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Biblical Justice and Reconciliation with Dr. Eric Redmond & The Unstoppable Gospel with Dr. Joseph Stowell · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Diego across North America and beyond. It's Carl and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined delivering.
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  S1: The truth daily.
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  S3: Lord, we thank you that you are so much greater
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  S3: that there is no force, no person, no power that
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  S3: can stand against you, our great God.
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  S4: Satan has blinded the minds of the unbeliever, but Jesus
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  S4: gives sight to the blind.
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  S3: I came born with revenge, but then I became born again.
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  S3: And I want people to know God's love.
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  S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Well, here we go, man. Day two of Founder's Week,
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  S2: and it's a big deal. I can't wait to get
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  S2: these little snippets of what you may have missed last night,
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  S2: but we are in the middle of it here, guys.
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  S2: Pretty thrilling time here at Moody.
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  S4: Founders Week is one of my favorite weeks. I mean,
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  S4: when I was a student, I remember taking the long
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  S4: walk over to Moody Church when it was still there
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  S4: in the cold and, and listening to these great speakers,
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  S4: these men and women of God who help you take
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  S4: your next step with Jesus. It was a great time.
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  S2: Yeah, it's really, really good stuff. Uh, so we want
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  S2: Love that, which is tremendous. Priscilla Shirer last night was
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  S2: the keynote speaker in the evening. And I think tonight
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  S3: That's right. Yeah. Text the word founders. No, really. Text
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  S3: that word founders. You get the link and all that
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  S3: good stuff of what's going on. The lineup, the schedule,
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  S3: the speakers to get online to watch its founders. Is
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  S3: that word founders to 805, five, five, 78, 98 text
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  S3: the word founders 805 five, five, 78, 98.
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  S2: Pretty cool. Pretty cool stuff. Yeah. So grateful for those
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  S2: of you that are in town. Some of you are probably,
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  S2: if you were in town listening last night, you might
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  S2: be catching some wink right now. You just never know
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  S2: how that goes. But what a joy. What a joy.
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  S2: And there's something about immersion in the Word of God,
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  S2: as mentioned in this yesterday. But there's something about getting
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  S2: away and getting immersed in it.
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  S4: Absolutely.
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  S2: And where you've got more than just one, you know,
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  S2: 30 to 40, 50 minute message on a Sunday, but
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  S2: you're really baking in the truth. It's pretty powerful, 100%.
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  S4: I mean, talking about, you know, how I like to
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  S4: make metaphors and stuff. I think about, you know, take in,
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  S4: you know, when you got like a bottle of ketchup
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  S4: and some people I don't do this, but I've heard
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  S4: some people do this when you're trying to get the
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  S4: rest out, you put a little water in there to
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  S4: get it to come out. What you're doing is you're
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  S4: diluting the ketchup. And I kind of feel like that's
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  S4: how everyday life is a little bit. You've got the
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  S4: word and you've got your.
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  S2: Analogy.
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  S4: Dude, you you've got your word and you got the
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  S4: time and the word, but so much stuff of everyday
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  S4: life kind of dilutes your experience sometimes it's really nice
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  S4: to have some dedicated time where it's just straight this
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  S4: no dilution, no other stuff, kind of fill in the plate.
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  S4: It's all time for the Word of God. Those are
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  S4: important moments.
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  S2: So good, so good. So again, text the word founders. Boy,
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  S2: got a lot of links going out here today. Great. And,
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  S2: uh oh, does anyone have any details when this morning's
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  S2: sessions kick off?
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  S4: They, I believe they kick off at nine. Okay, so
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  S4: central time.
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  S2: Okay, nine, 930, something like that. And we're going to
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  S2: have folks here in the next couple hours that are
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  S2: going to be wandering through here, taking a tour of
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  S2: the studio.
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  S4: Yeah. You're right.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S4: You enjoy it. I mean, usually when we're in here,
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  S4: there's like no one else in here. Are you nervous
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  S4: for that or are you like, no, I'm fine.
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  S2: No. I'm okay. In fact, I think we need some friends, man.
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  S2: We like.
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  S4: Lonely.
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  S3: People. Yes.
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  S2: We're like mushrooms in here, man.
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  S4: Do you remember the the peak days of Covid where
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  S4: no one was going to work except for us? And
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  S4: these halls were empty for months at a time. We
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  S4: wouldn't see anyone else than each other's faces.
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  S2: And it never returned back to normal. No, there used.
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  S4: To be back to normal.
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  S2: Buzzing everywhere. We got a lot of work from homers here. Yeah, absolutely.
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  S2: But it's it's different. But yeah, during Covid fire a
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  S2: cannon off. No one would get scraped around here.
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  S4: You better like each other because it was just us
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  S4: for for for quite a while.
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  S2: Yeah, and since Ali was up late last night, we
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  S2: gave her a little later start this morning because she emceed.
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  S2: But I'll tell you, um.
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  S3: She did fantastic.
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  S2: Yeah. I didn't get to see it.
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  S5: Oh, I watched all of it. Oh, good.
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  S3: Oh, man. You talk about royalty in that audience though, too.
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  S3: I mean, it was it was amazing because they would
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  S3: put the cameras and just professors from the past and
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  S3: just it was just great to see that alumni. It
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  S3: was it was packed and she did fantastic.
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  S2: And the difference with spiritual royalty is that they're, God willing,
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  S2: baked in humility.
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  S3: Yeah. They were. And these are yes they are. These
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  S3: are absolutely people that are baked in humility. And a
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  S3: lot of people that we've had here on the show.
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  S4: Queen Ali approaches.
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  S3: No, it's not what I meant.
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  S4: It's not fair. She's not here.
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  S3: Just and just people and listeners. And you could, you
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  S3: could just tell. And it was just fantastic.
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  S2: Yeah. That's great. Really, really cool stuff. And the the
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  S2: gospel choir.
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  S5: Oh.
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  S3: Kicked it. Oh my goodness. They could have kept going
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  S3: all night. It was great.
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  S2: Yeah, really good stuff. So we are going to just
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  S2: have a big celebration here today. Again get that link.
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  S2: Founders 805 557898.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S2: Yeah. There's something good about giving praise to God, especially
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  S2: early in the morning. Give him praise today. In fact,
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  S2: here's what I want you to do. I want you
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  S2: to right now, boom crew, think about three things that
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  S2: you can give God praise for today. Three things, three
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  S2: things that you can give him praise for. And we're
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  S2: going to do this quick exercise is going to go
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  S2: lickety split, guys. So get them on your heart. Three
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  S2: things we can give God praise for today. Uh, Jonathan,
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  S2: get us going.
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  S4: Yeah. Three things we can praise God for is the
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  S4: fact that we are awake and alive. Yeah. Uh, that
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  S4: we get to experience the beauty of his creation.
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  S2: Okay? And make it a personal one for you.
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  S4: That even through some of the most difficult things of life,
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  S4: we may not always be rescued from it. But he's
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  S4: present with us in it.
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  S2: Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S2: Super. Now you got three.
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  S3: Yeah. I mean, simply just woke up and, uh, have
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  S3: a job, have a car that started that got me
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  S3: here safely, uh, in that respect, uh, provisions all throughout.
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  S3: Just a place to live. There's food in the refrigerator
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  S3: that kind of just very tangible things in that respect. Um,
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  S3: have my salvation. Absolutely. Hands down. That should have been
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  S3: number one and maybe even more personal. Um, just had
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  S3: a family member, uh, recently heard about, uh, got reconnected
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  S3: a prodigal, got reconnected this past week with God, uh,
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  S3: with God and with myself unexpectedly.
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  S6: Wow, wow, wow.
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  S3: So that was highly emotional. But yeah, very much thankful
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  S3: for that.
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  S2: Okay.
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  S3: And you, Carl.
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  S2: Yeah. So I we could all pick dozens, right?
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  S5: Because if you if you keep going.
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  S2: You know, I, I think I'm grateful for. I'm I'm
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  S2: grateful for my bride in a big way. I'm grateful
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  S2: for her. The the longer I've been married to her,
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  S2: the more I have gratitude for her. It's a shame
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  S2: that it takes a long time to figure out how
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  S2: you should be grateful for someone in your life. Um,
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  S2: but yeah, very grateful for my bride of 39 years,
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  S2: by the way. Um, really grateful for the simple things.
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  S2: I am a big believer that sometimes it's the cup
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  S2: of coffee early with God in the morning. In fact,
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  S2: I got a guy at one of our campuses came
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  S2: up to me. His name was Wally. He says, I
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  S2: want to thank you. I said, what's going on, Wally?
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  S2: He said, you helped me realize that I don't. The
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  S2: only place I pray doesn't need to be kneeling down
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  S2: beside my bed. He said, I've done that for most
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  S2: of my life. But he said, when you told me
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  S2: that you get up in the morning and have a
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  S2: cup of coffee and talk with God, he goes, that
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  S2: has brought a whole new dimension to my conversation with God.
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  S2: Isn't that cool?
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  S5: That's very cool.
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  S2: Yeah. And I think I think the third thing is
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  S2: I'm grateful for some folks. Who have stepped to the plate.
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  S2: It's really interesting. This is an odd praise thing here,
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  S2: but I'm going to give it to you because it's
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  S2: on my heart. So I'm going to give it. Um,
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  S2: my assistant, I have a great administrative assistant. She does
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  S2: a tremendous job. She's got quite a story of life change,
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  S2: by the way.
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  S3: She does my buddy Laurie.
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  S5: Yes.
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  S2: Oh my.
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  S5: Goodness.
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  S2: But what I, what I'm grateful for is I felt
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  S2: like a week ago, it was like Satan was trying
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  S2: to pull the unstoppable gospel message out of my heart,
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  S2: and I can't even describe it, except that it felt
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  S2: like there was this through a lot of different means.
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  S2: But like, you know, moving from powerless belief to a
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  S2: true faith that changes everything. I just got done writing
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  S2: this book, and a lot of you got that because
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  S2: you gave to share. And I'm grateful for that. And
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  S2: I want you to read it. By the way, if
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  S2: you read the intro, you'll keep reading. I promise you that.
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  S2: It's one of those kind of openers. But I think, um,
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  S2: I'm grateful because Lori has recruited about 30 prayers that
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  S2: are going to pray for breakthrough around this, because this
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  S2: is one of those messages that is hard to share,
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  S2: that the church could be loaded with people who are
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  S2: lost and think they're saved.
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  S4: It's a really hard one.
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  S2: And how that's crippled discipleship in the church in the West.
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  S2: And she's recruited these prayers. And the response to the
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  S2: prayers already are like all in. So we're going to
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  S2: have a Zoom call with some of them, and then
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  S2: we're going to ask them to pray every day at
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  S2: a specific time. A time of their choosing until the
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  S2: end of the year. And I feel so buttressed by
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  S2: having those people praying. I feel like.
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  S5: Right.
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  S2: We're going to have some breakthrough here. And it's just,
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  S2: it's just absolutely awesome. By the way, quick heads up
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  S2: on that note. November 14th. And we're going to have
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  S2: registration opening up next Monday.
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  S5: Correct.
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  S2: Um, but it's going to be a big day. The
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  S2: Unstoppable Gospel Conference. I'm working in conjunction with Moody Publishers
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  S2: and we're going to it's going to be live and
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  S2: online all around the world. And this is big. The
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  S2: third session, I'm most fired up about seven surprising ways
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  S2: God reaches those you love. Some of your heart aches
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  S2: for people who were raised in church but are far
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  S2: from God And the sad reality. First John, they went
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  S2: out from us because they were not of us. And
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  S2: that's just the reality for a lot of these wayward kids, spouses, uh, relatives, neighbors,
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  S2: people that you were in church with for years that
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  S2: are gone. It could be that there's some derailed disciples,
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  S2: but 99.9% of those folks never were in Christ. And
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  S2: we're going to break down how that happens and what
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  S2: God does to turn that thing around. And as long
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  S2: as they've got breath to breathe, guys, God's not done
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  S2: with them. So just put a pin in it. November 14th,
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  S2: we're going to have details.
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  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
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  S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
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  S2: It's Carl and crew, and we are in the middle
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  S3: founders to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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  S2: Okay. It's uh oh my goodness, looky there. It's 630
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  S2: central time on a Thursday. Thursday.
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  S5: Thursday, Thursday.
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  S2: And we gotta do it.
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  S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
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  S7: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude.
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  S8: That's a metaphor.
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  S7: It's a metaphor. I know it's a metaphor.
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  S1: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
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  S2: All right. What we do is we pitch young Thunder
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  S2: a story, any old story, crazy stories, funny stories, heart
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  S2: wrenching stories. And he turns them into a spiritual metaphor.
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  S2: God willing.
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  S4: God willing.
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  S2: Super daddy gets the privilege today. What's your story? I'm
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  S2: dying to hear. Did the cat survive?
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  S3: The cat survived. Yes.
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  S2: Thank goodness it's not kicking the cat again, right?
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  S3: No. No no. Oh, good. It's not that. And, uh. No. Um.
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  S2: And she didn't kick the cat to begin with. She
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  S2: stumbled over the cat.
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  S4: She tripped.
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  S3: On the.
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  S2: I really injured herself. But she's all healed up now.
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  S2: All right, I digress. Go ahead.
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  S3: And it's not about my car this time. Good. Um, actually,
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  S3: I was at a friend's visiting. She had a bum foot.
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  S3: So anyway, so I told her I'd take the garbage
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  S3: out for her, like in this apartment complex.
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  S2: So now, just a quick thing here. Bah. Bum feet
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  S2: kind of part of the prerequisite. You, you and then
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  S2: your friends is that.
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  S4: They got together on bum.
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  S3: Feet that I did not even think about.
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  S2: That bum feet to be in the super diet.
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  S3: That is too good.
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  S2: Okay, I'm sorry, I digress.
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  S3: So I'm going towards the dumpster, which on the back
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  S3: side of the dumpster is a wooded area. No big deal. Okay.
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  S3: So I'm walking up there, I kind of lift the
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  S3: lid up and I swing the bag over. I turn around,
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  S3: not maybe 5 or 6ft away from me. I turn
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  S3: around and I'm looking right at a coyote.
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  S6: Ooh.
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  S3: I mean, a good sized coyote. I was like, is
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  S3: this coyote or wolf? Well, kind of awesome. Uh oh.
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  S3: I mean, you know what I'm saying? Because it's it's what,
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  S3: 830 at night? It's a little dusk and he, he
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  S3: or she, whatever is right there. I don't know if
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  S3: it's a she. Does she think I'm like doing for
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  S3: her pups. Does she want food? I'm like, what? I'm like, okay,
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  S3: I threw the garbage away. I don't have any food
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  S3: to throw. I'm like, what do I do? And it's
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  S3: just staring at me.
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  S2: Is there foam coming out of the mouth? And we
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  S2: got a rabid coyote here.
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  S3: And I'm going through immediate like, do I clean the lid? No,
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  S3: I can't clean the lid because I threw the lid
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  S3: over the other way. I can't scare it away. I
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  S3: don't want to move too fast. And it kind of
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  S3: starts okay, looking at me even more and I thought, okay,
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  S3: don't make eye contact, but maybe I do make eye contact.
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  S2: Amazing. This thing wasn't just bolting away.
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  S4: Well, yeah, usually they're afraid.
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  S3: I know that was just it. And I'm thinking, what
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  S3: am I dealing with here? And so I take a
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  S3: slow step back. So then it steps towards me. So
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  S3: I'm like, okay, now I'm doing the salsa with this
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  S3: animal because every step I take it takes. And I thought,
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  S3: all I do, I smell like a pizza. Do I,
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  S3: I don't know, do I, I'm not sure. And so
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  S3: I'm thinking, okay. And in this whole process, maybe it
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  S3: was all of 10s, but for me, it was way
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  S3: longer because I've never been like that close with a standoff.
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  S3: Like you said, they usually run off and here I
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  S3: am and there's no one around. And then I could
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  S3: see or whatever. What am I going to do? Like
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  S3: I said, I don't want to bolt. I don't think
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  S3: that was a good idea. I don't want to like stomp,
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  S3: stomp at it. But then all of a sudden someone's
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  S3: car alarm went off. And that was the one thing
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  S3: that triggered the animal when the car alarm went off.
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  S3: And then it did bolt. So then I hurry up
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  S3: and bolt and it got on my car. But all
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  S3: of a sudden as I got into my car, the
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  S3: car alarm went off and no one ever came out.
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  S3: So I don't even know why that car alarm went
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  S3: off either. But that that caused the the animal to
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  S3: bolt because at that point we still would have been
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  S3: probably I still would have been standing still.
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  S2: She might still be there. So so did.
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  S6: This. Did did did this. So it made.
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  S2: But yeah, but you weren't taking in the beauty you
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  S2: were taking in. It's, uh, it's, uh, pearly white teeth.
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  S3: Well, and I didn't know what like, why is it
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  S3: still standing there? It didn't bolt. It didn't run away.
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  S3: It wasn't. And like I said, every time I took
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  S3: a step back, it would come a step forward. Like
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  S3: I said, I felt like we were dancing. I'm like,
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  S3: what's going on here? Especially for a coyote? I mean,
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  S3: I'm used to them in Indiana kind of thing, but
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  S3: never that close. Never that close.
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  S2: Okay, young thunder, make it a metaphor.
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  S4: Okay. Well super die. I mean, obviously you were caught
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  S4: slightly off guard by this coyote. Usually they do something
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  S4: a little different than this one did. And, uh, and
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  S4: you could, you had a couple options. Uh, you know,
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  S4: you could have tried to run and scream at it,
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  S4: but who knows how that would have gone. You could
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  S4: have tried to turn around and sprint as fast as
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  S4: you can to get to your car to get back inside.
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  S4: We we know with this coyote's behavior that might not
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  S4: have gone so well. You got to be clear minded
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  S4: about how you're going to handle this thing, because it
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  S4: could be a dangerous situation. And thankfully, you were clear minded.
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  S4: Peter calls us to be clear minded just the same way.
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  S4: First Peter five eight he says, be alert and of
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  S4: sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a
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  S4: roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
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  S6: Oh, yes.
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  S4: He's not a coyote. He's even more dangerous. He's a lion.
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  S4: And he is watching out for us. Was it last
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  S4: week we were doing at war? Yes, yes. We have
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  S4: to remember we're at war. Sometimes we're. We're just walking
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  S4: around and going about our day.
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  S2: Don't know when the coyote's coming.
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  S4: We don't know when he's coming. We don't know when
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  S4: he's going to be right behind us as we turn around.
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  S4: And we need to be prepared and of sober mind
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  S4: so we can handle those situations rightly. God has given
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  S4: us tools. He's given us himself. He's given us his
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  S4: word to combat. But we need to be ready to
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  S4: get into combat, otherwise we might be caught off guard.
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  S6: Bang!
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  S3: Woo!
• 18:41
  S2: Good job.
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  S3: Right back in.
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  S2: That's a really good that's a great metaphor. It's called
• 18:47
  S2: make it a metaphor with young thunder. And he tore
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  S2: it up here. I thought you were going after. Send
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  S2: you out as sheep among wolves.
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  S4: Well, I mean that too. That could have worked just
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  S4: the same.
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  S6: I was thinking. Yeah, but.
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  S2: I love even more what you said. There. That's dynamite.
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  S4: Yeah, it's. It's real. Man. Sometimes we just get so
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  S4: distracted with the things of life that we forget that
• 19:06
  S4: we are in a constant battle. Yeah. You know, we get.
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  S6: So yeah, we do.
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  S4: Dumbed down to it.
• 19:12
  S6: Yeah.
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  S2: And it's it's as real as real can be. Way
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  S2: to go, my man. Well, coming up here in a moment.
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  S2: I don't know if you've heard the name John Perkins,
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  S2: but John Perkins was one of the greatest theologians. Civil
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  S2: rights leaders, a christocentric man that understood the need for
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  S2: salvation for all of mankind. Not only did he leave
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  S2: a great legacy, we've got a chair here now at
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  S2: Moody Bible Institute. Eric Redman and I sat down. Take
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  S2: a listen to this straight ahead.
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  S2: So you got a title, the John Perkins Professor of
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  S2: Christian Community Development, Biblical Justice, Reconciliation and Interpretation of Scripture.
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  S2: You got a title there, but the operative words in
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  S2: that title are John Perkins with me right now, doctor
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  S2: Eric Redmond, who is now installed as the chair of
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  S2: this incredible seat. My goodness, John Perkins, we got to
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  S2: talk about him. Some people may not know what a
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  S2: great man of God, huh, brother?
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  S9: He was a great man of God, and only recently
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  S9: he went to be with the Lord to receive all
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  S9: of his rewards. But the legacy that he has left
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  S9: in helping people who are often forgotten by society, and sadly,
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  S9: even sometimes by the church, is incredible and left a
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  S9: great model for us to follow.
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  S2: You know, interesting thing about John Perkins. Uh, he didn't
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  S2: gloss over the truth. And he was both involved in
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  S2: civil rights, but he held a strong biblical core conviction
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  S2: that was very unique from my vantage point. And that
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  S2: is that he drew everyone back to the foot of
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  S2: the cross, that although there are injustices, the greatest injustice
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  S2: is that we are at odds with our maker. That
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  S2: was one of the aspects of his legacy, isn't it?
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  S9: It is. I think he understood better than many do,
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  S9: even who teach theology and studied theology all their life,
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  S9: that we cannot be in right relationship with one another
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  S9: if we are not in right relationship with the creator.
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  S9: And that's all over his works. The emphasis on loving
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  S9: God and loving our neighbor. But the second commandment flows
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  S9: out of the first. And John Perkins was so big
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  S9: on understanding that idea. And you can see that by
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  S9: the people that he brought together to do all the
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  S9: works that he did.
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  S2: The injustice that he went through. If you go back
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  S2: to his childhood sharecroppers, and I mean, he was mistreated
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  S2: and racism galore, he would have been one of many
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  S2: who would have had ample cause to point fingers and say,
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  S2: look at what they've done. He didn't ignore the obvious,
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  S2: but man, he was grounded in truth. How important is
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  S2: that balance to not overlook injustice and at the same time,
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  S2: look in the mirror and say, God wants to save
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  S2: me first.
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  S9: I think it's absolutely important. Invaluable. Because you see, all
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  S9: throughout Scripture, God is a merciful and gracious God, slow
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  S9: to anger, abounding in loving kindness. But he will by
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  S9: no means clear the guilty. And so sin cannot be overlooked.
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  S9: Even in human relationships. The emphasis on forgiveness and taking
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  S9: care of offense runs all throughout the Scripture. Doctor Perkins
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  S9: understood that. Understood. I need to be in a right
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  S9: relationship with my creator. He has forgiven me. I need
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  S9: to be one who is. Who forgives as God has
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  S9: forgiven me, but also need to say, and there's a
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  S9: just God we're all going to face. So we need
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  S9: to do things justly.
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  S2: Yeah. Love it. What do you think, doctor Redmond, my
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  S2: guest right now, what's one of the biggest aspects of
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  S2: his story that stands out for you personally?
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  S9: For him to relocate one of his three R's that
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  S9: he has in there, uh, redistribution, reconciliation and relocate to say,
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  S9: I'm going to relocate into the communities that I'm trying
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  S9: to reach. And to move into even some of the
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  S9: poorest communities and say, we're going to trust the Lord
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  S9: to figure out how this works so that we can
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  S9: serve people here and help make their lives better through
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  S9: the gospel is incredible. Most of us think, okay, if
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  S9: we get a missionary calling, we're going to go somewhere.
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  S9: We get called to a pastor, we're going to go somewhere.
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  S9: But we don't think no part of the way of
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  S9: reaching people is to move into their neighborhoods, plant ourselves there,
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  S9: experience the troubles and the struggles that they're experiencing their lives,
• 23:55
  S9: and have them welcome us as one of them. And
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  S9: then we can more effectively proclaim the gospel and utilize
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  S9: it to help uplift people.
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  S2: Yeah. March 13th. He went on to his reward at
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  S2: his home in Jackson, Mississippi, surrounded by family. That says
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  S2: a lot right there, doesn't it?
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  S9: It does. They all believed in his vision. I recently
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  S9: met two of his three daughters, and you can see
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  S9: them carrying on the legacy. They totally believed in their
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  S9: father's work and the work that he had done around
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  S9: the country and all the connections that he had. You
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  S9: could see I was with many of the people that
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  S9: he had greatly influenced, and you could see that they
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  S9: had bought what their dad had done because he was
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  S9: authentic in what he did. And you could see the
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  S9: power of the Holy Spirit and the working of the
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  S9: gospel all over the things he did.
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  S2: I want you to talk to me, and I want
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  S2: you to tell me, Eric. I'm a white man. All
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  S2: my heritage comes from Sweden. You're a black man. Your
• 25:00
  S2: heritage comes from, distantly, Africa. Okay? There are still injustices today.
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  S2: They happen. There's no doubt about it. There is prejudice today. Sadly,
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  S2: it's cropping up against Jews more predominantly than any other
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  S2: group of people in in America. What do I need
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  S2: to know that a lot of people like me don't know?
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  S9: What are the things that would be good for those
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  S9: who are outside of some sort of anti-Semitic or racial
• 25:34
  S9: or ethnic, maybe persecution or injustice? Is that the efforts
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  S9: to bring about justice and to be compassionate toward those
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  S9: who are experiencing injustice is something that's going to require
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  S9: a lot of endurance. It's going to be a long
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  S9: road of obedience, meaning a lot of people get fatigued
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  S9: in the work of reconciliation, and then those who are
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  S9: on the end of injustice feel like people have dropped
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  S9: out and left them. Whereas we who are experiencing it
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  S9: don't get to drop out because we can't leave our
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  S9: ethnic backgrounds, we can't leave the color of our skins,
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  S9: we can't leave the communities that we're in. And so
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  S9: if you're going to be part of that work, what
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  S9: looks like, oh my goodness, are we bringing that up
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  S9: again to the people who are experiencing like, what do
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  S9: you mean? Are you bringing that up again? We live
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  S9: this every day. And so you're going to have to say, hey,
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  S9: if I'm going to be in this work, it's going
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  S9: to look fatiguing here, but I cannot give up. I
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  S9: need to lovingly endure for the sake of those that
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  S9: I am trying to walk alongside of.
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  S2: Perseverance is everything, isn't it?
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  S9: In ministry. It is. And in a Christian life it is.
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  S9: We must endure. We must endure hardship. We must endure suffering.
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  S9: We have to endure mistreatment also and still love our enemies.
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  S9: Pray for those that abuse us all as our Lord
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  S9: taught us.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S2: Love that. So you are the new chair of the.
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  S2: I'm going to give this title again, the John Perkins
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  S2: Professor of Christian Community Development, Biblical Justice, reconciliation and Interpretation
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  S2: of Scripture. What is this track going to look like
• 27:09
  S2: at MBI?
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  S9: So it looks like a couple of things in our
• 27:12
  S9: Doctor of Ministry program at Moody Theological Seminary, which I
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  S9: invite people to consider. We have a track in Christian
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  S9: community development to help further develop those leaders who are
• 27:23
  S9: doing the work in Christian community development, in community development,
• 27:27
  S9: to strengthen what they do to serve more people, to
• 27:31
  S9: help their ministries do more in development in their nonprofit work,
• 27:36
  S9: to see how they can be even more compassionate and
• 27:39
  S9: be more faithful, gain more partners. That's one, one part.
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  S9: And then the other part that I have in the
• 27:45
  S9: chair is to represent Moody, to write scholarship on behalf
• 27:50
  S9: of Moody, and to publish in these areas, in Christian
• 27:55
  S9: community development, in reconciliation, in biblical justice. And what I
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  S9: was already doing in the interpretation of Scripture, so that
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  S9: there can also be a scholarly aspect of this. If
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  S9: I could just say people in Christian community development are doers.
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  S9: They're out there living on the streets with people. They
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  S9: are getting their hands dirty all the time. They're not
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  S9: stopping to write scholarship, but it would be good if
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  S9: they had people who are writing in the area of
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  S9: scholarship supporting their works, pointing other people to their work
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  S9: they do, and saying, you can see this all throughout Scripture.
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  S2: When we think about we've had this discussion before about
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  S2: the regenerate man or woman versus just doing a lot
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  S2: of good, but I mean, doing it in the name
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  S2: of Jesus, meaning we have been transformed by the grace
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  S2: of God. My suspicion is that a lot of stuff
• 28:50
  S2: gets done, uh, to appease a conscience, whatever. But the
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  S2: good stuff that gets done is so incarnational. Christ on
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  S2: the move through people. How have you seen that difference?
• 29:05
  S2: And how are you going to lead this chair toward
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  S2: the latter, not the former.
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  S9: I think one of the things that we cannot leave
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  S9: out is understanding how much embodiment was important to who
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  S9: Jesus is. When the scriptures talk about him being hung
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  S9: on a tree is emphasizing that God came in the
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  S9: flesh so that his body could be abused and his
• 29:26
  S9: body could suffer the wrath of God. Do the work
• 29:29
  S9: of salvation in a body. When we understand that aspect
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  S9: and don't lose that aspect, then we understand how significant
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  S9: embodiment is to accomplishing the works of of salvation. A
• 29:42
  S9: way to see this is by looking at what has
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  S9: happened with the church. After Covid, people like to sit
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  S9: behind screens and not go and physically be part of churches.
• 29:52
  S9: But I say it's easy to sit behind a screen,
• 29:55
  S9: but embodiment requires us to go and see people we
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  S9: might need to forgive, or we might need to make
• 29:59
  S9: up offenses with them. We need to be able to
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  S9: touch people or hurting and lay hands on on them.
• 30:04
  S9: We might have to knock on somebody's door to bring
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  S9: them a meal. We can't just be distanced. Our embodiment
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  S9: is important. And so getting in with people who are
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  S9: hurting or experiencing injustices requires that our bodies and our
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  S9: present be involved.
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  S10: Yeah, I love it.
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  S2: I got to tell you something. Boom crew. If you
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  S2: want to know more about this aspect of MBI and
• 30:27
  S2: all that, not only Doctor Eric Redmond is doing, but
• 30:31
  S2: how you might even be plugged in. I just want
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  S2: you to text the word center center to 805 5578981
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S11: Lord, we thank you that you are so much greater
• 31:06
  S11: that there's no force, no person, no power that can
• 31:09
  S11: stand against you, our great God.
• 31:11
  S4: Satan has blinded the minds of the unbeliever, but Jesus
• 31:15
  S4: gives sight to the blind.
• 31:18
  S3: I came born with revenge, but then I became born again.
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  S3: And I want people to know God's love.
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  S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Karl
• 31:28
  S1: and crew.
• 31:29
  S2: You know, we undersell the new birth miracle and what's
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  S2: happening in the heavenly realms. We really do. When someone
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  S2: is regenerated by the power of God, the lost are found.
• 31:43
  S2: There is a celebration.
• 31:45
  S4: There is no doubt about that.
• 31:47
  S2: And I love this is a short little story that
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  S2: Jesus tells. It's very brief, but it's very powerful. And
• 31:57
  S2: he goes, he's talking about lost people and how much
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  S2: they matter to him and his heart, and not just his,
• 32:05
  S2: but the angelic realm. So this story, as he says,
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  S2: or what woman having ten silver coins. And I love
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  S2: this because this woman is obviously alone, right? I mean,
• 32:16
  S2: there is no dude around here. So what woman who
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  S2: has ten silver coins if she loses one coin, does
• 32:24
  S2: not light a lamp. Obviously. My goodness. Let's go find
• 32:28
  S2: this thing. Right. Light a lamp and sweep the house
• 32:32
  S2: and seek diligently until she finds it. And when she
• 32:37
  S2: has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying,
• 32:43
  S2: rejoice for me. I have found the coin that I
• 32:46
  S2: had lost. And then Jesus says this. Just so I
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  S2: tell you, there is joy before the angels of God
• 32:57
  S2: over one sinner who repents. One. One.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S4: That's how important it is.
• 33:05
  S2: That's how important it is.
• 33:07
  S6: It's a big deal.
• 33:09
  S2: So don't sleep on your salvation. I mean, if there
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  S2: was a party in heaven when you were regenerated, if
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  S2: you were. And some of you may wonder if you were.
• 33:23
  S2: And in the next not this half hour, but at
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  S2: the bottom of the hour, I'm going to break open
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  S2: the following text of one son, another story, who is
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  S2: a victim of his passion and one son of a
• 33:37
  S2: victim of his pride. One's trying to find life in
• 33:41
  S2: the stuff he can get. One's trying to find life
• 33:44
  S2: in the stuff he can do. Both of them are lost.
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  S2: Did they know their father? Know of him? Yes. Did
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  S2: they know him? At the level in which Jesus is
• 33:57
  S2: driving home in this story? No. Did he want them
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  S2: to know him?
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  S4: Absolutely.
• 34:04
  S2: Absolutely. Is it possible to have a hallucination of salvation?
• 34:10
  S2: You see something in yourself that isn't there? Oh, it's
• 34:14
  S2: an epidemic. But just let this sit here today. God
• 34:19
  S2: threw a party and the angels celebrated. When one person.
• 34:28
  S2: When you surrendered, all you were to Jesus Christ, there
• 34:32
  S2: was a celebration. Wow. That's not theory. That's what Jesus
• 34:41
  S2: said is happening. The angelic realm is celebrating. So don't
• 34:47
  S2: sit on your salvation. Walk forward in it today. You're
• 34:53
  S2: a disciple of Christ. Make every intention of your heart
• 35:00
  S2: to follow him with your whole heart. Give it all
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  S2: to him in a fresh way today. Every bit of you.
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  S2: And watch what God can do.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: You know, I.
• 35:11
  S2: Gotta tell you guys that, uh, makes me think of
• 35:14
  S2: something that we discussed. Did we discuss this yesterday? I
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  S2: think it was yesterday. Maybe the day before. You look
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  S2: at a lot of the hymns like A Mighty Fortress
• 35:22
  S2: is Our God, right?
• 35:24
  S6: Yes.
• 35:24
  S2: And that's powerful hymn. My goodness. Luther wrote that. And
• 35:31
  S2: then you got the Wesley Brothers. They wrote so many
• 35:34
  S2: songs that were so powerfully used of God. William Booth,
• 35:37
  S2: Salvation Army. And there's, there's a I, I repeated an
• 35:42
  S2: urban myth for quite a while here with Carl and
• 35:46
  S2: crew way back in the day. And it's an urban
• 35:50
  S2: myth that is not true, that a lot of the
• 35:54
  S2: hymns were converted pub songs. There's no evidence that any
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  S2: hymns are converted pub songs.
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  S6: Oh.
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  S3: Oh, okay.
• 36:03
  S2: So that's an urban myth that's kind of floated around.
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  S2: If you haven't heard it, you've been protected from it.
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  S2: So there you go. But here is the truth. This
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  S2: is even more relevant.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S2: A Mighty Fortress is Our God was written in the tune,
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  S2: the tempo, the tenor of music of that day.
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  S4: Yes, that makes sense.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S2: Makes the Wesley Brothers did the same thing. William Booth
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  S2: was even more so. He looked at the music of
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  S2: the day that was in dance halls and different festivals,
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  S2: and he wrote music that reflected the contemporary ness of
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  S2: the day. Isn't that fascinating?
• 36:45
  S4: That is really.
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  S6: Fascinating. Interesting.
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  S2: So the question is, what would Luther and Wesley and
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  S2: Booth do if they were here now, they would take
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  S2: the They can. No, I'm serious guys.
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  S6: I'm like.
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  S3: Wow. Yeah.
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  S2: They would they. I don't think they would look at
• 37:01
  S2: LED Zeppelin, thank the Lord. But they would have looked at, uh,
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  S2: you know, they would have looked at mainstream music the
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  S2: way it was being heard.
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  S4: In that day.
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  S2: In that day.
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  S4: So like pop artists.
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  S2: They would have looked at guys like REO Speedwagon back
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  S2: in the 70s. 80s.
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  S6: Yeah.
• 37:21
  S2: Who would have they looked at today? I don't even
• 37:23
  S2: know who the big boys are right now.
• 37:24
  S3: I'm just thinking so much is on TikTok. Like Frank
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  S3: Forrest is so much on TikTok.
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  S6: Well, for his.
• 37:28
  S2: See, Forrest Frank is doing you know, he's probably some
• 37:34
  S2: of his music is very much reflective.
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  S6: Of.
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  S2: The culture.
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  S4: 100%.
• 37:39
  S2: And here's what's amazing. Lutheran. These guys would have been
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  S2: all in on Forrest Frank.
• 37:45
  S4: Because they were doing the same thing.
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  S6: Yes.
• 37:48
  S4: And how many, you know, do you think they got
• 37:50
  S4: a lot of pushback on that back in the day?
• 37:52
  S6: You know.
• 37:53
  S4: It. Hey, this sounds too much like the culture, right?
• 37:55
  S2: Of course, they would have gotten that.
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  S6: Yeah.
• 37:57
  S2: Isn't that fascinating?
• 37:58
  S6: It is very interesting.
• 38:00
  S2: So when we say we want hymns, I'm all for that.
• 38:02
  S2: I love old hymns. But we've got to remember that
• 38:05
  S2: they were written for the express purpose of relating to
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  S2: the people of the day.
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  S6: Yes.
• 38:10
  S2: So don't browbeat contemporary Christian music.
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  S6: Right.
• 38:15
  S2: Because that's what Booth, Wesley Brothers, and Luther himself would
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  S2: have written.
• 38:20
  S4: Right. They didn't. It's not like they found some style
• 38:23
  S4: of music that's never been touched or done before. They
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  S4: were they were trying to reach people in their age.
• 38:29
  S2: Now they were theologically meaty, 100%.
• 38:32
  S4: There is yes, there is a difference sometimes with that.
• 38:35
  S4: But there's also a lot of contemporary Christian music we
• 38:38
  S4: listen to here all the time. That has some really
• 38:41
  S4: great stuff in it. Yeah. And so it can be good.
• 38:44
  S2: Yeah, it can be really good. So just a note
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  S2: to make you.
• 38:48
  S6: Bring that up.
• 38:48
  S2: Ah.
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  S6: Yeah.
• 38:50
  S3: Curious.
• 38:51
  S2: I was sermon prepping for a message out of First
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  S2: Kings and. I was just exploring the power of music
• 39:05
  S2: and I thought, I've got to check this out.
• 39:08
  S4: Curiosity got you.
• 39:09
  S2: Yeah. And then I'm like, uh oh, I've repeated something
• 39:12
  S2: that isn't true. So they were not pub tunes. They
• 39:16
  S2: didn't take a pub tune and rewrite it. Sure. But
• 39:19
  S2: they took pub tunes.
• 39:22
  S4: Like the style of music.
• 39:23
  S2: The style.
• 39:23
  S6: Of music culture.
• 39:25
  S2: The lilt of the voice, the cultural things that they
• 39:28
  S2: were talking about. And they would have taken that style
• 39:31
  S2: of music and put words to it like a mighty
• 39:35
  S2: fortress is our God. Yeah, which is fascinating.
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  S4: I love.
• 39:38
  S2: That. Now, you might say, well, I prefer that style
• 39:40
  S2: of music. That's fine.
• 39:42
  S6: Yeah.
• 39:42
  S2: But if Luther Booth and the Wesley Brothers are here now,
• 39:47
  S2: they'd be writing ride alongs. They'd be cheering for forest Frank.
• 39:50
  S3: Oh, yeah. Writing a drum section solo? Absolutely. I mean,
• 39:53
  S3: they would, because it is what it is.
• 39:55
  S2: That's hilarious to think about. Open guitar, electric riffs in
• 40:00
  S2: the middle of a song.
• 40:01
  S3: There you go. Chris Tomlin right. There you go.
• 40:03
  S6: Yeah.
• 40:05
  S2: So just a little something to think about. Well, we
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  S2: are in conference season big time and put a pin
• 40:11
  S2: in it. November 14th. The Unstoppable Gospel Conference. I'm going
• 40:15
  S2: to be hosting this in Rolling Meadows, but we are
• 40:18
  S2: going to broadcast live. And some of you have had
• 40:21
  S2: just a. A heart sickness about what's happening in the church.
• 40:28
  S2: There's been so many that have left that seem to
• 40:31
  S2: have been in Christ. So I'm going to explore four
• 40:35
  S2: different sessions. The lie that fills our churches with lost
• 40:38
  S2: people because they're in our churches today, let alone outside,
• 40:42
  S2: and have walked away. Also, the truth that makes dead
• 40:46
  S2: people come alive. Session three is going to be seven
• 40:49
  S2: surprising ways God saves those you love. I can't wait
• 40:52
  S2: for that session. I'm already chomping at the bit. And
• 40:55
  S2: then the final one is going to be living in
• 40:57
  S2: the power that changes everything. We're going to explore some
• 41:00
  S2: of the unseen disciplines that are going to unlock things
• 41:03
  S2: for you big time. Put a pin in it. That's
• 41:05
  S2: going to be November 14th. We're going to start registering
• 41:08
  S2: next Monday. So November 14th, just think about that Saturday morning.
• 41:14
  S2: Just taking that put a pin in it. I hope
• 41:17
  S2: you're there. It's going to be an incredible time.
• 41:20
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 41:24
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 41:28
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 41:30
  S12: I can't get past this. In fact, we got Doctor
• 41:32
  S12: Joe Stoll with us here. Can't get past this. First
• 41:35
  S12: son came back and the spiritual condition of his heart was,
• 41:39
  S12: I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am
• 41:43
  S12: not even fit to be a slave. Will you take
• 41:45
  S12: me on? It's that heart posture that ushers in salvation. Right, Joe?
• 41:49
  S13: Yeah, no doubt about it. We don't come and show
• 41:52
  S13: God all our trophies. Hey, check it out. You know,
• 41:54
  S13: you could have me in heaven, too. Because it's the
• 41:57
  S13: penitent sinner. The realization of the reality that we're all
• 42:03
  S13: fallen and we're all broken. Yeah. We live in a
• 42:06
  S13: regular offense against the Almighty God. Thankfully, he paid the
• 42:11
  S13: price for us on Calvary.
• 42:12
  S12: A man so grateful.
• 42:15
  S11: We've got Joe stole. Doctor stole is a distinguished career
• 42:18
  S11: in higher education, church leadership. He's an internationally recognized conference speaker.
• 42:23
  S11: And oh, by the way, former president of Moody Bible Institute.
• 42:27
  S6: What number were you? That's the nine.
• 42:29
  S13: Seven. Seven seven. Yeah. The number of perfection.
• 42:36
  S12: Well, we can't all hit that mark.
• 42:37
  S6: Yeah, I.
• 42:38
  S13: Know. Actually, don't ask anybody. From when I was here,
• 42:41
  S13: they would doubt that very much.
• 42:42
  S2: So it's it's great. So let's speak on that here
• 42:45
  S2: for a moment. You're going to be speaking this morning humility.
• 42:51
  S2: Let's go after humility. That's a powerful place to land,
• 42:54
  S2: isn't it?
• 42:55
  S13: It's a very important place to land. I mean, if
• 42:58
  S13: we would like to be like Christ, we have to
• 43:00
  S13: be humble. Philippians two. Right? Yeah. Who humbled himself? By
• 43:04
  S13: the way? Humility is a choice.
• 43:06
  S6: It is.
• 43:07
  S2: A choice. It's not a spiritual gift.
• 43:09
  S13: I get. I get worried about people that say, please
• 43:11
  S13: pray for me, that I will be humbled, which means
• 43:15
  S13: I'm a really proud person, right? You know.
• 43:17
  S2: Got me answer that prayer.
• 43:19
  S13: Yeah. But Jesus purposely, intentionally chose to humble himself, King
• 43:25
  S13: of glory, and become a servant for us. And I think,
• 43:28
  S13: you know, when people pat you on the back and
• 43:31
  S13: cheer you for good things, all by the grace of God,
• 43:33
  S13: of course I always have to remember I'd be nothing
• 43:36
  S13: if God hadn't given me the gifts he gave me
• 43:39
  S13: the home I grew up in, the education he let
• 43:41
  S13: me have, All that I have is from him. Yes.
• 43:45
  S13: And I think that's the key to humility. And also
• 43:47
  S13: the Bible says obedience is the key to humility. You know,
• 43:51
  S13: when I bow before him and obey him is a
• 43:55
  S13: sign of biblical humility.
• 43:57
  S2: It's a beautiful thing.
• 43:58
  S11: Doctor Jo Stoll is going to be speaking this morning.
• 44:01
  S11: Founders week a great kick off last night. I know
• 44:04
  S11: you've been through a number of these in your years
• 44:07
  S11: connected to Moody.
• 44:08
  S13: Yeah, I was just sitting there thinking all those memories
• 44:10
  S13: back of Founders Week and how wonderful they were and
• 44:14
  S13: how God used them in a great way. And to
• 44:15
  S13: think they keep going, right? Absolutely. You know, we're talking
• 44:18
  S13: about the unstoppable gospel. This is the unstoppable Stoppable Founders
• 44:23
  S13: Week programs that we have. Yeah. So and last night
• 44:26
  S13: was wonderful. Priscilla was she's Tony Evans daughter. Mhm. She
• 44:31
  S13: was so used of the Lord last night and I
• 44:34
  S13: could hear her dad in her. When I hear when
• 44:36
  S13: I heard Tony preach. So she's a chip off the
• 44:40
  S13: old block.
• 44:40
  S6: Yeah.
• 44:41
  S2: It's wonderful. By the way, so many links have gone
• 44:43
  S2: out today we go live. 9:30 a.m. central. Joe Stoll
• 44:48
  S2: again is going to be dishing it up this morning.
• 44:50
  S2: And coming up in a moment. We're going to try
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  S2: to get some inside scoop on what God's got on
• 44:55
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  S2: Boy, we got celebration all around here today.
• 45:11
  S11: We do. And this is exciting. We are actually live.
• 45:15
  S11: We're live with you. But we also are going to
• 45:16
  S11: have a live studio audience that's coming in at any
• 45:19
  S11: minute for Founder's Week open House.
• 45:21
  S2: This is boy, this is something. This is so good
• 45:24
  S2: because when we're in studio, we don't have any people around.
• 45:26
  S2: We're going to have people.
• 45:28
  S6: They're going to be people.
• 45:29
  S11: Bigger space.
• 45:30
  S6: Yeah.
• 45:30
  S11: We've got chairs. We're about to see some folks walking in.
• 45:33
  S11: So I'm excited about that. Founders week is a special time.
• 45:35
  S2: It is special. Doctor Jo Stoll with us right now.
• 45:39
  S2: Can you give us a sneak peek on your big
• 45:41
  S2: idea without giving away the message?
• 45:43
  S13: Well, so the conference theme is Generation to Generation The
• 45:47
  S13: Unstoppable Party of the gospel. So I thought, let's talk
• 45:50
  S13: about the unstoppable the gospel, because we live in a
• 45:53
  S13: culture where we might be led to think maybe there's
• 45:57
  S13: some stoppage with the gospel, because the gospel.
• 45:59
  S2: You could feel that way.
• 46:00
  S13: Yeah. The gospel is in the headwinds of our culture,
• 46:03
  S13: isn't it? You know, like people, young people, especially, you know,
• 46:07
  S13: who are at high tech. AI, AI, AI kinds of
• 46:10
  S13: things to them. Some guy dying on a cross 2000
• 46:14
  S13: years ago, you know, is not real relevant to their
• 46:17
  S13: lives because they don't feel like they're a sinner. So
• 46:20
  S13: if there's no sin, there's no guilt, there's no need
• 46:23
  S13: for a savior. And I think that's epidemic, especially amongst
• 46:26
  S13: the younger generation anyway. So we're going to open a
• 46:29
  S13: word of God and talk about how unstoppable it really
• 46:32
  S13: is and how powerful it really is to bring people
• 46:35
  S13: to the Lord. I love what Paul says in the
• 46:37
  S13: text we're going to study. He says, I am eager
• 46:39
  S13: to preach the gospel in Rome. Rome was the epicenter
• 46:44
  S13: of opposition to the gospel.
• 46:46
  S2: And he went toward it.
• 46:47
  S13: He he went because he said, it's the power of God.
• 46:50
  S13: So we're just going to track that a little bit.
• 46:53
  S11: I love the word stop ability.
• 46:55
  S13: Yeah, I do this.
• 46:56
  S11: I don't know that I've heard that used before.
• 46:58
  S13: No, I'm not sure it's in the dictionary.
• 46:59
  S11: But we won't check you. So what, what other things
• 47:04
  S11: do you think make people believe wrongly that the the
• 47:07
  S11: gospel is not unstoppable? Maybe they wouldn't say that. But
• 47:10
  S11: the things that that feel like it's opposition forces of
• 47:14
  S11: opposition that make us maybe wonder.
• 47:16
  S13: Yeah. Well, I think I probably could have a pretty
• 47:18
  S13: long list. Ali, couldn't we really have that kind of thing? Uh,
• 47:22
  S13: my grandson is a senior at the University of Michigan,
• 47:25
  S13: which is a problem because I married a Buckeye. And so.
• 47:28
  S13: But anyway, and he walks with the Lord. He has
• 47:31
  S13: housemates that he loves to be with, and he tries
• 47:34
  S13: to share Jesus with them. They listened politely. They say,
• 47:37
  S13: good for you. I don't need that. Again, it goes
• 47:40
  S13: back to the fact that he says, they're really good guys.
• 47:43
  S13: They don't mess around a whole lot. They have no
• 47:45
  S13: sense of guilt, no sense of sin. Why would they
• 47:47
  S13: need a savior? And I think that's the that's the
• 47:50
  S13: key point in a culture like ours, especially with the
• 47:53
  S13: prosperity and the affluence and everything that we have. So
• 47:58
  S13: I think that's really a big, pretty central issue. Our
• 48:02
  S13: universities tell tell the kids, you know, if you believe
• 48:05
  S13: in Christ and the gospel, that's like, those are like
• 48:08
  S13: medieval myths, you know, that's like boogeyman and fairy. It's
• 48:12
  S13: intellectual suicide to believe that. So they go through the
• 48:15
  S13: whole educational system hearing that's intellectual suicide and shutting it down. Thankfully,
• 48:22
  S13: the Lord comes along a lot of their lives and
• 48:25
  S13: brings them to a place where they think, hey, maybe
• 48:27
  S13: I do need a savior. And sometimes that's through people
• 48:29
  S13: like you and me who hang with them and they
• 48:32
  S13: see the difference in our lives. Sometimes the power is
• 48:34
  S13: not just in our message. The power is in the
• 48:37
  S13: kind of life that we have. That's so attractive that
• 48:39
  S13: Jesus makes our lives an attractive life that others want.
• 48:43
  S2: Recently, I was studying for the Great Showdown on Mount Carmel,
• 48:50
  S2: and really, the showdown was for the purpose of calling
• 48:53
  S2: the nation of Israel back to God. They were far
• 48:55
  S2: from God. And then you cross-reference that. I found a discovery.
• 48:59
  S2: In fact, I was kicking around with Michael Ray Dolnick,
• 49:01
  S2: and that's one time I've actually stumped him. He said
• 49:04
  S2: I'd never seen that before.
• 49:06
  S13: But you stumped.
• 49:07
  S2: I the only the only time.
• 49:10
  S13: Where's the.
• 49:10
  S2: Trophy?
• 49:10
  S13: I know.
• 49:11
  S2: But I said the context of James five to pray
• 49:15
  S2: as Elijah, who prayed for drought that led to famine.
• 49:20
  S2: And it was. It's what James says is praying that
• 49:23
  S2: lost people will become so thirsty and then ultimately famished
• 49:29
  S2: that they will be turned from the error of their
• 49:32
  S2: way and spared eternal death. It's a powerful thing to say, God,
• 49:37
  S2: that there's people, a lot of people that you love
• 49:40
  S2: right now. Boom crew who are caught up in this
• 49:43
  S2: sense of, I'm really not that bad, right? But thirst
• 49:48
  S2: and famine can cause people to seek God. Joe.
• 49:51
  S13: Right. And I think God leads people there on purpose
• 49:55
  S13: so they can see him. Right?
• 49:57
  S2: It's a grace of God.
• 49:58
  S13: Amen.
• 49:59
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• 50:34
  S2: Doctor Joe Stowell, former president of Moody Bible Institute. Great
• 50:38
  S2: man of God. Love this guy. Humble, great servant of God.
• 50:42
  S2: I'm bragging on him here in front of him, but
• 50:44
  S2: I love him. Uh, love to ask this question because
• 50:48
  S2: it comes out of, uh, acts 26, Paul standing before Agrippa,
• 50:52
  S2: and he's going through his whole heritage in three minutes
• 50:55
  S2: and five seconds. I timed it one time. He goes
• 50:58
  S2: through his whole story. Yeah. But he says in the
• 51:00
  S2: middle of that thing, I think it's verse 21 and
• 51:02
  S2: he says, And God is helping me to this very day,
• 51:05
  S2: which tells me he had a story, but his story
• 51:07
  S2: was fresh. So what's the fresh thing God's doing with
• 51:11
  S2: Doctor Joe? Stole.
• 51:12
  S13: Wow. Great. Great question. So I quit my day job
• 51:15
  S13: five years ago when I was over at a university
• 51:18
  S13: in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But I didn't quit the kingdom. Right?
• 51:21
  S2: Yeah.
• 51:22
  S13: So reflecting on that, my heart said, what will the
• 51:24
  S13: next season of my life be? What did I want
• 51:26
  S13: it to be? Actually, there were four things we don't
• 51:28
  S13: have to go into them, but one was a closer
• 51:30
  S13: walk with Christ. You know, we can be working for him,
• 51:34
  S13: busy for him, loving him, in a sense, with all
• 51:38
  S13: that we do, but yet he beckons us to be
• 51:41
  S13: close to him. You know the song Just a Closer
• 51:44
  S13: Walk with Thee. Remember that good old song?
• 51:46
  S2: I love it.
• 51:46
  S13: I do, exactly so I've been moving closer to Jesus.
• 51:50
  S13: I have a scripture memory program that I'm in, and
• 51:53
  S13: I find that really helpful because so many times during
• 51:55
  S13: the day, the Lord brings back one of those verses
• 51:58
  S13: I memorized that was so important. Then also part of
• 52:01
  S13: that is at my age, not telling, but at my age,
• 52:07
  S13: I'm getting ready to see Jesus. I keep thinking about that.
• 52:10
  S13: I want to be ready to see him. Yeah. What
• 52:12
  S13: do I want my life to be like when I
• 52:15
  S13: see him? So that's part of being closer to him too.
• 52:18
  S13: So that's kind of one of the targets of my life.
• 52:21
  S2: That's beautiful.
• 52:22
  S11: Joe Stowell is going to be speaking this morning at
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  S11: check out the live stream. Text founders to (800) 555-7898. Founders
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  S11: to (800) 555-7898. Now, what is your heart for the person
• 52:45
  S11: who is going to be listening this morning or any
• 52:47
  S11: time during Founders Week, you're they're going to be taking
• 52:50
  S11: in a ton of messages. Every one of them is
• 52:52
  S11: going to be great with so much application. What's your
• 52:55
  S11: heart for the.
• 52:55
  S13: Total Bible info overload?
• 52:57
  S11: Yes.
• 52:58
  S13: Right. Exactly.
• 52:59
  S2: That's immersions good.
• 53:00
  S13: Yeah, it is good. But I would just recommend people
• 53:03
  S13: listen to the voice of God as you're hearing a sermon.
• 53:06
  S13: And maybe it isn't even exactly everything the sermons about,
• 53:10
  S13: but God said something to your heart right there. Write
• 53:13
  S13: it down. Take that home. So just take about a dozen.
• 53:16
  S13: If you come for all the messages, you know, just
• 53:19
  S13: ten things maybe that God said to you. I remember
• 53:21
  S13: one time being at a church, big famous church, famous pastor.
• 53:25
  S13: It was a mid-week service and people were saying how
• 53:28
  S13: God had used Sunday in their lives. This one guy
• 53:31
  S13: got up and he named his pastor. He said, ten
• 53:34
  S13: minutes into the sermon, you disappeared. And I heard from
• 53:37
  S13: God and I.
• 53:39
  S2: Oh.
• 53:40
  S13: Yeah. And I thought, wow, how powerful is that? You know,
• 53:44
  S13: listen to what God is saying to you. Jot it
• 53:47
  S13: down and hang on to it.
• 53:49
  S2: That is beautiful. You disappeared and I heard from God.
• 53:52
  S11: That's something to pray for. If you're ever going to
• 53:54
  S11: be speaking to a group of people.
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  S13: Amen.
• 53:56
  S2: Absolutely. Thank you for being in here with us, my man.
• 53:59
  S13: My joy. Thanks for what you do for the kingdom.
• 54:01
  S2: Yeah. It's a it's a joy. It's humbling to sit
• 54:04
  S2: here every morning. And we're grateful for the partnership and
• 54:08
  S2: the gospel that we have with you, brother. Keep cooking. Okay.
• 54:10
  S13: And you.
• 54:12
  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
• 54:14
  S1: God showed her. She didn't have to. Ali is in
• 54:18
  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody radio.
• 54:21
  S2: You know, Ali, it's been a while since we talked
• 54:23
  S2: about Psalm 90, but Moses says, teach us to number
• 54:26
  S2: our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom,
• 54:29
  S2: which is really cool. I love to spike this because
• 54:32
  S2: wisdom does not. It may you may think, oh well,
• 54:37
  S2: wise people redeem time. And that could be true. But
• 54:39
  S2: what Moses says is when we redeem time, we become wise.
• 54:43
  S2: But that redeeming time thing. Remember back in the day
• 54:47
  S2: we asked, what's that one thing that's holding you back
• 54:49
  S2: from everything? Yeah. And time. Redemption or squandering time. That
• 54:54
  S2: was huge for people. We've got a special guest right now,
• 54:58
  S2: Lori Davies. Lori, this is a big deal. A lot
• 55:02
  S2: of people want to redeem time. They feel like they
• 55:04
  S2: are smacked by Satan constantly with accusation that they're squandering time.
• 55:10
  S2: But it can be a place where we get stuck
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  S2: in it.
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  S14: Oh for sure. And I mean, we have an enemy
• 55:16
  S14: who's committed to making us feel he stands before God
• 55:20
  S14: night and day accusing the brethren. And he's so he's
• 55:24
  S14: committed to that. We need to be equally as committed
• 55:28
  S14: to walking in the ways of the Lord.
• 55:31
  S2: Yeah. Now redeeming time. This is an interesting thing. We're
• 55:35
  S2: not proposing workaholism. You can redeem time by. And I've
• 55:39
  S2: been doing this lately playing with your grandkids.
• 55:42
  S11: Absolutely.
• 55:43
  S2: You can redeem time. That way you can redeem time
• 55:45
  S2: with a good nap. But you've you've really taken this
• 55:48
  S2: to heart, haven't you, in this great work, emotional hoarding.
• 55:52
  S2: How is emotional hoarding getting in the way of time? Redemption?
• 55:55
  S14: Oh, well, when we think of. So maybe I should
• 55:59
  S14: level set on what I mean by emotional hoarding. Yes,
• 56:01
  S14: kind of emotional baggage is a pretty common phrase. We use, um,
• 56:06
  S14: unresolved emotions or emotional problems, difficult stuff from the past,
• 56:11
  S14: from any number of sources. So emotional hoarding is we
• 56:15
  S14: bump that up a notch, right? We're holding on to
• 56:17
  S14: this stuff. So if we think about all the things
• 56:20
  S14: we hold on to. We hold grudges. We live buried
• 56:23
  S14: under mountains of regret. That's the language of accumulation. And
• 56:28
  S14: so when we're holding on to all that stuff, time
• 56:30
  S14: is just one resource that cuts into it, cuts into
• 56:33
  S14: how our heart is supposed to function, damages our relationships
• 56:37
  S14: vertical and horizontal. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:40
  S11: Lori Davies is with us right now. She's a former journalist,
• 56:43
  S11: women's ministry director. Her book is called emotion Emotional Hoarding, letting,
• 56:47
  S11: letting go of the stuff that keeps you Stuck. Nobody
• 56:50
  S11: wants to feel like they're bitter, like they're angry. What
• 56:54
  S11: makes us hold on to emotions that we don't even
• 56:57
  S11: say we don't even want?
• 56:58
  S14: Yeah, that's the million dollar question. I've thought a lot
• 57:01
  S14: about this, and I think sometimes it feels self-protective, very
• 57:05
  S14: much like a hoarder of physical things, is unable or
• 57:09
  S14: unwilling to let go of those things because they feel
• 57:12
  S14: like there's some protection around it. So sometimes self-protective, sometimes
• 57:15
  S14: it's good old fashioned rebellion. We want that grudge. We
• 57:20
  S14: want to hold on to that. And sometimes we don't
• 57:23
  S14: even know guys.
• 57:25
  S2: There's a lot of people listening right now who feel stuck,
• 57:29
  S2: and they want to let loose of some of those
• 57:33
  S2: emotions that are causing them to not only hold on
• 57:36
  S2: to something, but whenever you've got something in your hands
• 57:39
  S2: like this, you can't take hold of the greater good.
• 57:42
  S2: Found in God, right?
• 57:43
  S14: That's right. You know, I love the I love Jesus. Um, encouragement,
• 57:50
  S14: you could say admonition for us to love the Lord
• 57:52
  S14: your God with all your heart. Yeah. All your soul
• 57:55
  S14: and all your mind and all your strength. And how
• 57:57
  S14: can we do that if our heart is clogged, cluttered
• 58:02
  S14: with anger, bitterness, regret, false guilt, worry.
• 58:07
  S11: Laurie Davies is with us right now. We're talking about
• 58:09
  S11: emotional hoarding, how to let go of the stuff that
• 58:12
  S11: keeps you stuck. More coming up live for Founder's Week
• 58:14
  S11: here on Carlene Crew.
• 58:16
  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 58:19
  S3: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 58:22
  S3: to stay in your past. And I want you to
• 58:24
  S3: know and believe that today.
• 58:25
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 58:27
  S2: Titus 211 and 12. If you want two verses to
• 58:30
  S2: memorize on Grace, those would be the verses, right, Allie.
• 58:33
  S11: The grace of God that saves us and the grace
• 58:35
  S11: of God that trains us, trains us.
• 58:37
  S2: We got a special guest in studio, Laura Davies, and
• 58:42
  S2: she's the author of a great book, Emotional Hoarding Letting
• 58:47
  S2: Go of the Stuff That Keeps You Stuck. Okay, let's
• 58:52
  S2: work this. There's a lot of people that feel stuck,
• 58:54
  S2: and they know when you say emotional hoarding, there's other
• 58:57
  S2: ways to describe that, but it's basically gathering emotions that
• 59:00
  S2: God doesn't want you carrying. How do you begin to
• 59:03
  S2: offload these things? Lori.
• 59:05
  S14: I think the first thing is you got to have
• 59:07
  S14: the courage to kind of take a peek into your
• 59:09
  S14: emotional closet, right? What's in there that I've stuffed? What's
• 59:13
  S14: in there that I'm not addressing. And because before we
• 59:18
  S14: can be free, we got to name the thing. Yeah.
• 59:21
  S14: So I think that's a first step. And then it
• 59:24
  S14: might be. So maybe we could take one in particular
• 59:27
  S14: and look at how it works itself out symptomatically, if
• 59:30
  S14: you will. So one of the emotions that I cover
• 59:33
  S14: is worthlessness not having an understanding of our worth. And
• 59:38
  S14: so that works itself out often in people pleasing hustle.
• 59:44
  S14: If I just perform, if I get this next thing,
• 59:47
  S14: do this next accomplishment, then I'll finally have worth. So
• 59:51
  S14: I think chasing down the symptoms in your life, how
• 59:54
  S14: do I live? How do I do I strive? Um,
• 59:58
  S14: if it's bitterness, if you're holding grudges. We know we're
• 1:00:01
  S14: doing that. And on average, we're holding seven right now,
• 1:00:06
  S14: seven grudges.
• 1:00:08
  S2: We got to let those go.
• 1:00:10
  S14: We gotta let them go.
• 1:00:12
  S11: Seven grudges. That's that's a new one. Okay. So when
• 1:00:16
  S11: we think about relationships, because a lot of the emotional
• 1:00:19
  S11: hoarding comes in the form of relationships where we've been disappointed,
• 1:00:23
  S11: maybe we've where we've been betrayed. And so one trend
• 1:00:26
  S11: that I'm seeing, and it's not new, but over the
• 1:00:28
  S11: last couple of years is a lot of cutting people off.
• 1:00:32
  S11: And so boundaries are used as now I this is
• 1:00:35
  S11: my line and you no longer serve me. So you
• 1:00:38
  S11: are not a part of my life. And so we
• 1:00:40
  S11: see this in families with adult children and their parents.
• 1:00:43
  S11: We see this in friendships where people ghost and I'll
• 1:00:47
  S11: use the ghosting culture, speak to that a little bit,
• 1:00:50
  S11: because the extreme of this is I have to protect
• 1:00:53
  S11: my peace. Therefore, if you if I don't like you
• 1:00:56
  S11: in that moment, I have no need for you in
• 1:00:58
  S11: my life, right?
• 1:00:59
  S14: This whole no contact thing we're doing, it's destroying families. Look,
• 1:01:04
  S14: I think we want. Boundaries are good. Boundaries are God given.
• 1:01:09
  S14: But Fort Knox, When we build Fort Knox around our heart,
• 1:01:14
  S14: that's just a hard heart. And when we came to Christ, he.
• 1:01:17
  S14: He changed our heart of stone. He gave us a
• 1:01:19
  S14: heart of flesh. So how do we live with a
• 1:01:22
  S14: heart of flesh? That's really what you're asking. And I
• 1:01:24
  S14: think when I think of boundaries, I call them soft walls.
• 1:01:28
  S14: Like I'm going to, I, I'm going to erect a
• 1:01:31
  S14: boundary here, but I'm going to stay soft on the
• 1:01:34
  S14: inside toward you. And that takes all manner of getting
• 1:01:40
  S14: rid of the bitterness, reconciling some of the regrets that
• 1:01:43
  S14: we have. Um, so we do the work on the
• 1:01:46
  S14: inside and we stay soft and pliable so that we
• 1:01:49
  S14: can respond if the spirit is encouraging us to move
• 1:01:52
  S14: toward the person. But, you know, boundaries, sometimes they're necessary,
• 1:01:57
  S14: often they're necessary. But Fort Knox is never necessary.
• 1:02:01
  S2: Yeah. And only a heart that's really connected with God's sovereignty,
• 1:02:05
  S2: his goodness, knowing who we are in Christ when we
• 1:02:08
  S2: get back here in just a moment, let's tackle some
• 1:02:11
  S2: of those transcendent truths that will allow us to be
• 1:02:16
  S2: soft in heart and not reckless, but soft in heart
• 1:02:20
  S2: in a way that we can break down some of
• 1:02:22
  S2: those walls that we maybe have created in our life.
• 1:02:25
  S2: More with Laura. Laura Davies. Straight ahead.
• 1:02:28
  S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
• 1:02:31
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. Standing on
• 1:02:36
  S1: the rock. Each and every day.
• 1:02:38
  S4: It all comes down to what we've got our eyes
• 1:02:40
  S4: fixed on. Are we fixed on the distractions of this world.
• 1:02:43
  S4: Or are we fixed on Jesus?
• 1:02:44
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 1:02:47
  S11: We are live for Founders Week 2026 here at Moody Radio.
• 1:02:51
  S11: We've got a special guest in studio and a studio audience,
• 1:02:54
  S11: so we'll have some pictures up later on our social media.
• 1:02:56
  S11: But Lori Davies is a Moody Publishers author. Her book
• 1:02:59
  S11: is called Emotional Hoarding Letting Go of the Stuff That
• 1:03:02
  S11: Keeps You Stuck. This is attainable, but this is not something.
• 1:03:06
  S11: And we hit this all the time because you can
• 1:03:09
  S11: decide today I'm going to get rid of all this
• 1:03:11
  S11: stuff that I've been hoarding. It's not going to happen
• 1:03:14
  S11: apart from the power of the Holy Spirit. And I
• 1:03:15
  S11: know that's your heart as well.
• 1:03:17
  S14: That's absolutely right. And sometimes it's not going to happen quickly,
• 1:03:21
  S14: but we can start very much like my office at
• 1:03:23
  S14: home is in chaos like Jackson Pollock could create in there.
• 1:03:28
  S15: You're an artist.
• 1:03:29
  S14: However, if I start in one dedicated space and work
• 1:03:33
  S14: my way around the room, I start to things open up.
• 1:03:37
  S14: And I think it's the same with our hearts. If
• 1:03:40
  S14: we just choose one thing, I'm going to work on
• 1:03:42
  S14: that one thing. And and through prayer and Bible study
• 1:03:46
  S14: and just personal commitment to making a change, it is
• 1:03:49
  S14: nothing is impossible with God.
• 1:03:51
  S11: Amen.
• 1:03:52
  S2: So bitterness is one of those massive emotional boy that's
• 1:03:58
  S2: like a backpack of cement. We know God's clear in
• 1:04:03
  S2: Romans ten. Vengeance is mine, I will repay. So the
• 1:04:06
  S2: scales are going to be evened out. And sometimes we
• 1:04:08
  S2: even approach that going, yeah, sucker. You're going to get
• 1:04:11
  S2: what's coming to you down the road. That's not the
• 1:04:14
  S2: right heart attitude. But knowing that God is God in
• 1:04:17
  S2: these scales will be evened out. There's something good about
• 1:04:20
  S2: knowing that that can give you some reliefs, not joy,
• 1:04:24
  S2: but some reliefs. Right?
• 1:04:26
  S14: Yeah, I think isn't that the isn't that the whole
• 1:04:31
  S14: role of forgiveness offloading it? Bitterness is called a toxin.
• 1:04:37
  S14: It's a poison. It's a bitter root. When we cut
• 1:04:41
  S14: that bitter root out of our heart, our soul, our mind, uh,
• 1:04:46
  S14: and just let God deal with it because he sees
• 1:04:48
  S14: all the angles we don't see. Look, sometimes we're bitter
• 1:04:51
  S14: with somebody and we have no idea what the pain
• 1:04:53
  S14: points in their lives are. We have no idea what
• 1:04:56
  S14: broke in their story that caused them, allowed them whatever
• 1:05:00
  S14: to them to. You know, kind of hurt us in
• 1:05:06
  S14: the way that they did, right?
• 1:05:07
  S10: Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  S2: It's real.
• 1:05:09
  S11: What's the cost of not letting go?
• 1:05:12
  S14: I think the biggest cost is the disconnection with God.
• 1:05:15
  S14: Like that's the that's the price we pay. If if
• 1:05:19
  S14: we're holding on to bitterness, we're hammering bitterness today. But
• 1:05:22
  S14: let's just roll with it. If we're holding on to that,
• 1:05:24
  S14: we are creating an active disconnect with the one who
• 1:05:27
  S14: sent his son to do that very thing. And it's
• 1:05:31
  S14: not easy. It is hard. But Jesus calls us to
• 1:05:34
  S14: do it 70 times seven. He knows the cost. It's
• 1:05:37
  S14: the hardest thing he did, and he did it for us.
• 1:05:39
  S2: Give us a story. This book's been out for a
• 1:05:41
  S2: few months, so now you're getting some feedback. What are
• 1:05:44
  S2: you hearing, Lori?
• 1:05:45
  S14: Yeah. I think one of the most humbling pieces of
• 1:05:50
  S14: feedback I got was from a 67 year old woman,
• 1:05:53
  S14: and she approached me with tears in her eyes and
• 1:05:56
  S14: said that my book changed her life. And so I
• 1:06:01
  S14: asked her, well, what? What does that look like? What?
• 1:06:04
  S14: What do you mean by that? And she said, I
• 1:06:06
  S14: didn't even realize all the things I'd been holding on to.
• 1:06:09
  S14: And I've been, you know, kind of dealing with them,
• 1:06:12
  S14: not clearing them out. There's no emotional dumpster that we
• 1:06:15
  S14: carry this stuff out to. We have to process it.
• 1:06:17
  S14: We have to deal with it. So she did. And
• 1:06:19
  S14: I said, well, what does that feel like? And she said,
• 1:06:21
  S14: it feels like freedom. Like you can't put a price
• 1:06:25
  S14: tag on that.
• 1:06:26
  S2: No you can't.
• 1:06:27
  S11: The book is called Emotional Hoarding Letting Go of the
• 1:06:30
  S11: Stuff That Keeps You Stuck. We've got a link for you.
• 1:06:33
  S11: Just text stuck to 805 557898. That one word stuck
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• 1:06:42
  S2: Yeah, some of you are like, I've got to get free.
• 1:06:46
  S2: And you know that because those of you that are
• 1:06:48
  S2: truly born again, the Spirit of God is speaking into
• 1:06:52
  S2: your spirit right now, saying, you got to get free.
• 1:06:54
  S2: This might be a resource for you. Again, stuck to 805, five, five, 78, 98.