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Captain America: Brave New World Is Marvel's Best Movie In Years?!?! · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: I feel like before it made sense. Now we're just
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  Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Phase four, they're including well see this, this, this also,
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  Speaker 2: this timeline is all off.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the old timeline. But I guess that
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  Speaker 3: was included.
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  Speaker 4: What indiame?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe just in a bad time right now?
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  Speaker 4: A man no way home? Was the in the Phase four?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what happened? I don't even know anymore?
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  Speaker 5: All right, Hey, what's up y'all? Welcome to another episode
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  Speaker 5: of The Poor All Nerds Show. It's your boy, DJ
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  Speaker 5: Ben I mean aka Bernie Slanders aka Baron Benzimo aka
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  Speaker 5: Queen Quearontino, Tossing Quant and Ninja Charlie Brownish Light Working
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  Speaker 5: got me here in the spaceship tonight, and as always,
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  Speaker 5: I'm joined by.
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  Speaker 2: Tatiana King Dy Grand That's just a Tech also known
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  Speaker 2: as the Little Mermaid, Trash Catch Them Stark, Chocolate Phoenix,
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  Speaker 2: Tatian Hand of the King and Kodak Blackwoods.
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  Speaker 5: And we have a very very special guest tonight. Please
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  Speaker 5: introduce yourself to the audience out there.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Nadia Martinez aka got some geek Girl.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to be on with you, guys. It's been a
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  Speaker 3: while and Like I.
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  Speaker 5: Said before, this is a very special episode because we
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  Speaker 5: are here to review Captain America Brave New World that's
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  Speaker 5: right in theaters this Friday.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember. February fifteenth? Is that fifteenth? Fourteenth? The fourteenth?
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  Speaker 4: Dropping off Valentine's.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting choice, interesting choice the date.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a love you w movie, but it's a
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  Speaker 4: tough date movie right here, You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: This is like tough love right here. It is a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of stuff like yeah, I'm not you know.
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  Speaker 5: What I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think this.
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  Speaker 5: This is not a first date movie. This is an
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  Speaker 5: established relationship. You gotta have an established relationship. Take you
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  Speaker 5: to see this one.
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  Speaker 2: Also to establish everyone of this stands, we are going
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  Speaker 2: to potentially be revealing spoilers, so we are warning you now.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to be saying everything that happens in
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  Speaker 2: the movie, but we will be revealing some things that
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  Speaker 2: we've seen, as all three of us have seen advanced
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  Speaker 2: media screening.
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  Speaker 3: So this is your one and only final warning.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Continue. Yeah, but it's not gonna be much
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  Speaker 4: spoiled in it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, more than you've already seen in the trailers,
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  Speaker 5: Like you already know the big things if you've seen
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  Speaker 5: the trailers, like the red Hole, because in.
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  Speaker 4: This film, that's not a spoiler. Yeah, so I mean
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  Speaker 4: beyond that that pops up that they don't show the trailer,
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  Speaker 4: is that actually Posito is playing Sidewinder. That's not a spoiler. Yes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not ready to go get into much more
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  Speaker 4: than that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, my first thoughts on it overall was I
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  Speaker 5: enjoyed it. I didn't like enjoy it where I was like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god, you know, this is the greatest joint ever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, for a movie out in February for
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  Speaker 5: Valentine's Day, this is a solid you know, Marvel flick.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Nadia, what was your general thoughts? Loved it? I
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  Speaker 4: liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's I could a way to start twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't love it.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like a holy shit, blown out of like
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  Speaker 1: blown out of my seat, like you gotta see this
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  Speaker 1: like tonight. But I still really enjoyed it. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a good film for Sam, Like I think
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  Speaker 1: he he shows us that he's like worthy of the shields.
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  Speaker 1: I just think a lot of my like minor complaints
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  Speaker 1: are more so like Marvel related MCU type stuff we
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  Speaker 1: get into.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I share both of you guys sentiments.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, overall was a solid movie. It wasn't my favorite,
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad. If you know grading it, I think
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  Speaker 2: I graded it be minus C plus kind of right.
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  Speaker 2: Middle of the Road has some strong points, has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of notes from me as well, some things they
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  Speaker 2: could have done without, but overall still the solid film
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  Speaker 2: for most MCU watchers. I would say that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's anything surprising that happens in this film. If
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  Speaker 2: people were looking for something different or out of the
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  Speaker 2: ordinary from the rest of what you've generally seen from Marvel,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna find it here, but you
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  Speaker 2: will find solid screenplay writing.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that sounds very plain and blab.
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  Speaker 4: But that was not very like ooh, solid screenplay. Solid.
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  Speaker 2: You know why because I've even hearing it in how
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  Speaker 2: you guys are explaining it, like you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what's good? Better this middling view of it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I want to give it more than a middling thought.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I thought it was cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was cool.
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  Speaker 5: You know like, okay, I thought, okay, I think the
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  Speaker 5: high points for me was like Nadja said, I think
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  Speaker 5: that Anthony mack you definitely proved himself as capable of
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  Speaker 5: carrying the lead role, of of carrying the shield and
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  Speaker 5: the lead role in the film. I'm not sure my
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  Speaker 5: man who played I knew his name yesterday and now
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember the man who played the falcon.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, Danny Ramirez, Danny, Danny Ramirez. I think him
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  Speaker 4: and Anthony have great chemistry on screen where well almost
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  Speaker 4: spoil that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a certain you know cameo that was like,
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  Speaker 5: that was great. But it was like I was happier
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  Speaker 5: with them, you know, I was happy with them as
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  Speaker 5: a team. I really liked that. I really like seeing
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  Speaker 5: them together rocking. I can see more from Danny my
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  Speaker 5: It's addressed in the movie. But you know, like the
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  Speaker 5: lack of Super Soldier.
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  Speaker 4: That way is just a high point of a low point.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, the lack of Super Soldier film is glaringly any.
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  Speaker 4: There's just so many points, right, why don't you just
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  Speaker 4: shoot them? Nadia, do you have a high point?
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  Speaker 2: While Ben laughs about this, do you have one of
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  Speaker 2: many high points you want to.
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  Speaker 3: Share about them, all right, you thought this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Start to quote the film, Anthony Mackie proves he deserves
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  Speaker 1: the seat at the table, which I think was like
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  Speaker 1: one of the themes that was very important in this film,
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  Speaker 1: especially being like a black man, him becoming Captain America
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  Speaker 1: when you see America and the ship show.
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  Speaker 4: That we are.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a very important theme.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get into what also didn't work for me about
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  Speaker 1: that in a bit later, I guess when we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about like what didn't work for us. But I think overall,
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  Speaker 1: like I think that theme kind of worked for me,
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  Speaker 1: that he proves himself worthy and like we already know
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  Speaker 1: what Bucky's doing. I guess he's doing some other stuff
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  Speaker 1: with another team. And apparently they mentioned like a congressman
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  Speaker 1: or something. So I kind of liked the dynamic between
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  Speaker 1: him and Joaquin. I think they were kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: It was more like student teacher rather than competitive, So
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like that element too.
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  Speaker 4: It was like.
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  Speaker 1: Teaching the next team because they kept hinting we may
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  Speaker 1: get like a new Avengers, well not new Avengers in
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  Speaker 1: this case, a second Avengers, Avengers two point zero. I
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  Speaker 1: described it as like kind of like that dynamic between
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  Speaker 1: him and Joaquin.
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  Speaker 2: They actually waterboarded us with there's another Avengers, Another Avengers.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, guys, calm down. A strength I thought
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  Speaker 2: about this film. I thought the casting characterizations were very strong.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that Mackie, I mean, despite all the
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  Speaker 2: doubts people have and the things people want to say
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  Speaker 2: about him, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, you know, correct or not.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, he does stand tall as as Sam Wilson. He
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  Speaker 2: does stand tall as Sam Wilson going through that real
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  Speaker 2: life struggle of how do I be enough to be
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  Speaker 2: hold the mantle of what Captain America is?
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  Speaker 3: What is Captain America? All this other stuff?
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  Speaker 2: So you do see that played out very strongly with
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  Speaker 2: Anthony's Mackie performance. You can tell that he has a true,
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  Speaker 2: the humanistic side of what Captain America is supposed to be, right,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you then add on the intersections of blackness,
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  Speaker 2: being a black man and then in America and everything
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  Speaker 2: that comes along with it. Obviously y'all mentioned Joaquin. I
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  Speaker 2: thought Joaquin was like the bleeding heart of this film,
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  Speaker 2: and in a great way, like, yes, the connection it's
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  Speaker 2: obvious from the jump Street, the connection between him and Sam,
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  Speaker 2: and then also he is very interesting when like you
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  Speaker 2: ask people in the world like if you could be
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  Speaker 2: a superhero, what would you be and why do you
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  Speaker 2: want to be it? And a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 2: have any real answers, right or it's like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: just want to walk through walls or something, you know,
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  Speaker 2: really corny or really just kind of basic, like for
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  Speaker 2: Danny Ramirez or not just say Joaquin Torres, for that
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  Speaker 2: character to like really discover himself in this film and
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  Speaker 2: discover his purpose and really another like class on you know, with.
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  Speaker 3: Great power comes great responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: This was kind of an offshoot of that.
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  Speaker 2: I will also say, like the rest of the cast,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, Harrison Ford is Harrison Ford.
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  Speaker 4: He's a legend.
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  Speaker 5: Now we can't to say, we can't say obviously, we
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  Speaker 5: got to talk about how good.
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  Speaker 4: We we will we will.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just get through this this fast so we
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  Speaker 2: can get to what y'all gotta say about this. But uh, legendary,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's that's more to it. But I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 2: to stamp it legendary. John Carlo Esposito un like unbelievable, fucking, insane,
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  Speaker 2: lethal as fuck, Carl Lumbley proud triumphant his return, as
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  Speaker 2: they brow, Bradley is really happy to see him get
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  Speaker 2: a lot more screen time. And honestly, just I mentioned characterization,
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  Speaker 2: this was almost like a long episode of The Falcon
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  Speaker 2: and the Winter Soldier mixed with some other pieces. And
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  Speaker 2: and I remember better mean you and I remember reviewing
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  Speaker 2: that series like we actually truly enjoyed that, or we
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  Speaker 2: enjoy with what Malcolm Spelman, who was also one of
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  Speaker 2: the screenplay writers, was trying to.
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  Speaker 4: Bring to the table.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, characterizations casting very very.
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  Speaker 4: Strong, speaking about things that we loved.
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  Speaker 5: I definitely want to talk about Harrison Ford's performance because
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  Speaker 5: I thought he was upset exceptional.
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  Speaker 4: And then it, I mean, down to everything.
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  Speaker 5: And it's funny because all I was thinking about watching
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  Speaker 5: it was the interview where they were like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 5: how did you prepare for being Red Hulk and Hays like.
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  Speaker 4: Doing what I'm doing, you know, and.
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  Speaker 5: Himself and oh my god, I don't know who prepared
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  Speaker 5: or what he was doing, but his hawkout moments are
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  Speaker 5: absolutely hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: When that man was on the sub the pole pause,
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  Speaker 4: he's like he turned back to Shorty like you want
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  Speaker 4: to like you?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's all of the great, like cheating the scene
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  Speaker 2: to me, chewing the chewing that you would expect of
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  Speaker 2: like even like an eighties version of the Hulk like
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  Speaker 2: he does that brings it to twenty twenty five in
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  Speaker 2: a way that just works. Just I think it only
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  Speaker 2: works in this context of this film, because I don't
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it works anywhere else. And then
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  Speaker 2: like that couple with actually for him specifically really good CGI.
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  Speaker 2: Like his conversion from Harrison fo well Thunderbolt Ross, but
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  Speaker 2: his conversion from that to Red Hulk was actually, in
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  Speaker 2: my view, really well done.
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  Speaker 4: He actually looked good as Red Hulk.
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  Speaker 5: No, really dope, like, like you said, the CGI of
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  Speaker 5: Red Hulk when he Red Hulk was.
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  Speaker 1: Fired specifically no, And he was also filmed using motion capture.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, they fucking put all the fucking motion capture
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  Speaker 2: buttons all over every inch of that man's face. And
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: when I say that was his, that was him, like
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  Speaker 2: it didn't. Lots of times when you see people turn
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  Speaker 2: into characters, quote, you can tell that there's like a difference,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a clear line and the divide between
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  Speaker 2: the person and the character.
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  Speaker 4: Like this, you can't feel like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That Staddy's Ross as red Hawk, right, It's just they're
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  Speaker 2: one and the same. It felt it felt clean, like
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  Speaker 2: a clean transition. I can't say that for everything in
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  Speaker 2: the film.
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  Speaker 5: T Im trying to hold it because I like damn,
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  Speaker 5: I like g and Carlos, John.
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  Speaker 4: Carlos, but he don't mind. Man, his sidewinder is off
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  Speaker 4: the chain. I think I liked him more than I
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  Speaker 4: like his sidewinder.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, dude, this is something I didn't like.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you don't beat this, but like
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting very first shout in this dude. It's like
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  Speaker 5: a shot of him from the back and he's got
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  Speaker 5: a little circular symbol on his back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Serpent Society, it.
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  Speaker 4: Says it twice.
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  Speaker 5: It's like it's a Serpent society, sper society, Like, like, why.
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  Speaker 4: The fuck are you wearing?
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  Speaker 2: Why is he identifying himself? Why are you identifying your
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  Speaker 2: or fan? That'stine villain organization.
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  Speaker 3: That well, what was the difference between Hydra, Like they.
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  Speaker 1: And they did not have bad's They wanted to like
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  Speaker 1: on the comic without being comic accurate.
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  Speaker 5: But then they went really goofy instead of like just
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  Speaker 5: being comic accurate and having him wear the silly mask.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, they gave him blue eyes.
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  Speaker 4: They did give when you saw it was obvious context.
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  Speaker 2: When you cross over the military dustrial complex with Marvel,
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  Speaker 2: this is what happens because when you think about it,
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: like you got to identify the arm you gotta identify,
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  Speaker 2: the Navy, you got identify the Air Force, you got
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  Speaker 2: to identify as well. So what I did like him,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like like. I just particularly felt he was
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  Speaker 2: a believable and powerful villain, like he.
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  Speaker 3: John Collo can fucking act his ass offce Like what
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  Speaker 3: else can I say?
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  Speaker 2: He can really do any character you can do, a
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  Speaker 2: soft character, a hard character, a lethal assassin.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever, he can deliver it, and I felt like he
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  Speaker 3: delivered Sidewinder. I liked him. I think he was a
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  Speaker 3: little underutilized.
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  Speaker 1: I would have liked to see a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: from him, because although he wasn't the main antagonist, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of liked him more. What I what I liked,
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  Speaker 1: what I enjoyed with his character though, was that like
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  Speaker 1: he's he's smart, so even if he's facing like a hero,
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  Speaker 1: not to say like Batman mentality, but like thinking ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So I liked that part where like he basically uses
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  Speaker 1: Sam's vulnerability because Sam is still like too nice and
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  Speaker 1: Sam always tries to like diffuse the situation, and he
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  Speaker 1: kind of like used that to his advantage, like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna try and talk me down, so I could
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  Speaker 1: just stab him real quick, Like I feel like he
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  Speaker 1: he already had in mind, like how Sam's gonna react
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: during that fighting. That was one of the more compelling
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  Speaker 1: fight scenes for me between Seynwider and Sam because it
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  Speaker 1: was always like surprising, like you know, he was like surprised, motherfucker,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gon shoot you.
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  Speaker 2: My co he was like jumping, like I was sitting
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  Speaker 2: there as I was sitting there as.
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  Speaker 4: He was, I wanted was doing shit. I literally sat
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  Speaker 4: there a wow yo, oh shit.
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't expect him to kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: come at him like that. So it was truly I
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  Speaker 2: agree with you, Noddy. I would have liked to see him.
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  Speaker 2: I actually would have preferred him more than another villain.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we had to talk about that other villain.
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  Speaker 4: We do have to talk about. I was still talk
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  Speaker 4: about good things.
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  Speaker 5: Oh shit, Okay, I thought the score was really good,
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  Speaker 5: and it was the score when it.
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  Speaker 4: Was Annie up, I was soundtrack.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, some of the movie felt like it was two
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  Speaker 5: different movies. Like like you said, some of it felt
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  Speaker 5: like I was watching an episode of a TV show,
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  Speaker 5: And I mean that in not a good way, honestly,
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  Speaker 5: Like just the shots just looked very static, very like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, okay, talking head, talking head, talking.
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  Speaker 4: Head, and then some of it looked like yo.
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  Speaker 5: And even with the action, some of the fights were
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  Speaker 5: like okay, whatever, and then some of the fights.
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  Speaker 4: Were like yo, this is right, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Like this is lit.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good thing because the fights more more or less,
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  Speaker 2: the fights were interesting, Yes, like.
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  Speaker 5: When Lumbey went off and you know, tried to walk
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  Speaker 5: Parrison forward and that whole sequence in him running and
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  Speaker 5: the cops chasing him, and the music during that scene,
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  Speaker 5: like the intentional or you know, intrinsic score was really fired.
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  Speaker 5: But like then some of it just you know, it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't as much. But like I thought, that ship was ill.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, I like to fight, you know, between the
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  Speaker 5: Hulk and uh, I mean Red HOWK and Falcon I
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  Speaker 5: was dope America. Sorry, sorry, don't.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about that too. I have a comment about what
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  Speaker 4: you just did.
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  Speaker 5: Oh excuse me. You know he is taped, you know, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: it's not a bad thing, but that lack of the
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  Speaker 5: super sold sre might be while I'm still calling him falcon,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm sorry, like if you had the super
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: stol see if I can call you Cathaina Erica. But
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: you know, there was some great It's like some shit
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to spoil because
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: it was just so good for me. But there was
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: some really great symbolism, right, I mean, some really exceptional
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: you know, Kendrick Lamar level symbolism going on in this field.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: One Red Hole casually destroying the Washington Monuments on.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: His that was one of my highlights. That was one
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: of my pure highlights.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: And if we're going there, I'll just will say this
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: and once again, huge spoiler alert before this sentence, you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: shout out to our editor. Put something right here, because
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Red Hole's standing on top of the goddamn White House
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: as it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Burns beneath him. Hyicotic. I mean, I need it on
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: a T shirt like it is amazing.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's just one of those things because you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the movie is a silly I'm sorry when it comes
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: to the politics, it's a silly Marvel movie like it
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: very much has a lot of we gotta do this together,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: you know, And the very first shot you see, the
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: very first thing you see is Hair's a forward standing
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: in front of a together sign.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: That is his campaign promise, I guess or whatever. And
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of that in this film, which I get.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: You know, America needs right now, but we're far past
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: the point of doing it together. We are now under
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: a constitutional crisis and hell knows what else, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: like a coup. Basically a blood is cool right now,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: so you know, shit's going down. So the idea of
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: doing it together.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Is a bullshit. So yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not feeling
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: that one.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I do have one more highlight there. Even though most
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: of the tone of the film is serious, there were
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: some comedic jabs equips here and there that were actually
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: funny and subversive. You actually, you keep joking about but
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that's actually a line that Sam mentioned just about the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: fact that he should have took the fucking Super Soldier series.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You you you physically see that on screen, about the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: implications of not doing it, and then.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: He had response that response to it's like, well, I guess, but.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It's just like seeing the character like work his way
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: through that. They try to market it the other catch,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: trying to market as both the strength and you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: potential downfall, but seeing everyone grapple and trying to negotiate
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: between that point was very interesting and actually very funny
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: throughout the film for me.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: So it made me laugh.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So I count that as a positive thing.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: When Red Hule is pulling your head like a basketball,
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: it is time to take the super.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So give me some compound fee right now.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Like that is the moment dog right there.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I need a screenshot of that, And that's like I
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: should have had a b eight, you know, I should have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Serum he's old in his head like you have another.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's also why they definitely like threw
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in that Joaquin line like you're the one that I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: aspired to be, Like he's yeah, but.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I'm in the hospital.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: They had to connected to the line like twenty minutes
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: prior when they were when he was bucking was what
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Sam was talking to Bucky. It was like ash I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: took that ship and Buck.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: He's like no man, something to aspire to, something to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: aspire to. I said, that's so bullshit.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: You need to take this air on my guy, Like
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: I didn't since we are saying, you know, I guess
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: we are going full you know a spoilers now now
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: that we said that that man's in the movie. I
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: thought that was a great scene. But I also thought
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Bucky had nothing for him. When he was like, yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I should have tood the seerum. There was a pause
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: there there's a bid like and then he was like, nah, man,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: you know people inspired for you. But there was a pause.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: He was just like you're gonna need more vibranium.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: You should have no doubt.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Now you did you have any other like highlights? I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: guess just tie in, like tying into that like Caro
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to aspire to be. I guess I kind of like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that as like a closing kind of like conversation because
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it's like Joaquin is like new in this world and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, God is askedy, but Sam gets his
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: askey and it's kind of like, oh I can I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: can do this too.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: But he's the one.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That's relatable because like not everyone has like super you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: serum soldier serum. So it's like holy ship, I could
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: be I could be an avenger and not have any powers.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You don't got to tell me they hawk Ey doesn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: have any powers, have any powers, and they was avengers.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well okay, hawk did not. Widows had some type
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: you know, something.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Going on talking about from the mc U.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: She even in the red room. She had something going
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: on something.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: What's something? I was superhuman better than whatever.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: These two got.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Life, a life of abuse, a life of abuse, like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: what does she get that wasp.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Like walls like cats the rest of them?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Because he got a life of a like we all
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: don't talk.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Guy, ain't got ship exploding arrows Like.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just like you would ever give stand host last
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: time out and you didn't be like nah, bro, it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: time for the serum. If he's if he doesn't have
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the serum in doomsday, I'm gonna be tight.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Bro, it's over like no, ain't no way, Like.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: He gonna need to add adamantium his wings like.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: We wanted that like wings.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But see, this is the conundrum that they they not
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: have to do. But now they've put themselves here. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: what if they decided out a line a movie or two.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we are going to give him this here,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I'm Sam. Wouldn't that erase all of the aspirational bullshit?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: You now you've nerved him for life.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: He cannot ever get that, or you undermine.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The underlying values and lessons and education of aspiring to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: be the best human in the world, Like.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And couldn't that also be kind of like a nudge
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to Isaiah in a sense, because it's like, this man
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: has been through so much fucking trauma for thirty years
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and was tortured, and like you're his friend, and like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he has like a whole mentored thing. But it's like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you're willingly taking something that was like given to me
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: unwillingly and I was tortured my entire life. Like that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: connection they built, I kind of feel like that could
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: be some kind of tension, like, oh, you you want.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: To take this shit right the ship that I died,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like damn near died for this shit that I was
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: put away incarcerated for for thirty years, And yeah, yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm like, well, I just got palm like a basketball.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: This man is casually destroying the Washington Monument.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And you want me to go, But Ben, this this
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: movie also teaches you can talk people down. You can
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: talk them down through the you can't you don't believe
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you can't.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: He he talked them down.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I mean that's when, like, that's when I say this
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: to the you know, silly Marvel movie in terms of
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: its politics, Like, you know, it's an enjoyable movie in
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: terms of it's like action and all that, and you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: the idea that you know, the black Man is Captain
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: America and all that, that feels great. But when you
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: know the idea that you can talk down a monster,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a raging monster who's taking control of the
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: White House is hilarious.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I guess that brings us to the low lights.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Wait hold up, you shouted out, Bradley, you shout it out.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I saw I mean, I think Carl
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Lumley had okay screen time, you know, yeah, I could
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: have seen more him. But also it was like I
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: could tell they didn't really quite know exactly what to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: do with him besides like throwing him in here and there,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and besides him being one of the catalysts of that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and that's in the that's in the trailers. Him being
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: one of the catalysts of you know, attacking the president.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like okay, it's like he keeps he's a symbol, but
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: he even in his use in the film, it's still
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: very symbolic as opposed to or tangible.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: That makes any sense? What you say, here's your suit back?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Right, about a million dollars?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Well did you have anything else besides the lols? I like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: like I said, I thought someone to ask him, very dope.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: The use of the celestial finally, you know, and where
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: it had been all these years was nice, you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: celestial island.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I thought that was a dope idea.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: And then thank you reveal adamantium being coming out of
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: the celestial is fire.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yep, me you know that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I like that because that's always what I've said about
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Marvel or the MCU in particular, a lot of that
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: because like taking this different concepts than in the comics
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: weren't connected and connecting them in the MCU. So it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: like that way, it doesn't just have a million different things.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: You know, Adiman team, where the fuck does it come from? Oh,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: it's just come from somewhere else, you know, instead of
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: it coming from the celestial, which makes more sense.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: You know, that's dope. So I thought that was really dope.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But it does come from They still saying this comes
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: from him. They're mining the celestial for the automantium.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: But Adaman team is like some naturally occurring element as
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: far as I know, right, I don't know who knows where.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I thought it was from out of space, but okay, I.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Think it does come from out of space. I mean,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I know they.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But that's why I was a pro and a con
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: for me, because it's like, it's the celestial being. This
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: should be some huge, next level type ship and that's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: all they're doing.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Well it's dead now, so you know, it's no better
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: than the moon. It's just a place to mind.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But it was just like, oh, we didn't like the eternals,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we scrapped the whole. Whatever's gonna happen next, So let's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: just use this dead celestials.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: And you know what, they fucking had to because it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: too huge, and they did.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: For fucking like almost ten years just to be like, okay, okay,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: we haven't used for it. So I think it's a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: pro and con. That is definitely a pro and a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: con for me. A prole that they used it because
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I was just like, finally, thank you for.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I have no idea how this gets into Wolverine's
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: bones from here, I.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Do Like they said Japan and America, so Jaman in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: America and you know the whole story of Wolverine Japan,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and so they're gonna throw They're gonna use that through line.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You know, they are like where the X Men been
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: this whole time?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: And then like how old is this man when he
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: gets this stuff put into him?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Who the fuck knows?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Ben?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Which version? Which multiverse version are we gonna get this?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Give us a new logan. That's a whole nother conversation.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: All right, Onto the stuff that I didn't like. There's
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: no easy way to say this. I thought the or whatever,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: it was a waste of time.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just feel like the movie was.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Very chopped up because of I guess various things. But
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: that was something that like, I don't want to say
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I didn't like, but I feel like that there was
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: a better version of this movie. They got buried because
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: of politics and because of other things. Because I like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I really trust Malcolm Spelman and I know as a
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: writer he wouldn't introduce the character Cyber unless he wanted
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: to say something about this.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Did he do that? Because there's three of them that wrote.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: This, but he was the original, you know writer he
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: started off so and as far as I know, she
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: was in it from the jump something. And I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the reshoots when other writers start coming in and then
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: they start taking stuff out because I think what it
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: was is they have something to say about Israel and
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: then you know, ish went down and they're like, oh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: we can't say anything anymore. And so because of that,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: won't want, you know, edit edit, because there's like one thing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Like me and I you were talking about after we
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: saw it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: There's a shot of Shorty where she has on like
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: a supersuit jacket over it's basically.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: The Israel flag colors. But they're trying to hide shit,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like might as well throw member on screen. But okay,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: they couldn't just used any black widow m If my
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: tone doesn't give it away, I could have done without
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the inclusion of Saba at that point, if if it
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: was so chopped up from whatever the original approach was
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that it changed and like and to scrap it all
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the way because the end result was it worth it? Like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it's not clear her purpose at this point besides just
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: an extra throwaway catter.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: She's only built as an ex widdow.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So what there're a diamond, doesn't you're gonna see them
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in the next fucking film with the I'm a dozen
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: widows that we're about.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: To see, you know what I'm saying?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Like, and was it worth a controversy because there's still
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: controversy about her inclusion. There was controversy when it was
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: announced that she was going to be included, and then
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they they were scrambling around like, oh, it's.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Not gonna be who you think or not.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And they even how to be slick and throw a line,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: as she says in the movie about people can change,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: because she was talking about Thunderbolt, but she was talking
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: about herself. I'm like, I see what y'all try to do,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and I don't like that shit. She should not have
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: been in this movie. I don't see the point. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: don't see the point, you know, And and I really
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: don't care. Who got something to say to me about it?
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: What tell me? What if you erase her from the
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: movie right now? What changed?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: What did she contribute to the film or the characters
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: or the progress of the plot.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: He could have had any right hands.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Did her character and forget what you personally feel, did
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: her character do anything to advance the plot?
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Crickets shout out the fantastic Frankie. She was at our
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: screening as well, and she also said this that the
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Black Women assistant as well, could have been a Dora
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: in the strise and a much better use of our
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: time than you know, Cyber because she also vanishes from
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: the film basically after my man holds out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: And then you know that was the end of her.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And you talk about Leila the Yeah, I forgot her
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: name because Laylah Taylor. Are you talking about the CIA agent,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: our secret service agent?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: The black woman?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You know, her inclusion irritated me a bit just because
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of I don't know what they were trying to do there,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like a character trying to It
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: gives me pause because it's kind of like you're trying
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to draw from real life, like black women trying to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: be the balance point. Like you know how early in
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the movie, Sam is talking about, Oh, I got somebody
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on the inside, and I'm like, the other black person. Great,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: so it's the black woman, right, and then the black
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: woman's like the ed secret service agent for the President,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, and you can tell she's not
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: she's trying to excuse she's not with the bullshit, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: she's also she's trying to excuse him.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: She's trying to play that line.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And I guess that may have been one of the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: things they were trying to negotiate from a story perspective.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm also just like, but you also didn't give
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: her enough. She was just that person that was always
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: on doing this balancing act, Like if you are going
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to make her feel purposeful, give me more than that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And I like your idea that I did you know
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that you mentioned you and Frankie talked about like if
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: she was a door in disguise, that would have made
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: way more sense. They talked about wakand the fifty Times
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: might as well have been Like, I just it was
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: interesting that there seemed more obvious connections to be made
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: versus what ended.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Up on screen.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: M even his wings being from you know what, barb
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: ranium in them, and after he starts getting you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: poem like a basketball while you know, they show up
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: like they show up for Bucky when his arm goes bad.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: You know, they in the room immediately, but.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: This we'll kind of this show up because remember that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: also like a call back to Black Panthers armor his suit.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Like when I say what kind of showed up? I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: mean in spirit, right, the spirit, but like once.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: He starts getting served, you know, just kind of saves.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: You, Ben, Do they not come when you're getting served?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: When you watch alone with the ancestors come and swoop
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you up to help you?
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Ain't no answers to come through though, That's what I'm saying.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: At the very end, Bent, I mean, the ancestors of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the of the of the Java, of the Conon Plans
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: came through with the power, the.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Power of the Black Panther. You know what. That's the funny.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: This man does do a lot of talking, like to
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: solve his problems, like because he don't have.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Super soldier serum, the fuck else he gonna so I'm saying.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He always tries to defuse the situation by talking first.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: And it said, no, we got it their hands.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: We got that and the spirit of the Black Panther.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That's what he got to save.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Steve Rogers was about them hands and them feats and
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: everything else, and yeah, not so much here.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: What y'all feel about Sam Stearns. Samuel Stearns, all right,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I just realized what I thought he was. He reminded
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: me of continue.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, Huge Holt and Leader fan here, you know, like Huge,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: going back to the comics everything Leader form of my favorite.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Villains, Tim Blake Nelson.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Like Tim Blake Nelson as an actor. I like him
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: as an actor. H During the press conference, he said
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: that he needed the gross and after to play this
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: version of the Leader. I was surprised by that statement
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: when he said that I thought he was great in
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: the first one.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: He was giving Engstrom Levy to me this this I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: know that, I know that I was trying to remember
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: he was. He was giving more Engstrom than the.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Leader for me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: And the problem that the version that they attempted to
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: do is from the comics and it predates Ainstrom, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: that there is a Leader version where he's ring with
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: the brain and Ainstream comes well after that. But because
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Ainstrom beat him the screen, people around the world are
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: gonna be like, oh, yeah, he's doing astrom lev And
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: it also looked like the Mushroom ship from Oh.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: From the Last of Us. You look like you had
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the mushroom yeah, and just.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: His like there went like he had the king problem
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: right of like being a villain and they're trying to
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: make him badass and he has.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: These niggas and he just walks out.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: He has some type of sonic boom being weapon that
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: he is you know, using very effectively on very effectively,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Like he got them and then he just turns it off.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: It's like, all right, I'll let my goons beat you up.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: And not one of his goons.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Because that was part of his plan. Remember, he wanted
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: to get away at that time to do the next
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: thing for.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: The like none of his goons had a gun.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Plot armor and that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: That's but see, that's what I'm talking about, Like you
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: cannot put your hero in a situation where it's just
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: ludicrous that he gets out of me, you know, because
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: it doesn't make him seem heroic anymore.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: It's made him seem like, Okay, come on, man, you.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Think that was Ludacris that he turned it off. He
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: didn't want to kill Sam right then and there he wasn't.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: That wasn't the time he wanted to kill him.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Why not? No, No, that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: You think these guys are going to delay us are
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: gonna stop me, and he's like, no, they'll just delay you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: You know, Like, but why wouldn't he want him stop
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: because he would have stopped.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Why does the evil Professor gives this ten minute long
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: speech before he presses the button to blow up the planet.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: See, that's a.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Bad movie when that happens, Like, that's you know, that's
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: nineteen fifties.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: You know screame writing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: You know, watch Me came out in nineteen eighty nine
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: and the Watchman, my man says, you think I'm gonna
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: sit here and tell you my plan like a bad
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: serial villain. I did it forty five minutes ago. You
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: know that was nineteen eighty nine. You can't do that
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: after Watchmen comes out. You can't have a dude give
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: a speech and then the hero stops him. That's silly.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. My man had the sonic boom on him.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: All all you have to do is pull out the
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: gap blow or just turned the side of boom up
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: like he did on the other man's listen.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I think he was practical effects, but it didn't look Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it was practical, it didn't look good.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: It wasn't that shit on the sad was not cgi
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: that was real. It just you know, it didn't makeup,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: and yeah it was makeup, but.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: No, I think amstrong leavy, like you said, was more menacing,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Like I just think they did this to me. Was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: very like ugly dude didn't green makeup.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probabilities, like if they switched it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: It was somehow Sidewinder wasn't for all of this, I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: would have been shipped.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I would have been scared. I'd have been like, oh,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: something something.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: He's going to kill it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I believe Sidewinder will kill you the moment he can.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And maybe that calls for a short movie, but I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: know he will. I know he will.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: He's tried.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: He literally tried in our face. He tried.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: We won.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: That man shot up Sam's car and then threw the
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: grenade and like.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: That and then loaded up another clip to shoot some more. Yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: like that that was what I like. All of that
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: didn't murder you somehow, And the only thing.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He suffers from is hubris because he was just like, oh,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: target down, I'm about to go check like.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Yet, and also his like ruthlessness and blowing them cops away,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: like you could have taken one second to get saying
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: instead of the cops, but.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: It was funny to me. It's just it's just.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying, you can't do that, like
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: and you know Thano's isn't like pulling punches, you know
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: in his films.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: You know that's that's fannels.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that comes back down to your original point,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: which is silly Marvel stories, because it's like you you
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: can't they can't have a Fannals level person that had
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: maybe a fantastic forble see that where it's just like
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: it's nothing but annihilation, because that leaves no room.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: For this nobody.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying, it's like it doesn't matter, Like Sidewinder
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: wasn't pulling his punches, but somehow the leader, you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: Sam Stearns, the leader. You know, it's like, now I'll
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: just walk out the room and let these dudes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to find a defense here. He
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: uses his brain, not his bronze.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: He doesn't well probability of intellectual abilities.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Intellectual probabilities. You never thought the probability of getting the
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: ass beating?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, like why.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Not just shoot them? He had them right there.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I thought he was a weird character. I'm sorry, Sam,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm like, okay, guys, get off the screen.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: That's the thing is I love the Leader. I love
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Sam Stearn's man. Yeah missed.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, you guys touched on something that I had lots
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: of notes on the CGI. I did not like the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: way it looked for Falcon slash Captain America's wings. And
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I'm very purposely saying Captain's falcons slash slash Captain America
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: because both of them. And this is not a disrespect
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to what they're trying to achieve. What what what Sam Wilson,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: this versus Sam Wilson is trying to achieve by picking
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: on that mantle.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: This is not a disrespect.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: This is just in terms of how it is executed
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: on screen. I still feel like it's more Falcon than
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: anything else. I'm not feeling. And this has nothing to
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: do with with with Chris Evans and none of that,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: white people, none of that, none of that. I just
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I don't see I see Falcon more than anything. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: see Falcon in red, white and blue m That's the point.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And again, personal just a personal thing.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yes he has a shield, yes he has all the traps,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: but I don't and maybe that's because Sam, as the character,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't it's still grappling with believing that he is Captain America.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Because he's still struggling. I'm still struggling. I'm just like
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a I just kind of see a souped up falcon
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and now you got a sidekick.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: And I think that's I think that's not good enough,
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: because we're past the point where he should be struggling.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: He like, you know the series with him struggling.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: This should be they showed him, they show him mentally struggling,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I should say, but.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: That's because that's a problem with the Marvel method of
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: making these things is like they have to act like
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: you have never seen the series, so they still to
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: have him go through that same struggle again that he
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: went through in the series, because they can't guarantee that
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: you've seen the series, so they had to make him
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: like struggle with it at least a little bit.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: You know, in a series he's accepted it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, by the end of it, he's accepted it. He
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: is fully on I'm Captain America. I don't need to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: see him. I don't need any of this. This is
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: who I am. And now he goes through the same
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: you know journey again in the film. It's like the
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: same problem with Strala Witch where she went through her
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: same journey again in that movie, because they'd act like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: you know, you've never seen Wanda vision. You know, it
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: was a you know, different journey and she had you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: but what's yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was And that was kind of a tangent
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: of what my original point was, which was I didn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: like the way the cg I looked on his wings
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: like it looked disjointed to me.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: It didn't look like like.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: The live acts like it literally looked here's some computer
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: jenermal imagery behind a real life person.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Like it didn't look mechanical.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: It looked like a digital representation of what his wings
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: It didn't think, I feel she's going to be mad
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: now that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Did you have another comment?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was gonna.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Say about the third act, like it looked like like
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: even in the especially in the cherry Blossom, I'm like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you can't find a freaking cherry blossom.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Like the whole background looks looked like a green screen.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It did.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: It bothered me. It was like they were just placed there.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, you can't find a cherry bossom.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: There was green screen, like when when they like when
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: they didn't need to be green screen, they could find
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: a real room, like you know, it was like there was.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: A real room.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will say that that some of the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: graphics effects I don't know, well, not the effects. The
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: effects were fine. It was the graphics sometimes that disappointed
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: me a bit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, yeah, we were saying for me, the biggest,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: biggest downfall was that this was not shot in Imax.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So it was pretty upsetting that like a lot of
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: look like clean and did.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: You guys see the Imax because yes we did.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it wasn't shot in an Imax, but they
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: showed down on the Imax screen, so all the mistakes
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: were even larger.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crisp.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And clean, like it was not shot in Imax.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: And like I said, like you're like you said, it
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: looked like some of them was shot like for TV
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: more so because it just.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one scene where Falcon Junior both you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: like he's like the first time you see him like
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: flying around kicking ass oh and he's like trying to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: be cute. He fought he kiss down to the ground
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and the way, like he stumbles down to the ground,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: like you see when like the strings.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Take over from where the computer ended up. But you
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: could see the wobblys, you know, that wobble wobble that
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: happens when you're trying to switch between digital to practical.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's been over twenty years, Marvel, Like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you can't be doing it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, I was supposed to see that line.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I see the lace.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I'm supposed to that lace.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I don't like. Is it that they're losing their touch?
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Is it that they're rushing too many? I don't think
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: it's losing touch.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Perhaps rushing perhaps, Yeah, But then again, wasn't this movie
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: delayed because of reridesing this and this and that, and so.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take I know I'm gonna get heat for this,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: but like I I'm a man of steel fan, but
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that ship looks better than most of them has put
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: out and this ship is over ten years ago.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get no heat for that. I'm with you, y,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: like it's so beautiful.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult for them to do this
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: when this is supposed to be like fucking Captain America.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I think it might be.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Like every time I see errors like that this late
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: in the process, I'm just wanting to think it has
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: to because they was rushing. It has to be because
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: they didn't give the animators enough time, or maybe they
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: were cutting corners. It's not that they don't have to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: know how they clearly do. You've seen it. It's this
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: has to be some other traphical reason, hopefully then, Like.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Some of it was break like when his head is
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: damn poem, like that shit was amazing.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: The Hulk was the shining gem, the Red Hulk like
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: that was you could tell they spent all day and night,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: forty years and forty nights, forty days before nights rather
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: on Red Hulk to make sure he was perfect, no problems.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Then everything else was kind of like.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Oh, you guys are a lack for words right now.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about the end.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Predit see, Okay, this feels like Marvel doesn't know where
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: they're going anymore, like in the worst way.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Like remember when it used to mean something.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: But and I've said this before, like Marvel never had
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: a real plan. That's thee It was a lot of
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: luck and magic that allowed you know, end game and
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: everything to work out where it seemed.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Like all this really building towards this, because it really wasn't.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: It was always just like you know, a movie, and
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: then there'd be some random at the credit scene and
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: halftime they were cute, and halftime they made sense, and
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: halftime they had arec con that credit scene later on
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: because it didn't made sense with what they were doing anyway.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: So but this was just like, yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna say what happened to it, because
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: I don't, you know, we spoiled enough. But it was
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: like I was, y'all, y'all can watch the shit on YouTube, man,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Like I'm talking about the end credit.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Scene, you know the movie.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no mid credits scenes. It's only an
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: end credit scene. That's another thing they which is also
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: slightly departure, like sometimes.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: They mix it up. But also I thought, on the.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Last few, maybe eight years or so, they've been doing both,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: whether they were worth it or not. And now like
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: everyone sat there and when nothing happened mad credits, they
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: were like the whole audience was like at my theater,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and then at the end it happened, and then everyone
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: stood up, like one guy actually said why the funk
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: would they keep us here for that?
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: And then like.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: So I'm like, well he was upset, damn. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: it just it felt like, oh.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: That was that was really I don't want to say depressing,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: but good thing is I'm very hyper as afore. You know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: so I don't know, well, yeah, this may be less hype.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: How it's not even like in the same universe technically
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the same multiverse version.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It just it was like Fantastic four
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: for me. That's with that, buddy, all right, well, yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: you're right, you're right.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna trust that writer and director to do their
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: own thing and not have Like I said, I feel
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: like the biggest problem in this movie is that it
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: got hampered by political something, you know, with politics. I
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: think that's that's one of the big problems for is
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: it definitely got chopped up, and I feel like there
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: was things they were trying to say that they couldn't
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: say in the end because you know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Naw, I think most of my issues tied back to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Falcon and Winter Soldier. Like, one of my biggest complaints
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: about Marvel in general is they're scared to show blood
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: now and it really pisses me off because I feel
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: like this was like the PG version of Falcon and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Winter Soldier, and that shit was gritty, that shit was real,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: like there were not only like serious like subject matter
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like Isaiah's story. We also didn't get any mentioned of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier. We didn't get any mention of his grandson.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But I feel like they missed a lot of opportunities
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and I want gritty darkness back. I want more feeling,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: more emotion and blood because they're superheroes. There's blood, She's
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, people are gonna die, Like I feel like
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Falcon and Winter Soldier felt totally more connected to Winter
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Soldier and like the earlier Cat movies where Marvel was
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: like taking more chances. Now I feel like they're playing
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it too safe.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Everything is like PG.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: There was no mention of Sharon Carter, the Flaxmasters, Baron's EMO,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: so it also.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Felt like they were relying on felt like in the
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Winter Soldier.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: But at the same time they completely forgot about it
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and it was just the Hulk sequel, like they kind
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: of like missed some opportunity like tying in more for Sam.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Essentially, what did y'all.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Think about that, that decision to tie it, to combine
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Captain Falcoony Win The Soldier and then the old Hulk
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: movies and put them together.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: That's essentially what they did. Yeah, they threw a lip
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: tyler just.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: You know, for yeah, just for face ships and giggles.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: But how did you feel about that?
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this movie relies on you having seen that whole
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: movie for a lot of it to make sense, you
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: have got to have seen a whole movie that has
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: not been referenced or even seen by a lot of people.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, the shit came out fifteen years ago.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: And then but then, like you said, they don't want
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: to reference a series they came out two years ago,
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: which was his series.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Like, it's so weird. Two years ago wasn't long about that?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: It's longer.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty nineteen, right, goddamn?
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know time flies, Yeah, covid U.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, four four years you damn twenty nineteen, six
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: years ago now, goddamn.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It doesn't belay your point though.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Your point is, yeah, No, My point is like now
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: in those six years they have in well now four years,
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: they have not addressed like you said the power broker.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: They've not addressed his grandson should have shown up with
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: my man gets thrown in jail. Like that seems like
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: a time, you know, your grandson shows up to check
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: on you, and none of that comes up in this film,
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: so it doesn't really Yeah, that makes that That is
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: a choice that really made sense, and that was my point.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: That's pretty much one of the last thing that I
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: have to say. It's like, I remember when they first
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: introduced the idea of going from movies to TV and
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: all this stuff, and I was like, Okay, it's all
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: give me on Disney Plus. So now they don't have
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: the excuses that they had when the Agency shield was out,
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: when none of that connected at all, And then we're
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: right back at that now, and that seems so sad
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: because the chance and the possibilities they had to do
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: something really ill was there and they haven't.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Up to this point.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, none of the shows have mattered other than you
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: you might get a little more context, like let's say,
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: on the Miss Marvels, you'll like I told people, if
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: you watch the Miss Marvels show, you'll like the family more.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: But beyond that, you won't. You know, there's nothing to
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: know about it, Like when you watch the Marvels. If
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: you watched Falcon of Winter Soldier and then come and
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: to watch this film, you'll more. But if you didn't,
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Know if that's a good for a curse. It's like
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: they're trying to peace to gods at the same time.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You know, people who want to watch the shows and
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: people who don't want to watch the shows. And I
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: don't know if I can't do that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: But then why, like you said, why would you reference
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: a fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Year old old movie multiple times? I mean, now, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: mean major through lines.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: It's a sequel, weird the.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Fifteen year old movie.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, listen, you know that was a choice.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: It's a choice.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I will say, lots of choices, lots of notes I
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: had about this movie. But still despite those notes and choices,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I still think it was a decent film. I still
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: think like someone said, yo is on the board and
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: then movie theater shot can watch, I'd be like, yeah,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: because it had And also at the end of the day,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: it does still have major implications. Y'all talk, y'all touched
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: on it already. Again, I guess mad spoilery review. We're
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: gonna have to do a separate Nonswell review at this point.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: But the Adamantium, the uh, the whole celestial thing, like
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the the whole connection with the raft and where that's going,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, the unnecessary end credit, which was just
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: talking about more than about what's already happening in the MCU.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Those are major still at the end of the day,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: still major foundational points because because where we are right now, yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: where we are is at the end of phase five,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: because then there's after the Thunderbolts then Phase six begins,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I believe it begins. But uh, Fantasy four is in
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: phase six, so like this is yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: This is like the tail end of Thunderbolts is supposed
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: to be like the Avengers of this.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in a so so in terms of holding
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: would they say holding space what they said for that
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: other movie in terms.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Of holding space in FA Fase five, this old space.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: But it's also a foundational point for the next part
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: of the mc U journey. So I said, think it's
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: an important watch. I don't think you're gonna get every
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: single thing that you may want out of a Marvel movie.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: By far, I think you maybe disappointed, but I still
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: think it's a solid film.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Five went down bad?
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Why do you?
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Because four is in game? Right, Like, that's that's phase four, Right,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: I've lost track. I don't know why they're still doing this.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: But you know, like I said that after phase.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: One, they got to keep track of it somehow, right.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Why they're just movies. They don't need to do that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: You know, people already know they connect.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: It, like I feel like before it made sense. Now
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: we're just they don't know what they're doing.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Phase four they're including well see this this this also,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: this timeline is all off. I'm looking at the old timeline,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: but I guess that was included.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: What ind game? Maybe? Yeah, that's four? Yeah, and then
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: phase five is where we're at now after endgame?
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Okay that games you so long ago?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that was like the end of three. Yeah,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I've been a lot of like mediocre.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That makes more sense.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: And that's the four and five for that bad But
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: there was no adventures movie after in.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Game just in a bad time right now?
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Man, no way home was in the phase four? Is
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: that what happened? I don't even know anymore? All right,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: let's wrap this up.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Point is we're appy end.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're into a new era.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: We're trying to enter into a new era of Marvel.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And we're trying to enter into a new era of Marvel. Okay,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: any just wrap up points you wanted to make Nadya
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: just it's fun. I Like I said, I like Sam
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and Joaquin.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, he proves to be like a trustworthy, like sidekick partner,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and he has a lot to learn, but they have
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a really fun dynamic and I like to see more
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: of them in the future. Uh, the fight scenes were fun,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it's a worthy watch. Like I said,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I enjoy seeing Maki on screen. It's like a seven
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, I would probably rate it a seven out of
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: ten to seven.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah out of ten, it's definitely a seven.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seven point five. We talked about all the good things.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I really enjoyed the Red Hulk. I just would have
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: liked to see the Red Hulk because I really enjoyed
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: seeing him bust Maggie's ass, Like I would have liked
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: to see him being a you know, whoop on a
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: few more people, somebody tougher maybe, you know, so you
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: could have really just you know, hammered the living life
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: out of them.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: But you know it was cool enough for what it was.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just to tag on that real quick.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: What I did like with Red Hulk is that because
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I've hated how Marvel has handled the Hulk lately. He's
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: like terrible lately, like absolutely terrible. He's a jobber, he
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: has no no, he's nothing, he's he's a happy guy
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: in the corner like he's no. So I liked seeing
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: like an actual Hulk, like messing it up.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like Professor Hope more than most people. And yeah,
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know because that the one thing I have
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: to just doesn't disagree with, Like you, I get it,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: but like when men are like oh you know, and
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: it's like that turns into that whole fanboy weak ship,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: So but you know, I feel you.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: I like seeing the whole mess shit up, and I like,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: you know him, like I say, him casually destroying you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: classic mind monuments.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, historic buildings, historic buildings left, the White House is wipe,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: we just left the right and slapping his ship out
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: of America, you know.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Ah that was great.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, oh that that that's the last point
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I keep. I think this is my my long term
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: complaint about Marvel picking and choosing when you want to
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: show power levels and when you don't want to show
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: power levels, and not being consistent with that. How does
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: both Falcon Junior and Captain America have trouble with five
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: armed guards in a room, but Cyber's little ass could
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: run through a hallway of ten no problem handling them
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: on her own.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: So ah, she was like a troll. We're talking about that.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: She was like two feet.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Two feet bruh.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And this is not this is not exclusive to this film.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: This is just a Marvel thing. And again it's plot armor,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I get it, whatever, but it's like annoying many many
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: times where it's like, guys, is the person nerved or
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: not if they op or not? Like I don't understand
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: how they're op one moment and then they can't take
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: a punch the next, So.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't like Caukay.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: All right, wow, Nadia, let the people know where they
• 59:38
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• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find me at gotam geek girl on YouTube, Instagram,
• 59:46
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• 59:49
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• 59:52
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• 59:55
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