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Car Data Tracks Murdaugh’s Moves, DESTROYS DEFENSE TIMELINE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Hello, everybody, we are live
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Speaker 1: at the courthouse. Injury is just left for a lunch break,
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Speaker 1: so let's pack it in as quickly as we can.
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you everything that has gone on
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom since we spoke yesterday. Number one, Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog's own brother calls police to report suspicious behavior after
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Speaker 1: the roadside shooting as it is euphemistically called, and car
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Speaker 1: data maps out Alex Murdog's every movement in his vehicle
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Speaker 1: the night his wife and his son were gunned down
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Speaker 1: dead on the floor of the dog kennels. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grays, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation. In series M one eleven.
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Speaker 1: What a day in the courtroom. You know, just when
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Speaker 1: you think you can't hear anything else, nothing else can
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Speaker 1: surprise you, then you find out what's happening in the
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog trial. First of all, you learn that the
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Speaker 1: roadside shooting evidence is coming in. What we mean by
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Speaker 1: that is allegations that the double murdered defendant Legal Air
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog agreed with someone cousin Eddie Curtis Edward Smith
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Speaker 1: to shoot him Murdog in the head for a life
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Speaker 1: insurance proceeds. Well, I don't think that was the motive
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Speaker 1: at all. I think the motive for that fake shooting
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Speaker 1: was to make it appear that Maggie and Paul's killer
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Speaker 1: was now after Alex Murdog, so he couldn't possibly be
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Speaker 1: the killer. That's what it's all about in my mind.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear just as as jury
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Speaker 1: heard it today. Take a listen to our cut one
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Speaker 1: and so stood close to this car and he shot me.
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Speaker 1: He missed and hit me in the back of the head. Kay,
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Speaker 1: and Edie was all of being hitting the back of
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Speaker 1: the head. Did that have any physical back? Did I
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Speaker 1: lot some of the engine for a little bit? And
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Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure that not me to the
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Speaker 1: ground or not. But let's just I was disoriented. So
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Speaker 1: you're intense was to have him kill you? Soho he
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Speaker 1: could collect the issue life insurance right, so my son could?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I knew what I was about to lose everything,
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Speaker 1: and I think he's better off that way then, even
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Speaker 1: with me. Oh boo hoo, stop it. I heard some
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Speaker 1: sniveling there at the end. Just save all the tears
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Speaker 1: and all the snot and let's stick to the story.
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Speaker 1: Hey Christine, let me just throw another monkey you mentioned
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Speaker 1: in this thing. Could you pull up the nine one
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Speaker 1: one call where Alex Murdog call some beside the street
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Speaker 1: after he has been shot by an unknown assailant, who
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Speaker 1: he goes on to say, he's a pretty good looking guy.
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Speaker 1: And he calls nine one one to say he's been
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Speaker 1: shot in the head. But his first thing is, he says,
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Speaker 1: is I had a flat okay here, Oh oh, you've
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Speaker 1: got it really already. Now I want you to compare
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Speaker 1: this story. Now that he's caught redheaded. Even his own
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Speaker 1: brother calls detective to say something is way wrong with
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Speaker 1: this story. This is the version he finally tells flat
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. But this is what he
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Speaker 1: told nine one one. Listen, Okay, what's going on? I stop?
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Speaker 1: I got a flat tire stopped. Somebody stopped to help me,
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Speaker 1: and when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, will you shot? Yeah? But oh mean I'm
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Speaker 1: okay you shot where? Where? Will you shot it? Huh?
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Speaker 1: They actually shoot you? They're time to shoot you? They
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Speaker 1: shot me? Okay. He goes on to talk about how
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Speaker 1: he had a flat tire and he was trying to
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Speaker 1: fix the tire and along comes the guy out of
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Speaker 1: nowhere and shoots him in the head. Listen to Alex
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Speaker 1: murdog lie Man, this guy can lie like a rug deal. Carson,
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Speaker 1: you're the high profile defense attorney out of Jacksonville, former
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Speaker 1: FBI agent at Dale Carson Law dot com. What about it?
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Speaker 1: What if you were this defense attorney your clients caught
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Speaker 1: lying flat out, no way around it? Carson. Well, what
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Speaker 1: you try to do is keep that evidence out of
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Speaker 1: the juror's views, and she really stop pretending the jury's
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Speaker 1: already heard it, no wishing, it's not gonna come in.
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Speaker 1: It's in right. So it's devastating because it reflects his
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Speaker 1: lack of candor. But of course, any one who's ever
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Speaker 1: heard a shooting victim make a nine one one call
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Speaker 1: is nothing like this. So from the very outset, of course,
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Speaker 1: he's sush back. You know, I want to go to him,
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Speaker 1: a longtime friend and colleague, and this guy's a real hero.
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Speaker 1: Doctor William Maroney joining me. He's here today to talk
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Speaker 1: about opioid addiction because that is his specialty. But now
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Speaker 1: that you just said that del Carson, doctor At Maroney
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Speaker 1: and doctor Michelle Dupree with us, both pathologists, medical examiners.
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Speaker 1: They got a c CV out the wazoo, doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: come on, you're shot in the head and the first
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Speaker 1: thing you say to nine one one is hey, I
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Speaker 1: had a flat tire. Really well, I think there's a
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Speaker 1: significant lack of dramatic energy and crisis in his voice.
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Speaker 1: If people who are shot immediately going to flight or
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Speaker 1: fight and he just doesn't have it. Now, if he's
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Speaker 1: really a substance use disorder individual, he may be stoned
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Speaker 1: on opiates when he's seeing this. We have to explore
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Speaker 1: that later in the show, but that would be the
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Speaker 1: only explanation. Otherwise there's just not enough crisis in his voice.
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Speaker 1: You know, Maroney, I thought you were going to back
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Speaker 1: me up totally, and there you go, being a medical
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Speaker 1: doctor again, dad, Doctor Michelle Dupree, that what Maroney just
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Speaker 1: said brings to mind a real life moment. I was
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Speaker 1: tromping through a very very congested inner city housing complex
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Speaker 1: and looking for a witness in a triple homicide case.
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Speaker 1: And it was hot and bright outside in Atlanta, and
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Speaker 1: I was looking through a screen door into a dark apartment,
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't really see in there. The first thing
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Speaker 1: I saw was a shotgun barrel about lesson a foot
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Speaker 1: from my face, pointed right at me. I remember that
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Speaker 1: moment that froze a moment. But then my investigator or
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Speaker 1: this was with me and we both he grabbed me.
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Speaker 1: We both went diving off the porch. So that moment
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Speaker 1: that you see a gun pointing at you as something
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Speaker 1: you never forget. So what do you make of him calling, hey,
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Speaker 1: have a flat tire? Nancy? Again, this was such a hoax.
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Speaker 1: Anybody who is, like you said, had a gun pointed
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Speaker 1: at them, or certainly anyone who has actually been shot,
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Speaker 1: regardless of how minor it may be. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's going to act so calm, cool and collected. You know,
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Speaker 1: he should be upset for one thing. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think i'd be talking about my flat tire. I'd be
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Speaker 1: wanting to get some help out there and help right now.
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Speaker 1: I've taken these calls everybody. I would just tell you,
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Speaker 1: and it's clear that if you're shot, you're going to
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Speaker 1: be worrying that you're gonna die, because no one knows
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Speaker 1: what goes Indie, and he didn't know if the guy
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Speaker 1: was going to come back. Well, everybody and their sister
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Speaker 1: knows that this is a big fat light, including Murdoch's
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Speaker 1: own brother who called detectives. So you know the jig
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Speaker 1: is up. Take a listen to our cut four. I
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Speaker 1: told him that things were getting ready to get really
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Speaker 1: bad and that I would be better off not here,
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Speaker 1: and I'm ask him to shoot me. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think at Burkey it was a little surprised, but then
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Speaker 1: he set okay, and what kind of weapon did you
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Speaker 1: get him? Revolt with pistol? What come? Third thirty eight,
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Speaker 1: he followed me in town to where two overwhere I
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Speaker 1: stopped by the Sinoco gas stations. I told him, followed
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Speaker 1: me out and that UHL made a flat tire and
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Speaker 1: he would go past me and turn around and come
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Speaker 1: back and do it. I stopped, um made my tarret claught.
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Speaker 1: I could make a tart fla with a night now
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Speaker 1: joining me. A former homicide detective has had hundreds of
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Speaker 1: homicide investigations. Now the store of the interview room on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Director of the Coal Case Foundation, Chris mcdonna, Chris, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. His credibility is totally shot.
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Speaker 1: Pardon the pun it's over. Because if he can lie
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Speaker 1: like that to the nine one one dispatch and now
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Speaker 1: he's telling a different story about he bargained with Curtis
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Speaker 1: Edward Smith to shoot him in the head, how can
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Speaker 1: the jury believe anything he says or his lawyers? What
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Speaker 1: else will he say to save his own skin? Chris
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Speaker 1: great observation, Nancy, I think the statement of the day
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Speaker 1: is some of the best confessions I ever had come
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Speaker 1: from through defense attorneys. And if you listen to that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call right away, the first thing that
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Speaker 1: sticks out is he says, they shot me. Who's they now,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's him, You know, if his
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Speaker 1: lying started right from the get goal on that call.
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Speaker 1: But we all know when we're hearing more and more
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Speaker 1: evidence come to the plate that it started long before
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Speaker 1: this fake shooting. And you know, Dell Carson, you're intimately
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Speaker 1: familiar with these facts because we've been going over and
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Speaker 1: over them every day, every inch of the way in
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Speaker 1: the development of the evidence. They see. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: catch that until mcdonnod pointed it out. That's why I
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Speaker 1: believe he was still trying to fabricate a phantom killer.
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Speaker 1: The same killer that killed Maggie and Paul now after him. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what he's trying to do. He's trying to
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Speaker 1: create that narrative and support it. I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: he's addicted to opiates or not, but of course that
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Speaker 1: would affect adversely his ability to contain, to maintain a
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Speaker 1: lie in a structure to his lying, which was up
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Speaker 1: the door for all of this investigative activity. And Chris
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Speaker 1: is absolutely right they to he rather obvious from the
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Speaker 1: very beginning. It's like his saying scene when he's talking
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Speaker 1: to the investigators about his dead wife and son, those
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Speaker 1: are not words you would ordinarily use time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace guys. He is saying, quote, I was in
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Speaker 1: a bad, bad way. This guy would do anything for money.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe he's got an altruistic bone in his body.
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Speaker 1: Talking about giving his surviving son Buster the life insurance benefits.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I even believe that, but I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear our cut three or he admits
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Speaker 1: to the arranged shooting. I did not tell anybody the
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Speaker 1: truth until yesterday. Until yesterday afternoon, I've been really, really sick.
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Speaker 1: It's really the first day where I had any go
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Speaker 1: here though? About this? Can I sincerely apologize again for
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Speaker 1: lying to all about everything that I did. Basically, the
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Speaker 1: way I told you what happened is kind of how
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Speaker 1: it happened, except it was arranged by me. Why weren't
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Speaker 1: you mean, why weren't you choos when? When? When this
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Speaker 1: initially happened. I don't have a good reason, bad bad,
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Speaker 1: bad belief. Okay, doctor Moroney, opioid expert, author of America
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Speaker 1: narcn on the Like Zone and heroin fental associated mortality.
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Speaker 1: He's a medical exam or, a toxicologist, a pathologist, and
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Speaker 1: he's been in a hundred courtrooms or more. Doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: just hold just a moment, just a moment. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear everything he just said? I don't have time to
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Speaker 1: dissect it all the blackboard like the English teacher. But listen,
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Speaker 1: I sincerely apologize again for lying to you all about
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Speaker 1: everything I did. I mean, it's lie after lie after lying.
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Speaker 1: Now he was the jury to believe his Cockamami's story,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't have a good reason for lying. I
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Speaker 1: was in a bad, bad way. Hold wait for it,
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Speaker 1: wait for it, doctor Maroney. I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: about his dry habit. In our cut two, Smith is
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Speaker 1: the primary person who I've purchased peals frown for years
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Speaker 1: and some weeks. You would give him how much money
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Speaker 1: for bill? We didn't weeks? Where they would be fifty
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Speaker 1: sixty dollars? How would you pay him? In cash? And
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Speaker 1: mostly in checks, but in some cash too, okay? And
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Speaker 1: on accounts? Would those checks come from divastment? Audy of
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Speaker 1: them would come from the Bank of America account, but
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Speaker 1: there would also be some funds that would come from
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Speaker 1: the Palmetta State account And who's account of us mane um?
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Speaker 1: The Bank of Americans accounts are in my name. And
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Speaker 1: then there's another account there that I created, that's the DBA.
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Speaker 1: That's my name, BBA. Ford. Did you pay Curtis any
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Speaker 1: money for this? You know, sir, you didn't pay him anything.
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Speaker 1: So you just asked of a favor and he did. Yes,
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Speaker 1: kill me. Okay. You know doctor Moroney, and I read
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Speaker 1: you his qualifications. But do you know this man? In
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Speaker 1: addition to help raising his family, has created money for
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Speaker 1: a traveling science lab to help opioid addicted people all
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Speaker 1: across the country. He's the expert. Okay, A fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars a week opioid habit. Everybody on social media says
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Speaker 1: that's not possible. Fifty thousand dollars a week for some pills.
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Speaker 1: Here's the truth. In America, we do have social disparities.
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Speaker 1: But one of those disparities is the drug addiction that
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Speaker 1: you can see in the upper class and people of means,
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Speaker 1: they pay a lot of money to make sure that
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Speaker 1: they don't get fake pills. Ordinarily a thousand dollars a
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Speaker 1: day habit. We can go with that. I can believe that.
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Speaker 1: Thousand and two thousand dollars a day. Yeah, we've seen that.
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Speaker 1: And the average person that has subsidies disorder, that has
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Speaker 1: that kind of habit, they're going to be stealing, they're
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Speaker 1: going to be selling their body that you just don't
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Speaker 1: have that kind of money. But in people of means,
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Speaker 1: he wants to make sure he doesn't get fake fentonel
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Speaker 1: pills to die and he is paying extra money. Now
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Speaker 1: it is ridiculous, but he can pay that because what
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Speaker 1: was described in his habit was oxycodone thirty milligrams, and
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Speaker 1: we don't know how many he's taking. But the average
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Speaker 1: person on the street when they were addicted, when these
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Speaker 1: pills flooded the street. Eighty milligrams cost eighty to one
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars and you paid a dollar a milligram. And
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Speaker 1: I have seen in our addiction setting our clinic people
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Speaker 1: addicted to ten to fifteen pills a day. Let's say
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Speaker 1: twelve is a good average at eighty milligrams, that's nine
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty milligrams a day, and you pay a
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Speaker 1: dollar a milligram to the drug dealer for these pills.
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Speaker 1: Everybody on the street takes what they can get, but
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Speaker 1: when you're a person of means and you can shell
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Speaker 1: out more money, you better make sure that you're not
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Speaker 1: taking fentanyl. And fake fentanyl pills are everywhere. So is
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Speaker 1: he actually getting that forty fifty thousand dollars a week
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Speaker 1: for the actual drugs? No, he's paying for the drugs,
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Speaker 1: and he's paying a ridiculous amount of insurance to make
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Speaker 1: sure he doesn't end up with fake pills. That's the
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Speaker 1: way I interpret this. And the other thing he has
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Speaker 1: to worry about is he taking these and he's destroying
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Speaker 1: his liver. If it's fake stuff, you don't know what's
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Speaker 1: in it. Okay, wait, just let me stop you right there.
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Speaker 1: Just right there, Moroni. I am not concerned today about
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock's liver. I'm concerned about Maggie and Paul shot
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Speaker 1: up on the floor of a dog kennel. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to hear about his liver. But I can tell
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Speaker 1: you this much. If this is some how going to
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Speaker 1: be used with the jury to make them feel sorry
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Speaker 1: for Alex murdog and his fifty thousand dollars a week
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Speaker 1: drug habit, it ain't working. That is not going to work.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, isn't it true Chris mcdonna
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Speaker 1: that when you are looking at a host of potential suspects,
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Speaker 1: if you pick the nut or the drug addict, you're
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Speaker 1: going to find the right one because all of his
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Speaker 1: so called enemies are not going to take a twelve
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Speaker 1: gage and go gun down his wife and son. He
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Speaker 1: is the one thinking out of his mind on opioids.
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Speaker 1: He is the one whose world is crashing down around him.
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Speaker 1: And typically I would feel badly for someone like that
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Speaker 1: and try to help them through their crisis get back
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Speaker 1: on their feet. But he murdered two people, according to
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Speaker 1: the state, and when you're looking at choices of candidates,
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Speaker 1: he stands out Chris mcdonnah. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: if we really think through this, right, if if he
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Speaker 1: does have the means, most of those types of individuals
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Speaker 1: are going to docs you know, who are writing bad scripts, right,
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Speaker 1: and those scripts are multiplied, you know, times one hundred
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Speaker 1: for opioids. They're not going to drug dealers and asking hey,
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Speaker 1: do you take checks, you know, for for my drug addiction?
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Speaker 1: And you know, I've you and I both know and
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Speaker 1: Dale and everybody else on this. Baniel knows that when
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Speaker 1: these things go down like this, if it's a drug hit,
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Speaker 1: you know, type of connection, it's certainly not going to
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Speaker 1: be tied together with checks. And I think that was
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Speaker 1: again another mistake. Guys. I'm hearing in my ears that
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Speaker 1: we are now beer. If Magic char were here, she'd
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Speaker 1: be asking this simple question, where's Alex Murdoch's withdrawal? Where
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Speaker 1: is it? I don't see it at all during the
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Speaker 1: entire course of the investigation up to this point. I
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Speaker 1: don't see him on medications to help him out of
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Speaker 1: a massive withdrawal from that continued use of opioids. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's another big question in my mind as to whether
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Speaker 1: or not he truly was addicted in that strict gent well. Also,
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Speaker 1: we know that he after he arranged a shooting in
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Speaker 1: the head incident, he did go briefly into a savannah.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was hospital and then in Atlanta rehab,
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Speaker 1: very very briefly, and he's come out as fresh as
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Speaker 1: a daisy. I'm hearing in my area. Are now being
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Speaker 1: joined by Anne Anderson, senior investigative reporter WCIV and she's
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Speaker 1: the host of an incredible podcast, Unsaft South Carolina, The
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Speaker 1: Murdoch Murders, Money and Mystery. And I believe one of
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Speaker 1: the last things I heard before the judge announced the
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Speaker 1: lunch break was that Murdoch had arranged for a six
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars line of credit for the farm Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This morning has just been unbelievable testimony coming in from Sled. Basically,
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Speaker 1: we had a SLED agents up on the stand with
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Speaker 1: the prosecution sort of giving this condensed timeline of what happened.
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Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack here because there are new
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Speaker 1: details that were just learning. But the one that you
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Speaker 1: just said, they really came out swinging at the very end,
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Speaker 1: right before the lunch break. They came out to say.
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Speaker 1: There were some very very specific messages that we're going
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Speaker 1: back and forth between Alec Murdoch, his son Paul, as
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Speaker 1: well as Alec Murdoch and Russell Lafitte, where he reached
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Speaker 1: out to his personal banker, Russell Lafitte, who's already gone
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Speaker 1: up on charges of financial fraud and has already been
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Speaker 1: in federal court on this, and he told Russell what
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Speaker 1: was it? Let me look, I think it was like
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Speaker 1: literally two days okay, so four days before before the murderers,
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Speaker 1: he reached out to and staid, I need to extend
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Speaker 1: my farm credit six hundred thousand dollars. My dad will
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Speaker 1: sign how much? How long will it take to turn
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Speaker 1: this around? Is what the text message said, And yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty much what he went out on, along with
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Speaker 1: a couple of pictures of Maggie with her sister and
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Speaker 1: Maggie with the family. That is, of course, we now
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Speaker 1: know that the father of Alec Murdoch, the father that
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Speaker 1: he's talking about that would sign that loan with him
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Speaker 1: for six hundred thousand dollars, passed away and was on
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Speaker 1: his deathbed on June seven. Doctor William Moroney, opioid expert
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Speaker 1: and author of American narcan What do opioids do to you?
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Speaker 1: How was he still able to go into the law
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Speaker 1: office and handle matters and arrange six hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: line of credit increases and carry on a normally. In
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Speaker 1: the beginning, you become tolerant, and once you become tolerant,
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Speaker 1: if you don't get the opioid, you can't function. You
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Speaker 1: are sick. So the euphoria, the what we call the
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Speaker 1: buzz or the getting high, it's really not part of
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Speaker 1: the long term part of his disease. He if his
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Speaker 1: addiction is real, he needs the opioids to function at
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Speaker 1: a normal level because without him, he'll be vomiting, He'll
23:36
Speaker 1: be running into the bathroom, he can't breathe, they'll have
23:39
Speaker 1: panic attacks, He'll be draining from every hole in his
23:42
Speaker 1: body with some kind of fluid, and that is withdrawal.
23:46
Speaker 1: So you need to continue increasing the dose. And it
23:51
Speaker 1: was demonstrated that he was probably on oxycotton thirties. Well,
23:57
Speaker 1: you start on one or two or three, and you
23:59
Speaker 1: end up on two over fifteen and maybe twenty. What
24:03
Speaker 1: you need to understand is, if this is real and
24:07
Speaker 1: it's ongoing, he needed those opioids to function, and once
24:12
Speaker 1: he went to rehab. The top five rehabs in Savannah,
24:17
Speaker 1: three of the five use something called medication assisted treatment.
24:23
Speaker 1: They continue a safe FDA approved opioid called bupin orphine,
24:29
Speaker 1: and that allows you to continue functioning. So he needed
24:34
Speaker 1: higher doses to stay functioning. The euphoria is gone. It's
24:39
Speaker 1: just to keep from getting sick. But what he has
24:43
Speaker 1: and what we don't see happen when people get this tolerances.
24:48
Speaker 1: The clarity of thought still isn't there, because now he
24:52
Speaker 1: has impaired functioning, impaired thinking that the opioid is part
24:57
Speaker 1: of the focus. And if I don't get it, I'm
25:00
Speaker 1: not going to be able to function. So his higher
25:02
Speaker 1: level functions, which could be morals, which could be ethics,
25:06
Speaker 1: which could be time management, higher thinking that begins to suffer.
25:13
Speaker 1: So that's how he gets to such high doses, and
25:16
Speaker 1: that's how that works. He needed it to function. If
25:20
Speaker 1: this is real substance use disorder, he would have driven
25:24
Speaker 1: his tolerance up. I'm just still having a hard time
25:26
Speaker 1: taking in a fifty thousand dollars a week drug addiction
25:31
Speaker 1: on pills. But he's not that smart. Same as fantastical
25:35
Speaker 1: to make what he's not that smart. He overpaid for that,
25:40
Speaker 1: or that's as big a lie as some of the
25:42
Speaker 1: other things. Fifty thousand dollars a week, maybe two, maybe four,
25:47
Speaker 1: maybe three, but not fifty If he did, he's not
25:51
Speaker 1: that smart. Guys, Also today, card data mapping out Alex
25:56
Speaker 1: Murlog's every move in his vehicle the night at Maggie
26:00
Speaker 1: and Paul are murdered, and it seems I hope you're
26:04
Speaker 1: not too surprised to contradict his story, but I want
26:07
Speaker 1: to finish about the rehab. Guys, take a listen now
26:13
Speaker 1: to our cut six. A lot of firewars between lead
26:18
Speaker 1: Attorney Hartpootlian and the agent, Special Agent Ryan Kelly on
26:22
Speaker 1: the stand. Listen, we're having a difficult time here communicating
26:25
Speaker 1: this morning. Did you tell anyone in his family the
26:28
Speaker 1: reason you wanted to see him while he was in
26:29
Speaker 1: rehab was to show him a picture of a truck.
26:32
Speaker 1: The conversations about the picture of the truck we obtained
26:35
Speaker 1: the picture of the truck on and around. Excuse me
26:37
Speaker 1: if you would just answer yes or no, and then
26:39
Speaker 1: you can explain your answer. A senior Special Agent Kelly,
26:43
Speaker 1: we knew the truck that, mister Smith, I didn't ask
26:46
Speaker 1: you what else you knew? I asked you the whips
26:49
Speaker 1: to be a lot of complete as answer, mister al Pool,
26:51
Speaker 1: they didn't talk to me about his medical records. Then
26:53
Speaker 1: you didn't ask them, did you? He and you asked
26:56
Speaker 1: them the testing that was that you ask them, not
27:00
Speaker 1: asked to discuss specific aspects of mister Murdoch's medical condition. Okay,
27:07
Speaker 1: that irritated me. No end for the agent to be
27:11
Speaker 1: spoken to that way, Senior Special Agent Kelly, I mean
27:17
Speaker 1: Ann Emerson. That had to irritate the jury or do
27:22
Speaker 1: I have it, Bess Akwards. I think they're starting to
27:24
Speaker 1: understand Attorney Harputlian's way of handling witnesses. He's got a
27:31
Speaker 1: very gruff. He was barking, like you said. I mean,
27:33
Speaker 1: there was definitely like moments. What he's trying to do
27:36
Speaker 1: is he's setting up that things were not done the
27:40
Speaker 1: way they should have been. This is what they've been
27:43
Speaker 1: using for their whole defense. Now, this is an example
27:45
Speaker 1: of what was going on with this competency. And he
27:48
Speaker 1: even said, and I don't know if y'all caught this,
27:50
Speaker 1: but they literally had to send the jury out at
27:53
Speaker 1: one point during this very heated exchange with Harputlian and
27:57
Speaker 1: Agent Kelly because they he was arguing so emphatically that
28:03
Speaker 1: if this really, if they really wanted to take it there,
28:07
Speaker 1: he would call for a competency hearing to see have
28:10
Speaker 1: one of the doctors brought up from Savannah Memorial Hospital
28:14
Speaker 1: to say whether or not Alec Murdock was in any
28:16
Speaker 1: shape to be talking to anybody about anything. But of
28:20
Speaker 1: course Agent Kelly said, look, we thought he was a victim.
28:23
Speaker 1: We needed to get as much information. Doesn't matter so
28:26
Speaker 1: the jury, that doesn't matter about the evidence they were listening.
28:30
Speaker 1: Competency is a legal issue to be determined by the
28:33
Speaker 1: judge competency at the time. If it had been ruled
28:37
Speaker 1: Alex Murdock was not competent to speak to SLED agents
28:40
Speaker 1: while he was in rehab, that would have been hashed
28:43
Speaker 1: out between the lawyers, not arguing the evidence can't come
28:47
Speaker 1: in in front of the jury. That's completely backwards. Guys,
28:51
Speaker 1: listen to our cut five. We represented on that call
28:55
Speaker 1: that he was in a detox facility before when we
28:58
Speaker 1: called you to set up the call in Atlanta, and
29:01
Speaker 1: he was now and I think we've said on the
29:03
Speaker 1: recording that the doctors indicate he's coherent, he's been through
29:07
Speaker 1: the detox was a pretty tough process, and would he
29:10
Speaker 1: was willing to talk to you once he was competent
29:12
Speaker 1: to do so. Isn't that correct? That's the information you
29:15
Speaker 1: relate to me. Yes, okay. Do you have any reason
29:17
Speaker 1: to doubt that? No? Sooner okay? And so while he
29:22
Speaker 1: as soon as he came out of the initial stages
29:24
Speaker 1: of detox. You don't know this, but we went down.
29:29
Speaker 1: We called you. It's hard pulling. You can't testify. Yeah,
29:34
Speaker 1: Hartpoolian is testifying. It's not really a question. He's saying
29:39
Speaker 1: things that this witness couldn't possibly know about the defense
29:43
Speaker 1: team's movements at the time. And I've done a little
29:47
Speaker 1: research on Hartpoolian by contacting multiple members of multiple state
29:53
Speaker 1: bars that have done business with him. And guess what,
29:57
Speaker 1: they all like him. All the lawyers love heart Pooling
30:00
Speaker 1: and he's like a good old guy. They love to
30:03
Speaker 1: go to a bar fux and throw back a couple
30:05
Speaker 1: of drinks, swap stories. And you know, I've seen that
30:10
Speaker 1: conviviality wanders with a jury. I don't know if that's
30:14
Speaker 1: working in this case. So bottom line to you, doctor Moroney,
30:21
Speaker 1: opioid expert, tell me about rehab, because it seems like
30:27
Speaker 1: Mardi was pretty coherent when he talked to Sled. The
30:31
Speaker 1: amount of detox you doing rehab that really punishes you
30:35
Speaker 1: is probably the first two to three days where we're
30:38
Speaker 1: trying to find the right medicine to see. The big
30:42
Speaker 1: three or four things that happen in detox and rehab
30:47
Speaker 1: is you get hot and cold flashes. Your skin feels
30:52
Speaker 1: like it has snakes and ants crawling on it. We
30:55
Speaker 1: give you clinidine. The second thing is you get huge
31:01
Speaker 1: panic attacks and anxiety. Some places give you hydroxyzine, non narcotic,
31:07
Speaker 1: other places give you audavan or valium. It's schedule four.
31:11
Speaker 1: And then you get the nausea. You want to vomit,
31:14
Speaker 1: you feel like you're on the edge of the flu
31:17
Speaker 1: or you gotta run to the toilet. We give you
31:19
Speaker 1: fenergan chromethazine to reduce the nausea. And one of the
31:26
Speaker 1: final things is insomnia. Your body's hyper. It's driven because
31:31
Speaker 1: while you're on opioids, you're chilled, you're numbed. That's what
31:39
Speaker 1: the opioids do. Even though you're not getting euphoria. There depressants.
31:45
Speaker 1: People to do opioids are very special people. They in addiction,
31:50
Speaker 1: you go one or two ways. You either like uppers
31:52
Speaker 1: or you like downers. And if you're into opioids, the
31:55
Speaker 1: opioids bring you down, so you can't sleep. So when
31:59
Speaker 1: you're in with ROW, you're on over drive. So we
32:03
Speaker 1: you know, we can give you some trazodone, or we
32:05
Speaker 1: can give you some syrac will or maybe a little ambient.
32:09
Speaker 1: Those are the four things. In two or three days,
32:13
Speaker 1: we probably have you back to where you can talk
32:15
Speaker 1: to people. You're not running to the bathroom, you don't
32:19
Speaker 1: have any accidents, you don't vomit your food, you're not
32:22
Speaker 1: having panic attacks. And after that, the medicine keeps you stable.
32:27
Speaker 1: So I've been setting you up all along, Maroni, this
32:31
Speaker 1: is where I'm going. Number one, you've already told me
32:35
Speaker 1: that even on a high amount of opioids an addict,
32:40
Speaker 1: if you're used to it, you built up a tolerance
32:43
Speaker 1: and you can function normally. In other words, go into
32:46
Speaker 1: your law office, have conversations, drive your car. You've just
32:50
Speaker 1: told me that if you're on opioids, you can also
32:54
Speaker 1: become numbed. So my theory, So what you've told me.
33:01
Speaker 1: My conclusion is the night of the murders, he could
33:04
Speaker 1: function properly. He could lay out a plan and carry
33:09
Speaker 1: out the plan and then be numbed to what he
33:12
Speaker 1: was really doing murdering his wife and son. He could
33:16
Speaker 1: have been taking the OxyContin with a beer chaser to
33:21
Speaker 1: get into the mood, to relax, to get there, and
33:24
Speaker 1: that impaired thinking that comes with long term opioid use
33:30
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're slow. It means you may not be
33:33
Speaker 1: functioning higher powers, so morally and ethically, you may not
33:39
Speaker 1: be activating those parts of your brain which lead you
33:43
Speaker 1: to criminal activity. With me and Emerson s investigatory reporter WCIV,
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm very anxious for our listeners and viewers to hear
33:55
Speaker 1: about the car data that mapped out Alex Mardog's movement
33:59
Speaker 1: then of the double murders. Explain what happened, Well, we
34:03
Speaker 1: got a new data at last Friday. They received new
34:07
Speaker 1: data that basically was looking at what GM on Star
34:12
Speaker 1: data didn't have before. Now this data is all I
34:16
Speaker 1: think it was forty eight hundred data points that they
34:18
Speaker 1: didn't have before, and the State was able to crunch
34:22
Speaker 1: those numbers put it on the timeline that they were
34:24
Speaker 1: already working on, and what it did was it solidified
34:27
Speaker 1: some things they didn't know and brought a little bit
34:30
Speaker 1: clarity to us where Alec Murdock was on in his car.
34:35
Speaker 1: One of the very important parts is when he gets
34:38
Speaker 1: to Almeda the night of the murders nine twenty two
34:41
Speaker 1: to forty three. We now know Shelley Smith her assertion
34:46
Speaker 1: that he was there for twenty minutes is right on,
34:49
Speaker 1: because that's how long his car was. We also learned
34:51
Speaker 1: that he parked not in the parking lot of Almita,
34:54
Speaker 1: but he actually parked near the woodline or near the
34:57
Speaker 1: out buildings, just passed that parking lot. They were showing
35:01
Speaker 1: it to us on a map. Another very important data
35:04
Speaker 1: point that we got from GM in this new uh,
35:08
Speaker 1: this new load of information, was that when he got
35:11
Speaker 1: back to Moselle in the car, we know that he
35:16
Speaker 1: arrived at ten O five fifty seven. We know that
35:20
Speaker 1: the nine one one call was at ten O six eleven.
35:23
Speaker 1: That's approximately anywhere you know, what is that fourteen to
35:26
Speaker 1: twenty second twenty seconds us in twenty seconds before that's
35:31
Speaker 1: not enough time for him to go to And that's
35:34
Speaker 1: very and find their bodies. It sounds to me, Del Carson,
35:38
Speaker 1: based on what Ann Emerson just told us, you know,
35:42
Speaker 1: thirty twenty seconds have passed by the time he got
35:45
Speaker 1: back to Moselle and called nine one one. He didn't
35:47
Speaker 1: have time too And I was we were singing that
35:51
Speaker 1: earlier deal, Carson, but we were looking at the opening
35:54
Speaker 1: and the shutting of the car door and what was
35:56
Speaker 1: going on. There didn't seem to be any time for
35:59
Speaker 1: him to go and discover the bodies and come back
36:03
Speaker 1: to the car based on the opening and the closing
36:05
Speaker 1: of the doors so rapidly just before the nine one
36:08
Speaker 1: one call. Remember that, and now what Ann Emerson is
36:11
Speaker 1: explaining interpreting for us what was heard on the stand
36:15
Speaker 1: was that he pulls into Moselle, the hunting lodge, and
36:17
Speaker 1: within just seconds he's calling nine one one. He never
36:20
Speaker 1: got a chance to look at the bodies. Well, the
36:22
Speaker 1: most damaging testimony that's appeared so far is that Maggie's
36:27
Speaker 1: cell phone was traveling forty five miles an hour until
36:32
Speaker 1: the same track that was taken by Alex It was
36:36
Speaker 1: thrown out and stopped moving exactly where they found the phone. Yes,
36:42
Speaker 1: that is damning guys. I want you to hear the
36:45
Speaker 1: way the jury heard it in our cut seven about
36:48
Speaker 1: Murdoch's car leaving Moselle the night of the murders, and
36:52
Speaker 1: what del Carson is describing traveling along with Maggie's cell phone.
36:58
Speaker 1: Listen to the orange that's going to represent approximately where
37:01
Speaker 1: Maggie Murdas phone was located the following day on June eight,
37:05
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, right, and we have a time reference
37:08
Speaker 1: for the suburban at this time we do it's gonna
37:10
Speaker 1: be nine oh eight thirty six seconds at showing a
37:14
Speaker 1: speed of forty two miles an hour. Moving on to
37:16
Speaker 1: the next one, so i'll jury what this is. In
37:19
Speaker 1: the grayish white looking box, you can still see the
37:22
Speaker 1: little circle where it says Maggie Murdas phone location, and
37:25
Speaker 1: right under its where the pin the pinpoint's going to
37:28
Speaker 1: be between nine oh eight thirty six forty two miles
37:31
Speaker 1: an hour. Next live twenty five the upper halfway portion
37:36
Speaker 1: of that box, you're going to see the circle again,
37:39
Speaker 1: orange circle. That's me Maggie Murdas phone. And at nine
37:43
Speaker 1: eight forty two we have the suburban traveling approximately forty
37:47
Speaker 1: five miles an hour after passing that location, as the
37:52
Speaker 1: defendant's vehicle start to accelerate it does you know while back,
37:57
Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, star of the Interview Room on YouTube, we
38:02
Speaker 1: were talking right here on a lunch break, and either
38:07
Speaker 1: you or I said, wow, I wish we had the
38:12
Speaker 1: paying data and the phone data that can match and
38:16
Speaker 1: put their phones together traveling when her phone was discarded
38:22
Speaker 1: and lo and behold it happened. Chris, Yeah, exactly, Nancy
38:27
Speaker 1: Ann and I think collectively we were thinking this, and
38:31
Speaker 1: so again, as an investigative process, it comes down to
38:36
Speaker 1: these minutia details here. These are situations where that GM,
38:41
Speaker 1: that GM data comes back, They put it through the
38:46
Speaker 1: the cast programs. Remember we talked about Gladiator as well,
38:51
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks ago. These are the
38:54
Speaker 1: kind of programs welcome to the twenty first century, where
38:58
Speaker 1: you can try to hide your digital footprint as much
39:01
Speaker 1: as possible. You can even be a trial lawyer like
39:06
Speaker 1: Murdoch was, and then all of a sudden, out of
39:10
Speaker 1: nowhere comes this type of information that says, hey, you
39:15
Speaker 1: forgotten this because you didn't see it. And this is
39:19
Speaker 1: where you know, I think he realized again and his
39:23
Speaker 1: team realized today. You know, this is a real problem.
39:28
Speaker 1: I'm curious if Sled's not going to move now that
39:32
Speaker 1: this stat has just come in to start looking for
39:35
Speaker 1: the weapons in and around that area as well, now
39:39
Speaker 1: that they know his direct path, you would hope that
39:42
Speaker 1: they've already done that. I mean, we used to walk
39:45
Speaker 1: rural roadways this exact map, though, Dale, They've just gotten
39:51
Speaker 1: the evidence in the past couple of days. Remember, all
39:54
Speaker 1: of this evidence as it lines up with the car tracking,
39:58
Speaker 1: has just come in. Hey to doctor Michelle Dupree forensic pathologists,
40:04
Speaker 1: medical examine or former detective and author of Homicide Investigation
40:09
Speaker 1: Field Guide. Even at the level of opioid addiction that
40:13
Speaker 1: he was at, as you heard described by doctor Moroney,
40:18
Speaker 1: could he have been able to aim and fire the
40:22
Speaker 1: way he did? Absolutely, Nancy. I think that a functioning
40:27
Speaker 1: drug addict or alcoholic. I mean, that's what it means.
40:30
Speaker 1: It means that they can still function relatively normally when
40:33
Speaker 1: things like this are going on. I wanted to say
40:35
Speaker 1: something about this car data though It's not only that.
40:38
Speaker 1: Remember that there were seventy three or four erasures on
40:43
Speaker 1: his phone that still showed up, and that's something that
40:46
Speaker 1: we have an investigation we call pertinent negatives. Who is
40:50
Speaker 1: going to take the time to erase seventy four calls
40:53
Speaker 1: or texts from something? What is he trying to hide?
40:56
Speaker 1: And I think that's very talent, as well as all
40:58
Speaker 1: of this other data crime stories with Nancy Grace to you,
41:17
Speaker 1: doctor Moroney. If he was high unopia was to the
41:20
Speaker 1: ten of fifty thousand dollars a week, which I still reject,
41:24
Speaker 1: but let's just go with it. Would he have been
41:27
Speaker 1: able to form the thought pattern to take Maggie's phone
41:31
Speaker 1: and throw it out? Remember he's a trial lawyer, he
41:34
Speaker 1: knows all about evidence, and we've got the phone traveling
41:39
Speaker 1: the same way as his vehicle as suburban. So would
41:43
Speaker 1: he be able to have the coherent thought process to
41:47
Speaker 1: discard her phone? I think it might not have been
41:50
Speaker 1: something that he could pre think about. Level this is
41:53
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. I need to do something
41:56
Speaker 1: because you follow that and then you go, oh my god, no,
41:59
Speaker 1: I didn't do this this Um, there's obviously many things
42:03
Speaker 1: he forgot to do and he tried to catch up on.
42:06
Speaker 1: But eventually the higher level functioning, because he's educated and
42:12
Speaker 1: he's a person of means, keeps him going. The function
42:17
Speaker 1: that's disturbing in substance use disorder, and that we say
42:22
Speaker 1: is the impaired thinking, is the moral and the ethical
42:27
Speaker 1: component that would lead to the criminal behavior. Because that's
42:32
Speaker 1: an excuse, right, that's an excuse why. Yes, that's why
42:38
Speaker 1: they want it. But wouldn't you create that excuse for
42:42
Speaker 1: yourself if you're a defense attorney and you're trying to
42:45
Speaker 1: create the view that he was so out of whack
42:48
Speaker 1: on drugs, and the way you do that is you
42:51
Speaker 1: have him spending fifty thousand dollars a week on drugs.
42:55
Speaker 1: The person who knows why, yes, man, yes, I think
43:03
Speaker 1: Maroni said yes, and answer to that question, guys, I
43:07
Speaker 1: want to hear it one more time, Christine, do you
43:10
Speaker 1: mind playing seven? Now that we've hashed through it, I
43:13
Speaker 1: want to hear it again with a deeper appreciation for
43:16
Speaker 1: the evidentiary value of it. Our cut seven. So the
43:19
Speaker 1: orange dot that's going to represent approximately where Maggie Murdo's
43:23
Speaker 1: phone was located the following day on June eighty twenty one.
43:27
Speaker 1: All right, and we have a time reference for the
43:29
Speaker 1: suburban of this time we do. It's gonna be nine
43:31
Speaker 1: oh eight thirty six seconds at showing a speed of
43:35
Speaker 1: forty two miles an hour. Moving on to the next one. So, Jerry,
43:38
Speaker 1: let this is in the grayish white looking box. You
43:41
Speaker 1: can still see the little circle where it says Maggie
43:43
Speaker 1: Murdos phone location, and right under its where the pin
43:47
Speaker 1: the pinpoint's going to be. It's GOWE nine h eight
43:50
Speaker 1: thirty six forty two miles an hour. Next live twenty
43:52
Speaker 1: five the upper halfway portion of that that box, you're
43:58
Speaker 1: going to see the circle again. Orange cool, that's me,
44:00
Speaker 1: Maggie Murdo's phone. And at ninety two we have the
44:06
Speaker 1: suburban traveling approximately forty five miles an hour after passing
44:11
Speaker 1: that location. As the defendant's vehicles start to accelerate, it
44:15
Speaker 1: does so after he throws the phone out of the car,
44:18
Speaker 1: he speeds up, heading for his alibi. Mozelle to Ann Emerson,
44:24
Speaker 1: what was the jury doing. Was it dawning on them
44:28
Speaker 1: that Maggie's cell phone is leaving Mozelle at the time
44:33
Speaker 1: is leaving the hunting lodge at the same time. He
44:36
Speaker 1: said it to Mozelle. Absolutely, I mean these are connecting
44:40
Speaker 1: the dots. This is exactly what the state. This is
44:42
Speaker 1: where they wanted to rush their case later today. They
44:45
Speaker 1: want to be able to show the jury very clearly
44:48
Speaker 1: and went back to make sure they heard it that
44:50
Speaker 1: truly this is happening, this is how it went down.
44:56
Speaker 1: And when the jury hears this, you can see them
44:59
Speaker 1: leaning and they were all paying wrapped attention. They're trying
45:03
Speaker 1: to understand these these these dots that have to be connected.
45:08
Speaker 1: And once again I have to say, like the jury
45:10
Speaker 1: doesn't get to take notes like I do, you know,
45:12
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting here writing down every single thing. So
45:15
Speaker 1: what the state prosecutor really has to do is stop,
45:19
Speaker 1: take stop whatever's happening with his timeline and say did
45:22
Speaker 1: you hear that? Did you hear what I just said?
45:24
Speaker 1: And that's that's really what he did. He took those
45:27
Speaker 1: major points and he said, did you hear what this
45:30
Speaker 1: agent just told you? Yeah? Yeah, So the dawning that
45:36
Speaker 1: it must have just descended on them that Maggie's phone
45:41
Speaker 1: is traveling along the same route at the same time,
45:45
Speaker 1: at the same speed as Murdog's suburban leaving the hunting
45:51
Speaker 1: lodge at Mozelle for Mom's house at Almida. It's traveling
45:57
Speaker 1: in his suburban. There's only one one conclusion to make,
46:02
Speaker 1: and that's not all. Take a listen to our cut eight.
46:05
Speaker 1: So this is going to be from his drive back
46:07
Speaker 1: from Almita to Moselle Road. The max speed that was
46:11
Speaker 1: obtained during that drive was at nine fifty one forty
46:15
Speaker 1: three seconds was eighty miles an hour. You're traveling as
46:19
Speaker 1: fast as you possibly can and still be reasonably safe.
46:21
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That is correct? And have you had
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Speaker 1: call prior to this road being paved to run code
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Speaker 1: down that road? That's correct? All right? Would you at
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Speaker 1: night or did you ever at night on the roads
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Speaker 1: as they existed at the time of June south of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, running code with your lights on run
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Speaker 1: eighty miles an hour down that road? I would not know.
46:41
Speaker 1: Due to the time of night, the heavy deer population
46:43
Speaker 1: out there as everyone could probably see, I mean, deer
46:46
Speaker 1: will run out all the time. And then also the
46:48
Speaker 1: road conditions the road be you know, was very a
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Speaker 1: lot of potholes. Postal speed limit is fifty five man.
46:54
Speaker 1: You can say that again to Chris McDonough who has
46:57
Speaker 1: traveled those roads and looking at the side of the
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Speaker 1: roadside shooting. The first time I went to the Carlton
47:04
Speaker 1: County Courthouse. I wanted to have supper with my children
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Speaker 1: before I left on a Sunday night, so I left
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Speaker 1: late and I drove through the night to get there.
47:15
Speaker 1: And it was just the way this witness is describing.
47:19
Speaker 1: No street lights, it's a two way. It's really really dark.
47:24
Speaker 1: I know I passed. I had to pass forty deer
47:28
Speaker 1: possums coming out in front of you right as you
47:31
Speaker 1: come up on them. There's it would be very, very
47:34
Speaker 1: difficult to speed under those conditions. Yeah, and it's pitch black, right, Nancy.
47:40
Speaker 1: I mean, and as well as not only do you
47:44
Speaker 1: have the animals coming out, but you you know, if
47:48
Speaker 1: you're running on opioids, you know, let's hypothesize there for
47:53
Speaker 1: a moment. You know, remember that's a depression. And so
47:58
Speaker 1: he's also you know, under the influence, and that could
48:03
Speaker 1: impair his driving, not necessarily his thought process based upon
48:08
Speaker 1: his tolerance level that the doctor's talking about. I mean,
48:12
Speaker 1: you and I have both known and others that there
48:15
Speaker 1: are functioning addicts out there, you know, day to day
48:19
Speaker 1: and have been through many many years. But for him,
48:23
Speaker 1: I think what we've got going on here is the
48:26
Speaker 1: adrenaline of everything going on. He's you know, he's got
48:31
Speaker 1: to get back there, and he's going to go as
48:34
Speaker 1: the defense attorney dead, running code at himself, not the officer,
48:41
Speaker 1: but you know, Murdoch, he's running code himself internally to
48:45
Speaker 1: get back to that house, to get his play back
48:48
Speaker 1: in motion. Well, and his running code is, you know,
48:51
Speaker 1: trying to answer a call. That's what that means. Go ahead, Dale.
48:55
Speaker 1: The iPhones themselves now are capable of showing not only
48:59
Speaker 1: steps but frequency, So at the time of the purported murders,
49:04
Speaker 1: at the actual murders, you can see that he's running
49:09
Speaker 1: seventy steps a minute, which is running. So there's a
49:13
Speaker 1: lot of activity going on at the original site of
49:17
Speaker 1: the shootings that is memorialized in those phones. It's pretty incredible. So, guys,
49:23
Speaker 1: we've got him going eighty mph on those back roads
49:29
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, no street lights, dear possums,
49:33
Speaker 1: animals coming out in front of you. Why why was
49:36
Speaker 1: he in such a hurry to get back to the
49:39
Speaker 1: hunting lodge at Moselle. Then he arrives. Take a listen
49:43
Speaker 1: to our cut nine. This is going to be a
49:45
Speaker 1: time stamp of ten h five oh six pm and
49:48
Speaker 1: this is showing Alex Murdile leaving for the kennels, and
49:52
Speaker 1: then slide fifty two this is showing the suburban arriving
49:57
Speaker 1: at the kennels ten or five fifty seven PM. And
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Speaker 1: to your recollection, during the nine one one call, did
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Speaker 1: the defendant say he was returning back to the residence
50:07
Speaker 1: or during that nine one one call he did all right,
50:09
Speaker 1: And so we're on slot fifty three one. Does this
50:11
Speaker 1: reflect this would be him heading back to the house
50:14
Speaker 1: around ten eleven fifty four. Again highly significant. Ann Emerson
50:20
Speaker 1: WC I V. Explain the significance of those times ten
50:24
Speaker 1: oh five point six, ten oh five point fifty seven
50:29
Speaker 1: and then the ten O six nine one one call. Well,
50:32
Speaker 1: that's right. So what we were able to learn from
50:36
Speaker 1: these new data points is that he arrived at Moselle immediately,
50:40
Speaker 1: Moselle being the main hunting lodge. He went up that
50:43
Speaker 1: main driveway right, he goes to the house, turns straight
50:46
Speaker 1: down into the kennels. He arrives at the kennels at
50:50
Speaker 1: five fifty seven ten O five fifty seven. He makes
50:54
Speaker 1: his call to nine one one at ten O six eleven,
50:58
Speaker 1: which only gives him twenty seconds are so right to
51:02
Speaker 1: check the bodies, because that's what what we understand from
51:06
Speaker 1: him when he was talking to when when he was
51:09
Speaker 1: this is what I'm asking is because that's what that's
51:11
Speaker 1: what he said. He said he checked pulses, that he
51:14
Speaker 1: went to the bodies. How do you do that in
51:16
Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty seconds? That's that's very difficult to understand.
51:20
Speaker 1: For the according to my count, it's not even twenty seconds.
51:23
Speaker 1: Fifty seven to eleven would be fourteen seconds to go
51:30
Speaker 1: in see your wife and your son murdered, and take
51:36
Speaker 1: their pulse and put the phone back on Paul's body,
51:41
Speaker 1: and get the wherewithal to go call nine one one,
51:45
Speaker 1: all of that in fourteen seconds. It would take me
51:47
Speaker 1: fourteen seconds to get out of the car and walk
51:50
Speaker 1: to the kennel at least. And this is a timeline.
51:54
Speaker 1: He's a timeline issue that is going to be hard.
51:56
Speaker 1: He was flat out lying. He was lying. And you
52:03
Speaker 1: know that's the thing about opioid addicts, to you, doctor Moroni,
52:07
Speaker 1: they just lie. Drug addicts lie. They lie to get drugs,
52:12
Speaker 1: they lie to cover up drugs, they lie to keep
52:14
Speaker 1: a normal life going. Everything is a lie. It's impaired
52:19
Speaker 1: thinking because the drugs rewire the brain, and that's gonna
52:22
Speaker 1: be their defense. The truth is, we don't know if
52:26
Speaker 1: he was really addicted. We don't know if he had
52:29
Speaker 1: a substance use disorder problem. He will have to give
52:34
Speaker 1: the source of drugs that he bought. And what dealer
52:38
Speaker 1: is going to put their hand on a bible and say, yep,
52:41
Speaker 1: I sold him everything. Nobody. He doesn't have anybody to
52:45
Speaker 1: back that up. But about a Dell Carson. Curtis Smith
52:48
Speaker 1: is his supplier according to him. And so you just
52:52
Speaker 1: ask Curtis Smith with a deal because he's gonna get charged,
52:57
Speaker 1: and ask him where did you get the drugs that
53:00
Speaker 1: you gave to Alex. That's the clear answer to the problem. Yes,
53:07
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hearing in my ear from my producer
53:11
Speaker 1: when she Kelly and I were driving that road, she says,
53:16
Speaker 1: white knuckles, white knuckles because we were holding on so
53:21
Speaker 1: tight to see and he's going eighty mph, you know,
53:27
Speaker 1: slides in and in fourteen seconds and once he arrives
53:33
Speaker 1: he has correct me if I'm wrong, and he has
53:36
Speaker 1: turned off the car, got in out of the car,
53:38
Speaker 1: walked to the kennels, gone in the kennels, probably saying, hey, guys,
53:43
Speaker 1: where are you? How did he not even go to
53:46
Speaker 1: the kennels. Did he stop by the house first? How
53:49
Speaker 1: did he know they were in the kennels? Go in there,
53:52
Speaker 1: have the shock of seeing their bodies, he said, he
53:57
Speaker 1: took their pulse, tried to turn Paul over, put the
54:02
Speaker 1: phone back on his body, and then go call nine
54:06
Speaker 1: one one, all in fourteen seconds. That's the theory. That
54:11
Speaker 1: is a lie. And well, and not only that, now
54:14
Speaker 1: we also have a problem with who he was calling
54:17
Speaker 1: based on these Verizon records, because of course they put
54:20
Speaker 1: that in the timeline as well. Even though they were
54:22
Speaker 1: deleted off of his phone, some of these calls, the
54:26
Speaker 1: calls end up on the Verizon call records. And we
54:30
Speaker 1: now see that if we tie back that kennel video
54:34
Speaker 1: that last eight forty four PM when the last time
54:37
Speaker 1: we heard, according to all of these witnesses that that's
54:41
Speaker 1: Alex's voice on the kennel video, we now learned today
54:46
Speaker 1: that he had tried to call Rogan multiple times before
54:50
Speaker 1: that first cop arrived. Why, guys, I also want you
54:54
Speaker 1: to hear what was happening in the courtroom just before
54:58
Speaker 1: the lunch break. In our cut twelve. Guy at the
55:02
Speaker 1: bottom of the page, what time is the nine one
55:04
Speaker 1: one call? Ten h six fourteen? How many seconds of
55:08
Speaker 1: that from the time that the suburban arrives at the
55:11
Speaker 1: kennels and he calls nine one one, roughly twenty seconds.
55:14
Speaker 1: You recall the defendants statements to law enforcement shortly after
55:17
Speaker 1: the crime that he went over and checked the bodies
55:21
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing I do, what if anything?
55:23
Speaker 1: And his statements to law enforcement. Did the defendants say
55:25
Speaker 1: about what he did when he arrived at the scene.
55:28
Speaker 1: The defendant stated that he went and checked on Paula Magge,
55:32
Speaker 1: checked the bodies from the moment, yeah, suburban arrived at
55:36
Speaker 1: the kennels. How long did it take for that nine
55:38
Speaker 1: one one calls to be made? That's twenty seconds? You know,
55:43
Speaker 1: all of the first thing discussion. Wouldn't the first thing
55:46
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, to be to flee? You're right up.
55:50
Speaker 1: You see people killed. The first thing you're gonna think
55:53
Speaker 1: is where's the killer? I'd better get out of here.
55:56
Speaker 1: The first thing I think I would rush to my
56:00
Speaker 1: my son's body and my husband's body. I think that
56:04
Speaker 1: would be the first thing I would do. And then
56:07
Speaker 1: it might dawn on me, but all of our discussion,
56:10
Speaker 1: I mean, does it ever dawn on any of you?
56:14
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does as we're talking about time stamps
56:17
Speaker 1: and MPH and the distance traveled and the logistics we
56:23
Speaker 1: are talking about. Maroney, You've got a beautiful son and daughter.
56:28
Speaker 1: This is his son, this is his wife, gunned down
56:32
Speaker 1: on the floor of a dog kennel, and the jury
56:36
Speaker 1: is trying the husband father of the victims. These were
56:42
Speaker 1: real people with lives in front of them, a loving mother,
56:48
Speaker 1: a son, And we're talking about MPH and data and
56:56
Speaker 1: the distance between Moselle and Almita, And somehow I feel
57:01
Speaker 1: that Maggie and Paul are just getting lost in the sauce. Yeah, Nancy,
57:06
Speaker 1: can I say something to that? Sure, Chris, the the
57:11
Speaker 1: you are a thousand percent on target again. I mean,
57:14
Speaker 1: the emotional side of this story for these two victims
57:19
Speaker 1: is getting lost. And if we if we really think
57:24
Speaker 1: even a little bit deeper in relationship to that nine
57:27
Speaker 1: one one call, we can think about why doesn't he
57:32
Speaker 1: run to the bodies, you know, have an emotional breakdown,
57:35
Speaker 1: have an emotional response. You know what? We hear The
57:39
Speaker 1: first thing the officer when they get on scene is
57:42
Speaker 1: about a boat accident, and it's almost as if you
57:47
Speaker 1: know what is going on. Here comes to the sain
57:53
Speaker 1: his head and I want to go back to you, Moroni,
57:58
Speaker 1: because I know your children and your family. These are
58:04
Speaker 1: his this is his family we're talking about. And you
58:07
Speaker 1: know what Chris said, if I could put their pictures
58:10
Speaker 1: up again. When you're addicted to drugs, are you so
58:14
Speaker 1: out of your mind that your family, your child means
58:20
Speaker 1: nothing to you anymore? I'll tell you that the first
58:23
Speaker 1: thing you do when you're really addicted to the oxy
58:27
Speaker 1: cotton with substance us to sort. The first thing you
58:30
Speaker 1: do in the morning, before you see your wife, the kids,
58:34
Speaker 1: you make your coffee. You call your dealer because you
58:39
Speaker 1: don't want to be sick that day. You call your
58:42
Speaker 1: drug source. That's the first thing you do. And I've
58:47
Speaker 1: seen it in pregnant patients struggling with heroin. Instead of
58:53
Speaker 1: doing what the hospital needs them to do, instead of
58:56
Speaker 1: getting in on time, they're chasing cocaine. I guess your
59:02
Speaker 1: answer is yes, rewired, You're you're rewired. You're going for
59:07
Speaker 1: the dealer. You know um as we as I say,
59:11
Speaker 1: your your wife or husband, your son or your daughter,
59:14
Speaker 1: all I can think about is my husband and my
59:17
Speaker 1: son and my daughter, and the thought of finding them
59:21
Speaker 1: that way. It's just very overwhelming, and I don't want
59:26
Speaker 1: to lose sight of what this is all about. And
59:29
Speaker 1: let me remind everyone on our panel that voluntary use
59:33
Speaker 1: of drugs or alcohol is not a defense, no matter
59:38
Speaker 1: how much hartpoot Lean wants this jury to feel sorry
59:42
Speaker 1: for Alex Murdog. We're going back in the courtroom. Goodbye, friend,