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HAYDEN PANTTIERRE NEIGHBOR HEARS CRYING, SCREAMING BEFORE STAR'S DEATH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell Tonight TV and movie star Hayden Panettiere neighbor hears
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  Speaker 1: crying and screaming before the star's death. This, as we learned,
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  Speaker 1: her HOA, Home Owners Association, had actually put up posters,
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  Speaker 1: notices to block her boyfriend from getting in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 1: We also learned tonight, according to reports, that the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: actually pawned Hayden's belongings before her death. Good evening. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Hayden Panettiere is a child actress who went on
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  Speaker 4: to great success. She detailed her substance abuse issues.
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  Speaker 5: Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment
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  Speaker 5: in Greenville, South Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: She really told the world who she was beyond the superstar,
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  Speaker 4: the actress, that we all thought we loved.
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  Speaker 6: It was yesterday afternoon, and, um.
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  Speaker 8: Just a bunch of commotion in the hallway. The halls
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  Speaker 8: are pretty hollow, so noise echoes throughout. And I had
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  Speaker 8: just heard about someone collapsing. And then afterwards, there was
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  Speaker 8: talk about cardiac arrest. I can't confirm any of that.
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  Speaker 8: That's just what I've heard. Just lots of commotion.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at WYFF Bombshells tonight in the
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  Speaker 1: investigation into the TV and movie star Hayden Panettiere's death.
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  Speaker 1: We're learning more and more, and all of it is very,
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  Speaker 1: very unsettling to say the least. Let me remind everyone,
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  Speaker 1: no one has been charged. No one has been named
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  Speaker 1: a person of interest tonight anyway. We are now learning
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  Speaker 1: more about the alleged use of Narcan. When was it used?
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  Speaker 1: Who used it? How can you tell from looking at
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Panettiere's body? Was it actually administered?
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  Speaker 9: His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian
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  Speaker 9: and Hayden Panettiere on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and
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  Speaker 9: didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were,
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  Speaker 9: and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and
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  Speaker 9: Hayden laying in a bed. And Brian then administered Narcan
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  Speaker 9: to her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ. And
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  Speaker 1: I need to hear that one more time, because listen
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  Speaker 1: to me, I've tried a lot of cases. And every
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  Speaker 1: fact can prove something. I heard something very disturbing. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to Harvey Levin.
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  Speaker 9: His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian
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  Speaker 9: and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't
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  Speaker 9: get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were,
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  Speaker 9: and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and
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  Speaker 9: Hayden laying in a bed, and Brian then administered Narcan
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  Speaker 9: to her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Rob Shooter joining us, author of
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  Speaker 1: a brand new book, Queen Elizabeth III, The New American
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  Speaker 1: House of Windsor. Shooter, my interest is always piqued, to
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  Speaker 1: put it mildly, when I hear somebody say, I woke
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  Speaker 1: up and she was dead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. It's these details, Nancy, that are ultimately going
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  Speaker 4: to point us in the right direction here. You're so right.
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  Speaker 4: Just one detail can change everything. I listened to that
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  Speaker 4: statement from Harvey twice too, because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: stuff in there and a lot of it doesn't add up. Initially,
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  Speaker 4: we were told that she was found in a chair.
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  Speaker 4: Now we're being told that she was in the bed.
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  Speaker 4: And so I want these people to keep talking about
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  Speaker 4: to keep talking to TMZ, to keep talking to the media,
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  Speaker 4: to keep talking to the press, because they are going
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  Speaker 4: to reveal everything without even knowing they're doing so.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Smith joining me, high profile criminal defense attorney out
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio. Did you hear what Shooter just said? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's a PR guru. He's handled them all. Diddy, Brittany,
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  Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on. They can't stop talking.
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  Speaker 1: They can't stop. Talking tonight, no charges, no POI, person
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  Speaker 1: of interest. But Derek, how many interviews are these people
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  Speaker 1: going to give? And they're inconsistent. Did you hear Shooter?
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  Speaker 1: Shooter already pointed out that in one statement, she's dead
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  Speaker 1: in a chair. Another statement, I woke up, she's dead
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  Speaker 1: beside me. I didn't know. What? Keep talking. Just keep
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  Speaker 1: that camera rolling, Derek.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, I tell my clients, unfortunately, sometimes after the
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  Speaker 10: fact that self snitching doesn't doesn't really help them. I
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  Speaker 10: understand that, you know, they want to get they want
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  Speaker 10: to get their story out there, too. They don't want
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  Speaker 10: to be villainized. They don't want to look like, you know,
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  Speaker 10: anything is because of them. However, just like your previous
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  Speaker 10: guest just said, you get them talking, they're going to
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  Speaker 10: be inconsistent, especially if the truth is something they're trying
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  Speaker 10: to evade. So I generally tell my clients, you know what,
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  Speaker 10: let's let's let's come into the office. Talk with me
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  Speaker 10: first before you talk to any media agent. any law enforcement,
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  Speaker 10: anything like that, because you could maybe inadvertently say things that.
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  Speaker 11: Could wind you up into the jail cell, Nancy, as
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  Speaker 11: you well know.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Dave, there
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  Speaker 1: are several inconsistencies, right? What's the story on the Narcan? Who, what, where, why, when?
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  Speaker 12: What we're actually being told is what Zach Hickerson, the
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  Speaker 12: brother of Brian Hickerson, Hayden's on and off again boyfriend,
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  Speaker 12: that the Narcan was found on the bed and that
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  Speaker 12: according to Zach, His brother, Brian, had used the Narcan
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  Speaker 12: on Hayden. Now, Narcan, this is an inhaler that's inhaled
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  Speaker 12: through the nostrils, Nancy. And according to Brian Hickerson's brother,
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  Speaker 12: Zach said that it was Brian who was administering the
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  Speaker 12: Narcan to Hayden.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, when you say boyfriend, are you talking about this boyfriend?
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  Speaker 3: I saw her leaving on a gurney. And Brian was
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  Speaker 3: right next to her and I asked her if she
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  Speaker 3: was okay. And it looked to me that she, you know,
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  Speaker 3: had suffered some type of trauma that, you know, looked
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  Speaker 3: to be battering. And it was clear she was terrified.
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  Speaker 7: My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think
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  Speaker 7: it is taught early enough in life. Never in my
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  Speaker 7: life did I ever get taught what domestic violence was, right?
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  Speaker 7: Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't have done what I did. I mean, I went
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  Speaker 7: into such a dark place, man. Drugs, alcohol. is good
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  Speaker 7: god almighty she's five foot two on paper four foot
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  Speaker 7: eleven in real life i mean come on terrible thing i.
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  Speaker 13: Did to her but um yeah you know she's um
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  Speaker 13: yeah love of life love of life so uh yeah
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  Speaker 13: you never know what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Is he high That from our friends at Inside Edition
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  Speaker 1: and TMZ. Okay, please throw some water on me. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait me up, Jackie, because I think I passed out.
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  Speaker 1: I think I blacked out right there. Let me hear
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  Speaker 1: that first part one more time.
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  Speaker 7: My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think
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  Speaker 7: it is taught early enough in life. Never in my
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  Speaker 7: life did I ever get taught what domestic violence was, right?
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  Speaker 7: Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't have done what I did.
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  Speaker 1: That's from TMZ. I'm almost speechless. Dr. Bethany Marshall, please
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  Speaker 1: help me. Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst out of the
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  Speaker 1: LA jurisdiction. She's on Hulu, she's on Bravo, she's on Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: New podcast on the couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall, author
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  Speaker 1: of Deal Breakers.
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany, did you hear that? If somebody had told me
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  Speaker 1: what domestic violence was, I wouldn't have beat the out
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  Speaker 1: of her. Really, it's when you beat somebody. That's domestic violence. Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, you're right. Did you hear that? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I did. Why is anybody upset? She's dead. The boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: that boyfriend wakes up in the bed and goes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's dead. How can that happen? And it's the same
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend that admits he beat her to smithereens. She got
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  Speaker 1: taken out on a gurney.
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  Speaker 14: What he says is if somebody had told me about
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  Speaker 14: domestic violence, he's trying to distance himself from domestic violence
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  Speaker 14: as if he didn't do it. But then later he
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  Speaker 14: goes on to admit.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you even keep saying? that, Bethany? Why do
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  Speaker 1: you keep calling it domestic violence? That's certainly putting perfume
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  Speaker 1: on the pig, right? Well, when people say domestic homicide, domestic,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like a Hallmark movie. Domestic. I think of
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen table and good smells from supper and a
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  Speaker 1: little family sitting on the table holding hands like on
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  Speaker 1: the Walton saying their prayer before dinner. That's not what
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  Speaker 1: this is. I do like one thing you said, the distancing.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody told me about domestic violence, maybe domestic violence
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened. Domestic violence isn't doing it. He did it.
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  Speaker 3: He did it. He beat her. He hurt her.
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  Speaker 14: He administered opioids to her. But then later on in
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  Speaker 14: that interview where he's clearly high, he does say, well,
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  Speaker 14: maybe I did it. And did you see the look
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  Speaker 14: on the interviewer's face? I mean, she's just giving him
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  Speaker 14: the side eye there, shocked at how high he is.
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  Speaker 3: I was coming down in the elevator and and heard
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  Speaker 3: those two in a screaming match in the garage. And
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  Speaker 3: she just kept saying, please, Brian, please stop. I myself
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  Speaker 3: called the sheriff's office a number of times.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at Extra. Now, I want to be
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  Speaker 1: very clear. No one's been charged. No one has named
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  Speaker 1: a person of interest to special guest joining us tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Eileen Reslin. She's the senior showbiz exclusives investigative reporter for
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail, one of the largest news websites in the world. Eileen,
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  Speaker 1: on the story from the very beginning, Eileen, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. A beating is not the COD
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  Speaker 1: that we know of, cause of death. What do we
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  Speaker 1: know about Hayden Panettiere, who's leaving behind a daughter without
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  Speaker 1: a mother? What do we know about the circumstances surrounding
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  Speaker 1: her death, Eileen?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm really glad you actually mentioned her daughter because
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  Speaker 5: that is actually part of the reason that Brian became
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  Speaker 5: involved in her life.
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  Speaker 15: He found her in a very vulnerable state.
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  Speaker 5: And now what we know about her death is, well,
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  Speaker 5: there's been obviously an apparent overdose is what has been reported.
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  Speaker 5: And there was Narcan distributed. What's very interesting, I want
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  Speaker 5: to highlight a report that my colleague Dana Kennedy did
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  Speaker 5: for the Daily Mail exclusively. She spoke to Leslie Vogel,
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  Speaker 5: Hayden Panettiere's mother, who has had conversations with the police,
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  Speaker 5: who have informed her about what Brian has also told
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  Speaker 5: the police about what happened before Zach got there to
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  Speaker 5: the apartment.
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  Speaker 15: Now, this is very interesting, Nancy.
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  Speaker 5: He claims Brian reportedly told police that at 10.30 that
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  Speaker 5: Sunday before Hayden died, that she was doing her makeup.
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  Speaker 5: And it was seemingly like any other day they were
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  Speaker 5: supposed to meet up with Zach. Then Zach is unable
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  Speaker 5: to make contact with them. And Brian steps out to
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  Speaker 5: go and get something. Now what that something is, is unclear.
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  Speaker 15: We don't know. And it hasn't been disclosed by the police.
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  Speaker 5: And then Brian returns to the apartment and he somehow,
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  Speaker 5: we don't even know if he interacted with Hayden or not.
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  Speaker 15: Presumably he did. It was close quarters.
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  Speaker 5: And then they both somehow fall asleep for a nap.
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  Speaker 5: So there's really big gaps in that story because when
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  Speaker 5: he comes back from.
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  Speaker 15: That errand run, what happened there? Did they have a conversation?
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  Speaker 5: Did they do some drugs together? That information we don't
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  Speaker 5: know yet.
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  Speaker 1: To Dr. William Maroney, he is a renowned medical examiner,
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  Speaker 1: a toxicologist, a pathologist, a He is an opioid treatment expert.
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  Speaker 1: He is the author of American Narcan. And not only that, Maroney,
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  Speaker 1: while being a medical examiner, the chief medical examiner, puts
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  Speaker 1: his money where his mouth is and created a mobile
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  Speaker 1: opioid treatment facility.
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  Speaker 13: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: William Maroney, you have theories on the case tonight. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a case. It is the death of a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young movie and TV star leaving behind a daughter without
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  Speaker 1: a mother. What is your analysis so far?
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  Speaker 16: It's quite clear it follows the time path of heroin, fentanyl,
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  Speaker 16: or opiate use. You're up early, you're getting ready, and
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  Speaker 16: then you take a nap?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 16: That's falling out. They probably used together and she might
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  Speaker 16: have got more than him and he woke up and
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  Speaker 16: she didn't. That happens all the time. It sounds like
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  Speaker 16: an opiate use. Somebody with substance use disorder and a
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  Speaker 16: partner follow this timeline. He's bigger. Whatever they snort, whatever
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  Speaker 16: they smoke, whatever they inject. They said there was no
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  Speaker 16: trauma after the autopsy, but the timeline fits opiate use.
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  Speaker 16: And then why else do you have this? Why do
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  Speaker 16: you have this if that's not an opiate use? Narcan
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  Speaker 16: is only going to work when you're around opiates. If
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  Speaker 16: you're using opiates, this is what saves your life if
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  Speaker 16: something goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why didn't it work?
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  Speaker 16: Well, there are reasons why. Polypharmacy is the number one
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  Speaker 16: reason why it won't work because the Valium, the Xanax,
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  Speaker 16: the cocaine, the methamphetamine, barbiturates, ketamine, alcohol, they prevent it
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  Speaker 16: because they're much stronger and it's not going to reverse them.
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  Speaker 16: The second most important reason why it won't work is
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  Speaker 16: it's given too late. circulation stops, the heart stops, breathing stops.
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  Speaker 16: It's not going to go anywhere. You blow this up
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  Speaker 16: your nose, it's not going to get.
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  Speaker 1: In your brain. Are you saying the Narcan was administered
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  Speaker 1: after circulation and respiration has stopped? What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: by that?
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  Speaker 16: What I mean is you need to have it go
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  Speaker 16: in your nose, get in your blood, and then go
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  Speaker 16: to your brain. If you don't get it in time...
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  Speaker 16: It's not going to work because it has to transfer
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  Speaker 16: to your brain. And there was no circulation. That's why
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  Speaker 16: it wouldn't work. There was no cat up the nose.
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  Speaker 1: Put him up. Why are you saying there's no circulation?
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean she was dead?
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  Speaker 16: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Speak English, man.
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  Speaker 16: Exactly. Exactly what I mean. She was dead. And this
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  Speaker 16: whole thing was a drama.
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  Speaker 11: That's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by she was dead and this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing was a drama?
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 16: You use opiates and you fall out, you get sleep,
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  Speaker 16: you wake up and somebody else is dead, but you're
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  Speaker 16: alive and you have to do something. And the procedure,
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  Speaker 16: the timeline doesn't fit that she was savable. She was
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  Speaker 16: not savable.
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  Speaker 1: How is Narcan supposed to work? It did not work.
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  Speaker 1: It did not save Hayden Pantier's life. How is it
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  Speaker 1: supposed to work? You firmly believe it was administered after
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  Speaker 1: she's dead.
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  Speaker 16: Well, that's... Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I might as well administer it to that phone right there.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, it would be the same thing. Here's what you
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  Speaker 16: have to do. Narcan works all the time, but you
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  Speaker 16: have to get it in your nose and it gets
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  Speaker 16: absorbed into your blood and then it goes to your
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  Speaker 16: brain and it tells the brain.
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  Speaker 16: You stop breathing. Please start breathing. You have to go
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  Speaker 16: in here to start breathing. It puts the heroin off.
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  Speaker 16: It puts the fentanyl off. It puts the oxycontin off.
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  Speaker 16: It pushes it off. That's how it works. And then
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  Speaker 16: the brain sends signals to start breathing again.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand. You're stating that you believe the
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  Speaker 1: Narcan was administered... After she's dead. Now, okay, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter joining me, PR guru who is familiar with
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Panettiere, author of a new book, Queen Elizabeth III,
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  Speaker 1: The New American House of Windsor. Shooter, you heard Eileen
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  Speaker 1: Reslin from the Daily Mail describe inconsistencies in the various statements.
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  Speaker 1: We already know that in one story, She was dead
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  Speaker 1: in a chair. And another story, he wakes up. Oops,
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  Speaker 1: she's dead. I have no idea. I'm just sleeping next
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  Speaker 1: to a corpse. I don't know what happened. Can I
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  Speaker 1: tell you that's not that uncommon that I hear that?
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  Speaker 1: There are many inconsistencies. What about the inconsistency regarding the brother,
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  Speaker 1: her doing her makeup at 1030 and The boyfriend leaves.
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  Speaker 1: Did he leave to get Narcan then? Was she already dead?
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  Speaker 1: What more can you tell me, Shooter?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, these inconsistencies are everything, Nancy. And as long as
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  Speaker 4: they keep talking, we're going to get more. Why would
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  Speaker 4: you go out and get Narcan if you didn't need
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  Speaker 4: it in the moment? Was this preventative? Were they planning
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  Speaker 4: to do drugs that day or three of them or
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  Speaker 4: two of them? And that's why they wanted the Narcan.
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  Speaker 4: There's a ton of questions, but what I do know
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  Speaker 4: is that the cameras have been seized around that apartment complex.
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  Speaker 4: So sources are telling me that the police have taken
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  Speaker 4: all that footage. So they'll be able to see exactly
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  Speaker 4: who left, what time they left, what time they returned.
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  Speaker 4: And if they did go to a pharmacy, if they
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  Speaker 4: did go to a CVS to pick up Narcan, that
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  Speaker 4: will be on the cameras too. And so they can
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  Speaker 4: say whatever they want at the moment. Let them keep
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  Speaker 4: saying it. The evidence is going to tell us what
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  Speaker 4: really happened. And that evidence is going to be cameras.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be cell phones. It's going to be
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  Speaker 4: electronic communications. I'm told that the police know a lot
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  Speaker 4: more than we do. And they're just not saying at
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  Speaker 4: the moment. That's not that unusual, Nancy. What people say
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  Speaker 4: to the press is often very different than what they
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  Speaker 4: say to the police. The police already have a very
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  Speaker 4: good idea what happened inside that apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Smith, don't you just hate it? You're the veteran
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, the criminal defense attorney at dwsmithlegal.com. When your
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  Speaker 1: client gives one story, then gives another story. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: most people remember the last time they saw a dead body.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It doesn't move on its own anyway. But when you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: find out there's video surveillance at that drugstore, at that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: luxury residence where they were. I mean, there's video.
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: The first thing I'm doing, Nancy, is going to go
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: into those pharmacies trying to get that video. Because if
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: we're in a situation like this, where a client of
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: mine may be a suspect in a homicide or an
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: accidental death, and he was actually doing something to prevent that,
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: like going, like he wakes up and realizes his partner
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: is struggling to breathe or having some kind of reaction.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: He rushes out to go get Narcan, to go get
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: something to help her. But then, unfortunately, when he gets there,
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: it's just a little too late and she doesn't survive.
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: That could be the situation we're looking at now. Yes,
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: they're trying to establish a motive for this guy. Yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: he was a s * * * boyfriend, a s * * * partner.
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: He hurt her.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: He hit her.
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: He was domestic violence to her. Doesn't mean he's a killer.
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: Doesn't mean he wants her dead.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: Yes, he may want to keep her to himself, be
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: a possessive type boyfriend.
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: But he wants her to be alive. He's going to
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: the drugstore to get some Narcan to save her life.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, all of this is discussion based on inconsistencies we
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: are learning about. This boyfriend has not been charged. He
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: is not a suspect. He's not even a person of interest.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But I do find it interesting that the surveillance cameras
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: have been seized by police.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Dr. William Maroney said, renowned medical examiner, I can't stress
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that enough, toxicologist, very important in this case, pathologist, opioid expert,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: author of American Narcan. He's devoted his life to his
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: family and fighting opioid addiction.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Maroney, A, I want you to weigh in. Your knowledge
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is far more vast than my questions can encompass, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I also want to know, In an autopsy, can you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: tell if Narcan was administered? Since it's inhaled, can you
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: even find that out in autopsy?
• 23:05
  Speaker 16: There's two things you can do. The first thing is
• 23:08
  Speaker 16: standard toxicology when you test the blood. If there's absolutely
• 23:12
  Speaker 16: no naloxone, naloxone is the active medicine in this, then
• 23:19
  Speaker 16: it really wasn't given in time. And the second thing
• 23:23
  Speaker 16: you can do is swab the nose. You swab it
• 23:28
  Speaker 16: and then you send it off. These are the first test.
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: The general toxicology is what everybody does. Every single medical examiner,
• 23:38
  Speaker 16: every single department will do the toxicology. One of the
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: reasons why I think they brought in the DEA was
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: because they're going above and beyond local law enforcement. If
• 23:50
  Speaker 16: you take a swab, and you go up the nose
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: like we did in COVID, instead of looking for a virus,
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: you look for naloxone, then you'll know if it was given.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So I think what you just said is yes.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Dr.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Maroney, did you just mention D-E-A, Drug Enforcement Agency?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: What?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 16: The reason why Greenville Police is reaching out for federal
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: resources with the DEA is when they find what they
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: find in the bag or the drugs or the toxicology,
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: they're going to go for homicide because when you supply
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: something to somebody and they die, that's homicide, not an accident.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: So if the autopsy is done correctly and the Q-tip,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the long Q-tip like we used in COVID, is stuck
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: up the nose and swabbed, you will find traces, correct?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Of Narcan.
• 24:59
  Speaker 16: But if she was dead, it will not have been
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: absorbed and it'll sit there. So that creates the timeline.
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: It helps you say, now you don't know when, but
• 25:13
  Speaker 16: if it's in her blood and in her nose, then
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: she would have got it in time. But if it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 16: not in her blood and it's only in her.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I need to ask him a question.
• 25:24
  Speaker 16: That is.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Maroney.
• 25:26
  Speaker 14: Maroney.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. This is very, very confusing. I got to figure out...
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: If the Narcan is in her blood, then she did...
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: It was and missed her correctly. If it's just in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: her nose, that means he stuck it up and it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just sat there and she never absorbed it because she's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: already dead.
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: Because she's already dead. That's, if you find it in
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: the nose and it's not in her blood, that's clearly
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: exactly what.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't lose your thought because
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I really want to hear it. To Eileen Reslin joining us,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: senior showbiz exclusive investigative reporter, Daily Mail. What is the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: boyfriend's story? Because when I smell a lie, I'm digging in.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I've got a bite. of his ankle, and I am
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: not letting go. What is he saying? When is he
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: saying he administered Narcan?
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: He hasn't released a statement yet saying whether he administered
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: the Narcan or not.
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: That was the brother, Zach, who claimed that he did.
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: Right now, he's lawyered up, Brian.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: His lawyer is saying that let's let the investigation play out.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Let's not make any judgments yet. So he's already in
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: defense mode in that sense. But what we know about
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: him is that he is a criminal. I mean, he
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: abused Hayden. That was well documented in Hayden's biography.
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: He's been convicted.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: He pleaded no contest in 2021. And what's really interesting, Nancy,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: is that just the week prior to Hayden passing away,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: he actually put in a request with the court to
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: have his charges expunged. And the judge actually denied it
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: because he said, I'm not allowing that to be expunged
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: because you've continued to be high. And they actually pointed
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: out to that TMZ interview that you played earlier that
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: That showed that he was not in a good state.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So why would they expunge the charges in that case?
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: And what the judge decided was decided just three days
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: before Hayden died. So I think the timing of all
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: of that is all very interesting.
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: His brother. gave us a statement that he texted Brian
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were,
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: Hayden laying in a bed. And Brian then administered Narcan
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: to her.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. The brother says he arrives. He finds Brian, who
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: had just woken up, and Hayden still laying in a bed.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And Brian then administered Narcan to her. Whether Narcan is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in her blood or just in her nose, highly critical.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Who can tell me about the boyfriend who was not
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a suspect or person of interest tonight? pawning Hayden's items,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: her belongings, before her death. Dave Mack, Crime Stories, can
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you tell me about that?
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Yes, Nancy.
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: Hayden's estranged mother, Leslie Vogel, says that Leslie came out
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: to L.A. about a year ago to help Hayden get
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: through a serious health issue and claiming that Hayden was
• 28:55
  Speaker 12: suffering from some unexplained pain in her lower back.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And it was at.
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: That point where Leslie Vogel says that Brian Hickerson had
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: emotionally and physically damaged his Hayden Penitentiary for years and
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: she was depleted in every way, financially, emotionally, physically, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: that Brian Hickerson pawned pawned items of Hayden Penitentiary to
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: get cash.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Derek Smith joining us, criminal defense attorney. Derek, again,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he is not named a suspect in this case. That's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: not a good look to just admit that you beat
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: her repeatedly.
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: No, I mean, yeah, it doesn't look good, but it
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: doesn't point to, again, a motive. I mean, you were
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: talking about doing drugs together. And like you just said
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: in that last segment, she was financially drained. Maybe they
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: owed money. Maybe she owed money to him. And she said, hey,
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: pawn my stuff, get your money back. Or they needed
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: more money to go get more supply.
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: They needed to resupply. So she sent him along, go
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: pawn my stuff.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You just run with that bone that she owed him money.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: Well, she's financially depleted.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Could you help Derek Smith, please?
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: Bethany.
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: The likelihood is he stalked her for a long, long
• 30:17
  Speaker 14: time because he wanted her money. He did file for
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: bankruptcy in 2022. And what happens when people want to
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: commit financial fraud on another individual is that they will
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: put that person in a vulnerable state so that that
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: person cannot complain. So my theory, I've never talked to
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: Brian Hickerson, but my theory is that he continued to
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: re-addict her knowing that that would take away her awareness
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: of what he was siphoning away. And I think this
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: is what's gonna come out in any kind of report
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: and investigation is what other ways was he having access
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: to her money? Right?
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Bethany, do you know one of the things the boyfriend
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: pawned was her vintage guitar? That probably meant something to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: her sentimentally.
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: You know, people who commit financial fraud, they also hate
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: their victims.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: They feel that the victims have it coming to them. Nancy,
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: he wasn't just a boyfriend.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: He stalked her.
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: Let's just be clear. He stalked her. He beat her.
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: He took her money. And as you're saying, pointing out,
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: he pawned her vintage guitar. And what does it mean
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: when you pawn something? When you pawn something, you're desperate
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: for cash right away. You're going to give it to
• 31:36
  Speaker 14: the pawn shop for pennies on the dollar. And this
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: is one of the things that underlies addiction is the
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: need to get that fix right away. Now, I just,
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: one other layer to all of this is that Zach
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: went to church that morning. Then he says that they
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: were unresponsive when he tried to call them. They were
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: supposed to go to lunch and then indoor golfing. He
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: says that Brian was waking up, but then he says
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: that he was administering Narcan. So both can't be true.
• 32:04
  Speaker 14: And it's very unusual for both people to use one
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: person to fall out as Dr. Maroney said. And then
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: the other one just magically wakes up just in time
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: to save the victim.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, it was, who wants to read something about
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: themselves like that, right? But, you know, you got to
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: be vulnerable. And, you know, I did it. I did it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: This is a brawl outside of a very fancy hotel
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: in Los Angeles. And that person there in the white sweater,
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: that is Hayden Panettiere in the middle of a just
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: crazy brawl that went down last night that started in
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: the bar at this hotel.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: You see that's Brian in the white sweater who just
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: got hit. Now someone's on top of him and Hayden
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: isn't walking away from this. She is right there trying
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: to pull people off of Brian. She gets knocked over.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: This is crazy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: At one point in that, guys, it looks like she
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: even took a foot to the face, too. It looks
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: like she got kicked.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, the life that Hayden had been dragged into. That
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is from our friends at TMZ and Inside Edition. Joining
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: us now is a special guest who has been waiting
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: patiently to speak about Hayden. It's Dylan Novak, a pastor
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: who shared the gospel with Hayden. He is the founder
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: of an evangelical ministry and is a star of Green
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Room Gospel, his new podcast coming out fall. Dylan Novak,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I would like you
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to explain to our viewers and listeners the Hayden that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you knew.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Well, Nancy, thank you so much for having me. My
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: wife and I, we met Hayden in Monroeville, Pennsylvania back
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in 2024. And we've been doing this ministry for the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: past 11 years, taking the gospel to different people in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the entertainment industry. Like the previous clip you just showed us,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: This is what we see all of the time in ministry,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: people searching for something so much more than what this
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: life has to offer, filling their life, filling that God-shaped
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: hole in their heart with the things of this world.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And this is the result that sadly happens. And Hollywood
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: is the known but forgotten. We all think about them.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: We all know who they are. But sadly, we as
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the church oftentimes just graze over them. We either say
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: they're a lost cause. Or we say, oh, nobody would
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: ever listen. And we've seen through our ministry, many people
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: give their lives to Christ. We've seen an outpour recently
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of different people in the entertainment industry being outspoken with
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: their faith. And when we met Hayden, it was still CityCon.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It's just a comic con. It's a fan meet and greet.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And we were able to talk with her for a
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: few moments, and she talked about her daughter. And my
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: daughter at the time, she was two, about to turn three.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Her daughter was nine at the time. And she brought
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: up her past, along with some other issues. And there
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: was just... Such a sad presence. And it's the same
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: presence you see with anybody who is searching for that
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: God-shaped hole in their life, and they're filling it with
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: anything except the gospel of Christ. She was so kind
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to us. She was so kind to our daughter and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: open to listen. Some people we talk to are completely
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: closed off. They don't want to talk. It's very dismissed.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: She was open. But there was just an overwhelming, sad presence.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter joining us, host of Naughty But Nice podcast,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: very familiar with Hayden. He is the author of a
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: brand new bestseller, Queen Elizabeth III, The New American House
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of Windsor. Rob, Hayden was searching. She was searching for
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a way to change her life, to have a life
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: with her daughter, to move forward. What did you observe?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: What do you know of Hayden?
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: That this was an incredibly talented, generous, kind person who
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: was just riddled with demons. And every time she tried
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to get her life together, something came along and derailed her.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: We know about her financial issues. The mistake a lot
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: of people make is they think all famous people are
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: very wealthy. She lived a relatively modest life. She didn't
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: live in a big mansion. in Bel Air. She had
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: a small apartment. We see where she was staying in
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: South Carolina. It's not at the Ritz Carlton Hotel. It's
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: at a rented apartment, a luxury apartment, but it's not
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: where Julia Roberts would stay. So I know she struggled
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: with money. I know she struggled with happiness. She felt
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Hollywood had left her be. This was a child star.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And Hollywood has this horrible habit of throwing them aside
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: and finding somebody knew her career wasn't in a place
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: where she wanted it to be. I was told one
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: of the reasons she wrote her memoir was she wanted
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the money. She needed the money. She wasn't getting acting jobs.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: So if you add all that together, it's a very desperate,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: a very sad, but not that unusual Hollywood story. Very sad.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, not only a renowned psychoanalyst, but the daughter
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to missionaries who go around the world spreading the gospel,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart to hear Pastor Dylan Novak
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: speaking about Hayden searching. We're all seekers, right? We're all seeking.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But to know that she was searching and seeking the gospel,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: but before she could find any peace in this world,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: She died, and just all of these leeches sucking her blood,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: sucking her dry.
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: We had experienced this from the time she was little
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: in kindergarten. She was bullied by a teacher and by
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: fellow students for being an actor. This continued throughout middle school.
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: She was addicted at 15 and 16, opioids and stimulants.
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: A stimulant was given to her by somebody she trusted.
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: She goes on to Nashville and the writers of that
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: show parallel the script with Hayden Panettiere's life. And they
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: give her the script so soon before each taping that
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: she doesn't have a chance to object to it. So
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: her show begins to mimic her addiction, her pregnancy, all
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: of that. And Nancy, you talked about seeking. It is
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: very common for people who are struggling with addiction. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: we know she admitted herself. to treatment facilities. Nobody had
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: to push her to grow. Nobody had to push her
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: to go. So she was seeking God, a higher power,
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: which is a part of addiction recovery, attachment systems, which
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: had been taken away from her from the very beginning.
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: And I see this in my Beverly Hills office all
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: the time. Stars who come in and they don't talk
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: about their careers. They talk about wanting to be loved.
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: They talk about going to church. They talk about their relationships.
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: They talk about their pastor. That's what everybody wants at
• 39:56
  Speaker 14: the end of the day, relationship with God and with others.
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: And one other quick thing, when you're a child actor,
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: your sense of self becomes fused with the camera. That
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: camera holds your identity and your self-esteem rises and falls
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: on the smiles and frowns of others, which makes you very,
• 40:13
  Speaker 14: very vulnerable to to what other people think about you,
• 40:16
  Speaker 14: not what the public thinks, but what your loved ones
• 40:19
  Speaker 14: think about you, which then makes you vulnerable to exploitation.
• 40:23
  Speaker 14: So this was a perfect storm of many, many, many factors.
• 40:28
  Speaker 14: And I wish Pastor, who is here today, could have
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: had much more time with her because he said that
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: he and his wife sound very loving and like they
• 40:36
  Speaker 14: could have helped take her away from Brian and played
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: a larger role in her life.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: The death of this beautiful young TV movie star and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: also the mother of a little girl has struck a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: chord across our country. If you know or think you
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: know anything regarding the death of Hayden, please dial Greenville
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers, 864-232-7463. Repeat, 864-232-7463. And also, please hear this.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: If you or someone you know or love is fighting
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: drug addiction, just dial 988. Repeat, 988. We remember an
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: American hero sergeant, Jason Gooding, Seaside PD, Oregon, shot and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty just 39 days. leaving
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: behind a wife, now widow, Amy, and daughters, Jocelyn and Jaden.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: American hero, Sergeant Jason Gooding. Thank you to our guests,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Grace signing off, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: until then, good night, friend.