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Happy Hour #94: This is the Way? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't alcome to stephone.
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  Speaker 1: Never told you productually, I high radio and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of a happy Hour. As always, if you
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  Speaker 1: choose to do so, please drink responsibly. And yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: are you sipping on, Samantha. So I'm keeping it simple
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  Speaker 1: with my vodka Seltzer water that I'm not naming the
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  Speaker 1: brand because I don't know if they're a good brand,
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  Speaker 1: but I enjoy their drinks. I do know they're like
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  Speaker 1: a big corporate type of brand. It is watermelon flavored.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting because it's kind of like a rainy
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  Speaker 1: November day here it is, I know, any like light
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  Speaker 1: fruity Seltzer feels like it should be summer. But it's
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  Speaker 1: good for me, especially because it's not exactly happy our
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  Speaker 1: time in real time ourselves. So I'm keeping it low key. Yes, yes, uh.
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  Speaker 1: And as you're listening to this, Um, the midterm elections
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  Speaker 1: have just happens, and so we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about that, but just no, we know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we're grappling with things. Um, yeah, and we'll be
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  Speaker 1: we'll be talking about it, I'm sure for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I am drinking margarita, which I guess is also not
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  Speaker 1: super weather on point, but stacious and refreshing. And it
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  Speaker 1: is actually hot my closet because these lights. She gets
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  Speaker 1: very hot. I do get very hot, and I'm a
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  Speaker 1: cold natured person, right, yeah, but it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: small space. And also, as I've told Samantha, this episode
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  Speaker 1: is probably gonna get me all riled up, so she's
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  Speaker 1: been preparing. I have been preparing, and in fact, this
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  Speaker 1: outline a little peek behind the scenes. Normally we do
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  Speaker 1: a much more structured outline unless it's something super conversational.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that I have just done bullet points
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  Speaker 1: randomly for months. Um, so it's just kind of a
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  Speaker 1: hodgepodge of emotions from me. There's a lot of question
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  Speaker 1: marks and exclamation points in this outline. There are, and
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  Speaker 1: I do want to preface this in a multiple multiple ways. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So number one, I think we should come back and
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  Speaker 1: talk about this more in depth. I know not everyone
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  Speaker 1: will be excited about that, but I will be, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes that's all that matters. Two, there's two reasons I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this, which is we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about my thoughts around toxic masculinity and Mandalorians from Star
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  Speaker 1: wars Field. I have so many feels we can't even
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep this short, but believe me, this
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  Speaker 1: could be a fifteen hour mini series. So there are
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  Speaker 1: two reasons this was not my mind. Um. One is
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  Speaker 1: my mom, my sweet mom, when we were recently hanging out,
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  Speaker 1: asked me what she thought would be a simple question,
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  Speaker 1: which is what is a Mandalorian? And thirty minutes later
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  Speaker 1: she was like, oh really, I was literally going on
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  Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, Um, because it's complicated. It's complicated. And also,
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  Speaker 1: when I was recently at Dragon Con, not one but
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  Speaker 1: two men told me the whole reason they didn't like
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  Speaker 1: Book of Boba Fette, which I have plenty of issues with,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole reason they didn't like it was because
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  Speaker 1: Boba Fette took off his helmet. And this just got
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  Speaker 1: my brain turning. I got my thoughts, my feminist thoughts
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  Speaker 1: were going. Samantha. I was like, that's interesting. I also
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  Speaker 1: have to say I held back from doing the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: most annoying well actually because is not a Mandalorian. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine if I said that, Oh my god, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been very, very terrible. So also to
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  Speaker 1: preface this, I do love Mandalorians. You can critique things
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  Speaker 1: you love. I think that that's totally legitimate. But I
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  Speaker 1: think this this idea of the Mandalorian which if you're
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  Speaker 1: not clear, and it is confusing, as it took thirty
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  Speaker 1: minutes for me to even try to explain this to
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  Speaker 1: my mom. Basically, they are a people, a creed. I've
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  Speaker 1: mistakenly said race before. They're not a race. They're they're
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  Speaker 1: like a people or creed. Um. That's where the resinal
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  Speaker 1: there or basically like the six tenants of being a Mandalorian. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So anybody can do it if you possess the there's
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  Speaker 1: a word, there's a Mandalorian word for Bandokar or something. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But so so anybody could do it. Um. They do
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  Speaker 1: have a planet Mandalore was destroyed by the Empire, who
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  Speaker 1: they had worked with. Their armor is like sacred to them.
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  Speaker 1: Weapons are their religion. As they say, they're very warrior,
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  Speaker 1: combat type of people. They respect things like that. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And it is one of those things where, oh gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I can talk about this for so long. But basically,
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  Speaker 1: like I do, I see a lot of women, especially
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  Speaker 1: in fan fiction romanticizing kind of that like strong man
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  Speaker 1: with the you know under the armor can't be touched.
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  Speaker 1: Is that he's emotionally distant, has a lot of responsibilities,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of emotions, just ruminating all aside. Yes, that
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  Speaker 1: kind of brooding uh shell that maybe you can crack
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  Speaker 1: or maybe he's the one you gotta fix exactly doesn't
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  Speaker 1: love fixing men. I know, and I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: have a whole other episode coming out about that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it is kind of that idea. And this
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  Speaker 1: isn't new. We talked about this on this show a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that the fact that two men told
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  Speaker 1: me that's what bothered them about Book of Bubba Fett
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  Speaker 1: really struck me because essentially then it becomes I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: really considered the idea of here is a character who
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  Speaker 1: and I'm speaking of the Mandalorian specifically here, um, but
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  Speaker 1: here's a character who doesn't remove his helmet, who speaks
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  Speaker 1: in kind of a monotone through a modulator voice modulator,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't remove his armor. And that is such a like
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  Speaker 1: physical costuming representation of this idea of like the stowitz
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  Speaker 1: ism of like no one can know you if you
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  Speaker 1: have to be strong you have to be no one
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  Speaker 1: can hurt you like this. And the fact that that's
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: what made them mad about that whole show is that
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  Speaker 1: he showed his face. I find very fascinating. Right to me,
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  Speaker 1: I need to know, because I was like, is it really, Pascal?
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  Speaker 1: Is it is it? And then I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it is. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming it's a stand. In the entire time, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, And I just like that whole thing
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  Speaker 1: of that you won't show anybody your face, And then
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  Speaker 1: you get him with this, you know, super cute little baby,
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  Speaker 1: and he's starting to show cracks in his shell. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who commits genn A side by the way, Look, don't
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  Speaker 1: get me started all that everybody, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what is happening? Why does no one? Why is everyone
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  Speaker 1: okay with this? Why is mama like that's okay? I
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  Speaker 1: gotta love. I love for people who haven't seen this show,
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  Speaker 1: you're listening like, what are you talking about? Exactly exactly
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  Speaker 1: And and you know I made this joke before, but
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: Patro Pascal, who plays Mandalorian, is playing Joel from the
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  Speaker 1: last About in the upcoming show, and it's a similar thing,
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  Speaker 1: and we've talked about that where there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of forgiveness we're willing to give,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of ground we're willing to give, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like frankly, fan love we're willing to
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  Speaker 1: give to this male character who's so stoic, who's wearing
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  Speaker 1: this mask, like you can't know so strong. What does
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  Speaker 1: he say in the trailer? He says in the game too,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't know what lass he is? Like he does,
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  Speaker 1: she does exactly, she does, she does exactly, And we're
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  Speaker 1: so like, but he's so sweet though he's been through
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  Speaker 1: so much, Like we're so ready to really forgive that,
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  Speaker 1: and especially in this space. I mean, women do it
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  Speaker 1: in fan fiction. I've seen it, I've read it, I've
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  Speaker 1: written it, like I get it, but I've also like
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  Speaker 1: men seem to do it in terms of and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to say everybody, but it's like maybe these
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  Speaker 1: men specifically we're talking about the mask, like they do
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  Speaker 1: it when they see that character. It's almost like that's
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  Speaker 1: his positive is that he's you know, emotionally cut off, untouchable, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He's so stoic, you can't see his face, but he's
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  Speaker 1: still being kind to this child who is so innocent
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  Speaker 1: and heavy quotes like the most innocent thing you can
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  Speaker 1: think of, look Samantha. If I started talking about pro
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  Speaker 1: who slash painter Yoda, I don't know what's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 1: but I think we might be canceled. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like the way Mandalorians are written, which is a very
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  Speaker 1: again warrior class, and there are plenty of women who
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  Speaker 1: are Mandalorians. Don't be wrong, but they have kind of
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  Speaker 1: a more masculine vibe. I've seen a lot of hypocrisy
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  Speaker 1: and how they judge people judge Mandalorians versus how they
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  Speaker 1: judge like anything else anybody else in Star wars Um,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's the exact Sainct scenario, and it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of something where I think it's this idea. It's the
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  Speaker 1: same idea where we're very, very willing to accept violence
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  Speaker 1: as a form of showing love or compassion or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: especially this kind of masculine way of of being violent
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps beings it off. It's just all daddy issues,
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  Speaker 1: It is all of it. I mean, he's got like
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  Speaker 1: a trigger loose where you're just trying to set me off. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and just like I'm not gonna lie. I
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  Speaker 1: finished she Hulk last night, and I can come back
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  Speaker 1: and talk about that. But she was right, she was right.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't And I actually did want to bring that
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  Speaker 1: up because you and I both talked about how I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of hesitant to say I liked it at
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  Speaker 1: first because I had heard so many negative things about it.
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  Speaker 1: So awesome, I don't understand it's it's it's very very fun,
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  Speaker 1: it's very very new feeling. I feel like it did
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of things where I was like, as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: like yes, yes, yes, and then it definitely has his
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  Speaker 1: problems and we are going to come back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. But I was afraid to say I liked
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  Speaker 1: it because I'd heard all these negative things about it.
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  Speaker 1: I really thought was going to be one of the
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  Speaker 1: worst shows ever. My expectations were. Lona came in and
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  Speaker 1: both my partner and I, who he is a critic,
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  Speaker 1: we're dying laughing throughout and getting all of the jokes
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  Speaker 1: because it was so too real. It too real. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't wait till we talked about I.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up in this conversation, because
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  Speaker 1: I do think I have also heard mostly men, but
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  Speaker 1: some women who feel much more comfortable being more vocal
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  Speaker 1: about liking something that is masculine coded. And I would
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  Speaker 1: say that Mandalorian is very masculine coded. And then isn't
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalorian in itself kind of the beginning of like
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  Speaker 1: the men who are like, yes, I've been waiting for
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  Speaker 1: this bounty hunter to be the man who couldn't survive,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: like he didn't survive on the damn movies, barely barely
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  Speaker 1: survived in the Oh don't give me, oh my God,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: don't get me started on both fit anyway. Yes, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm talking about, though. That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things like I really like the Mandalorian. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very enjoyable. But one of the things that never
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  Speaker 1: really worked for me is I felt like they were
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  Speaker 1: telegraphing too hard that he's the best, most amazing bounty
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  Speaker 1: hunter river and I was like, but is he because
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  Speaker 1: he keeps failing, especially he got back, but it makes
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: him an interesting character. There's nothing wrong with that, but
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  Speaker 1: they were trying too hard to be like, he's this
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  Speaker 1: Western guy, he's got no feelings he's so tough, like
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  Speaker 1: they were just trying too hard to tell me who
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  Speaker 1: he was instead of actually doing the work of showing
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  Speaker 1: me who he is. And um, I have heard so
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  Speaker 1: many men who I feel like when they tell me
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  Speaker 1: why they like the Mandalorian, it's almost become a sort
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  Speaker 1: of red flag for me, like nothing, you're wrong, which again,
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  Speaker 1: I love the show. I love the show. I it's
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  Speaker 1: just when I hear certain praise of it where I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I think you might be missing the point, which, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, is one of my big critiques of New
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars stuff, and especially how I think people misunderstood,
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  Speaker 1: mostly men, the end of Return the Jedi. But I'll
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  Speaker 1: just hear these guys talk about it like, oh, he
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  Speaker 1: took off his mask. He's that means it's not worth watching,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know that you're upholding the thing that
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  Speaker 1: you should be upholding, which it sounds like it's very toxic.
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  Speaker 1: Stoic masculinity doesn't give show any emotions, and when he does,
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  Speaker 1: he should be so rewarded that he did. Right. Why yeah,
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  Speaker 1: why are we giving accolades to someone who just finally
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  Speaker 1: shows that they care so compassion and empathy should be
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  Speaker 1: awarded if it's minimal, apparently, and if you're hostile and
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  Speaker 1: abusive before and you change to have one inkling of it,
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  Speaker 1: then you will now get a crown. Yes, And this
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  Speaker 1: is not unique to the Mandalorian at all, Like we
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  Speaker 1: see this all the time. I feel like this is
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  Speaker 1: in romance all the time, of the woman who wears
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  Speaker 1: the man down, because it's this level of this conversation
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  Speaker 1: of women fighting for men to help them to become
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  Speaker 1: the better man, and that's supposed to be the end
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  Speaker 1: all instead of them just being good men, right, and
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  Speaker 1: so heteronormative but very much so. And also like we
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  Speaker 1: don't have time to talking about this today, but I
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: was thinking about that in terms of that means like
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: you could translate that to mean we still infantilize women
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  Speaker 1: because we're putting them in this childish role of you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a cute baby Yoda doing it, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's like a young woman who's doing it, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: very much this innocent character who brings this really stoic,
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  Speaker 1: traumatized man out of his shell. And as we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about before, like we have such different standards for women
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  Speaker 1: in that role, Like if the Mandalorian was a woman,
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  Speaker 1: there'd be way more judgments about her skills as a parent. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she sent him to fix an electric thing or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't there a whole thing with the woman Mantalorian who
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  Speaker 1: came in and already had her mask off, like her
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  Speaker 1: being too emotional? Yes? Yes, And I have a whole
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  Speaker 1: I have a whole thing about like Jedi Vandalorian relationships
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like Jedi really teachers and they've been
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  Speaker 1: really feminized and the Mandalorians have been really mascinalized. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess who's still standing neither ones? So that
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  Speaker 1: that is, I know, truth, truth painful. It's painful. Um.
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  Speaker 1: There's also an interesting saying that Mandalorians have so gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I have gone so deep down the rabbit hole. But
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  Speaker 1: I know, like the mandalorin marriage vowels, okay, and they
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  Speaker 1: are they were supposed to be married, supposed to be Mandalorians. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mandalorians are all about like and their according
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  Speaker 1: rituals are all about combat and proving and like you're
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  Speaker 1: so worthy. But they they're final phrase in their um
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  Speaker 1: wedding vowels or we will raise warriors, and then they
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  Speaker 1: have a saying like, no one judges you by your father,
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  Speaker 1: only the father you will be, which I find really
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  Speaker 1: interesting because also they're very hypocrital. They don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But again, going back to those daddy issues, I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of wondering if the people who like made this mythos
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  Speaker 1: of the Mandalorians. I've said it before, I've said it
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  Speaker 1: begin a suspect they might have had some true with
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  Speaker 1: their parents, and you know, it could just be they
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  Speaker 1: were trying to do a like a Darth Vader kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. But I don't think so. I don't maybe
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, though I will say we are
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  Speaker 1: preparing while I've been preparing episodes on religious trauma outside
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  Speaker 1: of family drama. Star Wars is a huge religious trauma
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  Speaker 1: and Mandalorians, especially the Creed that the Mandalorian into jar
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  Speaker 1: and follows, is very religious trauma that is oof oof um.
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  Speaker 1: So there is that level of feeling like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've been raised in this system that's telling you you
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  Speaker 1: can't show your face, you can't give your name, you
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  Speaker 1: can't be your true self, which I think you could
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  Speaker 1: make an argument about like the patriarchy and that will
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  Speaker 1: I do it, yes, but not right now. I have
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  Speaker 1: a note here that is telling me to stop getting
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: so mad. That is so funny I wrote it down.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because I know, I know, Star Wars
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: fans are really passionate and people have really strong opinions
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  Speaker 1: about these things. I have very strong opinions about these things.
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  Speaker 1: It often devolves into a Mandalorian versus Jedi thing, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I'm trying not to do that right here, but oh
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  Speaker 1: boy could I? Um, I don't think this means by
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  Speaker 1: any any stretch that Mandalorians deserved what the Empire did
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  Speaker 1: to them. That was very complicated. We talked about it
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  Speaker 1: that in our Setine Crees episode kind of some of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the dynamics they are, and also Sabine Sebtine and Sabine different. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so if you if you want to check that out
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  Speaker 1: for sure, Um, but I guess, like mostly I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of perplexed that those dudes said that to me. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: really was sort of shocked that that was their reason
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  Speaker 1: they it, And like the entire show is that he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: took off his helmet, And then I'm kind of annoyed
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  Speaker 1: at the free pass we seem to give these you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of stoic men who might be nice sometimes compared
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  Speaker 1: to women or I I don't know. Like again, I
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  Speaker 1: like this, I really like that. I've written it, I've
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  Speaker 1: read it, I get it. But we do seem as
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  Speaker 1: as a society to be like, oh yeah, I love him.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's kind of a jerk, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: do that for a lot of other like women or
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: things like that. So those are my thoughts. I have
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  Speaker 1: a lot I could keep. I will revisit this one day,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. But I didn't get I'm gonna be so tit, Samantha.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so tit the whole time. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we will revisit it then. Um. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with me and for listening. People
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Cheers, cheers to you. Cheers yes, yes, yes.
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