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I Am All In…Again: Feeling Displaced in Stars Hollow (Season 3 E17 “A Tale of Poes and Fire”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again. Oh, Let's kiss you. I
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  Speaker 1: Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
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  Speaker 1: of the love productions iHeart Media Radio, I Heart Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Recap episode seventeen, Season three, A Tale of Pose and
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  Speaker 1: fire Man. I tell you. Olivia Hack is here. She
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  Speaker 1: is a dynamic actress.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about that, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: She is Captain Picard's daughter in Star Trek Generations nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four and followed by starring as Cindy Brady in
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  Speaker 1: the iconic Brady Bunch movie and a Very Brady sequel.
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  Speaker 1: She's a successful voice over actor in several shows including Rondon, Hey, Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: Chloe and Brat's Avatar, The Last Airbender, and several other
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  Speaker 1: animated series, and she was Rory's roommate during her freshman year.
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  Speaker 1: Tana season four, episode eight, Welcome back, Olivia Hack to
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  Speaker 1: the show to recap this episode. How you doing, I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing good?
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. We are still chugging along here
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  Speaker 1: at I Am all In and this aired. This episode
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  Speaker 1: aired April fifteenth, two thousand and three. Edgar Allen Post
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  Speaker 1: Society is in town, but a big fire disrupts their stay.
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  Speaker 1: Dragon the Dragonfly or the Independence in the Independence end
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  Speaker 1: catches fire. Rory makes a big decision about college. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Jess gets recognition at work, and Luke and Suki are
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  Speaker 1: behind the counter getting along making meals together. Chris Long
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  Speaker 1: directed Daniel Palladino writes it, Rory is making her pro
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  Speaker 1: con list for Harvard, Princeton, Yale. I think Princeton really
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  Speaker 1: took it on the chin in this episode. I tell you,
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  Speaker 1: Luke shares news. There's all kinds of things happening Olivia.
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  Speaker 2: Overall.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of the episode?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's actually kind of an important episode.
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  Speaker 2: I like the general chaos of the episode for sure,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, moralized, displaced. She ends up spending the night
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  Speaker 2: at Luke's, which I think is kind of important. There's
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  Speaker 2: there's strangely not a lot of filler in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we kind of learned that Jess is maybe
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  Speaker 2: not all on the up and up. The in burns
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  Speaker 2: down at the end, which is very important. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of where Rory spent so much of her time, and
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  Speaker 2: now she's being you know, pushed on to the next
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  Speaker 2: phase for life. So there's there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: in this episode. It's kind of a big one.
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  Speaker 1: Right, not your traditional Gilmore Girls episode. There was the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the it's rare that you see crises of
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  Speaker 1: this nature, you know, the fire that's a that's a
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  Speaker 1: big that's not like a big network drama sort of
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  Speaker 1: storyline that found itself oddly in this episode, and it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I thought two ways about it. It felt
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  Speaker 1: really out of place. It didn't feel like Gilmore We
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  Speaker 1: lose a tremendous amount of intimacy and this sort of
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  Speaker 1: closed in safe world. All of a sudden, it's not
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  Speaker 1: safe anymore. There's a fire, there's we're we're dealing with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, potential injury and death here now. So this
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  Speaker 1: is not something that Gilmore Girl really Gilmore Girls really does.
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  Speaker 2: You know. What really didn't feel like Gilmore Girls to
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  Speaker 2: me was when Luke goes to this Walmart meeting. It
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  Speaker 2: just is having because obviously in the show they talk
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  Speaker 2: about pop culture things, but to actually be in a
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  Speaker 2: Walmart area with everybody in their blue vests, I was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, wholl We're really I have to start
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  Speaker 2: follow here? For a second. It felt very kind of
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  Speaker 2: not in a bad way, but it was definitely blaring,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because Luke is so opposed to anything that has
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  Speaker 1: anything to do with you know, corporate capture and that
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  Speaker 1: kind of a thing, but he's got to support his nephew,
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  Speaker 1: so I see the dilemma there. Yeah, it wasn't the rollicking.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like your borsch belt comedian that is in disguise,
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  Speaker 1: which is Laura like Gilmore going through her very harmless day,
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  Speaker 1: being incredibly funny and dropping truth bombs and comedy bombs
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  Speaker 1: everywhere she goes like bred Crumb. So I could just
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it. That wasn't this episode.
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  Speaker 2: No, And it ends on a real want won't you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a not a great ending, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's if you're into it, it's a real kind of
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  Speaker 2: tear drinker ending.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, yeah it was when you think of it,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to take the show out
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  Speaker 1: of its little snow globe bubble and put it into
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  Speaker 1: the real world where real world things are happening. It
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  Speaker 1: was intriguing, but I wanted to get back. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: it to get back in that snow globe real fast.
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  Speaker 1: But once once you see a fire truck and there's
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, there's fire consciousness, it's hard to it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to put it back in the snow globe.
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  Speaker 2: After that, Yeah, you felt a little displaced.
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  Speaker 1: You felt a little displaced. And now Miss Patty's has
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  Speaker 1: turned into a crisis center where they're you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: answering false It was just it was odd. It was
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  Speaker 1: an odd little forty minutes for me.
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  Speaker 2: It is odd. It doesn't and it's funny because I
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  Speaker 2: was reading a little bit on the internet. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of people love this episode. This is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people top five episode. To me? Is that because yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe because there is drama in it, but and
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we do get some resolution where she finally
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  Speaker 2: makes the decision between Harvard and Yale. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where Laura Lai got all those all that Yale to
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  Speaker 2: court in the middle of the night, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes we just have to have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: TV suspension of disbelief, you know. And I think people
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  Speaker 2: like seeing Laura supporting Rory in that way, even though
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  Speaker 2: she didn't want her to go to Yale because it
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  Speaker 2: was you know, her dad's alma mater and whatnot. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is. It is definitely an odd episode. When I
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  Speaker 2: watched it, I hadn't seen it in twenty years or
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  Speaker 2: twenty five years whenever it aired. I feel what you're feeling.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like Gilmour. Not to say it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: Just no, no, no, no no. But I think in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, in my experience and how I relate to
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  Speaker 1: and love this show, I think it is it is
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  Speaker 1: misrepresent in it as a dramaedy. It's really a comedy drama.
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  Speaker 1: I think it operates best as a comedy with some
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  Speaker 1: drama in it, not as a drama with some comedy
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  Speaker 1: in it. And that's what I think that this this
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  Speaker 1: sort of like this, this pulled a one eighty on
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  Speaker 1: us and flipped the script a little bit. So it was.
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  Speaker 2: Heavy, even with Jess not we find out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to school and all that. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was it was a it is a heavier episode, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It is, right, and that kind of left
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  Speaker 1: even some of the comedy bits and there were still
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them, right, it's it. It's they sort
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  Speaker 1: of almost didn't work in those situations within this narrative
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  Speaker 1: right within this structure, now, within this upside down world.
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  Speaker 2: And no, and there's not even that much comedy in
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  Speaker 2: this episode.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a lot. Not no, there's it was really
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  Speaker 1: wanting for comedy. Well listen, uh gosh, I mean just
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  Speaker 1: hard to do, right, I mean, imagine imagine the pressure
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  Speaker 1: of writing fifty great jokes every single week, no, no
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  Speaker 1: exhaust Like I'm empty this week. You know, let's uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's burn the place down. Let's literally burn it down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we do see Luke and Wareli get closer
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  Speaker 2: in this episode, right, she spends the night over there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and she's telling him her dream and he's
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  Speaker 2: obviously in his feelings about that. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think there are big moments that happen, which I think
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  Speaker 2: is why people like that. But they definitely cram it
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  Speaker 2: all into this one, so I think then they can't
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  Speaker 2: get back to the comedy. They're like, let's just do.
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  Speaker 1: It all at once, you know, right right, they're setting
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  Speaker 1: up all this potential conflict between Lindsay and Rory and
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  Speaker 1: Nicole and Laurel.
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  Speaker 2: I well, I think that's the whole title of the episode, right,
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  Speaker 2: the two posts. So we've got murder and Yale, Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: and Nicole, Rory's growing con list. They're really you know,
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  Speaker 2: even Luke and Lorelei kind of are Luke and Suki
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  Speaker 2: kind of banding together. She's very adorable. Yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot going on. It's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca shares, you know, you congratulates Rory with getting
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  Speaker 1: into Harvard, gives her that awkward hug, and then after
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  Speaker 1: she leaves, shares the news of just becoming employee of
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  Speaker 1: the month at Walmart with larele I, and I just felt,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just kind of felt this chasm
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  Speaker 1: between them. It it was almost awkward, you know, her
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  Speaker 1: reaction to you know, oh that's great, that's just great,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you're really having to put on And
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know, honestly, Olivia, I couldn't tell if
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  Speaker 1: she was being genuine.
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  Speaker 2: You know what. I couldn't either. It's funny you say that,
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  Speaker 2: because I clocked that moment as well. But I think
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  Speaker 2: she was, you know, I mean, this is Jess we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about, right, So I think anything positive in his
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  Speaker 2: life she's feeling, you know, why not be supportive? But yes,
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  Speaker 2: it is very weird to see Walmart kind of instead
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  Speaker 2: of just being talked about, coming to it as an
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  Speaker 2: actual physical location, it was it was glaring for me.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you never see you know, you never really
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  Speaker 2: see Rory and the Lorelei out in the world that's
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  Speaker 2: not stars hollow, so it's or looked for that matter.
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  Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's just it's like, oh, they're literally
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  Speaker 2: a Walmart right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I think her reaction was tinged with her very
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  Speaker 1: thinly veiled disapproval of the relationship overall between her daughter
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  Speaker 1: and Jess. I don't think she likes it happen right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: get her to Yale, get her out of here, get
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  Speaker 1: her away from this guy, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, can you blame her?
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  Speaker 1: No, I do not blame her at all. I do
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  Speaker 1: not blame her for a second. I mean, he is.
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  Speaker 2: He's always the cute ones.
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  Speaker 1: He's a he's a he's an angry kid. He's he's
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  Speaker 1: really just wow, trying to figure it out. He's in
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  Speaker 1: a not in a good place, but trying, but trying.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta get credit he's trying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't wish a seventeen year old boy on anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be clear, so then this issue of Luke finds
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  Speaker 1: out through his justice Walmart boss that Luke's just putting
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  Speaker 1: in forty forty five hours a week. How's that possible?
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  Speaker 1: How can he go to school, work a job, work
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  Speaker 1: at the diner Date Royal. There's just not enough hours
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  Speaker 1: in the day.
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  Speaker 2: So then Luke's really lying to himself there. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's no way he would not he wouldn't do that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So then you know there's there's some red flags
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  Speaker 1: there because if he's missing school, that's trouble, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So now Paris has not been on the scene there
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  Speaker 1: Chilton for five days, so Rory goes here. She's depressed,
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  Speaker 1: she's in bed, she's watching soap opera. She's just kind
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  Speaker 1: of giving up, and Rory convinces her that there are
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  Speaker 1: other choices. What do you think of this scene?
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  Speaker 2: So it's funny because going on to the heaviness of
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  Speaker 2: the episode, that's also kind of a heavy scene. Although
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  Speaker 2: if we're going to talk about comedic moments in that episode,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of one of the ones. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: did find it funny that she is just completely laid
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  Speaker 2: out because she didn't get into her school pick and
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  Speaker 2: then also laid back the interview that she did with
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  Speaker 2: the school administer administrator, and you can completely see why
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  Speaker 2: she watched it. She doesn't sound like she says like
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  Speaker 2: she's on math, but you know, so that scene brought
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  Speaker 2: some levity. But again it is a heavier episode. Everyone's
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  Speaker 2: just kind of in their fields in this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody's facing crises. Yeah all right, So
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  Speaker 1: Rory Is and Laurea I are focused on the pro
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  Speaker 1: con list for Harvard Yale Princeton. Princeton strangely is dubbed
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  Speaker 1: filthy because, as Laureal I speculated, it seems like Harvard
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  Speaker 1: is advertising that they have a cleaning staff or a
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  Speaker 1: supports staff of twelve hundred and and and there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: about that in Princeton literature, so she assumes there's only two.
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  Speaker 1: So they dub it the filthy not terribly fair. I've
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  Speaker 1: been to Princeton. It's very clean. So now we're starting
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  Speaker 1: to get you know, maybe it's not going to be Harvard.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe why are they making this list?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I thought she was so focused on Harvard.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Now we moved to Jess. He comes to
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  Speaker 1: Lane to check on Rory, and she, you know, she
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  Speaker 1: confronts him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she clocked it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, hey, you know, are you lying to me?
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  Speaker 1: Are you? Am I lying to my mother? Like what's
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  Speaker 1: what's happening here? You know, be honest with me.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, don't worry, baby girl, everything's.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, right right, I got it under control. Yeah. It
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  Speaker 1: takes me. It takes them hours to absorb this stuff
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  Speaker 1: takes me minutes. So we know he's smart. He's a
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  Speaker 1: very bright kid. He just needs money, he just needs
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  Speaker 1: to work. And I think he's working to get the
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  Speaker 1: heck out of Stars Hollow for sure, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: who knows what plans he has for Rory? All right, Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: another great bit with Sean Gun with his and the
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  Speaker 1: very famous and iconic and I see these T shirts
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  Speaker 1: at every convention. I do b Bet eight oatmeal T
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  Speaker 1: shirts hysterically funny.
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  Speaker 2: Do you really see them out?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Like the number one obviously is
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  Speaker 1: the many iterations of the Lukes logoed sweatshirts T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: But Bebbet I see be Bet eight Oatmeal shirts a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny. Now I'm going to clock it.
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  Speaker 1: Great deal, that that really became a go to T shirt,
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  Speaker 1: so he's selling them for around fourteen ninety five with
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  Speaker 1: humorous topical headlines around town. Uh For fourteen ninety five,
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  Speaker 1: uh Suki has taken in a stray cat called Papaya
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  Speaker 1: and says since she's become pregnant, she's become very nurturing,
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  Speaker 1: and Kirk has another topical two shirt called Foe fa
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  Speaker 1: Ux pose foes. All right, So this episode if, if
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  Speaker 1: it's if, if it wasn't on the heavy side, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: did showcase Stars hollow in this sort of light, airy,
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  Speaker 1: delightful way, in congruous though it may have felt, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's in this one. This is a se character of
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  Speaker 2: heavy stars heavy episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no more though, and no tailor. Sure, we don't
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  Speaker 1: see you know the thing? This is what I noticed.
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  Speaker 1: We don't see Taylor enough? Do we not that much?
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  Speaker 1: We don't see I'm gonna I'm gonna look up how
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  Speaker 1: many episodes he did, because it doesn't seem like he's
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  Speaker 1: in enough.
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  Speaker 2: We get some Miss Patty in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: We get some Miss Patty. Why do you think here's
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  Speaker 1: a question for you, Olivia, why do you think that
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  Speaker 1: Babbett eight Oatmeal became such an iconic slogan for Gilmore.
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  Speaker 2: This is news to me. I did not know this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm this today. I was today years old when I
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  Speaker 2: when I learned this, I don't know. It's you never
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  Speaker 2: quite know what people pick up on, right, You never
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  Speaker 2: know what's going to be the the iconic line. But uh,
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  Speaker 2: I guess because it's on a shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Babet eight oatmeal is really a testament to the sort
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  Speaker 1: of absurd nature of you know, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: babet is almost and More are almost like the married couple,
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  Speaker 1: the married Kirks. It's like they're sort of in the
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  Speaker 1: same like they're from the same plant.
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  Speaker 2: It almost absolutely you know, they're.
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  Speaker 1: Like out there, man, but they they they know each other.
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  Speaker 1: So uh and I crack Staff over here says that
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  Speaker 1: Taylor was only in fifty three episodes, so he was
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  Speaker 1: in a third of the episodes. And I'm really surprised
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  Speaker 1: by that.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty three is a lot though, I mean that's you know, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you want more.
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  Speaker 1: You're a tailor, Stan, I am, I really am. I
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  Speaker 1: love I love working with I just love working all right. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into this. Uh this Edgar Allen Poe Society
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  Speaker 1: which exists all over random, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean real random. Like we start off the
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  Speaker 2: open the episode with them basically watching this pole play
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  Speaker 2: and kind of ripping into it. They're both don't seem
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  Speaker 2: to be a girl and Poe.
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  Speaker 1: Fans and uh, although Laurel I does display a pretty
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  Speaker 1: in depth knowledge of his work.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they know all about it, but they seem they
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  Speaker 2: feel he's a little long winded and a little uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sauce or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh uh huh. Yeah, So that's that's happening
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  Speaker 1: at Miss Patty's. There are there are two readings of
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  Speaker 1: the Raven by two different pose rival pose, very funny
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  Speaker 1: and they're also uh that's where we see Dean and
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay and Lindsay giving Rory dirty looks and and uh,
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  Speaker 1: Nicole giving Laura I some looks. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they were so dirty, but they weren't approval.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they weren't kind.
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  Speaker 1: They were not kind.
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  Speaker 2: No, she did lend her a pen, but that's that's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm going to get from her.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you're going to get. And she did make
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  Speaker 1: it a point of saying I'm going to need that back,
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  Speaker 1: implying that you know, you're not going to take my
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  Speaker 1: pen and you're not taking my man no way. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that Lindsay and Nicole have a right to
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  Speaker 1: feel jealous of Rory and LARELEI?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, women and jealousy, that's all very Those are
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: very complex emotions, aren't they, Scott? I mean, oh yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: does anybody have a right to feel jealous of anyone?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: That's all. That's all on you. You got to take
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: ownership of your own insecurity or whatever that is.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when I just I just leave the room.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Are you a jealous person?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I used to be in my younger years, and then
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I just stopped. I just completely stopped.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between jealousy and pedescentness too,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think when I was a you know, teenager,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I was Yeah, I just I just stopped doing it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I just stopped. You know, I got very focused on
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: what I wanted to do in life pretty early, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I just kind of focused on that, and I just
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you got to focus on yourself, you know, reading lately
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: all about this stuff about how you know how powerful
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: your signal has to be and your ability to cut
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: out the noise and to get what you want in life.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've been doing that my whole life.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a time that I was trying
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to navigate the the very choppy seas of relationships and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: paying the price.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's a little frequency, you know.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Right, I so agree. It's it's so draining and such
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a waste, and yeah, it's just it's it's a pathetic emotion.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It really is a little bit, you know, a little
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: bit because people are going to do what they're gonna do.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: They're gonna do what they're gonna do. Yeah, and if
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you don't know that yet, if you haven't learned that yet,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: then it's it can be tough sailing, all right, Let's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: deal with the fire.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's let's get in there.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Let's get in with this drama rama fire situation with boy.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There's all kinds of well again, this whole thing operates
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in a suspension of disbelief. Where you go this the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: independence end is the only hotel around for five hundred miles.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We can't possibly call up other places and put these
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: people up for a night. Our only option is to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: open up our homes to complete strangers and take them
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in and displace ourselves to where we are wandering around
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: stars allow with a pillow and nowhere to go.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Right sure, sure.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I mean you were very gracious to open up your diner, and.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I thought so, I thought so well, I mean, can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: you say no to Laura alive when she marches in
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with you know, thirty people.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think you had a choice.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: No choice. Uh So I gets to call fire at
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the end, she rushes over. They evacuate the guests. But
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: as the fire chief communicates thee in his stable and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: will be open in twenty four hours, why the heck
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: did he say that?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? He was like, no problem.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It was all burn out inside, you know what was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: He's all right? So in the meantime, Suki takes over
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Luke's diner for all the guests, and I will I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: will tell you a Matthew Perry story. Matthew Perry was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: visiting the set. He was friends with Lauren and so
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: he was they were filming I guess right down. You know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: they're on the Warner boat plot. So they were in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the soundstage pretty close by. So he was on a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: break and they were spending some time together, and you know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: we got to meet him and talk to him a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: little bit. And he was in the diner watching us
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: rehearse that scene, and he started riffing on my line
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: because I didn't know which inn was on fire. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I say to Laura, like because it was a lot
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of fast back and and I was confused, and I say,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you'in and Matthew Perry rifts on urine. Ha ha ha.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You know he's going off on it. Very clever guy,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: very funny guy. So that's my Matthew Perry start. It's
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: not a great one, but he was there.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, but you remember it, you know.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And he riffed on your in and turned it into urine. Okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that's how his mind works.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And you didn't forget your lines after.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: That, No, I did not. Very funny, nice guy, very
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: very open guy. Uh you know you like him immediately anyway,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And Miss Patty's becomes the new headquarters. But bet, Miss
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Patty and Michelle are answering phones, and Michelle and Miss
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Patty are bickering back and forth about her her style,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the time it takes for her to her opening greeting
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it's too long. And Laurel I puts up families in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: her home because as you say, there are no other
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: places to stay in the media, like these people don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: have cars. They could just go to Hartford.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Right, No, no, no, there's not a million bed and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: breakfast in Connecticut.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Right anyway, But they end up staying at in town,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: at people's homes.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And because she makes it sound so charming that that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: second couple shows up at the end. They're like, she's like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I got you went back. They go, you just made
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: this sound too good, right, you just made stand at
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: your house just sound too fun?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. So Laurel I takes in a couple families,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and then a second family comes in and takes her bed,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: so she's out of a bed, so she's she's wandering
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the streets with her pillow and her blanket, and she
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: throws rocks at Luke's window. He answers, and what the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: heck are you doing? And she explains the situation. She
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: comes up, and here we are setting up even more
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: conflict with Nicole because she calls while laurel is there.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He doesn't acknowledge that Laurel I is there, and the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: question becomes, why didn't you tell her here? And he
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: says it didn't come up. Well, this is you know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he's so stupid, right why would he Why would he say?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know why? Cause conflict? Yeah, I wouldn't have brought
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Laurel is here, she's spending the night.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I gotta go.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah no no no no.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: No no no no. The inn burned down, So she's here.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Why is she here? Why? Why is she over there?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Why can't she go somewhere else? You know? Why can't
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: she go to Sukis? Why can't you go here? So yeah,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: he uh he he's avoiding that conversation. And then Laurel,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I tell you, Luke, but this was a nice moment
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: between these two, and it really was. And she tells,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and she had the funniest line in the whole thing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: She says, what am I a dream tramp? Is it mine?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: What am I a dream trip? So Laurla has that dream,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: tells tells Luke about her dream about them beings.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: That little smile that yeah, yeah, right, intimate, it's very intimate.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Pregnant with twins. And he said eighteen alarm clocks all right,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So all right, so this chemistry here between these two
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is building and building and building. So an important episode
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for that. All Right, closing scenes here, Laura I gets
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a call that the inn is back open, so he
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and Suki and Michelle hood over to assess the damage. Actually, no,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they didn't think that. They didn't think they were assessing
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: damage at all. They thought that they were going to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: walk in and be open. And then they walk in
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and boy, it's not looking good done. So yeah, that's big,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: big insurance company intervention and repairs. It's completely ruined and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they're shocked and they stand there and take it in.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And that was a moving scene, I admit.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Well, because it ends on that, you know, you're not
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: getting a happy ending in that episode, you know, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it's really kind of I don't think people really saw
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that coming because Gilmore Girls and so kind of upbeat
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and whatever. So to end like that, it really is
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: kind of a oh, what's next? This is We're all
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: about to pivot here, you know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And then, as you pointed out earlier, Rory's room is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: completely done redone with Yale memorabilia overnight.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Overnight between between having people over at her house and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: sleeping at Loops and whatever, she just kind of, you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Amazon wasn't a back then, and it's current form, so
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but she she got it there. It's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: very impressive.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It is quite amazing. Good work, good work. Well, Rory's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: future looked pretty bright. She decides to go to Yale.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's sweet. You know, she's supporting her in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a way. It's that thing where your child making a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: decision that you don't want, but you know you have
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to support them or lose them forever. And it's it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: very sweet when she's got that. What I like too,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: not only does she have all the yell stuff up,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: but she'd also put up the pro and column list
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: on her bulletin board, you know, acknowledging that this is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: this was a thought out of decision and and something
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that was they kind of came to together. And that's awesome,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think I think people like that,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to have a mother who was son
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and so caring, who is going to take the time,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you know, to sit there and go through pro con
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: lists for three universities, do that research, do put that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: work in. It's just very special. It's very special. So
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you can imagine how safe that child feels in the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: presence of her mother and that's a beautiful thing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And that's why people love the show.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That's why people love the show. Yeah, that's it. That
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: relationship right there. Safety, safety, not judgment, not anger, just
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: nothing but love and support. And you're a great kid.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You know, kids remember how you make them feel?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: How do you and she making Rory feel great all
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the time? And this is a real turning point in
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: both their lives. I mean, it's a hard thing for
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a parent to let their own only child go. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: she's going to Yeah, she's not going far, and that's great.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I think that gives her, Laurli great comfort, great comfort
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: because I tell you, I, you know, I'm going to
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: be facing that in a couple.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Of years and are you ready?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: No? No, I don't even want to think about it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I brought it up, so
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to shut up anyway. So all in all,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I think a pretty a pretty strong episode. I give
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I give them credit for taking these types of risks.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: They obviously were aware that this was going to be
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a different type of episode.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like you come around on this episode in
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: discussing it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot in it, you know, after
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: discussing and realizing there it really is just chocked full
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of storylines. And now I see it how the fans
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: really love the episode because it does set up so
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: much momentum going forward. It ratchets up tensions. It's it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it's it's tying up loose
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: ends and starting new narratives. I mean, life is changing here.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Nothing's kind of the same after this one, even just
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: kind of fall apart a little, you know, it's all, yeah, this.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Is a big, big beat in the life of this
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: show and the overall story of the show that it
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: really is. It is an important episode now now I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: see it. Well, final thoughts, Olivia, have we come around
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to really really love this show?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I think we like this one? You know, I think
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: this Maybe this isn't a top ten episode.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe it is.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Different, it's different, Maybe it is you know, difference is
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: not always bad.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Different it's not always bad, you know. I think they
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I think they pulled it off. Well, okay, I think
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I would give this. We don't really vote or rate
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: these anymore, and I don't want to do that, but
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I I yeah, I see now that you know, it
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: was well balanced let's just say that it's.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Very chaotic and yet it all gets tied up.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It really does. Right, Yeah, it did a lot of
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: things really really well. Oh what a show. I thought
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it looked great. I thought it was beautifully I think
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Chris Long did a great job directing this episode. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: all right, we look that's it. It's a great episode.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do? It's a great episode.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: We saw something different.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It was a little jar I liked that we started
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: one place and we came we ended somewhere else.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I got over it. Over it, Olivia.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: A pleasure, A pleasure as always.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Please come back. Uh and uh, all the best to you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Anything you're working on right now? You want to you
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: want to let the fans know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I'm working on another season of Bratt's as Chloe and
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: then they had for twenty years. And I'm actually going
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to see you at the weekend in the Life Convention.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Oh you're going to be there, that's right, Stember, I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: will September fourth through six.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: In September fourth through six in New Milford, Connecticut. We're
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to do it again. Yeah, you're gonna is that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: your first time there?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It is my first time.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to love it. The fans are so
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: happy and they're just they just have such a great time.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: There, and it really does feel like stars follow it, really,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: especially that time of year.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh yes it does. Yeah, that'll be fun.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: All right, good good catching up. Nice going through the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: episode with you. I think we both came around. Boy
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the show. I tell you, this show, you think it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: wriggling away from you, and then it just comes back
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and gives you a bit big hug. Right, it's undoneable, right,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: kind of like.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: That awkward hug you gave Mari in this episode.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: What the heck was that was like a headlock, like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a wrestling move. What was I doing? I don't know anyway,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all the best, great seeing you, Good luck with everything,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and we'll see in September. Out in September, and keep
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the cards and letters comment everybody, Thank you for all
• 35:29
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• 35:32
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• 36:04
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• 36:13
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