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Life Lessons On Radical Acceptance, Body Neutrality & Creativity · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigl Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm
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  Speaker 1: ou and this is two Road Chicks to show that
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  Speaker 1: she has life lessons and tips to help make you
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  Speaker 1: rich in life. And for today's life lesson episode, we
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  Speaker 1: are joined by a very special guest actress and content creator,
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  Speaker 1: Aliah O'Shea. Around the time of her twenty fifth birthday,
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  Speaker 1: Aliyah received a shock brain cancer diagnosis and since then
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  Speaker 1: she has been very bravely and generously sharing her experience online,
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  Speaker 1: from advocating for your health and tips to overcome adversity.
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  Speaker 1: Aliyah is a huge inspiration with so much wisdom to share.
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  Speaker 1: She's also funny as fuck. It's a nice little cherry
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  Speaker 1: on top. Aliyah also started her own nonprofit organization Care
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  Speaker 1: which supports people navigating hair loss as a result of cancer.
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  Speaker 1: We are so excited to dive into this chat with Elia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let's get her on the show. Welcome to two
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  Speaker 1: broad chicks, Aeleiah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, happy to be here, so excited. Pleasure is
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  Speaker 2: all ours.
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  Speaker 1: We've had some very fun chats already, but before we
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  Speaker 1: get into our questions, we always like to start with.
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  Speaker 2: A life lesson of the week. Would you like to
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  Speaker 2: kick us off?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: But I have two? Is that crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Come on?
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  Speaker 2: Because one's kind of like easy and the next one's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like profound love. That so some of the
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  Speaker 2: easy one because it changed my life. If you can't
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  Speaker 2: open a jar, say, it's like past a sauce or
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  Speaker 2: like a condiment used. You know those yellow gloves that
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  Speaker 2: you clean the house with. If you put that on,
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  Speaker 2: it creates some sort of grip and it comes straight off.
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  Speaker 2: Wa crazy, especially for the girlies who live alone, because
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  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, what are you gonna do. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: gonna knock on my neighbors doing be like hey for me,
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  Speaker 2: that's yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's also so much safer than my tactic where I
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  Speaker 4: just smack the tip of it against the bench and
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  Speaker 4: wait for the bubble to pop.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but I think you could smack like that on
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  Speaker 2: the blow smack that jib.
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  Speaker 4: It's yeah, but your your tips better try.
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  Speaker 2: It changed my life. Okay, this one came from my
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  Speaker 2: therapist and it kind of like changed my life for
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  Speaker 2: this week. She said, don't chase joy. Chase meaning and
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  Speaker 2: the joy will calm crazy and mind blown because I like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling joy from the things I'm doing, and
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  Speaker 2: like I'm constantly just trying to I'm so obsessed with that.
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  Speaker 2: And she just said, like, you need to stop chasing that.
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  Speaker 2: If you just do things that are meaningful to you,
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  Speaker 2: it will calm And.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, damn, girl, well that's very true as well,
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  Speaker 4: because half the time it's like if you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: force it, it's probably shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So like if you're.
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  Speaker 4: Going like, no, this will make me happy, it's like, no,
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  Speaker 4: it's more what's going to actually be meaningful to you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like it's obviously changed for me, but like
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  Speaker 2: I think I was just trying to do the things
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  Speaker 2: that used to make me feel happy, and her saying that,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, and I had to
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  Speaker 2: like think about what's actually meaningful to me now, and
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  Speaker 2: it just Yeah, I think her saying that was like
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  Speaker 2: so true, so crazy. We've gone from one side of
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  Speaker 2: the spectrum.
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  Speaker 4: To the that is literally or sometimes I'll have one
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  Speaker 4: that's like tihi haha, and then soals will be like
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  Speaker 4: and the philosophy behind life and I'm like the duality
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  Speaker 4: of woman exactly. I've been inspired by one of your
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  Speaker 4: life lessons. But it's you know when you've got the
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  Speaker 4: little spice jars with like the powdered onion all like
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  Speaker 4: powdered garlic, but after like two weeks it all sticks
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  Speaker 4: together and you're like, what's the point of this.
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  Speaker 2: On the bottom of spice.
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  Speaker 4: Jars, they've got little indents that if you rub the
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  Speaker 4: two bottoms together, it separates the powder spice. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: what they're built for because it vibrates the glass to
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  Speaker 4: separate all the powder, so the onion powder doesn't stick
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  Speaker 4: together and the gun. And I saw it on TikTok
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  Speaker 4: once and I was like, liar and she was not
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  Speaker 4: because I was like fake news. Did my little rubby
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  Speaker 4: rob of spice dress and yeah, So that way you
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  Speaker 4: don't have to be buying or like sticking a knife
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  Speaker 4: in it, like try.
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  Speaker 2: And break it up. That's crazy. I always thought it
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  Speaker 2: was just to play with, just with a random glass
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  Speaker 2: at the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought it was like for grip or No,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that, all right, what's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week actually came from our
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  Speaker 1: friend Jemma speG. Yeah, the show friend of the show
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  Speaker 1: Friendly Show So the host of the Psychology of Your
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  Speaker 1: Twenties podcast, and on her Instagram this week she shared
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  Speaker 1: like a monthly research dump, which is so cute. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like all of the research papers that she's read
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  Speaker 1: and her favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Findings from them.
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  Speaker 4: Reading a research paper makes me feel like better than
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  Speaker 4: everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know news Google scholar more. I'm like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what is Google scholar So it's like a section of
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  Speaker 1: Google where you can find research papers specifically, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you used to use it all the time for UNI.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just you can whip it out like a
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  Speaker 4: party and just sounds smart.
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  Speaker 5: But when I go on substacky, so you stop being like,
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  Speaker 5: oh I saw an article people go were and it
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  Speaker 5: was actually Instagram, You're like, fuck, you can actually be
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  Speaker 5: like I.
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  Speaker 4: Read a research paper from the National Museum of something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But we can put a link to the post in
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  Speaker 1: the show notes because there were a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: interesting findings. But my favorite one that she shared was
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  Speaker 1: savoring moments makes your love last longer. So, in a
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  Speaker 1: study with five hundred and eighty nine couples, researchers found
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  Speaker 1: that savoring moments alongside your partner was positively correlated with
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  Speaker 1: increased relationship well being and protected your relationship against stress.
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  Speaker 2: And break down.
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  Speaker 1: More moments you enjoy together.
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  Speaker 4: The better you little reminder, yeah, exactly, be a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more intentional. I thought was very cute and also
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  Speaker 4: whipped that out if you haven't been on a date
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  Speaker 4: in a while and be like, well, science, we're going
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  Speaker 4: to break up exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now we've got.
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  Speaker 1: Our life lessons out of the way. Should we get
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  Speaker 1: into the concern do it? Okay, let's do it. So, Aliyah,
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  Speaker 1: around the time of your twenty fifth birthday last year,
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  Speaker 1: you were given some really tough news. You have spoken
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  Speaker 1: about this quite a bit on social media, but can
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  Speaker 1: you talk us through what happened and your diagnosis?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, get so serious, garlic. Yeah, no, definitely not the
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  Speaker 2: quarter life crisis I was expecting, like was expecting a
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  Speaker 2: crash out, but not of this sort.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was in La on a brand trip with Adobe
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  Speaker 2: and I lost feeling in both of these fingers and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, weird. I must have pinched enough.
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  Speaker 2: Got home, had a kidney infection that was just a
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  Speaker 2: side quest, and I was like, I really need to
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  Speaker 2: see my physio for these fingers. Got out after like
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  Speaker 2: a week, went and saw my physio and he was like,
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  Speaker 2: something's not right, Like I think you need to go
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  Speaker 2: back to the hospital and get a brain scan. I
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  Speaker 2: start sobbing, not because I think anything's bad, but because
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  Speaker 2: I was so over being in the hospital at that point,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'd never been in hospital or had a surgery
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  Speaker 2: before any of this, so it was just like hospital trauma.
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  Speaker 2: But thank god I went back because they found something
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  Speaker 2: on my brain. And it was I back and forth
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  Speaker 2: for a while whether it was an infection or a
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  Speaker 2: tumor so on and so forth, and then eventually they
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  Speaker 2: were like, I've actually never shared my actual diagnosis, and
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  Speaker 2: like that is something I will keep to myself. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: two bro chicks exclusive. They were like, it's an incurable
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  Speaker 2: high grade brain cancer and a lot of brain cancers
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  Speaker 2: are incurable, which I didn't know before getting it. Like
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  Speaker 2: how much of a difference there is between different can answers,
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  Speaker 2: Like you just think it's oh, you get it, you
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  Speaker 2: do the treatment, like so on and so forth, But
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  Speaker 2: with this one, I've realized, like, no brain cancer, especially
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  Speaker 2: like it's so far behind in research and everything. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty crazy. But yeah, so so got that
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  Speaker 2: news and have been doing what I need to do
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  Speaker 2: ever since. Really yeah, because was it.
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  Speaker 4: It was quite a long process to get to the
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  Speaker 4: diagnosis part, wasn't it? And it was like I think
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  Speaker 4: in your Body and Soul interview you described it as
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  Speaker 4: being like drip fed vacuation, which is also just so
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  Speaker 4: anxiety inducing. But then also you're advocating for yourself, and
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  Speaker 4: we do see like a lot of women in our
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  Speaker 4: audience and online like even just saying like advocating for
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  Speaker 4: yourself and saying like no, I feel like something's wrong
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  Speaker 4: is a really difficult thing to do. Like I see
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  Speaker 4: so many things online of you know, women going and
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  Speaker 4: being dismissed stiff things. But it sounds as well, like
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  Speaker 4: it's so amazing that your physio also like supported you
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  Speaker 4: and was like, no, I think you should look deeper
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  Speaker 4: into this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I even before the fingers,
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that my smile was uneven. This was like
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  Speaker 2: six weeks before any of this happened, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: to my family, something's weird, Like I don't know, just
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  Speaker 2: little things. I was like, Oh, my smile's off, like
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  Speaker 2: it feels harder to talk, but we were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: who knows, like probably a tight jaw. And then I
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  Speaker 2: went like six weeks if not getting closer to two
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  Speaker 2: months without just thinking it was nothing. I'm like, I think, one,
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  Speaker 2: we need to investigate things further, like is it a
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  Speaker 2: societal thing that we're like, oh, just waited out Like oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably just whatever, like and maybe it's like I
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  Speaker 2: was like, hustle, hustle, I know, I had this trip,
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  Speaker 2: like I was just so go, go go that I
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  Speaker 2: think I just thought it would get better. But so
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  Speaker 2: number one, just like if you notice something is off
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  Speaker 2: with yourself, like, investigate it further, because we have that
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  Speaker 2: intuition as women where it's like something ain't right. But
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  Speaker 2: again I brushed it off. And then yeah, in the
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  Speaker 2: medical system, like it was going back and forth between
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  Speaker 2: the infection team and the neuroteam because like there has
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  Speaker 2: been nothing normal about this journey for me, which is
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  Speaker 2: like getting brain cancer at twenty five is already rare enough,
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  Speaker 2: but the wayn mind showed up looked like it could
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  Speaker 2: be an infection or a tumor, whereas usually it shows
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  Speaker 2: up it's very clearly one or the others so they
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  Speaker 2: just operate, but mine had like me getting medical and
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure it was like a necrosis or something, which
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  Speaker 2: usually is tumor, but the size it was or where
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  Speaker 2: it was like, it's very rare that someone at your
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  Speaker 2: age would have that, so we want to test for
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  Speaker 2: an infection. And that's why for me, it was like
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  Speaker 2: back and forth for so long, and then they were like,
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  Speaker 2: we have to do a biopsy. Yeah, which yeah, none
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  Speaker 2: of it was usual, but in the end I was like,
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  Speaker 2: do the biopsy, Like I can't sit here and wait,
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  Speaker 2: and I was doing treatment for both like and unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: the treatment for the neuropeople is like just see if
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  Speaker 2: your hand gets worse, like just watch and wait. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like I don't think I feel good about
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  Speaker 2: this anymore after like a week so on. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 2: the end, I remember going to the teams. I was
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  Speaker 2: like I shouldn't be giving the information between teams. Like
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  Speaker 2: the infection team would come in, I'm like, the neuro
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  Speaker 2: team said this. The neuro team would come in. I'm
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  Speaker 2: like they said this.
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  Speaker 4: And it was like so you don't know, you're like
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  Speaker 4: sitting anxious, yeah, and like to retain that information would
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  Speaker 4: be incredibly difficult.
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  Speaker 2: And then having to repeat it to my family, then
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  Speaker 2: to other people, to doctors. I'm like, can you guys
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  Speaker 2: don't just like talk between yourselves, someone write this down? Yeah? Literally?
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah that one of my friends has had experiences
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  Speaker 1: with cancer as well, and he would always bring someone
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  Speaker 1: with him for that reason. He was like, I can't,
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  Speaker 1: like it's too much, but not everybody has also like
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  Speaker 1: you know, a parent that can go with them to
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  Speaker 1: every appointment kind of thing. But it really isn't so overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that is why it is so important
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  Speaker 1: to lean on the people around you, right, yeah, you king,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're stuck in this kind of limbo and
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  Speaker 1: you don't have the answers. Yeah, how did you lean
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  Speaker 1: on the people around you during that time?
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  Speaker 2: It's an interesting one because I feel like I've bounced
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  Speaker 2: between being like I need people and then been like
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this by myself, like because I'm
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  Speaker 2: still young, you like don't want to lose that independence
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. But definitely, I think my family like
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  Speaker 2: have just been incredible, Like I'm so lucky, Like my mom, dad,
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  Speaker 2: and my two older brothers, like they've just been the
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  Speaker 2: best and like my close friends. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's definitely been moments like I went through a period
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  Speaker 2: where I was like anyone to come to my meetings,
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  Speaker 2: like I'd voice memo of them, I'd like get the
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  Speaker 2: transcript through a chat and just like send it to
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  Speaker 2: my family because I was like, I just don't want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about it. And I think it's okay if
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  Speaker 2: you feel like that as well, like that something you
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  Speaker 2: take on so much like I'll take you on the
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  Speaker 2: feelings of my family and like the feelings of my friends,
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  Speaker 2: and then also trying to like process my own emotion.
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  Speaker 2: I think just like lean on people when you need to,
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  Speaker 2: but also find different ways to like self soothe or
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  Speaker 2: like what works for you. If you don't have the
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  Speaker 2: energy to manage all that kind of thing, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of also managing other people's.
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  Speaker 2: Reactions and emotion.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have any advice for people that if they
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  Speaker 4: are close to someone that's going through a similar situation,
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  Speaker 4: like how can people support the people that are, you know,
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  Speaker 4: struggling or going through something like you are. How can
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  Speaker 4: they be a good support system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one thing I've really noticed during this
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  Speaker 2: is how much you need to support their support system.
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  Speaker 2: And I've said this a lot because I was like
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  Speaker 2: I saw the ripple effects through my family and my friends,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, they bring me up, so someone has
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  Speaker 2: to bring them up because I'm already getting so much
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  Speaker 2: like support and love, like whether it's from my closed
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  Speaker 2: circle or people beyond that. But I'm like they need
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  Speaker 2: that as it's so beautiful. It's such like a selfless yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but like truly, like they're putting so much time into me,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like people often forget about that next layer
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  Speaker 2: out and like that was something I didn't even think
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  Speaker 2: of for people I know who've gone through cancer and
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  Speaker 2: things like that until I went through it myself. So
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  Speaker 2: now I'm like I want to get that out there.
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  Speaker 2: So definitely that but also just like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be so serious all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's been such a thing for me, Like
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  Speaker 2: me and my friends are actually so dumb, like so silly,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like that's what's help me the most. Like
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  Speaker 2: we call cancer my flop era, like literally like it's
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  Speaker 2: like genuinely like it is. Though, like I'm like surely
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  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna get out of my flop era, like genuinely.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, just make not make them off because the
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  Speaker 2: people come in like, oh my god, I gotta lift
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  Speaker 2: you up, and I'm like, just I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: have to be so solemn all the time, because like
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  Speaker 2: stuff is already so solemn and like so serious. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just want to laugh. I want
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  Speaker 2: to be silly. So I definitely think that kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing is helpful.
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  Speaker 4: One reckon that comes from obviously your background in like
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  Speaker 4: such a creative role because obviously you're an actress and
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  Speaker 4: you're also like a content creator. But I feel like
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  Speaker 4: that even minimizes your work a little bit because I
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  Speaker 4: would like what I watched your videos like for ages,
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  Speaker 4: I really loved your video where you have the sneakers,
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's the OG's.
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  Speaker 2: That was great.
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  Speaker 4: And also I think that was one of like how
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  Speaker 4: to wear like you would do ones on how to
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  Speaker 4: wear items different ways and like the little so I
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  Speaker 4: was like, how should you do that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: He like didn't removed background in camber. I'm an editor now, seriously,
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  Speaker 4: but like, how have you, like have you always been
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  Speaker 4: so creative?
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  Speaker 2: Has that always been something that you're interested in?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think like when I was like ten, I was
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  Speaker 2: like on iMovie like making stuff or like what was
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  Speaker 2: that other one called that you make the videos on?
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  Speaker 2: It's like an iPad app video star. Yeah. I was
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  Speaker 2: like I was heavy in all of those.
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  Speaker 4: What was the app that was before TikTok? And it
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  Speaker 4: was like the lip sync app?
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  Speaker 2: Musically? Was it musically? Start with? It was fine those
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  Speaker 2: musically was on the start of the d I don't
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  Speaker 2: really remember what No, neither do I remember the one
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  Speaker 2: where you'd film yourself singing a bit of the song
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and then you join in with yourself.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, wait what was that one that it
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: would be like Jesse j on the other side.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Of the car and you'd like do them yeah, say
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: something on that And I was like hiding my study
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: because I was embarrassed.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I was like, ey had the moment where they were
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: like maybe nine, I was probably too older than that,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: and you were like.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Can I sing?
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And so you'd record yourself and then you'd listen back and.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I know that you did.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and your dreams are crash.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And they always thought I was the person in real
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: time Yeah yeah, yeah I'm not.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I love that I'm on FaceTime with Jesse j I.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Saw like someone ticked up being like they posted their video, which.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, so brave.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I love that, And it was like I genuinely thought
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I was on FaceTime with Jesse j and like her
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: responses are so cute because she's like she's Likej's like, Okay,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: your turn, and she's like, okay.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I know. I was. I remember saying it's so beautiful. Sorry,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: back to what I was. I was into all of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: that stuff, like the minute I got I Think I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: have a Mac when I was like eight or nine,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and I just was like straight, like I knew how
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to edit on iMovie when I was like nine, That's incredible.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And that was just like the beginning of it. Obviously
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: very outgoing kid. My mom was like, let's get her
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: into an agency because she's.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Crazy, like that's capitalized.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: But so I've always been I feel like, creatively inclined.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But I also was like really interested in business and stuff,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: like I got into UNI. I think I'm pretty sure
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I got like the Dean Scholar for Business and I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm never going to UNI. Like I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: did all the work knowing I'd never wanted to go
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: because I was like my whole, Like philosophy is like
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: chase your dreams and then go to your plan, being
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like there's always security, there's always secure jobs that you
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: can get down the track, but you may as well
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: go for it, go for something else, and then do
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: that after if you need to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So I think even in high school, I just was
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like I grew up dancing as well. My mom wanted
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a dance school. Wow, that's another thing I've taken out
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of the bio. Yes, no, no, no no, you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Said before that you were saying.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, I bet she's a good singing See
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that's where that's where we drop it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I can like if I was in an ensemble in
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the musical like to I could do that. But if
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you give me a solo. I auditioned for Anie when
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I was like seven. I got to sing one line
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that got caught, but we like that's enough. It was
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that song where they all me about to really explain it,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: like I couldn't remember the name, and I think Mom
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: was like, don't you feel like there's never any light?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But the girl in front of me sang a bit
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: of mine, and I was like to the people, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, guys like redo like, yeah, advocating for
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: myself and I was like, you can't. Didn't even get
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to the dancing around. So that kind of explains my
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: journey with singing. So after that, I was like.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I think I'm very good experience.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a double threat.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I guess I don't believe you, but that's okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I threat, I'm threatening.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I am taking that and I am going to pepper
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: that I'll give you credits, but I'll be like at Aliyah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: but like, yeah, are your triple threat and I'm just
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: a threat, just a threat.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Everything threatening. But the question was I always creative? I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: guess so and humor. I just think, like I know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: maybe growing up with brothers, but also even with my
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: social media, I'm just like, ah, I'm not thinking earlier
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: that takes things too seriously. I think I definitely tried that,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Like I posted TikTok recently being like I'm just never
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: going to be that curated photo dumb like fashion girl,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and I think I tried to be that for a
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: period of time because I was like, it's what everyone's doing,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, to my care that's not me. Like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit odd, like I'm a little bit off.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Being creative as well just becomes so much isier once
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: you started embracing that too.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but until you do, it's.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Like, oh that is still not me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, house is messy for that ship.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do my laundry well too, And I'm like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that's cool, that's so I love that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love watching it. Well, it's the thing, it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: not like there's neither one that's right or wrong exactly,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: just like it's just embrace what's to your core, because
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: like we spent so much time trying to be other things.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you actually will get what you want when
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you're in alignment with like who you are.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you've spoken a lot also about like force positivity
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and embracing a little bit more of like body neutrality,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: which I think I probably first heard that term maybe
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago, and it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Like to me, I was like, oh that fits, Like
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I like that saying but like acknowledging how you feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: also without pretending, and also because like you know how
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: sometimes you sit there and you'll just be like and
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you'll have people around you, which is so beautiful and
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: they're like, don't say that, but sometimes it's like you
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: kind of just want to feel how you feel.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like how has that been your.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Journey with everything that you've you know, gone through, not
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: even in the last year, but just like in your
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: life as well well.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like I wasn't neutral before this, Like I
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was very like positive or negative. So it actually kind
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of forced me to confront that in a sense of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, like I just feel like it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: easier just to be honest, Like you feel worse if
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you're trying to be positive and you don't get there.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let's just remove that pressure and just wake up,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: feel how you feel. Try and not have negative self
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: talk is a big thing that I have, And like
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm clocking on myself because I feel like it's a practice,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't come naturally to me. Neutrality. I'm like
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: swinging from one end to the other.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I feel like, do you have quite like self deprecating
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: humor m or like like you'll tea yeah, totally yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Me trying to be like no, I love myself.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Neutral. I'm like flop, but I'm not like, oh my god,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: like I'm so dumb that like I can't do anything
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: but I am like, oh, I'm doing this through my flop,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I'm just gonna have to icknowledge that and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: like go through it. But yeah, no, it's definitely. It's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: just like stop waking up and setting yourself like if
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you can wake up at a zero, that's good. Like
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I was waking up and wanting myself to be like
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a plus five, and then when I didn't wake up
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: like that, I was like in the negatives and I'm like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: now I have to build my way back up to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: having a good day or something like if I can
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: just wake up be like all right, let's just see
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: where this goes, like it's just better. And then with
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: body neutrality like yeah, I was talking me about to say,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: talking to a friend, I made a TikTok about this.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Hey, oh my friends.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: When someone says I saw your TikTok, I'm like, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: feel sick because I get on that thing sometimes and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yep, yeah, yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Everything one of your taktomks know me Like oh my god,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm being perceived big fast.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It's like me or like and then the next one's
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like me and my bed being like do you guys
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: ever think about this? I'm like the duality on there
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: is scary. But I went on and I was like,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I I'm like lucky in the sense of I've always
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: been athletic, like I've never really I have struggle with
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: my body, but not majorly. And then in this journey,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: like I've said online a lot, like I gained a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: lot of weight very fast and was like whoa, Like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to dress him up. I didn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: fit into any of my wardrobe like things like that,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and I was just like really getting down about it,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and like I was like, no, go buy clothes that
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: fit you, find stuff that looks good on you, like
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: stop trying to force yourself back into your old body
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: or like who you were kind of thing, and like
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: just embracing it, being like, yeah, I do need to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: go to the gym and things like that, not even
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: aesthetically but like rehabbing and like getting back into a routine,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I'm still gonna have to do that, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna stand there every day. But I hate
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: what I'm looking at, hate what I'm looking at, And
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: when I actually just embraced it, I'm a lot happier,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Like and yeah, you still have to do the work
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and you still have to like put work into it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: But it's just nice you're not fighting with yourself, Like
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: there's so many ops in the world. Don't make yourself one.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Like that's I love that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Another thing when you're like when that like you're saying before,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: that pendulum like is swinging and it's swinging towards that
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: negative self talk. Sometimes that can kind of turn into
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: a bit of a spiral and it like compound interests.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: How do you go, nat M. I'm still working on
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that one, yeah, but I think changing it up. Like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I went line dancing the other day, you guys, like
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere. I just got a friend and I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: was like I needed to do something. So in like
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the Southern Shire, like near Kronola, there's actually like multiple
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: places that would just do it on like a Tuesday night.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you google it, you'll find somewhere
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: near you. But I think getting out of funk, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: just need to like rip yourself out of routine. Like
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: if I sit my house and do the same thing,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, of course I'm going to keep going down,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So doing something really different, or I'm back into journaling
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: pen to paper, like gotta do it. Do you read
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: your journal back? My friend asked me this the other day,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: my real friend, not TikTok, and I, oh, my god.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Like my real friend, not you.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I I would do that as a bit.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah really, friends, I'm gonna line dancing.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, do you read your journal back?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Okay? I do sometimes when I am in a funk
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, how did I get out of it before?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But for the most part, right now, I'm just like
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: get the thoughts out of my head. But I have
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: journals from like a few years ago, and I like
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to go back through them to be like I knew
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I was done bad then and I am out of
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it now, slush going like I did get out of it,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: so let's see what I reflected on back then. And
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that's when I read it. But I'm not just reading
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: it for fun, because that's speaky. Yeah, that's so fair.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: It's like maybe a little too introspective.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Have a goal.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I like that because it's like a circuit breaker, Like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: what is your circuit breaker? Is like going to a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: new restaurant, or like going for a run, or trying
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a new hobby or journaling, but just knowing what that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: is for you because it's going to be different for everyone.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But you've also spoken about radical acceptance, which I feel
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: like as you were talking, I'm like I can see it,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like all the ways that you kind of embrace this,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but can you talk through what does that mean and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: how do you actively try and embrace it?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like it is it kind of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I spoke about my body and things like that. It
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: is just accepting the reality of right now. It's not
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: again not saying that you can do things to make
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it better or that it couldn't be better. Of course
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: things can can be, but just being like, this is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: what's happening right now, and I'm gonna work with it,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: like I'm not gonna f And again it's a practice,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: like I don't find it easy, but and like this
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: probably isn't like ethical advice, but sometimes I just have
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to like step back, just zoom out, or just like
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: disassociate a bit with like obsessing over what's going on
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in my life and just be like just move through it,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Like just do what you have to do today, don't
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: be so hyper attached to everything, like just kind of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I know, I feel like everyone says like zoom out,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: but sometimes I'm not zooming out that far. I'm just
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: like a few centimeters away and being like, yeah, just
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: just go through what you have to go through, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: don't be so attached to it all. And yeah, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: feel like that's kind of what I describe it's a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: radical acceptance. But again, like if you're having I had
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to radically accept a lot of things, and like, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: think the more you have to accept sometimes the easier
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it gets in a way because it's just like oh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: another one, another one, like let's just let's just do it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: But I feel like, again it's a practice, and it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: funny how much of this really is like a muscle
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you have to train. I I I started like getting
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: into therapy and things like that. I was like, why
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: isn't this working now? But yeah, I feel like if
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: every day you're just kind of like pick up one
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: or a few things to be like, I'm just going
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to accept this today, I'm not going to find it
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and let's see how the day goes like and it
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: might end up better than you really expect. Yeah, it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: like tick okay, positive reinforcement, let's do it again tomorrow
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I really like that I'm going to radically accept everything
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: that ever happens for the rest of my life. It's
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: very easy for listeners or you know, anyone who's going
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: through a similar situation to really get pulled into the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: tidal wave that can be it. And like hearing you
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: say that is just so refreshing and inspiring as well.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: And you've also started your own nonprofit organization, which like
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it makes so much sense as well when
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: you're talking about like business and yeah, stuff like who
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you are, But can you talk us a little.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Bit about that? Yeah, So honestly, I was so much
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: dex and athy zone in the start of this process.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Like I call it the crack drug because I was
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like firing on all cylinders and like, this is one
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: great thing that came out of it. A lot of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: other business ideas have just been put to the sign
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: will wait for a better time. But I was just
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: like up at three am one night in hospital and
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm only gonna lose part of
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: my hair, like a whole half of my head because
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: with brain cancer, I was doing oral chemo, so I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: didn't lose any hair from that. So just where the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: radiation hits I lose that hair, and because my trim
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: is on the right side, I was like, oh, like
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: literally like that is gonna be lost. And I was like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I really want to wig because I still have half
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: my hair and I feel like it's gonna be all uneven.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And then my left hand, I was like, I'm not
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: really gonna be able to put it on. So I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna do some research here and find
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: out what I can get. And I found this amazing place.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Shout out Tammy Lovado. She does really incredible wig stuff.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: They do bonded toppers, which is like portions or a
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: fully bonded wig if you've lost all your hair, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: bonded means you can wash it normally, you can swim
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: in it, you can like do anything in it. So
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I found that and I was like, this is incredible.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Does anyone know about this? Went to my cancer like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: care center and was talking to some of the older
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: ladies being like, have you heard of a bonded wig?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And they're like no, yeah, Like I hadn't even heard
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of it, but obviously I'm young. I'm like on my
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: phone like crazy. So it started there of me being
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: like I want to be able to provide bonded wigs
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: for people. But then lately, which is so funny because
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like you'll read an article and I'm saying one thing,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and then the next week I'm saying the next thing,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm figuring this out as I go.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: But now I'm like, I don't want to just do
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: bond wigs. I want to provide funding for young women
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: who have cancer to get a hair solution in any capacity,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: because it's like such a thing, like you lose so
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: much of yourself when you're going through treatment, Like my
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: face was so swollen I couldn't fit into any of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: my clothes. I just didn't recognize myself. And I didn't
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: even lose like my eyebrows on my lashes or anything
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like that. And when I got the wig on, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: looked in the mirror, I was like, this is the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: first time in months I haven't just felt like a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: cancer patient, Like I felt like a person again. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, And people don't realize I think,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: like it seems fickle or superficial to be like that's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: what I want to raise money for, but I'm like
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: it's from my experience, and like I am a young woman,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Like this didn't come out of like, oh, like a
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: business idea or like whatever. I was like, I just
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: looked in the mirror and I felt that, and I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: was like, I want every young woman to be able
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to feel like this, like going through it. So yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that's a bit about it. And like I think we
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: have like six girls now who I've two of them
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: have received their wigs and the others are like in
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the consultation. So I'm like really excited. But one day
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: i want to meet them all. Like they're all across Australia,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: which is really cool.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's called because I care, right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's called care. But I made the at because
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I Care because people kept saying seer yeah, and I
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: was like yeah, so I was like but then now
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: everyone's saying because I care, and I'm like, yeah, let's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: go with that, Like yeah, like so whatever because you're fancying.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: What can people do to support? Well, currently, I've just
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: got the go fundme setup, but I'm working on our
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: first event to try and fundraise because, like I said,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like I've never done this before, Like I'm really
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: just like, again, take a messy first step rather than
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: perfect it and like wait on it because it's just
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: like I need to do this now because I'm so
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in the emotion. So yeah, hopefully within the next like
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: month or two, we have our first kind of fundraising
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: events around Australia. But for now, if you go to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: my Instagram or because I Care Instagram, there's a go
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Fundme link and people can donate there. But I'll be
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: posting lots about the girls and the events on that Instagram,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: so I'm really.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Excited, amazing, and we'll also make sure that we can
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: share links to that as well. But also your friends
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: also set up a go fun Me for you as well,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, which is just so beautiful and I
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: think it goes to show like your character and how
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: much people love you and how much you've given to
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: you know, the people around you. So we'll also ensure
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: that we put a link to that in the show
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: notes of the episode and share on our channels, with
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: also of course our own contributions.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: To both of those.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: But we do like to finish our episodes with guests
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: with the same question. It's a big goal, She's a
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: big girl question, and it's what has been your biggest
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: life lesson on your journey so far.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Me acting like I haven't already thought about it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I need to get them warning back.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Well, my god, i feel like I've lived like seven
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: lives at this point, so I'm like, which life do
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I want to pull this from? But a big thing
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: for me, and I feel like I preach this to everyone,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: is if you feel passionate about something, you need to
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: try it, like you actually would rather try and fail
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: than run out of time and regret. Like that is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: just my biggest thing. It sounds crazy, but when I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: got my diagnosis, I was like at first, I was like,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you know what, I've had a pretty good twenty four years.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, I'm so glad I did everything
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, Like I still have big goals that
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like wanting to achieve. But I was like, I've
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: lived overseas, I've told every person I've had a crush
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: on that I have a crush on them, Like I've
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: like I've taken the risks and all that stuff. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm pretty glad that I'm not standing
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: here going like I wish I did that. I wish
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I did that, I wish I did that. So I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: think just go for it and again, take a messy
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: first step. Don't wait for perfection, don't wait for being ready.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And I want to say, like, if you have the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: means too, and obviously that's a thing, but also I
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to give people an out to wait longer
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: because I've been like that. So yeah, I think just
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: try everything and you can always find a way back
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: if you need to. But oh my god, that was amazing.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You are such an inspiration and you're funny as fuck
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and we just appreciate you coming on so much. Yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. For any of the chicks who
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: don't follow you already, where can they find?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram. Aliyah underscore o'shay with
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: two a's because I got hacked in grade seven? Thanks
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: for that. Who is hacking? Like, I know, maybe thirteen
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: and I got my thing. It's like I'm selling weed
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Was like, I'm like, I've been hustling since.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And then on TikTok, I think it's Aliah underscore o'sha
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: one a because I haven't been hacked yet.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Please nobody take that as.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: A like, what's the word, Oh, I know what you mean. Permission.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's like it's like a tease to do I
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: know what you y well, regardless, we'll put the links
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: in the show notes so correct spelling on off people
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: can found you.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And you need to start a podcast, Yeah, which is
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be like what my podcast.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: We're best friends.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Are?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I love that note. Thank you so much again, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: thanks to your cheeks for having your WE love to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: be me and bye.