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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-16-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Habit Pasday, have a body.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven ninety two
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  Speaker 2: on FM.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to be with you. It is another very hot
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  Speaker 3: day in the Salt Lake Valley. The slight haze slash
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  Speaker 3: overcast nature of yesterday had me thinking it was going
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  Speaker 3: to cool down some. And then I walked outside this
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  Speaker 3: morning and it just added a little bit of humidity
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  Speaker 3: to the air, just made it a little bit hotter.
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  Speaker 3: No big deal. But we are lucky to have these
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  Speaker 3: great summer months. Hopefully you're enjoying them. Hopefully you're out
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  Speaker 3: and about with the family. Hopefully you're taking some summer vacations.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to be here at our Broadway studios with
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  Speaker 3: you to talk to and with all these great sports
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  Speaker 3: to talk about. The Open, the Open Championship, the British
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  Speaker 3: Open has begun.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it today.
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  Speaker 3: John Wright's gonna swing by, one of our golf insiders,
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 4: Is a great job by you, just covering all the
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  Speaker 4: bases there, The the Open, British Open, Open Championship.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta you gotta call it all of them right so
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  Speaker 1: that you get the one right.
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  Speaker 3: You got to make sure that you're getting, at least
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  Speaker 3: whichever it is, the Royal Birkdale. I don't know much
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  Speaker 3: about the course, but that's why we're bringing John right on.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: He was just and he told us last time it
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  Speaker 4: was on OC if you remember he was he was
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  Speaker 4: playing in the inn a senior am across the pond.
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  Speaker 4: So he's got a little not course knowledge in Royal Birkdale,
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  Speaker 4: but he's got a little knowledge on the links golf
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  Speaker 4: over there because he was just he was just over
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  Speaker 4: there playing some golf.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Just going back to all the names real quick. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if you heard Mike Turco on with Dan
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  Speaker 4: Patrick today.
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 4: NBC has the coverage, NBC USA, Peacock, all the NBC
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  Speaker 4: networks and affiliates, and so Tarrico's on the call this
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  Speaker 4: weekend and Dan was like, when I'm old enough to
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  Speaker 4: remember when we called it the British Open, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: what when did it?
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  Speaker 1: When did it change?
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  Speaker 4: And Tarico was like, yeah, at first, when you and
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  Speaker 4: I first started covering it, it was the British Open
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  Speaker 4: here in America. Then it changed to the Open Championship
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  Speaker 4: about twenty twenty five years ago, he said, And now
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  Speaker 4: it's just the open.
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  Speaker 3: So we're streamlining everything, you know what I mean? Remember that,
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  Speaker 3: Remember a couple of years back when they decided that
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  Speaker 3: dot com was too much for people to have to
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  Speaker 3: type out, so they were trying to make dot co
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  Speaker 3: on everything.
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  Speaker 4: And the WWW was the beginning. And now it's just like,
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  Speaker 4: don't even worry about that.
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  Speaker 3: We used to have to say www it Now they're
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  Speaker 3: just like, don't even It's just because everyone knows Worldwide
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  Speaker 3: Web goes at the beginning, yes, And honestly, it just
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  Speaker 3: fills it in for you when you put in you know,
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  Speaker 3: s men seven eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred. Do you still type in the www when
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  Speaker 3: you're going to a website? Because I do? You do?
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  Speaker 3: I do?
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  Speaker 1: I never do?
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I do every single time. And I just
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  Speaker 3: blind tested myself because you know, I'm on my home
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  Speaker 3: row keys here all right, I'm just in full autopilot,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to go to a website. I'm hitting
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  Speaker 3: www dot and then the auto field happens after that.
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  Speaker 1: I have not broken away so much. I've wasted so
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  Speaker 1: much time.
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  Speaker 3: And my ring finger on my left hand is wearing
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  Speaker 3: out much faster.
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  Speaker 1: Than it needs be a lot more often with that.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, there's gonna be somebody listening right now,
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  Speaker 3: who's gonna visit me in a nursing home when I'm
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  Speaker 3: like seventy nine years old, and they're gonna notice that
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  Speaker 3: I have this nasty, gnarled ring finger, and somebody's gonna
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  Speaker 3: come in and they're just gonna be like a idiot.
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  Speaker 1: That's because you kept typing www.
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  Speaker 4: No, They're gonna remember you were a fighter and be
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  Speaker 4: like is that what was that a fight thing? And
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  Speaker 4: you're like, no, that and you have to tell them no,
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  Speaker 4: it's just typing www.
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  Speaker 3: I would never tell the truth on that. I would
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  Speaker 3: Why would one thousand? Because Yeah, I fought a grizzly
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  Speaker 3: bear and that's how this finger got on gnarled.
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  Speaker 1: I still do it, but we.
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  Speaker 3: We've like we've done it with the Open Championship that
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  Speaker 3: is now supposed to be the Open In any case,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna talk with John right about it. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have Gordy Chase in studio for an hour today. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: We've got Craig Bowler Jack joining us toward the end
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  Speaker 3: of the show. JP Chunga to talk a little World
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  Speaker 3: Cup and I know that people are getting worn out
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  Speaker 3: on what is not America's pastime.
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  Speaker 1: However, I have to make this confession. Guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know how much a prisoner of the moment I am,
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  Speaker 3: and so I've done some real soul searching making sure
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  Speaker 3: that what I'm about to say is not one hundred
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  Speaker 3: percent based on.
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  Speaker 1: The World Cup hype.
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  Speaker 3: And fervor that I find myself caught up in riding
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  Speaker 3: that wave.
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  Speaker 1: I am to an extent.
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  Speaker 3: But here's how I tested it out this past weekend,
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  Speaker 3: Friday night, with my children, with my wife, with my
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  Speaker 3: little brother Patrick, who was hanging out with us for
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  Speaker 3: a while when my parents were on a vacation. Shout
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  Speaker 3: out to Patrick. He's now back in Oklahoma. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of miss him today. He's been a regular. He's
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  Speaker 3: been lurking in the corner of the studio just laughing
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  Speaker 3: at my ridiculous jokes, making me feel good about myself.
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  Speaker 4: Some of his laughs, just if you're listening very closely,
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  Speaker 4: you heard it just barely get picked up on the mic.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're wondering what that who's laughing at oc,
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  Speaker 4: it was his brother's brother, Patrick, Patrick's the man.
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  Speaker 3: But we flew him back home. I didn't fly him
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  Speaker 3: back home. He flew back home yesterday to Oklahoma. But
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  Speaker 3: on Friday night we all went out to America First
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  Speaker 3: Field and we watched the Utah Royals losing effort against
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  Speaker 3: Gotham FC. But we watched the Utah Royals. We watched
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  Speaker 3: the Drone show.
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  Speaker 4: I love I love that they're not in New York,
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  Speaker 4: that they're Gotham. It's actually anxiety. It's actually really great.
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  Speaker 4: And their uniforms are great.
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  Speaker 3: They've got that statue of Liberty green like it's a
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  Speaker 3: it's a good brand. Okay, I don't like that they
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  Speaker 3: beat the Utah Royals, but we went out and we
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  Speaker 3: watched that, and then and then on this weekend we're
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  Speaker 3: watching more soccer, and then you know, we're watching World
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  Speaker 3: Cup semi finals on Tuesday and on Wednesday while the
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  Speaker 3: show's happening, and after the show is happening, we're watching
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  Speaker 3: these and of course I'm like, oh man, did you
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  Speaker 3: see that cross by Messi and the header to put
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  Speaker 3: it in the back of the goal, And the comeback
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  Speaker 3: against England, and the nitty gritty and the violence and
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  Speaker 3: the fervor of that game, and they're just getting after
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  Speaker 3: one another and it's an intense rivalry, even though the
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  Speaker 3: vast majority of players on both sides were so young
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  Speaker 3: they didn't participate the last time, well, none of them
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  Speaker 3: participated the last time they played. A lot of them
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  Speaker 3: weren't even alive the last time they played twenty four
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  Speaker 3: years ago. But there's like a cultural understanding of that
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  Speaker 3: rivalry that again is new to me. And it was
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  Speaker 3: fun to watch it play out, and it was fun
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  Speaker 3: to see the referee try to handle it and they
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  Speaker 3: kind of settled into things in the second half and
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  Speaker 3: Argentina in the space of what nine minutes, eliminated England
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  Speaker 3: after England was up for most of the second half.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a lot of criticism from the soccer folks
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  Speaker 4: nationally saying talking about how England took their foot off
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  Speaker 4: the gas too early. They got their gold and they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're fine. Yes, the they weren't fine.
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  Speaker 3: Their manager is being derided and people are calling for
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  Speaker 3: his head and they want a change in English football
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  Speaker 3: because they thought it was a coming home. They've been
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  Speaker 3: chanting that for weeks now, it's coming home, it's coming home,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not coming home. We actually so we've got
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  Speaker 3: fights in Austin, Texas tomorrow and a guy fighting in
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  Speaker 3: the co main event is this English kid from Manchester
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  Speaker 3: right like a like a proper like gritty English industrial
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  Speaker 3: neighborhood kid brawler. Like his name is Lewis mcgrilla. He's
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  Speaker 3: a little ginger, he's his family is Irish immigrants to England.
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  Speaker 3: He's just like he's a peaky blinders okay. And we
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  Speaker 3: have the PFL has they're like social media team doing
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  Speaker 3: face offs and stuff like that. And his opponent, his
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  Speaker 3: opponent is a guy who is a Brazilian Argentine and
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  Speaker 3: they instead of talking trash about the fight when they
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  Speaker 3: went face to face, they were talking trash to one
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  Speaker 3: another about the World Cup matchup. And our guy was
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  Speaker 3: pounding his chest and saying it's coming home, It's coming home,
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  Speaker 3: It's coming home. And obviously the social media team for
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  Speaker 3: the PFL released that before before the result yesterday and
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  Speaker 3: England is out Argentina moves on, loved it, watched it.
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  Speaker 3: Intense game, incredible brilliance. Leo Messi affects the game a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Even when he doesn't score in a game, he's the
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  Speaker 3: one who sets up these goals and you know you're
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  Speaker 3: starting to develop as a guy who has just been kind,
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  Speaker 3: not I will, I've ever been really anti soccer. Shout
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  Speaker 3: out to my soccer friends who always made fun of
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  Speaker 3: I've never authentically been anti soccer.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Clay. Shout out.
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  Speaker 3: So I got Clay Christiansen all right, and like always
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  Speaker 3: made fun of him. Let's be honest in school, Let's
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  Speaker 3: be honest. I've always liked soccer girls, my wife, you know,
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  Speaker 3: But I've never been anti soccer. But I've never been
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  Speaker 3: on board. I've never been on the bandwagon. I've always
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  Speaker 3: been kind of like, Okay, I'll try. I'll try. When
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  Speaker 3: the first time I worked at ESPN seven hundred decade ago, right,
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  Speaker 3: we were the broadcast home of RSLF, so we talked
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  Speaker 3: a lot more RSL and I was like, I will,
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  Speaker 3: I will slog through this like I pretend like I
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about, Pretend like I care about
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  Speaker 3: Hamisin Olave and Nick Ramondo and all these guys. But
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  Speaker 3: it just never really, it never really caught on as
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  Speaker 3: much as I when I would go experience it, when
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  Speaker 3: I go watch the games live, I would like it.
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  Speaker 3: I never was like I'm going to watch this on TV.
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  Speaker 3: And James. I have a confession to make now. I
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  Speaker 3: I have become I'm not going to pretend to die hard,
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  Speaker 3: but I've become a soccer fan, a real one, and
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  Speaker 3: I tested it out by last night. We went out
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  Speaker 3: to RSL Burnley FC and there's a lot going on stadium, food,
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  Speaker 3: best friend and his wife are there, my wife is there,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of conversation to be had. I'm glued to
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  Speaker 3: the pitch man for one victory for RSL. I'm pumped
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  Speaker 3: up on everything that's going on right now. Moon Man
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  Speaker 3: scores a PK to make it for one. Like you
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  Speaker 3: saw some really really good things from RSL, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you know what it's happened. I'm finally, at
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  Speaker 3: age forty two, almost forty three, I've finally become a
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  Speaker 3: soccer fan, a real one.
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  Speaker 4: You're you're hooked, So you get in MLS season pass
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  Speaker 4: on Apple now so you can watch the rest.
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  Speaker 1: Of the season. Thankfully, I already have it. Oh you
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  Speaker 1: got it, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Because I as a sports dude, right I made the
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  Speaker 3: decision a long time ago that I am going to
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  Speaker 3: just pay for whatever sports packages are necessary so I
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: have everything, hold all the sports, all of them, even
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  Speaker 3: if you're not watching one of them very much.
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  Speaker 1: You're just so you can.
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  Speaker 3: Because when you call, when you call like your your
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  Speaker 3: cable providers and you're just like, I need all the sports,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just like, okay, there's like this premium package's
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  Speaker 3: five million channels. You're like, I just give me whatever
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  Speaker 3: is all the sports. I have access to every college
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  Speaker 3: football game, every NFL football game, every whatever, and nobody
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  Speaker 3: really has all of it. But they're like okay, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, married to a soccer person, so yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: Apple TV, uh, max out the subscription there, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, is it going to
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  Speaker 3: ever jump to the like number one place for me? No,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably always going to be like five, because it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be football, basketball, well for me, football hockey
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  Speaker 3: basketball actually football, MMA, hockey basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, get your fighting in there and then you know
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  Speaker 1: soccer is.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be there. Golf, the golf, you're up next. Okay, golf,
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  Speaker 3: you've never been able to win me over. Maybe now
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  Speaker 3: is the year. Maybe I'm open to.
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  Speaker 1: New experiences here in TWI look at you. Maybe I'm
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  Speaker 1: open to the open this year.
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  Speaker 3: But I confess I lay myself before the listeners fellow
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  Speaker 3: sports fans and say that it finally happened. I've finally
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  Speaker 3: become an actual soccer fan. And it's not just the
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  Speaker 3: World Cup, because Burnley FC and RSL had nothing to
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  Speaker 3: do with the World Cup last night, and I was very,
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  Speaker 3: very into it. I was very excited about what I
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  Speaker 3: saw from RSL and they're third in the West right now,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, this might be a year we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about at least a deep playoff run for RSL. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm jumping on board the Clareton Cobalt bandwagon, all right,
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  Speaker 3: and the sport overall of soccer. I now want to
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  Speaker 3: see how Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane and all these
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  Speaker 3: guys react on their pro club assignments to the devastation
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  Speaker 3: of being eliminated. Want I cannot wait to see how
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  Speaker 3: Spain and Argentina try to handle one another in a
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  Speaker 3: World Cup final. And uh yeah, the wave has carried
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  Speaker 3: me into a spot or I'm actually I think I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna stay. I think I'm gonna stay here and I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna like soccer.
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  Speaker 5: And you're you're.
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  Speaker 4: Glued to the third place game England France on Saturday too, like.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not as much that. See, here's there's a there's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a limit to fandom. Right, I'm a diehard
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  Speaker 3: college football fan. You won't you won't catch me watching
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  Speaker 3: all four quarters of.
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  Speaker 1: Maction, right. That's just Porter Larson.
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  Speaker 3: We have lives, all right. Porter is the only one
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  Speaker 3: who dialed into all of action. I'm glad we got
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  Speaker 3: that confession out of the way.
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  Speaker 4: I I let me ask you this real quick before
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  Speaker 4: we move on. Does this mean you're gonna Are you
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  Speaker 4: gonna try to adopt a Premier League team or a
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  Speaker 4: La Liga team, siia whatever that I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe down the road. It's too much
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  Speaker 3: to ask now, You're not ready right now. It's too
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  Speaker 3: much to ask right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's also a commitment because those are in Europe, and
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  Speaker 4: those are like you're you have to The primetime slot
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  Speaker 4: in Europe is getting up way early in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: I know the soccer fans who who love their soccer
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  Speaker 4: Sunday at seven am, I'm like, I can't do.
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  Speaker 3: Also, you know, I'll also say this. I used to
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  Speaker 3: be this way, but I grew annoyed with it and
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: annoyed with people that were like this something that actually
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: irritates me as a bit of a pet peeve that
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I can't really explain is when you find someone who
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  Speaker 3: like adopts something, adopts like a new hobby or adopts
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  Speaker 3: a new interest where you're going, and it becomes like
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  Speaker 3: a core personality trait for that person and clearly just
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  Speaker 3: they're They're riding a high. It going to come down soon,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Stop this.
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  Speaker 3: And the place you see it most often is with
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  Speaker 3: like fitness. People will for the first time in their
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  Speaker 3: life start working out and then they changed their Instagram
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  Speaker 3: handled to like James Peterson Fit, and then they're posting
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  Speaker 3: like workout videos and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Actually James Peterson swollen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna go that. I'm not gonna do
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  Speaker 3: that thing where I like pretend that soccer is now
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  Speaker 3: a core personality trait because you can't sustain that, right,
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  Speaker 3: you can't do it. All the people that were like
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  Speaker 3: in eighth grade and I was this way that got
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: caught up in the snowboarding fad, Like snowboarding was still like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is amazing, and a bunch of us were just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm a snowboarder.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, every weekend, I'm a snowboarder, season pass, get all
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  Speaker 3: the stuff. And then you find out your parents are like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not driving you up to Brighton four times a week.
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  Speaker 3: You got to figure it out, and you're just like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to ride a bus. It takes two
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  Speaker 3: hours to get there, and say shredding the gnar, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and so like that. That phase of like, yes, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a snowboarder for me lasted about one winter, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean. So I want to be that way.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be that way with soccer, but I
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  Speaker 3: am on board. I'm now at least a fringe soccer
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  Speaker 3: fan instead of being a non soccer fan, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited for all of you to either welcome me or
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  Speaker 3: more likely be like, get out of here, boo.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fine. You don't know anything, stop talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure.
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  Speaker 3: I want to make sure well before the first segment
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  Speaker 3: ends and Gordy's in here, there's a question that's been
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  Speaker 3: burning in the back of my mind. I've had it
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  Speaker 3: in the notes, buried in the bottom of our notes
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, and watching like this England squad
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: get eliminated, right And Jude Bellingham is a guy who's
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: going to be a megastar in English soccer for a
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: long time. And Harry Kane has been a megastar in
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: English soccer already for a long time. And you've got
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: like coaches and players and all these on both sides.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And Spain is a very young team, a very talented
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: team right now. Lamina Mal is gonna be a global phenomenon.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: He already is a global phenomenon, but that's gonna bleed
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: over even here into the United States sooner than later.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And one thing that we're gonna do is we're going
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: to judge these people like we do our quarterbacks, like
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: we do our basketball players, like we on championships. LA
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: mean you Mal, even if he doesn't score in this
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: World Cup, which he hasn't yet, people are gonna be like, oh,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: he won a World Cup at age nineteen. It's like well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Diddy because he didn't score anything. But what you win,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: how you win, the level of your achievement. We've always
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: attached that to people's legacies. And as we march toward
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: a Utah football season, where the hope is you're competing
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: again for a big twelve Championship.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the guys on this roster.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Devin dan Pier is kind of first and foremost in
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: my mind, because Devin is a very exciting player who
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: was not fully healthy last year, and I knock on
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: what hope he can stay healthy this year so we
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: see like the full realization of his potential in a
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Utah football uniform, and how we look at him and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: our fondness toward him is going to be very much
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: related toward how much he can sustain last year's success
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: to this year and whether or not he can get
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: over a championship hump this year or maybe next year
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: if he decides to come back for another year of eligibility.
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  Speaker 1: You know who the great utes are?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: You know who? When I say the greatest Utah football
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: players of all time, almost without fail, people are going
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: to start with names that have what james, that have
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: won championships, that have been part of championship teams, Yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the conference championship teams, or and even yeah, and.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: You might even because Utah has had a couple of
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: undefeated teams, and you even start with the undefeated conference champions probably.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Exactly, but but it's always gonna be guys from those teams.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And it makes perfect sense because team success begets individual
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: success and vice versa, and popularity comes from these positive
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: memories attached to those Sugar Bowl years, Fiesta Bowl years,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Pack twelve championship years to go to the undef the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: non undefeated ones right the Mount West Conference championship year
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  Speaker 3: even before the Fiesta Bowl year. Great players on that team,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? My question for you Utah
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: football fans eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: who is the greatest Utah football player of your fan
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: generation of your fandom that did not win a championship
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. You
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: could sweet at me at REALOC Sports. Who is the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: greatest Utah football player who never got that conference championship ring,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: who never got the accolades of Oh, I'm I'm gonna
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: be a future college Football Hall of Famer or I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: gonna be a guy. I mean a lot of them
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: did move on to the NFL. I'm thinking like a
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: star low to L Lake type player. I mean star
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: never got to be part of a championship team.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and and the the back to back Pack twelve
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: championship game years with I mean, zachs Is is certainly
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: a candidate, and anyone on that defense, like you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: so many, so many guys on the on those defenses,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: like Bradley and I and Bradley and I was is
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: one of the best players at a position that we
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: equate to Utah football.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Right, He's one of the best players in team history.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: But he didn't get to be part of a conference
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: championship team, right, So who is the best? Eight seven
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred. You could call
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: us if you want. I don't know why, but this
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: has just been like a little mind worm for me
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: for the last couple of weeks. And I didn't you
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: know we had so much stuff to put on here.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Zach Moss has come in on the text line as
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the first answer eight seven seven three five three zero seven.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Hundred sect no more, no more, no more submissions, thank
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: you very much, which is interesting. We love us some
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Zach Moss, and I think we're gonna be seeing a
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: lot more of Zach Moss around Salt Lake City.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Wink wink, nudge, nudge.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I think his presence here is
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: going to become more public pretty soon. But I mean
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who don't even think Zach
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Moss is the best running back that you can pull
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: out of the Utah bag.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, those people are delusional in my opinion, Like
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: who is who's better than the than the guy who
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: is the all time rushing yards leader and the all
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: time rushing touchdowns leader. That is literally the point of
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: running backs. You're right, You're right, and all due respect
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: to there's been a remember this time last year when
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: we were doing start bench Cut, Yeah, there's there was
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: a there was a shocking number of people that were
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: cutting Zach or even Ben.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Start I wish start bench
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Cut with something you could do every single year. You
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: can do it with like players on the team now,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: will do it with players on the team now, maybe
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: next couple of the historical one. You can't you can't
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: just rerun that thing. I don't think maybe you can.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Let's try it. Just asked the same question over and over.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Tyler Huntley is coming in. Derek on on the text
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: line said Tyler Huntley was the engine of that team
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: when he got hurt at derailed the championship run.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I mean sure Tyler is definitely someone you should throw out.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: There is at least an honorable mention if not, if
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: not the guy Julian Blackman, an incredible part of that team,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Jalen Johnson, like so many of those guys, Brittain Covey
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: on that twenty eighteen I mean he won, he ended
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: up winning it. Britain ended up winning, So Britain doesn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: like he was on teams that that almost won and
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: teams they won and a team. And unfortunately, when you're
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: talking about Utail, you're talking about a conference championship. We're
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: not talking about yet a national championship level that anyone's achieved.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: But like again, you've heard me, I've gotten on my
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: soapbox about this.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: This is this is the hierarchy of needs for college football. Right,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: win every game every week. If you can win a
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: conference championship, When you achieve that, we can talk about
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: something else.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: About Matty Gay. Then what about Matt Gay?
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: What about Tom Hackett and Mitch Wishnowski and these guys
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: that were a huge part of teams. I mean they
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: were the best in the country at their position at
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: any school, at any level. You don't usually give that
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: level of credit to specialists. Absolutely not maybe a return
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: specialist you'd be willing to do it with. And Matt
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Gay in particular. In particular, you heard on the broadcast.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: You heard at the I believe at the time it
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: was Scott Mitchell who had just joined the broadcast with
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Bill Riley. You heard you heard them saying, yeah, you
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: know what, if you could get to the forty five
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: yard line, you're in Matt Gay range. They never actually
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: tried a ridiculously long field goal like that, but like,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm talking about your own forty five yard line
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: at the end of a half kind of situation, people talk.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: That was some of the conversation around like the the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: length on Matt Gay's leg was just insane. The Utah
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Football Conference championships, by the way, have occurred. We're talking
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: mostly about the modern era, of course, because most of
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: our listeners are at least somewhat related to the modern era.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Between nineteen sixty four and nineteen ninety five, you had
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: this big title desert, this dearth of conference championships nineteen
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: ninety five, nineteen ninety nine, two thousand and three, two
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: thousand and four, two thousand and eight, twenty twenty one
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: and twenty twenty two guys who were not on any
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: of those teams. The best ute ever to not win
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  Speaker 3: one of those conference championships eight seven seven three five
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred. Keep the text coming in. We're
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: going to touch back on this throughout the show because
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you know it's non linear. A lot of you are
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: not gonna be here all three hours, so I want
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: to touch back in on it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We'll ask this question with our NBA expert, Gordy Chazer,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: who's joining us in studio, because this is what we do.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: We do this at the in pro sports all the time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Who are the best players to never win the Big
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got two of them here in Salt
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Lake City in best two of the best players in
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: NBA history that never won a championship in Karmelone and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: John Stockton, and it'side of the Arena. It's it's a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: dubious distinction. It's actually a terrible honor to hold. You
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: are one of the best players ever to not win
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: at all. Dan Marino, you are one of the best
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: players ever to not hoist the championship. Karmelone, Charles Barkley,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Holy col First ballot Hall of Fame.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: You've such an impact player on the floor. Sorry about that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: You never won.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: My guy, Joe Maller with the Twins. If he played
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: for the Yankees, he has talked about as one of
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the all time best baseball players ever in the history
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: of the game. But he played for the Twins, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: so he never got that kind of love. Eight seven
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred the best utes
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  Speaker 3: to never win a championship. Here's some coming in before
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  Speaker 3: we Hunter Dimmick is a strong candidate, says eight four
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  Speaker 3: to four to one.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely shout shout out to Snacks.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: We love you. Snacks come back on the show. David
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: on the text line says Errol Tucker the Smurf nineteen
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: eighty five. He was awesome. Scott Mitchell, Lauren Rich are
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: his favorites?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Taylor says Eric Weddle. Nope, Eric Weddle won a championship.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: He won two championships.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well Wettle unfortunately, I mean fortunately for him, unfortunately
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: for this discussion.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Does not Steve Smith or Chris Fulmatu Mafala from sixty
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: four to thirty four.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Did he He spelled it all out, he got all
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: he got the last name.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: He misspelled it, but he got he got it. A
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: A for effort, my guy, Look, shut up, especially if
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you're like working right now, or heaven forbid, you're driving
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and texting. Don't do that your voice text. Yeah, if
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: you're talk to text and you say Chris fuamu mafala
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: siri or whoever's not getting that, it's not getting that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: So a for effort. And if you did the talk
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: to texts, then you're you're pronouncing it right. Shout out
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: to you. Uh yeah, and real quick, speaking of Utah
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: former Utah Greats, the Utah Athletics twenty twenty six Hall
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: of Fame class which just see you you're ready for
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: the short list.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Here, I'm actually excited.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I've pulled up the Yeah, I've pulled up the official
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: This is not uh, this is not junk mail.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: It's not from Keeler mcjenkin. Okay, it's it's from our
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Kirk inbox Kirk. We got to find a clever name
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: for Kirk. Kirk Mail.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Kirk mail doesn't really roll off the tongue the same way.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: This is the announcement. No, James, I want you read
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it so I can sound like haughty and reactionary.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Zane Beatles, Okay, well deserved shout out.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Zane Beatles probably the most high profile guy on this
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: list because he was a football great. Uh and that
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you you might have to help me with the pronunciation.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: The next one, Daria, is it ba Jock Biack? I
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: think it's b Jack.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: That's at least how her name was was butchered by everyone.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Uh, Katrin Smagoons Smegan's women's skiing. Again, apologies if I
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: butchered the pronunciation there. Delon Wright another very high profile
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: one from men's basketball Running Ute Jerry prim excuse me,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: that was.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Just misreading there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Uh, former Running Utes coach and the entire nineteen ninety
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: one softball team. So shout out to the twenty twenty
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: six Utah Athletics Hall of Fame class.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Zane Beatles already in the Utah Athletics Hall of Fame
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: as a member of the Sugar Bowl team.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Now he's in.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: There's an individual going in there as an individual. The
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: double honor very very very distinct, high level honor. To
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: have double honors really cool for him. Technically you're in
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: there is this Oh yeah, congratulations, Congratulations to all of
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: my fellow Utah Athletics Hall of Famers. How gross is
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it that I can technically say that, Delane Wright. Uh,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: it's it's nice that you finally get to join the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: likes of me Daria Bijak, who ended up representing her
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: home country of Germany in the Olympics. Let's go congratulations
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to you for finally taking your rightful place alongside myself
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: in the Utah Athletics Hall of.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Fame, alongside a sorry walk on on the fest of
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  Speaker 4: All team.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: It's so, you know what I'm gonna start doing. I
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: want to start doing, James. I need to do like
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a walk On's reunion.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: So it's all of the guys who like the Here's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: what here's what the criteria are.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: If you're a walker who were in a scholarship, you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: can't come. Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, there's a there's at least one
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: of those guys from the Fiesta Bowl team that I'm
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: like you, you probably don't want to invite him.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: He's too he became too high profile.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: If you're a walk on who like got to play
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: a lot and lettered, you can't come. You're not really
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: a walk You're not You're not one of the losers
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: like the rest of us.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, if you're.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: A walk on who was on the team, and you've
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: now made an entire living off of telling people you
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: were on that team, like I have, then you can come.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: To the reunion.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: You're It's it's like the it's like the Club trillion
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: version of Do you remember Mark Titus's Club Trillion blog?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: It's the Club trillion was one minute played and zero
• 31:40
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• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Now, I if you look at the if you look
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: at the official Utah stat book, I do have a
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: stat in a Utah football uniform. And it's because the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: other guy on the team that was wearing my same
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: number got a tackle. Ah oh no, I think a reception.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Either way. And you it wasn't me. It's just who
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  Speaker 1: I was shared.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever was taking stats was just like who's the who's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: number forty nine? Okay, it's selling so and so, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: but but it was me. It was It was definitely you.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, congratulations, the Zane Beatlesdara b Jack, Katyn Schmagoon,
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  Speaker 3: and Delon Wright, who are joining Jerry Pim on the
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  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. The greatest
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  Speaker 3: Utah football player to never win a conference championship.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 3: here in studio James. Before we bring in Gordy, this
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: is one of the greatest texts that we've ever gotten.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: At eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: we were asking the greatest utes that never got to
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: be part of a championship team, The greatest Utah football
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: players who don't have a championship ring. And a couple
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: of people have brought in the name Hunter Dimmick, all
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: time sack leader when he left when he was finished
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: up right, second team Ball American Pac twelve, All Pack twelve.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Also as a senior, he was an excellent, excellent player,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and he's like a homegrown guy who is just very
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: much emblematic of what Utah football wants to be, right,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: work ethic, hustle type guy. So Sam on the text
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: line said that's my favorite who never won a championship,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: and then he says, you know what great idea retire
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: number forty nine. Hunter Dimmick obviously wore number forty nine,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: but let's do it as like a co number retirement.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: So the headliner for the jersey number forty nine being
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: retired is Hunter Dimick, who left as the all time
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: sack leader, and the co retirement would be my one
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: year on the rosters, number forty nine, the Hall of
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Famer who was on the who By the way, if
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: you remember, actually when we went to the Fiesta Bowl,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: they didn't have the actual jersey number that I was
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: listed on the roster during the regular season. So for
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the Fiesta Bowl I got the jersey number fifty seven,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and they put me on the roster for the Fiesta
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Bowl is number fifty seven. And the jersey that I
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: have in like a box in my office at home
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: is number fifty seven, which I never actually wore except
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: for that one game anyway. Fantastic suggestion from the text line,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Gordy jersey here in studio with us, we'll talk all
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: things hoop Gordy. How are you, sir, Sean.
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: I'm doing well, thank you, and I'm excited about talking
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: about your jersey number.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm exciting.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: What number? What was your jersey number back in the day?
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Well off in the area where you had two jerseys,
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: went home and went away, okay. And a lot of
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: knucklehead teammates we forget their they wear the wrong jersey
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: to the game. That's in case. So I wore number
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: twelve at home, thirteen on the road. So white jersey
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: and dok jersey. Now it's all one jersey, which is good.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: And you know, jersey numbers is really like, it's important.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: It's your identity. And the fans. The fans like love
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: wearing players jerseys. Okay, great, I get a great at
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: jazz games. When I see like yes to your players,
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: like say Mark Eaton or a Bobby Hanson or a Carolinko.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: You know, yeah, Dan, by all the guys from yester
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: year that we all know and I coach many of them,
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: is that people are wearing them, which is really kind
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: of neat.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Gordia Jaer is Award number twelve, So again you could
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: go with the same thing here. Jersey number twelve very
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: important for the Utah Jazz Co retire it. John Stockton
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and Gordya Chaer's.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: What I'd be down. God bless John. I'd be insulting
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: to John, to say the least. But again, it's really
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: a lot of fun. And I always tell the players,
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: you make your jersey famous by how you play, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what number you are. Especially a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: of times when a guy gets traded, he has a
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: certain number he always wore, but the guy on the
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: new team has already wore that number. And that's what
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: makes it so interesting where and when that does happen.
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: We always counsel the guys, make your new jersey number
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: famous for you.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: We had this very recently in the NBA.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Tim Hardaway Junior ends up on the Miami Heat, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the initial report was Tim Hardaway, Senior's number is retired
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: by the Heat organization. Correct, And the initial report was
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: that Junior wants to wear number ten. And Dad's like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know if I'm gonna
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: let that bring that out of retirement for you. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: obviously it got resolved that he's gonna wear number ten.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: But I found that hilarious that Dad was just like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, do you really deserve to wear my
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: retired number to his own son?
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: Oh very much. Yeah, it's out there and current tents
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: right here in Salt Lake City. Cal Philipowski gave his
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: number twenty two jersey to the dry Peterson, which is
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: really kind. Indeed, And again, if I'm Cal Philipowski, whatever
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: number you are right now, is that you make that
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: number famous for you.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: We hear these stories. Sometimes jersey numbers are important to
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: players NBA, major League Baseball, NFL. For lock inning, a
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: lot of time, you got to you gotta buy the
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: number from the guy, or you gotta say, I will
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: donate to your favorite charity whatever for number twenty two.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I'll do twenty two thousand dollars or whatever. You hear
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: sub stories.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Who was it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Last year somebody wanted like a million dollars for the
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: jersey number and the guy that wanted it was like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: get out of here. I'm not paying you a million
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: dollars to wear number nine or whatever it was. It
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: was a football guy. Yeah, I think it was. It'll
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: come to me, but yeah, so yeah, the numbers are important.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: They're hilarious. And when you're a walk on a lowly
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: walk on back in the day, uh you you took
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the number that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: They gave you. You were just like, yes, they're I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: have another, thanks coach. I remember.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I remember heading into my second year at the University
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: of Utah that spring, They're just like, what number do
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you want to wear? And I had this list right
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: of numbers I wanted to wear. Unfortunately, the top three
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: numbers I requested were guys who were going to be
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: captains on the team the next year. And there's like,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you can't have any of those because we're not taking
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: it away from Spencer Tune. So you can wear it,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: you don't get to wear the same number as Grady Marshall.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: You have to wear something different. I'm like, dang it,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: all right, so you just quick side note.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: But the greatest number of all time, no one's ever
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: worn since then is in baseball Jackie Robinson. So Jackie Robinson,
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: for the younger listeners, was the first ever African American
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: player to play Meajor League Baseball way too long in
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: nineteen forty seven, and so in honor of Jackie Robinson,
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: Major League Baseball has that uniform no one's ever word ever.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Number forty two is forty tired around the league.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, and they do the commemorative game where they'll have
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the letrical wear forty two for that game.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But it's to honor Jackie Robinson. Pretty cool, Yes, it
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is very much. Well, you heard me ranting about that,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: just strange topic that came to my mind.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: The greatest Utah football players who did not win a
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: championship or weren't member of a conference championship team. And look,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sure all these guys are in a situation where
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: you know, they've moved on in life and they're doing
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: good things. Some of them are playing in the NFL
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: right now. Other guys are off doing their own thing,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: insurance salesman, dads, doing whatever they have to do to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: get through.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: A cruel reality that you can be an All American,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: an All conference, and all everything type player, and because
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: of circumstances in the ultimate team game like football, you
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: never get to achieve the highest level of team success.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: You never get to be part of, you never get
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to There are guys that are a thousand times better
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: at football than most of the rosters that I was
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: on that never get to have that ring that they
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: can put on a little stand in their office or
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they get to wear to special events to say yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I was a member of a conference championship team when
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of scrubs from better teams that do
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: have it. It's an injustice in all sports, and it
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: gets even worse in pro sports where people's legacies are
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: discussed Gordie and valued or devalued based on championship wins alone.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It's like the tale as old as time and something
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: that is very close to home here in Salt Lake
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: City because our best, our very greatest Utah Jazz players
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: have never had the distinction of also being NBA champions.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: That is correct, and it's also and those players they
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: are absolutely winners. Unfortunately they didn't win a championship. Remember,
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: organizations win titles, not individual players. It's a whole organization.
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: Here's a quick list that we just talked about in
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: a commercial break. Here of some of the players that
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: didn't win a title. There are absolute generational talents locally here,
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: John Stockton, Calm Malone, Jeff Hornisack other teams, Reggie Miller
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: of the Pacers, Charles Barkley of the Suns and also
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: of the Suns and also the Rockets, Chris Paul, Steve Nash,
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: Patrick Ewing, Chris Smullen, Dominique Wilkins playing in NBA right now,
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: James Harten, and Donovan Mitchell. All these guys have never
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: won a championship, yet all of them have a winning game.
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: And that's what's so hard about it that winning is
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: so hard to be a champion and title and these
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: guys all have winning games and have special talents. Unfortunately,
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: when it was time to play for the NBA Finals,
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: the other guys were slightly better and Jazz basketball. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: was there front and center. Is that the Jazz lost
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: to the world's greatest player of all time who did
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: the greatest things to beat us. And that's like I said,
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: with any hesitation, because I was right there. Remember showing
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: I was a guy yelling the Jeff hornisack the Gold
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: double team. Michael Jordan the last play in nineteen ninety
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: eight when he made that killer jump shot against Brian Russell. Oh,
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: by the way, did he push off? Yes? No, maybe
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: the ref's never gonna call it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: We've had some great ones here in Utah. Again, keep
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: your text coming in eight seven seven three five to
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred. The greatest ute football player to
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: never win a conference championship. We'll read off some of
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: your answers. We're just starting out with Gordy Chase. I'm
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: gonna try to stay on clock here, so we'll take
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We'll come back. We've got a lot to discuss.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Adam Silver wants an investigation in the Kawhi Leonard and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: salaries cap circumvention. He wants that investigation done before the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: season begins. We'll talk a little summer league. We've got
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Gordy here. We're gonna we're gonna pick his brain and
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: we're gonna lean on him for all of his basketball expertise.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: ninety two one FM.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: You tune to The Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety tw.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell SHOWYESBN seven hundred ninety two NFM. Gordy Chasa
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: here in studio with us. A question that we're hanging
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: out all day. The best player to play for a
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Utah football team that never got to be part of
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: a conference championship team. We're talking to Starlow, to the
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Lays of the world, the Luther Ellis's of the world,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: these guys that were among the best that we've ever seen,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: but never got to be part of a championship squad.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero, seven hundred Gordy
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Chase here in studio with us talk at all things Hoop,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: and we had a conversation on Tuesday, Gordy about Summer
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: League basketball, the Jazz shut down, Darren Peterson, the Wizard's Shutdown.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: AJ DEBONSA A lot.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Of people have seen everything they need to see, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: you and I have spent years talking about how you're
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: supposed to judge this Jazz team, not really based on well,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: are these guys as good as Steph Curry? Are these
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: guys as good as Nikola jokicch it's always where are
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: they at relative to their peers, And that's what summer
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: league basketball is all about.
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: Oh very much, yes, And you know with the Jazz,
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: they did shut down most of the guys, but less notrotically,
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: they didn't shut down Darren Peterson. Jazz lost last night
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: in Las Vegas to the Spurs ninety four to eighty two.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: Darren Peterson played twenty eight minutes, fifteen points, four assists,
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: four turnovers, five rebounds. He's shooting, which has really been
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: good in college, and that's what he does best. He
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: struggled the whole summer time, including last night, four for sixteen.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: And zero for three.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: However, as they go forward Darren Peterson, but he does
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: best besides penetrating and getting in the lane. He's a
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: natural shooter, so his shooting percentage will increase dramatically once
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: he gets with the varsity, meaning all the main guys
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: in Jazz basketball. He'll be fine, sozz. The Jazz lost
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: last night quickly. From the Spurs point of view, which
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: we all respect the Spurs of what they're doing. Jacoby
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: Gillespie has scored twenty five points led the Spurs. He
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: was the forty second pick of the draft last year
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: the University of Tennessee, and he's a very good player
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: and he'll be another guy that the Spurs have as
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: far as a perimeter that will add to them. Right now,
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: other quick guys that have played well, just generally speaking
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: in summer League. Caleb Wilson of the Chicago Bulls. Are
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: you kidding me? How talented this guy is? The other
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: night was a classic game where he played against Cam Booser,
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: who's another tremendous talent, and Caleb Wilson hit it out
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: of the park thirty five points in that game. He's
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: a major talent. Fourth pick of the draft, He's a
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: foundational pick for the Bulls and he is playing very well.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Quickie.
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: One of this quick side note of the Celtics. Hugo
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: Gonzalez is a secondar player for Spain that plays for
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: the Celtics. He's played very well in some league. I'm
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: looking forward to see him play and being a major
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: contributor as the Celts continue to be an elite team.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: So Darren Peterson is going to be judged against aj
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Debonsa for their entire careers. Cam Boose is going to
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: be judged against those two for their entire careers. Caleb
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Wilson is going to be stacked up against these guys
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: for their entire careers. You made this bold claim on
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Tuesday that maybe all four of them end up being
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: NBA All Stars. Hasn't happened in fifty six years since
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: that nineteen seventy draft.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: That's the tidbit that we love from somebody like Gordon Chiaza.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: But who else in the NBA are you judging this
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: rookie class against, Because, like we said, it's not all
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: you got to today. You have to be as good
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: as Lebron James. Who are the other measuring sticks that
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: you look at in the league. That are the guys
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: you got to keep pace with. If you're a twenty
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: twenty one year old rookie.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: He's their best under eight twenty five players in the NBA.
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: So again, the best young guys under age twenty five,
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: And before I see the list is that Kay Cunningham
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: is twenty five and above, and so is Anthony Edwards,
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: who we know are in their prime. Right now here
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: we go and this list is evolving where it could
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: flip flop. The numbers et Cetera number seventeen, Jaellen Green
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: age twenty four from the Suns. Number sixteen, Ace Bailey
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: h twenty from the Jazz, number fifteen, Cheed Homeram h
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: twenty four from the Thunder number fourteen, Alexander Saw h
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: twenty one from the Wizards, who is vastly even underrated.
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: Number thirteen Unsar Thompson h twenty three from the Pistons.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: Number twelve we just mentioned the second ago Sean and I,
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: Caleb Wilson aged twenty of the Bulls number eleven, Polo
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: Cambero from the Magic H twenty four, number ten, Daron
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: Peterson eighteen years young from the Jazz, number nine aged
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: Deboncer age nineteen from the Wizards, number eight, Dylan Harper
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: h twenty from the Spurs. Number seven, Alpha ron Chagoon
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: age twenty four from the Rockets, number six, kN Knipple
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: age twenty one of the Hornets. Number five, Stephen Castle
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: h twenty one of the Spurs. Number four, Jellen Johnson
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: age twenty four from the Hawks, number three, Amon Thompson
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: age twenty three from the Rockets, number two, Cooper Flagg
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: age nineteen from the MAVs and number one we know
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: it already his name Victor weinbyonber h twenty two of
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: the Spurs. These are the top seventeen guys that are
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: aged twenty five or under. And there be other guys
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: in that list, and it's listed as far as who
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: gets even better each passing year. So in jazz basketball,
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: there's two guys in that list in Ace Bailey and
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: then Darren Peterson. The question is philosophically shown situationally. Can
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: the two jazz young standouts can they someday outplay these
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: guys consistently in their age group?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: That's the question.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be unfair to you and ask you another
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: question about that list. If you had to put your
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: life on whoever is going to be an MVP eventually
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: on that list, I think number one Victor woman Yama,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: we all think is probably.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Gonna win multiple MVP awards.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: But who else on that list would Gordy Chaz have
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: put his life on winning an MVP at some point
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: in his career.
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: AJ Deboncer, Yes, someday, all right, yeah, someday. Amir Thompson,
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: Wow of the Rockets.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Got this way? He plays, he says, winning game.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: He's a two way player.
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: He's having like nineteen points a game and his team
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: doesn't pass the ball to him and he played in guard.
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: To also add to that, we say MVP, your team
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: also has to win. So the question is also there's
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: your's your team deep in the playoffs as far as
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: every year and that do you win fifty four games,
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: fifty five to fifty seven games in the top one
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: to two seed. And I think all these guys with
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: their franchises can and it's it's gonna be a great Uh.
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: The NBA is in great hands with these with these
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: wonderful young players.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiesa hangs out with us for another thirty minutes
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: or so. We've got lots left to get to. It's
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: the Sean O'Connell Show Talking Hoop on ESPN seven two FM.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: You were listening to about Sean O'Connell's show for the
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  Speaker 7: to one.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: A f m Our number two begins here the Sean
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Gordi Chays is here with us in studio.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Gordian we were just talking about the during the break
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: the schedule these players have in the rest of this
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: offseason summer league in the books, and you know, guys
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: are supposed to stay in shape, show up for the
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: regular season in shape, but you also got to take
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: your rest. You gotta let your body recover. How do
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys handle it for the next
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: couple months.
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of months, meaning that it's already mid July.
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: So the players, most of the guys, the young fellas
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: that were in summer league, they should go back to
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: the city where they live and just try to learn
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: with rest, rest and recover from the intensity of the
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: summer league and also the training of it. And then
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: then report back to the city where they're playing in
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: sometime in early September. And remember there's so many injuries.
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: It's not a question of a player it doesn't want
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: to work hard. Sometimes you can work hard and your
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: lower body, your lower body rebels against it. Where you
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: have so many injuries of lower lakes, either shin splints
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: or sore ankles or pull hamstrings. And that's from not
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: being in shape. It's being what overuse and a lot
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: of times your type a personality, especially a young guy,
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: is that you think that it's never going to happen
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: to you, but it does. So it's that balance between
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: how often did the coaching staff come to your city
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: to work you out, or do you work in a
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: group session in San Diego or in La or in
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: Las Vegas or back east in Atlanta or in New
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: York City. As far as a group you've got to
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: unders stand your body, and the more times that you
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: can do that, the more advantage this for you to
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: try to not have so many lower body injuries.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Are talking about the soap opera that is the NBA.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: In this offseason, we had like a real reality television show,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: a real soap opera kind of headline when there was
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: a physical altercation when Tyler Herro allegedly was punched in
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: the face by Bam out of Bio down in Vegas
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: at Summer League play. And you know, both players have said,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: we're just trying to move on from this. The league
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: does not look like it's gonna levy any discipline for
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: either player in the situation. How do teams look at it? Though,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are no longer teammates. How does
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the NBA look at a situation like this, does a
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: guy get put on kind of a short leash because
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: they've gone from just an argument to a physical altercation
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: or how's it handled?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of a in the Saints.
• 56:02
  Speaker 8: From Maami Heat point of view, Tyler Hiroll got traded.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: So I'm assuming that Bambadabado and Tala Hero, where there
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: were teammates for the Miami Heat, probably didn't like each
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: other as far as what they represented it. And Tyler
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: Herro just watching him play over the years, he's a
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: finesse player and really a non defensive player. Bambadabado is
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: the opposite. He's a tremendous defensive player, a willing rebounder,
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: and it seems to me that he's more team orientated.
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: So there's probably a lot of ill advice that was
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: going on internally and that both players view each other
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: as a challenging personalities and what happened very simply to
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: remind people there was a trade that the Milwaukee Bucks
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: are quite tally Hero Hymri Hakez co l Ware and
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: Casper Casper risk rissatonis from the from the they acquired
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: from the Heat and the Heat a quiet from the Bucks,
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: Giannicie and Bobby Portis, So it's more of a thing
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: that was deep seated. I'm sure it happened in practice
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: many times, but those guys were at each other and
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: they made a trade. Now for the for the heat,
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: they're starting over with Giannis and Bobby Portis, and with
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: the Milwaukee Bucks they're starting over and Tyler Hill gets
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: a new slate. So a lot of times it's deep seated.
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: It starts in practice and it ends in the locker
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: room also, And from the NBA standpoint right now is
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: that it's it's really case by case and team by team.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Looking at the situation with Kawhi and the Clippers, he's
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: no longer with the Clippers. Again, there were some rumors
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: out there that Adam Silver and the NBA kind of
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: forced moving on from Kawhi and the Clippers because there's
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: that complication, there's that investigation and things like that. The
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: NBA front office and Silver himself they have denied that
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: they had any influence in moving on Kawhi Leonard from
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: the Clippers for a fresh start back in Toronto. But
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: there is now a mandate that the investigation into Salary
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Caps cir convention be completed before the season begins. So
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: whoever wants to, you know, punish the Clippers for this
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: has got to get it in front of the league now.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: And whatever defense needs to be put in front of
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: the league at least closer to now that they before
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: the trade is all the way completed.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You have to have resolution on this issue. How much
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: time is this going to take? Coding?
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: Well, the first thing that should be done it ready
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: over ready, so they had enough time in before the
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: trade and let us review the trade. The rep isn't
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: quite quite Leonard, and the Clip is acquired Brandon Ingram
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: and Grady Dick and the first round picks in twenty
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: thirty one and twenty thirty three and second round picks
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: in twenty thirty and twenty thirty three and the rights
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: to swap picks next year in twenty twenty seven. And
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: so the trade did not go through officially until one
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: you've got to pass the physical of each team. But
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: also because of Kawhi lennartt situation with the Clippers for
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: the listeners that might have forgot.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: That's when.
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: The Clippers allegedly circrevented the trade rule and that they're
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: able to an salary cap when they acquired Kawhi Leonett
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: from the Raptors ironically, and they paid him a whole
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: bunch of money through a third party, and then the
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: Clippers said that they didn't know about it, And of
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: course that's the question right now now, And I also
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: shown the second part of that where they're saying that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: they violated it twice.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Now with another.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: Situation with Kawhi, let it being paid by an outside source,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: because at that time when the trade was made, that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: the Clippers couldn't fit him into the salary cap, but
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: they did with the maneuvering. And now now there's an
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: outside council that is now has not ruled yet, and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: that's the problem right now, You've got to make a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: ruling about it. MA instincts tell me that the Clippers
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: are at fault.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: So the NBA, according to Emilver, the NBA is not
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: the one pausing the completion of the trade. But the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Clippers and the Raptors agreed that, well, yeah, we're not
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: going to put this thing all the way through until
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: a resolution. And it makes sense from the Raptors side
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: of things, especially because if Kauhi is going to be
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: suspended or Kawhi is going to have to serve some
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: kind of penalty for this, and you've just traded a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: bunch of assets for him. You get no return on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: that investment, so you might not want to do this.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: It's very rare in pro sports that trades get reversed
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: for any reason at all, and when they do, oftentimes
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: it's because of like a physical being failed or something.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: We saw this in the NFL recently with the with
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: the Crosby trade to Baltimore. But even that, it's like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: it's pretty rare. So is there in your mind, is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: there any real risk that this trade doesn't go through
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: because of this investigation?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: Yes? Wow, Yes there's a risk. Yes there is, because
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: it's never happened before. As far as you mentioned about injuries,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 8: this is not injuries. This is circrevating the salary cap.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: And that's why I remember now it's the whole league.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: The border governance is the thirty NBA owners, and that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: if you allow this to happen, is that it affects
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: everyone else as far as the business model, and so
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: they want to know what happened and how and how
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: can they stop this that never happened again? And that's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: what makes it so interesting. Steven Balmer is the owner
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: of the Clippers, and he's part of it right now
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: with see there's no ruling on it, so now they
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: have to let's find out what is going on because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: it does affect It affects the Clippers, who affects the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: Jazz and for the Raptors, it affects the Nicicrobockers, who
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: the world champions, So it affects all thirty teams in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: the NBA.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: For the record, for people who maybe forgot what this
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: is all about, the allegation is that Kawhi Leonard received
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: an endorsement from a now bankrupt company that Steve Balmer
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: invested in. And the allegation is that he invested in
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: this company so he could indirectly pay Kawhi Leonard more
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: than he is allowed to pay him under salary cap rules.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Kawhi gets an extra whatever twenty three million dollars because
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Steve Balmer is a billionaire who can throw around sixty
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: million dollar investments and not really care if that company
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: goes on under Balmer has denied that he knew that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: that's what was going to be done with the money,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. And look, it's the perfect plausible deniability.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: You can say, hey, this company had a partnership with
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: the Clippers that is totally viable. Now they're bankrupt, too
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: bad for them. But initially the plan was that they
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: would have a sponsorship endorsement deal with the Clippers, and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: it was actually supposed to be a total of like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars over a decade or so. Unfortunately,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: the company goes under, but Kawhi Leonard still got his money.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: It was a twenty eight million dollar endorsement deal. And
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, so Aspiration is the name of the banking company.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: They had a three hundred million dollar, twenty three year
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: endorsement deal with the team. And again, Steve Balmer invested
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: sixty million dollars into this company, So at least sixty
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: million dollars of his money went to Aspiration and then
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: twenty eight million dollars went to Kawhi Leonard. One could
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: infer that that twenty eight million dollars came directly from
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: the sixty million dollar investment of Steve Balmer, and that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: would be a very convenient way to get around the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: salary cap.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: That's where the accusation is centered.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the timing of it. Yeah, that's the problem is
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: the timing of it. So again, the NBA, they understand
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: this and they want to have resolution of doing it,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: of what happens, and they need to they know it.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: They need to get this done because it affects us
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: so many of the teams as far as the domino effect.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: So we shall see.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: Also, Sean on the NBA front right now, is that
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: the Lebron James watch.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: The Lebron James sweepstakes is something I had on my notes.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get to heyes, last thing on Kawhi Leonard.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: If it's found that he was part of salary cap
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: cir convention, the NBA can avoid his contract and find
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: him as a player three hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Yes they could.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: That's right, That Dre wouldn't happen because this doesn't have
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: a contract technically.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: And then but if his contract is voided, forget me
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: for not knowing he's a free agent, so that Toronto,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: then Toronto can get it without giving anything back to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: the Clippers. So if you're in Toronto, you're just like, oh, cool,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: well this is I mean, who knows?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: And in my.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I'm really really curious because.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: This feels like, you know, a rabbit hole kind of like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: kind of like performance enhancing drugs in the NFL that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: the league might not actually want to go down.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: They really do not, because it's a bit, it's a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: benefit the partners in the NBA, and so we shall
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: see it. But again it's of any July mid July,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: and training camp starts again in September. I mean, so
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: there is a clock on this situation. So we shall see.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: And speaking of the clock showing with Lebron James, you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: we mentioned last week that Lebron is the number one
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: player out there as far as the domino effect. Here
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: are some guys that are still out there in the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: NBA as far as free agents, and they're all will
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: fall the place once Lebron signs, either I believe with
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: the Cavaliers or possibly the Golden State Warriors. Here's some
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: names that are out there right now. Bradley Beale, Kevin Love,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: George Niang, former jazz Man, Delmar De Rosan, Benedict Mathern
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: from the Clippers ironically again, venture back Kawhi Leonard, and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: as far as the trade, he's restricted. Peyton Watson very
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: good young talent from the Nuggets. He's also restricted. John
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: the Kamminger of the Atlanta Hawks now is out there.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: They moved on from man spent In Dewitty, a very
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: good all round talented h thirty three year old guy
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: that helps the team. Russell Westbrook, Raymond Green up out
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: of his twenty seven point six million dollar contract to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: get it. And also James Harden's out there forty two
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: point three million and Lebron. So there's twelve guys out there,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: plus many other guys that have not assigned yet, and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: that's a bad feeling for an NBA player that technically
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: right now you're unemployed in the middle of July, and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: again with European teams, most times shown European teams want
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: to have their their foreign players, usually NBA players on
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: their roster, usually by the first week of August, because
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: they start practice showing roughly in the middle of August,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: so if the time is catching up right now.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Speaking of European teams, a lot of reports out there
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: that the NBA is ramping up his discussions with potential
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: owners of NBA europe franchises. They want to launch a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: league in twenty twenty seven so this time next year
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: we could have a full plan in place.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: What is that gonna look like? Gordon, You're a lot
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: more dialed in on how.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Basketball and basketball prospects and all that stuff is handled
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: in Europe. And there's some there's some really healthy, thriving
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: brands in EuroBasket, in European euro League Basketball, and now
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: the NBA is potentially elbowing its way in here. Is
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: it gonna be collaborative? Is it gonna be a hostile environment?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Does the NBA have to fill niches that? Like, you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: there's already a really big club in Barcelona that's attached
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: to the Barcelona Soccer Club ownership and things like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's this?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be a fight for the NBA
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: to get into Europe or is it gonna happen smoothly?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: You think, well, involve this FEB.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: So Feb's involved, and this would be a different not
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: this should be NBA players, but the FEVER would be
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: running it with partnership of the NBA. And so they're
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: talking about six different cities and that some NBA players
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: that are ultra wealthy might buy into the team showing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: so imagine being an NBA player and you're going to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: buy into a team in Europe as far as with
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: some other NBA play with NBA talent, and so it's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: still is a working progress. We've not seen the cities
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: as far as who they are and who coaches the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: teams and what number of NBA players are allowable to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: be on these teams in Europe. So it's still right now.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: So much is up in the air. But they've discussed
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: right now and the TV partners who gets the TV
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: rights from it? Is European rights?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: Is it? Is it? Uh?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: Is it a TNT now buying into it? Is it
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: Amazon buying into it? No one knows you right now,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: but so it's right now. It's still a working progress
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: with nothing definite minus that we want to do this,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: so we shall see, oh absolutely.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, how big do you think this ends up
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: being for the NBA, Because we see all the time,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: right these professional leagues they kind of flirt with the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: idea of development. Now, the G League is a real
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: thing and is a product that is well established. The
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: NFL has never really done this. They don't necessarily need
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: to because college football serves as their developmental league. The
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: NHL has relationships, and they have a club system. Obviously
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Major League Baseball has their club system all the way
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: through from Single A up to Triple A Baseball and stuff,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: and this is it's not brand new territory for the NBA,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: but it's somewhat familiar territory in a potentially new environment.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: How deep is this going to go for the NBA.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: How much money are they gonna throw it this right away?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: How experimental is it going to be or is it
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: like hey, if we're going, we're going and we're staying.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: Well, the question right now is who's going to have
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: the main rights to it? Is the FEVER or is
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: it the NBA. That's the question philosophically, And there's still
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: it's right now, it's still had not been determined as
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: far as that. So that's the first major hurdle that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: they have to talk at. Took it out and sign
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: contracts as far as doing it, and again also the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: TV partners and are the NBA player NBA type player
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: talent or they actually NBA players that are part of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: a union of the NBA or is it a new
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: union of both players that been in the NBA with
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: players also that are foreign born that are now playing
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: on these teams as teammates. So again, there's just so
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: many different things. As far as having it, there's enough
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: players around the world that make it work though. As
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: far as talent level, there are And speaking of the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: G League, sean last year in the G League there
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: was fifty three players probably fifty three percent of the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: players in the NBA roster the sought the season last
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: year played in the played in the G League at
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: least one game wow in their Korea, fifty three percent
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: of the NBA players, which shows you that it's here
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  Speaker 8: to come. It started in two thousand and two and
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  Speaker 8: now this is twenty four twenty Philly, twenty five years
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  Speaker 8: coming up anniversary, So it's going to be great though.
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  Speaker 1: As you covered, Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 8: Well, let's today right on Point show and we talked
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  Speaker 8: about about European basketball. This list today is in nineteen
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  Speaker 8: ninety two United States Men's Olympic Roster Dream Team so
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  Speaker 8: the World Cup is going on right now. It's been
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  Speaker 8: a home run as far as the countries we know.
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  Speaker 8: Argentina is really great in it. And this list is
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  Speaker 8: right now the original Dream Team for the young listeners.
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  Speaker 8: It is the first time Olympic history that NBA players
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  Speaker 8: are allowed to participate in the Olympics. This team was
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  Speaker 8: elected in twenty ten into the Battle Natesmith Basketball Hall
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  Speaker 8: of Fame. As a team, the team of nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 8: two Dream Team won a gold medal by an average
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  Speaker 8: of forty four points. The Olympic Games were played again
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: mentioned showing in the same city, Barcelona, Spain. In this game,
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  Speaker 8: the gold medal game, USA defeated Croatia for Olympic gold medal.
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  Speaker 8: The head coach was Chuck daly My. Here's the roster.
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  Speaker 8: Point guards Magic Johnson and John Stockton, shooting guards Michael
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  Speaker 8: Jordan and Clyde Drexler, small forwards Larry Bird, Scottie Pippen
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  Speaker 8: and Chris Mulling. Power forwards Carl Malone, Charles Barkley, and
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  Speaker 8: the only college player at that time, Christian Latner out
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  Speaker 8: of Duke University. The centers were Patrick Ewing and David Robinson.
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  Speaker 8: Michael Jordan was the only player to start all six
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  Speaker 8: Olympic games, which I mentioned earlier. They won by forty
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  Speaker 8: four points on an average. This is the greatest ever
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  Speaker 8: basketball team ever assembled. Eleven or the twelve players have
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: been inducted into the NYSPID Hall of Fame. The only
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  Speaker 8: player not being inducted is Christian Latner. So this is
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  Speaker 8: the nineteen ninety two original Dream Team. That was the
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  Speaker 8: first time ever that at that before that the other
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  Speaker 8: countries had professional players playing in it, and we're playing
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: our college players, right. And then finally in nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 8: this was the original Dream Team and Jazz was represented
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  Speaker 8: very well in John Stockton and also in the Call
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  Speaker 8: Them Alone. This is my list of today.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know it was designed to be exactly that,
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  Speaker 3: the Dream Team. I wonder if there's ever been a
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  Speaker 3: team anywhere in any sport that has that level of
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  Speaker 3: dominance and talent on the same team. Like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know enough about the Big Red Machine of like Soviet
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: hockey back in the day, like the equivalent. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of those guys were not playing in the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: NHL at the time, right, But it just feels like
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  Speaker 3: is there some Pakistani cricket team. That's the equivalent of this.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like, based at least on our knowledge of it,
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  Speaker 3: that that is the best team that's ever been put
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  Speaker 3: together in any sport.
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  Speaker 8: Correct, in any sport ever, as far as one group
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  Speaker 8: of people, and it was by a design. And now
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  Speaker 8: Olympic basketball again, it's pretty soon. It's two summers from
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  Speaker 8: now in LA. It's going to be huge. And we
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  Speaker 8: know that USA as great as a player saw is
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  Speaker 8: a don't you called Sean, You've been there many times,
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  Speaker 8: so have I. France led by Victor wen Byamba and
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  Speaker 8: that crew. They're going to try to spoil the Olympic.
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  Speaker 8: USA dominates. USA has won five straight Olympic gold medals
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: now in basketball, five in a row. Okay, And so
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  Speaker 8: now the coach is Eric Spolstrom is the coach, and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: gren Hill runs USA basketball right now, former great NBA
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  Speaker 8: player and also in the Hall of Fame. It's gonna
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  Speaker 8: be challenging because right now basketball is a global sport
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: and that's what makes it so interesting. There's great players
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: all over the world. Remember it took every ounce of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: Steph Curry's brilliance to beat Serbia, led by Nikolai Jokic
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: ninety five ninety one where Steph was outrageous in that
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 8: game making those three point shots two years ago. Now
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: in two years later, two years now in the future
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  Speaker 8: in La Olympics, we shall see what's what's gonna happened.
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  Speaker 8: But I do know, Sean, some of those guys you
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  Speaker 8: mentioned earlier today, as far as Cooper Flagganhos guys, they
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  Speaker 8: should be on the Olympic team. It's that unbelievable transformation
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: of talent of each generation to play in the Olympics. Remember,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: it's so ironically shown. The World Cup is bigger and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: every other country in the world minus basketball, So soccer
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: World Cup is bigger than in basketball, the World Cup
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  Speaker 8: and basketball. But in America Olympics at number one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: that's the mentality of it.
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  Speaker 3: If you're just tuning in, I made a confession at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of the show that I have become I've
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: become a soccer fan, not just World Cup soccer. I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: went down and watched RSL Burnley last night and it
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: was a great game. It was awesome, very excited for
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: the second half of the RSL campaign. In MLS soccer.
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  Speaker 3: We still have two more World Cup games, one more
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  Speaker 3: that I think we actually care about, the third fourth
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  Speaker 3: place game. I'm not sure why they even do it.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's tradition and I know it's something that
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  Speaker 3: is part of the fabric of the World Cup. It
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  Speaker 3: defies American sensibilities that you should play for the third
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: and fourth place. This is not the Olympics. But let
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: them do what they want. England and France can figure
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: that out. It'll be Argentina Spain in a World Cup final.
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  Speaker 3: Joining us to talk about that and much more. JP
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  Speaker 3: Chunga a man of he wears many many hats, host
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  Speaker 9: How are you, John, I'm great. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it slipped my mind that you were up
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  Speaker 3: in the booth on Friday night when I was down
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  Speaker 3: at America First Field watching a Princess Drone show with
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  Speaker 3: my family.
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  Speaker 1: I would have come up and said hello, and probably
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  Speaker 1: made your job worse.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: All right, so what's the favorite princess?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it varies. I have three princesses of my own,
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  Speaker 3: so I think right now, I think right now Mawana
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  Speaker 3: is probably top billing for the younger two and my
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  Speaker 3: seven year old has decided that like the traditional wear
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  Speaker 3: a dress type princess is not her thing for now,
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  Speaker 3: So I think I think like Princess Leah is probably
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  Speaker 3: her favorite princess at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: That works.
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  Speaker 1: That work great for me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, as he show on the Drone show, a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people were there and excited about the entire
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  Speaker 6: evening and you know, to watch the Utah Royals.
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  Speaker 3: It was great.
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  Speaker 1: It was a it's a great night out at the ballpark,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: If you ever want to get down there, relatively family
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  Speaker 3: friendly ticket pricing and things like that, I highly encourage
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  Speaker 3: any of you to go watch a little NWSL and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like you know, put some headphones in
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  Speaker 3: and listen to JP Chunga on the broadcast. Look, I
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  Speaker 3: got caught up at this soccer fever because it's the
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: World Cup and I fully expected Jp that it would
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: be kind of a pump and dump you know what
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: I mean that I'd be like, all right, let me
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  Speaker 3: get as much content as I can out of this
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: for the summertime, dog days in the show, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we'll have fun watching and cheering on the US men's
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  Speaker 3: national team, and then I'll put it away, like I do,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Olympic volleyball until four years from now and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: when I care about it again. But soccer really caught
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  Speaker 3: me this time, and I determined part it is because
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  Speaker 3: I've gotten deeper into hockey these last couple of seasons,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: and there's some similarities to like the passing that sets
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: up to scoring, and maybe it's I'm a little better
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: at watching soccer than I was before. But I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 3: do you feel like this North American World Cup, this
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  Speaker 3: American hosted World Cup, a little bit of hype around
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  Speaker 3: the US men's national team will have any kind of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: sustainable effect on soccer fandom in the United States outside
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: of of course the most important one.
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  Speaker 6: Me absolutely, and you are number one in our hearts,
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  Speaker 6: I think. And this is something that happened during the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: entire tournament. In the group chats that I had with
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: people who are vurying sports fans. Traditional baseball football, and
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: they would text and blow up these group chats during
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: the games and say, this is the greatest World Cup
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: game I've ever seen. And that happened seemingly every week
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: with nearly every single Argentina game because of the comebacks
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  Speaker 6: that they had to endure during this entire tournament. But
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: to the overall question of will this have any staining power,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: I think these moments where we have these crazy games,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: it's only going to help the entire sport. Whether it's
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: the Princess Knight that you show up to at the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: Utah Royals with NWSL, they'll feel this as well with
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: people being more interested into soccer. But I think back
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: to Sunday when England and Mexico are playing at the
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  Speaker 6: Zteca in one of the greatest environments that we've ever
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  Speaker 6: seen in sports, and even the hardened English journalists are
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: talking about how crazy of an atmosphere this is. It's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: razors edge stuff, similar to hockey, where the ball's in play,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: there's activity of defending a goal against a hostile crowd,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: and people can only gravitate towards that. The passion of
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: this Cup has been unreal to watch, and you have
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: some of the greatest of all time going at it
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  Speaker 6: with Lionel Messi and now this amazing picture with him
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  Speaker 6: and Lea Migna Mal and the goat and the new goat.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 6: It's not even AI, it's what we Okay, we have.
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  Speaker 1: To talk about this.
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  Speaker 3: So if people are not aware, I'm sure you've seen
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: this viral photo at some point, and maybe we could
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: add some context to it. I'm new to all of this, right,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: and I couldn't believe this is actually real. But a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: young Leo Messi did a photo campaign, did like a
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  Speaker 3: charity pr kind of situation where they raffled off the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to have your baby in a photo with Barcelona players,
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  Speaker 3: and Leo Messi happened to be one at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Baby who won is now Spain's rising young superstar La
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: Mean Jamal. So there's real pictures, not AI pictures of
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Leo Messi giving baby La Mean Jamal a bath. Basically,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: it is absolutely insane, and now they are teams face
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: one another in a World Cup final. The mathematical odds
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: on something like this being a reality have to be
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: virtually impossible.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: It feels like destiny of some sort and.
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  Speaker 3: I can't explain why it matters, but the fact that
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: this happened twenty years ago and now they're facing one
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: another is bananas.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: And it's starcross that Yamal is playing for Lionel Messi's
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: team in Barcelona. Of all the things that have to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: happen for you to be a youth product in Spain,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: be good enough to make it into one of the
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: greatest academies of all, and then be a talent that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: makes the first team and then gets selected to one
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: of the most competitive national teams in.
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  Speaker 9: The entire world.
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  Speaker 6: It is star crossed. It might be destiny, and for
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  Speaker 6: this to be a precursor to a final in the
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  Speaker 6: American World Cup is It's exactly what the sports sport needed.
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  Speaker 6: And I was a little young in ninety four, so
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  Speaker 6: I would say one year old and not necessarily constant.
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  Speaker 1: But don't flex your youth on the rest of us old.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, But that was a big boom for soccer. It
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: birthed Major League Soccer, It birthed an entire league that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: would lead to a professional team being in Salt Lake,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: and that comes up. I'm around when RSL starts and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: is playing at receycle stadium and their coach is yelling
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: at Bence check. It's dad. Like, these things happen that
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  Speaker 6: make you connected to the sport and you're hooked for life.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: So if this is this is something for someone coming
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: up watching soccer now, it's only good for this game.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: That is it continues to mature with Major League Soccer
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: in the professional teams here.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Someone needs to go find if there was there's ever
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: a photo of Michael Jordan giving like baby Lebron or Bath. Okay,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: because that's this level, that's it's completely bananas. Well, while
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: that is, like you said, starcrossed and crazy, let's talk
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: about the matchup itself. I mean, Messi should not be
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: doing what Messi does, right, the guy he's coming up
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: on forty. Soccer, like every other pro sport, is very
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: much a young man's game, and yet he is. He's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: been better in the last two World Cups, and he
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: was in his first four World Cups, and he has
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to go back to back. Spain is the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: only thing that stands in Argentina's way. How do you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: handicap the game? What do you think the keys to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: it are?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's it's pretty regular for you to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: have the favorite not being Argentina, as it has been
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: at different points during this tournament, and that's fine, I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: think I agree with that. But Argentina has created a team,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: an environment, a system that is built around their best
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: player in Lionel Messi, and for him to deliver in
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: these moments every single time. It's going to be how
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: Spain matches up with Messi and whether they decide to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: crowd him like England did for seemingly eighty minutes and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: then he gets off on this crazy run, going wide
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: and crossing balls into the box. But Spain has a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: very talented group and it is the type of scenario
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: where you're seeing a team that has grown up together
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: at the same academy's playing for Barcelona. There's a very
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: Barcelona influence in the way that they play, and Spain
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: exerts control by having the ball, playing a little bit
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: more conservatively than the Argentinian style, which will be very
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: physical and ultimately rely on the brilliance of Lionel Messi,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: but having all these players to protect him, whether he
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: can find the ball in different spaces, whether it's out
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: wide or whether it's those one twos that they do
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: in the middle, that'll be the key to the game
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: and whether Argentina as the ultimate underdog in another World
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: Cup final with Lionel Messi leading the charge, whether they're
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: able to come up on top. But I think Spain
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: should be the favorite and would be the team that
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: I would pick on Sutday.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: So obviously, Messi has scored a bunch of goals in
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: this tournament and a bunch of goals in international competition,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: and as the all time goals leader in World Cup play,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: and especially in this England matchup, we saw how important
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: he is to Argentina even when he doesn't score the goals,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: right when he facilitates for somebody else to score the goals.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Is there any meat on the bone for Argentina. Of
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: course they want Messi to score, But is there any
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: way that you can just say, Look, they're going to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: mark Messi, They're going to overindex toward Messi. If we
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: pulled Messi out and have him out on the edges
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: to where he's servicing into the box with corner kicks
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: like we saw with England, like we can create a weakness,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: we can create an opening for somebody else because they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: have the talent around him to at least capitalize on that.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: Is that something that tactically would make sense for Argentina.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: So people have been thinking.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: About this question for twenty years his entire career, and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: nobody has a perfect answer for that. Just showing people howat.
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  Speaker 3: His talent is.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: He can do anything, whether he's being the provider, whether
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: he's being the score, whether he's picking it up. You
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: see in these tournaments and with these exceptional players, they'll
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: go back into the defensive line, pick up the ball
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: and try to carry it forward, just through individual skill
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: and brilliance. It's the reason why Diego ben Aradona, in
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: a game against England in nineteen eighty six, goes on
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: a fifty yard run. It's the greatest goal in World
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: Cup history. He has all the answers to the test.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: This is the ultimate version of Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers. Pick the quarterback of your flavor, that is
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: leon and Lessi, and he's doing it at a Tom
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: Brady pace where it doesn't even look like he's going
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: to slow down. He could change leagues. He'll do it.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: He'll do it in the French League. He'll do it
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: in the Spanish league. He'll do it in Major League Soccer.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: So even if they crowd him, even if they turn
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: him into a provider, he will still have an answer
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: to the question and he'll able to find a solution
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: at some point.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: As he said, this is his last world up. Has
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Leo Messi said, I'm not doing it again.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: I don't think he can and I don't think he
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: should because you see how long athletes are going now.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: Lebron's captivating the NBA audience at forty one with his
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: free agent decision. Now he likes the attention, and I'm
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: sure he's going to make a big deal about where
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: he picks next.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: But you're seeing.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: Athletes going even longer and longer. Tom Brady, who I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: mentioned earlier, Messi could do this for as long as
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: he wants. And as you watch him week to week
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: in the MLS with Inter Miami winning a championship there,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: how are we supposed to doubt this man? He's proved
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: us wrong at every point.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: And I know I've over indexed on this fact, but
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: he's he has scored more goals after turning thirty five
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: than before he turned.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: Thirty four, right, and only doing it. I mean consider
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: also the weight of the jersey that you have with him.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: Many people have Diego Maradona as their goat before Messi.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: They think he's the greatest World Cup performer soccer player
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: of all time. Him and Pele are the tops of
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: the tops. It's because of that Maradona with his shadow.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: Mardonna even coached him at a World Cup. That's how
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: heavy the shadow was.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: And he was theirs.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: He played in Argentina, he wore the jersey, he performed
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: for the national team, he performed for a club team,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: and Messi was the one who left, who went to Spain,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: who did his development with the Barcelona academy. So he
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: wasn't necessarily theirs until he wins the World Cup, and
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: then he does it, and then he's now on the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: precipice of doing it again after making it to two
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: previous finals. It's incredible what he's been able to do
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: with all that pressure on top of his shoulders.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Outside of the final matchup that we've got here, what
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: was what was your favorite moment of this World Cup?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: So I was rooting for Mexico a lot during this
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: World Cup, and it was because of the atmosphere of
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: the Azteca and that game was it was exactly what
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: needs to be advertised about the sport because it had adversity.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: It had what some would describe as dencethory with the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: red cards. You had multiple things going on and ultimately
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: you saw a team powered by a brilliant young star
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: with Jude Bellingham failed to withstand it, have a goalkeeper
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: stand once had it had chances back and forth and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: that on road soil altitude. They're talking about the smog
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: heading into the game, all the adversity that England had faced.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: Even as someone who is rooting for Mexico in that
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: moment and seeing how it felt as a fan to
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: see them not come through, to appreciate that as a
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: sporting moment, I loved that game. Every minute of that
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: match was spine tingling, put you on the edge of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: your seat and exactly why we love sports.
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  Speaker 9: JP.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you giving us some time and perspective here
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  Speaker 3: every athlete and their friends all a podcast now. And
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  Speaker 3: something that you see all the time on these podcasts
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  Speaker 3: actually not as much as people think it is, right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: million dollars once you get the taxes taken out of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I gotta have fifteen cars, and I gotta pay
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  Speaker 3: for twelve people to follow me around everywhere and all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. And there's this like trend of athletes coming
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  Speaker 3: on and doing like backwards disgusting like girl math, where
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  Speaker 3: they're just like, well, you can't not buy these things.
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  Speaker 1: It's on sale, so I had to buy it.
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  Speaker 3: It was on sale. I had to buy four houses, right,
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  Speaker 3: And then I guess they're trying to get sympathy, and
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: they do it every single time with this tone of like,
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  Speaker 3: you guys don't know what it's like to be rich.
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  Speaker 1: You guys don't know how difficult it is to be rich.
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  Speaker 3: It is the most tone deaf behavior that you can
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  Speaker 3: possibly see from professional athletes. And it happens everywhere. It
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: happens on a podcast at least once a week these days.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know there should be a moratorium on
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: these guys getting asked questions about finances because it makes
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: them look like they are out of touch with every
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: fan and also makes them look like complete morons because
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, I made forty million dollars in the NBA,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: but that's really only twenty one million dollars in the NBA,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: So could you make twenty.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: One million dollars last for the rest of your life?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: And every human being who doesn't play professional athletics is like.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could, I could do that, yeah, or you
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: know what, I'd sure like to I'd sure like a
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: chance to try, Like, yeah, I could figure that out.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: Well, we could be all of you uts out there,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: stand up and be proud because the voice of reason,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: at least in the NBA circles has come in on
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: Twitter and it is none other.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Than our guy, Kyle Kuzma.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: Kyle Kuzma, former ute.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Who's made a lot of money himself. He's made a
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: ton of money, right.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: He came out with this off the top rope to
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: all of the complainers, all of his fellow NBA stars
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: or borderline stars that are going on these podcasts and
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: going on these broadcasts and talking about the sad song
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: and play the violin and the sob story of how
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: being rich really isn't as rich as you think rich
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: is because you guys don't know about taxes. Please, every
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: one of us has to pay taxes. This is Kyle Kuzma.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely wonderful.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Not gonna lie.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: It's exhausting hearing athletes break down their millions, how they
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: aren't really millions after taxes and fees. Forty million after
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: taxes is still forty million. The real issue isn't the system,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: it's lifestyle creep. Nobody told you to live like a king,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: buy five cars or moved with a ten person entourage.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Modest is allowed.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: And then people are all in his comments, basically clapping
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: for him, applauding his stance, he says, And they say
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: it like they're gonna get empathy from regular folks that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: are using credit reward points for groceries. Right now, Kyle
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Kuzma is serving as the voice of reason and wisdom
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: for his fellow NBA players, like, look, if you want
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: to complain about being rich, do it somewhere else. If
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: you want to complain about rich people's stuff, I know
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: rich people. Okay, this sounds like me trying to brag.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: It's a flex. It's not because of any accomplishment I own.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: But I have some friends that are very very wealthy,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: And when I hear them complaining about wealthy people.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Problems, we know, Sandy neighborhood guy, we already know oc. Yes,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Jordan High School has produced a lot of very rich people,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: right when you when your when your friend is complaining
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: about how they're the plane that they their private plane
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: is not as you know, cheap as they thought it
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: was going to be. Very few efficients you're just like,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: knock it off. When your friend is just like, dude,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: this this Ferrari that I just bought, my dog got
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: hair all over the front seat. You're like, dude, stop
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: talking like this. My wife, my wife's door hid into it,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: so now I got a door ding on a Lamborghini.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, stop doing this. If you want
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: to have those complaints, do it at the country, do
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: it at the private airplane hangar with the other rich people. Okay,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: don't talk to me about these rich people things. And
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: you know, you maintain good humor about it, but you
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: roll your eyes and you're just like, I'm sorry that
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: your yacht. You had to hire a new captain for
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: your yacht because the last guy left, Like, shut up
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: that Kyle Kuzma. Who knew Kyle Kuzma, who's always wearing
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: those crazy like fashion experiment clothes for his NBA arrivals,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: who knew that he was such a man of the people.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Well, so it actually is completely on brand, considering he's
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: the guy who from Flint, Michigan, and Flint is a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: well documented water problem, and he's the guy who has
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: a lot, very a ton of times over the years
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: tweeted out, you guys know that there's x amount of
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know off the top of my head, x
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: amount of people in our country, in the United States
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: of America who don't have clean water to drink. Right,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: So he he's done this type of thing before, been
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: a man of the people kind of voice for that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: local problem for him in his hometown. So this, you
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: know what, this doesn't surprise me that much, knowing he
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: has always remembered his roots about what's going on at Flint, Michigan.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: He's remembering his roots as a guy who didn't always
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: who wasn't always rich too. Oh see, So hats off
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: to you, Kyle Kuzma. We still love you here in
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Lou Williams went on a podcast and said the average
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: NBA player goes broke because five million dollars is not
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of money.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: He said that.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Sebastian Telfair went on a podcast and said his twenty
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: million dollars in NBA earnings actually broke down to about
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: one million dollars a year after taxes. He played ten
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: years and he's like, yeah, I actually ended up making
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: about one million dollars a year.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: And he's acting like that's not enough, like that's not
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, Like goodness, gracious, it's it's a
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: wild thing.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 8: And I get it.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Your level of expectation and your spending changes drastically when
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: you're in these circles when you're trying to keep up
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: with the Joneses. Right, you know who the best person
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: to listen to on all this financial stuff is. You
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: know who's the best to listen to when he talks
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: about it, Shaquille O'Neil Shack.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Shaquille O'Neil is.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: So wonderful to hear talking about his lessons and the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: way that he learned how to be, you know, a successful,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: mega wealthy person because Shaq went through like the growing pains.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: Shaq spent the first million dollars that he was given
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: in the NBA the first day that he got it,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: and he'll tell you that, and he'll tell you what
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: a mistake it was. And Shaq is incredibly charitable by
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: the way. He's always helping people out. And and Shaq
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: will tell you the hard lessons he had to learn
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: when like his stepdad would take him and see, like,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: you know, he would be complaining about something basketball related,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: rich guy basketball related, and his military centric stepdad would
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: take him down and show him a family standing outside
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: of homeless shelter and be like, stop your whining. Like
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: Shaq is really wonderful to listen talk to. I want
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Shack doing all of these conversations. I don't want to
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: hear Lou Williams telling me that five million dollars is
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: not enough money. And look, a lot of these guys aren't.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: They don't enter the NBA. They're equipped with good financial sense.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: They don't come a lot of these guys from backgrounds
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: where the people around them can tell them what to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: do where they get but guess what the resources are
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: there in every professional league. They have it. You to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: be an NBA player who maybe comes into the league
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: and things, I better make more than five million dollars
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: a year, because five million dollars a year is not
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of money.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I heard Lou Williams talk about it.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: You could literally walk down the hall in the practice
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: facility and be like, hey, do we have a financial advisor?
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Do we have like a finances person that could help
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: me make sure I get my money right? And every
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: NBA team can answer, yeah, we have that. Or you
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: know what, your players union has all of those people.
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  Speaker 4: You already pay very much for those every much they
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: have to pay whatever dues they have to pay for
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: being a part of the players association and and having
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: and having you know, being able to utilize all the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: resources lawyers and whatnot they've got financial They've got financial
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: planners in those organizations as well. I don't know that
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: for sure, but like it seems like they probably do.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: So it's a there's no reason today unless you are
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: just not seeking help for you not to be able
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  Speaker 4: to make a million dollars a year Sebastian Telfair or
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: five million dollars Lou Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Last for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, a million dollars doesn't go as far as it
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  Speaker 3: used to, all right, Sebastian. But it's still planning to
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: get by on. It's a million dollars a year. It's
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: not one time like like a certain fighter gut well.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: And by the way, like when people talk about there,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: there is a differentference between being a professional athlete and
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: an accountant or a doctor or a ups driver or
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: whatever you are, because you have a window of opportunity.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Your earnings are narrow, right when you're talking about your
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: athletic earnings. The thing that is not ever explored with
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: these conversations where guys are so shortsighted on this stuff,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: is the opportunity you have by being a professional athlete
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: to then parlay that into whatever else.
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  Speaker 1: Coaching, analyst, work, broadcasting.
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  Speaker 4: Like scouting, entrepreneur, so many of these, like you mentioned Shack,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: like that guy has become a business mogul.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Private equity guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know Steve Young obviously a prominent athlete with ties
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: here to the state of Utah. You know, Steve Young
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: is like a mega, mega, mega millionaire, not because of
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: his NFL years, but because of private equity. Yeah, he's
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: a partner of private equity for him now. And you
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: know that Steve Young doesn't need to do his broadcasting
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: work anymore, and in fact, it's actually losing him money
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: when he spends time doing analyst work on a broadcast and.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't do that much of it anymore yet.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: But guess what, you know why he still does it
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: because his private equity firm partners want Steve Young to
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: still be Steve Young so that they can get into
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: rooms and do deals with people who want to be
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: in business with Steve Young like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a professional athlete.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: That's what the professional athlete.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Path offers you on some level.
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  Speaker 3: Not everyone is as handsome and charismatic and intelligent as
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Steve Young, but just hearing anybody who has these opportunities
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: use them as a ground for complaint.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Kyle Kuzma for calling it out. It is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to kuz I was great to see a
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  Speaker 1: ute putting sense back into people.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? All right, we're way over
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  Speaker 3: time here. We'll come back with John Wright. We got
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: Craig Bowler Jack joining us. Still talking a little golf
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  Speaker 3: bit about what's going on at the Birkdale.
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  Speaker 1: John Right, welcome, How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: I'm well, thanks so see good to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a preference I'm calling it the Open,
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  Speaker 3: the Open Championship or the British Open.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they prefer it the Open Championship, so they like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: to be a little snooty over there. So I call
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  Speaker 5: it the Open, but I grew up calling it the
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: British Open my whole life.
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  Speaker 3: So well, we'll use it. We'll use it interchangeably here
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  Speaker 3: on the show. So you know, we're just off at
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: the start of this thing. What do you think into
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: the place so far? What do you think of the
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  Speaker 3: course and how it's playing so far?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I love this tournament because of
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: when the broadcast windows, so I never sleep well. So
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: I woke up around five this morning and the Open
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  Speaker 5: was on, which was great, and Scotti Scheffler is one
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  Speaker 5: of the first groups off and watched a little bit
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: of that and then actually went and played around at
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: golf and did some work, came back and it is
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  Speaker 5: still on. I love it. So the thing that jumps
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  Speaker 5: out of me so far as the different playing conditions.
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  Speaker 5: The guys who played early had the much better go
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  Speaker 5: of it. This golf course is completely burned out. I
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  Speaker 5: just got back from the British Senior Amateur last week
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  Speaker 5: in England as well, and they haven't had rain in
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  Speaker 5: like three months, and this golf courses looks like concrete
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  Speaker 5: to me, like they're keeping the greens alive, but the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the golf course is browned out and super firm.
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  Speaker 5: Rory McElroy hit a driver on a three hundred and
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  Speaker 5: eighty nine yard hole and rolled it over the back
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  Speaker 5: of the green. So the ball is definitely rolling when
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  Speaker 5: there's quite a bit of wind. So the afternoon players,
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  Speaker 5: the guy's playing right now, they're holding it together. But
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  Speaker 5: the guys who played earlier had a bit of an
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  Speaker 5: advantage and that'll switch tomorrow because they flipped tea times.
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  Speaker 5: But that was the two things that jumped out of me.
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  Speaker 5: It's just the wind is picked up and it's super dry,
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  Speaker 5: and the ball. It's hard to control your ball when
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  Speaker 5: you don't know how far it's going to roll.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure these guys are forecasting out and
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  Speaker 3: they've become aware that the weather is, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of anomalist right now in the UK. But I imagine
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  Speaker 3: when you're expecting to go overseas across the pond and
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  Speaker 3: play over there, they you're not expecting those types of conditions, right,
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  Speaker 3: So is there I mean, is there any adjustment you
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  Speaker 3: make realizing Holy cow, we're going to play the British Open,
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  Speaker 3: but it doesn't look like a British Open is supposed.
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  Speaker 5: To, right. I mean, well, I used to used to
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  Speaker 5: wake up in the morning and watch the coverage and
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  Speaker 5: you see guys wearing sweaters and gloves and you know,
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  Speaker 5: in beanie hats and trying to stay warm because they're
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  Speaker 5: up in Scotland somewhere and it's windy and cold. But
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  Speaker 5: it's just not the way. It was super hot when
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  Speaker 5: we were there last week and it's continued. And what
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  Speaker 5: I did not know that maybe some of your listeners
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  Speaker 5: didn't know either. They don't have a lot of air
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  Speaker 5: conditioning in Europe and it was uncomfortable, to say the least.
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  Speaker 5: But these guys are they're used to the heat. Is that.
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  Speaker 5: What they're not used to is playing the ball in
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  Speaker 5: the ground and the the European players will have a
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  Speaker 5: bit of an advantage doing that, but we're not seeing
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  Speaker 5: it out of Rory McElroy and watching him really struggle
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  Speaker 5: right now. And some of the big sur pride like
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  Speaker 5: Jackson suber Is, he's the leader and he's never won
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  Speaker 5: on tour. So I would have said prior to the
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  Speaker 5: start of this event, that Royal Burkedelle usually produces like
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  Speaker 5: a pure bread type champion, you know, Nick Faldo or
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  Speaker 5: Jordan Speth or Ben Hogan or those types of all
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  Speaker 5: the guys who won on this golf course. And sometimes
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: at the Open we get some surprise winners like Ben
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  Speaker 5: Curtis er Todd Hamilton or guys you never heard of.
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  Speaker 5: And I would not expect that to happen at this
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  Speaker 5: golf course. But we've got Jackson Suber who no one's
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  Speaker 5: really no at the top of the leader board to start. Now,
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  Speaker 5: we have a long way to go, but the golf
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  Speaker 5: course is playing really difficult, and I think these guys
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  Speaker 5: are a little unprepared for the way the ball is
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  Speaker 5: bouncing around and rolling out. So and I just watching
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  Speaker 5: Rory McElroy is struggling mightily right now. So and that's
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  Speaker 5: a guy who grew up this type of golf.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if we're on the same point on the broadcast
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  Speaker 3: that you are, he just bunkered something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that was a terrible shot. But again, you
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  Speaker 5: know that when it's burned out like that, you know
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  Speaker 5: he's trying to hit a big, high American style flop shot.
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  Speaker 5: And if you don't get that dead perfect it can
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  Speaker 5: go arrive pretty quickly, and that's what happened there. And
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  Speaker 5: the reason it's so difficult is you're really you're literally
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: trying to slide your clubhead underneath that ball. And that's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: easy to do when you've got a little cushion under there,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: but when it's baked out, burned out, rock hard, there
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  Speaker 5: is very little margin for error and you you hit
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  Speaker 5: it a little bit behind it, bounce right into it
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  Speaker 5: and hit that shot.
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  Speaker 3: So Jackson super, as you mentioned, he's atop the leaderboard
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  Speaker 3: right now. He's five under, got a couple of guys
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  Speaker 3: at four under behind him, a logjam at three under.
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  Speaker 3: U you think these numbers are going to kind of
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  Speaker 3: hold through four rounds or will we see some some
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  Speaker 3: big scores.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think those scores are going to go up
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  Speaker 5: just because it's gonna get tougher. I did see they
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: are forecasting some sort of weather on Saturday. So again
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  Speaker 5: that's what I usually say about this tournament, of half
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  Speaker 5: of the battle is just pure luck, and the luck
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  Speaker 5: is getting a good draw because you need to played
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  Speaker 5: late earl or early late in the first two days,
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  Speaker 5: and with the way the weather is there in the
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  Speaker 5: British Isles. It's just pure luck. If you get a
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  Speaker 5: bad draw and you happen to play through the worst
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: of the weather, well tough, too bad. But if you
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  Speaker 5: get a good draw and you miss the miss the
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: bad weather, then it turns out to be a huge advantage.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm not seeing that yet, But maybe Saturday when
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  Speaker 5: when the predicted storms move in, and that might send
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  Speaker 5: scores going up. But this course is very gettable. It's
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  Speaker 5: a par seventy. There's only two par fives, but they're
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  Speaker 5: they're easily reachable if this if this same wind stays up.
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  Speaker 5: But I'll tell you, you get it offline just a
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  Speaker 5: little bit and get a little bit of bad luck
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  Speaker 5: and you can have a shot that you you don't
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  Speaker 5: even have a shot. And we're seeing that right now
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  Speaker 5: on the same coverage. Rory mclaure's playing a Booker shot
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  Speaker 5: from his knees.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to decide if he's going to take
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  Speaker 3: it from his knees. These bunkers it's like a little
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  Speaker 3: cliff and then down into the sand, so he's trying
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  Speaker 3: to try to see if he can go. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna go knock quite down on one knee. Is
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  Speaker 3: what it looks like is he tries to approach the flag.
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  Speaker 5: Here h and you know, I guess he's glad he's
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: only five to seven right now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he is going down on one knee. He's got
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  Speaker 1: like and how would you play this here?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, can he not?
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  Speaker 1: Can he not do anything from the can he not
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  Speaker 1: go south? Paul shoot left hand free?
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  Speaker 5: And this would be a lot harder for me I
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  Speaker 5: And plus I'm also fifty five years old, so not
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: nearly as flexible as he is. And no, lefty is
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: not an option there because he got to flip the
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  Speaker 5: club over and it wouldn't go through the sand. So
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  Speaker 5: this is this is a harder shot that it looks.
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  Speaker 5: It's actually looks harder than it is. He should be
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  Speaker 5: able to get this close. He's done this before. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: see that was not.
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  Speaker 1: A bad shot.
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  Speaker 5: Shot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, pretty good shot there for Roy.
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  Speaker 5: That's the beauty of That's the beauty of lenk Flam Golf.
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  Speaker 5: It's very you these pot bunkers, they're not meant to be,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they're a penalty, not like the golf the
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  Speaker 5: courses over here in the States that if you get
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  Speaker 5: a good lion a bunker for a good player, it's
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  Speaker 5: really not a hard shot, but these these they roll
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  Speaker 5: in and from all different angles and sometimes you can't
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: get it out. Sometimes you have to go backwards, sometimes
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: you have to do what Rory just did. So and
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  Speaker 5: the American players really aren't used to this kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and I know I wasn't. It was a rude awakening
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  Speaker 5: when I played last week. But it's it's a really
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: different type of golf, and it's played lower to the ground,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: and it's it's it's played mostly on the ground, and
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  Speaker 5: American players aren't used to that.
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  Speaker 3: Kopka is even now through seventeen. It looks like you've
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  Speaker 3: got Bryson de Shamba who's near the top. I think
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: he's in that logjam at three under right now. Aside
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  Speaker 3: from Jackson Super, is there an American who you think
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  Speaker 3: can kind of battle his way on this course?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean Scotti Scheffler is the number one player
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  Speaker 5: in the world, and I know he missed the cut
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  Speaker 5: last week for the first time in like four years,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: but that's not indicative of how he's been playing. He's
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: had a wonderful year. He just hasn't won. I mean,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: he's won three times, but he should have won more.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: But he's played so well and his stats are by
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: far and above way. His strokes game, which is a
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 5: golf stats, he's in the top fifteen of every strokes game,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: cutting strokes, game, driving strokes, game, ironshot. I mean, he's
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: just that good. He struggled a little bit this morning
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: when I was watching him, and he's shot two under par.
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  Speaker 5: He's right where he needs to be. I just think
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  Speaker 5: he has to be the guy to beat. And Cameron Young,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: who won the Players Championship, had a nice round today.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: He's three under with one hole to play. Look for
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 5: him to have a great week too. Hits the ball
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  Speaker 5: really far, and I'm telling you, the ball is really
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: going far. And if a guy like Bryson de Sembo,
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  Speaker 5: who also hits it far, if he can keep it
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  Speaker 5: straight in between all these pot bunkers and all these
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: heavy fescue rough he's someone to look out for. Now.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: He's going to be super aggressive. And he got away
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: with it today shot three hunderd par. But if he
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 5: starts hitting it in some bad spots, it gets a
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: couple of bad breaks. You can make double and triple
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: bogie here pretty fast.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's old news now, but you did mention
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: Scotti Scheffer missed the cut for the first time in
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: a long time. Why I didn't get to see any
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: of it? What was going on with this game last week?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I was too busy missing my own cut. Great,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: I didn't see any of it. But I just think
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: he had a You know, golf is hard, and no
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: matter how good you are, you get it going the
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: wrong way and have a couple of bad holes, get
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: over par, start pressing, and things just don't go your way.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: I think it is actually probably a benefit to him.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: Give him some give him some breask, get over to
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: this golf course a little bit early and get some
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 5: practice rounds in and just kind of forget about it.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: Because the Scottish Open is a great event. It's an
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: elevate event, it's it's co stationed by the PGA Tour
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 5: and the and the DP World Tour, and so it's
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: a great event. But you know, he's over here to
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: defend his major championship and win another claret jug So
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's even indicative of any of how
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: he's been playing this season.
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  Speaker 3: The British Open will stay on top of it. At
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: the Royal Birkdale. Have you ever played this course, by the.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: Way, I have not. That was my first trip over
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: and I was unsuccessful. I made it eight on a
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: par four, which kind of hurt my chance of making
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: the cut. So no, I have not. I want Next
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: year the same tournament is in Scotland, so I'm going
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: to go a little early in play some of the
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: Scottish golf courses that are in the British Open Rota,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: but Birkdale is definitely on the list and it's the
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: players love it. It's a very fair test. It's not
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 5: nearly as hard as some of the Scottish courses like
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: Carnesty and others, but it can be had. But like
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: I said, you just have to be very strategic about
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: the way you play. And that's why someone like Brython,
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  Speaker 5: he's just gonna bomb it and just see what happens,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: and if he can get away with it for four days,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: then he might he might win the whole thing. But
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you, you can get one or two bad
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: bounces and things go really sideways really quickly. Same thing
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 5: weather too. If a storm rolls in and you get
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 5: it blowing forty miles an hour. They don't stop there.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: The reason we have to laves here in the US
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: is because of lightning and it's dangerous. They rarely have
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: the lightning storms there, so it doesn't matter if it's raining,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: sideways blowing fifty miles an hour, you're playing and it's
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 5: extremely difficult to play through that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: What is the bucket list of courses currently for John Wright?
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  Speaker 3: Where's like, what's your top three that you need to
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  Speaker 3: play as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I've been lucky enough. I've played all of the
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: top thirty in the United States except for Pine Valley,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: which is just outside of Philadelphia, and I've been invited.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: I haven't just haven't been able to get there yet,
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  Speaker 5: So that is number one on my list. I'd love
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  Speaker 5: to play all the British Open courses I want to play.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously St. Andrews is number one, the home of golf.
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  Speaker 5: They're having the Open there next year. It's iconic and
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  Speaker 5: it's it's where golf all started. So that's number one
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  Speaker 5: for sure. But and that one, that one, and all
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  Speaker 5: of the British Open wrote of courses. You know, they
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  Speaker 5: have Tarnousti and Turnberry and Troon and Royal lit them
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  Speaker 5: at Saint Anne's. All those are bucket lists. I just
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: haven't been able to get over there yet. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to take two weeks off of work and
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: spend fifteen thousand dollars playing golf. So if wait, why
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and scheduling is very difficult. Those courses are
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: hugely popular. You got to book them years in advance.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 5: It's not a last minute type of thing. So those
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: are the ones I'd love to play. And then there's
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  Speaker 5: one in Australia called Royal Melburn. It's usually in the
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: top two or three in the world, and that's a
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  Speaker 5: They had the President's Cup there a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fantastic golf course. I'd love to play there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you get to all of them.
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  Speaker 5: Very lucky. I've been very lucky. I've played Augusta National
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  Speaker 5: and all the great ones here in the US. So
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  Speaker 5: I have no complaints if I if I don't play
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  Speaker 5: any more of the greatest golf courses. I'm very happy
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  Speaker 5: with the ones I've been able to play.
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  Speaker 1: John, appreciate your time and your perspective. Sir, Thanks very much.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Glad to be here so let's wake up.
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  Speaker 5: So the coverage starts tonight again at eleven thirty pm.
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  Speaker 5: Just go all through the night. You can watch it
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  Speaker 5: all the way through.
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  Speaker 1: I am not that dedicated to golf. I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we have you for, John, Yeah, exactly. You
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: tell me about the fights and I'll watch the golf.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds good.
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  Speaker 3: That's John, right, brought to you by our friends over
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  Speaker 3: at you went to golf the British Open right now,
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  Speaker 3: Jackson super five under atop the leaderboard at least through
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  Speaker 3: his first round of play. Craig Bowler, Jack's going to
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  Speaker 10: Amy, Welcome back to the Shattle Carl Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in Utah Broadcasting legend voice of the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 2: Craig Bowler Jack, who gives us a few minutes on
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  Speaker 2: a Thursday, fresh off of Jazz Summer League action and
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  Speaker 2: with plenty to talk about in this NBA offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Bowler, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 9: Oh say, I'm good?
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  Speaker 3: How you been really good? It's been fun to watch
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: this Utah Jazz team in Summer League. Actually, at least
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: the young bucks from this Utah Jazz squad, even without
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Ace Bailey, with the injury situation, we had all these
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: high hopes right this, Hey, you're gonna get one of
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: the top players in this draft, and the top players
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: in this draft look like they're all gonna be really good.
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  Speaker 3: It ends up being Darren Peterson, and most Jazz fans
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: were happy just with the idea of it. Now that
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: we've had an opportunity to see some of the reality,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: a very brief glimpse, early glimpse into the reality of
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  Speaker 3: what Darren Peterson can be against other NBA talent, I
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  Speaker 3: think people are even more excited.
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  Speaker 1: Bowler.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us what you saw close and personal from DP
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: in these first forays in the Jazz uniform.
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  Speaker 9: Well in Seoul, Lake Oce it was a splash. His
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 9: first moment he stepped on the floor twenty eight in
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 9: Game one on that Saturday prior to the fourth of July.
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  Speaker 9: Then answered back with twenty five on the Monday night.
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  Speaker 9: I go while you know, the fan base was I mean,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 9: the attendance was outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: I got to be honest.
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  Speaker 9: For a holiday weekend, mind you, but they came to
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  Speaker 9: see Darren Peterson number two pick, first number two pick
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  Speaker 9: since way way back with Darryl Griffith in nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I'm amazed at his skill set. Still has
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 9: to maybe be more confident in his shot selection, you know,
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  Speaker 9: washing him last night. You know, four of sixteen he takes.
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  Speaker 9: He is a heavy. You know, he'll take the load
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  Speaker 9: of shots. He'll be interesting to see how he matches
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 9: up with Key in the back court. Then the distribution
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  Speaker 9: of shots with Triple J obviously and Larry Market and
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 9: whoever they decide to put it the other spot up front.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's it's exciting. I mean, he's athletic. Oh see,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 9: he can do a lot of things. And one thing
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 9: I really do like is that he still is very
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 9: involved with his teammates and dishing out dimes. That looks
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 9: like he's got some defensive ability as well. He is
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 9: an athlete, I mean, plain and simple, and so he
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  Speaker 9: can do a lot of things. As he makes this adjustment,
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  Speaker 9: you know, into the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't want to over react to anything you're
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: seeing yet, but the way that he appears to have
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: kind of like every tool, he's the baseball five tool player.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: He's the guy who can handle the ball, he can
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  Speaker 3: play a little bit of defense. If he needs to
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  Speaker 3: explode to the hoop, I feel like that's something you
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: might have to actually dial back rather than encourage. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's got a shot that will continue to develop, and
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  Speaker 3: you don't really get a good sense yet. But if
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  Speaker 3: there is a limitation or if there is something that
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: you know, this Jazz coaching staff is going to start
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  Speaker 3: working on with him or is going to try to
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  Speaker 3: get him maybe to improve quickly, is there something you
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  Speaker 3: can identify as, for lack of a better term, the weakness,
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  Speaker 3: the blind spot?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, interesting, you know the hype of hype and you
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 9: make a great point. Look, this is just summer league
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 9: with a bunch of players that are hopeful that they
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 9: can find a roster spot. That's not the case however
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  Speaker 9: for Peterson, but there's pressure there to showcase his skill set,
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  Speaker 9: which obviously lifted him to a number two pick with
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  Speaker 9: the Jazz. We saw what aj can do. Peterson was
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  Speaker 9: shut down for a couple of games, comes back last night,
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  Speaker 9: maybe a little rusty. I think it's just not forcing shots.
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  Speaker 9: And then obviously I think it's for the entire team.
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  Speaker 9: Is you know, again playing team concept defense help to
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  Speaker 9: help her. I know that's been overstated, but that's you know,
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  Speaker 9: that's the bottom line. Oh see what's been you know,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 9: the equation of success the last three champions I mean
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  Speaker 9: in Boston last year, you know, Oklahoma City, then last
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  Speaker 9: year in New York. I mean, it's just a blend
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 9: right of guys who go out can be two way players. Offensively, yes,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 9: that's almost sounds like the easy part. But can you
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  Speaker 9: play both sides of the be a defender as well?
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  Speaker 9: And I think that's what the Jazz are really going
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 9: to focus on in camp come September and then they
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 9: move forward and from there. I'll never forget. It's been
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 9: three years now, maybe going on four. It's hard to
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 9: believe Will's heading into his fifth season as the head
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 9: coach of the Jazz, but he made it very clear
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 9: in the early stages of his career. In his debut
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 9: as a head coach, was Hey, look, it's hard enough
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 9: to make a roster spot in the league, it's even
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 9: harder to keep it. And one thing for the Jazz
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 9: you're going to have to play defense is to keep
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 9: that spot. And I think that still echoes with what
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 9: the league is doing. You know, the Big Three kind
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 9: of has kind of just worn itself out. I think
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 9: you're seeing more depth that teams want that if an
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 9: injury occurs, you can then fill the slot. But who
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 9: can help when where and not be impacted in the
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 9: sense of the awe moment. Go out and play because
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 9: you've been there. And I think the last two years
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 9: for the Jazz, the reps of all these players again
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 9: on the floor has got to help call your sins
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 9: of ball Philipowski and the list goes on and on,
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  Speaker 9: so that there's time and space when this when their
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 9: numbers called, that they feel like they've been there. And
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  Speaker 9: I think that's really important for this Jazz team because
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 9: it's a wicked West as you know, very competitive, and
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 9: I think depth now is kind of the key for
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 9: most teams around the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: I almost feel silly now because because Darren the way
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: he's talked, in the way that we've seen him play,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: But you know, there was plenty of narrative, plenty of conversation,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: and I asked questions. I asked, I ask questions to
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: you about like, is this the guy who wants to
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: be in Utah? He didn't come work out here, And
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: we did the same thing with as Bailey and the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: rumors surrounding him, and like now, back to back years,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: both of those individuals show up, they sit down, they
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: meet the press, They win the press conference, if there
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: is such a thing, They answer things the right way,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: they handle it, whether whether they feel genuinely open to
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: this or whether they've just been you know, media savvy enough,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: having been high level prospects for so long that you know,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: it feels like a big nothing burger, all of this
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: fretting and worrying and wondering if Utah is the right
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: place for some of these guys. And I know this
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: has to play out and we've got plenty of time
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: left to make a final decision on that, but at
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: least for now, Darren Peterson is making it look like
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: that there never should have been any concern over any
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: of this. Is that a sense that you get, Is
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: it time to put those things to bet?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 9: You know, I think again, you have to let time
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 9: pass and see how you know he blends with the
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 9: vets right, and what his workload will be in responsibility.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 9: But you know, o Seetaya, it was like last year
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 9: you mentioned it was Ace Bailey, who again you have
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 9: to be careful here because social media is dangerous and
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 9: what are and what things are said sometimes don't come
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 9: out of the mouth of the player. It's all jockeying
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 9: for positions and through agents and rep representatives right trying
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 9: to build on their client and they're trying to make
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 9: the best deal for you. Well, you know, sometimes you
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 9: wish that you could step in, but what we're dealing
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 9: with now is eighteen nineteen twenty year olds who sit
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 9: back and just kind of let someone else do their
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 9: work because they're paying a very high level wage to
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 9: represent them. I think Aces turned out to be incredible.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 9: He's been engaging. I tell you, the night of the draft,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 9: we're at Southtown, the shops of Southtown, and there was
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 9: what five thousand or more people there. Ace come up,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 9: came up on stage with me to do a one
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  Speaker 9: on one and I never seen this young man so engaged.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 9: And that's a turnaround from last year. I think again,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 9: the spotlight is difficult to handle. You only play thirty
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 9: games in college and all of a sudden, the stage
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 9: turns brighter. Twenty four for Peterson at KU, I've had
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 9: a chance to really taught to Darren that much, but
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  Speaker 9: I'm looking forward to it. But Ace and I spoke
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 9: for five to six minutes. The crowd was buzz and
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 9: hum and he was playing to the crowd, and I
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 9: think he realizes, you know how fans. I mean, most
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 9: franchises have terrific fan bases, or they wouldn't be in
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 9: the city. The Jazz are special because they've hung. They've
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 9: hung with this franchise through highs and lows and thick
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 9: and thin. But for them to for them to embrace
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 9: Ace and now Darren Peterson, young guys who they hope
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 9: will bring them to the Promised Land one day again
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 9: like John and Carl, uh came up short. But can
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 9: you get back with an opportunity. That's That's what the
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 9: thought process is right now and the goal in mind.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 9: But I think younger players need that time to adjust
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 9: and understand, oh see what it's all about. I mean,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 9: let's be honest, I didn't have social media back in
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 9: the day. I didn't have a cell phone. I was
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 9: an overrun with you know, people all of a sudden
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 9: immediately become you know, experts in in basketball the NBA,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 9: and I think it takes time to adjust to that.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 9: And I think Ace has done a marvelous job in
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 9: a short period of time. And I hope Darren Peterson
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 9: does too, because the expectations are high and that's why
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 9: you're making ten plus million dollars a year to fill
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 9: that spot, and the expectations will continue to put pressure
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 9: on him. But I hope you know what he is,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 9: what the flashes he has shown us. Wow, I mean
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 9: that feels good. And just to think about putting him
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 9: around all stars like Jaron Jackson, Junior lauriy Marketing, You've
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 9: got Keyante George who has up to his game to
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 9: a higher level. It's fun and the depth of jazz
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 9: are starting to present us even makes it more interesting
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 9: to get get camp underway.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: Raig Buller Jack our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: talking a little Utah jazz hoop. You just went through
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: the cast of characters that Darren Peterson's going to be
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: placed alongside, And honestly, we thought that Walker Kessler's name
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: would also be on that list. Yeah, when we got
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: the final product, and obviously he's going to be in
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: Lakers purple and gold this year instead and the Jazz
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: get back a haul, And I just wanted you know
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: your thoughts on that and how this team's going to
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: adjust to it. It's not the exact look that a
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: lot of people thought it would be. But man, once again,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: the Angels seem like they got the better end of
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: a really good deal.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 9: It's amazing you continue to just put pieces for the
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 9: future to continue to build and never let yourself get
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 9: into a spot like the Lakers will be now with
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 9: very few picks over the next what five to seven years.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 9: But you know what, though, the Lakers have the ability
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 9: to spend the money and also to attract free agents
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 9: to rebuild quickly, and the Jazz don't have that. So
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 9: they try to have picks and their pocket for Draft night,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 9: for trades, whatever it may be. And so you have
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 9: to give the Angels a lot of credit for that. Now,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 9: Walker I like personally, and I think the Jazz fan
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 9: base did too. A really good left hand shot blocker.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 9: I thought he was a terrific rebounder. Other teams around
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 9: the league thought the same thing. The Lakers have talked
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 9: about him for gosh, a year plus, the shoulder injury comes, restricted,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 9: free agency comes oc and I'd tell you that it
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 9: can be a dangerous situation because you know what, let's
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 9: be honest, feelings come and feelings go. They can get hurt,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 9: they can go sideways or misrepresented in some of the language.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 9: And again you have an agent representing you on trying
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 9: to get this deal done. But look, hey, I just
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 9: give Walker the credit for talking to the Jazz fan base.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 9: He did a right Hayward would probably like to have
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 9: a do over. I think you would agree on his departure.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 9: But the Jazz didn't get anything in return on that
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 9: particular deal. Gordon went off to Boston. The Jazz thought
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 9: he was going to resign, and you know what, Austin
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 9: and Danny and justin front office, I'll say, look, you
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 9: know we're going to get something back in return because
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 9: he has a valuable commodity in the Lakers. You know agreed.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 9: So yeah, I like him. I think he's going to
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 9: do well in LA. But let's see what happens with
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 9: the post Lebron era. Right, that's the only factor of
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 9: what they're going to do in the Los Angeles. But
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 9: all the focuses on the Jazz And how does Jaron
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 9: Jackson Junior and marketing work up front? And what does
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 9: Key do with Darren Peterson. Wow, I mean there's a
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 9: storyline every time you turn around, and I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Big picture stuff here.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Around the NBA offseason, Victor win min Yama reached an
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: extension with the Spurs. He got the five year max
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: contract extension rather than the super Max, which leaves about
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: fifty million dollars on the table for the Spurs to
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: surround him with talent, have more salary cap flexibility, et cetera.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, we're just we're coming off a year
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: when the Knicks won a championship where their number one star,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson left in his contract over one hundred million
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: dollars on the table. Here's another big superstar doing the
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: same thing, giving the team a discount and saying, Hey,
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: use this money to make me or to give me
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: a better team.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: Is this a trend that's going to stick in the NBA?
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 9: You know it may be. Oh see, Jalen brunts improved
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 9: it first, right, build around me. You can't do it
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 9: by yourself. And I think the concept of Big three,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 9: as we were talking earlier, maybe is crumbled where you
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 9: get more players that can give you support and more
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 9: depth and if an injury does occur, it's not going
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 9: to cripple you. And I think, you know, for Victor,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 9: this is kind of scary for the West because all
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 9: it does is make them stry longer for the next
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 9: ten years. And the Jazz are going to try to
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 9: keep up with that with Picks and will it translate
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 9: into another contract and you know Keyante his extension that's forthcoming,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 9: so it'll be interesting to keep track of this. Oh see.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 9: I think it's fascinating honestly, because what does every fan
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 9: talk about, you know, on your show and people who
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 9: text or get a chance to call in and talk
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 9: nationally as well, is what's enough? How much? How much
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 9: is enough? And I think maybe we're at that point
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 9: in time, or even a player with a deal, it's like, man,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 9: you know, I've got everything, I'm twenty what three years old,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 9: and let's go in Because honestly, I think that through
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 9: all of it, Yeah, you can be an NBA All
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 9: Star ten times you can be a MVP All defensive
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 9: first team, but the bottom line is your legacy will
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 9: always be cemented in what win championships? Yeahampionships, right, and
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 9: there's nothing better to be on a winning team, even
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 9: if you don't by chance get into the Western Conference
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 9: or Eastern Conference finals. Boy, there's been guys who sign
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 9: but they struggle and watch a season go by with
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 9: twenty wins. I'd rather this is just me and people
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 9: say you're probably crazy, but I'd rather give up a
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 9: few million. I can't believe I'm saying this because I'll
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 9: never be in this position, but think about it. Oh see,
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 9: would you rather win and have teammates around you and
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 9: that you guys are building something for the future and
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 9: the potential of having the opportunity to get into a
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 9: Western Conference final that would elevate you into an NBA
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 9: championship run. I mean, I find it bizarre that you
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 9: just give up the winning part just for the cash.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 9: But look, I'll never be there. I'm more competitive. I
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 9: think you are as well. I'd rather have team around
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 9: me to say let's go get this done and do
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 9: it as one. Maybe that's too old school, but I
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 9: kind of like the feeling that's going on. Brunton may
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 9: have started something in women Yama. Maybe he is going
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 9: to continue the trend already has Let's see who follows well.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, and I think that this is
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: something that will probably be reserved for like top billing
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: star level players because those guys are going to have
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 3: their several hundred million dollars, like you said, with a
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: shoe deal, with the contract anyway you can afford to
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: take five percent less, that's what that's what this translates to.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: For Victor Wimbenyama. That's fifty that's an insane thing to say.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: But that that fifty million dollar discount over the life
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: of his contract is going to be like that's effectively
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: five percent. That's insane because you're given this guy. By
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: the time it's all said and done, just his basketball
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: salary is going to be more than a billion dollars
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 3: in earnings.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, you can say what matters to me again?
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 9: Did you did you just say the magic billion?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, and it's it's an eventuality for guys like
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: Cooper Flag, for guys like aj Debonsa, for guys like
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson, for guys like Victor wibin Yama. If they
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: play as long as we think they're gonna play, and
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: this salary cap in the NBA keeps going up at
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: the rate that it's been going. These guys with a decade,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: decade and a half, two decades of basketball just from
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: their NBA salaries are gonna be in the billionaires club.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: And that is something that even like John and Carl
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: and Michael Jordan, Charles Barklay and those guys, they never
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: had anything like that, so you could make decisions based
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, never tasted that type of money. And you know,
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 9: they probably think to themselves, boy, hell of a career.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 9: But I'm about thirty years too early, you know, and
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 9: the whole scheme of things. But hey, you know, for
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 9: time and place, they were still well paid for what
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 9: the NBA was. NBA was coming out of heaven. The
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 9: finals played on tape delay, remember after the Carson Show
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 9: or whatever, the Jay Leno Show on on CBS. I mean,
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 9: it's come so far and it is such a worldwide
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 9: product now and with multiple distribution channels of network and
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 9: streaming and cable, my gosh, the influx of cash is crazy.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 9: And the fan bases continue to come and you know
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 9: they're buying jerseys and sodas and beers and hot dogs
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 9: in the whole nine yards. I mean, I think live
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 9: sports will always be that way, you know. Oh see,
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 9: I keep thinking myself, how long can it continue to
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 9: be such a success. But there's something about the unknown
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 9: nightly drives me. I know it drives you on a
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 9: daily basis is what's next? What can this game actually become?
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 9: Look at yesterday or last night yesterday, I mean MESSI
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 9: too late assists and all of a sudden, Argentina's in
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 9: and heartbreak right for England. So that's the beauty of sport,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 9: live sports. You never know the outcome, and I'll be honest,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 9: I'm addicted. That's why I love what I do because
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 9: every night you sit down and put the headset on,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 9: you don't know the outcome. And I think now with
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 9: the Jazz that even plays into it more so because
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 9: with talent growing, young talent makes it even more intriguing
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 9: to see what kind of upset they can pull in
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 9: the NBA and how far they could go. I mean,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 9: this Jazz young team could be a real storyline in
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 9: the NBA this year. I'm just I'm just glad to
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 9: be a part of it.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: Amen to all that.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: Bowler, we got our fingers crossed for a great jazz
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: season coming up.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time. I always appreciate you, sir.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 9: All right, Oh say take care, have a good one.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: That's Craig Bowler, Jack the voice of the Utah Jazz
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: on television broadcasting legend here in our home state. All right,
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: final segment coming. And look we got we got a
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: schedule release today. We haven't had an opportunity to get
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: to it yet, but the Utah Mammoth schedule is. It's
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 3: two one FM. It's a nice day for a wide wedding.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 7: She was listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
• 2:27:12
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• 2:27:16
  Speaker 7: to one FM.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: Utah Mammoth schedule is out eighty four games this.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: Year and in the NFL season instead of eighty two.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: It'll be the Chicago Blackhawks at Utah Mammoth for the
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: home opener on October first.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: That is a Thursday night. Circle it on your calendar.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: Get yourself out there tusks up, baby, that's less than
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: three months away. People. They go right on the road
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: after that East Coast swing, Columbus, New York, New Jersey, Boston, Buffalo,
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: and then it's back home against the Maple Leafs. It's
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 3: gonna be a fun season at the Delta Center with
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: the Utah Mammoth. Hopefully the same true with the Utah Jazz.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: Ryan Smith released some photos of the hanging gondola seating
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: being installed at the Delta Center. Kind Of cool the
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: way that they have totally refurbished, redeveloped, and changed the
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 3: inside of that arena in the last two off seasons.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, can't It's a modern arena without having to
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: rip the old one down and relocate. Very very happy
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: that they didn't end up taking it down to the
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: south end of the valley. Although I'm from Sandy, That's
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: God's country. I love the Burbs just as much as
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: anyone else does. But your team should be in the
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: downtown of your metro, and more.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 4: Than that, oc your team should be where they historically
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 4: are known for being right and like uh. Sarah Todd
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: has talked about this, her being now a former Oakland
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 4: A's fan, she's now very much a vehement Seattle Mariners fane.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we should get on board with that,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: but your point is correct. But she, she's she's talked
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 3: about how the A's leaving for Vegas his and and
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 3: that that horrible owner they have has ruined, has ruined
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: her as A has ruined the A's for her. This moving,
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: you know, farther down in the valley would not probably
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: have been that that dramatic for jazz fans here, but
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: it just would not have felt right it, and I
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: was upset about it at the idea of it. I'm
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: glad they they thought better of it, and that the
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: legislature had made, you know, incentivized the Smith Entertainment Group
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 3: to keep them here and do a renovation instead. The videos,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: the pictures he's sent, I can't wait for what it
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: looks like when it's all done. Oh see, I think
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a very unique, obviously much more modern
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: NBA and NHL arena.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for a tap.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: The Salt Lake Bees moved out, and this is I mean,
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: it's a triple A team, right, So the Salt Lake
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: Bees moved out of downtown into this beautiful new park
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: and to me that as someone who lives near downtown,
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: to me, that was a loss.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: That's one that you can kind of survive. It's a bummer,
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: but it's not the end of the world.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: The Jazz and the Mammoth moving out of downtown would
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: have been hard for people to swallow. It been hard
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 3: for the Weeber and Davis County kind of folks, the
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: individuals who make the trip all the way down from
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: Logan and stuff like that. If nothing else for the
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: population center, I mean, Salt Lake is just more central
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: for everybody up and down the Wahsatch Front. It absolutely is.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 4: It's right there in the middle between Ogden and Provo,
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 4: right But you know that being said, you said it
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 4: would have been really rough for the really rough for
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 4: the Davis County, Weaver County folks. If they had moved
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: closer to the point of the mountain, obviously that would
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 4: have been much better for the Utah County folks. But
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 4: this is right in the middle. It is the capital city.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 4: It is the still the the highest populated city in
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 4: the state. It's the it's the city everyone knows if
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 4: you're not from Utah. That's where they should be so
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 4: I'm glad they continue to be there.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: I we don't when you have an opportunity to talk
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: to athletes from other teams, like visiting NBA teams, visiting
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 3: NHL teams, you don't ask them about like the inconvenience
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: of the convenience of travel for obvious reasons, because there's
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: bigger fish to fry. You're more interested in, you know,
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: tactical things and what happened in the game and reaction stuff.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: But I really would like an opportunity at some point
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: to have a city down with someone or have someone
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: on the show where we have a little bit of
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 3: time and we can get into the weeds like.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: These guys are on the road all the time.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: I do also think it's a big boon for every
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 3: franchise that the arena, which means the hotels that the
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 3: other team stays at, they're close to the airport. Nobody
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 3: wants to not that you're trying to be a convenience
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 3: setup for visiting teams, but nobody wants to fly somewhere
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: and then sit on a bus for an hour. Nobody
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: wants to get off a plane and onto a shuttle
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: for half of the plane ride and We are so
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: ridiculously lucky to have the Salt Lake International Airport right
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: next to downtown but not intrusive upon downtown, not a
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: traffic concern for downtown, Like San Diego has a downtown airport,
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: but it's a nightmare if you're trying to get to
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: the airport when everyone else is trying to get downtown
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: because that traffic crosses over.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: Somehow.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: We have the best setup where airport traffic and downtown
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: traffic don't know.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: They don't like crossover a lot.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we hear our media friends from from out
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 4: of town always sometimes unsolicited oc talk about, hey, congrats
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 4: on your airport. So yeah, it's it's definitely you gotta
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 4: you gotta think that that is something that visiting teams
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 4: and players enjoy as well.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: Uh I proposed nothing. NFL Live is on the television
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 3: And I've never seen Ben Sola's face, the NF ESPN
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: NFL analyst.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: He is a child.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: He's twenty nine years old and he looks like he's
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: like thirteen. They've gone young. ESPN's re reloading their crop
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: of new people they want to keep around for a
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: couple of decades. He's like, how young.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 4: That guy is see Timmy, Timothy Shallome's brother, little brother
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 4: like another guy who looks way younger than the act.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 4: This man looks like hey's two years away from puberty. Yeah,
• 2:34:03
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• 2:34:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big hit. Twelve years old, well ahead
• 2:34:09
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