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MKUltra Hearings Part 1: What They Revealed & Where the Research Went | The Occult Rejects · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: Something is going to happen?
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Speaker 2: What, what's going to happen?
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Speaker 3: What I go to Welcome back to Magus in the media,
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Speaker 3: And today we got brain teaser, as in, there is
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Speaker 3: some great mk ultering going on at all times, especially
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Speaker 3: with the screen that is before you, the mk ULTRA hearings.
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Speaker 3: Anna Paulina Luna, who's bringing it to Congress? Is she
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Speaker 3: a good person? Is she a bad person? What is
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Speaker 3: really going on? And does she even matter? I don't
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Speaker 3: think so, because what truly matters is that if you
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Speaker 3: think mk ultra is just a mere story about LSD
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Speaker 3: experiments from the Cold War era, Cold War era, yesterday's
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Speaker 3: hearing that happened or whenever you're listening to this is
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Speaker 3: hearing that just took place. So just something much much larger,
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Speaker 3: because what Congress has now revisited wasn't simply a failed
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Speaker 3: CIA program. It was much more research, dark research, twisted research,
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Speaker 3: and experimentation into how human perception, memory, and attention can
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Speaker 3: be shaped and how and what. These questions that they
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Speaker 3: asked and experimented on didn't actually disappear in nineteen seventy three.
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Speaker 3: It just got deeper, more layered, and more integrated into
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Speaker 3: our society and if you don't know, magas in the
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Speaker 3: great co host for today, the Cardinal electric Head himself,
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Speaker 3: the leader of the Occult Rejects. Nick. How are you.
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Speaker 2: Doing, good man, I'm great. I'm glad to be on here.
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Speaker 2: I always love podcasting with you in this topics right
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Speaker 2: up by Aly especially, I just got done recording a
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Speaker 2: two part series on hypnoe i COVID part of them
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Speaker 2: culture because there's a lot to do with hypnosis that
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Speaker 2: fits right in. And like you said, the LSD is
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Speaker 2: a small part of the Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Just a small part. And what's fascinating is it's like
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Speaker 3: what you know in this age of not knowing what
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Speaker 3: the fuck is going on, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: this woman pulls up this thing as in Anna Paulina
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Speaker 3: Luna is all like, let's go to congress about the
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Speaker 3: MK culture hearings and fascinating enough so most of you
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Speaker 3: probably may not know. She doesn't have just any whistleblowers there.
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Speaker 3: She has Tom O'Neill, which is the writer of Chaos Cia,
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Speaker 3: Charles Manson and Ultra program and so this book is fantastic.
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Speaker 3: I mean, people haven't read it. I highly recommend going
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Speaker 3: into reading it because he speculates. He's really good at
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Speaker 3: saying that. I don't know if I can't prove that
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Speaker 3: Charles Manson is exactly a Manchurian candidate, but I can
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Speaker 3: prove that there is definitely interconnections between him, Jolly West,
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Speaker 3: the Leave, and the whole mk Ultra program, which is
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Speaker 3: fascinating enough. And what is it The other guy's name,
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Speaker 3: I think is Kinser, and he actually is connecting the
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Speaker 3: dots between mk Ultra and the Nazi experiments at that
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Speaker 3: and the Nazis and then all the Nazis that we
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Speaker 3: brought over from Operation paper Clip. So another great CIA program.
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Speaker 3: Great as an awful CIA program that brought a bunch
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Speaker 3: of crazy scientists over here. It feels like the scientists
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Speaker 3: are going to kill us, it doesn't it it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know it's interesting too that we also forget
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Speaker 2: we don't talk about too much, is that even we
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Speaker 2: even took the Japanese doctors that were a part of
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Speaker 2: Unit seven thirty one. I think it was cold we
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Speaker 2: took them too, besides the Nazi ones, and like Yo
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Speaker 2: those those Japanese. I mean they were putting babies outside
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Speaker 2: to see how long did we take to die in
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Speaker 2: the coal? Yeah? They were ruthless. Yeah, so I mean
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Speaker 2: we took them as well, and Russia took them as well.
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Speaker 2: Russia and our country. He took a shit tone of
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Speaker 2: those doctors.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and most people again hopefully our listeners do.
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Speaker 3: But the idea of Werner von Braun creating NASA's program,
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Speaker 3: I've said them many times, and he's one of the
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Speaker 3: heads and Nazi scientists at that time frame. Then being
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Speaker 3: best friends with Walt Disney himself.
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Speaker 2: Oh they were yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, there's pictures of them best friends may be
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Speaker 3: a jump, but I'm like, how do these people? You know?
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Speaker 3: And so then Walt Disney creating was some all the
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Speaker 3: you know, Disney is one of the biggest corporations known
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Speaker 3: to man, who has taken over Marvel and it's it's
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Speaker 3: a basic brainwashing and programming and manipulation and all this
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Speaker 3: stuff kind of stems from the exact experiments that they
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Speaker 3: were pulling off with MK Ultra. And they say that
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Speaker 3: shit in this in this history, in this hearing that
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Speaker 3: we're gonna listen to today fascinating enough on how not only
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Speaker 3: did it happen then, but the whole thing is that
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Speaker 3: it never ended itself, just the pro project, the CIA project,
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Speaker 3: because there were one hundred and fifty subprojects in the
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Speaker 3: mk Ultra project itself, and that is so many, and
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Speaker 3: it's and what I brought up last time, it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like the idea of lifelog that CIA had, and
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Speaker 3: they're like, oh, let's just shut down that, we're not
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Speaker 3: going to do that. And then the next day a
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Speaker 3: Facebook pops up and supposedly some fucking whip cyborg kid
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Speaker 3: called mar Suckerberg runs it. So that's that's crazy. And again,
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Speaker 3: just so everybody knows, MK Ultra technically wasn't never shut
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Speaker 3: down in any meaningful sense. It was absorbed. It absorbed.
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Speaker 3: What began is chemical and psychological experimentation on unwinning subjects
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Speaker 3: became over decades the research foundation for a much larger project,
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Speaker 3: the engineering of belief, intention, and percession at a large scale.
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Speaker 3: And the CIA's own scientists were chasing that same target
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Speaker 3: that every algorithm now that hits your eyes, the retina,
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Speaker 3: the nervous system to control you like a little monkey.
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Speaker 3: It's been by design you know, it's like, let's not
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Speaker 3: state blackfild because the idea between all of this that's
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Speaker 3: really important is to understand that what are we doing here, Nick,
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Speaker 3: We are becoming sovereign magicians. This is the most important
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Speaker 3: aspect of this entire thing, don't you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the I mean, like we were saying earlier,
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I got into this. A part
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Speaker 2: of it. It was to be, I guess, to not let
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Speaker 2: the world's outside stimulations run my life. Yeah, and most
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Speaker 2: of that's coming from the TV and ifione probably yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's funny. Yeah, the propaganda and like right,
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Speaker 3: Edward Burnez, who is the public relations the propaganda machine.
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Speaker 3: The Nazis called it the Department of Propaganda. We changed
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Speaker 3: it to public relations so it had a nice more
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Speaker 3: soft touch. It seems. It's like, let's not call it propaganda.
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Speaker 3: I think that's got a little cringe note to it,
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Speaker 3: don't you think.
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Speaker 2: You know that's interesting though when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: propaganda now, I guess maybe I could see why Walt
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Speaker 2: Disney was connected with the other guy.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially because of like remember the Looney Tunes
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Speaker 3: back in the day, how they were like buy our stamps.
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Speaker 3: Women go clink on. We need all the men are gone,
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Speaker 3: so it's good for you to go. I think that
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Speaker 3: was the voice that sounded like to go over to
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Speaker 3: your local US Department army and work for your nation. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and so it's fascinating, And why we do this is
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Speaker 3: to have everyone understand that the dark sorcerers, the techno feudalists,
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Speaker 3: the parasitic oligarks are out there right now trying to
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Speaker 3: every day as you wake up, instead of the first
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Speaker 3: thing you're doing being breathing, meditating, kissing your loved ones,
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Speaker 3: making sure you well get the sun in your eyes,
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Speaker 3: which is really important, which is why we're right libra
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Speaker 3: resh go outside all hail raw. The idea is that
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Speaker 3: you're taking in that red light into your body, allowing
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Speaker 3: the body to heal itself. But instead, what do we
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Speaker 3: do We pick up the scrying ancient black phone of death.
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Speaker 3: And then at that time it is why they like
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Speaker 3: completely taking control of that panale gland. Interesting enough, what
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Speaker 3: we learned in our last talk was that the penale
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Speaker 3: gland isn't just the third eye, isn't just the seat
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Speaker 3: of the soul's day cart says or the vision of
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Speaker 3: all visions, but actually has magnetite in it which creates piezoelectricity.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, and when we were talking about CERN Kaiva
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Speaker 3: and I on our show on Monday, we were talking
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Speaker 3: about how with the large hadron colliders, which is basically
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Speaker 3: like taking two different and electric and a magnetic and
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Speaker 3: swinging these things around. I know CERN is actually taking
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Speaker 3: protons and colliding to make big effects, big bangs. But
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Speaker 3: that's got to have it, not just got it. It
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Speaker 3: does have an effects on our consciousness. And so it's
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Speaker 3: coming down to this mass weaponization of human consciousness on
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Speaker 3: an individual and a massive scale. And as truth Stream Media,
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Speaker 3: I've tried to reach out to them, you should as well.
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Speaker 3: Truth Stream Media came out with the documentary it's a
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Speaker 3: five hour documentary called Minds of Men. Everybody should go
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Speaker 3: out there shout them out and tell them that we're
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Speaker 3: friends and we want to talk, because that documentary is
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Speaker 3: one of the most brilliant documentaries and it really shows
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Speaker 3: how you get from human experimentation from like early World
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Speaker 3: War One in the early nineteen hundreds to World War Two.
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Speaker 3: And the mk Ultra program from Artichoke, Bluebird, Artichoke and
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Speaker 3: Project climax to the project mk Ultra and how from
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Speaker 3: that we actually get these little machines before us and
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Speaker 3: the algorithm in AIS.
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Speaker 2: I would even say, like kind of what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: With World War One, you know, I had covered stuff
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Speaker 2: with music and drumming, and I even have an episode
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Speaker 2: that I'm going to eventually do where it even shows
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Speaker 2: like how music was basically used to kind of buy
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Speaker 2: the Nazis to get people prepared for war, but around
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Speaker 2: World War One they were already doing scientific studies on
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Speaker 2: music to manipulate.
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Speaker 3: People even in World War War One.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just like, you know, did mk ultr
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Speaker 2: kind of like I mean, that could have been separate
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Speaker 2: little projects prior that came together to make one thing.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like all those little things
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Speaker 2: might have been being done separately in some some facts
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Speaker 2: before before multrue.
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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree. And then you get the occulted
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Speaker 3: history underneath that all with you know, Woodridge, Westcott and
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Speaker 3: Mathers creating the Golden Dawn and you're like, well, what
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Speaker 3: does that have to do with anything. Well, I'm like, well,
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Speaker 3: early late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds and all these
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Speaker 3: things going on, you get this occult movement in the
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Speaker 3: revolutions of magic and all the stuff that's going on,
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Speaker 3: then helping create this man called Alistair Crowley who became
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Speaker 3: a huge proponent in the Alliance, the Allied Powers to
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Speaker 3: fight against the Nazis and German and Croley himself was
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Speaker 3: a double agent, but he created the V for victory.
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Speaker 2: What I think that goes with have you ever done
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Speaker 2: the the hexagrammar Oh? Yeah, at one point when you
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Speaker 2: make the sign of isis then after that you make
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Speaker 2: the sign of Apophus and typhon the rising Beast. And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I think that's what he's just going in
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Speaker 2: the formula.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he is doing. And so I you
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Speaker 3: and I should actually do a breakdown. We should try
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Speaker 3: to get Douglas rush cooff on, because that guy is
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Speaker 3: brilliant as well, and he's doing a very similar thing
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Speaker 3: that you and I are doing, just in his own
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Speaker 3: way a little more, a little more liberal leaning. But
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Speaker 3: he wrote a comic book called Aidolf and Adolf, which
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Speaker 3: it's Alistair and Adolf, sorry, Alistair and Aidolf, where he's
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Speaker 3: connecting these Hitler too, Croley and how Croy and Hitler
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Speaker 3: but not Hitler himself, but Hitler's right hand man, the
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Speaker 3: occultist that was underneath Hitler. We're going up against each
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Speaker 3: other and there's this magical battles going on.
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Speaker 2: Was it wasn't Hitler, you know, not talking about Hitler? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, Yeah, Hitler was like, yeah, it
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Speaker 2: was his right hand man. Feel I feel like he
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Speaker 2: was the more of the ocultist than Hitler was, and.
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Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, he definitely was. And so these two
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Speaker 3: were kind of magically battling. And that's why what's his
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Speaker 3: name for the Brits brought Krolly in was because they
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Speaker 3: knew they needed the Great Beast himself, right, And I
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Speaker 3: will state both Nick and I we are not kroleites,
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Speaker 3: but we see the prophet himself, not that he's the
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Speaker 3: only prophet, but his brilliance as a magician in his
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Speaker 3: work I think is understated or overstated, and it should
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Speaker 3: be stated right in the middle of that. This man
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Speaker 3: was brilliant and he was a main reason for how
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Speaker 3: you and I could do our own magic to this day,
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Speaker 3: which is really important. And again, these sorcerers battling magicians
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Speaker 3: versus dark sorcerers. This doesn't just happen out of nowhere,
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Speaker 3: but it builds itself off of a history that is
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Speaker 3: trying to hide the secret of our own history, and
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Speaker 3: that you and I and everyone listening are magicians, and
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Speaker 3: that we are to lift ourselves out of the propaganda
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Speaker 3: machine and out of the cave into the light so
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Speaker 3: we can finally see things for as they are beautiful
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Speaker 3: in all ways. So we don't dark, We're not black
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Speaker 3: piled here, We're we're better. We're better than the black pill.
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Speaker 3: We we we read pill all day long until we
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Speaker 3: lift ourselves up on up high as magicians. And so
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Speaker 3: I think we laid that out pretty nicely. Got any
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Speaker 3: saying before we start listening to this, No, not really,
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Speaker 3: it's beautiful and we get an there she is right away.
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Speaker 3: So here we go. We're gonna start it off with
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Speaker 3: Anna Paulina Luna.
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Speaker 5: Families deserve acknowledgment, and this Congress has a constitutional obligation
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Speaker 5: to ensure that full de classification is not delayed any longer.
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Speaker 5: Project mk LTRO was not a policy failure or an
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Speaker 5: overzealous program that got out of hand. It was a deliberate,
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Speaker 5: systematic governmental operation that subjected American citizens prisoners, hospital patients, veterans,
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Speaker 5: ordinary people tell us d electroshock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, psychological
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Speaker 5: torture without their knowledge or consent. This went on for
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Speaker 5: twenty years on American soil, funded by American taxpayer dollars
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Speaker 5: and authorized by the very top of US intelligence apparatus.
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Speaker 5: And this program when it did end, the men who
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Speaker 5: ran it did not cooperate with investigators. They did not
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Speaker 5: come forward. They committed another crime. They destroyed evidence. The
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Speaker 5: documents this task force has reviewed are unambiguous. In January
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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy three, the director of the CIA, Richard Helms,
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Speaker 5: prepared to leave office. He personally ordered the destruction of
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Speaker 5: M culture records.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy that you can just destroy records?
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Speaker 2: Right that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and nobody cares. They're like, yeah, we have to.
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Speaker 3: And what's interesting is, I think Tom O'Neil kind of
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Speaker 3: brings up in other interviews is that it's like, to
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Speaker 3: be able to do things through CIA and the Black Apartments,
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Speaker 3: you still have to have receipts and files and all
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Speaker 3: these things. And so it's it's fascinating to know that
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Speaker 3: then through time now it's all going to all this
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Speaker 3: leads us into is the block chain AI technology that
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Speaker 3: we're all going to be this dystopian reality that's being
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Speaker 3: built up around us, Which is why it's more important
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Speaker 3: than ever to get your memory straight right, why the
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Speaker 3: memory practices are so important, especially because they they're gonna try.
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Speaker 3: They've been, they've been. I think Kivin and I talk
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Speaker 3: about all the time that we think that they've been
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Speaker 3: trying to erase our memories many times over in this
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Speaker 3: and throughout history.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would even say I think COVID was even
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Speaker 2: what you even have done that to an extent, every
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Speaker 2: time they traumatize you with some ship, I think you
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Speaker 2: you part of your brain's going to forget something and
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Speaker 2: do something else. It's hard to explain, almost like a fracture,
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Speaker 2: and I think you kind of forget a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 3: I just bought a book that I'm going to talk
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Speaker 3: about and on some a few streams, and it's talking
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Speaker 3: about that exactly that like mass psychological hallucinations mass uh,
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Speaker 3: there's a there's a certain word that this guy goes on.
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Speaker 3: But that's exactly what it's for COVID nine to eleven
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Speaker 3: and all the wars, all these different things, each one
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Speaker 3: of them is like, and they talk about it later
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Speaker 3: in this in our in our Congress hearing here where
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Speaker 3: the algorithm is meant to basically turn on mk ultra
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Speaker 3: slash man Manchurian candidates, and that the algorithm does wide
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Speaker 3: swashs to change people's minds on things, to make them fearful.
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Speaker 3: He brings up and what his name brings up Martin
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Speaker 3: Luther King and how he got killed by.
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Speaker 2: I even thought that Charlie Kirk might have been something
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Speaker 2: like that too.
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Speaker 3: They bring up Charlie Kirk in this.
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Speaker 2: Because if you think about that, you know how many
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Speaker 2: people saw that dude? If that you know, if it's real,
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Speaker 2: what happened to happen? You know how many people watch
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Speaker 2: the guy get shot the fucking neck and dug, Yeah, Like,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of traumatizing to be like everybody on Twitter
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Speaker 2: was sharing that shit. I was like, Yo, what the fuck?
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Speaker 2: What's that to say? The same thing as like when
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Speaker 2: David Lynch said in his opinion he thought when they
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Speaker 2: add the atomic bomb, that was to just fucking traumatize
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Speaker 2: and rip fear through people.
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Speaker 3: Yep, it's very important, which.
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Speaker 2: You got a question too, because like how did you
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Speaker 2: even film the bomb being dropped.
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Speaker 3: Very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just me just make your houses out of whatever
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Speaker 2: that camera's made out of him. You're good. I love that.
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Speaker 3: I think I watched that on.
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Speaker 2: It's the same camera they used on the Moon before
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Speaker 2: the guy got out of the fucking out of the ship. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's so hard. There was a camera on the Moon
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Speaker 2: watching the guy take his first steps. No, the motherfucker
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Speaker 2: set up the camera took their first steps.
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Speaker 3: Plus they left the camera as well as let's just
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Speaker 3: beam a telephone call from the moon to everybody else. Huh.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, could even do that with fucking cell phones?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I exactly exactly. And the idea I want
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Speaker 3: to continually bring up here is of general semantics, the
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Speaker 3: hierarchy of the nervous system, and what Timothy Leary's also
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Speaker 3: in this timeframe in the sixties and seventies was doing,
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Speaker 3: is that he's trying to he's taking the LSD experiments
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Speaker 3: and using them not only on his self. LSD was
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Speaker 3: actually a mass, you know, manipulated to put out to
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Speaker 3: the culture. I think the hippie movement was not organic obviously,
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Speaker 3: and put out there by Tavistock and everything going on
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Speaker 3: in Mulhull and Drive and Ashbury yep, exactly. The Dead
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Speaker 3: were used push.
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Speaker 2: As much as I love this some of their albums,
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Speaker 2: I do think that they are highly involved and pushing
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Speaker 2: LSD onto people.
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Speaker 3: Yep. And what does ELSD do? So we all remember,
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Speaker 3: I know you all remember, I'm gonna tell you. It
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Speaker 3: puts you into imprint vulnerability. It's a neuro but it's
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Speaker 3: a neuro drug. And so what it does is it
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Speaker 3: puts your nervous system into imprint vulnerability. Why, which is
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Speaker 3: why it's so important of set and setting to put
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Speaker 3: yourself around people sign symbols, music sets internal settings so
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Speaker 3: that when you put go into those Olympic states, those
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Speaker 3: imprint vulnerable states, that whatever is being now reimprinted onto you,
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Speaker 3: you is this. It's this closed loot system. Now your
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Speaker 3: world is going to respond. It goes back to what
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Speaker 3: you and I have talked about. But the thinker thinks
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Speaker 3: the prover proves, and so it's really important.
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. What's the uh? I forgot a name?
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Speaker 2: I feel so bad? Might have been No, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to screw it up. Mario's girlfriend from some Bolt
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Speaker 2: Up studies. Yeah, she had commented when they were doing
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Speaker 2: their commenting after our shows, after our little things on
19:04
Speaker 2: their show, she had and you know it's funny. I
19:07
Speaker 2: didn't specify it. I should have. When I was talking
19:09
Speaker 2: about the flashing colors, I actually meant, like the flashing
19:12
Speaker 2: colors when we made sigils like yellow goes with blow
19:15
Speaker 2: and green goes with red. I didn't mean flashing colors,
19:18
Speaker 2: but that something does happen with that. But she even said,
19:22
Speaker 2: think about being on LSD and then how that allows
19:24
Speaker 2: your body or your brain to be like whatever influenced
19:27
Speaker 2: and like these bands or these places that you're at,
19:31
Speaker 2: they got shit on screens, flash, they got effects, they
19:34
Speaker 2: got lights. You have no idea what the fuck's being
19:37
Speaker 2: done to you?
19:38
Speaker 3: Nope, no, I completely And I will say through my
19:41
Speaker 3: own anecdotal experience I was talking to you about before,
19:43
Speaker 3: and I've told people online and just you know, I'm
19:45
Speaker 3: an open book. What happened to Brandon? What happened to him? Well,
19:49
Speaker 3: I got really lucky, right. It's like I was studying philosophy, Aristotle, Plato,
19:53
Speaker 3: you know, the basic frameworks of what objectivity and truth
19:56
Speaker 3: are at the same time taking high dosages of LSD,
19:59
Speaker 3: and I took four massive dose. I took four hits,
20:03
Speaker 3: but and things got a little weird. I had my
20:06
Speaker 3: own apocalyptic vision because of I was listening to the
20:09
Speaker 3: band Tool and I and truly like the things I
20:12
Speaker 3: was doing at that time frame. Was then all of
20:15
Speaker 3: a sudden, from that I was, I had my own
20:18
Speaker 3: like sack, all these things that I'd never seen before,
20:20
Speaker 3: and I've been trying to find and pick up the
20:22
Speaker 3: pieces ever since. And it set me upon this philosopher's stone,
20:26
Speaker 3: holy grail, search for the sacred marriage and union of
20:30
Speaker 3: my soul with the universe. Not everybody gets that. A
20:33
Speaker 3: lot of people burn out, you know what I mean.
20:35
Speaker 3: And so it's like interesting that maybe each one of us,
20:38
Speaker 3: due to our astrological charts and our past lives and
20:41
Speaker 3: our constitution, that some of us move along the path
20:45
Speaker 3: and have a you know, life's hard. But upon trying
20:49
Speaker 3: to do this, we start to you know, why did
20:51
Speaker 3: I all of a sudden, Robert Anton Wilson to me
20:53
Speaker 3: Leary Alistair Crowley Israel, regarding all these people, why did I?
20:57
Speaker 3: It was because of Tool, I think brainwashed me. I'll
21:01
Speaker 3: say it because Danny Carey is drumming. Danny Carey, the
21:05
Speaker 3: number one holder of Alistair Crowley's first published works. And
21:10
Speaker 3: he's using his drum right shamanic drumming, using his drums
21:14
Speaker 3: to that's all set up with sacred geometry and he
21:17
Speaker 3: has his Knakian tablets.
21:19
Speaker 2: Can ask you if you do that? Yeah, he's actually
21:22
Speaker 2: he sometimes can be hitting specific ship on that one
21:24
Speaker 2: drum space yep, like like he's almost doing like sada
21:27
Speaker 2: square shit.
21:29
Speaker 3: Yes he is. He's a fucking.
21:32
Speaker 2: That s I was like, what the fuck? Yep.
21:34
Speaker 3: So now think about listening to that on four hits
21:37
Speaker 3: of high powered blodder acid and not knowing what the
21:40
Speaker 3: fuck is going on, and so it's we don't we
21:42
Speaker 3: all don't get that lucky. Now, now think about it
21:44
Speaker 3: like this. You're in the middle of a science experiment
21:47
Speaker 3: where people don't care about your best interests. You're in
21:50
Speaker 3: a doctor's chair and now you're being dosed with high
21:53
Speaker 3: powered LSD without your knowledge as they are imprinting you.
21:58
Speaker 3: I truly believe that they are. Now they have the
22:00
Speaker 3: ability to and they say this here, we're gonna get
22:02
Speaker 3: back to it. They to stripping away memories and re
22:05
Speaker 3: imprinting memories that aren't your own. And Tom O'Neill talks
22:09
Speaker 3: about it as well.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I think definitely with the concerts and shows
22:13
Speaker 2: and shit. I think between that and just other stuff,
22:16
Speaker 2: they definitely know how to manipulate people and move people.
22:19
Speaker 2: I even think that one kid, I forgot the name
22:22
Speaker 2: of it's one that there was some rapper kid and
22:25
Speaker 2: like a bunch of people died before the show even
22:26
Speaker 2: started because of like the weird or during the show.
22:29
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember. It was a couple
22:31
Speaker 2: of years back, and I was even questioning, like was
22:32
Speaker 2: that done on purpose because they were saying there was
22:34
Speaker 2: weird tones and shit coming out of the system before
22:37
Speaker 2: the before like shit got weird.
22:40
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh no, for sure, I completely agree. And
22:44
Speaker 3: now I'll think about it. If you're a weaker individual,
22:47
Speaker 3: weaker constitution who's had a lot of trauma, a lot
22:50
Speaker 3: of vulnerability, and all of a sudden, you you know,
22:53
Speaker 3: it's really easy to wipe the slate clean, where all
22:55
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you pick up your phone one day
22:56
Speaker 3: and a tone comes out of it, and all of
22:58
Speaker 3: a sudden you kind of like, oh, and now you
23:00
Speaker 3: just have one mission and one mission only and that
23:03
Speaker 3: and then you complete that mission. We find it with
23:05
Speaker 3: mentalists and hypnosis.
23:06
Speaker 2: I even think all that, what are I think hashtags
23:10
Speaker 2: can be used for that? Poh, it's almost like a trigger.
23:14
Speaker 3: It's a trigger. And then all of a sudden, you
23:16
Speaker 3: complete your mission and if you get shot or you
23:19
Speaker 3: don't and killed by the police, and all of a
23:21
Speaker 3: sudden you forget and you're like, I don't I don't
23:23
Speaker 3: know why, or you have a cover up for that
23:26
Speaker 3: whole thing. So it's really fascinating. Mary.
23:28
Speaker 5: Let's go back to the CIA official document in writing
23:32
Speaker 5: states over my stated objectives. The mk ulture files were
23:37
Speaker 5: destroyed by the order of DCI mister Helms shortly before
23:40
Speaker 5: his departure from office. A separate internal account confirms that
23:44
Speaker 5: Helm's telephoned doctor got Leab directly and instructed him to
23:47
Speaker 5: destroy quote all files pertaining to drug research and associated activities.
23:52
Speaker 5: Gottlieb completed or compiled four people, spent entire day tearing
23:57
Speaker 5: burning down one hundred and fifty two files. Then Gottlieb
24:01
Speaker 5: had his personal papers destroyed by his secretary before he retired.
24:05
Speaker 3: Crazy, uh, secretary, I got destroy those files.
24:08
Speaker 2: When this is on, I got some funny shit to
24:10
Speaker 2: talk about, Gottlieb. When you're done A theory.
24:12
Speaker 5: Het of the CIA owned records center protested the destruction
24:15
Speaker 5: in writing, but he was overruled. That is obstruction of justice,
24:20
Speaker 5: that is criminal destruction of federal records, and neither individuals
24:24
Speaker 5: were ever charged with a crime for it. Helms received
24:27
Speaker 5: a two thousand dollars fine for lying to Congress about
24:30
Speaker 5: an unrelated manner and collected his government two.
24:32
Speaker 3: Thousand dollars fine for this guy, which is basically a
24:35
Speaker 3: drop in the hat.
24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even back then, what was that equal to?
24:38
Speaker 2: Like fifteen grands? You know what I'm saying? Like today?
24:41
Speaker 2: Come on.
24:44
Speaker 5: Until he died, Gottlieb retired in rural Virginia and wrote poetry.
24:49
Speaker 5: No one went to prison, No victim was ever formally
24:52
Speaker 5: compensated by the government for the harm that they caused.
24:56
Speaker 5: By nineteen seventy five, the Church Committee and the Rockefeller
24:58
Speaker 5: Commission had already published, through sworn testimony and the surviving
25:02
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three Inspector General port that mkultra existed and
25:06
Speaker 5: that the CIA had to run a program of human
25:08
Speaker 5: experimentation on unwitting Americans. The scope in detail of what
25:13
Speaker 5: we know today is largely because of an accident in
25:16
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy seven, an archivists diligently complying with a Foyer
25:20
Speaker 5: request discovered seven boxes of MKLTRA financial records that had
25:24
Speaker 5: been misfiled and escaped the bonfire. Those seven boxes included
25:30
Speaker 5: the names of institutions, the name of sub projects, the
25:33
Speaker 5: researchers who pipate, who participated the specific operation that the
25:38
Speaker 5: CIA had funded, and without them, the vast majority of
25:40
Speaker 5: m k ULTRA would only be a rumor, just as
25:43
Speaker 5: Helms and Gottlieb intended. Those seven boxes revealed the MKULTRA
25:48
Speaker 5: comprised at least one hundred and forty nine subprojects, operated
25:51
Speaker 5: across more than eighty institutions, and involved one hundred and
25:54
Speaker 5: eighty five non government researchers. They revealed that the CIA
25:59
Speaker 5: covertly contributed three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars to
26:01
Speaker 5: a hospital research wing which was approved directly by DCI
26:05
Speaker 5: Alan Dolis, which Richard Helms, did they mention.
26:10
Speaker 3: Now which wing it is?
26:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, which hospital it is? Do they ever mention that?
26:13
Speaker 3: Uh?
26:14
Speaker 2: The owner? If it's Saint elizabeths Oh what's that? That
26:18
Speaker 2: was an mk ULTRA hospital that Ezra Pound ended up
26:21
Speaker 2: going to that. I do think there's a connection, even
26:24
Speaker 2: with Ezra Pound being possibly part of mk Ultru.
26:27
Speaker 3: Interesting, he's like well known as one of like a
26:30
Speaker 3: good guy and all these things, like a poet.
26:33
Speaker 2: I wonder about that though, honestly, not that I'm knocking.
26:37
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the Rothchilds have nothing to do
26:40
Speaker 2: with it, but I do find it interesting that he
26:43
Speaker 2: who was a fan of socialism. I mean, we got
26:46
Speaker 2: to remember that too, like where he came from, and
26:48
Speaker 2: he he was obsessed with meeting Mussolini and finally met him.
26:52
Speaker 2: But like he was the one who handed us the
26:53
Speaker 2: idea that the roth Childs were, like, you know, the
26:56
Speaker 2: whole conspiracy idea that they were running the world. One
26:59
Speaker 2: who brought us that. But uh, he ended up getting
27:02
Speaker 2: considered you know crazy, some you know doctor did that.
27:07
Speaker 2: And then as soon as that happened whatever, they ended
27:11
Speaker 2: up transferring to Saint Elizabeth's hospital and put him in
27:14
Speaker 2: like a certain type of wing. It was, I don't know,
27:17
Speaker 2: special treatment, but there was mk ultra was going on
27:20
Speaker 2: in that hospital at the same time they brought him there.
27:22
Speaker 3: Crazy.
27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've always wondered, like, was it our way
27:27
Speaker 2: of bringing him over to work for us or.
27:32
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
27:33
Speaker 2: Now, the quick thing about Gottlieb, Uh, did you know
27:36
Speaker 2: what Gottlieb was into before he started doing like kind
27:39
Speaker 2: of the n k ELTR stuff. He did like a
27:42
Speaker 2: lot of gadgets and ship. Yeah, he did all those
27:45
Speaker 2: different gadgets. He was like kind of like I'll double
27:48
Speaker 2: O seven type dude. Really if you look at interests
27:51
Speaker 2: that he was making. Now he has a daughter named Penny.
27:55
Speaker 2: Now this is just this is just a grasp. And
27:59
Speaker 2: some people I've even added because of the whole nose thing,
28:02
Speaker 2: which I don't, you know whatever. Sometimes you because I
28:04
Speaker 2: think Gottlieb was a jew, so people will go with like, oh,
28:07
Speaker 2: even even the cartoon character had a big nose. I
28:10
Speaker 2: do think it's possible missed the gadget was actually based
28:13
Speaker 2: after him because he had gadgets and he had a
28:17
Speaker 2: niece named Penny.
28:19
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about Inspector Gadget.
28:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Inspector Gadget.
28:22
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Inspector Gadget.
28:26
Speaker 2: I wasn't thought that it's quite possible that was actually
28:29
Speaker 2: he did. He had a he had a niece named Penny,
28:31
Speaker 2: and he made and he had all these gadgets, and
28:33
Speaker 2: Gottlieb had a daughter name Penny, and he made gadgets
28:37
Speaker 2: before he started doing the other ship.
28:39
Speaker 3: That's a great connection.
28:40
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just weird. And people are like, I
28:43
Speaker 2: mentioned it once and they're like, oh, he's got a
28:45
Speaker 2: big nose. It's definitely a jew.
28:47
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're not focus on that. That's the point.
28:51
Speaker 2: I know that wasn't either for me. But I mean maybe,
28:53
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's helping my help of my case here,
28:55
Speaker 2: but I don't. I didn't really see it that way.
28:58
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the same connection that we made to
29:01
Speaker 3: Gargamel on the show. Right, So Gargomel has got the
29:06
Speaker 3: you know, a little more hunched over, big nose, continually
29:08
Speaker 3: trying to go out. He's the dark Sorcerer, continuely trying
29:11
Speaker 3: to go after everybody. But Gargomel was a name of
29:13
Speaker 3: one of the Acceleerate particle accelerators, one of the first
29:17
Speaker 3: ones that they had. It wasn't the large Hadron, but
29:19
Speaker 3: there was something going on before it was before Smurce
29:25
Speaker 3: was created. There was this this pro this thing going
29:27
Speaker 3: on with with Cern in its beginnings, and it was
29:30
Speaker 3: called Gargomel spelled slightly different. But it goes to the
29:33
Speaker 3: idea that not that we're we're not grasping for straws,
29:36
Speaker 3: but there coincidence control center runs on high sometimes and
29:40
Speaker 3: the synchronicities of what's going on in our fictions or
29:43
Speaker 3: how fictions are created. We take from reality, and reality
29:47
Speaker 3: takes from this continual back and forth. Right, it's kind
29:52
Speaker 3: of hard to get even away from it. So here
29:56
Speaker 3: we go, we got so now we're going to move
29:57
Speaker 3: on to Kinser because so there's a Gotlieb and the
30:01
Speaker 3: nature of the research, and so here's an entry points
30:04
Speaker 3: for a little more of the mythological and esoteric. Let's
30:08
Speaker 3: see here as we go, Let's see if I can
30:10
Speaker 3: find right here as we do it live Magus in
30:16
Speaker 3: the media and the head car electric carbonal living it together.
30:20
Speaker 2: Got leave to try to make poisons to knock people
30:22
Speaker 2: loaf too.
30:23
Speaker 3: Did they?
30:24
Speaker 1: Oh?
30:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried taking out like leaders of countries.
30:29
Speaker 3: Of course they did. They still do that today.
30:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they tried to license someone's cigar or
30:34
Speaker 2: some shit, and it didn't work.
30:35
Speaker 3: Of course, of course.
30:37
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty one, the CIA hired Gottlieb and directed
30:40
Speaker 1: him to launch what became mk ULTRA. Gottlieb believed that
30:45
Speaker 1: in order to find a way to implant a new
30:47
Speaker 1: mind into someone's brain, you first had to find a
30:52
Speaker 1: way to destroy the mind that was in there already,
30:57
Speaker 1: and it searched for ways to destroy a human mind
31:00
Speaker 1: and body. Mk ULTRA conducted the most extreme experiments on
31:04
Speaker 1: human beings that have ever been carried out by a
31:08
Speaker 1: US government agency. By any standard, they qualify as medical torture.
31:14
Speaker 1: These experiments took place in prisons, clinics, and safe houses
31:18
Speaker 1: in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, and even
31:21
Speaker 1: in Latin America. Officers of mk ULTRA were authorized to
31:26
Speaker 1: travel to foreign countries, preferably those under formal or informal
31:31
Speaker 1: US occupation, and ask the local CIA station to provide
31:36
Speaker 1: them with expendables human beings who would not be missed
31:41
Speaker 1: if they disappeared, Which is.
31:43
Speaker 3: Then why I think they also want to be making
31:45
Speaker 3: and having so many homeless people. I think that the
31:49
Speaker 3: homeless in the United States and across Europe and these places,
31:52
Speaker 3: let alone the missing children who care Like I'm not
31:56
Speaker 3: saying I don't care, I'm just saying who.
31:58
Speaker 2: Cares that I know what you mean by that.
32:01
Speaker 3: If a homeless person goes missing safe thing.
32:03
Speaker 2: If like, you know, five hookies show up dead and
32:06
Speaker 2: five women that weren't hookers, they're going to care more
32:08
Speaker 2: about the ones that want hookers.
32:10
Speaker 3: Huh exactly. And then there's just more experimentation, more lone gunmen,
32:15
Speaker 3: more men sharing canni's more sleeper cell activity for any
32:18
Speaker 3: random occurrence than to blame it on any Middle Eastern
32:21
Speaker 3: country or Russia or China. It's just really easy to
32:24
Speaker 3: have a smoking gun out there that you can just
32:26
Speaker 3: blame shit on.
32:27
Speaker 2: When did the when did those mental places become a
32:30
Speaker 2: thing which ones like psych like uh like places to
32:34
Speaker 2: put crazy people.
32:36
Speaker 3: Like uh like a lunatic bend.
32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because that's even something I remember seeing somebody
32:41
Speaker 2: you can have a trust Instagram, but it wasn't a
32:44
Speaker 2: count that you know normally doesn't post bullshit. But they
32:47
Speaker 2: were like showing how it's just like these buildings just
32:49
Speaker 2: like showed the fuck up out of nowhere, just like ready.
32:52
Speaker 2: It's just like right there were showing like these things
32:55
Speaker 2: were planned and built way before.
32:57
Speaker 3: No, I agree, it says A Santa silence became popular
33:00
Speaker 3: and widespread during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, peaking
33:03
Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties, and originally envisioned as idyllic, quiet
33:07
Speaker 3: places of refuge, they ultimately transformed into overcrowded, understaffed institutions
33:12
Speaker 3: the nineteenth century expansion eighteen forties to eighteen eighties. During
33:15
Speaker 3: this time, asylums were highly popular, driven by reformers like
33:18
Speaker 3: Dorothy Dick's estates began funding large public psychiatric hospitals, taking
33:23
Speaker 3: mentally ill in elderly people out of prisons and poorhouses.
33:26
Speaker 3: By the seventies, almost all US states had established at
33:29
Speaker 3: least one state funded asylum. The peak population in nineteen fifties.
33:34
Speaker 3: Institutionalized reached its absolute peak in fifty five, which nearly
33:39
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand patients resided in US psychiatric hospitals.
33:42
Speaker 2: You mentioned anything on there real quick, maybe if you
33:45
Speaker 2: look something about Pilgrim State, we could see that supposedly
33:49
Speaker 2: had the most red bricks I think used in the
33:53
Speaker 2: whole country, like ever, and it was like a big,
33:56
Speaker 2: huge place, you know, for crazy people.
34:00
Speaker 3: Interesting, So Pilgrim State in Brentwood, New York.
34:02
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And again red bricks,
34:08
Speaker 2: red bricks give off emf.
34:10
Speaker 3: Yes they do.
34:11
Speaker 2: So you got all these supposedly crazy people surrounded of
34:15
Speaker 2: EMF bricks. I mean, what do you expect them to?
34:17
Speaker 2: How do you expect them.
34:18
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a slight it's like not correction. But
34:22
Speaker 3: so the bricks, I don't know about rip do they
34:25
Speaker 3: give off EMF? I know that.
34:28
Speaker 2: Red brick does interesting interesting.
34:31
Speaker 3: So what I know about bricks is that bricks have
34:32
Speaker 3: the ability to make it so EMFs cannot penetrate it.
34:37
Speaker 3: But what happens is if you are in a complete
34:40
Speaker 3: home that is all is all completely brick, and you
34:43
Speaker 3: have a large EMF meter inside the home, it amplifies
34:49
Speaker 3: the EMF. So I did a I did a massive
34:52
Speaker 3: deep dive over like a seven year period of what
34:55
Speaker 3: electromagnetic frequency does on the human nervous system and non native,
35:00
Speaker 3: non native EMFs and so yeah, so I think it'd
35:02
Speaker 3: be fascinating if what red bricks themselves can do, because
35:06
Speaker 3: I've never heard that, but that's yeah, I know that's
35:11
Speaker 3: definitely the bricks themselves definitely amplify. Concrete does this well,
35:15
Speaker 3: amplifies EMF single which is why if anyone, if you,
35:19
Speaker 3: I think why bricks went away was because of people
35:23
Speaker 3: in our current timeframe. Why most people don't build with
35:26
Speaker 3: brick is because of I think there's an overarching wanting
35:31
Speaker 3: of people to be inundated with EMF at all times.
35:35
Speaker 3: I could see that, you know what I mean, especially
35:37
Speaker 3: with all the different Wi Fi meters five G, six g,
35:39
Speaker 3: which are again as we found out. I'll do a
35:42
Speaker 3: video on it soon. Direct energy weapons. All you conspiracy
35:46
Speaker 3: theorists who got made fun of by your normy friends,
35:48
Speaker 3: Direct energy weapons and Peter Hegseth just came out that
35:53
Speaker 3: the United States Army, a military industrial complex is buying
35:56
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of direct energy weapons. Something that once
35:59
Speaker 3: wasn't now is you can go look that up. News
36:03
Speaker 3: Nation just did a thing on a four days and
36:05
Speaker 3: five days ago. Directed energy weapons. What could that be
36:09
Speaker 3: used for? Maybe from MK ultra where you could then
36:11
Speaker 3: take over somebody's mind completely. It's not just for a
36:14
Speaker 3: big boom bang or for you know, blowing up massive forests.
36:21
Speaker 2: All right, and knows what that could be used for. Actually,
36:24
Speaker 2: you could target individuals.
36:25
Speaker 3: Maybe they're saying they're not.
36:29
Speaker 2: I think Peter Thiel is doing that already.
36:32
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so yeah, interesting. Oh. Zarella says red brick
36:37
Speaker 3: is rare in minecraft because it has energy.
36:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading on here. If it gets the
36:41
Speaker 2: room temperature because I think of uh, what was it?
36:43
Speaker 2: The io is something in it? It can start giving
36:46
Speaker 2: off VMF, but not like anything crazy. Yeah, yeah, the
36:50
Speaker 2: uh sorry is it the red iote or something like that,
36:53
Speaker 2: the red color? Yeah?
36:55
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, no, no, sorry? Is I like that?
36:57
Speaker 3: I think it because it's important. It's another good example
37:00
Speaker 3: of why houses are being built off of nonsense and
37:03
Speaker 3: Horseshit is because of it's easier for the penetration of
37:08
Speaker 3: Wi FI and EMF. And now, as we all know,
37:11
Speaker 3: you can research. You can just go look it up.
37:12
Speaker 3: Your EMF router can scan and find you in your home.
37:16
Speaker 3: So each one of us we don't have to have
37:18
Speaker 3: neuralink in our brains. You got it right here. It's
37:20
Speaker 3: attached to you at all times. They can find you
37:22
Speaker 3: wherever you are. So things that think about and also
37:26
Speaker 3: about your Pilgrim State Hospital. The self contained city is
37:32
Speaker 3: what they're calling it. It serves as the ultimate real
37:34
Speaker 3: world example of the mid twentieth century trend. Authorized in
37:37
Speaker 3: twenty nine to solve severe overcrowding in New York City's
37:39
Speaker 3: existing institutions, it grew so rapidly that became the largest
37:42
Speaker 3: psychiatric hospital in the world. It officially opened nineteen ninety
37:47
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty one on a massive campus spanning over one
37:50
Speaker 3: thousand acres. It was designed under the farm colony model,
37:53
Speaker 3: where patients lived and worked in an open air farming
37:56
Speaker 3: crops as part of their therapeutic treatment.
38:00
Speaker 2: My grandfather after he got out of World War Too,
38:02
Speaker 2: I think he got a job there. We're there for
38:04
Speaker 2: a will Oh crazy, Ye. Ship was fucking insane.
38:09
Speaker 3: That that is? That is that is that's crazy.
38:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:12
Speaker 3: So it's a fascinating thing, which which is weird because
38:14
Speaker 3: I'm all, like they went away. Just think of all
38:17
Speaker 3: of the there are and just think of all of
38:20
Speaker 3: what are they when they took a thing straight through
38:23
Speaker 3: the brain to then rewire your brain?
38:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't talk about Yeah they had that botomies.
38:27
Speaker 3: They lo bottomized people that we have a dark history,
38:31
Speaker 3: this dark sorcerer history of trying to control people and
38:35
Speaker 3: experiment on them. It's like, well, you couldn't have a
38:38
Speaker 3: cell phone without this kind of experiment to I'm like
38:40
Speaker 3: a good ticket, I don't I don't really want it anymore.
38:43
Speaker 3: If that's what we're doing there.
38:45
Speaker 1: We go leave had what amounted to a license to
38:49
Speaker 1: kill issued by the US government. Neither the number of
38:57
Speaker 1: MK Ultra victims nor the number of those who were
39:00
Speaker 1: experimented to death is known. Gottlieb, as a result of
39:05
Speaker 1: this license to kill, might have been the most powerful
39:09
Speaker 1: unknown American of the twentieth century. Some information about mk
39:15
Speaker 1: Ultra spilled out during the nineteen seventies, but senior CIA
39:19
Speaker 1: officers had intentionally let Gottlieb operate without supervision, so they
39:25
Speaker 1: were able to claim that they knew nothing.
39:27
Speaker 3: About his excesses.
39:29
Speaker 1: This was a way for the CIA to deny its
39:31
Speaker 1: institutional role in mk Ultra and to portray it misleadingly
39:36
Speaker 1: as the product of one man's sadism or excessive zeal.
39:42
Speaker 1: Investigating MK Ultra is challenging because when Godlieb and his
39:46
Speaker 1: mentor Richard Helmes left the CIA in nineteen seventy three,
39:49
Speaker 1: they illegally ordered that its records be destroyed. Soon afterwards,
39:53
Speaker 1: under a DCI Stansfield Turner, a CIA analyst, as you
39:57
Speaker 1: pointed out, Madame Chairman, discovered a catch of k TO
40:00
Speaker 1: documents hidden among financial records. Turner credited that analyst with
40:05
Speaker 1: doing a very diligent job.
40:08
Speaker 3: Of Sherlock Holmes there.
40:11
Speaker 1: That same diligence I believe could bring results today.
40:16
Speaker 3: One of the great mysteries.
40:17
Speaker 1: Of mk Ultra has to do with the death in
40:20
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three of an MK ULTRA scientist, Frank Olson,
40:24
Speaker 1: who had announced his intention to quit the project.
40:27
Speaker 3: His plunge from a New York hotel.
40:31
Speaker 1: Room was described in the press as the suicide of
40:33
Speaker 1: an army scientist.
40:35
Speaker 3: He was not an army scientist.
40:36
Speaker 1: He worked for the CIA, and evidence suggests that his
40:40
Speaker 1: death may not have been a suicide, so there could
40:43
Speaker 1: be hidden documents that could illuminate this case.
40:46
Speaker 3: Weird, another death that could not have been a suicide.
40:50
Speaker 3: It's wild. So I'm going to move on to more
40:55
Speaker 3: of kins are talking about Gottlieb right here. I'm just
40:58
Speaker 3: going to scoot all over the place here just because
41:01
Speaker 3: of we've got a mission and we've got a small
41:04
Speaker 3: amount of time. We'll probably do more of these because
41:06
Speaker 3: this is a big topic.
41:10
Speaker 2: Did chick objected Judo from the movies?
41:12
Speaker 1: The No?
41:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, holy shit, oh shit.
41:22
Speaker 1: Let me start by answering your second question about Gottlieb.
41:27
Speaker 6: He in chief question, you describe how Project m KLTRA
41:32
Speaker 6: was authorized by CIA Director Alan Dulles in April of
41:36
Speaker 6: nineteen fifty three as an umbrella program for research into
41:41
Speaker 6: the covert use of biological and chemical materials for mind
41:45
Speaker 6: control and interrogation. What specific geopolitical and intelligence concerns, particularly
41:52
Speaker 6: regarding alleged Soviet and Chinese quote brainwashing and Korean War prisoners,
41:57
Speaker 6: drove this authorization, and how did uh Cindy Gottlieb's unique
42:04
Speaker 6: background and personality and worldwide view shape the program's direction
42:08
Speaker 6: and methods and ethical boundaries.
42:12
Speaker 3: It's just a continually it was like, people are like, so,
42:16
Speaker 3: why why does this even matter? Why does who cares?
42:19
Speaker 3: AULTRA conspiracy theorists? That's not like, are you are you
42:23
Speaker 3: kidding me? They're experimenting on people and their consciousness and.
42:28
Speaker 2: Change has even been admitted. It's like, come on, how
42:31
Speaker 2: the fuck are you even ignoring this?
42:33
Speaker 3: You can't. And then it's like, well, why does the
42:34
Speaker 3: occult in the esoteric matter? What's because if there are
42:38
Speaker 3: individuals out there in the world, large institutions, deep underground
42:43
Speaker 3: black op programs, who are are worried about these not
42:46
Speaker 3: worried who are using these forms of mind control and
42:49
Speaker 3: manipulation on the human consciousness. Well, how do you take
42:52
Speaker 3: back that power? And that is then by reading the
42:57
Speaker 3: work that they've read, as well as reading all of
43:00
Speaker 3: the ancient work from your chroal you know, Cral is
43:03
Speaker 3: not ancient, but like from your Golden Dawn to where
43:05
Speaker 3: they got their work from the Rosicrucians, from from the
43:08
Speaker 3: aim to from the like the Renaissance magicians John d
43:12
Speaker 3: go back farther, you get the neo Platonists, and the
43:15
Speaker 3: Hermeticists go back farther, the ancient philosophers all the way
43:18
Speaker 3: back to ancient Sumerian texts.
43:20
Speaker 2: And you're like, what what now?
43:22
Speaker 3: It's like read the mythologies that we are talking exactly about.
43:26
Speaker 3: What this is? What's going on in the dark sorcerers temples? Well,
43:30
Speaker 3: how do you how do you reframe it? Will go
43:33
Speaker 3: into your own temple, work on your own consciousness and
43:36
Speaker 3: create and discover, not create, discover and turn on, so
43:40
Speaker 3: to speak, your own aura, your own light body, your
43:43
Speaker 3: own field, to try to battle against the people who
43:47
Speaker 3: are trying to invert your thoughts to do terrible things.
43:50
Speaker 3: And they're like aggravating your Olympic system in nervous systems
43:54
Speaker 3: so that your animal desires and passions take over and
43:58
Speaker 3: you can and then so you become an automaton or
44:01
Speaker 3: an NPC. It's disgusting.
44:09
Speaker 1: Let me start by answering your second question about Gottlieb.
44:14
Speaker 1: He was a very different person from all of the
44:17
Speaker 1: other CIA senior CIA officers of that era. Most of
44:21
Speaker 1: them came from silver Spoon backgrounds. They went to the
44:24
Speaker 1: same prep schools and the same Ivy League colleges, and
44:27
Speaker 1: belonged to the same yacht clubs, and worked for the
44:29
Speaker 1: same law firms and international banks.
44:32
Speaker 3: Sydney.
44:32
Speaker 1: Gottlieb was the son of Orthodox Jewish refugees from Central Europe.
44:37
Speaker 3: He had a limp, he had a stutter.
44:39
Speaker 2: He went to Hebrew school. He was so different from
44:42
Speaker 2: all of the other officers.
44:43
Speaker 3: And maybe he learned Kabbala and mysticism from these schools.
44:48
Speaker 3: On reflection, I think this may not have been an accident.
44:51
Speaker 2: I think.
44:53
Speaker 1: That people at the CIA understood that whoever had this
44:56
Speaker 1: job was going to be doing some awful, terrible things
44:59
Speaker 1: that'd be very blod that they might become known, and
45:02
Speaker 1: it might be necessary to blame it all on somebody,
45:05
Speaker 1: and they didn't want to have to blame it all
45:07
Speaker 1: on one of their own, So Gottlieb actually became the
45:13
Speaker 1: person on whom everything was blamed. In fact, when he
45:17
Speaker 1: testified in secret here in this in Congress in the
45:21
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, he complained that there were documents on which
45:26
Speaker 1: various signatures had been redacted, but his alone had remained,
45:31
Speaker 1: so again as a way of diverting attention away from
45:35
Speaker 1: the institutional responsibility of the CIA and trying to blame
45:38
Speaker 1: it on one crazy person. As for the international situation
45:43
Speaker 1: at the time, I think it's very important to understand
45:46
Speaker 1: this because there is a sort of a parallel to today.
45:49
Speaker 1: The CIA misinterpreted several key incidents in the world, including
45:53
Speaker 1: those to which he referred, the trial of the Cardinal Mincenti,
45:58
Speaker 1: and then there were in Hunger and then the return
46:01
Speaker 1: of Korean War prisoners. Neither of those episodes really had
46:05
Speaker 1: to do with mind control, but in the CIA they
46:08
Speaker 1: were interpreted that way, and this gave the CIA a
46:11
Speaker 1: reason to pretend that its research was purely defensive. So
46:18
Speaker 1: I think when you consider the world situation and the
46:20
Speaker 1: sense in Washington that were surrounded by enemies, that becomes
46:24
Speaker 1: a very dangerous environment. Conspiracy theories stem from the growth
46:30
Speaker 1: of the covert sphere. There's a great contradiction in American
46:34
Speaker 1: life that we pretend to uphold certain principles at home
46:38
Speaker 1: and abroad, but it's evident to many Americans that we
46:41
Speaker 1: actually operate in opposition to those principles, and we operate
46:47
Speaker 1: by secret and anti democratic means. That contributes to a
46:50
Speaker 1: suspicion of government. And the very existence of mk ultra
46:55
Speaker 1: proves that some of the wildest fantasies about secret government
47:00
Speaker 1: research are actually close to reality.
47:03
Speaker 3: That's very important. That's a I think that's a pretty
47:05
Speaker 3: important part, right that a lot of our fantasies, the
47:09
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories and things that people are trying to tell
47:12
Speaker 3: us for the last fifty years I'm gonna be forty,
47:14
Speaker 3: so thirty nine years, you know, and like half of
47:16
Speaker 3: that has been delivered into this occult esotery conspiracy realm.
47:20
Speaker 3: You've been told that you're crazy in a psycho when
47:23
Speaker 3: actually you know there are things crazy and psychotic, right.
47:26
Speaker 3: I think flat Earth is a syop and an utter nonsense,
47:29
Speaker 3: especially if you believe in astrology and psychod geometry. There's
47:32
Speaker 3: actually no other way but the idea is that then
47:35
Speaker 3: maybe we have to perceive it from a different angle,
47:38
Speaker 3: that you can see it as a sphere and many spheres,
47:41
Speaker 3: and the sacred geometrical harmony of the spheres with the
47:44
Speaker 3: astrological understanding of forces of nature. But then if we
47:46
Speaker 3: can understand that we live in a realm right we
47:50
Speaker 3: perceive things in a certain way, and that the interconnectedness
47:53
Speaker 3: of our perceptions on the embodied world actually can come too,
47:57
Speaker 3: and understand that how the ideal realm moves through and
48:02
Speaker 3: is imagined, that the darkest, most unimaginable things are coming true,
48:07
Speaker 3: and that they're not only coming true, that they're happening.
48:09
Speaker 2: Oh you know, uh, something that Crowley had said and
48:14
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, maybe he knew the Internet was coming.
48:17
Speaker 2: He said at one point he says he thinks that
48:19
Speaker 2: like even you know, kids and children's they're gonna be
48:23
Speaker 2: shown to most viscious shit that humanity can do.
48:28
Speaker 3: M Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's interesting. And definitely
48:33
Speaker 3: I think so, especially with what happened in World War
48:35
Speaker 3: two and everything that he saw there and then to
48:38
Speaker 3: project out there to see in the age of the
48:41
Speaker 3: crowned conquering child, what happens when Horace has to uplift
48:46
Speaker 3: the entire old Ossyrian and end structures, you know, like
48:52
Speaker 3: during the eye and our eye right, all of nature
48:54
Speaker 3: must be renewed by fire. Well, we're seeing fire right now.
48:58
Speaker 3: And I think I think a lot of this that's
49:01
Speaker 3: going on is our government and the royals and whoever
49:06
Speaker 3: these oligarchical, parasitic techno feudalists are. I think they're trying
49:09
Speaker 3: to get a handle on it. And so my thing
49:12
Speaker 3: is that with this Annapolina Luna as much as she
49:14
Speaker 3: as much as you know, like I think, there's just
49:16
Speaker 3: so many different conspiracies, right Robert Anaton Wilson talks about
49:19
Speaker 3: there's like twenty three different conspiracies going on at all
49:21
Speaker 3: at one time. So there's not just one governmental power
49:24
Speaker 3: with everyone conforming to it, but there's many different pieces conspiring,
49:29
Speaker 3: which is why this age of chaos, the ending of Coli,
49:33
Speaker 3: the Cali Yug or whatever we're going through in this
49:36
Speaker 3: age is so up like so fascinating. And then now
49:40
Speaker 3: think about once we can understand how the nervous system
49:42
Speaker 3: is so pliable and how the mind is so pliable,
49:45
Speaker 3: that why we practice, why we do magic, why train
49:49
Speaker 3: the body with kung fu or whatever your martial practices are.
49:53
Speaker 3: Body practices are because you're in a war. And it's
49:58
Speaker 3: not just a war for the mind, war for the
50:00
Speaker 3: mind body, because they want to make you sick. So
50:05
Speaker 3: you can't stand there with sword in hand, right, even
50:07
Speaker 3: if it's the mental sword. We can't think properly when
50:10
Speaker 3: our body is tired, And so how can we use
50:14
Speaker 3: our higher reason if our body is being inundated with
50:17
Speaker 3: inflammation and emath and just lower drive sicknesses and these things.
50:24
Speaker 3: So this is we live in fascinating times, and I'd
50:27
Speaker 3: rather be here with no one else nick to go
50:30
Speaker 3: through it with, as we are trying to help fight
50:34
Speaker 3: off the arconic demons of the lower realms together from
50:37
Speaker 3: our own seats, in our houses and our own temples.
50:41
Speaker 2: You know something I did want to mention, And you know,
50:44
Speaker 2: I think especially I think especially with Catholicism, but even
50:50
Speaker 2: depending on them, you'll see it. I mean with the
50:52
Speaker 2: Gnostic mess But if people practice and they do some
50:55
Speaker 2: sort of eucharistic thing, or if you eat or drink anything,
50:58
Speaker 2: pretty much, when you see these, when you kind of
51:02
Speaker 2: look at how a ritual goes, you were literally tapping
51:06
Speaker 2: into every one of your senses too.
51:08
Speaker 3: Yes, I like that, Yes you are.
51:11
Speaker 2: And I do think part of the ritual, a part
51:14
Speaker 2: of the magician. Again, like I said, I think will
51:17
Speaker 2: become in charge of our own body in that way.
51:21
Speaker 2: I do think it's kind of like you're acknowledging that
51:23
Speaker 2: maybe you're turning them on at that moment or I'm
51:26
Speaker 2: the one who's activating it with this by my choice. Yeah,
51:31
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a little bit of a
51:32
Speaker 2: representative of that of you even turning on or affecting
51:35
Speaker 2: your own nerves, your own sensory.
51:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. And to me and then I
51:40
Speaker 3: always bring it back to the science fiction part of
51:42
Speaker 3: as Frank Herbert Beni jesuit. The witches, they learn to
51:46
Speaker 3: completely control their their body through their prana Bindu training.
51:51
Speaker 3: What's that pranayama chanting? Oh yeah, right, they're they're learning
51:55
Speaker 3: how to use the voice and use the body through
51:58
Speaker 3: you through gaining control of the breath, which is in
52:01
Speaker 3: your eight limbsa yoga. So the first thing you learn
52:03
Speaker 3: if you start reading Crole or any of these magical practice.
52:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Yeah, that's another thing too, when you're
52:07
Speaker 2: still looking at a lot of his stuff and you
52:09
Speaker 2: go look at it now, like some of the science
52:12
Speaker 2: that's been behind it. A lot of this shit that
52:15
Speaker 2: he was pushing all affected, like your nervous system yep.
52:19
Speaker 3: It's just like yeah, because if you can get control
52:22
Speaker 3: of that, as we're learning with mk Ultra and these experiments,
52:25
Speaker 3: if you can gain control of somebody's nervous system, you
52:27
Speaker 3: can control the person.
52:29
Speaker 2: Yep. Oh yeah, you'll just yeah, you'll know exactly which
52:33
Speaker 2: buttons to push.
52:34
Speaker 3: Now, yep, and then you can get them to do anything.
52:36
Speaker 3: And the mind is very malleable.
52:38
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
52:42
Speaker 3: And so now I'm gonna skip over to chaos Tim
52:47
Speaker 3: Tom O'Neill and what he is going to bring us
52:51
Speaker 3: here in this interesting stream that we have going on.
52:55
Speaker 2: This man is brilliant.
52:56
Speaker 3: Everyone should go out and read his book. Let's see
52:59
Speaker 3: if we can get what the question was and we
53:05
Speaker 3: don't alive everyone.
53:07
Speaker 7: Thank you, Chairwoman Luna and members of the committee. It's
53:11
Speaker 7: a privileged to be here today. Almost fifty years ago,
53:15
Speaker 7: the last Congressional hearings into mk Ultra took place just
53:18
Speaker 7: a short walk from here in the Dirkskan Senate office building.
53:22
Speaker 7: At those hearings convened in August and September of nineteen
53:26
Speaker 7: seventy seven, Representatives of the CIA told Congress and the
53:30
Speaker 7: American people that his twenty five year effort to control
53:33
Speaker 7: human behavior had been a colossal failure because I believe
53:39
Speaker 7: Congress was never told the truth about what this program
53:42
Speaker 7: actually achieved. In fact, I believe the agency misliked Congress
53:47
Speaker 7: in nineteen seventy seven when it characterized mk ULTRA as
53:50
Speaker 7: a failure.
53:52
Speaker 2: My name is Tom.
53:52
Speaker 7: O'Neill, and in nineteen ninety nine I was I accepted
53:56
Speaker 7: a magazine assignment to write a story about murders committed
53:59
Speaker 7: by group of hippies called the Manson Family. For those
54:03
Speaker 7: I'm familiar with this horrific episode of American history, in
54:07
Speaker 7: the summer of nineteen sixty nine, four young people, acting
54:10
Speaker 7: on the orders of a cult leader named Charles Manson,
54:13
Speaker 7: went to the home of movie director Roman Polanski and
54:16
Speaker 7: murdered everyone they found there, including his eight and a
54:19
Speaker 7: half month pregnant wife, the actress Sharon Tate. The victims
54:23
Speaker 7: were complete strangers to their killers. The following night, Manson's
54:28
Speaker 7: followers murdered another couple in the same grizzly fashion. At
54:34
Speaker 7: the time I accepted the assignment, I had never heard
54:37
Speaker 7: of mk Ultra, and I wouldn't for another two years,
54:40
Speaker 7: after I'd missed countless deadlines, lost the assignment, and fallen
54:44
Speaker 7: down a nightmarish rabbit hole trying to answer the question
54:48
Speaker 7: I couldn't quite shake how had manson a barely literate
54:52
Speaker 7: ex Cohn acquired the ability to persuade ordinary young people
54:57
Speaker 7: to murder complete strangers simply because because he had told
55:01
Speaker 7: them to the pursuit of that answer. The pursuit of
55:05
Speaker 7: the answer to that question led me to doctor Lewis
55:07
Speaker 7: Julian West, known to his friends as Jolly Wes, was
55:12
Speaker 7: one of the most influential psychiatrists in America. During his career,
55:16
Speaker 7: he crossed paths with some of the most controversial events
55:19
Speaker 7: of the twentieth century, including the Patty Hurst kidnapping case
55:23
Speaker 7: and the aftermath of the John F. Kennedy assassination investigation.
55:27
Speaker 7: In nineteen seventy seven, Wes was one of seven academic
55:31
Speaker 7: researchers named in a front page New York Times story
55:35
Speaker 7: alleging that the CIA had used American universities, hospitals, and
55:39
Speaker 7: prisons as secret laboratories for experiments involving LSD and other
55:45
Speaker 7: drugs on unwitting human subjects. Wes vigorously denied the allegations.
55:50
Speaker 7: He acknowledged that the agency had approached him, but insisted
55:54
Speaker 7: he had refused because he said LSD was too dangerous
55:57
Speaker 7: and unpredictable to be used on human He added that
56:01
Speaker 7: he limited all of his research with LSD to animals.
56:07
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, we do it live. That's an under lie,
56:09
Speaker 3: by the way, everyone.
56:13
Speaker 2: Yo, Jolly West could make people believe shit that didn't
56:15
Speaker 2: even happen. Yeah, he was. That's a false false memory
56:21
Speaker 2: implantation and ship. As soon as I heard that, you
56:24
Speaker 2: had to so wondering who the fuck's admitting to what
56:26
Speaker 2: and what it's even real? Yep, because he saw I
56:30
Speaker 2: think he saw all those people before they ever went
56:33
Speaker 2: to court, didn't he he did? I think the girls too, Yep.
56:37
Speaker 3: Yep. So he could take a handle on it. And
56:39
Speaker 3: he even talks about in this in this hearing about
56:42
Speaker 3: Jack Ruby, the person who killed uh what's his name?
56:47
Speaker 3: Who killed JFK and so. Yeah, so Jack Ruby was
56:53
Speaker 3: supposedly under Jolly West's control as well.
56:57
Speaker 7: The young people to murder complete strangers simply because he
57:01
Speaker 7: had told them to the pursuit of that answer. The
57:05
Speaker 7: pursuit of the answer to that question led me to
57:08
Speaker 7: doctor Lewis Julian West, known to his friends as Jolly. Wes,
57:13
Speaker 7: was one of the most influential psychiatrists in oswell Than.
57:16
Speaker 7: During his career, he crossed paths with some of the
57:19
Speaker 7: most controversial events of the twentieth century, including the Patty
57:22
Speaker 7: Hurst kidnapping case and the aftermath of the John F.
57:25
Speaker 7: Kennedy assassination investigation. In nineteen seventy seven, Wes was one
57:31
Speaker 7: of seven academic researchers named in a front page New
57:34
Speaker 7: York Times story alleging that the CIA had used American universities, hospitals,
57:40
Speaker 7: and prisons as secret laboratories for experiments involving LSD and
57:45
Speaker 7: other drugs on unwitting human subjects. Wes vigorously denied the allegations.
57:52
Speaker 7: He acknowledged that the agency had approached him, but insisted
57:55
Speaker 7: he had refused because he said LSD was too dangerous
57:58
Speaker 7: and unpredictable to be used on humans. He added that
58:02
Speaker 7: he limited all of his research with LSD to animals.
58:07
Speaker 7: The revelations in the Times led directly to the congressional
58:10
Speaker 7: hearings held later that year. West denials, however, were effective.
58:15
Speaker 7: He was never investigated, and his name never came up
58:18
Speaker 7: at the hearings. I'll spare you the long and tedious
58:21
Speaker 7: story of how my Manson reporting led to West led
58:25
Speaker 7: me to West, except to say that I eventually learned
58:28
Speaker 7: that in nineteen sixty seven, when Manson transformed into the
58:32
Speaker 7: cult leader we are familiar with today, he and his
58:35
Speaker 7: followers were receiving free medical clare care at a clinic
58:39
Speaker 7: in San Francisco where West had established a base of
58:42
Speaker 7: operations for a research project he was conducting nearby. After
58:47
Speaker 7: becoming intrigued by the allegations against West, I learned that UCLA,
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Speaker 7: his last academic homeb had inherited his paper following his
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Speaker 7: death in nineteen ninety nine. Nearly two months some more
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Speaker 7: than two hundred boxes later, I found the proverbial needle
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Speaker 7: in a haystack correspondence between West and doctor Sidney Gottlieb,
59:08
Speaker 7: the architect of m KAULTRA. The letters begin in nineteen
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Speaker 7: fifty three, just two months after CIA Director Alan Dulls
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Speaker 7: authorized the program, and while West was stationed at the
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Speaker 7: Lachlan Air Force base in San Antonio, Texas, where he
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Speaker 7: was chief psychiatrist at the base hospital. In his first
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Speaker 7: letter to Gottlieb, West proposed conducting experiments on unwitting human subjects,
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Speaker 7: including military personnel, prisoners, and psychiatric patients at the base hospital.
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Speaker 7: He then outlined the experiments themselves in six more pages
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Speaker 7: that could have been written by Joseph Mengele. Using LSD
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Speaker 7: and in combination with hypnosis, West prudos inducing confusion, amnesia,
59:52
Speaker 7: and specific mental disorders and people who would remember nothing
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Speaker 7: of their interaction with him afterward, to develop techniques to
1:00:01
Speaker 7: extract true information and implant false information and unwilling subjects,
1:00:06
Speaker 7: and to alter the attitudes and beliefs of quote previously
1:00:11
Speaker 7: loyal individuals, in other words, to completely switch their allegiance
1:00:15
Speaker 7: from one group or leader to another. But it was
1:00:18
Speaker 7: that sentence. But it was another sentence at the end
1:00:21
Speaker 7: of that letter that stopped me cold. These experiments, he wrote,
1:00:25
Speaker 7: must eventually be put to test in practical trials in
1:00:28
Speaker 7: the field. Gottlieb's response could hardly have been more enthusiastic.
1:00:34
Speaker 7: My good friend, he wrote, I had been wondering whether
1:00:36
Speaker 7: you're a parent rapid and comprehensive grasp of our problems
1:00:39
Speaker 7: could possibly be real. You have indeed developed an admirably
1:00:43
Speaker 7: accurate picture of exactly what we are after West replied
1:00:47
Speaker 7: that there was no more vital undertaking conceivable in these times.
1:00:52
Speaker 7: There was another document in west papers that had even
1:00:55
Speaker 7: more significant implications. It was a fourteen page report that
1:00:59
Speaker 7: West wrote in nineteen fifty six, just three years after
1:01:02
Speaker 7: he contracted with the CIA. In the report, West described
1:01:08
Speaker 7: administering LSD and other drugs in conjunction with hypnosis on
1:01:13
Speaker 7: unwitting human subjects, and then he made a remarkable claim.
1:01:17
Speaker 7: He announced that he had learned how to replace true
1:01:19
Speaker 7: memories with false memories and people without their knowledge. In
1:01:23
Speaker 7: other words, he clarified, it has been found to be
1:01:27
Speaker 7: feasible to take the memory of a definite event in
1:01:30
Speaker 7: the life of an individual, and, through hypnotic suggestion, bring
1:01:34
Speaker 7: about the subsequent conscious recall to the effect that this
1:01:38
Speaker 7: event never actually took place, but that a different fictional
1:01:43
Speaker 7: event actually did occur. If west report was accurate, this
1:01:47
Speaker 7: was not the failure agency officials described in nineteen seventy seven.
1:01:52
Speaker 7: Quite the opposite. It was, in fact the central ambition
1:01:56
Speaker 7: of the MK ultra operation the means of the ability
1:02:01
Speaker 7: to seize the control of a person's perceptions, memories, and
1:02:04
Speaker 7: ultimately their behavior. But there was still one more discovery,
1:02:08
Speaker 7: and this time I found it in the National Security
1:02:12
Speaker 7: Archives at George Washington University, the official repository of the
1:02:16
Speaker 7: CIA's and k Ultra records which were released to Congress
1:02:20
Speaker 7: after the nineteen seventy seven hearings. In those holdings were
1:02:24
Speaker 7: a different versions of West nineteen fifty six report. The
1:02:28
Speaker 7: original paper had been replaced by a four page summary
1:02:31
Speaker 7: that did not exist in West files and appears to
1:02:34
Speaker 7: have been written by someone else. His claims about replacing
1:02:38
Speaker 7: memories were gone, in their place with a theoretical discussion
1:02:43
Speaker 7: of LSD and disassociated states. The versions applied to Congress
1:02:47
Speaker 7: concluded that the effects of LSD and similar drugs on
1:02:51
Speaker 7: disassodiate disassociative states had and I'm quoting, never been studied.
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Speaker 3: God, Christ, isn't that crazy? Never been studied. The complete
1:03:07
Speaker 3: thing that they said it was that, you know, it's
1:03:09
Speaker 3: almost like it's a meta it's a it's a meta
1:03:12
Speaker 3: call of like, oh, that thing that was just written there,
1:03:14
Speaker 3: let's just erase that. Let's but it's actually never been
1:03:18
Speaker 3: been studied. We've never worried about that. We don't replace memories.
1:03:23
Speaker 3: We can't replace memories.
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Speaker 2: Nick, That's crazy how they could do that. I thought
1:03:28
Speaker 2: it was nuts. How like even how he said, like
1:03:30
Speaker 2: the conversation was just like they're even like on like
1:03:33
Speaker 2: like yeah, this is what we're supposed to be doing.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: Like that's like, how like what kind of megalomaniacs were they?
1:03:41
Speaker 3: You know?
1:03:41
Speaker 7: You know what I.
1:03:43
Speaker 2: Have arrived because I can actually mind fuck people like this.
1:03:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now think about all of the different cult
1:03:49
Speaker 3: leaders through time, and that's why Charles Manson is so important,
1:03:51
Speaker 3: because he didn't kill anybody, but he made other people
1:03:55
Speaker 3: be able to do it for them. And that timeframe
1:03:58
Speaker 3: and how many famous people hanging out with Charles Manson
1:04:01
Speaker 3: at that time, which is wild to think about a lot. Yeah,
1:04:06
Speaker 3: good question, Nick, Thanks Howard, Thanks everyone out there. As
1:04:08
Speaker 3: we go through this brilliant congressional hearing of MK Ultra,
1:04:12
Speaker 3: as they once upon a time tried to say that
1:04:14
Speaker 3: MK Ultra was a failure, and as we're coming to realize,
1:04:17
Speaker 3: all of you already know. I think a lot of
1:04:19
Speaker 3: you already realized that it was not a failure, and
1:04:22
Speaker 3: the exact proponents of what mk Ultra did are still
1:04:24
Speaker 3: being used against us today in an even better, not better,
1:04:28
Speaker 3: in an even finer, well more detailed way, because now
1:04:31
Speaker 3: we carry Mkultra around in our pockets, We stream from
1:04:36
Speaker 3: mk Ultra from one place to the next, and so
1:04:38
Speaker 3: it's fascinating to think that we are kind of hopefully
1:04:41
Speaker 3: using right. We found out on Monday, Kaiva and I
1:04:44
Speaker 3: that CERN created the Internet, the touch screen, as well
1:04:48
Speaker 3: as many other things. This CERN created these cell phones. Wow,
1:04:53
Speaker 3: you know you know what I mean, not only those
1:04:55
Speaker 3: cell phones, they then go on and creating, you know,
1:04:58
Speaker 3: along with mk Ultra and this black programs, creating the
1:05:01
Speaker 3: you know more understanding of the neural networks. These are
1:05:04
Speaker 3: extended versions of our own nervous system out here that
1:05:10
Speaker 3: are again closed loop systems to retrain and program us
1:05:14
Speaker 3: based upon the algorithms. So then that we do as
1:05:19
Speaker 3: we're told, But not here at Magus in the media,
1:05:24
Speaker 3: nor the occult rejects. We are here to help set
1:05:28
Speaker 3: you free, follow us down the rabbit hole as we
1:05:31
Speaker 3: set you free, one show at a time.
1:05:36
Speaker 2: There is no way to think an extension of our
1:05:39
Speaker 2: nervous system. Yeah, I would almost say, like your phone
1:05:42
Speaker 2: is like another set of eyes. It's just showing you
1:05:44
Speaker 2: shift from somewhere else. It is, Yeah, it is.
1:05:47
Speaker 3: And or like we talked about in our stream together
1:05:49
Speaker 3: with Kaiba the part two of our Ancient Scrying Black
1:05:52
Speaker 3: Mirror episode, right, these black mirrors in our pockets are
1:05:57
Speaker 3: picking up different dimensions and streaming them to us, the
1:06:00
Speaker 3: other people's imaginations as sick and dark and tormented as
1:06:04
Speaker 3: they are.
1:06:05
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, they definitely know how to
1:06:07
Speaker 2: read us by the fucking shit that they feed us
1:06:09
Speaker 2: in the advertisements. I mean, we know it. Fucking We'll
1:06:11
Speaker 2: talk about something on hand and then we'll have the
1:06:13
Speaker 2: shit on our phones two minutes later. Uh huh, Yes,
1:06:16
Speaker 2: I mean they obviously know what the fuck they're doing.
1:06:19
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, no, I completely agree. And let's
1:06:21
Speaker 3: finish out O'Neill's.
1:06:24
Speaker 2: Thing here.
1:06:25
Speaker 3: He's got at one O two is we do it live,
1:06:29
Speaker 3: and we do it together. We appreciate everyone. If you
1:06:32
Speaker 3: haven't subscribed, I can share it to both the rejects
1:06:34
Speaker 3: and to Magus in the media. We're gonna get a
1:06:37
Speaker 3: little This is a long one, so I might have
1:06:39
Speaker 3: to do a part too. Here eventually, because this is
1:06:44
Speaker 3: stuff that I find to be really really important for
1:06:48
Speaker 3: all of us to know, because if we don't know it,
1:06:50
Speaker 3: then it's going to be used against us. Oh. Correct.
1:06:55
Speaker 4: So that's where where he was. He operating out of
1:06:57
Speaker 4: Oklahoma for during this time with.
1:06:59
Speaker 7: Mister contracted with the CIA. He was at Lachlan Air
1:07:03
Speaker 7: Force Base. He was a chief psychiatrist at the hospital,
1:07:06
Speaker 7: so he began his experiments there a year after the
1:07:12
Speaker 7: letter that I quoted in my statement where he was
1:07:14
Speaker 7: describing what he wanted to do. A year later, on
1:07:19
Speaker 7: July third, nineteen fifty four, a three year old girl
1:07:23
Speaker 7: was abducted and found later in a gravel.
1:07:27
Speaker 3: They're talking about Jolly West right here.
1:07:29
Speaker 7: That murdered and next to a car that had been abandoned,
1:07:34
Speaker 7: and the search party that found the little girl's body
1:07:37
Speaker 7: was approached by a man who was an airman at
1:07:40
Speaker 7: the base and he asked them where he was and
1:07:44
Speaker 7: how he had gotten there. He was arrested for the
1:07:47
Speaker 7: murder and described by the military officers who had him
1:07:52
Speaker 7: in custody as being in a trance or days. He
1:07:55
Speaker 7: didn't have any drugs in his system. He didn't recognize
1:07:58
Speaker 7: his wife when she was brought to see him, and
1:08:01
Speaker 7: at his trial, where Jolly West was his advising psychiatrist,
1:08:05
Speaker 7: to exlaim and him. Of course, it emerged that he
1:08:09
Speaker 7: had actually been being treated at the hospital at Lackland
1:08:13
Speaker 7: in an experimental program to cure his chronic, debilitating migraine headaches.
1:08:19
Speaker 7: And he was executed four years later.
1:08:21
Speaker 4: And then years later he ends up volunteering to handle
1:08:27
Speaker 4: Jack Ruby West does yeah, right, thank you, thank you.
1:08:31
Speaker 1: Madam.
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Speaker 5: Sure so, just before we wrap up, is it in
1:08:34
Speaker 5: your expert opinion that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets
1:08:39
Speaker 5: of the intelligence agency specifically pertaining to m KLTRA.
1:08:42
Speaker 7: Were the Yeah, theoretically Manson, I've never been able to
1:08:46
Speaker 7: prove absolutely, Jack Ruby, I believe this is something else.
1:08:51
Speaker 7: The Warren Commission investigation on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles,
1:08:57
Speaker 7: the former CIA director who authorized and ran MT ALTER
1:09:02
Speaker 7: until he was fired by President Kennedy. The liaison to
1:09:06
Speaker 7: the Committee for the CIA who handled the information coming
1:09:10
Speaker 7: from the CIA back and forth to the Warrant Commission
1:09:12
Speaker 7: was Richard Holmes, who was a direct supervisor of Jolly West.
1:09:16
Speaker 7: They knew who West was, They knew that what West
1:09:20
Speaker 7: was capable and what they had paid him to do,
1:09:22
Speaker 7: and what he had reported to them that he could do,
1:09:24
Speaker 7: including inducing mental disorders and people, that was never disclosed
1:09:31
Speaker 7: to the Commission as far as anyone knows. So I
1:09:34
Speaker 7: believe that West was put in there to keep Jack
1:09:36
Speaker 7: Ruby from telling his story.
1:09:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild Now we're going to go over to the
1:09:42
Speaker 3: Nazi lineage as we continue through this. We'll probably gonna
1:09:46
Speaker 3: end the stream here pretty soon. But we got to
1:09:47
Speaker 3: understand where does that come into play.
1:09:52
Speaker 5: Tantation and concentration camps. The CIA military were aware of
1:09:55
Speaker 5: their backgrounds and recruited them. Anyways, in your research, did
1:09:59
Speaker 5: you find direct documentation between paper clip scientists and the
1:10:02
Speaker 5: development of m culture's experimental protocols, specifically the use of
1:10:05
Speaker 5: mescal and hypnosis and sensory deprivation, which were techniques also
1:10:10
Speaker 5: documented at DACAU.
1:10:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely Kert Bloema, who was the chief of biological weapons
1:10:18
Speaker 1: development for the Nazi government, came to work.
1:10:20
Speaker 2: For the CIA.
1:10:22
Speaker 1: So did Walter Schreiber, who was the surgeon general of
1:10:24
Speaker 1: the Nazi Army. I can just tell a brief story.
1:10:29
Speaker 1: When I was researching my book, I found what I
1:10:31
Speaker 1: think might be the first secret CIA prison or black site.
1:10:35
Speaker 1: It's a nice chalet in Germany, and the guy who
1:10:39
Speaker 1: now owns it took me into the basement. He said,
1:10:42
Speaker 1: these were the cells where the mk ULTRA officers, working
1:10:47
Speaker 1: side by side with Nazis, carried out those gruesome experiments,
1:10:52
Speaker 1: which were actually just continuations of the experiments that those
1:10:58
Speaker 1: Nazis had been conducted just a few years earlier, right
1:11:01
Speaker 1: down the road.
1:11:02
Speaker 5: Just for timeline and clarification, these experiments were happening after
1:11:05
Speaker 5: the Nuremberg trials, correct, so the CEE I would have
1:11:07
Speaker 5: known that these were crimes against humanity.
1:11:10
Speaker 1: I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines
1:11:13
Speaker 1: were posted on the wall in some mk ULTRA or
1:11:16
Speaker 1: CIA office, and I was never able to find any
1:11:19
Speaker 1: indication that those Nuremberg principles ever were even consulted, much
1:11:23
Speaker 1: less obeyed wild Nuremberg.
1:11:27
Speaker 2: I don't think we even agreed to him. I don't
1:11:29
Speaker 2: think our country has to even follow them.
1:11:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: No.
1:11:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think like literally, like whatever country signed it,
1:11:35
Speaker 2: we're not only like whatever laws we prosecuted them with,
1:11:39
Speaker 2: we're not under this is that crazy?
1:11:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, best country, best country in the in the in
1:11:45
Speaker 3: the entire world following all the rules bill.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: And one that I would urge you to pursue is
1:11:51
Speaker 1: what was Sidney Gottlieb doing during two years in Germany?
1:11:55
Speaker 1: He went to Germany and went to live there as
1:11:57
Speaker 1: a case officer. I was never able to find out
1:12:00
Speaker 1: what did he do during two years in Germany? There
1:12:03
Speaker 1: were huge numbers of mk ultra experiments going on in Germany,
1:12:06
Speaker 1: including a number that were fatal. That would be a
1:12:09
Speaker 1: very interesting catch of documents to find.
1:12:12
Speaker 5: We will definitely be falling up. My next question would
1:12:14
Speaker 5: be for either doctor Yo.
1:12:17
Speaker 2: You know, I meant to say earlier Oswald. Yeah, you know,
1:12:21
Speaker 2: because I would say Jack Ruby kind of all that
1:12:23
Speaker 2: ties in Oh yeah, Ruby killed Oswald. Yeah, I wondered
1:12:26
Speaker 2: about Oswald. He went over to Russia and when he
1:12:29
Speaker 2: was over there, he was working on whatever that vaccine
1:12:34
Speaker 2: that the polio vaccine, and that fucked people up.
1:12:41
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gave people polio.
1:12:43
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I think there was something in it
1:12:46
Speaker 2: also that might have caused cancer that supposedly was used
1:12:49
Speaker 2: in the COVID vaccine. So you know, you do like
1:12:53
Speaker 2: he went over there and then came back, so like
1:12:55
Speaker 2: even wonder like, like who the for all. You know,
1:12:58
Speaker 2: Oswald was someone who was a patsy for something because
1:13:02
Speaker 2: he worked on a project and they wanted him shut
1:13:04
Speaker 2: the fuck up and killed.
1:13:05
Speaker 3: I completely agree. Yeah, I definite Patsy. Definitely Patsy, Definitely
1:13:10
Speaker 3: connect Oswald connected too. Interesting enough, We talked about it
1:13:13
Speaker 3: in a few of our streams with the Principal Discordia
1:13:16
Speaker 3: and Carrie Thornley, who's one of the creators of the
1:13:20
Speaker 3: Principal Discordia and Discordianism in the sixties in the seventies,
1:13:24
Speaker 3: the whole chaos magic scene and integration to that. So
1:13:26
Speaker 3: it's like, what is magic, Matt? What is the new cult?
1:13:28
Speaker 3: To Matt. If you don't see the through line of
1:13:31
Speaker 3: the occult and the esoteric and magic and mysticism and
1:13:34
Speaker 3: all this, I can't help you, you know. And so
1:13:42
Speaker 3: it's just really important to know is if you're not
1:13:44
Speaker 3: getting in control of your nervous system, somebody else is
1:13:46
Speaker 3: doing it for you.
1:13:48
Speaker 7: Three, just two months after CIA Director Alan Dellas authorized
1:13:53
Speaker 7: the program, and while West was stationed at the Lachland
1:13:56
Speaker 7: Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, where he was
1:13:59
Speaker 7: chief chiefs Psychiatrists at the base hospital. In his first
1:14:03
Speaker 7: letter to Gottlieb, West proposed conducting experiments on unwitting human subjects,
1:14:09
Speaker 7: including military personnel, prisoners, and psychiatric patients at the base hospital.
1:14:14
Speaker 7: He then outlined the experiments themselves in six more pages
1:14:19
Speaker 7: that could have been written by Joseph Mendeley. Using LSD
1:14:22
Speaker 7: in combination with hypnosis, West pridos inducing confusion, amnesia, and
1:14:27
Speaker 7: specific mental disorders, and people who would remember nothing of
1:14:31
Speaker 7: their interaction with him afterward. He sought to develop techniques
1:14:36
Speaker 7: to extract true information and implant false information and unwilling subjects,
1:14:41
Speaker 7: and to alter the attitudes and beliefs of previously loyal individuals,
1:14:47
Speaker 7: in other words, to completely switch their allegiance from one
1:14:50
Speaker 7: group or leader to another. But it was that sentence.
1:14:54
Speaker 7: But it was another sentence at the end of that
1:14:56
Speaker 7: letter that stopped me cold. These experiments, he wrote, must
1:15:00
Speaker 7: eventually be put to test in practical trials in the field.
1:15:05
Speaker 7: Gottlieb's response could hardly have been more enthusiastic. My good friend,
1:15:09
Speaker 7: he wrote, I had been wondering whether your apparent, rapid
1:15:12
Speaker 7: and comprehensive grasp of our problems could possibly be real.
1:15:16
Speaker 7: You have indeed developed an admirably accurate picture of exactly
1:15:20
Speaker 7: what we are after West replied that there was no
1:15:23
Speaker 7: more vital undertaking conceivable in these times. There was another
1:15:28
Speaker 7: document in west papers that had even more significant implications.
1:15:32
Speaker 7: It was a fourteen page report that West wrote in
1:15:35
Speaker 7: nineteen fifty six, just three years after he contracted with
1:15:38
Speaker 7: the CIA. In the report, Wes described administering LSD and
1:15:44
Speaker 7: other drugs in conjunction with hypnosis on unwitting human subjects,
1:15:49
Speaker 7: and then he made a remarkable claim. He announced that
1:15:52
Speaker 7: he had learned how to replace true memories with false
1:15:55
Speaker 7: memories and people without their knowledge. In other words, he clarified,
1:16:00
Speaker 7: it has been found to be feasible to take the
1:16:03
Speaker 7: memory of a definite event in the life of an individual, and,
1:16:07
Speaker 7: through hypnotic suggestion, bring about the subsequent conscious recall to
1:16:12
Speaker 7: the effect that this event never actually took place, but
1:16:15
Speaker 7: that a different fictional event actually did occur. If west
1:16:21
Speaker 7: report was accurate, this was not the failure agency officials
1:16:24
Speaker 7: described in nineteen seventy seven. Quite the opposite. It was,
1:16:29
Speaker 7: in fact the central ambition of the mk Ultra operation,
1:16:33
Speaker 7: the means of gaining the ability to seize the control
1:16:37
Speaker 7: of a person's perceptions memories and ultimately their behavior.
1:16:41
Speaker 3: Very important, very important guys out there. If you're not scared,
1:16:47
Speaker 3: you should be. But what happens when we're scared. That's
1:16:51
Speaker 3: a test, the test to take control of your own
1:16:54
Speaker 3: nervous system so you don't fear, because fear is the
1:16:58
Speaker 3: mind killer. I think, I think Nick, I think we're
1:17:01
Speaker 3: gonna have to do a part two. What do you
1:17:02
Speaker 3: think you game?
1:17:02
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, yeah, I'm totally done for that. Yeah, I'm
1:17:04
Speaker 2: always into m Koltur Nazi stuff. I love that shit.
1:17:07
Speaker 3: Great because I got a bunch more for us to
1:17:09
Speaker 3: listen to here. So we're gonna continue this beautiful show,
1:17:12
Speaker 3: this wonderful time with Nick and myself because we there's
1:17:18
Speaker 3: some strange things going on. And again, if you're not
1:17:20
Speaker 3: in control of yourself, somebody else is. They're pushing the buttons.
1:17:23
Speaker 3: They learn how to do this for a through a
1:17:25
Speaker 3: lot of things that were once upon a time conspiracy.
1:17:28
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is interesting though. How much that used
1:17:35
Speaker 2: to be considered like you're crazy. Just saying that stuff
1:17:39
Speaker 2: is now like accepted, Like I've even noticed that even
1:17:41
Speaker 2: when it was that my fault that sends me now
1:17:43
Speaker 2: and like text messages, I was like if I was
1:17:46
Speaker 2: sending you this like ten years ago, You're like, what
1:17:48
Speaker 2: the fuck want?
1:17:50
Speaker 3: Yep, but isn't that crazy?
1:17:51
Speaker 2: It's okay now because the fucking TV told you this
1:17:53
Speaker 2: shit's real.
1:17:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. It's like that with a
1:17:58
Speaker 3: lot of associates, once once friends, now associates where they're
1:18:01
Speaker 3: all like, well, but they don't say you were right.
1:18:03
Speaker 3: They say so you know, NBC says, Fox News says,
1:18:09
Speaker 3: my favorite streamer says, and I'm all like, I'm your friend.
1:18:11
Speaker 3: I've been telling you this for a long time. Why
1:18:14
Speaker 3: why can't you Because you're a You're in a cult,
1:18:17
Speaker 3: that's why. Because you're in a cult, and you can't
1:18:19
Speaker 3: stray from your scientology, right, No, you know, no, no,
1:18:23
Speaker 3: no hate on the scientology you know, l Ron Hubbard
1:18:26
Speaker 3: and his taking of the Golden Dawn stuff and croolty
1:18:29
Speaker 3: stuff and making a massive church.
1:18:32
Speaker 7: You know.
1:18:33
Speaker 3: But you know, because I don't want any science, you know,
1:18:35
Speaker 3: I don't want you know, I don't have the CA
1:18:37
Speaker 3: come after me than scientology.
1:18:38
Speaker 2: Right, be cheaper, Probably be cheaper, That's what I'm saying.
1:18:44
Speaker 3: But who knows, we could be psyops ourselves, Nick and I.
1:18:49
Speaker 3: Who knows we could just be shadows on a wall.
1:18:52
Speaker 3: So don't believe us. Do your own research, because when
1:18:55
Speaker 3: you do your own research, you become your own hermeticist,
1:18:58
Speaker 3: your own magician. And we are continually trying to remind
1:19:01
Speaker 3: you again that becoming a sovereign magician and understanding that
1:19:06
Speaker 3: even maybe your favorite YouTuber, your favorite content creator, your
1:19:12
Speaker 3: favorite artist, no matter who they are, the favorite occultist,
1:19:17
Speaker 3: most likely they're trying to feed you full of something
1:19:20
Speaker 3: that they want you to buy. Even I here, I'm
1:19:23
Speaker 3: trying to get you to subscribe. I can share by
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1:19:32
Speaker 3: and bringing you these things. But there's some kind of difference,
1:19:36
Speaker 3: is that there's an exchange here, And the difference is
1:19:40
Speaker 3: that I am open, authentic and honest and telling you
1:19:43
Speaker 3: exactly what's happening, that I am understanding the world through myth,
1:19:48
Speaker 3: magic and meaning in all of the stories that you love,
1:19:51
Speaker 3: and even the ones that you don't, because the ones
1:19:53
Speaker 3: that you don't, if they are inversions from some black
1:19:56
Speaker 3: op government program, from some CIA mockingbird media, from some
1:20:02
Speaker 3: director who's implanted from you know, some MK Ultramankerian candidate
1:20:06
Speaker 3: who's talking to some Sumerian AI overlord who knows what's
1:20:10
Speaker 3: going on.
1:20:12
Speaker 7: I don't.
1:20:13
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to tell you the things that I've.
1:20:15
Speaker 2: Seen, right, so many to connect with them, so many,
1:20:22
Speaker 2: but so many.
1:20:23
Speaker 3: Because of it's it's doing exactly what magicians are doing.
1:20:27
Speaker 3: It's hypnosis. How many magicians do you know there are? Hypnosis?
1:20:30
Speaker 3: Angel Miller, who we love Angel I like Angel, I
1:20:35
Speaker 3: like his books, and I like his work. But he's
1:20:37
Speaker 3: a he's to learn hypnosis. Mesmer right, mesmer in all
1:20:41
Speaker 3: his work was about hypnosis and understanding the fine vibrations
1:20:44
Speaker 3: and subtleties of.
1:20:45
Speaker 2: The nervous about him and the Hypnosis series a lot.
1:20:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those are just other words for trying to
1:20:53
Speaker 3: kick control of the mind, animal magnetism exactly. And so
1:20:56
Speaker 3: even the words have changed shape because the culture has
1:20:59
Speaker 3: changed through time.
1:21:00
Speaker 2: And it has exactly what I even show too, how
1:21:03
Speaker 2: things kind of change shape. But if you really look
1:21:05
Speaker 2: at it, there's still almost this underlying commonality that all
1:21:09
Speaker 2: those theories still had.
1:21:11
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, vibrators still get.
1:21:16
Speaker 2: That way. That's that's not even the question, it's how yep.
1:21:21
Speaker 3: It's how right, And so we live in an age
1:21:25
Speaker 3: of discord. And what do we do in ages of discord?
1:21:28
Speaker 1: I do?
1:21:28
Speaker 3: And I tell you the same thing I tell my
1:21:30
Speaker 3: students when I'm teaching them tai chi or gung any
1:21:34
Speaker 3: kind of gung fu mixed martial arts. It's that we
1:21:36
Speaker 3: need to first root ourselves, connect to the earth, and
1:21:41
Speaker 3: find your center. And I think that is how we
1:21:46
Speaker 3: build from there to become the king, the philosopher, the magician,
1:21:52
Speaker 3: the lover, and the warrior. So I think this is fantastic.
1:21:58
Speaker 3: As they say in I think this liber liber Until
1:22:01
Speaker 3: you have gained control of all four elements, you shall
1:22:05
Speaker 3: never be able to, you know, evokeer, invoke the demons
1:22:09
Speaker 3: of the goetia, let alone try to ask for accordance
1:22:13
Speaker 3: with the divine realm and the angels. And so to
1:22:16
Speaker 3: find that balance, you must be in control of these
1:22:19
Speaker 3: four elements, right, the lower points of the of the
1:22:22
Speaker 3: of the pentagram, with the spirit raised up forward, all
1:22:26
Speaker 3: four elements below it. And I think that's just really important. Nick,
1:22:30
Speaker 3: tell them where they can find you, tell them all
1:22:32
Speaker 3: the stuff you're working on. We're gonna do this again soon, maybe.
1:22:34
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, Oh yeah, tomorrow, actually would work out far for me.
1:22:37
Speaker 3: Great, We're gonna do it tomorrow in the day, same time.
1:22:39
Speaker 3: Everyone out there come back to us, but tell them
1:22:41
Speaker 3: where you're at.
1:22:42
Speaker 2: The Occult Rejects, yeah a bit, shoot Rumble YouTube and
1:22:46
Speaker 2: all major podcasts. Yeah, check it out. I got some
1:22:50
Speaker 2: really cool stuff coming out soon with the mccarren's and Magic,
1:22:52
Speaker 2: I got Hypnosis, I got stuff on the eyeball. It
1:22:54
Speaker 2: should be interesting.
1:22:56
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, that's that's great. That's great, that's fantastic. We
1:23:02
Speaker 3: live in such strange times and I'm just grateful to
1:23:05
Speaker 3: be able to deal with such a fine man as yourself.
1:23:08
Speaker 2: With you, man, I always truly enjoy kick it with you.
1:23:12
Speaker 2: It's great.
1:23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's okay. And everybody knows where they can
1:23:15
Speaker 3: find me magas in the media and all major podcasting things.
1:23:18
Speaker 3: I'm putting it up one man team here, putting it
1:23:21
Speaker 3: up on Spotify and Apple here soon. All of you
1:23:24
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1:23:30
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1:23:33
Speaker 3: the archons and teach you all magic and gung fu
1:23:36
Speaker 3: that which is coming from the internal out as well
1:23:40
Speaker 3: as the beauty, my own muse, the great Goddess herself,
1:23:45
Speaker 3: Kaiva Rose. She is also a great divine light of
1:23:48
Speaker 3: guidance in these strange times, and so even though she's
1:23:51
Speaker 3: not here, she is one of the fellow co hosts
1:23:54
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1:24:02
Speaker 3: She is a traditional astrologer who's fighting the pop astrology demons.
1:24:06
Speaker 3: They're everywhere out there. Traditional astrology is the way to go.
1:24:11
Speaker 3: She's a terror reader. She does all those things. So
1:24:13
Speaker 3: you can find her at eleven Kivorros thirty three and
1:24:16
Speaker 3: are many different and beautiful cohorts. We love Jewels and
1:24:21
Speaker 3: his Gray Pill, Judith Ethan, Indigo Jin. They're all there,
1:24:26
Speaker 3: you know. Robbie Marx is streaming the ether waves of
1:24:30
Speaker 3: the fucking Festi scene currently right now, so we wish
1:24:35
Speaker 3: him luck on that. And again, me and the occult
1:24:39
Speaker 3: Rejects we deeply integrated, as we were both sovereign magicians
1:24:42
Speaker 3: trying to fight off both those in the nonsensical Western
1:24:46
Speaker 3: occult spheres as well as the scientific materialists, as well
1:24:49
Speaker 3: as all those or retards out there on the X
1:24:52
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1:25:02
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1:25:04
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1:25:06
Speaker 3: going to continue this brilliant congressional hearing. MK Ultra, what
1:25:11
Speaker 3: was revealed and where did the research go? Thank you
1:25:14
Speaker 3: and have a great day. Goodbye.