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Forged in Fire: Vinni Morais on Hunger, Discipline, and the Long Road to the Arnold Classic · White Coat Black Sheep

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Welcome to White Coat, Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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uncomfortable. I'm Dr. Sevelli. Today, we're talking
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physiology, evidence, and real-world medicine, plus the questions you're not
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supposed to ask, but probably should.
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If you care about health and think there's a better way, welcome to the
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show.
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Thank you so much for joining me today. So what is your name, and what do you do?
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My name is Vinicius Moraes. You can call me Vini because it's easier-
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Okay
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... for Americans to pronounce.
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I love that.
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Yeah. So it's Vini.
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I've been here for 10 years.
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Okay.
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But I've been back and forth. I went to college here, went back to Brazil.
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Okay. Oh, Brazil.
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Went back to-- Yeah. So I went back to fighting.
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Okay.
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Then from fighting, I went-
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What kind of fighting?
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I was MMA and jujitsu.
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Oh, that's really cool.
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That was my way into jujitsu.
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Okay.
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Brazilian jujitsu, which I was back when I was a kid-
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Yeah
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... growing up in a neighborhood that was tough and all that.
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So then I-
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So then you used it as a way to-
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Get out of trouble
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... really survive. Yeah.
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Pretty much. Yeah. Because I used to live in the most dangerous neighborhood in my
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town.
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Oh my God.
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So I grew up like around that.
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Wow.
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So sports, kind of my mom was mostly responsible too, because
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she said, "I don't want you involved with this."
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Yeah.
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Because she knows I was hanging out with people that I'm not supposed to be hanging
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out with.
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Yeah.
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But she, when I saw sports, she always pushed me to go.
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Yeah.
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Go. And then jujitsu became something that would take me out of the
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trouble most of the day.
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Yeah.
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So, I would be there for
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after school till after dark.
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Yeah.
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So after dark, I wouldn't stay out, so just go home.
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Then I went back, had a chance to come back to the U.S.-
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Yes
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... for a scholarship, for a football scholarship.
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So this was like-
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Soccer scholarship
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... college. High school?
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College.
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College. Okay.
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College. And then I went to college here. Stayed for 2006 to 2011.
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Mm-hmm.
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Went back to Brazil in 2012. Stayed there because I was actually homesick too.
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I was missing my mom.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. Then went back. I was very attached to my
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niece at the time, so she
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was growing up, and I missed all that.
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I was just like, "You know what?"
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I hate that. Yeah.
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"I'm going to go." I got rid of everything I had. I was in Cleveland, actually.
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Okay.
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So I was doing college over there.
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Okay.
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Graduated, and then I went back, tried to make a living over there in Brazil.
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Yes.
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Which is really tough. It's like when you guys used to live here, you go back over
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there, it's a totally different world.
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So that's what I did, stayed there focusing on fighting,
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and got in the time that I got invited to come here again for
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fighting.
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Uh-huh.
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Got my black belt in 2015.
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Wow.
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I was doing jujitsu for 15 when I got my black belt.
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So I got my black belt, got invited to come. Came, started competing.
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Because of competing here all the time.
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Yeah.
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Started competing here and all that.
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Got
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among the worlds a few times, and I was focusing on fighting.
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And that was very important. And that's a little bit of my
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background.
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That's really fun. Okay, just by optics, you look cooler than me.
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I can already start there.
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No.
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Yeah.
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I know a little bit about the industry, but
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it definitely seems like a very healthy channel for whatever you're
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coming from-
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Mm-hmm
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... or whatever you're dealing with.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think channeling that into a healthy form-
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Yeah. Totally
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... competitive platform to just
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have no excuse to do bad things, right?
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It's just like-
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There's no time for it
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... you can just basically get paid for it.
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Right. Yeah, that's the thing about the fighting-
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Yeah
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... I mean, the mental state. So
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growing up poor-
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Yeah
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... and
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when you're fighting,
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it gets you in this mindset like, if you can win here-
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Mm-hmm
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... nothing else can beat you.
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Yeah.
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So that's how I grew up. So nowadays, I'm a bodybuilder.
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I'm not even training jujitsu anymore.
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Oh, wow.
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I became a bodybuilder after--
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I've been a bodybuilder for two years, I would say.
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Okay.
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For real, about two years.
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Yes.
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I started training a friend of mine.
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Uh-huh.
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He was in jujitsu with me, and he say, "I want to
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win this specific fight that I lost because I was
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weaker."
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Yeah.
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He's like, "Let's train with me." And then I started going to Power,
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and started training over there, and he would start pushing me because the Worlds
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was coming in a few months. So he was pushing me every day-
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Okay
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... training with me. And then I started, I always
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liked workout. I always loved-
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Yeah
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... bodybuilding. I always loved being, I watched Arnold, Columb, all those big
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names in the-
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Wow
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... bodybuilding industry as a kid.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, "Man, I don't think I can be that." And-
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So like 13, 11, what age do you think it really grips you?
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Oh, when it got me?
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Yeah.
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Like 10.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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10, 12, around the same time I was in the fighting industry-
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Yeah
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... which is not a lot of, at the time it was boxing that was the big thing with
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Mike Tyson-
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Okay
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... and all this like-
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Oh, yeah
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... so it's like, and then I started looking for bodybuilding as-
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Mm-hmm
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... something I like to watch because, "Man, I wish I had that body.
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I wish I could-"
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The muscles.
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Yeah, I know.
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Because I always wanted to be, when I was a kid, every kid wants to be a
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superhero.
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Yeah.
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So I was like Superman, like this, "Oh my God."
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Yeah, my sister's kids like to show me their push-ups and their muscles, and I'm
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like, "I didn't ask." But that's cool.
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Well, first you see a guy doing, oh, the most, like if I'm going to do this and I
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don't have anything, it's embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, "Man, I wish I had that."
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You carry like a ding.
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Yeah, a little-
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A little, yeah
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... watch,
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like Bugs Bunny when he does that, like ding, next thing.
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Yeah, he falls.
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Yeah. So that's
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how I feel like I can do that.
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Yeah.
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That's when I would do it. Then I was fighting because I was more time cover up in
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the gi and all that.
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Mm-hmm.
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I was doing good.
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That's good.
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And then when I start training, I won the Worlds 2021,
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and that was funny because there was no points scored.
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Right.
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Nobody scored a point on me, and I just literally ran over the guys,
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and that was like, "Oh my God, I like that." I like how strong I felt.
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Yeah.
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So first time in my life, I was always insecure about being weaker or be, not
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technically, but-
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Mm-hmm
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... always be weaker than the guy.
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Yeah.
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Because I know the guys work out and all that, and I wasn't doing much.
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Mm-hmm.
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But then when I got the bit by the bug-
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Yeah
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... so to say.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, after I won the Worlds, I thought about, like, you know what?
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I like better, and so and my contract for fighting was over at the time.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, you know what? Now's the time I have to choose.
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Am I going to keep fighting?Or I'm going to do something else.
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It was over because like the season or because of rules or-
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It was years, like I have five-year-
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Okay
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... contract with the sponsor-
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Oh,
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okay
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... and then it was expiring that I was like-
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Okay
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... am I going to
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ask to re-sign or-
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Yeah
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... just going to just move on and do something-
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Yeah
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... else. And I always had this funny thing about, I'd like to move on into sports.
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Yes.
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Because from then I went from,
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at the same time I was doing jujitsu, I stopped jujitsu and doing bodybuilding, I
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started playing ice hockey.
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Oh, wow.
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So I was like, back then I wanted to learn that.
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But that feels slightly like, there's fights in that too, so it kind of translates
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nicely, right?
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Yeah. And I always loved hockey. So a little understanding,
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being in Brazil-
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Uh-huh
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... is really limited. It's a soccer player.
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I've never been.
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Yeah.
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Soccer.
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If you are a soccer player, first thing you get as a gift as a kid is a ball.
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Just as a soccer player. And I grew up in that environment.
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I played soccer and did all that. It brought me here.
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Yeah.
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Thankful for soccer.
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Yeah.
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After I moved here, I said after I'm done with college, I never play a game of
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soccer in my life again.
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And I was like, "You know what? People invite me to play soccer with them." I was
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like, "No, I'm good."
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I played soccer in high school.
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That s**t is dangerous.
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Yeah.
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Then I was like, "No, I'm good at soccer."
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Yeah.
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But then I
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went soccer, now all that.
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But I was always like, look, I grew up watching Michael Jordan play.
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I always like American sports. For some reason, I always love it.
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Basketball, even baseball. My first team was the Cleveland Indians.
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Mm. Oh, yeah.
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I was a fan.
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Things like that. We really kind of look to those sports that we don't have
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there.
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Yeah.
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I would be the weird guy with the...
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I always
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roller skate.
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Oh.
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So I would be the guy that build the hockey stick with my- ...
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with woods and something, play by myself, like, "Dude."
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Basically hockey.
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"What are you..." Yeah. "We don't even have that here in Brazil.
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What are you doing?" It's like, I like the sports of it.
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I always liked things like-
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Yeah
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... from here.
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Yeah.
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And funny thing, I was born on July 4th.
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Oh, that's so fun to know.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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And then I was watching-
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You're basically American.
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Yeah, I was a American baby.
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But then,
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when someone told me I was a kid, and I had a sweatshirt with the American flag-
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Uh-huh
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... and they say, "You know that?"
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And it was my birthday.
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Yeah.
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And the guy said, "You know that you're American?
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Today's American independence day." I was like, "Oh, really?
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How is it?" And so I look it up, and there's no internet, none of that.
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I was a kid.
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Cute.
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And I was like, I wanted to go there someday.
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So, I manifest that thing in my heads-
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That's cool
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... like, I wanted to be there someday on my birthday.
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Yeah.
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And that was funny because later on in life, I was here.
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Yeah.
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Living here, and I have the American, actually, I have American flag here.
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Oh, that's so nice.
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Because, which with my college degree.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's when-
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It's very muscular.
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Yeah, that's-
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It's the American flag with the eagle.
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Yeah, with the eagle on, in the gi.
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Yeah.
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So that's one thing I'm really grateful for America because if it wasn't them, I
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wouldn't have a college degree. I'm-
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That's amazing
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... grateful to being born in Brazil.
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Yeah.
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All this
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anger to be like-
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Yes
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... to succeed good.
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Yeah.
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But I'm be here for me is like, that's why I love America so much.
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Because that-
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That's fantastic
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... college I have, the-
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Yeah
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... opportunities I have, even with bodybuilding too, I have, is America.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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And-
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Do you think it's because of how you were raised?
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Just, you mentioned poverty, right?
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For sure.
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So like, coming from a place where you're looking around and you're like, "I just
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don't feel like I'm going to go anywhere," or like, "I can't-"
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The one is like, you know what's funny? My mom always encouraged me to be better.
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Mm-hmm.
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There's a song about, the Panic! at the Disco
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that says, "High Hopes."
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Okay.
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So that's my mom,
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because every time I choose sports-
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Yeah
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... over being... She always went, "I want you to be a doctor.
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I want you to be a lawyer. I want you to be-"
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Overrated.
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Yeah. And then I was like, "No, I want to be an athlete."
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Yeah.
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And then she was like, and that song comes in play where she, that's literally
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her concern about me, I'm going to suffer, it going to be hard, it's going to be...
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That's literally that. And it's going to, I'm trying to say a funny story about
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that when I bodybuilding. But the point is,
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and it came to me like, I'd want to be better than, because
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when I was born,
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my mom had,
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I was financially stable.
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Mm.
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She quit her job and all that to take care of the family because my dad was taking
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care of it, and he just literally beyond us, five years old,
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left us on the street, and she had to go back to literally sewing
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clothes and all that so she could raise us.
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So I saw that happening, and we went like totally broke.
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Living in a house, living on
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our family related people, living on the floor,
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and she was always trying to get better and got us a little house.
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Wow.
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We lived there for a few years, and I was always seeing that, working so hard like
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that.
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Yeah.
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I was like, "You know what? I want to do better for my mom."
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Yeah.
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"And I want to do..." And then every time I would go outside, she's like, "Don't
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get in trouble." I was like, every time, I could,
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but then every time I would think about my mom would be so disappointed in me.
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And then I just never got in. It was, I've always made a good choice because of
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her. And it's funny because one day she told me, she looked me in the eyes, I was
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like, I don't remember about how old I was, but she looked at me and I say, "I hope
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you never make me cry because you go to jail."
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Oh my gosh.
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Or you die.
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That was powerful. Like, I don't want-
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And I literally-
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I wouldn't want to let her down
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... no. And then when she, I know. And then she
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was working day and night-
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That's powerful
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... to buy us literally food. And at that time,
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I would go to school to eat-
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Mm-hmm
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... because they provide food-
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Mm
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... public school. So I would go to eat.
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Mm-hmm.
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I go back home, so I need to have food.
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And then my mom would be just cook some flour and water and salt, fry
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it, and cup of coffee, go train, and I would train all day, come back, walk.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's a story that people don't see.
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They see this Vini like, "Oh my God, the athlete Vini." But people don't-
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They don't see the whole journey
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... they don't see the whole journey from the when you started.
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They see the glamorous-
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They don't see why I'm so competitive.
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Yeah.
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Because they wasn't there when I was walking from
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my practice all day, from when I was being a kid, walking back,
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think about I might not have food at home.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm so hungry, and I stop by a diner, and I get food from the trash and
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literally eat that.
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Wow.
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That-
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Wow
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... you know? And people say, "Oh, what?" My mom say, "Don't say that." It's like,
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why not? I'm proud of that.
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Mm.
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Because that food, I remember I was sitting on the
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curb. I would get the-The meals that was kind of
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folded more-
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Yeah
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... not as dirty.
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Yeah.
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I would open and say, "Okay, has some half of hamburger here." I was like, "I'll
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get some of it." I'll eat it sitting on the curb and I'll see people
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driving the cars out of the parking lot, looking at me, feeling sorry for me, and I
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would start crying. I was like, and that got me angry.
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I was like, "I'll have a better car than you someday."
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I love that.
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I hate that.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time, I didn't feel like I was defeated.
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Yeah.
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That was the chapter of my life. It's not a book.
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You gave me chills. That's such a pivotal moment,
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and I feel like you have to experience that low-
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Right
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... that like, "This is not who I feel like I represent.
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This is not me in my era."
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That's what I imagine now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It's not what I-
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It's f*****g awesome
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... Many people from the...
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I was living in a bad neighborhood,
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so I was hanging out with everybody.
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Mm-hmm.
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So sometimes I'll hang out with the rich people, and I'd have shoes and have
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clothes, and some of them would give me clothes and all that.
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Mm-hmm.
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But some other ones, they were playing the rich guys-
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Mm-hmm
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... and the girl, actually girls.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's like, "Ah, you're living in a shoebox." They always try to put me down because
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in sports, I would overcome with soccer and all the sports.
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And the way they would put me down because they have more money than me, "Ah, you
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live in a shoebox. You don't have shoes to play." They always try to put me down.
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I was like, "You know what? I'll have some day." And that's what always fed me,
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and still. And so every challenge-
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Yeah
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... feeds me so-
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Yeah
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... much for... I've got to... And that's when I went from
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jujitsu. I was like, "You know what?
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I'm going to do something else." And I focused on bodybuilding.
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And
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by the time I was starting bodybuilding,
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people would laugh at me, like, "It don't help me."
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Mm-hmm.
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But I was like, and once someone told me-
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Mm-hmm
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... "Why don't you compete?" I was like, "Nah, I don't think it's going to be..."
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Mm-hmm.
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"Why?" And then they said, "Oh, this is this."
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And people that were actually helping me was like, "Nah, bro, you can get there." I
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was like-
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Now I have to do it
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... I was like, "If you're the person that actually with me say that I cannot do
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it, I'm going to prove to you and to everybody else that I can do that." So I
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start training really hard and-
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Yeah
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... and at the same time I was playing hockey.
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Yeah.
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People, I was in the hockey here in town.
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Yeah.
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I was playing hockey with the team, and then my teammate was like, "Eh, he's all
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right. Let's help him out."
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Right.
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I start getting better. I hire a coach.
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She's
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pretty cool. She works at the center.
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I don't always remember the name of the ice hockey place here.
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Okay.
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And I call, her name is Corey, and I ask her, "Hey, can you
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train me to be a better skate?" "Yeah, sure." So it was twice a week.
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I would go there just training-
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Wow
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... swerving around, doing stuff so I can control more my body on the skates.
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Okay.
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The girls got it back.
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Is it Bravo Bank? Where do you even... I can't even imagine here.
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Now it's...
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I don't know the name now, but-
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Yeah
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... it's right behind-
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Please tell.
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It's right behind the
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children something.
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Okay. I'm going to have to look this up.
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Yeah.
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But it's in Bakersfield.
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Yeah, it's Bakersfield.
14:57
Yeah.
14:58
Okay.
14:58
And then I got in the point and my teammate's like, "Whoa, you're getting better.
15:01
You're getting better." I said, "Yeah, I know, right?
15:02
I got to get better." But I start getting better, they start to stop.
15:05
Some of them, they stop helping me.
15:06
I was like, "Why?" The same thing happened in jujitsu.
15:08
Same thing happened with everything else.
15:09
I love that.
15:10
Because I wanted to be the... I don't want to be better-
15:11
They liked you down there. They liked you when-
15:13
I know
15:13
... you weren't that good.
15:14
Yeah. I don't want to be better than...
15:16
That's why I post some videos about it.
15:18
I don't want to be better than anybody else.
15:20
I wanted to prove that I can be better than me yesterday.
15:21
Yes. That's the journey, right?
15:23
People don't understand.
15:24
They don't. No, I think they just think too small, and it's like they're,
15:28
"You're wonderful. You're great.
15:30
You're doing so good." There's encouragement until you-
15:32
Until you see, "Oh, you're professional."
15:34
Yeah.
15:34
"You're a little too much."
15:35
Dominating.
15:37
You're not there yet.
15:38
Yeah.
15:38
But yeah, that's always like, that's my whole life.
15:40
No, funny.
15:41
My whole life like that, in every sports.
15:43
Yeah.
15:43
And I got used to this.
15:45
Yeah.
15:45
And I expect people, say, I people to help me.
15:47
I got in the point that it's kind of getting, I'm not getting better than
15:51
them. I pursue more.
15:53
Yeah.
15:53
And-
15:54
Yes
15:54
... they start like, "Ugh," and I don't like it.
15:56
You put in all the effort, consistency, and diligence,
16:00
and you sought out help from people who you knew were more of masters
16:04
of that skill set.
16:05
Right.
16:06
Were they doing that? They could do that.
16:07
They can do better because they have the conditions.
16:09
Yeah.
16:10
I came from having nothing and get something.
16:12
Yeah.
16:12
If they have something, they can do way more-
16:14
Yes
16:15
... and then just realize they, that's-
16:17
I live for that
16:18
... one thing I tell.
16:19
I make two circles, one circle, another circle.
16:23
I'm here,
16:24
and you are here on my circle. You should go over here in your
16:28
circle. So people take care of too much of other people's business, and then they
16:31
just like-
16:32
I draw this exact diagram for a lot of my
16:35
clients in my practice.
16:37
Yeah.
16:37
So I draw a circle.
16:38
Mm-hmm.
16:38
I'm like, "You are..." I put the person inside, you're inside the circle.
16:42
Anybody who's disruptive to your peace or, yeah, they get an arrow on the outside.
16:46
Yeah, that's the point. It's funny because people don't realize how
16:50
they let people interfere-
16:51
Yes
16:52
... in their life all the time.
16:53
Yeah.
16:53
All the time. I'm talking about all the time.
16:54
Constantly.
16:55
And the most people is the closest one.
16:57
Yeah.
16:57
Because they have people close to you, they really...
17:00
I would say, I love my mom-
17:02
Mm-hmm
17:02
... the woman of my life, but she was the one that always dragged me down for some
17:05
time because she need...
17:07
I was a very successful athlete.
17:09
Yeah.
17:10
She never like, "Ah, you're not a lawyer. You're not a doctor.
17:13
You're not a..." When I-
17:15
She had like a expect, like a vision for you-
17:17
When I came to college here-
17:18
... and you didn't live up to
17:19
... I came with a family store, because I went to college here from being the
17:22
only one in family doing college, full scholarship,
17:26
getting sports medicine,
17:29
and as an exercise science major. So I was a doctor.
17:33
Yeah.
17:33
They don't know.
17:34
Yeah.
17:34
I was the doctor of the family, so like, oh my God, my mom would brag.
17:37
"Oh, my son's going to be a doctor." And I was like...
17:40
So when I transferred, I went from Siloam Springs, Arkansas-
17:42
Okay.
17:44
... to-
17:44
Randall
17:45
... Cleveland, Ohio. Then I went to Cleveland, Ohio.
17:48
Then they didn't have sport medicine.
17:51
Mm-hmm.
17:52
Then I said, "You know what? I'm going to change my major." I have changed my major
17:55
because I was transferring schools and all that.
17:57
Yeah.
17:57
So I want to so I can finish college in play sports.
18:00
And then I did. Then I went to sport management, international business.
18:03
So I graduated in both.
18:06
Nah.
18:07
Wow.
18:07
That's nah.That my friend from my mom's like, "Ah, okay." I brought her
18:11
here so she would see me graduating and all that.
18:13
She happy with the situation, how we graduated, but I was not a doctor, dude.
18:18
So I totally understand where she-
18:21
I relate to you on that
18:22
... Yeah. I understand the background because she came from another poor family.
18:26
She made it
18:28
there, and then her husband put everything down, and she-
18:31
Yeah
18:32
... when she passed away, she passed away in a place that she was comfortable in
18:36
her life.
18:36
Yeah.
18:36
And I'm happy for that.
18:38
That's how I tell people, people
18:42
getting involved, and I was talking about the people interfering your dreams
18:46
all the time.
18:47
Oh, yeah.
18:47
No.
18:48
Totally.
18:48
I had it at home. I still have my sister doing this.
18:51
Some
18:55
random person come to me say, "I don't think you can do it." It's like, "Dude, my
18:58
sister think the same, and she's closer than you." And I proved to her that I can.
19:02
So-
19:02
Yeah
19:03
... your
19:05
perspective is not going to be my reality.
19:07
You can say-
19:07
It's like, "Thank you."
19:08
Yeah. Thank you. Bye.
19:08
Garbage. Yeah.
19:10
Yeah. That's pretty much how my mentality is built.
19:12
Yeah.
19:13
Built through fire. On the fire of impossible things.
19:16
There's a song that I love it.
19:18
I love that song already, and I don't even know it.
19:20
Yeah.
19:20
Yeah. It's surreal.
19:21
The name of the song is "Pressure Creates Kings."
19:25
I was forged in the fire of impossible things.
19:27
Yeah.
19:28
I have on my belly here, it says
19:31
the word impossible, but you scratch the
19:34
end, and it say, "I am possible."
19:35
Oh, that's fantastic.
19:37
That's what some friend of mine told me, like-
19:39
Yeah
19:39
... "Bro, you do everything, you do so good.
19:41
The word impossible doesn't work for you.
19:43
You should say to yourself, 'I am possible.'" I like that.
19:47
Yeah.
19:47
And I tattoo it here.
19:48
God.
19:49
Because I really feel like, as I said, I don't try to be better.
19:52
I don't try to put anybody down or be better than anybody else.
19:54
Yeah.
19:54
But I want to be the best.
19:55
Yeah. For you.
19:56
I focus on myself, the best for me.
19:57
Because your heart and soul needs it, and that's the fire that you're born with,
20:00
and all those experiences-
20:02
Yeah
20:02
... where people wanted you to feel less than, you're like, "No.
20:07
You just don't know me."
20:08
But that's why people ask me sometimes,
20:12
I feel some people can really
20:15
poke me.
20:16
Yeah.
20:17
But when I sit down and I realize why I get so stressed
20:20
about someone that if I compare with him-
20:24
Yeah
20:25
... I would see him as a cockroach.
20:26
Like what? Yes.
20:28
I'm not trying to put people down, but I mean-
20:29
No
20:30
... accomplishments, bro.
20:33
You can't talk to me, like-
20:34
Yeah. What are you doing?
20:36
I always try to hear things that put me up.
20:38
Yeah.
20:39
And I heard this thing that is great.
20:40
You can't hear advice from people that never built anything.
20:44
So true. Because the people, the builders, they're not talking about other people.
20:48
No.
20:48
They're actually building.
20:49
No.
20:49
They're too busy.
20:50
There's two things in people that talk too much, don't
20:54
do nothing.
20:54
Yeah.
20:55
People, they-
20:56
It's true
20:57
... do a lot, and they accomplish a lot.
20:59
They bring people that has potential close.
21:03
People that talk a lot-
21:04
Mm-hmm
21:04
... they don't do nothing for nobody, but and they want to make the, "Oh, you
21:07
should do this. You should do. Why don't you do it?" If that
21:10
advice was that good- ... you give it to your
21:14
son, you give to your-
21:15
Absolutely
21:16
... you make your environment better.
21:18
Yeah.
21:19
That's the same thing.
21:20
Yeah.
21:20
People that succeed brings people with them to succeed.
21:23
Yeah.
21:23
And that's how I always believe. I don't have a lot of friends.
21:27
I keep a really close-
21:28
Yeah. Same
21:29
... circle, and-
21:30
Yeah
21:30
... but I always try
21:32
to be,
21:35
if you ask me to say, I'll say it.
21:39
Mm-hmm.
21:39
It's not going to be something you're going to like it, but if you listen, you're
21:42
going to take it-
21:43
Brutal honesty
21:44
... Yeah. And that's the whole point about-
21:45
Yeah
21:46
... I have people around me that if they tell me something, oh, man, I got to
21:49
listen up because he's just like I am. Yeah.
21:51
Because you respect that person, that's why they're in your circle.
21:54
Totally.
21:54
Otherwise, no.
21:55
Otherwise,
21:56
even though sometimes you're going to run to people that you
22:00
trust, they're going to say something you don't like, but-
22:02
Yeah
22:03
... because it's-
22:04
Yeah. It does hurt
22:04
... everybody's limited at some point.
22:06
Yes.
22:06
So his limitation, he don't see you exceeding on that.
22:10
So if I say, "But that's your limitation."
22:12
Yeah.
22:12
Not mine.
22:13
Back to my story and all that.
22:15
Oh, yeah. I love that.
22:16
And that's how I was dreaming my whole life.
22:18
Mm-hmm.
22:18
And then when I moved here, I literally came with $3,000 to buy a car, sold
22:22
everything in Brazil to move here, make a life.
22:25
It didn't go as I expected, of course.
22:27
And then I had this guy, I would say the name, Justin, he's like,
22:31
"Hire me as Rio." I work at Rio for many shifts and for-
22:35
That is so cool
22:36
... Yeah. And then I was like, try to be a fighter and go competing.
22:39
I was doing all over.
22:40
Yeah.
22:41
And then, eventually I got another guy to help me.
22:44
He's a locksmith. He's
22:47
invited me to work his business. I worked with his business as a locksmith.
22:49
The life got better because locksmith makes good money.
22:51
Yeah.
22:52
And then it got to the point, and I was like, you know what?
22:54
He was the best in town for me. Sorry if it hurts someone.
22:58
But after a while, it wasn't
23:02
working out as much anymore-
23:03
Yeah
23:03
... because he was busy there. He lives in Texas, so it wasn't working much.
23:06
And I was like, "You know what? I've got to open my own."
23:09
And then tried to always grow onto him, and then always a sport
23:13
walking with me.
23:15
Gotten a point that I won the worlds in 2021 with jiu-jitsu, and I was like, "You
23:18
know what?"
23:19
That's so-
23:19
"I going to go to bodybuild."
23:21
Where does that take place? Is that in the US or what country?
23:25
All US. All here.
23:26
Okay.
23:27
All here.
23:27
Wow.
23:29
Okay, because this is a new world for me, and I want to learn all
23:33
the different industries and-
23:34
Yeah
23:35
... what it looks like to build up to that level.
23:38
The level of hits, essentially, that you have to take throughout.
23:42
Not people just doubting you, but all the
23:45
checkpoints. You
23:49
get knocked down. It's the getting back up-
23:52
Yeah
23:52
... that you respect yourself, and that you really learn that, okay, I have
23:56
a skill. I have what it takes to really get there.
24:00
Right.
24:00
And then there's training involved, and all of that along the way also costs a lot
24:03
of money. It costs a lot of energy.
24:06
It's insane.
24:07
And the day literally has 16 hours, I would
24:10
say, because you have to-
24:13
Wow.
24:13
So the day has 16 hours, so I have to do that in 16 hours.
24:17
Oh my gosh.
24:18
And it's like-
24:18
The actual competition day?
24:20
No, I mean the whole life.
24:22
Okay.
24:23
Life happens in 16 hours. Eight of the hours you're sleeping.
24:26
Competition takes
24:28
so much discipline on that, that it's hard for you to
24:32
co... You work, you train, you sleep, you eat good.
24:36
So when you're working and you're eating, sometimes doesn't get in the
24:40
same place.
24:41
Yeah.
24:41
In bodybuilding, you have to eat. My food's like-
24:43
Yeah
24:44
... morning, they have my foods all ready and everything.
24:46
Yes.
24:47
Sometimes when I don't want to be like, "Oh, man, I don't have my food today."
24:48
No, and then you're ravenous and making poor choices.
24:51
Yeah.
24:52
Yeah.
24:52
And then that's how,
24:54
for me, the point about, I would say about for the whole life-
24:57
Mm-hmm
24:57
... is about the discipline that-
24:59
Mm-hmm
24:59
... that I built through being down, to be-
25:02
Through the fire
25:02
... back like today. Yes. The discipline was something that I always put it to.
25:07
I'll ask someone that I really there.
25:10
Mm-hmm.
25:10
If I have the chance to reach someone over there.
25:11
So you reached out to people who you knew were already where you...
25:15
You just already identified, like, "This is where I want to go."
25:17
I want to be that guy.
25:18
Yes.
25:18
If I have the chance to meet that guy, I'm going to ask him-
25:20
Yeah
25:20
... "How did you get it done?"
25:22
So did you reach out to these people?
25:24
No. In some competition-
25:25
Yes
25:26
... I would say I would find their students or something like that.
25:28
I would say-
25:29
Yeah
25:29
... "How did you get that?"
25:30
I love this. This is what it looks like.
25:32
They say train.
25:33
Yeah.
25:34
And then when you get good, you train more.
25:36
Yeah.
25:36
So training-
25:36
But first you suck out terrible, and that's okay
25:38
... so training is the key.
25:42
Yeah.
25:42
You're going to train for everything. If you as a doctor, you have to train.
25:44
You have to train
25:46
to learn till you master it. And that's
25:50
the first lesson I had in life.
25:51
Mm-hmm.
25:51
I was like, "How do I get better at this?" I was white belt in jujitsu.
25:54
My coach said, "You get better."
25:55
Is that a starter belt?
25:57
Yeah.
25:58
And then you get better, and then when you
26:01
become good-
26:01
Yeah
26:02
... you got to get a lot better. And that's how my whole life motto is.
26:05
Everything I do, I'll have to be, "Okay, I know I'm going to struggle with this."
26:08
Yeah.
26:09
But the struggle's going to last-
26:13
Yeah
26:14
... the amount of
26:15
effort that I put in.
26:17
Yeah.
26:17
So the more effort I put it in, less suffer I will have.
26:20
Yes.
26:21
So that's how I did.
26:22
Yeah.
26:22
So when I come back to bodybuilding and I was like, "You know what?
26:25
I'm going to take a break from jujitsu. I'm going to focus on bodybuilding.
26:27
I'm going to train. I'm going to train because I want to do, just train to get
26:30
bigger."
26:30
Mm-hmm.
26:32
Training. Someone like, "Hey, you should compete."
26:34
I say, "Yeah, sure." I think then when I realized when...
26:37
I first said, "Nah, it's okay. I don't think I can."
26:40
Yeah.
26:40
But that was bothering my head. Why not? You can.
26:43
Why can't you?
26:44
That doesn't-
26:44
Yeah
26:45
... that's what, and I was like, "No."
26:46
Yeah.
26:46
Let's see how it is, and you start following, you start looking for people.
26:51
I was like, "Oh, I can be that."
26:53
Yeah.
26:53
Because a men's physique is like a shorts.
26:54
Yes.
26:55
So my back's big. Like- ... well, I just got to grow a little
26:59
bit. I can do that.
27:00
For the physique competition.
27:01
Yeah, men's physique. Yeah.
27:02
Yeah.
27:02
And I was like, "I'm going to start doing this." Start working hard, hard, hard.
27:06
Got someone to help me.
27:07
Uh-huh.
27:07
Sabi,
27:08
good friend of mine.
27:09
Love it.
27:10
Yeah. It's like
27:13
me and him training together. He's a men's physique, too, and then he was like,
27:16
"Help me."
27:18
Got set up my first show.
27:22
Yeah.
27:22
Okay. First show will be August 17.
27:25
Which category, because I understand-
27:26
Men's physique.
27:26
Okay, men's physique.
27:27
Men's physique.
27:27
Oh, so I said it right the first time. Okay. Yeah.
27:30
So then I was just like, "You know what I'm going to do?" Then I got into this
27:33
really serious about it.
27:35
And that's more like a natural look. Is that what how you did now?
27:38
Not anymore. Used to be. Used to be like a body,
27:42
like a beach body.
27:44
Yes, beach body.
27:45
Yeah. It's not as much anymore, but-
27:47
Okay
27:47
... it's getting a little more muscular.
27:50
Yeah.
27:51
So then I was like, "I better do the first show." I did
27:54
my first show.
27:56
I did three categories. I did over
28:00
35, open,
28:03
and novice, I think. I won two of them, and open I got third.
28:07
Wow. That's great.
28:08
And then I was like, "Wow, that's great third for..." I think it was third or
28:11
fourth in open, but open is the main one.
28:14
I was like, "Oh my God."
28:15
Are there sponsorships that can come from that?
28:17
They can come. Now they come more.
28:20
Yeah.
28:21
But the beginning, no.
28:22
Mm-hmm.
28:23
You're going to pay a lot.
28:24
Mm-hmm.
28:24
And then not a lot of athletes going to have sponsors, and it's a hard
28:28
industry.
28:28
Yeah.
28:29
Then I got
28:31
start competing again,
28:33
competed my second show, and then I qualified to Mr. Olympia in 2024.
28:37
Oh, wow.
28:37
And then I was like, "You know what?
28:39
I qualified for it." "I'm going to train, and I go in."
28:42
That's-
28:42
So I went to Mr. Olympia, got ninth place.
28:45
That's awesome.
28:45
And I was like, "Ninth place? I can win this next year." That's
28:49
2024. I can win next year. Came right back home.
28:53
Train, train.
28:54
Yeah.
28:54
Focus.
28:56
2025 came,
28:59
went to my competition,
29:01
got fourth.
29:02
Wow.
29:03
And I was like, "Ah." But the point is that's the situation about
29:07
my fourth.
29:08
So
29:10
my first show,
29:12
more than a year ago, the day of my show, I got my first show, first
29:17
person I call,
29:18
my mom.
29:19
She was having a stroke on the phone.
29:22
Like an actual stroke?
29:23
She was having a stroke on the phone.
29:24
She was literally talking like no sense and all that.
29:27
I was like, and I look in there like-
29:30
Oh my God
29:31
... "Oh, it's not doing good." Then I call my sister, and it's a big situation.
29:34
Okay. Then she found out she had a stroke.
29:38
Then I had my second show,
29:40
and I had to, okay, got to keep doing.
29:42
Yeah.
29:43
And Olympia came, ninth place, and she's already had the stroke.
29:46
That was the whole year.
29:48
Yeah.
29:48
Whole year. I went, and then I could go to-
29:50
That's tough
29:50
... Brazil in February to see her.
29:52
Yeah.
29:52
Saw her. Then Olympia's approaching.
29:57
August 20, my mom passed away.
29:58
Oh.
30:00
Yeah.
30:01
I am so sorry.
30:02
Yeah.
30:02
What year was that?
30:04
Last year.
30:04
Last year. Oh my gosh.
30:05
A month before Olympia.
30:07
Oh my gosh.
30:08
And I had to make a decision.
30:10
Yeah.
30:11
I went back. I was like, "Am I going to just
30:15
focus on this situation or-I'm going to keep training and... No.
30:19
My mom would lie to me and she would say, "Don't quit."
30:22
Yeah.
30:23
I went back,
30:24
took her up. I was literally, when she was
30:28
laying on her cask-
30:29
Yeah
30:30
... I was eating my prep.
30:32
Literally, because if that's the point, she made a winner.
30:36
Because you're serious about it, right? You took yourself seriously.
30:39
Totally.
30:40
You committed to it, and then you were all in.
30:43
That's what it takes.
30:44
Yeah, that's what it takes for you-
30:45
Yeah
30:45
... to try. It's not getting to the success.
30:48
Yeah.
30:48
Success is a to get a chance to try-
30:51
Yes
30:51
... you have to be all in or you're going to be-
30:53
If you're going to fail something, respect yourself-
30:55
I failed trying
30:55
... yeah, fail trying, really all in.
30:58
Mm-hmm.
30:58
I gave it my actual best, and then-
31:01
Yeah
31:01
... I wasn't good enough. I want to be not good enough in that level.
31:05
And then what happened, then
31:07
I was prepping, I was doing everything.
31:10
We bury her 4:00.
31:12
Oh.
31:12
I went straight to the gym.
31:14
Oh my gosh.
31:15
That was the...
31:17
Sorry.
31:17
No, that's hard.
31:20
That was the...
31:21
It's hard to talk about.
31:22
Yeah, that's huge.
31:24
That was the best training of my life.
31:27
At the same time, it was the worst,
31:30
because I literally zero every machine.
31:33
Every machine is zero, and I was so angry that I was like, "I'm going to do
31:37
that for her."
31:39
So
31:40
I came back, and then I kept training and all that, got fourth.
31:44
That felt like first for-
31:46
Oh my God.
31:48
And then that felt like-
31:48
That's such a way
31:49
... first place for me because I remember getting the medal, and I put her
31:52
name right here.
31:54
Wow.
31:54
So as soon as I got the medal, I saw her name and started crying.
31:56
And that's like-
31:57
Oh my God
31:57
... literally like-
31:59
But that year was even harder. You already had hard, and then it just got
32:02
harder, and you got stronger.
32:04
Mm-hmm.
32:05
That's the answer.
32:05
And then after that, what I did-
32:07
God
32:07
... I was like, "You know what?
32:09
I got fourth,
32:11
but I'm not satisfied."
32:13
And my friend say, "Bro, you got to grieve your mom." It's like,
32:17
"No, I got to honor my mom." I grieve her every day.
32:21
And so
32:24
when I'm on the gym, I literally relieving pain, feeling more pain,
32:28
if that makes sense.
32:29
It does.
32:30
So the point is,
32:32
after that,
32:34
and I told him, "Nothing in life is going to be heavier
32:39
and harder than carrying her cask to her grave."
32:43
Oh my God.
32:44
I tell people,
32:46
"She signed my birth certificate.
32:48
I signed her
32:50
death certificate."
32:51
Oh.
32:52
She choose my first clothes. I chose her last.
32:56
Oh my goodness.
32:58
So-
32:59
That's powerful
32:59
... the show must go on.
33:00
Yeah.
33:00
Like Freddie Mercury-
33:01
It does
33:02
... my
33:03
biggest artist that I love, Freddie Mercury say-
33:06
Yeah
33:06
... "The show must go on."
33:07
Yeah.
33:07
It's going to go.
33:08
It's going to go on.
33:09
Yeah.
33:09
So you can't just sit there and get left.
33:11
And then I went right straight back to gym, training, moved back
33:15
to Bakersfield. I was living in Long Beach at the time.
33:17
So I moved back to Bakersfield, training, training, training, training, training.
33:20
A lot of situations because since I moved here, I'm restarting over here.
33:23
Yep.
33:24
So financially, everything,
33:26
things overwhelming-
33:27
Yeah
33:27
... everything. I paid a lot of stuff for my mom's funeral, so-
33:30
Yeah
33:31
... it was a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
33:32
Yeah.
33:33
So I got back, and then
33:36
being here, keep training, trying to find a sponsor for me to go.
33:40
So I decide I'm going to go to Arnold Classic.
33:43
And I'm going to win.
33:44
That's really cool. Yeah.
33:45
And I was training, training. Since Olympia, I was training, training, training.
33:48
Yeah.
33:48
But I'm putting my head in December, I'm going to go to Arnold Classic.
33:50
Yeah.
33:51
Kept training, training, training. Didn't have nothing paid.
33:55
Everything was, "God's going to provide."
33:58
Yeah. It's just... Yep.
34:00
I'd say, "If I do whatever I can-
34:02
Mm-hmm
34:02
... to control that-
34:03
Yeah
34:04
... God's going to provide."
34:05
Yeah.
34:05
I just got to believe.
34:06
Yeah.
34:06
And I did, keep working.
34:08
Yep.
34:08
Literally, four days before I go,
34:11
I got a sponsor to go.
34:13
Oh, I love that.
34:14
Yeah, it was like I was going anyways, but it was
34:18
really hard. But then the sponsor came, Flame and Fire, thank you.
34:23
And it was like
34:24
helping me.
34:25
And I went, trained
34:29
for a few days there. Well, I think I trained twice over there. Competed.
34:33
Yeah.
34:33
I won my division, and I won the overall division.
34:38
I want to clap, but I don't want to hurt everyone's ears.
34:41
So what's funny about the winning is-
34:44
Yeah
34:44
... and love it. Love it. No, I got what I
34:48
wanted to. But you know what? For the first time that I thought my moms
34:51
was with me-
34:52
What?
34:53
Because remember that song I told you about, the "High Hopes"?
34:55
Mm-hmm.
34:56
When I was going in to be announced as the winner of my division, that song
35:00
started playing.
35:02
It was organic to play.
35:03
Really.
35:03
It just happened. I thought, "Oh."
35:04
As a Men's Physique, we don't choose the song.
35:06
Yeah.
35:06
We pick a song. Classic Physique and Open Bodybuilding, they have a
35:10
song they perform on.
35:12
Right.
35:13
As a Men's Physique, you could just walk in and someone,
35:15
Lady Gaga, whatever is playing.
35:16
That is just so crazy, but it's not crazy.
35:19
So many songs to be played.
35:20
There's no accidents.
35:22
So many
35:23
songs in the world to be played.
35:24
Yeah.
35:25
Your song.
35:27
On the most important time of my life at the moment was being played with that
35:31
song. I
35:33
showed that to my mom years ago because the lyrics is like everything she tells me.
35:37
So I got my... And then I go in, and I see like give me
35:41
the warming, but at the same time, all everyone was like- ... "Really?
35:45
It's my time?" It's like literally I said, "Look." Because some more guys
35:49
there.
35:49
Yeah.
35:50
So I didn't know who was going to win.
35:51
You're like, "Is this it for me?"
35:52
Yeah, it's like-
35:53
Oh my gosh
35:54
... song plays, I was like, "Is that a sign?
35:57
Am I going to win?" And then they announce me as the winner of the division, and so
36:01
I come out,
36:03
and they say, "We have the overall now," which is the over-
36:05
Yeah
36:07
... they call me, and then
36:10
right before they announce my name-
36:14
... there's a part of the song,
36:17
I won't remember the part now,
36:19
butMm-mm.
36:27
I won't now that it's off of my head.
36:28
It's okay. I know you're on the spot in this.
36:29
That part of the song played right, and they called that,
36:34
and they call my name as a winner.
36:37
Oh my gosh.
36:37
And at that time, I thought, "She's here."
36:40
She is.
36:40
Yeah. She is here.
36:41
That is just so crazy.
36:43
Yeah,
36:44
the victory was amazing.
36:47
It's almost like your body, and I've had those just strange
36:51
moments where I'm like, "This is just my moment to me." It's a message that
36:55
I just needed to experience. But then I'm like, my body, I feel
36:59
I
37:00
think I can't even handle it.
37:01
Well, why not? That's the point.
37:03
Yeah.
37:04
You're already telling yourself you can, so you might be able to.
37:06
Yeah. It was like joy and-
37:09
And there's a, I don't know who said that, but it says, "If you think you can-
37:12
Yeah
37:12
... you're right.
37:13
If you think you cannot, you're right."
37:16
So that's why I never put the not in my anything.
37:18
That's good.
37:19
If I put it on-
37:20
Yeah
37:20
... it's going to be it. There's no plan Bs. That's how it's going to be.
37:23
Yeah.
37:23
All in, plan A. We don't work with plan B.
37:26
Mad respect. I so admire all of that, and I love the fire
37:30
that drove you to the places that people told you you could
37:34
never be at, and that's like-
37:36
They still-
37:37
Of course
37:37
... even now they still say like, "Oh my God, that was blah, blah, blah." It's
37:41
like-
37:41
Yeah
37:42
... sorry.
37:43
They're going to hate to hear it.
37:43
Sorry, but Arnold Classic and Mr. Olympia are the
37:47
biggest competition in the world,
37:49
and I already have medals on it. Doesn't matter what division I'm at.
37:53
I love that.
37:54
You have what? What do you have?
37:55
Where's yours?
37:56
You have talk.
37:56
Yeah.
37:57
You talk the talk.
37:58
Yeah.
37:58
Sorry, I'm here to walk the walk.
38:00
Right? Yeah.
38:01
That's it. And then that's-
38:02
Yeah
38:02
... what I tell people. I don't want to be here to be better than that guy.
38:06
It's not about them.
38:07
It's not about them.
38:08
If you're looking that way, then you're not focused.
38:09
No, that's about the circle I say.
38:11
Yeah.
38:11
There's a circle that if I think about doing this because of them, I'm on their
38:14
lives.
38:15
Yeah. Exactly.
38:16
They're never going to be in the same-
38:18
Yeah. Decisions are made-
38:19
Yeah
38:19
... by looking at the goal and just targeting that-
38:22
Yeah
38:22
... completely.
38:23
Every decision I make has a consequence on my life.
38:26
Yeah.
38:27
I don't put anybody on the line for me.
38:28
Right.
38:29
That's my choice.
38:31
Yeah.
38:31
My consequence.
38:32
Yes.
38:33
That's my choice. We're going to suffer together. No.
38:35
I will suffer here, then you come along later.
38:37
We suffer together.
38:38
No, you come along later.
38:39
Oh.
38:39
That's
38:42
how it's been my whole life pretty much.
38:44
And then
38:45
one thing I've been stuck for years, and now I became a trainer of the peptides.
38:49
Okay.
38:50
And then I-
38:50
Yeah, Justin just mentioned that.
38:52
So, yeah
38:53
... I have a company, a peptides company, but barely open.
38:56
I have a sponsor.
38:58
Okay.
38:59
And I have a company now.
39:01
Okay.
39:01
Just starting, barely starting.
39:03
Yeah.
39:03
And that's why I say the-
39:05
They're life-changing, right?
39:06
I love it.
39:06
It makes sense.
39:07
But I've been using for a
39:09
little bit.
39:09
Yeah.
39:10
And what people don't realize, now that I became a trainer, everybody wants to use
39:13
it, but it's been there for so long.
39:15
Yeah.
39:15
People don't know. Insulin, years, like-
39:18
I know
39:18
... '69 or something like that.
39:19
It's like they're just-
39:20
I think more than-
39:20
... giving that term-
39:21
It's the oldest one
39:22
... for people to understand and really put that into a therapy.
39:26
Yeah.
39:26
That's, I think, correct.
39:27
People think a lot of peptides are
39:30
steroids, which-
39:31
Yes
39:32
... which is nothing related-
39:34
No
39:34
... to.
39:34
Right.
39:35
So yeah. It's a big taboo. People are still like, "Ah, I don't want to
39:39
inject myself." I don't know. Well, that's the way it works.
39:41
Well, right.
39:43
But I've been doing that challenge now-
39:47
Yes
39:47
... being a peptides one, but I've been satisfied for years.
39:50
Yeah.
39:51
And I love that-
39:53
They're game changers.
39:54
Oh, yeah, totally.
39:55
Yeah.
39:55
And that's why,
39:56
for the Arnold, I use more peptides
40:00
than PEDs actually.
40:01
Wow.
40:02
Which my body respond a lot better.
40:04
Okay, so in the industry, you don't say PEDs?
40:07
That term does not-
40:09
Yeah, PED, I wouldn't say.
40:10
Okay.
40:10
Yeah.
40:10
So that's not peptides.
40:12
So you wouldn't use that term for, like, the...
40:14
Because I'm-
40:15
Steroids.
40:16
Oh, PEDs.
40:18
Performance-enhancing drugs.
40:19
Enhancement drugs.
40:20
Yeah.
40:20
So that term is only for steroids.
40:22
Mostly. Yeah.
40:23
Okay.
40:23
Peptides is totally, we have-
40:25
I'm learning the language.
40:26
Yeah. We have peptides on us, so it's just something we built.
40:29
Yeah.
40:29
It's like it's different from-
40:30
Totally agree
40:31
... injecting something from outside.
40:32
Yes.
40:32
So that's what comes up for us.
40:33
That area.
40:33
Yeah.
40:34
Okay.
40:35
But yeah, that's the goal. But for me, it's a game changer because I'm
40:40
not a big fan of
40:43
raw steroids.
40:44
Yeah.
40:44
But-
40:45
Like the classic, very anabolic
40:46
... that's what it takes to get where I wanted to be.
40:49
Yeah.
40:49
But since I put the peptides in,
40:52
as I said, that's a game changer.
40:54
Yes.
40:54
I feel so much better. I feel so-
40:56
Much better
40:57
... much better.
40:57
Yeah.
40:58
Where is my, it sleeps with me.
41:00
Yeah.
41:01
It's like,
41:03
love that.
41:04
Yeah, it's a game changer.
41:05
It is.
41:06
It really is fantastic. I love that one as well.
41:08
And then I heard the FDA is actually-
41:11
I think it's going to progress
41:14
... No, they already
41:16
approved-
41:17
Okay
41:17
... BP-
41:19
Oh, they did?
41:20
Yeah, they did.
41:21
Oh, wow.
41:21
BP 57.
41:24
Let's see.
41:26
CJG.
41:27
CJC.
41:27
Yeah.
41:29
There's some, now it's my-
41:31
I'll have to look that up someday. That must have just happened.
41:33
Yeah, it's going to be more accessible.
41:35
Good.
41:36
By the end of this year, in nature, so it'll be more pharmaceutical stuff.
41:40
Which I don't agree much because sometimes they change a little bit.
41:42
Yeah.
41:43
But more access means that they want to prove the longevity
41:47
part.
41:48
Yeah.
41:48
So don't expect Redda or other.
41:51
But for me, as a peptider,
41:54
I would say I research it.
41:55
I like that, yeah. Peptider.
41:58
I'm not a fan of GLP-1 and 2.
42:01
Yeah.
42:02
Because if you take-
42:03
They make you skinny.
42:04
Yeah. No-
42:05
They make you muscle
42:06
... when it comes to build, you lose body weight.
42:09
Yes.
42:10
Okay? But body weight means muscle, bone density,
42:14
and fat.
42:15
Everything, yeah.
42:15
So you're going to shrink.
42:17
Yes.
42:17
You're going to look like a burned candle.
42:20
But you're going to be skinny.
42:21
Yeah.
42:21
Redda,
42:23
when it comes to glucagon, which is a different part from the GLP-1 and
42:26
2-Glucagon is going to help you to keep your muscles, and you look
42:30
healthy.
42:31
Yes.
42:31
You don't look like a cancer patient or something like that.
42:34
And it prevents that drop in energy that people-
42:37
And that's the least of what Retta can do.
42:39
Yeah.
42:39
I can research so much about Retta.
42:42
Retta is a brain reset.
42:45
Yeah.
42:47
Even the organs, like say TB 500 is the one that resets organs and everything.
42:51
Not only.
42:52
Yeah.
42:52
Retta has that component too.
42:55
Yeah.
42:55
It's going to be more and more.
42:57
Right.
42:57
I'm a huge fan myself of Retta-
43:00
Yeah
43:00
... and SOUPP.
43:02
Oh.
43:04
Okay, so what do you like about that one?
43:05
Because it's really, I think, getting a lot more attention, and I've heard people
43:09
say-
43:09
A lot of people don't know about it.
43:10
Yeah.
43:10
A lot of people are using it the way that it's not supposed to.
43:13
Yeah.
43:13
You
43:14
have to realize,
43:17
SOUPP is going to make your pancreas burn more fat and all
43:21
that.
43:21
Mm-hmm.
43:21
Same thing I read about it in a different way, but it's going to be like a
43:24
thermogenic from peptides.
43:26
Okay.
43:26
We call that cardio pill.
43:28
Okay.
43:29
SOUPP-
43:29
Do you feel, like, more racy, like your heart, like you're exercising?
43:31
No, you don't have that problem.
43:33
Yeah.
43:33
You don't have that, like if you take clenbuterol-
43:35
Uh-huh
43:35
... it's not going to be hard, right?
43:36
Yes, like amphetamine.
43:37
It's danger.
43:38
Yeah.
43:38
Yeah, it's not going to get to that point.
43:40
Yeah.
43:40
But you will feel warm. You'll feel like, "Oh, my God."
43:44
Okay. Flush.
43:44
Yeah, you're going to be flush. You're going to feel-
43:46
It gives you a dilation, like vasodilation.
43:47
Yeah, you're going to feel like that.
43:48
So people take too much, and then you feel, "Oh, I feel sick." Yeah, you're taking
43:52
like- ... you're supposed to take like 250 milligrams max, 500.
43:55
You're taking two milligrams.
43:57
Yeah.
43:58
They don't see a microgram difference-
44:00
Yeah
44:00
... from microgram to milligrams.
44:01
Oh, yeah.
44:02
And it's like they take two milligrams when they're supposed to take like 250-
44:05
That's what I'm saying
44:06
... micrograms.
44:06
It's like, yeah.
44:08
You're overdosing on something that's in the pump. It's not going to help.
44:11
Yeah.
44:11
You're wasting money because it's not cheap.
44:13
Yeah.
44:14
So you're wasting money.
44:15
Yeah.
44:15
There's a lot of consequences that people, they come talk with me,
44:19
it's like, "I can't help you, but you got to listen to me."
44:23
Yeah.
44:23
Don't be like a bodybuilder. There's three types of
44:27
things that bodybuilders do.
44:28
Okay, let's hear it.
44:29
Let's have a coach, right?
44:30
Okay.
44:30
Have a coach. The coach is going to say,
44:32
"You're going to do this, this, and this."
44:34
Okay.
44:34
There's a dosage that the bodybuilding do.
44:37
There's a dose that the
44:41
coach told him to do. And
44:44
the dose that he says that he do.
44:47
So there's three different things.
44:48
So it's, "Oh, I do a little bit."
44:50
Yeah.
44:51
A little bit means a lot a bit, that he's telling you it's a little bit.
44:53
Yeah.
44:54
So that's a little thing about, is people doing the same thing with the peptide.
44:56
Yeah.
44:57
But peptides is something really new-
44:58
Mm-hmm
44:58
... even for bodybuilding. And if you don't take care of yourself on a point that
45:02
you're finishing your prep-
45:04
Yeah
45:04
... it's going to mess up your whole show.
45:06
You're going to look
45:07
dense.
45:08
Weird.
45:08
You're going to look weird there.
45:09
Yeah.
45:09
You're going to look wet. Wet means it has no definition.
45:11
Yes.
45:12
You got to be careful.
45:13
Yes.
45:13
Even for every single sport.
45:14
Yeah.
45:15
Even for
45:16
some people go, "I'm using CJC, ipamorelin before I run." It's like,
45:20
why?
45:23
It's not pre-workout.
45:24
It's not.
45:25
It's not going to burn more fat and be-
45:26
Right
45:26
... also just because you're doing it before.
45:28
Yeah.
45:29
You have certain time that you have to do it.
45:30
Uh-huh.
45:31
For example, IGF-1, a lot of people, "Oh, I'm doing IGF-1."
45:35
Oh.
45:35
You know that you're doing GH,
45:37
a part of GH responsible for growth.
45:40
Mm-hmm.
45:40
And you have a time to do that. So the best time to do,
45:45
not
45:46
saying how people how to do it or not, but-
45:47
Yeah
45:48
... it should be at night-
45:48
Yeah
45:49
... before you go to bed.
45:49
Yeah, fasted.
45:50
Or maybe in the morning, but I would say at night.
45:52
Yeah.
45:52
Or after you work out.
45:53
Yeah.
45:53
Okay. But not before a
45:56
run, not for-
45:58
That would be strange. I wouldn't even think to do that, and I can't think of any
46:01
benefit that-
46:01
People think because if you do that before you work out-
46:04
Yeah
46:04
... or before you run, it's going to produce more.
46:07
But you're doing actually the opposite.
46:08
When you-
46:09
Right
46:09
... work out, you're burning more.
46:11
Yeah.
46:11
So why use a component that going to make you-
46:12
You put yourself into more catabolic.
46:15
Pretty much.
46:15
Yeah.
46:15
Because more like, your muscles has to work somehow.
46:18
Yeah.
46:18
So
46:19
let's burn that because,
46:21
and you're literally putting water in a cup with a hole.
46:25
Yeah.
46:26
It's like, well, if you have the money to waste, it's fine.
46:29
Yeah.
46:30
I would say peptides in the long term- ... it won't kill you.
46:34
It actually going to get you longer. But if you have time to waste like that.
46:38
Do you like MOD-SR?
46:40
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
46:41
I was just-
46:42
In MOD-SR, yeah. That's what you want
46:42
... I couldn't find my dose with that.
46:44
I felt like, okay, so number one, my first mistake, taking that at night.
46:48
And so
46:49
Yeah, take it in the morning. You won't sleep if you take at night.
46:52
I know. I was just so excited. I didn't want to wait, and I was like, "Ah."
46:55
Don't do that.
46:55
Oh my God.
46:56
No, you don't.
46:57
Yeah.
46:57
And that's the point. I don't know. It's not thermogenic.
47:01
It's not a-
47:04
It's an exercise mimetic.
47:04
But it does something that makes you feel more, "I
47:08
want to do run right now."
47:10
Yes. I was so energetic.
47:12
Yeah.
47:12
Yeah.
47:12
That's why I say take in the morning.
47:14
Yeah.
47:14
I would ask, yes, as tester, there's people that are, "I'm going to start
47:17
peptides."
47:18
Yeah.
47:18
And I tell them, "Okay. You want to start peptides?
47:20
What you want to take?"
47:23
What do you want to take?
47:23
"What do you want to perform? What do you want to-
47:25
Yeah
47:25
... be better at?" "I work all day. I need the energy." I say, "Okay.
47:29
In the morning, you're going to take some MOD-SR first."
47:31
Mm-hmm.
47:31
Take for a while.
47:32
Mm-hmm.
47:32
And the receptors, we don't know because there's not a lot of research about-
47:36
Yeah
47:37
... about peptides. We don't know how long they last or how long
47:40
they'll be in your body to stop working.
47:43
From what I've read, it's more like four hours. It's very short.
47:46
Yeah. No, I mean, but when you take it-
47:47
Yeah
47:48
... if you take like for eight weeks-
47:50
Yeah
47:50
... 10 weeks.
47:51
I see. Mm-hmm.
47:51
After that, how are your receptors going to be still getting it?
47:55
You're doing 10 IUs or something.
47:57
Eight weeks, I wouldn't. Eight weeks and you stopped it,
47:59
you shouldn't cause any problem.
48:00
You definitely shouldn't. No, I mean, not about the stopping, but if you keep doing
48:03
it or you're blasting.
48:04
Oh, yeah. If you kept-
48:05
If you keep blasting-
48:05
Yeah
48:06
... at some point, it's not going to work anymore.
48:07
Yeah.
48:07
And that's why if-
48:08
Exactly
48:08
... people, "I want to do that, but I don't want to stop."
48:10
Yeah.
48:10
You have to change substance.
48:12
Yeah.
48:12
You do the MOD-SR for a while.
48:13
Exactly right. Yeah.
48:14
After that, take a month out.
48:15
Yeah.
48:16
Take a month out.
48:17
Yes.
48:17
It's important. People take one month at least out.
48:20
Yeah.
48:21
Your body needs to leave too. It's not-
48:23
Yeah
48:23
... your body can... Our body is a perfect machine-
48:26
Yes
48:26
... but it can get comfortableIf you get something in-
48:28
No, it does
48:29
... you get something in-
48:30
Yeah
48:31
... you don't stop, okay, I'm doing.
48:32
Yeah.
48:32
Just don't do. And then when you don't stop, they go-- And then who knows?
48:36
At peptides being new for the society-
48:38
Yeah
48:39
... one day, in five years, you stop it, and your body don't produce anymore,
48:42
you're going to feel right away.
48:43
Yeah.
48:43
The crash.
48:44
That would be the risk if you had to take certain things without any pulse, like
48:48
stopping it.
48:49
Right.
48:49
Yeah.
48:50
And then, after MOTS-c, you would say SS31-
48:52
Okay
48:52
... because the SS31 is more complete than MOTS-c.
48:55
Okay.
48:55
So I would say, then after, so if you feel like you run, you want to run
48:59
on MOTS-c. SS31, you want to fly.
49:03
You say, "I think I can fly."
49:05
Oh my gosh. I think I would panic.
49:06
No, it's not going to get... But you feel like you-
49:08
Yeah
49:09
... you just went through the day.
49:10
Like, I want to do things. I just want to-
49:11
You went through the day like...
49:13
Huh.
49:13
I remember back in the day, I was the same thing, and I would
49:17
feel tired. But right now, I feel like I wanted to just keep going and- ...
49:20
something else to do there, I want to do it.
49:23
See, literally, for me, it was like that.
49:25
I've never been a lazy person, but I-
49:27
Yeah
49:27
... feel the difference. And I always ask people that ask me for help or something
49:31
like-
49:31
Yeah
49:32
... "Let me know how it feels so I know."
49:33
Yeah.
49:34
And that's-
49:35
It sounds like it's overriding that internal resistance that would otherwise like
49:38
that, "I'm tired, but I'm going to do it anyway."
49:41
Yeah.
49:41
Yeah.
49:41
It gives it more drive.
49:43
Yeah. More drive.
49:43
For sure.
49:44
Yeah.
49:44
For sure. Yeah. But it's a lot of, as every,
49:47
not drug, but every substance you take is a consequence for if taken a lot.
49:51
Like if you drink a bottle of vodka is-
49:53
Totally
49:53
... or if you drink a shot-
49:54
Yes
49:55
... it has consequences for the-
49:57
Yeah.
49:57
So
49:58
less side effects, for sure, but-
50:00
Uh-huh
50:01
... some people don't like to be in nausea.
50:02
Some people don't like to have, you're going to have a headache sometimes.
50:07
But that's how, it's not even the peptides problem.
50:09
Yeah.
50:10
How are you eating?
50:11
No, really. Yeah.
50:12
How are you sleeping?
50:12
Or the blood pressure.
50:14
Right, so-
50:14
I think blood pressure is like a lot of the-
50:15
Elevates
50:16
Yeah.
50:16
Elevates, yeah. IGF-1 could elevate-
50:20
Yeah, your sugar.
50:21
And
50:22
good thing about Rare and SOPP, they kind of
50:26
helps.
50:27
Keep it. It's amazing. It's beautiful.
50:28
Yeah, it keeps almost the same.
50:29
Yeah.
50:29
And I saw people that had hypertension-
50:32
Mm-hmm
50:33
... and they're taking SOPP for a month.
50:36
Mm-hmm.
50:36
They made a blood test, and for first time in 20
50:40
years,
50:42
they were even taking meds, and they were still a little high.
50:45
Yeah.
50:46
Took a SOPP because they want to lose weight.
50:49
Has to do a lot of losing weight, too.
50:51
Do you call that one SLOP? I think I've heard it called-
50:53
I've always SLOP, SOPP.
50:54
Yeah. Yeah, SLOP.
50:55
Yeah. And then after a month, he was like literally
50:59
124/80. It's that.
51:02
That's fantastic.
51:03
It's like, I don't have that since I was in-
51:05
Wow
51:06
... like middle school. Like-
51:08
Geez
51:09
... and he's a hypertensive
51:11
patient.
51:12
Yeah.
51:12
And I was like, "That's how amazing SOPP is." I think the two
51:16
peptides that's going to take-
51:17
Hmm
51:17
... the industry a lot.
51:19
Yes.
51:19
Rare and SOPP. People are going to have to find out more about like, I'm a
51:23
huge advocate for SOPP because I've been taking, because
51:27
I love it. Besides for you're going to lose weight.
51:30
I forget, but isn't that like a growth hormone analog?
51:31
I for- Or what was the first-
51:33
SOPP is the, I don't know, right now, in my top of my head, I don't know anything.
51:36
Feel like, it's okay. I'll actually... I'm going to look right now.
51:39
Okay.
51:40
Yeah.
51:40
And but yeah. SOPP,
51:42
for me, it's the
51:45
game changer on even the cardio. If you want to do cardio, I hate cardio.
51:48
Was close.
51:48
I'm going to-
51:49
Right, I know. Me too.
51:50
And then, but I want to do cardio with the SOPP.
51:52
I'm like, "Oh, it's been, oh, it's been 40 minutes?
51:55
Oh, good, almost done."
51:56
SLOP molecule, this one I feel like
51:59
I never really got into. It doesn't get in the medical side of things.
52:02
Right.
52:03
It doesn't come up as much. But
52:05
yeah, there's just really awesome things that I'm hearing back from
52:09
people in the industry.
52:10
No, SOPP has a good thing about nobody has
52:13
evidence of side effects or some bad stuff going on in it, like Rare.
52:17
Oh, exercise mimetic. Okay.
52:20
Okay, looks like-
52:21
Oh, I couldn't tell. No, I'm sorry. I couldn't tell if you're taking a break.
52:24
Oh, no, I was looking up SLOP.
52:27
It's okay.
52:28
Sarah's here to grab your phone. She's-
52:30
Okay. Here you go. It's okay, we're living real life.
52:32
It is.
52:33
You guys get to enjoy this. This is just a-
52:35
Is that her?
52:35
... part of the fun.
52:36
It's a call.
52:36
Yeah. It's a real talk.
52:38
It's a real lifestyle.
52:39
We act-- I actually have a job.
52:43
Yeah. My nurse, Sarah, she's actually got to answer my phone because I'm not
52:47
looking at it really.
52:48
That's good.
52:48
So yeah, exercise mimetic, that makes sense, and that's probably why you're saying
52:51
like you feel like you fly with-
52:53
Oh, yeah
52:53
... SLOP, and then the lesser version of that would be-
52:56
Of that MOTS-c and then-
52:58
Yeah
52:58
... SS31.
53:00
Okay.
53:00
Two of them. Yeah. They're-
53:01
Okay
53:01
... similar, but then the SS31 I would say is more,
53:05
I don't like to say complete because they're both pretty good.
53:08
Uh-huh.
53:08
But I would say they both overcome any ID-
53:11
Okay
53:11
... tops. Like-
53:12
Man
53:13
... the ID is great.
53:14
Yeah.
53:14
So people that start, even my girl, Laura. Hi.
53:17
So-
53:18
Hi, Laura
53:19
... she
53:21
start taking any ID.
53:22
Mm-hmm.
53:23
And so she don't like much injection and all this.
53:26
No.
53:27
Started with any ID because she works a lot.
53:29
Mm-hmm.
53:29
I was like, "Take any ID, let's see how it goes."
53:32
You're saying NAD?
53:33
NAD.
53:33
Okay.
53:34
Yeah.
53:34
Mm-hmm.
53:35
NAD+.
53:36
Yeah.
53:36
And then
53:37
she start taking that.
53:38
Uh-huh.
53:38
She feel better, better, better. I say, "Okay, let's go." Right now-
53:42
Yeah
53:42
... she ran out. I was, she was the one who take it.
53:44
Yeah.
53:45
Now take the... Now you can go for, I was taking SS31.
53:48
Mm-hmm.
53:49
Take SS31. She didn't realize, but she was like, she's already-
53:53
... high-functioning person. She works.
53:55
She's a school teacher for-
53:58
That's cool
53:58
... an esthetician. She-
53:59
Yeah
54:00
...
54:01
all over the place.
54:01
Yeah.
54:01
She opened her own business now. It's her place. She was working at home.
54:05
Yeah.
54:05
And so she's
54:07
a lot multitasking.
54:08
That's fantastic.
54:09
Multitasks.
54:09
And it's not like it's euphoric. It's not like your mental state is
54:13
altered. It's just you have
54:16
real energy.
54:17
But that's what people don't realize.
54:18
Your mitochondria.
54:18
They think, "Oh, you're going to take a Red Bull, and it's going to make me hyper
54:20
for a few hours." It's not about that part of the chemistry-
54:24
Yeah
54:24
... it's about how your mitochondria-
54:27
Yeah
54:27
... works.
54:28
Yeah. It puts out more energy.
54:29
Let's say you have five mitochondrions.
54:31
Mm-hmm.
54:31
Of course, you have way more, but you have five.
54:33
Mm-hmm.
54:34
And you haveAnd the age hits, you don't
54:38
have less, but they work less.
54:39
Mm-hmm.
54:41
Now you will live a life with the 30 plus.
54:44
Mm-hmm.
54:44
With three molecules of-- You had five. Those barely work.
54:48
Sometimes they glitch and work some.
54:50
Yes.
54:50
And they go, "Oh, I feel good today.
54:51
Oh, they're very tired."
54:52
Yes.
54:52
But you have three that are actually fully working, for two-
54:55
Yes
54:55
... that's not working as much anymore.
54:56
Right.
54:57
When you take any of them-
55:00
Yeah
55:00
...
55:01
you're going to be, "Oh, wake up."
55:03
Yes.
55:03
"Wake up." And some of the peptides are going to take a molecule for this-
55:07
Yeah
55:07
... put it on this-
55:08
Mm-hmm
55:08
... because they know this one's already
55:10
broke, so let's put on this one. They come back-
55:13
Mm-hmm
55:13
... and at the same time, some of them multiply.
55:15
So you have-
55:16
Yeah
55:16
... instead of five, have 10.
55:17
Yeah.
55:19
It makes your body
55:20
being encouraged to produce. That's why the longevity comes.
55:24
Yeah.
55:24
The GHK-Cu.
55:27
Yeah.
55:27
When, "Oh, my skin looks better." Yeah, because you're actually getting a lot
55:30
better because-
55:31
Yeah
55:31
... it makes your molecules in your face, your collagen, and everything
55:35
works-
55:35
Yeah
55:35
... better because it
55:37
wasn't ready for that anymore.
55:38
Yeah.
55:40
Everybody. You hit the 30 plus-
55:42
Yes
55:42
... it's a downhill.
55:43
Yeah. And it takes more NAD to do
55:47
the same performance, the same functions that you used to do.
55:51
Oh, yeah.
55:51
Now, if you think of it as money, which I think of NAD as money, I'm
55:55
spending more because now it costs more because I need more medicines or something.
55:58
Right.
55:59
So it's just like you're using more NAD for every single thing that you always
56:03
did, but now it takes more.
56:05
It takes more.
56:05
Mm-hmm.
56:06
Yeah. Pretty much. So that's why people have this taboo about,
56:10
"I don't want to inject myself because I'm doing
56:13
illegal stuff." It's not illegal.
56:15
Your body have that.
56:16
Yes.
56:17
So you're just encouraging your body to produce more of that.
56:20
Yeah. Well, the mitochondria, I feel like I'm obsessed with
56:24
them. I think they're-
56:25
I love it.
56:25
Right?
56:27
That's why they call it the perfect machine.
56:28
That is the perfect machine.
56:30
Oh my God.
56:30
That is life.
56:30
People don't realize about like, "Oh, I have to sweat to lose weight." No.
56:33
You have to make your mitochondria work faster-
56:35
That's insane
56:36
... so you lose weight.
56:37
Yeah.
56:37
That's why people have this misconsumption.
56:38
I'm going to run with a big hoodie and I'm going to put a trash bag in, and I'm
56:42
going to run, I'm going to sweat, then you're going to drink water, you're going to
56:45
come back everything.
56:46
Yeah.
56:47
Dehydration-
56:49
Yes
56:49
... is different from fat burning.
56:51
Yes.
56:51
So that's why people misconsumption all that.
56:53
Yes.
56:53
That's what I love about the fitness area, the fitness-
56:55
Me too
56:55
... industry and even for fighting for every fitness industry.
56:59
Yeah.
56:59
And a lot changed.
57:01
Mm-hmm.
57:01
Because that's back in the day. Like, "Oh, I'm going to put a hoodie on with a
57:04
trash bag-
57:04
Oh, yeah
57:05
... and I'm going to run for hours. I'm going to put a, in Bakersfield-
57:08
Yeah
57:08
... do 110. I'm going to put a-
57:10
Oh
57:10
... beanie on and I'm going to run outside," because they almost die doing it.
57:14
And then they go to scale like, "Oh, I lost five pounds." Good.
57:16
Then they go to drink water, and they're like, "Oh, my God."
57:18
Now it's back. Yeah.
57:19
"I have seven. How?" It's like-
57:20
Right
57:21
... no, you just lost one.
57:22
So the core concept, the foundation, is just wrong.
57:25
Yeah.
57:25
So we're learning stupid.
57:26
If you think about evolution-
57:27
Yeah
57:28
... as a human being-
57:29
Yeah
57:29
... we've been evolutioning so much through the
57:32
decades, centuries-
57:34
Yes
57:34
... we can get better.
57:36
Yes.
57:36
That's why you can, in 2026, you can put in your
57:40
head, "That's how I am, and I can't do it." Believe me,
57:44
you can. You just have to do a little research and study.
57:48
You have to put your
57:50
time,
57:51
which you-
57:52
Yeah
57:52
... believe me, everybody has 10 minutes in their day.
57:54
Oh, yeah.
57:55
"I'm really busy." I'm like, "No."
57:57
No.
57:58
You have 10 minutes in your day-
57:59
Yes
57:59
... to do whatever. "I'm so stressed out." Take 10 minutes to meditate.
58:03
Yeah.
58:03
"I
58:05
don't
58:06
have time to talk with my daughter." You can
58:10
get your phone when you're driving-
58:12
Yeah
58:12
... hands-free.
58:13
Yeah.
58:13
Talk to your daughter.
58:14
Yeah.
58:14
You can-
58:15
Exactly
58:15
... or she can come. There is a way to do it.
58:17
Yes.
58:18
It's like, are you wanting to do it?
58:20
Yeah.
58:20
Or you want to make excuse to not do it?
58:21
You have to want it. You have to want everything that you're actually-
58:24
It's about want
58:24
... getting in life. You have to really want it.
58:26
Yeah, but that's how I would say the quote for life is.
58:30
Yeah.
58:30
If you want it, you'll make it.
58:32
Yes.
58:32
Failure
58:36
is part of the process. If you try to be perfect, we're living in
58:40
a world that everybody lives in a scale of 1
58:44
to 10-
58:45
Yeah
58:45
... of bad and greatness.
58:49
Everybody lives on a five and six. Five and six? Oh, yeah, five and six.
58:53
Mediocre.
58:53
Yeah. Work there. I work in morning, do that.
58:56
Yeah.
58:56
That's my life. In the old days, I would say
58:59
you were born,
59:03
you raise, you have a family, and you die. That's it.
59:05
That's it.
59:06
That's what they live to it.
59:07
Yeah.
59:07
There's a lot of things-
59:08
Which there's nothing wrong with that-
59:09
By the day you live
59:09
... if you're happy, right?
59:12
Yeah, but people living miserable lives.
59:13
Yeah.
59:14
But when they
59:16
grow up,
59:17
as I see being here,
59:20
people got after high school-
59:22
Mm-hmm
59:22
... they are stars in high school.
59:24
Yeah.
59:24
After that, their life is done. It's over, because they frustrated.
59:28
Yeah.
59:29
They want that hype again.
59:30
Yeah.
59:31
What did you do to become better after that?
59:33
Yeah.
59:33
I see that a lot because in college, I saw a lot of high school
59:37
stars-
59:38
Yeah
59:38
... playing sports.
59:39
Yes.
59:40
And they wasn't that good as a high school, of course, as the levels of way, it's
59:43
like you're playing college and you go to NBA.
59:46
Yeah.
59:46
That's why I
59:48
love basketball. When I grew up in the best era.
59:51
Yeah.
59:51
Feels like Dennis Rodman-
59:53
... Jordan, and all those guys.
59:55
If you think about life as a basketball game, why
59:59
I say that,
1:00:00
you're going to have a lot of people watching,
1:00:03
but if you make a mistake, there's no time for you to like, "Hmm." Bro,
1:00:07
if you miss it, someone got the ball and going to score on you.
1:00:09
So you got to go back to defense. That's how it is.
1:00:13
I love it.
1:00:13
That's how life is pretty much like a-- And if everybody's going to be watching,
1:00:15
and if you miss it, everybody going to boo you.
1:00:18
If you recover, they're going to-
1:00:20
Set you up
1:00:20
... clap again.
1:00:21
Yeah. Exactly.
1:00:21
But if you don't do anything, they're going to put you down.
1:00:24
I love it.
1:00:25
That's how most of the sports, but I think basketball is a more like-
1:00:29
Yeah
1:00:29
... right back at it. If you miss the
1:00:31
basket-
1:00:32
Yeah
1:00:32
... the
1:00:33
offense guy's going to be right at it.
1:00:35
If you don't make defense, you're not doing your job.
1:00:37
Well, I think that's a good place to leave it.
1:00:41
Thank you so much for-
1:00:42
Yeah
1:00:42
... your time. It was an absolute pleasure.
1:00:45
I tremendously respect you.
1:00:47
Thank you.
1:00:47
And let's do it again sometime.
1:00:49
Yeah, of course.
1:00:49
Talk about peptides and life and-
1:00:51
Let's talk about it
1:00:51
... you guys, the bounce back is where it's at. All right. Thanks.