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Nev Schulman Interview · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Real celebrity join the Breakfast Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela. Ye,
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  Speaker 1: shall I mean the guy we are the Breakfast Club
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  Speaker 1: special guests in the building today. The creator a catfish,
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  Speaker 1: creator of catfish goes by the name of NIF. Did
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  Speaker 1: I say that right? Yeah? Yeah, I like that with
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  Speaker 1: an fow knee. That's cool. Rapper from Philadelphia. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Aunce Camp announced something. Now, you are a creative catfish
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  Speaker 1: right now, you could say that although I like to
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  Speaker 1: joke that catfish created me, right because you you indeed
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  Speaker 1: got catfish. That's right. You turned a negative into a positive.
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  Speaker 1: You could say that are you're going straight for the
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  Speaker 1: inspirational stuff. This guy, God is great. This guy he
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  Speaker 1: goes to sleep, he wakes up inspirational. Do you even
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  Speaker 1: coin the term catfish? That's right? And so does that
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  Speaker 1: mean anytime somebody uses it trademark? Yeah. In fact, I'm
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  Speaker 1: keeping tabs right now. I've already said it three times,
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  Speaker 1: so I just you have to promote it, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing a good job of that. So we're even,
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  Speaker 1: we're square. No, they're really trademark though. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think no, I don't. I don't know that you can
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  Speaker 1: do that, I mean I can. You can't. You can't
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  Speaker 1: use catfish in regards to a show about online relationships, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a word now, it's in the dictionary, so
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  Speaker 1: anyone can use it. I mean, the catfish, I guess
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  Speaker 1: always existed. It's not right, in fact, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it'sund like we invented a new word. We just we
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  Speaker 1: added a definition to the dictionary. That's what That's what
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  Speaker 1: Rapp was doing. I mean rappers like whoa what has
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  Speaker 1: always been a word? But now it means homies? Oh
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  Speaker 1: really yes, instead of sorrow and depression. Oh oh wow?
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  Speaker 1: Not so not like the exclamation woe, but like the
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  Speaker 1: word who is in sorrow? Yo, No, it means woe
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  Speaker 1: as in homies, like right, my woe. Wow, I'd use
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  Speaker 1: my woes okay, but it's sure of course, right. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea what you guys are talking about. How
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  Speaker 1: did you use the catfish in terms of being cat
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  Speaker 1: fished down love? Well that was because we heard a
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  Speaker 1: story when we were making the documentary Catfish about fishermen
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  Speaker 1: taking cod from one coast to another, and well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it wouldn't make sense. Yeah, it was the h
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  Speaker 1: from Alaska to China, and over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: weeks in these giant sort of um containers under these ships,
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  Speaker 1: the cod would get lazy and so their muscles would
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  Speaker 1: soften and they would become less tasty. And so some
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  Speaker 1: fisherman was like, well, let's figure out a way to
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  Speaker 1: fix this. So why don't we put some catfish in
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  Speaker 1: the tanks with the cod, and the catfish will chase
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  Speaker 1: the cod, keep them moving, keep them fresh. And in life,
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  Speaker 1: there are people who do that. There are people who
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  Speaker 1: kind of keep us guessing and you know, keep nipping
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  Speaker 1: in our fins. And it's not necessarily a bad thing,
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  Speaker 1: but without them, life would be a little or a
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  Speaker 1: lot less interesting. Wow, Now, what's this I heard about
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  Speaker 1: you being in a relationship with a dolphin? Speaking of
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  Speaker 1: all the fish, we want to talk about that? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: so I went to a really cool facility where they
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  Speaker 1: study and train dolphins, and yeah, yeah, and that's funny,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I am. Although you know, dolphins are mammals,
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  Speaker 1: they're not fish. Okay, it's on the water exactly, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly right. In fact, they're they're very very smart. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know everyone sort of knows that but I was
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  Speaker 1: amazed to learn just how smart they are people manage
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  Speaker 1: you were taking a picturel War. Well, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I understand and I agree to a large extent that no,
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  Speaker 1: no animals should be in captivity. Um. However, I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like certain people do really good things with animals,
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  Speaker 1: and some people do bad things. This is a place
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  Speaker 1: that does really great work with dolphins and educating people
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  Speaker 1: about them, like myself, so that now I can go
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  Speaker 1: and be an advocate on behalf of dolphins everywhere the dolphins. Hold.
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  Speaker 1: That's something people do you know? No, no, no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 1: that's It's true. Dolphins are one of the only other
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  Speaker 1: few mammals that have sex for pleasure. Really, that's a
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  Speaker 1: known fact. And I did not have I want to
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  Speaker 1: make it very clear, I did not have sephin um. No,
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  Speaker 1: but there there is a strange unity of people that
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  Speaker 1: do engage in sexual activity with dolphins. Really. Yes, this
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  Speaker 1: I did not study this. I've just heard about it, um.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was even rumored that pirates and
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  Speaker 1: semen back in the day when they spent months and
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  Speaker 1: months as well, spending months and months out on the
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  Speaker 1: open seas, if they came across a dolphin because it
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  Speaker 1: was mostly men on board. You know that that was
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  Speaker 1: the closest I guess they could get to some poom
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  Speaker 1: poom poom Is that the term? Yeah, well no, technically
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  Speaker 1: not poo. Well yeah, you think, I think animal even
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  Speaker 1: know they're in captivity though, like with dolphins, let me
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  Speaker 1: get to be in the water, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's a good question question. Yeah, sure, sure, No
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  Speaker 1: more never got with dolphins, okay, real yeah, man, I
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  Speaker 1: mean you don't have to ask me. Charlemagne will tell
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  Speaker 1: you rather that's true. No, believe it becase I worked
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  Speaker 1: for MTV that they think I'm lying. But catfish is
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, three hundred and sixty percent? What is
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  Speaker 1: that three? It's a large percentage of realness, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Three hundred and eighty degrees sixty? Sorry? Right, okay, No,
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  Speaker 1: you know what's interesting. I mean, look everybody's You see
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  Speaker 1: things on TV and you assume that there's production behind
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  Speaker 1: it and that people are told what to do and
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  Speaker 1: things are reshot. And that's because in many cases it's
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  Speaker 1: the way it is. I mean, people aren't necessarily always
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  Speaker 1: as interesting as as we make them look on television.
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  Speaker 1: But but what's great about my show, and what I
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  Speaker 1: think makes it different and certainly more valuable as a
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  Speaker 1: kind of cultural conversation, is that we're not making this
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  Speaker 1: stuff up. People are doing these things, they're living these lives,
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  Speaker 1: they're getting involved in these crazy situations, and we're just
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  Speaker 1: turning cameras on and seeing, you know what happens when
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  Speaker 1: we bring these people together. Finally, it happened to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it happened to me. So what happened? What was your story?
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  Speaker 1: How did you get catfish? My story was that I
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  Speaker 1: was living in New York. I was taking a lot
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  Speaker 1: of photographs of dance, and I got a message from
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  Speaker 1: a little eight year old girl who said she saw
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  Speaker 1: my pictures on my website and was learning how to
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  Speaker 1: paint and was curious if she could use my photos
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  Speaker 1: as the subject of her little watercolor paintings. So I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was adorable. Yeah, really sweet. So and then
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  Speaker 1: immediately I got into the eight Well wait, so I
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  Speaker 1: got a message from the eight year girl, No I know,
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  Speaker 1: and and I replied yeah, and then and then her
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  Speaker 1: mom emailed me, and I was like, okay, cool, so
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  Speaker 1: her mom knows that she's she reached out to me.
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  Speaker 1: Right with an eight year old girl. I don't, right, no,
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  Speaker 1: gre so right away it was very you know, so
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  Speaker 1: it was kosher this tiger Oh man, I'm way behind.
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  Speaker 1: I just assumed you met Tiger Woods. No, anyway, So
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  Speaker 1: we start corresponding and then we know, months go by
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  Speaker 1: and I'm talking to this now eight year old girl,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to her mom, I'm talking to the babysitter.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's fronting me on Facebook, and eventually I meet her
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  Speaker 1: older sister, Megan, who was nineteen at the time I
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  Speaker 1: was twenty three. You didn't meet her though, well, no, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. We became Facebook friends, all digital. They lived
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  Speaker 1: really really far north in Michigan, like on the border
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  Speaker 1: of Canada basically, and we start chatting and talking and texting,
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  Speaker 1: and that turned into phone calls, and before I know it,
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  Speaker 1: after like four or five months, I'm having this very
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  Speaker 1: kind of flirtatious bone six. Well, not phone sex in
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  Speaker 1: the traditional sense. This is this is the middle. No, then, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the middle sister. Um, you know, we're talking about things,
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  Speaker 1: not you know, moaning and groaning, but we're no masturbation
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  Speaker 1: on the phone. No, no, definitely not no. But we
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  Speaker 1: weren't talking specifically about my penis. But we are now, um,
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  Speaker 1: so if you want to ask any questions, I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to answer them. But no, we were we were sending
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  Speaker 1: each other some pictures. I wasn't sending like cell phone picks,
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  Speaker 1: but I had a friend who had taken photos of me,
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  Speaker 1: like artistic sort of nude portraits. Portraits. Yeah, well no,
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  Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was an artsy You had like
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  Speaker 1: a rose in your mouth, like just exactly exactly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was shadows and light and you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: there is some artistic nude picks. Yeah. In fact, you
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  Speaker 1: guys will get a kick out of this. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a it's pretty embarrassing and funny. But in
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  Speaker 1: one photo I was actually um covering no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was covering my crotch region with a stuffed like
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  Speaker 1: deer head, like a like ants and everything. Yeah all right,
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  Speaker 1: yeah stag yeah exactly. All right. Anyway, So so finally,
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  Speaker 1: after nine months total of me talking to all these people,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we need to go meet this
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  Speaker 1: girl because I'm kind of about to fall in love
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  Speaker 1: with her. I want to maybe see if there's something
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  Speaker 1: real here, right, right, And so we went to Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: We we sort of showed up, surprised them, and instead
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  Speaker 1: of finding fourteen different people whom I had been talking
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  Speaker 1: to and g chatting with and emailing and texting, it
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  Speaker 1: was turned out to just be this one woman. She
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  Speaker 1: was I think, like thirty nine or forty, married with
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  Speaker 1: three kids and had a lot of free time on
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  Speaker 1: her hands, and it was sort of trapped in her
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  Speaker 1: small town in Michigan and had dreams of being an
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  Speaker 1: artist and moving to New York. And so she lived
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  Speaker 1: sort of this this life out. How did she gave
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  Speaker 1: you her address? Yeah, because we were sending things to
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  Speaker 1: each other too, Like she would send me paintings as
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  Speaker 1: the little Girl, and then I would send her like
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  Speaker 1: a birthday gift and thank you, not like things like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she never right, because she really lives like
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  Speaker 1: in the sticks, Like you must have had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do to be communicating with fourteen different people. I was
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  Speaker 1: a free time. Yeah, thank you for pointing that out.
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  Speaker 1: I was also, um, you know, searching soul searching than yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look really, you know it was so I
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  Speaker 1: met her. It was very interesting and emotional, and rather
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  Speaker 1: than getting upset and you know, sort of I guess
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: what would be the right term for that, like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: swowing someone up or I don't know if yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: blowing up her spot. Um. I listened to what she
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  Speaker 1: had to say. We we were very compassionate. She had
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  Speaker 1: an interesting story. She turns out she married her husband
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  Speaker 1: who had two very very sick mentally handicapped twin sons
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  Speaker 1: who weren't expected to live this long. But now they're
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  Speaker 1: in their teenage, their teenagers, and she takes care of
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  Speaker 1: them full time. So she had to give up her career.
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  Speaker 1: And she just has this incredible story. So we put
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  Speaker 1: it on into a film, and the film came out
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  Speaker 1: and people saw it, and then I started getting emails
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  Speaker 1: from other people who were getting crazy stories like mine,
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  Speaker 1: And that's how we got here. Did you highlighted the og?
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  Speaker 1: Bob Pittman? One cut? That's right? And what happened? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how how does Bob Pittman come into this?
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  Speaker 1: Didn't you? Oh, you're right, you're right? It was? It was?
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  Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah? It was? Well, so my my parents, No,
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  Speaker 1: Bob Pittman from New York, from some social sort of circles.
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  Speaker 1: I guess scene, Well, you didn't, No, I didn't and uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then when we had a rough cut of the film,
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  Speaker 1: we were trying to get it to other filmmakers to
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  Speaker 1: find producers, and the Pittman's put us in touch with
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  Speaker 1: the Direcks, who are friends of theirs, and Andrew Direci,
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  Speaker 1: along with his friend Mark Smirling, made a great documentary
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  Speaker 1: called Capturing the Freedman's Um, which you should all see. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's funny, No, it's not um. And so when they
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  Speaker 1: saw the rough cut, they were like, wow, we love this.
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  Speaker 1: We want to work with you guys. Wow. Now one
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  Speaker 1: thing I noticed, you know, doing the shows, you really
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  Speaker 1: care about these people that are being catfished. Why the
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  Speaker 1: people who are being catfished? I think I care about
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  Speaker 1: both sides equally. Well, he was in the middle, but
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  Speaker 1: he understand right, he being cafish but also cats about
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  Speaker 1: the people that are doing the catfish. He cares about people.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I do care about people. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: very interested in people. I've I'm fascinated by just the
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  Speaker 1: decisions we make, the mistakes we make, and how we
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  Speaker 1: turn those decisions and mistakes. And he's get something good.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Like man tie tail. We were fascinated by
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  Speaker 1: that story. They took you all show to another level. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was crazy. That was crazy because you're like, in
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  Speaker 1: real life, this is not somebody that you would think
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  Speaker 1: has a problem meeting women. And you know, then next
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  Speaker 1: thing you know, he's doing all the stuffy as his
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  Speaker 1: fake girlfriend a hope. Right, Well, that's that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have secrets, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily bad secrets, but we have issues we deal
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  Speaker 1: with that we don't want people to know about. And
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  Speaker 1: so I don't I'm not going to speak to Manti Tail,
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  Speaker 1: but I know that on the show, a lot people
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes are questioning their sexuality. They're not sure how to
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  Speaker 1: deal with their feelings, and so they go online because
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  Speaker 1: it's this sort of safe place to try things out
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  Speaker 1: and to meet people and pretend you're something else or
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  Speaker 1: talk in a way you wouldn't talk in real life,
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  Speaker 1: and that ends up being what sadly causes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of relationships to get off on the wrong foot, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, also keeps me that harder now with people
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  Speaker 1: that can video chat and you know, skype, because now
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  Speaker 1: it seems like with the exposure of all this happening
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  Speaker 1: people will be like, Okay, I'm not trying to get catfished.
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  Speaker 1: I need you to get on you know, eyechat right now,
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  Speaker 1: get on a video chat. Let's talk. Because I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe this. I agree. I have nothing to say in
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  Speaker 1: disagreement with you. It should should not be happening anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But amazingly people are so I guess, lonely and desperate
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  Speaker 1: that they're willing even now with all the technology, we
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  Speaker 1: have to engage in a relationship for an extended period
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  Speaker 1: of time with someone without proof that they are that person.
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  Speaker 1: Prove that you're wowmember, right, y'all were with me in
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee when we met Miracle and we were there for
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  Speaker 1: the V one hundred point seven in a breastry party
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  Speaker 1: and she had my faith on a T shirt. Can't
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  Speaker 1: script that kind of that was? That was crazy? No,
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  Speaker 1: I never I've seen it, but I thought it was shake.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm gonna start watching them because I always
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  Speaker 1: thought it was fake. I was like, no, no, really,
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  Speaker 1: Now there's are real stories. Remember we met miracles and
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  Speaker 1: then and then crazy coincidence he comes to co host
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  Speaker 1: an episode with me and the person were trying to
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  Speaker 1: help is miracle? It was it was kind of was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now I saw someone that you said ten years ago
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  Speaker 1: that you were more honest. Do you wish you were
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  Speaker 1: more on? Yes? That's right. What do you wish you
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  Speaker 1: were honest about? Oh? Man, I mean everything? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just think you weren't the one doing the catfishing though,
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  Speaker 1: No I wasn't. That's true. Um, But I mean I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, how many people can say that
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  Speaker 1: they're completely honest with themselves and the people they love
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Nobody? Charlaman hands up? Definitely, what question right?
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  Speaker 1: But I think if you get older, you become hopefully
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  Speaker 1: more and more honest. I think that you're lying if
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  Speaker 1: you think that you're honest all the time about everything.
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  Speaker 1: I am. That's the only way you have to have
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  Speaker 1: self away? Or do you all? You have to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with yourself in order to be honest with other people,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: you have to have death self away. I agree, And
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know, you're probably I would
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  Speaker 1: like to believe you that you're completely honest. But I
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  Speaker 1: can tell that what makes you charming and successful is
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  Speaker 1: your ability to just say things have charming again? Please, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I know that's not your father used
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  Speaker 1: to always tell me. Your father used to say that
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  Speaker 1: if you're lying, you think you're lying other people, what
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  Speaker 1: you're really lying to yourself. True, right, But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's it's definitely true that the more honest someone is,
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  Speaker 1: the more interesting and sort of captivating they are. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we all wish we could just tell the truth all
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  Speaker 1: the time and say how we feel. And when you
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  Speaker 1: see someone who's doing that, it's intoxicating, it's like wow.
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  Speaker 1: But then there would be no catfish exactly. People. Honest,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to I'm willing to give up my hit
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  Speaker 1: television serious in exchange for honesty, you know, in the world.
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  Speaker 1: If that's the trade, I'm happy to make it. Not
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: speaking of trade, you and Max, I'm asking this for
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  Speaker 1: the people because okay, yes, that's right what it is
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  Speaker 1: and lovers, that's right. No, No, thank you for clearing
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  Speaker 1: that up. You know, it's amazing. You know, it's amazing
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  Speaker 1: people really think that, Like I had I took an
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  Speaker 1: uber yesterday and and the guy was his boyfriend. No,
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  Speaker 1: And well, first of all, everyone just always asks me
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  Speaker 1: where's Max, Like somehow I should just we're attached at
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  Speaker 1: the hip they do have to me about this guy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, like where's your friend? Where's your friend? Together?
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: They sleep on the matches together in the corner. One time,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: is there a nap? One time over there put a
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: girl on his mattress. It was nothing over there in
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the corner there. Okay, the mattress is going because it
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: was blood all over, blood on it. Yeah, blood on
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: my matches. And who can tell me? So I put
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: left cowfiel on my matches. Oh my goodness it I
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: did not taste you. So technically the period blood catfish envy.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: He thought it was called that's right, it definitely catfish me. Wow. Anyway,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: so in the uber and this guy was from I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: think Guatemala or Ecuador, I can't remember. And um, he's
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: got his own like web streaming thing and he's he
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: thinks he's the celebrity, he's this week guy. Um, and
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: he's asked me lots of questions about production. And then
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, and you know a lot of
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: people think you and your your friend are are gay.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Do you want to you know, answer, yeah, do you
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: want to clear that up? And I was like, why
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: do you why do people think? Yeah, because we got
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: out of the cabin, he turned you've got he got
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: his camera out, and he like did a little on
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the street. Yeah. Um, but it's amazing to me. I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I guess if you see two
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: guys friendly with each other, people just love to gossip,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, they're they they're friends. They must
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: they must be gay. You guys, we've never kissed, Never
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: on the mouth, that's the rule. He can kiss me
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: anywhere else. It's always all in one hotel room with
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: no double baby. We don't share. We did season one,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I think maybe once or twice, which is probably why
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the rumor started. Have you ever cried during an episode
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of Catfish during filming? No? Nothing, I felt like here.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been very emotional. What do you think
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: was the most emotional one for you? Um, you threw
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: that guy's phone in the river? Well, that was right,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: that was very impulsive and I got like heated, right,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: But I think maybe the most emotional Actually, really recently,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: we met a girl. This episode hasn't aired yet, we
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: just filmed it, but um, who was so sort of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: manic and intense and like a like a Frankenstein creation.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: If you were to try if you were to take
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Miley cyrus um TMZ and let's see something else like
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: world star. I was gonna say world star, but she's not.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have any like ghetto. She's not ghetto Miles
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Ciris tmz and basically have a love child is she anyway?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: This is a girl that's like created her entire personality
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and energy based on getting attention. And she's so disconnected
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: from her feelings. Yeah, and Kardashian's exactly perfect. Um, she doesn't.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: She doesn't think she can feel anything. She just wants
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: attention and she'll do whatever she has to do to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: get it. And she just she thinks she's an expert
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: at the Internet, and she's addicted to the Internet and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that's and that her whole life is like likes on
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Facebook and matching with hot guys on Tender, like that's what.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: That's all that matters to her. Well, right, except they
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: they I think most people still have like a balance,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: They have some understanding that that's not real life, that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: my social media, right, and they still have interests in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: pursuits outside of that. This girl is like one hundred
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: percent that's all that matters in the world. And so
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I was really fascinated and also kind of saddened and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: just got really involved with with her. I was just
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: so curious to try and get inside of her her head,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So I mean, and then you know, there are other
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: times like with that Antoine and episode with um that
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: guy in Cincinnai with the long hair, remember him and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: his cousin Carmen, And she was really mean and proud
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that she had catfished her cousin for three years and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: broken his heart. And I was just really they cut it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I had to cut a lot out of that. The
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: guy you sitting next to is actually catfishing somebody right now.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: He keeps talking about this, He keeps he keeps saying
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: it's happening. Ye, me and a definitely catfishing a friend
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of us. You I didn't know this. He's very disappointed
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because the girl hadn't responded to him in a long time.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Does he keep reaching out? Does he keeps We're get back? Well,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: he can't say it because then you should film it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: May might fight you. That's not very honest. Do you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: ever worry about that though? Somebody fighting? You remember stabbed?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I know well that it was fake. Really, Yeah, they
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: said I don't know, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: not worried, clearly from from my right black guy's health. Well,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: you guys have security. We have a security guard with us,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: which I didn't see. By the way, I don't see either, Okay.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, when did that happen? No, I know.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And they're always I always say like, hey, if they're
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in the car down the street and something happens, it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna do us any good because by the time
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it's over, right, by the time they get over here,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: there won't be anything left to secure. New personality is catfished.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: By the way, when we was in Milwaukee, was in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the club Money. You gotta set it up. You took
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: me to a club we because you know Milwaukee, I've
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: never been there before. The club we go to, you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: don't remember. I don't know what Reggie and all them take.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. It's got a number in it, right, right,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they got a number sixty something seven shot out the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Heathen and all of them right was in there, Money
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: dancing on stage in a white T shirt. Yea, yeah,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that's true, rolled up sleeves and all the girls is like, oh,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you got a tramp stamp. That's also true. That's that's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the greatest catfish of all. I'm secretly a trashy white
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: girl from Florida, a college white girl from Florida. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you have a new project that your work, eight club
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: is the name of it, eight Club. I have a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: lot of new projects. Yeah, one of them. Well, it's right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So we did a special with MTV called Truce, hoping
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that we get to make more of those, because I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: really want to sort of dive into bigger issues facing
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: young people in America right now, like violence and politics
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and things like that. So hopefully you're gonna do more
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of that. But I'm also because of Charlemagne, I got
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a podcast. Now. That week we spent together, you inspired
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: me to sort of start my own little radio show.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: That's right. It's called I r L. It's actually yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it's just called I r L, but it stands for
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in Real Life and it's been airing every Thursday. I've
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: been talking a lot of catfish on there, and soon
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be transitioning into just sort of more casual
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: conversation like this, and people should check it out. They
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: can find on iHeart or SoundCloud or iTunes. You know
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: wherever podcasts live, So would you say they getting catfish
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is one of the best things that ever happens here,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: without a doubt. Yeah, And that's why I think part
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of my message if people ask me my message, my
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: outgoing message on my cell phone includes um advice in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: line of like, don't worry about screwing up or like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: getting taken or making mistakes, because sometimes that's the stuff
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: that the best things come from, like the like even
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: though I was naive and I was sort of foolish
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and I got duoped and it was embarrassing. Like if
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you if you're ready to make something good out of it,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it could be the thing that changes your life, which
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is why catfish are essential and in my case, very
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: very fortunate. Now you also got catfish one time when
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you got into a fight. That is true. You're right now,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you're right. I got fight fished or something like that. Fish. No, no, no,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I took a photo. No, I was at I'm talking
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: about what made the story come out again? Oh right, right,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the whole that's right, And he was blametic. Bottles was wrong, right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and then he got a lot of flag because right
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I was speaking out against domestic violence and people did
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: some research because because the post that I posted was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like the most shared sort of viral post I've ever had,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: so I got a lot of attention. And then someone
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: did some research and saw that there was a story
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: about how when I was in college, I got into
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a you know quote fight with a girl, um, which
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: is something I've talked about and I had actually just
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: written about in my book. So it wasn't like I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was trying to hide it. But unfortunately the story online,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know, as told by the one side, was very
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: incorrect or inaccurate. But what had happened was I was
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: at a party in college and I was taking photos
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: totally sober for my party website. No, I was go
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: on taking them, and I at the time was very
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: serious about a like sort of social evening photo website.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to parties and events and posting them
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the next day. And so I was like, Oh, I'll
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: go to this big party on my school. Um, it's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's always fun and crazy people dress up. It's like
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: sort of you cross dress at the party because I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: went to a sort of weird liberal arts school and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't dress up. No, No, I was totally no,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I was regular dressing. It was called it's called Sarah Lawrence.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: It's great, it's a liberal arts school. Wonderful, oh cool,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: could be anything anyway. So I went to this party
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: where everyone dresses, you know, in very little and or
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: cross dresses, and I just went as a spectator, um
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and I and apparently I was taking photos of someone
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that maybe didn't want to. And I can understand that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have been taking photos of everybody, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: crossing business. It's no. I can't understand that. I can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: understand that, but but in my head I justified, like, no,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm taking great photos and everyone will enjoy them. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was it was young and dumb,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and I was probably being insensitive. But no, and so
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and so someone wasn't happy with it, and so they
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: basically just out of nowhere. I get like sideswiped, my
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: camera gets pulled down, my shirts getting torn off, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: they're like trying to take me down. Oh my god,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, what what do I do? I've
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: got this person I got jumped, right, And so I
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: turn and look and I see, you know, a sort
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of short, stocky person with a crew cut and a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: button down I'm like, this dude's trying to mess with me, right,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm like trying to get them off and swinging
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: at them and like, you know, making some contact. And uh.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Eventually they actually got pulled off of me because I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: couldn't get them off myself and I a few minutes later,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I discovered it was a it was a it was
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a young lady, it was a female, got into a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: fight with queenly Tiefer from set it off. He wasn't okay,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and uh, idea, but I didn't know it was dark
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and came at me from the side, and uh, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that's how I got catfish. Perfect logical reason to get
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: into a perfect said perfect anything. Right. She did? She did.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: She pressed charges. I I got processed and understand you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I got no, I got dismissed. The case. The case
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: got oh you can look it up. Yeah, unbelievable. You
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: weren't charge. I well, I was charged, but you weren't,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: all right, I guess wasn't. I don't know what the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: terminology was. She pressed charges, but they were never carcharg
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: just got dropped exactly. Okay, So think about dice. It's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it's not on my record, but I got kicked at school.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Imagine dicing some jeans, some tombs, t shirt, swinging on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you in the dark, or like that little bow Wow episode.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Remember remember Deep Pimping? Right, if Deep Pimping came up
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to you at a club swinging like you, you knock
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you knock her out right, right? I mean, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: plus seventy five pounds, so you gotta like you gotta
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: be concerned. I was concerned. We appreciate you joining us.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Very random and interesting things that have happened to here. No,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I know, well that's the thing, that's and that's why
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: my brother filmed me to begin with, because like, I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: have a strange tendency to get into interesting and unusual situations.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't the first time, and it hopefully won't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: be the last. What made you get the tramp spam bo?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That's not even a good that's not even a good story.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I was. It was my brother got a tattoo and
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I was jealous and thought, I want to get a tattoo.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I when I go,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I go big, and I was like, I'm just gonna
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: get a big tattoo. And this was like, this was
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: before it was right before they can look it up
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with that one. It was. It was right before that
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: became a thing. Like it was thirteen or fourteen years ago,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: right before every college girl in Florida had girl. I know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I know, so this was. This was I you could
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: say I started, but but yeah, I know. It's it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous. I call it a champ. I call it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a champ stamp. It doesn't make it any better if
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you want to. Because he got a hairy chest in
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: this pigure losing me. I don't mind it. I mean
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I do have a very hairy chest. How can Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a regret. It's a it's a daily
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: reminder that you should think things through. I'm gonna get
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it reminded with the butterfly. No that's not no, no, no, no, no,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it's not a butterfly. It's it's like it's like some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: kind of tribally winged thing. It's not so bad. It's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: just like I don't know what I'm doing. It's it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. It really flashed a camera just one
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: good time. Like if you google, Champ says Nive has
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: champ stamp. Yeah, it's no secret. I'm Hey, look, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: got to own it to mean. Oh, Parley d has
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: went too. It says here, oh yeah, eight male celebrities
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: with champ stamp. It's a champ stamp. It's a champ stamp.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: What did it mean? That doesn't mean anything. It means
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: don't be an idiot. Think things through. We're going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: post it's a reminder the video. All right, Well, we
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate you for joining us again, and uh we got
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: a new episode tonight at ten o'clock, and then next
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Wednesday is the return of the Maxill Fox, So I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are excited for that. He
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is back, and you do not want to miss am
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I doing I'm doing chapter with that night, that's right.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And Charlemagne will be on chat Fish with us next
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Wednesday too, so you don't want to miss that either.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Right after the new episode with Max, we got Charlemagne
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in the studio for some more fun. All right, nive R,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you've said it right, there we go. We appreciate David
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Beckham has went also. Well then I'm in good that's right,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: good company. My goodness is the Breathas Club Goodbardin Breathas
• 28:54
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