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Talks to Peter Cumiskey about his choice of The Romans (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast on. You know what I call you in
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  episode 1, mister Peter. I think I was mr.
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  Peter, yeah, I'm still here with mr.
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  Peter. Hello, hello.
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  I think we should be greeting us each other in Latin but I can't
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  speak Latin and those the Latin teacher he says a wonderful
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  liner because he's in a very Porsche University and he says
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  my career is that I teach a dead language to Rich children, what
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  you see is society No idea. Okay, so we've watched episode 1
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  of the Romans. Yes.
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  Now I'm going to put you in the disadvantageous position of
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  catching everybody up with what's happened to this story to
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  date. If you're curious look
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  previously on Doctor Who. Yeah, so dr.
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  Vickie and Barbara killing it, killing a novella doctor, and ve
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  decided to go off to Rome. Doctor decides to pretend to be
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  a dead old guy who plays the liar.
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  And then in and Barbara are captured slaves.
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  Enslaved both Resort someplace and often other players given is
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  so relaxed. That's quite a lot to happen in
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  a single episode, isn't it? It is.
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  Yeah. And I think is what as well?
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  I mean like, A lot packed in the first episode.
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  It's still time for just character stuff and all of the
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  stuff in the villa and sayings very rough.
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  Yeah, we said very refreshing. Well, I got a question for you,
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  but let's skip into episode 2 and I'm going to hit you with
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  that. All right.
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  We're not literally hit you. I'd be scared.
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  So you ready to go? Yes I am in 5 4 3, 2 1.
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  Obviously I'm not actually in control.
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  Understand anybody listens this thing alongside watching it, but
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  I've been doing this before and fifty episodes now.
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  So just in case the person that does the sink in a little.
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  Yeah, exactly. Now my question is, this is, do
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  you think that comedy is an essential element of Y Doctor?
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  Who is so successful? Hmm.
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  I think it's a very beneficial element.
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  I mean, it's quite telling that a lot of the most popular, I
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  mean, Genesis, the Daleks is hardly sort of, as a joke in it
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  caves of androzani to another one.
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  A lot, the ones which are quite highly regarded aren't
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  necessarily that funny. But I mean the whole concept of
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  Doctor Who is obviously ridiculous, but I think it's
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  that I was in the black archive buch about the Romans that was
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  reading. It mentioned about how this is a
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  bit of a release valve. That comedy was used as a have
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  a, every few stories to be a bit of a funny one.
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  And I think the do that a bit with like RTD does it quite a
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  lot with the be a comedy episode and it's sort of rushing them
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  out. So there's a, I mean, I don't
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  Envision of Earth obviously very bleak.
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  And and in the black archive, it sort of comes to the conclusion
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  that it's settled in. Oh, in the second doctor area,
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  instead of having right, the old comedy story, they would have
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  the old comedy business from the regulars.
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  Yeah. So you have a really Bleak
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  story, but you have trout in and for as a Heinz there diffusers.
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  And I think the And then you get that a lot, I think, especially
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  with the pairings that are really popular with, with,
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  tenant and tears. Yeah, are for sure.
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  It could be a really big story, but Katherine tale says
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  something a really good Mormon and then apply the huge, which
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  is about slavery, but then she gets that Zinger of all the
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  why'd you say Miss? Do I look single?
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  Yeah, exactly. And I think that it's, that
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  thing of diffusing and I think that you couldn't have any Every
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  episode of every story like the caves of androzani or Genesis of
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  the Daleks, because it would just get really earnestly.
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  It would be Blake servant. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. And I think that Yeah, you need
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  that. You need that humor whether it's
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  sort of gallows humor that Nero offers with tigellinus and
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  coming along later. And this this episode I can I
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  can I just tell you something piece I did.
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  I not tell you I was trained by the mountain molar of Montana to
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  intrude. I'm surprised you haven't got
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  that in the spin-off yet. Well, we might even a short film
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  all over William Hartnell, having a fantastic brawl.
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  Assassin. This was like a fluffy recess.
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  I'm constantly outwitting the opposition.
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  Oh yes, there's something along those lines and let the other
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  literally say that my Excellency would be an impossible possible.
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  Possibly is a big point out that cooks up that particular line
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  later on because he decides to Embellish it by saying your
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  Excellency, and then he gets his tongue tie, where's really spoon
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  is probably written it to be seeable by Hot Oil.
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  Yeah, that's even funnier. Oh look at this.
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  Look at this little model of Rome so they've done to
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  establish Rome Italy if that's like from another film or maybe
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  like the galley, shh, Josh don't mind that sort of visual
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  shorthand in the reign of terror.
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  They just have like a steal of a guillotine.
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  Don't let me go over to num. Surely have like a painting
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  Paris or something as well, some of the muscle Go.
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  I mean, I mean let's not escape from the fact that this was
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  being made on a budget, you know, pretty cheaply having what
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  they achieved visually given warmer.
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  It's pretty extraordinary. There's a short letter on.
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  I mean, I know that I'm conscious that we're probably
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  gonna end up talking about these Mormons that I'm just
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  remembering offhand Ron. But there's a shot where it's
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  looking up at Barbara looking out of a window.
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  And I'm just like that really works.
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  Like it's just a camera like position, a bit downwards, but I
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  think, I think it's right here actually in a second.
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  Oh no. Maybe not.
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  Think it might be with the torch bearers in episode 4 thing.
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  I was really watch this more recently than you.
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  Hi, I am. What's it for?
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  By, that was a fit when I do on the documentary, one of the
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  contributors was saying that because the I can't listen, I'm
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  tavius. The, the bald guy, the one who
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  takes in Barbara. Mmm.
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  Yeah, the Christian one. Bit that he's a Christian and
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  apparently at this point is unlikely, that there would have
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  been a Christian in Nero's household.
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  I don't know whether that's factually, true or not you or
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  more of a history buff than I am sure.
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  That's British history. Anything Italian basically, you
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  know, I'm I'm so lacking in historical knowledge that I
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  watch these dogs hose and just take everything as fact.
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  So, luckily I think there's so many, I mean, this is I think
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  what I like is well, is that it isn't always, I mean, celebrity
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  and startles didn't really become a thing until the new
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  series. Mmm.
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  And there's lots of I mean maybe I mean obviously the mask of the
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  Crusade Marco Polo, maybe that's more of a reflection of what
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  kids are learning at the time. Yeah.
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  I feel like they kind of they, they went for my history that
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  kids would know about the reign of terror.
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  The Romans the massacre of the thing, I feel like that was
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  Niche even at the time. Yeah, they do.
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  That comes across as very Niche. But there's some of the ones
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  that I'm quite Pleased. I mean it took so long to have
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  an official Rasputin story. Oh my God, Peter.
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  Oh well it was extremely recently.
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  Well, it wasn't really rested. It was an element of her, a
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  bigger story, but then other ones like we never had media,
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  which is probably the most widely taught thing.
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  Yeah. There was a Rasputin BBC book.
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  Yes. With Liz show, you sure.
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  Yeah. It's actually a very good
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  Rasputin story with With them. William.
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  Russell, big finish and companion Chronicle, which was
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  that it called The Wanderer. Something like, oh yeah, very
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  snowy cover, that's another good one.
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  I'll see ya where they pull these extras out from.
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  Look at these people. You know what other vo.
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  I mean this is obviously riffing off of if you ever seen them Ben
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  Hur. No, I haven't like so been
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  heard. There's a big like, like seen in
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  a gallery ship where there's a shipwreck and he manages to its
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  lift. This lift it from Ben Hur, V
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  naught is obviously multi-billion.
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  Pound historical epic in. This is like a corner of a ship
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  or corner of the TV. Yeah.
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  Yeah. When they go into a storm in a
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  bit, someone is literally you can see someone is throw buckets
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  of all are at them because you can kind of see it coming from
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  One Direction, you know? I don't know, we think not only
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  about the commentaries and the fact that when one of the actors
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  or one of the commentators get something a bit wrong, They're
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  only is fact that was a particular factor.
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  I was watching the commentary and it's there the director.
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  Sorry, I can't move the director.
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  This story Crystal Barry. And William Russell are adamant
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  that that seen the Shipwreck was on film because of the water,
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  and which tie until we hear de cantel is like, really he's
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  learned his lesson. I think from previous
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  experience, the worst one is and nobody contradiction is Maureen
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  O'Brien. Than the chase.
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  When she's watching the chase, she says in the commentary, you
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  know, the bit where they're on location in episode 1 and
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  victory over the sand dunes. Hmm.
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  Well, that's what Maureen O'Brien that remembers being
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  there she goes. This is the only days filming.
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  I remember Well, after meeting Maureen,
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  O'Brien of the being really sweet.
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  I wouldn't want to contradict Maureen O'Brien.
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  Actually, when I, when I, when I did meet Maureen O'Brien, I got
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  my picture of Maureen and quillian signed by Maureen.
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  She sort of looked at the photo and she went oh it was that
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  sweet creature. It was just me and him, a Lon on
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  a planet. And they was my only friend in
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  the whole world. No, I think.
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  If I didn't, I didn't notice you say boss.
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  Up with Sunday, the sun Beast. Oh, bless her.
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  She obviously had forgotten that you may have watched series to
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  relatively recently. I our they didn't behind the
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  sofas for that, I assume. So, I think they're doing behind
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  the surface for most of the see we speak now before it had been
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  really before to be pleased. Well, and, you know, is is
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  jelly-filled it, doing it, because she's scathing, whatever
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  she's warm or I can't. I want a bit more positivity
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  than Janet can offer and I get that I think I'm gonna stick
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  that way as well. Yeah.
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  I'm looking for of you changed. Have you changed your opinion
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  now? Yeah.
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  I just talked about Janet Fielding sort of dry humor but I
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  couldn't. But that shouldn't they?
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  When she was like, overly critical of everything else?
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  Like, okay, well, why are you watching this then?
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  You know, I think that her plus Peter Being quite critical.
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  Mmm, I think it needs. No service.
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  Something to go with Katie Manning.
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  Okay, I'm running or I'm rooting.
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  For the fuck that Bonnie's going to be on the, on the, on the
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  behind. The sofa for this.
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  I wish it is going to be on Beyond this officers to.
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  She's I think there's a clip possibly on the trail of a
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  reacting to the web planet. watch guy, but maybe a little,
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  maybe Bonnie will be very Will regard the insect Movement by
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  the doctor who she's all is just as Barbara comes out a few
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  times, doesn't it? Yeah.
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  But when she's been chased around, Nero's, Palace the
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  doctors there, obviously. And he just, he just walks out
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  of an Alcove after she's gone running down the front.
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  So, sorry, I just remembered I've got on my desk here, I'm
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  just waving up to my camera and the Donald cotton novelization
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  of the Romans. Well, yeah.
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  Which have you read it before long?
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  It's letters there. Yes, it's very weird.
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  And I've just written for, and in this particular soon, The
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  doctor sees Barbara but he doesn't recognize what he thinks
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  or Barbara wouldn't be here. I think it's possible.
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  He looks, he sees the woman on the stage.
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  Looks remarkably like Barbara but miss Wright.
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  Wouldn't find yourself in this sort of situation or something
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  like that. You have you seen that the
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  Target Reading? Yes, the crazy cussler's,
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  obviously. So I'm very intrigued to put to
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  join the readers. So there's Louise Jameson.
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  Hm. Who I am.
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  I'm I guess if she's not Barbara she might be the the poisoner.
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  Oh, after something. Yes.
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  Right look, I'll stay yeah. Who also?
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  I remember in the novelization so I think I read it a couple
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  years ago and properly is the mother of the Assassin.
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  That the poisoner woman is that in I think it is.
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  I think that's basically like a conceit to be able to get a
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  letter sent from one character to another Fair dues.
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  Okay, I'm very, I really like, I mean, I get that at the time
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  when the targets were coming out in the eighties, you couldn't
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  watch the stories, so you would want it to be quite close to
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  what was on the screen. But reading now the most
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  rewarding ones, the ones that differ quite a lot.
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  I agree with and actually, yeah, the ones, the ones that are just
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  like the script. It's the few.
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  He said she said, I mean, the Terrence ones are great and they
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  were fantastic. They are like brilliant in terms
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  of how they were in everything, but I think that reading it them
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  in 2022 and which one rested in the experiment or what if we
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  got, we've got the throne has, which is quite expect.
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  The gunfights is as well fires and the mythmakers as brilliant,
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  because the mythmakers, I think it's told by hormone.
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  So it's really funny, isn't it? You is like I think he's going
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  from Camp to come and sit and sort of accounting.
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  What you seeing any in the Trojan can bend the Greek Town.
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  I remember in that one actually to the Romans because I think at
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  least at all I think it's called all through the one voice.
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  I might be wrong, but I've got a strange early.
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  I've got a strange early 90s sort of book with a silver
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  cover, where it's the got half the gun fires and half.
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  Laughs. Oh yes hair.
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  They did quite a few of those. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well the choose like two stories that complement each other.
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  I think you've got like the robots of death and fear some
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  evil or something like that. It's just like with the latest
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  one that they brought out, you know, the Terrance dicks volume
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  1 and volume 2. And it's just about four novels
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  that you've already got in a new set with a.
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  Yeah, I was desperate to get out of that.
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  My mother went to me. Now, you've already got those
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  but really got them as separate the new hardback.
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  Of toxin in the Daleks or dong Hoon an exciting adventure with
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  the Daleks and The lavishly Illustrated, which has come off.
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  But that I'm getting for Christmas another, I was reading
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  about in Doctor Who magazine that they're going to do that
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  with a few of the plan is, if that sells, well, the do it with
• 17:42
  a few more targets. Oh, I hope so.
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  That would be imagined keys of marinus illustrative.
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  Ah, he's just do the consecutive stories just to Awesome.
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  It's actually something that edge of Destruction in terms of
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  illustrations. You could really got a ton of
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  town with with the because that that I think makes I think the
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  edge of destruction of ization makes the whole and Tardis
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  interior of Stew. Massive.
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  And it's like kind of like Gothic he and steamed.
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  Yeah, and I think that's a Nigel Robinson.
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  One who I think it is. Novelizations flesh, things are
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  just the right amount without veering to forward.
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  Can you say like that's that's quite experimental compared to
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  what you got on the screen and is more rich, but I think some
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  of the latter days of mr. McCoy novels as well, that
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  remembrance of the Daleks and curse of fenric, they're really
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  strong as well. Although it's probably worth
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  remembering that the the ones that are authentic to what's on
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  screen for the ones for the stories that are missing.
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  That's a really nice representation of what we're not
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  going to see some of my probable snowmen. - well yeah yeah yeah.
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  Well I think it's very interesting when you see how
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  like the modern like twice Upon a Time was one and I've never
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  heard that. It was any good.
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  It's very I'm overthinking. I loved it.
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  And that's a very Terrence Dixie type 1 but in a quite a causing
• 19:14
  we're in that it was like embellished in certain areas but
• 19:17
  it's basically what you get on the screen whereas The Day of
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  the Doctor Water is the most Moffat thing you could possibly
• 19:25
  read. That's why I love.
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  Or was it like the play age? See that are?
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  Yes. It's very tall through various
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  neural. Net has not been raised.
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  You think in all this sort of thing I'm sure is like,
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  devilishly clever. I bet it's really good.
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  I went to. That's what if I told you I
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  shall went to like, like, it seems that there's the turn
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  sticks tribute at Riverside Studios.
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  Oh yeah. Yeah, it was there speaking and
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  I think he he spoke about the doctor did the doctor
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  novelization. I was only that I could only be
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  there for about two hours and I got to go with.
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  It was a trance try and zoom off at mentioned about you brought
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  Dave the doctor the novelization knowing right.
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  This is my last time writing anything Doctor Who going to go
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  completely to hell with that. Go completely off the rails,
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  it's going to be absolutely batshit crazy and And I think he
• 20:23
  was quite happy with what you did, but I think it is, it's not
• 20:27
  very restrained. And I think that use like, right
• 20:30
  the last Doctor Who whatever their greatest hits.
• 20:34
  So I remember Rusty Davis and Stephen Mafia we got well off
• 20:39
  the Ralph of demons a, but who cares?
• 20:41
  This is interesting. They were interviewing each
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  other and Rusty Davison. I live every day of the doctor
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  and it was not the smartest cleverest and funnest
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  Novelization I've ever read and I thought well, that done with
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  rose. Are basically just written
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  what's on the screen. And there's David Mafra it goes.
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  Well I red rose and he went and I thought this is such a
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  brilliant elaboration of what was on the screen.
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  Why the hell have? I gone batshit crazy with David.
• 21:08
  Yeah, we both liked each other's approaches.
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  I love the Russell T. Did I love the one of rules?
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  And the fact that I think it gave Mickey a bit more mmm,
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  Mickey's little group of friends and everything.
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  And I love the fact that the London, I come spin off of its
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  hinges and end up in the Thames. Yeah.
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  What kind of rumors? I've completely lost and at the
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  story only wonderful, Derek Francis, Has there ever been a
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  horny, a character and Doctor Who the ribosome cup?
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  I think she was in conville of monsters and Another three child
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  or something, but imagine it would be a lot of fun, her in
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  the Romans, imagine her. She chased having another
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  adventure with that thing, Nero's, just walked off, and
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  he's talking to River Song in the Next Room.
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  Imagine flail about these things but with her chasing Nero
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  because that's what happened, River Song, various.
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  And I, when I said that box, it was coming out.
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  I was like, oh, I ran out of ideas.
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  If you listen to her, I know yet.
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  So I'm gonna really like, especially the one with I quite
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  like the, the web of fear one, but obviously the poor guy who
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  thinks Pastor women who played Soldier.
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  Yeah, doesn't sound an awful lot like you did when he was 30, is
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  50 years later and that other thing, it's very convincing that
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  it's offset in between but I love the, the idea of these
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  little adventures in between in the middle of the revengers.
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  You know, you said earlier about the celebrity Chuckles.
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  This is the first one. Isn't it really having loon?
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  I such a bully. Yeah, it's you've got well I
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  suppose you got morkul Paul or oh sorry.
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  Yeah, it's calling the popo Louis hate.
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  This is a one were I think it's almost like right way making a
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  celebrity. It's like that is what is really
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  the way that he's with the doctors of Marco Polo's quite a
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  bit. Like I watch this Savage.
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  Doing taking my Caravan aware wants to get away.
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  Doesn't he wear his here? Yeah here he's just like he's
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  like Christopher Eccleston in that handsome cab with Charles
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  Dickens. Oh and I'm quite then.
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  Sing is quite a fun. It's like this is Just you just
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  it's just reveling in the chance to be there.
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  It's really hard or just said he's going.
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  I can't imagine. They were talking to me.
• 24:08
  No it must be a case of mistaken identity as well and then they
• 24:12
  found a body in a shit were indeed the same actor and let's
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  just have the knees. Yeah, it's gonna pay him for two
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  weeks worth. I mean there are stories you
• 24:27
  know the dominators without double of pad.
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  Trout and out on location in the carrying the bomb.
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  Yeah. All this I think this is quite a
• 24:37
  nice subplot with Ian and I forget the fellows name.
• 24:41
  They lost they lost. I feel like I've recognized.
• 24:44
  Well, what else is that the actor being in Doctor Who?
• 24:48
  Yes, I know, Space Museum. He's one of the guys with the
• 24:55
  crazy Buffon her But that one, isn't it scaredy-cat one?
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  But I think as a fight with a and that's right.
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  Yeah. Like when you try to get the
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  Tardis. Yeah, yeah, history.
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  Which is actually a warning, a few weeks later in terms of
• 25:13
  ASCII Pete, have you ever seen such terrifying stock footage of
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  lions? Well, the the just minding their
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  own business art that are low. I'll bless the court finds one
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  piece of stock. Footage to that's quite menacing
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  enough to the just think, right? Let's just get full very quick.
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  Shot in quick succession. Just cut to William Russell
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  because he'll sell it. You know?
• 25:38
  Well, I completely lost what was happening in the Romans and acts
• 25:41
  are so busy listening to you and talking with you.
• 25:44
  I will try and keep us on track and episode free, if I can.
• 25:48
  Are you ready to do that? Yes, let's not do it.
• 25:52
  Let's do it. Footage to that's quite menacing
• 25:29
  enough to the just think, right? Let's just get full very quick.
• 25:31
  Shot in quick succession. Just cut to William Russell
• 25:34
  because he'll sell it. You know?
• 25:38
  Well, I completely lost what was happening in the Romans and acts
• 25:41
  are so busy listening to you and talking with you.
• 25:44
  I will try and keep us on track and episode free, if I can.
• 25:48
  Are you ready to do that? Yes, let's not do it.
• 25:52
  Let's do it.