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101 Todd Neiss Exposes the Ultrasound Phenomenon Bigfoot Researchers Are Afraid to Discuss! · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the IA Jupiter podcast. This week we
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  Speaker 1: had on Todd Niece. He had an interesting experience at
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  Speaker 1: a big foot encounter back in ninety three when he
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  Speaker 1: was working for the Army Corps of Engineers I think
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  Speaker 1: it was, and they were doing some you know, some
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  Speaker 1: field training exercises there in Oregon, and when he came
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  Speaker 1: back to one of the areas in which I blew
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  Speaker 1: up some C four, he's seen three dark figures standing
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the pit and ever since that
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  Speaker 1: moment he knew his life had been changed. He has
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  Speaker 1: you know, been looking into this phenomenon, doing his own
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  Speaker 1: research for thirty some ideas and then breaks down some
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  Speaker 1: of the things he thinks might be some of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the weirdness that comes with sasquatch like you know,
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  Speaker 1: ultrasound and disappearing in portals and things like that, and
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  Speaker 1: given the scientific view up on those. So if you
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  Speaker 1: And I really hope you guys enjoyed this episode with
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  Speaker 1: hot niece. Good evening, Good evening. How are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just I've been busy working like always
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  Speaker 1: go about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, keeping busy for sure. It's been quite a year
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  Speaker 2: for me. But yeah, yeah, that's uh, it's good to
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  Speaker 2: be here.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting you have yourself. One of those folded flags,
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  Speaker 1: was was your with somebody in your family in the military?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty one gun salute the whole?
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, well, aside from my grandfather and my father
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  Speaker 2: and myself, I actually retired after a little over twenty
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  Speaker 2: years of service in the US Army, So yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was actually that one you see behind me is my
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  Speaker 2: my retirement flag that was flown over the US capital.
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  Speaker 1: So what did you make it? The seven eight? Master sergeant?
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  Speaker 2: Actually staff sergeant is where I got.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I made it the e four after four years.
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  Speaker 1: But I used to do funeral details with the twenty
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  Speaker 1: one gun salute and the folding of the flags. I
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  Speaker 1: did that for three months throughout the whole state of
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  Speaker 1: Kansas and oh my god, Kansas and Nebraska back in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand thousand and one. Yeah, so I've done it.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, cool, I haven't seen one
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  Speaker 1: of them in a while because I had to ooh.
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  Speaker 1: We used to practice fan.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're on then guard.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I've actually had my gloves stuck in
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  Speaker 1: the h and the charging handle trying to do it,
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  Speaker 1: and I had to still just kind of hold it
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  Speaker 1: with my fingers stuck in there. But you know you
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  Speaker 1: have toll.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I'm there. Thank you you.
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  Speaker 1: Too, buddy. We did it, man, we did it. We
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  Speaker 1: you know, freedom of speech, you know, freedom of arms,
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  Speaker 1: all these things. I'm all. I'm all for all of that, man,
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I've done my time. I enlisted in Lord.
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  Speaker 1: But was it ninety eight? Yeah? Ninety eight? No, ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: I listed in ninety seven and want to the military.
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  Speaker 1: Waited for a year after high school that I went
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  Speaker 1: right into the military of August after my summer vacation,
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  Speaker 1: and then four years went to Kosovo. UH was stationed
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  Speaker 1: in Germany for a minute, and went to California September eleventh.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually at NTC and ended up in Fort Riley,
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  Speaker 1: Kansas there at the end. But yeah, dude, it was
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  Speaker 1: I did what I had to do, and so did you,
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  Speaker 1: and so did many other Americans supporting the concept and
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  Speaker 1: the idea of liberty and the Constitution against all enemies
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  Speaker 1: Ford and domestic right Todd, Correct, Yes, sir, that's other
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  Speaker 1: than your military experience. Man, tell me a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about yourself, and you know, if you're promoting anything today,
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  Speaker 1: go yeah and do that as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, mainly
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Oregon. Spent really most of my
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  Speaker 2: life there up until just recently I took I made
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  Speaker 2: a decision to move to the Ozark Mountains in Arkansas,
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  Speaker 2: and so I've purchased a twelve acre ranch up here.
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  Speaker 2: We're way up high. We're one of the highest peaks
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  Speaker 2: up here, I can see for fifty miles inlmost every direction.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. It's a I'll tell you what, it
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  Speaker 2: was quite a culture shock, to be sure, as you
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  Speaker 2: can imagine. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to figure out the
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  Speaker 2: language still. I thank god I married a translator, so
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  Speaker 2: uh get through it. But yeah, it's like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: finally get down the hole, y'all. Next thing I know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's all y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Like so bull Shoals Mountain View area, I imagine, because
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  Speaker 1: that's where I was looking when I wanted to move
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  Speaker 1: back from Germany.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm actually south of there. I'm about I'm about
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  Speaker 2: an hour a little over an hour from bull Shoals,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm down toward well, if you know where Harrison is,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just south of there. The closest town is Jasper
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  Speaker 2: and it's five miles away, so I'm not off the grid,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm like right in the end of it. So
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  Speaker 2: but no, I really like it. I enjoy it up here.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's peaceful and uh. I retired from the from
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  Speaker 2: the army about six and a half years ago, thought
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get this little ranch and kick back,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what, brother, I've been busier retired
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  Speaker 2: than I ever was working. So but I enjoy it
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  Speaker 2: because I do. I'm doing what I love doing. And
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  Speaker 2: that's that's talking about my favorite subject, which is was Bigfoot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, I all start for you, man, how
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  Speaker 1: did that all start for you? When did you get
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  Speaker 1: interested in it? And where did it begin and things
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  Speaker 1: of that nature.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had, I had kind of put that whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't live in the Pacific Northwest without
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  Speaker 2: hearing about Bigfoot or Sasquatch. You know, it's part of
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  Speaker 2: the vernacular really, and you know, technically that area of
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest is kind of ground zero. So yeah
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  Speaker 2: about it. But I had, you know, I hunt Fish
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  Speaker 2: Mountain climb, spent a lot of time out in the outdoors,
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  Speaker 2: and I had never seen anything to convince me that
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  Speaker 2: there was anything more to this than just an urban
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  Speaker 2: legend or a campfire tale. And so I was flat
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  Speaker 2: out non believer, to be honest with you. However, in
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  Speaker 2: April of nineteen ninety three, actually April third of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety three, I was involved. My unit was I was
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  Speaker 2: part of the twelve forty ninth Combat Engineers and as
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  Speaker 2: you probably know combat engineers, we do. We use a
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  Speaker 2: lot of explosives, and so on this particular day, we
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  Speaker 2: were in the Oregon Coast Range, about ten miles from
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific, but up in the Oregon Coast Range where
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  Speaker 2: we had access to some private timberland. And on this
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  Speaker 2: land we had access to three large gravel quarries, which
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  Speaker 2: were ideal for what we were doing because we were
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  Speaker 2: using upwards of two to three hundred pounds of explosives
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  Speaker 2: in each of these missions that we did. So there
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  Speaker 2: were three quarries. We had three missions. Each had a
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  Speaker 2: different you know, training scenario. The first one was cutting
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  Speaker 2: charges where we had cut steel ibeam with C four
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  Speaker 2: plastic explosives. Second one was a mock minefield where we
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  Speaker 2: had to you know, breach a lane through that. And
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  Speaker 2: the third and final one was a cratering charge. So
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  Speaker 2: we had detonated the first two charges moved on to
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  Speaker 2: the third site. We had about two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: pounds of ammonium nitrate that we'd been soaking in diesel
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  Speaker 2: fuel for a few hours, so we put our blasting
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  Speaker 2: caps in there in our in our deck cord infuse
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  Speaker 2: igniter and we initiated the the fuses and then standard procedure,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting your vehicles and get the hell out of there, right,
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  Speaker 2: So we we did that. There were five vehicles and
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  Speaker 2: all two Humbies up front, deuce and a half or
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  Speaker 2: two and a half ton truck for the uninitiated, and
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  Speaker 2: then a couple couple humpies bringing up the rear, including
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  Speaker 2: the commander. I was a passenger in that second Humby,
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  Speaker 2: and as such I was free to, you know, not
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  Speaker 2: have to focus on driving the vehicle. I was actually
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  Speaker 2: sitting behind the driver. And it was actually a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: day in April in the Oregon coast range. It's very
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  Speaker 2: rare to get a nice beautiful day. But it was
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  Speaker 2: bright blue sky and this we're talking about just to
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  Speaker 2: set the scene. About three o'clock in the afternoon by
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  Speaker 2: this time, but not a cloud in the sky. So
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  Speaker 2: very nice, bright blue day. So we are heading off
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  Speaker 2: to get to a safety area where we had wait
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  Speaker 2: for the explosion and then go back and check our work.
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  Speaker 2: So in this particular setting, again sitting behind the driver,
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  Speaker 2: I had the window down. Now this is the Saddle
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  Speaker 2: Mountain hunting unit, and it's where I had hunted for
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  Speaker 2: deer and elt for years, and so it was natural
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  Speaker 2: for me just to be looking around the countryside for wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: And I got a little more than I bargained for
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  Speaker 2: because we entered into this long, sweeping right hand turn,
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  Speaker 2: and as we did the second blast site, the one
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  Speaker 2: we had detonated maybe an hour or so before that,
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  Speaker 2: it came into full view and what struck me were
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  Speaker 2: these three very dark figures standing right out in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the gravel quarry down the hill from me.
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  Speaker 2: And my initial thought was that, oh my, you know,
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  Speaker 2: somehow some civilians have gotten around our security parameter, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously we had security set up just due
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  Speaker 2: to the safety right But it took me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so I've thought, hell, you know, that's not good. But
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  Speaker 2: it took me about two seconds to realize that what
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at when I was staring at these
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  Speaker 2: three individuals were not human by any means. By that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, they're standing right out in
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  Speaker 2: the open. If there were trees behind them, I probably
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  Speaker 2: never seen them. But they're in the quarry itself, and
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  Speaker 2: the quarries made up of basalt, and that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a light concrete gray. So these black very dark figures
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  Speaker 2: juxtaposed with that backdrop of this light gray stone really
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  Speaker 2: made them stand out. We made a pop. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the contrast between the two was very, very clear, and
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  Speaker 2: it gave me enough of a view to realize that well,
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  Speaker 2: for one thing, Uh, these arms, these the arms on
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  Speaker 2: all three of these individuals went all the way reached
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  Speaker 2: all the way down to their knees. And there's no
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  Speaker 2: question they were watching us. They were standing three abreast
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  Speaker 2: looking in our direction. Now, the one in the middle
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  Speaker 2: was taller than the two that flanked it on its
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  Speaker 2: left and right, and and and uh. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I think back that you're looking at the
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  Speaker 2: nighteighteen sixty seven Patterson gimbl On footage and what they
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  Speaker 2: call Patty, Uh, the individual they film that day. She
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  Speaker 2: was really heavy, heavy set, very chunky. I guess I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to say, but these, these these three
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  Speaker 2: that I'm looking at, they're built like bodybuilders. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: very broad shoulders, a barreled chest, and a very discernible,
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  Speaker 2: you know, waistline that that came down to from this
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  Speaker 2: barreled chest. The head set really squarely down on the shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't make out any sort of a neck. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I really like what you'd imagine a world class bodybuilder
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  Speaker 2: would look like, except these things were covered in dark
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  Speaker 2: black hair. And these arms. Again, the the not just
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  Speaker 2: the arms, but the legs were disproportionate with regard to
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  Speaker 2: the torso when comparing it to a human, legs were
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  Speaker 2: too long. Arms were too long. These things were huge.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said that, the biggest of the three,
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  Speaker 2: the one in the center, stood there very still, very motionless.
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  Speaker 2: But it was what these other two on either side
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  Speaker 2: of it were doing, and that was to be swaying
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  Speaker 2: side to side, rocking side to side, just like there's
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  Speaker 2: shifting their weight from one foot to the other and
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  Speaker 2: rocking back and forth. And in the process, these long,
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  Speaker 2: pendulous arms are swinging down at their kneecaps. And they
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  Speaker 2: did this the entire time I watched it. And by
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  Speaker 2: time I'm not talking five or ten seconds, I had
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  Speaker 2: what I estimated to be about a twenty five second view. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: which doesn't sound like much, but really, when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to bckciting, that is a that is a pretty long view. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so twenty five seconds elapsed. I'm stunned. Really, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: looking I'm staring. I'm like in a total disbelief. I'm
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  Speaker 2: in shock, really, and I can't take my eyes off them.
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  Speaker 2: And then twenty five seconds passed and we continued around
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  Speaker 2: the corner and I lost sight of them, and I
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  Speaker 2: just kind of slumped back into my seat and I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, you know, how can that be? You know,
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  Speaker 2: but I can't and see what I saw, right, So
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  Speaker 2: now I'm dealing with trying to make you know, sense
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  Speaker 2: of it all. And it wasn't long before we got
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  Speaker 2: down to that after making that turn that we got
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  Speaker 2: down to that safety staging area, and so with what
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  Speaker 2: another three vehicles coming in slowly behind us, I just
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  Speaker 2: instinctively jumped out of my my humby and started jogging
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  Speaker 2: back up in the direction we just I'm from it.
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  Speaker 2: My hope was to get another view of them, but
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  Speaker 2: our SOP would not allow any one individual to be
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  Speaker 2: out of sight of the main body. It was an
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  Speaker 2: integrity is what they called it. And so you had
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  Speaker 2: to be accounted for. You can't just like walk off.
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  Speaker 1: Ye sp everybody is standard operating procedure. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: the guidelines, the rules. Yeah right, we're talking to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of civilians, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's hard to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of that. But so anyway, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I was in the Signal Corps man, so
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  Speaker 1: we have you knowe two five fours and com sect
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, so we have things like that
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  Speaker 1: to where you're like, what are you talking about? But
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  Speaker 1: you get used to it.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so I jogged back up in the direction
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  Speaker 2: we came, and I went as far as I dared,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately I went there was this little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a hill that was blocking my direct view of that
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  Speaker 2: quarry and it was killing me. Trust me, I'm standing
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  Speaker 2: on my tiptoes trying to get but I realized I
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  Speaker 2: can't go any further, and sadly, if I went another
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  Speaker 2: fifty meters, I would have had a clear shot of him,
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  Speaker 2: but I couldn't risk that. But it was while I
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  Speaker 2: was standing there on my tiptoes, my hand on my
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  Speaker 2: forehead straining to see anything, that I heard somebody yell
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  Speaker 2: my name, and I hear heynies and I look over
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  Speaker 2: to my right and it's Sergeant Martin and he says,
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  Speaker 2: what are you looking at? And I dropped my hand
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  Speaker 2: to my side. I got nothing, and he starts walking
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  Speaker 2: up in my direction. I remember Jeff was smoking on
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  Speaker 2: a cigarette and kind of the rest of the trucks
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  Speaker 2: are still kind of rolling in behind me, and he
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  Speaker 2: gets up to where I'm at and he looks in
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  Speaker 2: the eyes and he says, uh, I don't suppose you
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  Speaker 2: saw what I saw? Now that the second last time,
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  Speaker 2: which is something I really I didn't expect because being
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  Speaker 2: the lone passenger in that umvy I was in, I
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  Speaker 2: presumed I was the only one that had seen what
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  Speaker 2: I saw saw And of course, being the brave guy,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I don't know, Jeff, what did you see?
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't know. Maybe he saw an elk I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't anyway, he I remember he took another drag office
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  Speaker 2: cigarette and he looked left and right and made sure
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  Speaker 2: nobody was with an earshot, and he looked right at him.
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  Speaker 2: He says, I saw three dark hair covered huge I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, brother, I think I saw Bigfoot or something.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course of that, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I did, wow, yeah, you know, so yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: really it was cool to have that corroboration, but even
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  Speaker 2: without it, it wouldn't have changed anything for me other
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  Speaker 2: than it was I felt great to know that somebody
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  Speaker 2: else had had experienced what I had and so, and
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  Speaker 2: at that time I was in the National Guard, so
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  Speaker 2: we we would meet one weekend a month generally to
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  Speaker 2: train together. So it wouldn't be till early May before
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  Speaker 2: we had our next drill training period. And and at
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  Speaker 2: that at that drill, we had two more soldiers, independent
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  Speaker 2: of each other, come forward and admit to me that
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  Speaker 2: they had seen Jeff and I had seen. So as
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  Speaker 2: far as encounters go, and I can after doing research
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  Speaker 2: for over thirty two years and investigating numerous encounters and reports,
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you that it is fairly unique on
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  Speaker 2: a number of levels. One, you know, multiple animal settings
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  Speaker 2: are area where it's usually a single individual and I
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  Speaker 2: hate to call them animals because frankly, there are species
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  Speaker 2: of what I've come to believe are ancient human and
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  Speaker 2: we can get into that later, but multiple multiple individuals
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  Speaker 2: are pretty rare to see. And then multiple eye witnesses
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  Speaker 2: to go on top of that, you know, four in total,
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  Speaker 2: four soldiers doing very sober, serious stuff. And then obviously
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  Speaker 2: just the nature of what we were doing. And we
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  Speaker 2: were out there blowing up the woods, right, so I
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  Speaker 2: mean we're putting up mushroom cloud two thousand feet in
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  Speaker 2: the air and creating a little small earthquake in the process.
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  Speaker 2: And whatever the case, I can only assume these things.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: They probably knew we had left that particular area, but
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: knew we were still linear, and I think they were
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: coming out and just checking us out, trying to figure
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: out where they now what are they up to?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: But anyway that it still blows my mind to think
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: how twenty five seconds of my life at that point
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: completely changed the course of the rest of my life
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to come. So I've been, like I said, researching for
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: thirty two years. I've done numerous investigations, several expeditions, full
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: scale expeditions, and I've done a lot of public speaking
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: as well, documentaries and TV shows, and it's just kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of a well here I am right.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's completely understandable, Todd. I mean, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you're in the military, you got your you know, your
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: sp chain of command. You're out there doing which is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing a training exercise, which I've done
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: on multiple cass you know, I was, I was a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: relay station for you know, signal, and you're just out
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: there sometimes, especially me, I'm just out there basically with
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: two antend as a generator and a shelter. And you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I've been you know, in the middle of the desert
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: by myself, you know, running running night shift normally. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: always had night shift for whatever reason, whether I'm an A, I,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: T or whatever. And then you come across something that's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: not supposed to exist. Dude, it's it's and being a person,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: rational person, a person because they don't. I mean, we
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: do know there's some there are some, butdheads in the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: military we do not for but for the most part,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: there there is. There's just some people who are in
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it for the page.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: You know that there's but there's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Some of those people I don't want in the foxhole
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: with me. But there it's few and far in between.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: One out of fifty we'll say, you just give it
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a nice little round number there. But the rest of
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: them are you know, they're there. We're a team or
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: cohesive team. And then you see something that you can't
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: explain and then they're coming up to you. Uh so
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: we're it. So the individual above you was a sergeant
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: imagine ninety three years maybe with a three.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Actually I was a E five bucks sergeant is, as
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was Sergeant Martin.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, so being was this was this on a military base?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: No, actually, mean, and that's funny thing is we had
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a we my base at the time was Camp ri Leah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: which was down on the coast, and uh we actually
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: we actually had a blasting pit that under normal circumstances
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: when we're doing you know, blocks of C four D
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: N T or dynamite or whatever, that we could do
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: some small scale stuff there. But this was our annual
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you know, real world scenario where we were using real
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: world amounts of explosives to to and and uh, frankly,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: had we done it all a base, we would have
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: broke every window on the base and I don't think
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the commander would have liked that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So so you were saying on that day, you you're
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the other sergeant that came up to you was smoking
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a cigarette and two other individuals seen seen what you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: saw that we know of, Yeah, right now. We So
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about this on military basis where
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's been stories that I've heard on Sasquatch
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: chronicles shot out West Garmer that you know, there's been
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: times where they'd have to off these things and then
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they come in and grab them away. Was there any
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: report written up on this? Was there anything that was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: said up to chain anywhere?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I guess I get asked that a lot,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and and the short answers. Now, I, you know, between
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Jeff and I, we never really talked about it, uh,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you know, out loud. So my chain of command was
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: completely unaware of what I, Jeff and I had had
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: experience and lay the other two.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how would you even say that, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: if you were to report that, because if it was
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: humans in there safe, you know, you know, civilians like
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you were talking about, you would have to write up
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a report saying, you know this, that and the other
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that there was a breach of safety. We have to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: maintain this, do this, change this, alter that?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well how.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Do you do that when it's something you can't explain.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. No, I really wasn't going to go there, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't really that I was concerned so much
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: about any reprecressions. But you know, even having known that,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I at least at that time that there was another
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: eyewitness I was. I was in that group where you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: nine out of ten people that have these encounters, they
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: don't talk about it, you know, So you know, it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it's these things are seeing a lot more than most
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: people that are not in our circles know about. But
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: i mean, let's see, get a hundred reports in a year,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you think about it, there's probably worth a thousand sightings,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: but only ten percent came forward. And I kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: initially put myself in that, in that same category. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: just said, you know what, just you know, being National Guard,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I had a day job, and you know, I'm thinking,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a noncommissioned officer, I'm a family man, and my
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: day job was a vice president of a shipping company
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon. And so I'm like, yeah, I really
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: don't need anybody really questioning my my credibility, yeah, my sanity,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: my honesty, whatever, And so I kind of let things
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: go for a while. And so no, so there really
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't any reason for the military to even really be
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: aware of it at that time. Now certainly since then,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: because again I've done this for thirty two years and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: at one finally, at one point I did decide to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: go public about it, I you know, and it was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: not an easy decision, but for me, you know, here
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the reputation of one mister todd niece,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and yet I witnessed something that was his historically and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: scientifically not just important, but really rather critical. And so
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: when I kind of put it in that uh, kind
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of worded it that way, I mean, no pun intended,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: but this was bigger than me. So I decided, let's,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you know, either going to have to live with this
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and let it eat you alive, or you're gonna have
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to do something with it. And so I did. I
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: decided that I would try to find a purpose in
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: why the y me of when I think of all
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the factors that had to come together at that moment
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to make that sighting happen. I mean I could have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: been distracted and engaged in conversation, or or we could
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: have been there five minutes later or five minutes earlier
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and not seeing them at all. So I mean there
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was I just looked at it that way and said, okay,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there must be a reason, right, and and I sought
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: that reason. What I what I came away with is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that knowing they're real, uh and not really knowing you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the health of the species, obviously they're fairly rare. My
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: first thought went to what if these things are endangered
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: or threatened or on the verge of extinction, And so
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: ultimately I started the American Primate Conservancy, which is a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: nonprofit group based predicated our mission statements based on getting
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: them officially recognized and getting some getting some laws on
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the books too to protect them and take them seriously
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to where we can do some studies find out really
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the health of this piecies. And if they're fine, great,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you know, but I couldn't live with myself if I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: did nothing and then found out that they're they're gone.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: You know. I want to make sure that my kids,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: my grandkids, my great grandkids have as much of a chance,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: albeit very rare, to experience what I did that day.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And uh, and so that's really the the premise of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the Conservancy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. You have to send me that link to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: people can go over there and look into it. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: doing this, Okay, so you're starting this this conservancy. What
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: has been the pushback? What is has there been any
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I would you say it mental agencies that has given
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you pushback or just just ignore you?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Oh not at all? No, are you kidding me? You
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: would be amazed at the nonprofits out there you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: but no, I I when I established it, I made
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: sure it was legitimate. It's it is. It's based on
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: science and education. And when you uh present it that way,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: nobody's going to balk at it. It's on science, education
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and conservation. So yeah, nobody's going to bock at that,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you know. But no, I haven't had any there has
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: been no pushback to speak of. In fact, I've had
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of support over the years. And uh so
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: we're just going to keep on keeping on doing what
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: we're doing and and uh work towards our goal and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and it's fascinating, absolutely fascinating subject. And yeah, and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: can you know, you think after ten years of research,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you you'd kind of run out of you hit the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: hit the wall. But now I keep going down these
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: rabbit holes. You know. I make sure every every presentation
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I give there's always something new. And I've done I've
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: spoke at ten different conferences this last year alone, all
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: over the United States. And there's no two no two
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: powerpoints are the same. Because I don't just read books
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: on bigfoot. I read books on ancient humans. I read
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: books on apes. I read books on animal behavior and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: animal psychology. I read books that anything that you can
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: relate to these things, you know, anthropology of course, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: primatology and genetics. I'm really getting into some pretty heavy
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: books on genetics trying to figure out exactly what we're
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: dealing with, and you really have to go there to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: get the answer. But now my latest thing, and this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: started a couple of years back. You know, there seems
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to be two very distinct camps, if you will, when
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: it comes to bigod research, you know, and that that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: being the scientific flesh and blood, biological living creature species,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: legitimate species. And then we have the people that tend
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to lean toward more of the paranormal supernatural side of things.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And these camps couldn't be too any further apart. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and I just for the record, I consider myself of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the former group that being scientific based. Now I'm not
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a bonifid science as I do hold a colleagues degree
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and in multicultural multidisciplinary studies, but you know, I consider
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: myself as citizen scientist. And you know, anymore, oh my gosh,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: with all the tools that are starting to come down
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to our level, there's really between Google and the cloud
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and ia that you can't get an answer for you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: there's the answers you can get, you know, the square
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: root of one hundred and thirteen point seventy five, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: divided by nineteen and it's right there. You know. So
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff you'd go to a lot
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of colleagues to get the information for us is really
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: right at our fingertips, which is kind of cool. But
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: excuse me. I got invited a few years ago to
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: come out to the to the the Omaha Indian Reservation
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in eastern Nebraska, and that's right on the border there.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The Missouri River was what divides Iowa and Nebraska, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the reservation is literally right on the border there, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it's very I was really surprised to find that there
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: was very heavily treed and some rolling hills and whatnot,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: because it's dropping kind of down in that Missouri River valley. Yeah,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the other ninety nine percent is all flat cornfields and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: what you would expect. But so I was really pleased
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to find that there was some really good habitat there.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And I've been talking with these guys for years and
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: they told me that they were having regular encounters and
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a red flight for me. And so
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: he says, I've seen Bigfoot fifteen times. You know, when
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: it took me thirty four years to see him once
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and another twenty eight years to see him again. You know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it's see you are kind of like okay, and then
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it's oh yeah. And then there's this eye shine thing,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and well.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I've heard of that too, especially I've heard I've heard
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: gentlemen talk about where they were seeing like like the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: eyes and like, uh kind of like a I don't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: know how you like a pinwheel kind of thing going on.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I've heard of this too, and this specific location.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Well, so so I had. You know, when I do
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: my research, my first go to you say, Bigfoot can
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: do some wild stuff. You know, yeah, a big fucking
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: fly and shoot flames out its butt. Okay, I'll go
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: with that on one condition. Show me one other known
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: species that can do what use plain that they can do,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: and we've got a starting point. And when it came
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to the eye shine thing, I didn't. I did my
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: homework and you know, I look at you know, any
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: sort of organisms that generate light, whether it be bioluminescence, phosphorescence,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: electrochemical actions and whatnot. I mean, we see like photoplankton
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: in the ocean, it glows.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: We have to hear. In Mexico there's certain parts of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the water at certain times of the year where the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: all the waves or even glowing in the dark. Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, And as a scuba diver, it's I would
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: do night dives through it. And the cool thing is
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: when you swim through it, the agitation from your fins
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: will literally cause them to glow brighter. So it's kind
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: of cool that you'd be diving like midnight somewhere out
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: in the ocean and you'd have a diver go past
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you and it's always like he's trailing these little sparks
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: behind them. You know, it's really something to see. But yeah, photoplankton.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of aquatic animals, especially deep deep marine animals,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: have the ability to generate light. They use it for
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: either mating or attracting other fish to eat. We get
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: on land, we've got certain animals, a few amphibians. We've
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: got fireflies for instance. You know, I've got them here
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: on the ranch and certain times a year, and that's cool,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you know, But then you know I got where I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: hit the ceiling was when I got to mammals and
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I could not find any mammals and you just naturally
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: have to go there, right, So I could not find
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: any evidence of any animals that could literally generate light,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: either through again electrochemical reaction like fireflies or biolumin essence,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and it just didn't I So I had taken that
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: out of and put it firmly into the paranormal supernatural file. Well,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I went out there, and I spent a week on
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the reservation, and we went out in the field ten
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: different days and two locations, and I kind of got
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: my butt handed to me because not only did I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: witness the the eyeshine effect that people have talked about.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't like that word, and someday it's somebody's gonna
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: go with a really cool scientific name for it. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: some of the things you hear, like orbs and zapped
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and portholes and eye shine and mind speak, you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: from that group, it's like, let's give it a good name.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Let's just figure it out first, you know, let's figure
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it out scientifically. So uh, and it was again, it
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't just the eyeshine I experienced, but some incredible vocalizations
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: that went along with it. And uh, you know, so
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I got on a plane a week later, and I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: had some homework to do when I got home. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: there's some amazing, funny anecdotal stories I can tell you
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: in those five days, some crazy, crazy stuff, but maybe
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: we can save that for later. But anyway, so I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: got home, I was like, Okay, you can't undersee that either,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: So now you've got to figure out scientifically how that happens.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And I did. I just didn't go far enough down
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that rabbit hole. And so I was really fortunate when
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I returned from this trip that it was only like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I know, five or six weeks later. I don't know
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: what the odds are. But there was a show that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: came on I Discovery or History or something on else,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and it was a three part series called Earth at Night.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: You might want to write that down, because what this
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: whole series was about was taking extremely, very expensive, very
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: high tech camera equipment into the darkness to film animals
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: that are active nocturnally, and not just in America, all
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: over the world, all over the world. They went everywhere
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: but Antarctica, right. They must had a huge budget, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: they went all over the place, and everything from really
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: down to insects on up to full sized animals. And
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it was in that first segment that they were the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: camera crew was down in Argentina and they were filming
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a puma, their version of our you know, our cougar
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: mountain lion down there in in the pather's grass, teaching
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the She had four kittens with her that she had
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: brought out to teach them how to hunt at night.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And as I'm watching this, one struck me was the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the the shine, the glow, the refraction, because we're talking
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: not like deering the headlights kind of glow. We're talking
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: a glow without any artificial secondary source of life. And
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they're filming this with a special camera, and that particularly
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: animal just about blew me away because just how absolutely bright.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: It almost washed out the entire face of the cat.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: But it was what the narrator said, just as they're
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: filming that, he said something on there forget He goes,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you know, we've we go all over the world, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: he said, we filmed thousands of different creatures in our
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: in our in our documentary, and he said, the South
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: American puma is one of only a handful of mammals
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: where we have actually been able to see their eyes
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: emitting light with just a bare naked human eye, with
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: no equipment, no equipment whatsoever. They could literally be standing
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: out in the dark and see these eyes with no
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: other source of light. And I went bingo, and so
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I did my research figure out how they did that,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and then was able to really just extrapolate that to
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a much larger eye. And when you do that, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: effects are just that much more awesome. The larger the eye,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the larger the aperture. Where I was getting stuck was this,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: It couldn't be self generated, it couldn't be bioluminous, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it couldn't be electro chemical, which only left refraction or
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: reflect But the question being where is the source of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the light. And that's where I really limited myself in
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that we as humans are very limited, not just in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: our ability to see in darkness, but you know, or
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: we're limited in our hearing range and all kinds of things.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean there's not sounds that are going on we
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: just can't detect, or there is light out there that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: we can't detect. There's always light. I don't care if
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: it's if it's a new moon and it's overcast, that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: there is some starlight, some zodiac light and some lunar
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: light and cosmic light that does come through either way,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it's just that we can't see it. But the interesting
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: thing is through this the process that utilizes the the
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: pedum uh see them, which is a membrane in the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: back of the eyes of animals with night vision. That's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: how they can see it, like cats, you know, they
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: can see it at night because as light comes in
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and hits this, it's a crystalline structure, this membrane that
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: sits between the optic nerve and the retina. It reflects
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: that light all through the eyeball hundreds of times, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: in that process it amplifies it. It amplifies it mainly
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: for their own purposes of being able to see at night.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But some of that bounces out then right.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, in that process of that light amplification process, they
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: can raise that light that again before we couldn't see it,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: they can amplify it to the point where we can.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: We can see it, and I mean barely see it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: We're not talking laser being or anything, but you can
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: make out these absolute pitch black and I can't believe
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: nobody but anyway, so once I I across that rubicon.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I started thinking, I wonder what else, because you know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: all this time I'm like telling people these you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the woo people, I'm like, yeah, that doesn't happen, And
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: then I found that it did. So I thought, you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I wonder what other sort of anomalies that some of
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: these people in that category have experienced. I wonder if
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I can find scientific explanations through those?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, so why not? Nobody's doing it? Right,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: so think outside the box. And I'm thinking, would it
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: be cool to be able to bridge this gap between
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: these two groups, right between the scientists and the people
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that are thinking paranormal supernatural? I mean paranormal by definition,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: if you look it up, it is just it is
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: an anomaly that is unexplainable by scientific methodology today. And
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: by definition, there's a lot of things that were paranormal
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: fifty one hundred years ago that are just common everyday
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: knowledge now because we were able to use technology or
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: what have you to finally go oh that's how okay,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: never mind, Now it's just normal every day of science.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: So why not? I mean, I think science will it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the answer to everything, and so there's always an answer.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So I've looked into things like, for instance, how people
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: tend to say that they can appear and disappear at will,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and they must be either going into a different dimension
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: or stepping in shoot some sort of pole, or changing
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: vibrational frequency and all this, and and I've worked that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I think I've figured that one out, and other things
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like seeing orbs and the feeling of being napped, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: even even possibly mind speak there if you think about it,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: there is a scientific answer for for for all of it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: You just got to really, you know, and a lot
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of it, A lot of the I'm finding a lot
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of the research I've done has been out for a
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: long time, not applied in the way I've applied it,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: mind you, but the basics, the fundamentals the technology has
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: been known about for some time. It's just nobody's connected
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the dots, right so anyway, So I'm having fun doing that, and.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It's a good amount of I think it's a good
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: approach to go about it. I just think some of
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the things that I've I mean, have you ever seen
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: barbershops video? Have you have you seen that video? Have
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you seen them one where the eyes just blink out
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of nowhere within it looks like it looks like a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: firefly at first, because it's five frames of a sixty
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: frame per second recording device, and she actually slowed it down.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You un'tseen there, you go, that's her book. I just
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: had her on you Unseen audience from Barbership.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Was just It's so both of them were just mind
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: blowing to me, you know, and like I said, huh,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: excuse me, no, I.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: What I'll tell you why when a lot of people
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: my issue isn't with the individual's claim to have experienced something.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: My My issue is more along the lines of their
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: interpretation as to what it is or how that happened.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: And it's it's it's just too easy to pull out
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the paranormal flag and go, h I don't have to
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: answer anything because I'm calling it paranormal. So I'm done.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, get back here and
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: let's work this out. You know, it's a cop out
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: to just throw things into the paranormal category and assume
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that you don't have to explain anything. So so no,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I to me, it's that I really honestly believe and
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I believe they're very sincere in what they've seen many
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: of these people are my friends, so I can't. You know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: there's always a grain of truth in every in everything,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: so it's just a matter of taking that graining and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: trying to enlarge it a little bit. But it it's
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm my only concern here.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think my thing is I believe they've seen
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: what they've seen. I just I think they their interpretation
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: as to what it was and how it happened is questionable,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: and I look for ways to help them understand how
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: that they have actually happened. And then then they don't
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: have to hide from the scientific biological, flesh and blood
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: scientists people. They can just go, hey, I figured out
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you were too lazy, but I figured that this is
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: how it happened, you know. So anyway, it's a fun
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: metal life.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, I damn what you're saying. But there's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: just certain things that science can't explain. Like love. Yep,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you can say it's some bio chemical change and it
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: goes from here to there, but you can't the way
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: your children or your wife. There's nobody who can really
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: explain it to you. We know it because we all
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: experience it, but scientifically yes, it's here, but it doesn't
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: explain the sperience you understanding, right, or even God maybe
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like religious people, that is the most paranormal thing ever.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: And billions of people agree and believe and are religious people.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And if you read the book, you know, coming back
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: to life and.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Well you know, well it's kind of like Bigfoot. You've
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: got those that believe, those that want to believe, and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: then you have those that know. And I think when
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: it comes to religioships, there are a certain subset of
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: us that know. Don't ask us how that's that's uh.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: But again, I think every every every mystery deserves uh
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to be solved. And and I just don't
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: like leaving things hanging out there as well. It's a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: paranormal deal with it. No, let's let's take it. Let's
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: run with us. Fine, it was fine an answer, Yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: and I and I don't have the answer for everything.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And to be quite honest with you, my theories are
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: just that they're they're certainly subjective. But and I would
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: say that right out front. But at least I'm trying,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm coming up with some plausible answers. Maybe not
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the answer, but perhaps something that will come out. Yeah,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: what I do.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not here to challenge your Yeah, it's just
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: my the internet's kind of messing up right now. I'm
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: not here to challenge your your methods and your good
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And that's that's me. Everything. Everything, intention is every and
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: if your intention is try to quantify it within the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: scientific realm, that way we can understand it better. There's
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the thing is is
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that when people have experienced sometimes cannot be explained. Like
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I've seen the hat man and I can't explain it
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: because I know the building for many years. I went
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to it, and when I've seen it, I didn't. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: actually went outside the door and looked and there was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: nothing there. But I've seen this thing, you know, it's
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it's weird. How do you explain that? I can't it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I can say, but I won't postulate as to it's
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: an intientional list or not. There I go, maybe, but
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I saw it, you know what
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I mean. That's all I'm saying. Have I seen it?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Don't just don't that I've seen it. Now, why don't
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: you take that and try to make try to try
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to get past it and think come up with some
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: ideas of how that might happen, whether it's paradoila, whether
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: it's psychosomatic, whether it's something rich.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: You see faces and things that only why do.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: You kind of make things into what you want to be?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: But no, I mean there's there's answers. We know those
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: things exist, so you know, it's just it's a fun
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: it's challenging to try to get out and look for answer,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: that's all. But I will say that a lot of
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: things that people observe, or i more of the point experience,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: may not be that that particular anomaly may not actually
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: be happening at the source insomuch as it's happening on
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: your person. No, No, no physically physically for instance. Uh. Infrasound,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of it, and we've talked. I've
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: talked about it many times. Infra sound is sound again
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: something that is below human detection audibly, but it's base
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: sounds below twenty hurts, and when you get below twenty hurts,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you can't hear it. But that the Ronnie, the irony
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: in that is that the lower the frequency, the longer
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the wavelength, the more powerful and physically capable. These sonic
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: waves are And when somebody says, I'm looking at Bigfoot
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, they just faded out. So
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: they must have stepped through a portable, or they must
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: have changed dimensions or vibrational freedoms, or a UFO picked
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: them up or whatever. Or I'm standing there was nothing
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: there and all of a sudden one shows up, just
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: like right there, Like it didn't walk into the scene.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It just shut up. Okay, Nobody stops to think, is
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: it possible that that that that thing that I'm experiencing,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: that experience I'm having isn't really happening at the subject
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at, but it's rather the subject is causing
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: me to lose visual acuity. You said, well, how can
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: they do that? Well, infrasound we know which can be
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: generated in nature by certain animals. Elephants, tigers, whales, hippopotamus, alligators,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: they all do that. They create infra sound. We've measured it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: We know they can do it. We just can't hear it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Can be standing right next to them, you can't hear it.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Does that mean it doesn't affect you? Well, actually it can.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: In fact, it could kill you under the right circumstances,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and under the right amount of amplitude, can literally cause
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: your lungs to collapse. So it's nothing to mess with.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: But if they do produce infrasound, and like I said,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: man can produce it too. We use it almost daily
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: when they do cracking, for instance, they're setting off explosives
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: miles away and putting infrasound detection equipment miles away from
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the explosions and picking up those infrasound sonic waves that
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: are coming back reflecting off of the shale beds and
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: explosives like what I was doing. Same thing. And in
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: World War One they used to call it shell shock,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: where certain individuals that were nowhere near where an artillery
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: around landed, they could have been a mile or even
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: two miles from where it landed. They were totally taken
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: out of the game because they were so messed up,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and they just called it shell shock. And now applying
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: what we know today to that situation, we know that
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: those artillery rounds were creating infrasound and infrasound will mess
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: with you, and that infrasound was traveling through the ground
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and it can travel for many miles elephants. Elephants communicate
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes five miles distance through the ground. They're using fib
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Now it's through their feet actually, and it's not stomp
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: it's not making contact like hitting, slapping a trunk on
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: the ground or stomping their feet. It's it's internal. You
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: have to realize they're using their long capacity and their
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: vocal cords. You know, you hear even even humans that
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: do that what they call like that I'm talking or
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: what are you going? Whatever?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, but much deeper, much deeper. But does
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it creates vibration that goes through the feet of the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: elephant and be picked up through the feet of another
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: elephant four or five miles away. That's the nature of infrasound,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: where higher frequencies tend to reflect and bounce off of things.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Lower frequencies will literally penetrate and travel. For whales, they've
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: determined whales can communicate hundreds and hundreds of miles apart
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: from each other using infer se. But again, so explosives
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: can do it, humans can do it. Thunderstorms, earthquakes, tidal waves,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: volcanic activity all create infrason and it's interesting to see
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: how animals react before humans do when we get earthquakes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they're sensitive. They're sensitive. Dogs can hear down
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: to fifteen herts, which is considerably less than what we
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: and so they'll pick it up long before we do.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway, my point being this, when they I'll give
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: you a what if. Okay, So in nineteen fifty eight,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: we're taking these newly minted pilots and calling them astronauts
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: and putting them special suits ontoment and and putting them
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: in a capsule on top of an intercontinental ballistic missile
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and shooting them off into space. Now they've got one job.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Write it out and keep in touch with Houston. We
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: need to know what the gauges are reading. We need
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to know what the what the pressure is outside, what
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the temperatures inside, what the speed is. We need you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: to you know. So they in the nineteen fifties, it's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: again just just strapping them on missiles shooting them up
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: into space. There was you know, Houston, we have a problem.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: What's that? Well, we can't read the gauges. This is
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: what the pilot's radio back. For some reason we cannot
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and these were analog gauges, if you will with the needle,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you know, not LCDs or LEDs. So what they we
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: can't tell you the data you need us to read
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: to you. We can't. You know, the gauges are right
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: in front of our faith, we can't focus on them.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until the capsule actually or the rocket
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: engine stopped generating that infrasound and the capsule, you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: obviously disconnected that all of a sudden, their vision came
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: into crystal clear view and they're like, oh, okay, I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: don't know what that was, but now we can see everything. Now,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: what do you what do you need to know? And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: they didn't. Again, not knowing what infrasound was, they were
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: not able to make that application. Now, in hindsight, they
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: go back and I go they they had to redesign
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: all the astronaut suits, they had to redesign the modules,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: they had to resign the engines and the insulation. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it's really one of the main reasons they came up
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: with digital gauges with LCD digital digitals gauges because they
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: were easier to read than a needle, you know, so
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: they had to but but they really didn't understand it
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: until much later. And so my point being this, if
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: if infrasound can rattle your eyeball, and keep in mind
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: that aquius humor, that that liquid that fills your eyeball
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: and keeps it spherical, keeps it around. Liquid is the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: perfect ultimate medium four conducting vibration. Drop a pep pebble
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: in a still pond and you'll never see the end
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: of it, right, same sort of thing. Now your eyeball
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: is getting bombarded, same sort of deal as these astronauts,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: but now you're in the middle of the woods and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: your eyeball is getting bombarded with these very low frequency
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: sonic waves which is making a rippling effect. Not on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: their end, they're not fading out, it's happening to you,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and it's conusing your just your vision to become distorted
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: to where looking at the source of this infrasound, everything's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: going to kind of blur out and be and be
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: very difficult to focus. I didn't into that extent. We
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: could probably apply that to why we it's very difficult
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: to get very clear photographs or videos of these things
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: as well. If they're generating that it can it can
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: affect hard surfaces as well. So if you know I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: was I'll tell you where I really kind of start
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: on this without driving my Dodge around pick up with
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: a boom and stereo in it. One day and I've got,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: you know, some subwiffers in there, and I turned the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: base up and cranked up the volume, and I'm driving
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: down the road and I need to switch lanes, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I look and murder with your mirror, and I realized
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that I cannot see the lane next to me clearly
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: at all. And the reason was this the vibration being
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: caused by the low base notes. And these are base notes. Again,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: keep in mind base knows we can hear it was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: some country song that it had a lot of bass
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to it. I can't remember what it was at the moment, country,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to tell you it wasn't until I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: turned down the volume on my stereo that slowly, but surely, uh,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the image in my mirror became clearer and clearer. And
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  Speaker 2: so think about this. That's a solid piece of glass
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  Speaker 2: with just a reflective cloak coating on it. If sound waves,
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  Speaker 2: if sonic sound waves, can can distort your vision, uh,
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  Speaker 2: using a completely solid object like that, imagine what it
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  Speaker 2: can do to the liquid in your eyeball. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a it's it's not hard at all. You know, take
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  Speaker 2: take a pan of water and set it on top
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  Speaker 2: of a speaker and turn up the volume and see
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  Speaker 2: what that water does. It'll look like it's boiling. That's
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  Speaker 2: the same thing that's going on in your eyeball. If
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  Speaker 2: my again, again hypothetical, but I can back it up
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  Speaker 2: with science to say, here's where, back in fifty eight,
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  Speaker 2: we realize the effects of infrasound on the human eye,
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  Speaker 2: and it will distort your very vision. Okay, check that block.
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  Speaker 2: Do we have any known animals out there that can
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  Speaker 2: do and then generate inf sound? Yes, okay, check that block.
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  Speaker 2: Are any of them mammals?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, check that block. And as you get down, all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden it's like, you know, you know this.
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  Speaker 2: This this is a it's a good working theory anyway,
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  Speaker 2: But will it answer every every question or what Barbe
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  Speaker 2: saw in her videos? And I've seen them, I know
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  Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Maybe maybe not, but again, if
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  Speaker 2: your your eyes are getting messed up, if your vision's
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  Speaker 2: becoming distorted. Uh, And and you say, well we got
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  Speaker 2: it on camera, well they saw it, and the goud
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  Speaker 2: On camera has what's to say is not affecting the
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  Speaker 2: camera as well, you know, it's it's it's just one
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  Speaker 2: of those things that I'm trying to give again, give
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  Speaker 2: ammunition to those people that had those experiences and go, look,
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  Speaker 2: I think you saw what you saw, and let me
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  Speaker 2: tell you how I think it happened. And then next
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: time somebody gives you crap, just pull this out and go, huh, well,
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  Speaker 2: here's how that happened, you know, and so I don't
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  Speaker 2: know it's somebody man.
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  Speaker 1: It's fair. It's fair. There's nothing wrong with being fair
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  Speaker 1: about what you think could be a possibility, backing up
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  Speaker 1: what we know. We're still learning, and then trying to
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  Speaker 1: put the two together and just instead of just throwing
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  Speaker 1: your hands in the air and going I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't either have the ability
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  Speaker 1: to put those in line. There are some people who
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  Speaker 1: really whoop it up. I agree, there's some people who
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: really whoop it up. I've heard them, I've spoken with them.
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  Speaker 1: And there's some people like yourself and others who are like, nah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: that's all whatever. I'm saying that we have to be
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  Speaker 1: able to have to con the possibility to speak with
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  Speaker 1: one another and whatever that language needs to be. And
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: how are we bridge a gap one way or the other,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: however that works. I think you're doing what you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: and reaching out is an important process.
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  Speaker 2: I really do well, thank you, And you know it's
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  Speaker 2: it's you know, you get Eddie do this for three decades.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: It's like you got to you got to come up
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: with some new stuff. And that's you know. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I I'm going through books on genetics and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: and and my good friend, uh, doctor Brian Sykes, who
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: passed away not too long ago, wrote greade books on
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: gene ICs and and the human race and and even
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: as some of his last books, Uh, I'm reading one
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  Speaker 2: it's Yeti's Bigfoot YETI and the Neandersal and it's uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's fascinating because even Brian was one of those guys
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  Speaker 2: that was willing to you know, scientists, the willness to
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  Speaker 2: risk his reputation to consider some alternative stuff. But I'll
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  Speaker 2: give you another one just real quick, because I say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think I can explain fuzzy photos and possibly some
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  Speaker 2: some visual acuity distortions that might be you know, deal
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: with this another thing that that they so I kind
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: of reached back in that file, in the in the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: WU file, and I pulled an out of Oh god,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: this is going to be tough, ORBS, Oh my god, ORBS,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: how do I explain? ORBS? So I rolled up my
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: sleeves and I started doing some study and research. And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you can do the same thing. It's not real or
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: it's just you know, really, all you have to do
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  Speaker 2: is ask the right questions. Can infrasound create an optical
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  Speaker 2: illusion of balls of colored light, you know, and see what,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: see what what you come up with. But in this
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  Speaker 2: one particular scenario, it's pretty fascinating story. Actually back in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties and it was just before they were really
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  Speaker 2: learning about infrastound, or about the time they were. There
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  Speaker 2: was a factory had been around fifty sixty years in
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  Speaker 2: this town. And as factories grow, you're constantly changing out
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: equipment and getting stuff that can produce more product or better,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: more efficiently, or what have you. And so this one
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  Speaker 2: particular day they had brought in so they had a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: shut down and brought into new equipment, and then the
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  Speaker 2: next day everybody came, you know, back to work, and
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: for some reason they started complaining about not feeling well
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: about se things and and just just feeling off. And
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: some people were reporting seeing things in their peripheral vision
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: movement that when they turned to look at it, it
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: was not there. But again when they started focusing on
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing anywhere around their peripheral vision, they were
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: getting movement of some sort. And some of them even
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: worth talking about it maybe being ghosts. Others talked about
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: seeing you got it, uh, balls of colored light drifting
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: drifting across the room. And they're they're like, that doesn't
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: make sense. And so they got some some experts in
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: on it, and they went and brought in some some
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: equipment to where they could do some sonic measuring and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: we're able to pinpoint the source of it. Sure enough,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: they went over this one particular new piece of equipment
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  Speaker 2: they had brought in, and the second they switched the
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  Speaker 2: machine off, everything stopped. Nobody had any issue at all.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Soon they turn it back on. Oh there it is again.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: So again this is a mechanical situation in a civilian environment.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: But again we take it out into the field. If
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  Speaker 2: we have animals that can do this, and if Bigfoot
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  Speaker 2: is capable of generating again that sonic pressure it's like,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: can they be causing some optical illusion if you will,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: it's really not there, just like they're not disappearing, They're
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: still there. They're just doing something to affect your vision
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  Speaker 2: to where you can't see them in this case, is
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  Speaker 2: it possible that in that process, again, depending perhaps on
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  Speaker 2: the amplitude. We taught think about sound volume in terms
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  Speaker 2: of decibels. Those are decibels we can hear. Again, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to understand you can't hear this stuff. You can
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  Speaker 2: feel it, and it will have some very powerful physical
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: effects based again on the volume, on the amplitude. He said, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you turn it up, I'm going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to hear. No, you can turn this thing up to
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  Speaker 2: ten and you're not going to hear it. But the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: more you turn it up, the more powerful it becomes
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: and the more effects it can have. In fact, they've
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: even even in here's a scenario where they had in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: They were trying to set a world record at this
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: concert for the biggest base system ever designed, and they
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: built all these huge woofers. I mean they must have
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: been three or four feet in diameter all the way
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: around the state front of the stage and whatnot. And
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: you can look this up. They show with an empty stadium,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: they show them testing it out and just hitting a
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  Speaker 2: single note, you could literally see dust flying off the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: ground and literally a gentleman in the foreground his shirt
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: flapping like a flag in a hurricane.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: With just sound, just sound, and again in this case,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: audible sound. When they they decided to bring several thousand
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: people into that that arena and play that their concerts
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: in there, several people were taken to the hospital with
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: collapsed lungs because simply from sound. Think about it, Because
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: the human lungs are just a bag of air, right,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: It's a couple of balloons in your chest. There's nothing
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: really holding them, you know, like an eyeball with liquid
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: is just an airbags. And when they're getting slammed with
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: sonic waves, I mean it's almost like getting CPR, you
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So, hey, sound can kill you.
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  Speaker 2: And so depending on the situation and depending on the scenario,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I think if Bigfoot can generate in for sound, I
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  Speaker 2: think based on the level again the amplitude that they apply,
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  Speaker 2: they can get different effects, everything from fading out or
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: fading in, creating optical and what's more interesting is how
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  Speaker 2: they affect you emotionally and personally as well in terms
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: of the fear factor. You know, people talk about being
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: zapped and being just having a sudden panic attack for
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: no apparent reason in the middle of the woods where
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: they've gone all the most of their life and all
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: of a sudden they're in they can't move, or they
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: can't speak, or they can't you know, they just they
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: can't even move in some cases. And uh, that's exactly
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: how the Asian tiger uses infrasound. They use it to hunt.
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  Speaker 2: They will stun a herd of analope that they want
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: to attack by by using infrasound. Again, the analoge can't
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: hear it, but they can sense that, they can feel it,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: and they know something's wrong and you know, danger close
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: and in that sense of hesitation and panic, tiger gets
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: on them and so they use it that way. So again,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: it can affect your attitudes, it can affect it can
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: affect your your control processes literally. So sound is it?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Sound is interesting and and it's just funny funny that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: science never bothered to look in infrasound because it wasn't practicable,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't pragmatic. There no way to make money on it,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: And why I make you know, would you make silent?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: You know? Would you like to buy this this beautiful
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: CD of silent music? What you know? How about I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: make you? How about I you know? Would you be
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: would you like to buy some tasteless food? Perhaps?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: No? Yeah?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Can I interest you an invisible picture? It's just you know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's literally out of sight at a
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: sound at a at a hearing at So the science
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: is like, yeah, we don't need to go there. When
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: they finally did, they're like, oh that's oh dang it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: We should have looked sooner. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, it's all I really enjoyed that. Honestly, it
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  Speaker 1: does fill in some holes for me. Thank you.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: I feel I just want to I want people to Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I feel more enlightened. Every bit of information get good
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: and or bad. We have the ability to go ahead
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: and filter out as we choose to do so, and uh,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: if we just try to, maybe you're saying, just look
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: at it with more sense, Maybe with different eyes, in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a different way and a different toolkit, maybe we can
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: get to some of these answers and why the things
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: are happening and or not happening that we would expect
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to see. And since they're basically still unrecognized by a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: scientific community as a species of sorts, then there's gonna
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: be a lot of holes that are not that need
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: to be filled in and doing it the way you're
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: doing it with your thirty two years of work and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: research there. I really enjoy it man and Todd. Uh.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed having you want to normally only go
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: an hour do but you had it going, bro, and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed every bit of it. I really appreciate that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: you came on and talk to me.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's been my pleasure. I hope I didn't bore anybody,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: but now I do.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: It was good, It was good, Man.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Really, I appreciate to have me honest, it's been uh,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: it's been finals. Do it again maybe sometime direction Yeah,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: oh that would be great.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: That would be great. And thank you. Thanks man. Remember guys,
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