do you think that kind of played a part in maybe shifting your
• 48:54
  motivation away since you kind of came at it so fast?
• 48:58
  No, so I'll make this clear because Guzu made a video and
• 49:02
  everything like that about like you know, the Wow streamers like
• 49:06
  some Wow streamers leaving and stuff like that.
• 49:09
  When I originally came over to play Runescape.
• 49:12
  Now that I now that you know, the reason why and like where I
• 49:15
  was mentally when I came over to Gillenor and I just had that
• 49:21
  spark that like when it when it clicks with me, it clicks with
• 49:24
  me. So when I was playing the game,
• 49:27
  I I mean, I was going for untrim Slayer.
• 49:31
  You can't stay. I was playing meta.
• 49:33
  I was out of my mind doing the most randomest stuff.
• 49:37
  I had JCW as coaching me trying to figure out how the hell I'm
• 49:42
  even going to like, you know, do this and he wants me to do it
• 49:45
  without, you know, trying to minimize getting as many
• 49:47
  cannabis as possible and how that route looks like.
• 49:50
  Making sure he's, you know, watching over we need to go do
• 49:53
  this and that. So it was never really like I'm
• 49:56
  playing the game and I'm trying to push constantly because of
• 50:01
  like what I've been conditioned and wow AI played the game with
• 50:06
  excitement and enthusiasm because I was so just excited
• 50:09
  and enthusiastic to play. And then B, my channel was doing
• 50:13
  amazing. So then that was fueling the
• 50:16
  dopamine. I mean, I never had that type of
• 50:20
  views and and this type of Subs and everything like that.
• 50:24
  I mean, the, the energy and I, I was meeting you.
• 50:27
  I was meeting faux mutts, no monkey, I mean ever.
• 50:33
  I was meeting so many creators. Runescape was coming in and it
• 50:37
  was just like, it was an energy. I mean, I don't know if I was
• 50:41
  waking up at 4:00 in the morning, I was so damn excited
• 50:46
  off of 6 hours of sleep or something, I couldn't go back to
• 50:49
  sleep. Yeah, I would just wake up at
• 50:51
  4:00 in the morning and play the game.
• 50:54
  Not to progress the game, just to play the game.
• 50:57
  I wasn't trying to beat the game or anything like that.
• 51:00
  It was just I would go live. There were people in my chat
• 51:04
  waiting for me at 4:00 in the morning.
• 51:07
  Like what is going on? This is.
• 51:08
  Insane. It's bizarre.
• 51:10
  And I, I loved it. And it was just this, it was
• 51:13
  this unbelievable coziness of like logging on Gillenor's time
• 51:17
  is slower. And I just was doing whatever I
• 51:20
  wanted to do that day. And it was, let's do some
• 51:23
  untrimmed Slayer. And so I never really approached
• 51:28
  it in a way where like I needed to like get it done.
• 51:33
  I never really took that didn't carry over because I wanted
• 51:36
  freedom. I wanted to breathe.
• 51:37
  I wanted a break. And I just wanted to play a new
• 51:41
  game that was unapologetically new.
• 51:43
  I was bad at it. And I wanted to learn and just
• 51:46
  explore it all. And that's what I did.
• 51:48
  I, I just gave myself, gave myself to the game.
• 51:53
  I guess I'll continue on like, you know, what happened with the
• 51:55
  emotions changing and everything like that.
• 51:57
  Do you want me to? Is this a proper way or do you
• 52:00
  want me to answer that later? Well, I guess yeah, we could
• 52:02
  shift into I guess a little background.
• 52:05
  I mean background as far as I know, is you.
• 52:10
  I only saw like a clip or something like I didn't even
• 52:14
  dive into it that deep. But as far as I know, you got to
• 52:17
  like the mid slash end game grinds of like BofA and you're
• 52:22
  going to the the red prison and that repetitive grind kind of
• 52:27
  pushed you away. So you're kind of taking a break
• 52:29
  because, you know, just kind of not feeling it right now.
• 52:32
  Yeah, that's, do you even want to talk about that in this in
• 52:34
  this interview or do you just want to leave that?
• 52:36
  Yeah, no, I. Absolutely do because you're
• 52:38
  you're one of the only ones that are going to have that mindset
• 52:41
  of like wasn't feeling it at some point kind of thing.
• 52:45
  The other guys I've talked to are still, you know, they're not
• 52:48
  at any sort of obstacle or something in the road yet.
• 52:53
  So yeah, yeah. No, you, I mean, feel free to
• 52:55
  just. Take the mic.
• 52:57
  Talk about it. Take the mic.
• 52:58
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:59
  So circling back, essentially what ended up happening was like
• 53:04
  I was giving myself to the game and you know, we got quest Cape.
• 53:09
  We no longer were doing the untrim Slayer.
• 53:11
  We ended up, you know, shifting gears and getting quest Cape and
• 53:14
  now like actually taking the game seriously because now no
• 53:17
  longer is it about untrim Slayer.
• 53:20
  It's now about let's actually go for Zuck helmet and what does
• 53:23
  that look like? Well, that looks like, well, we
• 53:25
  need to unlock all the content. Let's go and do quest Cape at
• 53:28
  that time again, I'm still just fueled on just my stream is
• 53:32
  doing so good. I'm crap stabbing and connecting
• 53:35
  with people and it's just like, yeah, bro, no XP waste.
• 53:38
  And you're kind of just like feeding into this energy and
• 53:42
  vibe and like, you know how people are just in the game and
• 53:45
  it's like, it's like it's a fun thing, right?
• 53:47
  People come in like bro, I gem last night I got 2 levels.
• 53:50
  What's up? And so yeah, we were we were
• 53:53
  playing a lot. And then there was a point when
• 53:55
  I was doing quest Cape where I was definitely feeling tired,
• 54:00
  but that was it because I, I think I was more so settling in
• 54:03
  that, hey, this isn't going away.
• 54:05
  You've been going really, really hard.
• 54:07
  Let's kind of, you know, take a take a step back.
• 54:09
  So I stopped gem crabbing and I was playing the game and it
• 54:12
  wasn't that my interest was leaving at all.
• 54:14
  I was, I was truly still giving myself to the game.
• 54:17
  So then we did the unbelievable grandmaster quests, the quest in
• 54:22
  Runescape, by the way, bro, they're just fire.
• 54:25
  They really, they really feel like goddamn.
• 54:28
  Oh they're it's my bread and butter.
• 54:29
  Dude. I love quests.
• 54:31
  Desert treasure two man, that one's for the books that's going
• 54:35
  up there. What an unbelievable finale.
• 54:38
  So we we end up getting the quest Cape and so now now that
• 54:42
  I'm done with quest Cape and everything's unlocked now the
• 54:45
  game is here. The game hit me right in the
• 54:48
  face. OK well what is next?
• 54:51
  Because every single motivator before Jimmy was for me to get
• 54:56
  like a requirement to do a quest.
• 54:58
  I need 70 of this for SOTEI noticed once I got done with the
• 55:05
  quest Cape that my desire and ambition to level and do those
• 55:12
  grinds, it just went away. I don't know.
• 55:18
  That was like the first moment of it.
• 55:20
  And I remember when I was doing Caliphate Queen and I was like,
• 55:23
  I want a dragon chain body because that was like the
• 55:26
  epitome of prestige and valor in like old, old days.
• 55:30
  That was like what my brothers and his friends were dreaming
• 55:33
  of. And I remember people were like,
• 55:35
  Oh yeah, but you need this helm for the diary.
• 55:38
  And I was like, I don't really care to do the diary.
• 55:42
  And then it's like you start, I started looking at the other
• 55:44
  levels that require for some of the elite Diaries.
• 55:47
  And I'm like, I like, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to
• 55:50
  do that for the diary. It just doesn't like the the
• 55:54
  effort to reward and like what I would get that was starting to
• 55:58
  become mismatched. And that's kind of like the
• 56:01
  first iteration, but I didn't really take note of it.
• 56:04
  I was still in the game, playing the game and everything like
• 56:06
  that. That was just the first moment
• 56:08
  of me now talking out loud with you right now, looking back,
• 56:13
  that was the first moment of it kind of like seeping in.
• 56:17
  And then I was doing the BofA grind because I was doing other
• 56:20
  stuff in the game, but my range set was so weak and I wouldn't
• 56:24
  be able to afford the runes to be able to do torment to demons
• 56:28
  on a consistent basis. So I was burning through so much
• 56:32
  gold and ruins, and I wouldn't be able to upkeep that.
• 56:35
  And if I tried to, I would have to next the tormented demon task
• 56:40
  just to get another task and maybe get the gold to be able
• 56:43
  to, you know, keep Slayer rolling and the gold, you know,
• 56:46
  flowing. So then maybe later on I can do
• 56:48
  the tormented demons. And just killing them was
• 56:50
  horrible. It was just a very slow process.
• 56:54
  And I couldn't even do the demonic gorillas.
• 56:56
  It was like, really, really hard for me to do the demonic
• 56:59
  gorillas. Yeah.
• 57:00
  So there were these two pillar Slayer quests.
• 57:03
  And I love the Slayer Cape. It's what I wanted to do at that
• 57:07
  time I wasn't really able to effectively even dent Slayer and
• 57:11
  do Slayer. So then I was like OK let's do
• 57:13
  BofA and I wanted to make it a whole thing and I memed off of
• 57:17
  SAR like the BofA thon and everything like that, yadda
• 57:19
  yadda. But it wasn't the grind that
• 57:22
  burnt me out. It was the grind of the red
• 57:25
  prison that made me realize what the mid to end game of Runescape
• 57:30
  is. And it isn't something that
• 57:33
  aligns with me. And I feel like the crux or the
• 57:38
  reason that I kind of decided to step away from the game was when
• 57:45
  we talked about it earlier, you your first question was, you
• 57:48
  know, like what type of MMO player are you?
• 57:50
  And I said I'm APV pier PvP in Runescape is not my thing.
• 57:58
  I've tried it, I've tried it off stream, I've tried to get into
• 58:02
  it. It is not my thing.
• 58:04
  And so when I looked at not just the BofA grind, but now circling
• 58:09
  back to how my like how my drive, like what drives me and
• 58:12
  how that works within me and those cogs interact, I'm looking
• 58:16
  at zuck helmet off in the distance and I'm like, I have to
• 58:20
  do all of this grinding to get zuck helmet, but I won't even be
• 58:24
  able to PvP with it. Like when I get something cool
• 58:28
  in World of Warcraft, I want that item to look cool.
• 58:31
  So when IPVPI feel more like my character, I don't want zuck
• 58:36
  helmet to flex to everyone that I want to be agmi want zuck
• 58:40
  helmet just because it looks cool, right.
• 58:43
  I went from Dillonore is new and vibrant and I'm learning the
• 58:47
  zones and I'm questing to Then I got to the highest clip of Mount
• 58:51
  Everest with quest Cape and it was bunkai.
• 58:53
  And now I'm seeing like I'm at the next phase of the game.
• 58:58
  And now the next phase of the game is well, you have to do
• 59:02
  seaweed runs, birdhouse runs. You need to glassblow for 50
• 59:06
  hours or 103 hundred 400 hours of, you know, going standing
• 59:10
  outside of a bank and you know, inventory lunar spell back in
• 59:16
  inventory, lunar spell back in to get, you know, the fury
• 59:19
  necklace. And then we have to do herb
• 59:21
  runs. And I was like noticing I don't
• 59:23
  want to do herb runs. I'm noticing I don't want to do
• 59:25
  farm runs. I'm noticing I don't want to do
• 59:27
  mixology. I started noticing I didn't want
• 59:29
  to do more things. I didn't want to get the
• 59:32
  community together and go do giants foundry to level up
• 59:36
  smithing with everyone to go and get the Lumbridge diary.
• 59:40
  So I don't need a dreaming staff anymore and I just started
• 59:43
  knowing and seeing myself not wanting to do things in the game
• 59:48
  anymore because the grinds to achieve these things.
• 59:52
  Like I said, Runescape grinders, you guys are second to none.
• 59:56
  It's a really big grind and I wasn't role-playing as much as I
• 1:00:01
  was. I wasn't making my sword sounds
• 1:00:03
  as much as I was and I wasn't saying bunkai as much as I was.
• 1:00:08
  And that was changing my core. So the game was now altering
• 1:00:15
  kind of like who I am and like what my core was.
• 1:00:19
  Not in a bad way, it was just changing it.
• 1:00:21
  And I think it really just kind of like circled back to.
• 1:00:25
  I didn't really want to PvP in the game, so achieving all of
• 1:00:29
  these items and rarities and things like that, it didn't
• 1:00:32
  really have like a deeper purpose because I don't mind AD
• 1:00:36
  Gen. for stuff because I want to go use it in PvP.
• 1:00:40
  And so when you remove that from the equation, it was like, I'm
• 1:00:44
  going to do literally all of this stuff for me to just do the
• 1:00:49
  next insane thing. Like I'm going to go get
• 1:00:53
  Warhammer off of a shaman and hope that I have the Joker's
• 1:00:56
  spoon at 788 kills, which probably won't happen, to then
• 1:01:00
  go into another really intense crime.
• 1:01:03
  Like the one thing when I like really felt like I really wanted
• 1:01:08
  to, I took like a day off and stuff is when we did Cox, when I
• 1:01:12
  did my first Cox run with everyone, when I did that boss,
• 1:01:16
  I felt I now done Cox, I've now done TOA and we did TOB together
• 1:01:22
  entry mode in Texas. And I felt like I did the
• 1:01:25
  majority of the major raids. And at that point I felt like I
• 1:01:28
  experienced a lot of the game even though I only got 1 kill.
• 1:01:32
  But it was at that moment where like I found out that Sync got
• 1:01:35
  like he has 5000 Cox runs or people were laughing at me where
• 1:01:39
  they're like, dude, you're going to do 1000 Cox runs probably
• 1:01:42
  before you see a twisted bow. And that was like, whoa, that's
• 1:01:47
  a lot of repetition. A lot of repetition.
• 1:01:51
  And a lot of, you know, getting that item to not be able to PvP
• 1:01:55
  with it. And then again, like I just
• 1:01:59
  mentioned the thing that was kind of going under the the
• 1:02:02
  other leather layer that was happening with, you know, the
• 1:02:05
  whole bunkai thing and me not really being that like character
• 1:02:09
  that I love. So it's like all of those
• 1:02:11
  factors kind of like hit at once.
• 1:02:13
  And then it was like a really weird thing because Runescape
• 1:02:17
  has also given me everything. So now I'm in a weird spot where
• 1:02:21
  I'm having the most success. I've never had this much viewers
• 1:02:27
  and community. I never had so many content
• 1:02:30
  creators hang out with me and stream, want to do stuff with
• 1:02:33
  me, DM me and, and all of these things.
• 1:02:36
  It's like, imagine you were perfectly happy and then now
• 1:02:40
  you're perfectly not happy like the next day in a blink of an
• 1:02:44
  eye. But like everyone, everyone's
• 1:02:48
  cheering for you and like wanting you and like wanting you
• 1:02:50
  to continue doing it. And you're just like, Oh my God,
• 1:02:53
  what the hell? Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  And it's a scary thing because now, and this is this is like
• 1:03:00
  where it got really scary. I didn't even really know about
• 1:03:02
  New World. And like the expansion, there
• 1:03:05
  were moments where I had no idea what I was even going to do as a
• 1:03:08
  streamer because I didn't want to go back to Wow.
• 1:03:11
  I was having this weird alienation, almost like a
• 1:03:15
  disassociation feel with Runescape, but there was like no
• 1:03:20
  MMO for me to play. There's like the first time I'm
• 1:03:23
  sitting here as a content creator.
• 1:03:24
  I'm like, I don't know what to do.
• 1:03:27
  Am I just old now? Do I not like gaming anymore?
• 1:03:29
  Is this something that I'm going through?
• 1:03:31
  Like what the IT was a this is my dream.
• 1:03:34
  This was everything for me. This was everything I imagined.
• 1:03:37
  The viewer count that I've always wanted, the sub count
• 1:03:40
  that I couldn't even believe I fucking had the amount of money
• 1:03:43
  that I was able to make. And like, whoa, like this was,
• 1:03:45
  this was everything I could imagine.
• 1:03:48
  And it's my, my brain just says, no, I don't, I don't want this.
• 1:03:54
  I don't, I don't want that. It was, it was just scary as
• 1:03:57
  hell. And I was like going through a
• 1:03:59
  really weird thing offline, trying to compartmentalize what
• 1:04:03
  is going on. Why am I not liking this game
• 1:04:05
  anymore? What am I going to do next?
• 1:04:08
  And everything and it was, it was crazy.
• 1:04:09
  It was down outright crazy. And then I ended up Summit was
• 1:04:13
  streaming early, was doing good on New World and he was hyping
• 1:04:15
  it up. And I tried, I tried New World
• 1:04:18
  and I am really enjoying it and I'm curious.
• 1:04:21
  I think I'm just, I'm curious and I'm enjoying it.
• 1:04:24
  It's not the same as Runescape content.
• 1:04:26
  What New World does have for me is at least allows me to be that
• 1:04:29
  character again. And I think I need to be that
• 1:04:33
  character. I need to go back into that
• 1:04:35
  character. I need to exhaust being that
• 1:04:37
  character. And then maybe I come back to
• 1:04:39
  Runescape when I'm exhausted of, oh, I've done it enough or I'm
• 1:04:42
  struggling with narratives or something.
• 1:04:43
  But right now I feel like I can pick up the pen and write.
• 1:04:47
  And if I can pick up the pen and write, then I need to write, You
• 1:04:50
  know what I'm saying? Like at some point I need to
• 1:04:53
  stop doing whatever else I was doing and maybe say like, let's
• 1:04:56
  just use Runescape as a gym. I need to stop going to the gym
• 1:04:59
  and I need to actually get this book done.
• 1:05:01
  Like let's to start writing and that's kind of like where I'm at
• 1:05:06
  and where and what happened with Runescape.
• 1:05:09
  I genuinely think I just got to the mid end game and I just
• 1:05:12
  don't really like the mid to end game of Runescape.
• 1:05:14
  I don't like the repetitive, very deep, long grinds and going
• 1:05:20
  from one KC and same KC to the next insane KC and then not just
• 1:05:25
  being able to PvP with whatever insane KCI got.
• 1:05:28
  And that's that's what it generally just boils down to
• 1:05:30
  Like, and it was a beautiful run.
• 1:05:32
  I mean, you know, like I had a beautiful time.
• 1:05:34
  I met so many people. I met you, you know, I, I met a
• 1:05:37
  lot of people and it sucks because people are getting used
• 1:05:40
  to morning coffee with show back and stuff like that.
• 1:05:43
  So it weighs on me, you know? You know, what's really funny
• 1:05:45
  is, is the, that you mention New World and like you're, you're
• 1:05:50
  getting in a new world because you know, my, my history with,
• 1:05:53
  with Old School Runescape, it, it's actually there's like a
• 1:05:57
  very clear parallel that you and I, I've experienced and you're
• 1:06:02
  experiencing with New World playing a very similar role to
• 1:06:08
  what I experienced. Because no way.
• 1:06:11
  Because yeah, I, it was, I think it was like 2022 when when New
• 1:06:15
  World first came out and I was in a very weird place with
• 1:06:21
  Runescape content because it's just this constant battle of
• 1:06:24
  like, what do I do next? Do I make a video essay?
• 1:06:27
  Do I make a series? Do I continue a series?
• 1:06:30
  What do I do for this month, next month's video?
• 1:06:34
  How do I continue my career? And it was just like constant
• 1:06:36
  spinning and knowing I need to do something.
• 1:06:41
  And I ended up trying New World with a few friends like just out
• 1:06:47
  of nowhere and ended up just having some of the most Posey
• 1:06:52
  feelings I've had playing a game in so long.
• 1:06:56
  If that initial like like new world, like levels one through
• 1:07:00
  50, it is probably like some of the most hosiest grind you can
• 1:07:04
  do in any game ever. Like it just feels so nice.
• 1:07:08
  It's it's relaxing. There's some obviously, like you
• 1:07:12
  could put yourself in some stressful situations, you could
• 1:07:14
  PvP, but ultimately it's a very relaxing game to kind of like
• 1:07:20
  put your mind at ease. But it was through that new
• 1:07:23
  world experience like this 8, this 800 hours of diving into
• 1:07:29
  new world, like next to the work that I was doing with Runescape
• 1:07:34
  that actually brought me to enjoy Old school Runescape PVM
• 1:07:41
  for really the first time ever. It was the first time ever that
• 1:07:44
  I was able to actually use something that I experienced in
• 1:07:49
  another game to come back to my home base game and see things in
• 1:07:54
  a different light. And just because of how much fun
• 1:07:59
  I had in New World and the doing the the dungeons and the raids
• 1:08:02
  in in New World and all the skill I was able to acquire by
• 1:08:08
  just learning and feeling the satisfaction of like really
• 1:08:14
  getting down a boss's mechanics and becoming someone that like
• 1:08:17
  people can rely on was such a, a good feeling in New World.
• 1:08:21
  I was like, I want to experience that in old school.
• 1:08:24
  And it was like the first time I was able to take a step back and
• 1:08:28
  see old school again with like fresh eyes.
• 1:08:32
  And I think there's a lot of stuff I I I want to comment on
• 1:08:37
  with like what you're going through with with old school
• 1:08:42
  Runescape right now. First things first, get it out
• 1:08:46
  of the way. The you only take breaks things
• 1:08:49
  is is true. So don't do this sayonara
• 1:08:51
  bullshit. You'll be back.
• 1:08:53
  Don't fucking worry about it. It it seems like, you know,
• 1:08:58
  obviously all the achievements and rewards for, you know, doing
• 1:09:03
  those really heavy PVM things that you know, it's all
• 1:09:06
  subjective. So you know that I think that's
• 1:09:09
  what you're experiencing right now is you're like kind of like,
• 1:09:11
  what's the point if it's just cosmetic and I can't benefit or
• 1:09:16
  you know, look cool while PK ING.
• 1:09:19
  You know that that value isn't there for you right now because
• 1:09:23
  it doesn't have as much weight to it right now.
• 1:09:25
  I don't think because I think you're still so new with the
• 1:09:28
  game that it's hard to grasp just what the Zuckhelm is
• 1:09:35
  because apart from looking cool, it's probably one of the
• 1:09:40
  greatest achievements you can possibly get in all of video
• 1:09:44
  games. It's not an exaggeration.
• 1:09:46
  It is probably one of the hardest items to achieve in all
• 1:09:50
  of video games because of what you have to learn and go
• 1:09:52
  through. It would probably take you 2
• 1:09:55
  years if you dedicated every day two years to get Zuck helm from
• 1:10:00
  right now. Don't doubt it.
• 1:10:01
  Oh yeah. It is fucked up the things you
• 1:10:03
  got to do for that helm, so it's like that.
• 1:10:07
  And on Iron Man too. On Iron Man.
• 1:10:10
  Yeah, this is my next bullet point.
• 1:10:12
  This is my next bullet point. I'm sure you've talked about it
• 1:10:16
  before. I think I even heard whispers of
• 1:10:19
  of you talking about de ironing. What?
• 1:10:22
  What is your stance on de ironing?
• 1:10:23
  Let me hear that. No, that is literally a meme and
• 1:10:27
  Sardeko just feels that meme. No I would never de iron, it's
• 1:10:30
  just not my type of game. The only way I would ever play
• 1:10:33
  Runescape if the only time I'd ever not play Iron Man is if we
• 1:10:38
  could teleport back to world. What three O 3 Falador park?
• 1:10:45
  What what is it? Edgeville line of PKS and pures
• 1:10:49
  level like 30 Boeing and then like viroc.
• 1:10:53
  What viroc? West Bank and everyone on the
• 1:10:57
  back wall selling Santa hats and Halloween masks for 28 mil 42
• 1:11:03
  mil. Like if it if if the community
• 1:11:06
  had no grand exchange and you had to like merch, then yes.
• 1:11:11
  But the fact that there's a grand exchange and you could
• 1:11:12
  just put up an item into the ether or accept an item from the
• 1:11:16
  ether. I would never I would never de
• 1:11:19
  iron. I just wouldn't play Runescape
• 1:11:21
  if it was an Iron Man. That's.
• 1:11:22
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Because. The thing is, is this is like
• 1:11:26
  people are like showbik, why don't you just de iron and buy a
• 1:11:29
  BofA? Well, it's like, well, why am I
• 1:11:31
  going to buy AD iron, buy a BofA and then just go run Cox for
• 1:11:36
  twisted bow? Or because I'm a streamer,
• 1:11:38
  someone would probably give me twisted bow.
• 1:11:40
  So then it's like, well, what am I going to do the things for?
• 1:11:43
  Am I just going to go for Zuck helmet at that point?
• 1:11:45
  Like am I just going to learn the raid fights?
• 1:11:48
  But yes, I could probably I could possibly do that.
• 1:11:51
  Just get, you know, donated all the gear and then just go for
• 1:11:54
  Zuck helmet challenge modes. Yes, I probably could do that.
• 1:11:58
  Yes, it in in some way could have probably been a beautiful
• 1:12:02
  line up for for content and what something to do, But I didn't
• 1:12:06
  really want to de iron. I wanted to just play the game
• 1:12:12
  and I felt that runescape was so bad ass when you just play the
• 1:12:18
  game and every mob you kill, it's other like you don't get
• 1:12:21
  that item or you or you do and like when you do get that item,
• 1:12:25
  it's incredible. You're like dude, you have that
• 1:12:27
  item on and hardcore like you played the game and the game
• 1:12:31
  chose you and you now have that, and I love that.
• 1:12:35
  I love that I really do. You're you're absolutely the
• 1:12:38
  chat's not wrong. Like, yes, I could Deiron get
• 1:12:42
  all the legendaries, all the gear, everything donated and
• 1:12:45
  let's go crazy for Zuck helmet. But I don't know, I just don't
• 1:12:50
  think it's the right Zuck helmet for me.
• 1:12:52
  I felt like how you said it's like one of the hardest
• 1:12:55
  achievements in the game. There's just something about a
• 1:12:58
  Zuck helmet on an Iron Man man. It's just it is just that like
• 1:13:02
  it's the undeniable. This guy really went through the
• 1:13:07
  game. He really did not to diminish by
• 1:13:10
  any means getting Zuck helmet period.com.
• 1:13:13
  It's it's the it's World of Warcraft's rank one.
• 1:13:15
  It's World of Warcraft's, you know, race to world first, like
• 1:13:19
  or mythic rating. It's like super high end.
• 1:13:22
  Only the best, the best have this thing.
• 1:13:24
  So I don't know, I just I'd want it on an Iron Man and if I was
• 1:13:29
  in a go for it, I'd rather just go for it and commit to it on an
• 1:13:31
  Iron Man. But yeah, your your people are
• 1:13:34
  saying like, yeah, dude, you can just de iron and go crazy and
• 1:13:39
  and just go for Zuck helmet. But I don't know, just didn't
• 1:13:42
  want to do that. So I guess Zuck helmet side.
• 1:13:45
  Did anybody ever ask you if you've considered doing like the
• 1:13:48
  bronze man mode thing? No, I I don't really know what
• 1:13:52
  the bronze man mode is. It's the bronze man mode.
• 1:13:55
  It's essentially like a compromise.
• 1:13:57
  It's a it's a plug in that a lot of players will use when they
• 1:14:02
  want to experience Iron Man, but also not the full extent of it.
• 1:14:07
  Essentially it's like once you get an item, once you make it or
• 1:14:12
  you get it as a drop, anything like that, it then becomes
• 1:14:14
  tradable and you're able to buy it and sell it as you please on
• 1:14:17
  the GE. But unless until you get it as a
• 1:14:20
  drop, it is completely locked from your account, you can't buy
• 1:14:23
  it beforehand. So essentially you're going for
• 1:14:26
  that drop, but you know, you don't have to fucking make 200
• 1:14:30
  prayer potions and do herb runs all day because you've already
• 1:14:33
  made that prayer potion, you've already acquired it before.
• 1:14:36
  So it's like you've gotten that sense of achievement of like
• 1:14:38
  I've gotten my account to this point.
• 1:14:40
  Everything else is just repetition after that.
• 1:14:44
  So it it, it keeps that sense of accomplishment of getting your
• 1:14:47
  account to a certain point, but then not having to kind of go
• 1:14:51
  through like a grueling process that could take away from the
• 1:14:55
  whatever goal you have sort of thing.
• 1:14:57
  But I feel like I, I feel like. At the end of the day man it's
• 1:15:00
  just it circles back to I want a PvP.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, I mean that's that's another thing it's like if PV,
• 1:15:06
  have you tried much PvP on on old school?
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, I, I, I was talking about it earlier.
• 1:15:11
  I just don't, I've tried it, man.
• 1:15:13
  It's just not my vibe. Yeah, it's not a lot of
• 1:15:15
  people's. It's just it's.
• 1:15:17
  A very niche vibe, I'd say. Yeah, it's.
• 1:15:20
  It's niche vibe, Yeah, it's, it's beautiful in that way, but
• 1:15:23
  it's it's just, it's not my vibe.
• 1:15:25
  Yeah, I get that. It's a it's a rough aspect of
• 1:15:29
  the game to get into. It's especially now because it's
• 1:15:33
  it's a very small community and it's unfortunately not taken
• 1:15:38
  very good care of. And you know, that's, that's a
• 1:15:41
  whole separate issue. But yeah, I mean, ultimately I
• 1:15:43
  think if, if you're kind of looking at it from a perspective
• 1:15:47
  of like, you know, you, you want to embody that character of
• 1:15:51
  being like the PvP guy and you want to kind of make that your
• 1:15:55
  highlight. You know, I, I can definitely
• 1:15:58
  see where you're coming from with like setting that value on
• 1:16:01
  certain cosmetics and like why they wouldn't be worth putting
• 1:16:04
  the, the time sink in to get it. So it definitely makes sense.
• 1:16:08
  I see exactly where you're coming from.
• 1:16:11
  And I think, you know, there's probably a, a possibility that
• 1:16:16
  some sort of goal slash achievement will seem appealing
• 1:16:20
  enough to bring you back one day.
• 1:16:22
  Because I, I think until that does happen, like an, until
• 1:16:25
  there is something in old school that you want to go for, whether
• 1:16:30
  you learn about it or it just like pops in your head like, you
• 1:16:32
  know what? I want to fucking get that
• 1:16:33
  thing. That's going to be when you're
• 1:16:36
  going to feel that motivation to come back and play again.
• 1:16:39
  Because I think everyone needs a goal.
• 1:16:41
  I think it's like the the key to playing old school happy.
• 1:16:48
  Well, I mean like you're. Talking like we were talking
• 1:16:51
  about earlier, it's all about sandboxing and like creating
• 1:16:54
  your story. If you don't have a story to
• 1:16:55
  write, then like there, there's no point of even logging in,
• 1:16:58
  right. So you have to have the story
• 1:17:00
  set and the story before was get on trim Slayer.
• 1:17:04
  And then it's like, OK, well, I've just I just made like
• 1:17:09
  50,000 cannonballs. Oh my God, this is diabetical.
• 1:17:14
  And so you know it, if you don't have that clear cut goal, like
• 1:17:18
  you're just going to sit there like, why am I doing this?
• 1:17:20
  And, and, and that's, that's what it was.
• 1:17:22
  So if I get a if I get another goal, like, yeah, I I have
• 1:17:28
  nothing against Runescape. I love Runescape.
• 1:17:30
  I still only talk highly about the people and and the game.
• 1:17:34
  Like you guys have a gorgeous game and I would love for other
• 1:17:38
  games to adapt and take in what Burnscape has just done so good
• 1:17:43
  with how they do community updates and how they constantly
• 1:17:47
  are updating the game and iterating it and trying to
• 1:17:49
  create changes of the community wants.
• 1:17:51
  And then also to just the skilling system and the depth of
• 1:17:55
  that. And there's so much to learn
• 1:17:58
  from this game. And I'm, I'm so happy I played
• 1:18:00
  because I love game development and I love talking about Mmos.
• 1:18:03
  And you know, I love, love, love that stuff.
• 1:18:06
  And playing this game, it really just opened my eyes.
• 1:18:08
  It just widened my palate. Like I now know and, and
• 1:18:12
  understand new things. And when I play a new game, I
• 1:18:15
  now just have more of an understanding of like I can
• 1:18:17
  either appreciate it. Maybe I would be more naive or
• 1:18:20
  narrow minded. Now I might be more appreciative
• 1:18:23
  and that, you know, who knows, maybe because I played
• 1:18:25
  Runescape, maybe I now like new world way more because I'm now
• 1:18:29
  appreciative of some of the systems that may overlap or may
• 1:18:32
  not overlap and whatnot. So All in all, it's been a great
• 1:18:35
  if the goal is there, I'm there. I'm I'm at a point now where I
• 1:18:40
  was selling stream. Like the most valuable lesson
• 1:18:42
  that I've had through all this is like, I don't ever want a
• 1:18:46
  tribal Runescape community is very, very tribal.
• 1:18:49
  And I don't think I've tribalized behind Runescape.
• 1:18:53
  I think I always was just like, yo, I'm playing it.
• 1:18:55
  I'm like really loving it. But I want to make sure I never
• 1:18:59
  really tribalize behind a game And I really just have fun
• 1:19:03
  because I never want to get to a point where I over promise.
• 1:19:07
  And I like give off this kind of thing of like I'm here forever
• 1:19:12
  and I'm not going anywhere because I now for the first
• 1:19:16
  time, really know that you can have unreal twitch success and
• 1:19:19
  all of this stuff and you can just wake up and not even want
• 1:19:23
  to hit the go live button or like login because you're just
• 1:19:25
  like, fuck, I don't know what to do.
• 1:19:27
  So I never want to get into that position and I don't want to be
• 1:19:30
  in that position because I don't want to hurt the community
• 1:19:33
  because that's just not good. Right.
• 1:19:35
  Like people galvanized behind show back in the story of him
• 1:19:39
  because like you said, we're all creating stories in the story of
• 1:19:42
  him and Gillenor and I was, you know, people's morning coffee.
• 1:19:45
  I was people's, you know, at after after hours wind down.
• 1:19:49
  And that's now changed. And that was a very valuable
• 1:19:54
  lesson. And it's come with some pain for
• 1:19:56
  sure. It was a very valuable lesson
• 1:19:58
  that I that I've learned. And I think now moving forward,
• 1:20:02
  I am not putting a limit on myself on anything.
• 1:20:05
  I simply want to see where the sail sets me or the wind carries
• 1:20:10
  me. My sail is set.
• 1:20:12
  And I just want to have fun. And I want to carry bunk eye
• 1:20:15
  with me. And I want to just bunk eye
• 1:20:17
  where wherever we want to go. Like I just want to to do that
• 1:20:21
  kind of like if I don't know if you watch One Piece, but Luffy
• 1:20:25
  just goes to all these different islands and meets all these
• 1:20:27
  different people and he just wants to be the Pirate king.
• 1:20:30
  And I just want to be the bunkai.
• 1:20:31
  And I just want to go around and see where it takes me.
• 1:20:34
  I just want to have fun. I think I just want to have fun
• 1:20:36
  now. For sure dude.
• 1:20:39
  That's it's a good mindset to be in.
• 1:20:41
  I I guess just hearing you talk, it kind of sounds like you are
• 1:20:45
  stepping away from old school indefinitely.
• 1:20:48
  Do you see yourself like ever incorporating old school into
• 1:20:53
  like a more casual, just hang out, just chatting type thing
• 1:20:58
  for yourself or would you rather just kind of avoid it entirely?
• 1:21:02
  Well, I think the thing that becomes a little challenging is
• 1:21:06
  if I wanted to mix in Runescape, it becomes a challenging thing
• 1:21:10
  to do for your content. Because if I just wake up
• 1:21:13
  tomorrow and say, hey guys, I just wanted to just chatting
• 1:21:15
  stream and I just feel like glassblowing for 15 hours and
• 1:21:18
  just yapping then like that might be weird because as you
• 1:21:23
  probably could imagine, it's already weird for me on stream
• 1:21:26
  right now. It's weird for me to stream the
• 1:21:28
  game. There's more talk about
• 1:21:29
  Runescape in my stream than New World.
• 1:21:32
  My stream is predominantly just talking about Runescape.
• 1:21:34
  That's all it is. Shevik, why are you leaving?
• 1:21:36
  Why is this, you're a wimp, blah blah blah, fuck you.
• 1:21:39
  All this stuff. And so it's like it's really
• 1:21:43
  hard to change up your content fastly, especially because I'm a
• 1:21:50
  person that pumps like energy into the game.
• 1:21:53
  Like I whenever I play something like I get people excited.
• 1:21:56
  I get people excited. They're like fuck bro, you made
• 1:21:58
  me re log in, you know, oh dude, showbik, you made me like pick
• 1:22:01
  up my iron again and showbik, because of you, I got my BofA.
• 1:22:04
  The thing is, is like when I play a game, I don't just play
• 1:22:07
  the game I like. I feel like I really like
• 1:22:11
  influence people on that. And it's a little bit more
• 1:22:13
  delicate for me. And personally, my stream where
• 1:22:17
  I have to be careful with what I do and I can't, I don't have the
• 1:22:20
  luxury of just like playing whatever at any given moment.
• 1:22:27
  It seems that I need to be just careful and not tribalize but
• 1:22:32
  invest for a periodic of time while also saying like, hey, yo,
• 1:22:38
  like I'm I'm really just having fun on this game.
• 1:22:40
  But that doesn't mean like, Oh yeah, I'm just having fun on
• 1:22:42
  this game. OK, yeah, I'm bored of this
• 1:22:43
  right now. Let's just go Jem crapper, you
• 1:22:46
  know, like an hour and just like chitchat and yap, which I mean,
• 1:22:49
  I never really thought about. And I do like that idea.
• 1:22:51
  Maybe that is something that I could you know, I'm just talking
• 1:22:56
  out loud could do, but I just have to be a little careful just
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  because of what I do when I game and how I game and also just to
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  keep chat good, right. You know, it's it's it's hard.
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  We're dealing with a lot of people now.
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  There's a there's a lot of people in the community.
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  I think if there's anything I've learned through, you know,
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  jumping between wow and and old school this last year, it's you
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  just got to do what is going to make you the the happiest of
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  this, like the most cliche fucking thing ever.
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  But like if you do that, then your core audience is going to
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  be there. Like it's, you know you can't.
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  You're, you're 100% right, and and that's why I chose streaming
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  because it's what I wanted to do and that's why I chose to step
• 1:23:47
  away from Runescape because that's what I wanted to do
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  right? And I, I have to make sure that
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  I'm like, I am happy. And again, like it does sound
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  the energy I'm giving off is like, yes, most likely I am
• 1:24:01
  leaving Runescape indefinitely. I, I don't see how I could
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  return, but that's not off the table because, well, if you
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  asked me if I was going to play Runescape three months ago, I'd
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  say you're out of your mind. And guess what?
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  I end up spending over thousands of hours.
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  I, I don't even know how many day, how many hours I had on the
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  game. Damn near.
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  I think over probably 1000, at least some crazy amount over the
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  past 90 days, you know, so like it's not ever off the realm of
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  impossible. I even told people I enjoy the
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  idea of coming back for sailing. I think I might come back for
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  sailing and do that thing. But as far as like a
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  consistency, I'm not too sure. I I see myself maybe just
• 1:24:44
  checking out sailing with everyone and being like, yo,
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  this is crazy. Let's just do like a weekend D
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  Gen. and see what we can do with it or something like that.
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  But I I'm just going to, I'm just kind of following the wind
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  and just trying to bunk on. Amen.
• 1:25:02
  That's it's a good, it's a good path, I'd say for you.
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  But yeah, man, I don't want to keep you too long because we've
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  been talking for about an hour and a half of this recording,
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  so. I'm loving it, dude.
• 1:25:13
  Dude, it's a ton of fun, Yeah. Thank you for talking with me
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  about all of it. It's, it's super cool seeing
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  like a whole different perspective because I mean, you
• 1:25:22
  obviously you approach content creation and gaming in a very
• 1:25:25
  different way than a lot of people do.
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  So very insightful kind of hearing your perspective on
• 1:25:31
  everything. So it's awesome.
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  Really appreciate you telling me all about it.
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  Dude, I, I appreciate you inviting me.
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  I, I love talking about this stuff.
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  So I'm just honored, you know, I'm just honored, Jimmy.
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  I'm just honored. Beautiful.
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  I'm glad you're honored. That's awesome.
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  It's, you know, we're teammates, man.
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  We're fucking yellow party hat guys, yellow team, whatever.
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  We were, yeah. We stick together a big thank
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  you once again to show back for finding time to talk with me.
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  I, I really do hope that our conversation kind of revealed a
• 1:26:02
  few more paths for him to take with Runescape down the road.
• 1:26:06
  At the end of the day, you know, it's what makes him happy.
• 1:26:10
  It is kind of funny that he's getting into New World
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  considering I think there was announcement the day of
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  recording this, that New World is probably going to be shutting
• 1:26:17
  down after 2026. They just revealed that they're,
• 1:26:20
  you know, putting all the expansions of stuff out for
• 1:26:23
  free. So that really sucks.
• 1:26:25
  Hopefully, you know, Showbag doesn't get too attached because
• 1:26:29
  that, you know, New World had its days, but you know, it's not
• 1:26:32
  the best time to get into it and get invested now, I would say.
• 1:26:35
  But you know, hopefully Showbag does find some sort of
• 1:26:38
  motivation down the road to come back.
• 1:26:40
  You know, that's we could just be hopeful.
• 1:26:42
  And if not, then that's cool too.
• 1:26:43
  He had a great time over here. It was awesome watching him.
• 1:26:47
  There was thousands of hours of show back gameplay that occurred
• 1:26:50
  in old school Runescape that people got to watch for free,
• 1:26:53
  and that's awesome. I'm glad he gave it a shot.
• 1:26:56
  So hopefully he'll he'll come back for more later.
• 1:26:58
  Next episode I talk with a streamer that started the
• 1:27:02
  ultimate domino effect across Twitch, the original Wow
• 1:27:05
  streamer that took the shot and tried old school Runescape.
• 1:27:08
  Because sure, you can trace one more domino back to mad season
• 1:27:13
  show starting, you know his Runescape journey and then you
• 1:27:16
  know sure you can even go one more domino back and trace it
• 1:27:21
  back to me, inspiring mad season.
• 1:27:23
  Who inspired this guy? But let's be real for a second.
• 1:27:28
  If this guy never tried old school, these interviews would
• 1:27:32
  never be happening. We're talking with goo zoo.
• 1:27:34
  See you soon.