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Unraveling the Mystery of Pan Am Flight 103: A Deep Dive · D-constructing Topics

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What's going on everybody and welcome to the Deconstructing Topic Podcast.
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Good day folks, my name is David and I'm your host of this legendary podcast.
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You already know we got another interesting topic podcast. We got an interesting,
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interesting little episode going on here.
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You know, a lot of things that I'm going to talk about with this episode
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in regards to just throwing it out there already pan flight
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103 which it's uh it's
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a sad event where a plane on december
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21st 1988 exploded in midair
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and it was going from frankfurt to new
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york or my understanding and 270 lives of killed and just coming off i was just
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watching on peacock i gotta do the thing with the with the throw what's going
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on what's going on today i'm an exciting day as i'm recording this i got my
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uh no today fighting irish plane tonight.
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Me me woo let's get it so i've been talking all day let's get it but lockaby
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l-o-c-k-e-r-b-i-e scotland so there's a show on peacock called lockaby which
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is mini series is it's basically you know, given the story of the situation,
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what happened, and I want to say that I like to talk about things that I,
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you know, because I was in 1988,
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you know, I was a little peanut, you know what I mean?
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I do recall something that happened with Pan Am.
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For those people of age, remember Pan Am Airlines.
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That, you know, blue logo, white letters, and so on,
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if I'm not mistaken, at one point was the number one
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airplane company or airline company i think
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but then and i think that you know
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if for those of you know are familiar with
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pan am airlines some might argue
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that this event that occurred in 1988 it
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was a bomb and i'm gonna talk about it and it's an interesting story that
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that that it might have kind of
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been the icing on the cake for pan am
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airlines as it was a struggling airlines and my understanding
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is that united and uh delta airlines kind
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of like bought some of the flights or some of the location whatever it is i
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just know pan am doesn't exist anymore but a lot of people in my age might remember
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pan am airlines you know can't remember if i took pan am i took eastern airline
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well i can't say it's aight.
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My family and I when we came from Puerto Rico, but I do remember seeing the
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Pan Am thing going on there.
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Maybe Pan Am was a little bit expensive, but they do have limited flights because
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you don't want to give the world just one airline company, just give them all
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the routes and they'd just be a monopoly.
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You know, you just got to break it up. You know what I mean? It's like a pizza pie.
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You know, you got to break them in slices. Everybody got pizza. You got a pizza.
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You got a slice. You got a slice. And in this case in Pan Am,
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Flying from Frankfurt To New York Again via London my understanding is that
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There was a radio And it's crazy how We're talking about in the late 80s Right.
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And I don't know if airlines Changed
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that I might Do remember going
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a couple of times Puerto Rico in the 90s with a Walkman of
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some sort Now if you look at a Walkman
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independent now for those people that never
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heard of a walkman it's a little port of a radio where you put headphones and
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you listen to it you know hey back then we had something hey
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we didn't have these phones back then we had little our technology was a little
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bit different you know what i'm saying so my thing is this so my understanding
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is that there was a samsonite briefcase samsonite was like i think they still
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exist they made some nice heavy duty luggages or baggages or whatever it is that they do,
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and somebody, for some reason, because...
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You know the flight was going it was going somewhere
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so it already had my understanding
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it already had luggages so somebody put
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in like this radio i mean again it looks
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like in that radio they might have put a little bomb and it's
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exploded and it was a ticking it was a ticking
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time so the person who was charged of
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it was not in that obviously was not in the airplane so it
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was one of those device where you put a timer and it
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just happened to just hit the time where December
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21st I think it was like a little bit late evening
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and then boom so we go back to like I'm trying to start to think if things have
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changed because of 9-11 when it comes to security there's devices that you cannot
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have I mean when you do a carry on there's things that you cannot have there
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especially things that might look like you could put something inside so I don't know if.
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I don't know that prior to 9-11, September 11 attacks that, you know,
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if I cannot say security when it comes to bringing devices, because I do recall having Walkmans.
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I do recall for some reason in the 90s, early 90s.
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Keep in mind, this was like years after this bombing, even though it did not
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happen in the United States.
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It happened in Europe, obviously, Scotland, but
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just I don't know if that changed so i just want to bring that up that it's
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it's so interesting how the event of
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don 11 september 11 which i think it's the
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kind of thing that changed so many things especially the
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airline service or the way we get service or
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the things that we could bring you know sadly looks
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like in 1988 that didn't change the the
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show in itself is it's as based on the father of
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one of the um the victims
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and basically he you
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know i don't know if this was true or not but you know my understanding
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is that this individual i'm actually kind of
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after the fact that this happened he still managed to
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kind of sneak in a radio with a fake bomb going
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from london no i'm sorry not london but going i believe
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it was scotland or london to new york and he
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basically it was saying hey like what's going
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on how can it still be a thing where
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after the fact that somebody was able to sneak this
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little radio i think it was a toshiba radio i'm not gonna say it's it's it's
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little it could it could be like 14 inches or something to that effect and a
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little bit bulky but the fact that it's bulky and you could put something inside
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yeah and this individual if i could uh i can't believe that i forgot uh.
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Let me see as I'm doing a little bit of research going on here.
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So, Jim Swire, which is the father, and it's interesting because the stories
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surround what happened that his daughter lost her life in that bombing.
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I just want to give people a heads up in regards to that. It was not the first
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bombing that took a lot of people.
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My understanding in India, not in India, but in Canada, I think three or four
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years, I think it was a big plane because it was going from Canada,
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I believe, to India, where I think 300 and something lives were taken away.
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I believe that's the biggest catastrophe of airlines of all times when it comes to passengers.
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But Lockerbie's up there. Now, Lockerbie was a big thing because of the following
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situation of what happened. Who done it?
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There's those in the little conspiracy were that believe that it's one of those
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situations where the government and my understanding is that there were people
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in the government in england because.
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You know it looks like this plane have gone from london to frankfurt to new
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york if i'm not mistaken so some people uh how can i say they they got the act
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so they resigned because there was reports and And if you look at the show Lockerbie,
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and even if you put Lockerbie, you know, there's a lot of documentaries because,
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you know, it has some twists and turns because the aftermath was that,
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again, whodunit, right?
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There was a lot of speculations, whether there's the Palestinian Liberation
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Army, this army, this and that.
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You know, there were a lot of where it's the, I believe there was a little bit
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of the Irish Republic, something to that effect.
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But it came down to that the people or the person that was accused Or let's
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say the jail time was a Libyan nationalist.
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And if at that time So in the movie, and I don't want to spoil it But I'm going
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to spoil it, just watch the show Now keep in mind, I just want to give people
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a heads up I'm actually cooking,
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I'm using my air fryer So any moment in time,
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my air fryer might And you might catch it on it's gonna make a beep beep song
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so no pun intended you know what i mean i'm not trying to be on some funny ass
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stuff here but i'm just saying as i'm recording this i'm making a little bit
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of chicken on my air fry you know i love my air fry one of the best things that ever happened
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in a recent time when it comes to technology but if you hear a beep you know
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i'm all right i'll be all right it's just no pun intended it's not part of the show please.
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And I say that because a lot of times we associate a beep sound with a bomb,
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you know, whether that's a thing or not, you know, knock on wood.
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But it's one of those situations that this individual that was caught and convicted,
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his name, you know, I don't even know.
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I hate to butcher his name. Al-Buset Al-Mugari was a person that was convicted
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in connection with the bombing.
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He's a Libyan from the country of Libya.
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Nationalists now the show it centralized
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on the one of the fathers again one
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of the father of one of the victims and
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he went on a like a 10 year i mean he was because
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he wanted answers basically and i understand jim swire hey listen your daughter
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and you kind of start to kind of put pieces like hit him because one of the
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things that he kind of triggered him is that okay so So you're talking to me
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that this plane that was going to go to New York, United States.
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And we are days before December 25th, which is Christmas, and you would think
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that people would flood their airplane and be like, yo, we in New York.
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Listen, I'm in New York City, you feel me? And I'll be more specific.
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This plane was going to head to JFK, New York City. but New
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York City you know it gets flooded with tourists during
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the holiday time during the Christmas time you already know
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we got the New Year's thing it gets flooded so he
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kind of tends to question so you telling me
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that this plane was only
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70 percent occupied you know what I'm saying
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70 percent occupied going to New York City during Christmas
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something ain't going on something ain't right and to
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find out that in that flight there were
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supposed to be some important people as part of the uh how
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could i say england's government and other people
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from germany and united states my understanding i'm not
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sure if any famous or any known person you know with all due respect to the
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the victims here but i'm not sure you know because sometimes when these things
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happen some there's something going on you know what i mean but for him to kind
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of figure that so So you gave a heads up because there was a threat.
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It's not like if this happened randomly, there was a threat that,
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hey, just letting you guys know.
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So the government, especially the England, already had a kind of an idea of
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what was going to happen, sadly.
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So what happens? Hey, you give a heads up to these important people,
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people part of the government, whatever it is. Hey, be careful. There's a threat.
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So what happens? You don't take this plane. So that's kind of like a red flag
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For Jim Swire to kind of say So.
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If you was able To tell those people Because they important That they're so direct.
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Prior to Christmas, then why not double check the back, if at least, at least.
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And I think that's where some people might have said that Pan Am,
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because they were kind of struggling with money.
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And you got to keep in mind that Pan Am, even though they're what an American
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company, they work internationally. I believe they were the number one airline internationally.
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So it's one of those deals where if they were struggling financially,
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they might not have pumped money into security
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you got dogs that could sniff bombs or things to
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that effect so it looks like that could have
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been one of those things why some people might
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kind of allude that this would have been the kind of narrowing the coffin for
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the pan am company so obviously jim swire the father of the victim is raising
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questions so now my thing is this You put my daughter Any kids,
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anybody on board on that plane,
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And you're telling me Well, let them be If it happens, it happens If it don't,
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it don't But if it happens, oops, whatever At least it's not us At least it's
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not the important people,
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So why did it happen, right?
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And obviously there was a lot of Friction or conflict When it comes to the country
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of Libya Located in Africa and the dictator at that time.
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The people who kind of have an idea, let me... Oh, man.
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You know, Muhammad Gaddafi, for those people out there who are familiar with
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Gaddafi, sadly, Colonel Gaddafi had a lot to do with it.
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My understanding is that Gaddafi, and this is interesting, Muammar Gaddafi,
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let's go, who was in office, And he was the leader,
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the president, the dictator, whatever you want to call the general,
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whatever it is, in Libya from 1979 to October of 2011.
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And it's one of those things where, you know, so what happened was that there
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was a lot of pressure on Gaddafi.
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And especially what happened with this situation Because it looks like everybody
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was pointing Based on evidence that these Libyan nationalists Who.
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How can I say Took instruction from the Gaddafi Muammar Gaddafi,
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once again Is that to say, hey, go to there,
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boom So there was a lot of pressure after the fact And my understanding is that
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James Swire Actually met Gaddafi Hey, shit off.
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Kind of in a way of, hey, listen, if you know the truth and if you know that
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there were some of your people, because even at that time, there were people
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that might have said, well, maybe Gaddafi didn't know that these people basically did something.
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Because even though there was one person that was convicted,
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I believe there was a couple of others, if I'm not mistaken.
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But it's one of those things, well, if this happened under your nose,
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under your leadership, people acting fool, bombing planes, then what's going on with your people?
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Like Gaddafi, and you know, Gaddafi probably be like, well, you don't know,
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not me, I didn't know nothing. You know what I mean?
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I did not know nothing, but there's fingers that point out, there's some evidence
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that point out that Gaddafi didn't struck, something's happened.
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So what happened in some weird, crazy way after, what is it,
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10, maybe 15 years after the bombing?
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What happened was Gaddafi was like, you know what?
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My fault. Oops. My understanding is that he paid a billion dollars to the victims
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of the crash or something to that effect. They broke it.
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I didn't see how that payment was done. I believe it was during cash.
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I mean, my understanding Gaddafi, hey, listen, you are the president of a country.
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That means that you got billions somewhere.
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And then sadly eight nine years later Muammar Gaddafi got caught because he
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was charged of that crime but other things as well so that's a whole different
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story but the fact that that happened for a war leader uh,
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Whatever it is that you want to describe Gaddafi, for him to say,
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hey, my fault, my fault, even though you had a lot to do with it,
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my understanding is to come from some money instead of somebody else.
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I don't know if Pan Am, if Pan Am might have to also come from some money,
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my understanding as well.
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So it's one of those things that even though these victims received some type
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of compensation, regardless, that does not change the fact that their loved
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ones died in that airplane bombing.
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And then once again, this happened in 1988. It was a young little peanut.
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But growing up, you hear kind of the story because it was an ongoing investigation.
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For years, it was an ongoing investigation.
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So finally in a sense there was
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some type of peace once the individual was convicted
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he did time but uh he got cancer and i think that they let him be at his house
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and he died of natural causes well he died of cancer basically so you know it's
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a crazy story it's a good show i did enjoy this show there's a lot of things
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again like the gaddafi aspect of it i was not aware of it,
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or if I did hear something,
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I was just not too grasping into the situation.
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And, you know, sometimes it's funny because when things happen in life and these
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things happen, whether it's the airplane bombing or some type of terrorist attack
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or whatever it is, there are those people that tend to kind of question the narrative.
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And James Suarez is one of those, even though some people accuse him of going
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a little bit too extreme, too radical, going out there, you know,
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it's like, come on, you know, we already got the kill, you know, whatever it is, move on.
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And the fact that Jim Swire represents what happens a lot of times, and I'm like that too.
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When something happens, whether it's an airplane crash, whether it's a train,
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when something happens that involves an explosion, you know,
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you don't want to like, oh, okay, it's a bombing.
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Because sometimes it could have been something where it would just naturally
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happen. You know what I mean?
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Gas leaks, something. But I'm one of the mindset that the minute that you tend
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to kind of like, huh, in the case of Jay Suarez, be like, okay,
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something ain't right. You know what?
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Dig deep, find out what's going on. Because sometimes a lot of times,
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just like 9-11, the narrative, yes, airplanes crash into the World Trade Center.
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And then, you know, havoc came afterwards.
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But just the fact that time and time and time and time, even the Pearl Harbor
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attacks on 1941, December 7, 1941.
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Once again, the intelligence community in those respective countries,
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in this case in England, they knew that something was going to happen.
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And if there's someone or a group of people that want
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to know the truth i know that some people be like ah you know look at this conspiracy
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theories come on let it go it was just a gas leak you know the plane exploded
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maybe you know there was always something and we've seen lately plane crash
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if if people are familiar it's interesting because that plane was a boeing 747,
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Meaning it was a big plane And if we have seen some of the plane crash recently,
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Boeing, let's just say Has a tendency to cut corners Cut cars And sacrifice
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people's life For the sake of making Let's say in one flight Making $5,000,
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But putting people's life at risk Because something malfunctioned You know what I mean?
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So my thing is, you know, it's okay to kind of question the narrative. That's fine.
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You know, if you want to go on a tangent, you know, that aliens blew that up.
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You know, hey, you're on your own sometimes.
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But, hey, I'm not one to be like, you know what?
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Again, if your instinct is to question something, dig deep, find out what's going on.
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Again, Jim Swire did some work and some research. And, you know,
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he went on him and the parents.
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He just spearheaded and he was put in as that person to talk.
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But not just him, but the other parents and family members of those victims,
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they had a lot of questions.
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And sadly, people really did not have answers.
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But those are lives not only in the plane, but the people in Scotland,
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Lockerbie, Scotland, where the show, because it exploded.
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So my understanding exploded in the in the air
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and then uh chunks of pieces of the plane started to
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land on the ground and it hit people people were sleeping late in
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the night so and then when it crashed quick crash
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into the field if i'm not mistaken they
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were able to recover most of the part obviously no
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one survived but just the fact that it
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impacted not the people that were
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in the airplane but there were people in lockup b scotland hope
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