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The Late Debate | 11 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us on
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  Speaker 1: the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Joe Hildebrand and Jim A ton Yini.
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  Speaker 1: Gooding back to you both.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, great to be here.
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  Speaker 2: You had a good night because not only you're doing
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  Speaker 2: the show tonight, but your son performed well this evening.
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  Speaker 3: I believe he did. Yes, we had our parent teacher
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  Speaker 3: interviews and he got a solid you know, I reckon
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  Speaker 3: high bees good and he also kicked three goals in
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  Speaker 3: his soccer practice match, which is what actually matters.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely proud dad. How was your day, Jim?
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  Speaker 4: Hectic but great, good people, good work.
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  Speaker 5: And two nights in are up past my bedtime if
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  Speaker 5: you don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: You told us last night your normal bedtime is thirty,
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  Speaker 2: which means it's another late sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Hygiene people get them on wild time.
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  Speaker 4: I start you on my herbal tea collection.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, wait till I start drinking.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into the show. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC tells you as they've chosen not to show
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  Speaker 2: foot Ditch of the attempted beheading in Belfast, which begs
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  Speaker 2: the question is it a news organization's job to not
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  Speaker 2: show us the news. Speaking of the ABC, an ABC
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  Speaker 2: radio star clashes with a caller over whether or not
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  Speaker 2: footballers who come out as gay deserve so much attention
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  Speaker 2: and a tourist destination much loved by Australians, has asked
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  Speaker 2: swimmers to wear modest attire.
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  Speaker 1: Is that fair?
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  Speaker 2: Or is wearing a G string a human right? We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to all of that shortly, but first, just when
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  Speaker 2: you thought conditions couldn't possibly favor Pauline Hanson any more
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  Speaker 2: than they already do, Brittney Higgins has come out against her. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: the opposition of Britney Higgins will only serve to push
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  Speaker 2: One Nation's vote even higher. Higgins, who received a massive
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  Speaker 2: payout because she probably wasn't going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: work again, is now working for women's advocacy group Vida Fund.
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  Speaker 1: She said in a statement.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation and the New Right are trying to mainstream
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  Speaker 2: misogyny on a scale Australians have never seen before, with Barnaby,
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  Speaker 2: Joyce Championey in this US style war on reproductive rights,
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  Speaker 2: It's never been more important to get organized and take action.
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  Speaker 3: Get organized so GEMMA will.
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  Speaker 1: Start with you.
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  Speaker 2: Is one nation mainstreaming misogyny is Brittney Higgins claim.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I appreciate that Britney Higgins is young, but she
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  Speaker 5: can read. I assume she can read. And the idea
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  Speaker 5: that misogyny is being mainstreamed by one nation is a
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  Speaker 5: little bit embarrassing.
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  Speaker 4: It's an embarrassing thing to say.
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  Speaker 5: Paul Enhanson, whether you like her politics or not, has
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  Speaker 5: been the victim of more misogyny than most women in
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  Speaker 5: political life, and that is an objective fact. The other
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  Speaker 5: thing that I would like to point out, I'd never
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  Speaker 5: heard of the Vita, Vite or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You want to call it.
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  Speaker 5: Case in point, the Vita Foundation. I look forward to
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  Speaker 5: continuing to not hear about the Vita or Vida Foundation.
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  Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what to use the words of
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  Speaker 5: a former prime and I will not be lectured on
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  Speaker 5: misogyny or what misogyny is by an organization that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: recognize what a woman is. I won't listen to any
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  Speaker 5: conversation by a person or an organization that says a
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  Speaker 5: woman can be someone who is aligned with womanhood, like
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  Speaker 5: aligned with woman's woman. I mean, you could very well
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  Speaker 5: be woman here here we've got their definition taken straight
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  Speaker 5: from their website. The Vita Fund supports an inclusive definition
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  Speaker 5: of woman. It's an adult who identifies and lives as
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  Speaker 5: a woman. This includes both cisgender and transgender women, as
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  Speaker 5: well as many non binary individuals who align with womanhood.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have to identify and live as a woman
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  Speaker 3: or just alignment?
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  Speaker 4: You can just align with a woman. I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 4: no woman, no uterus, no woman.
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  Speaker 5: So best of luck, Brittany, best of luck to the
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  Speaker 5: Vita Viada Foundation.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy ongoing anonymity. I will.
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  Speaker 3: I have a slightly different take, which is whether or
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  Speaker 3: not one nation is mainstreaming misogyny. Just talking about that
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  Speaker 3: only a further alienates the people who are voting for
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  Speaker 3: it and therefore makes one nation's base stronger because it
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  Speaker 3: does sound so ridiculously esoteric. I mean, the sort of
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  Speaker 3: people who are fleeing the major parties for one nation,
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  Speaker 3: the sort of people you need to talk to to
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  Speaker 3: get them back to your party and away from one nation.
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  Speaker 3: If you're serious about combating one nation and stopping its rise,
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  Speaker 3: and not just bleating about it and saying how much
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  Speaker 3: you oppose it, but if you actually really want to
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  Speaker 3: tackle one nation, which is something I'm very interested in
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  Speaker 3: doing because I think you know, we do. You know, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I'm worried about the blue collar votes they're taking from
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  Speaker 3: the Labor Party. But talking like that, using that kind
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  Speaker 3: of language only further alienates voters, and it does absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't speak to any of the people whose votes
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  Speaker 3: you need to bring back. I can guarantee you the
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  Speaker 3: people who are voting for one nation because they feel
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  Speaker 3: the major parties have deserted them, especially economically or on
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  Speaker 3: social issues. They do not use mainstream as a.
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  Speaker 4: Verb anything they do.
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  Speaker 5: And listening to that statement, it's like, Okay, that was
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  Speaker 5: written by a third year university politics student trying to
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  Speaker 5: be grown up. It's like dressing up in your mum's
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  Speaker 5: suit when you're eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, That's the sort of thing I probably would
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  Speaker 3: have written when I was AE art student. Again, you
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  Speaker 3: know that is not what we need.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing I noticed, right.
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  Speaker 2: So she accuses Barnaby Joyce of championing US style war
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  Speaker 2: on reproductive rights. First of all, if you can't even
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  Speaker 2: say the word abortion, then you're probably not going to
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  Speaker 2: win the argument. Second of all, since when is pro
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  Speaker 2: life a US political issue? Third who says that to
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  Speaker 2: be pro life you must be misogynist. The pro life
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  Speaker 2: movement in this country is led by, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 1: A woman, doctor Anna Howe. It would be the most
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  Speaker 1: high profile pro life activist.
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  Speaker 2: And to imagine that, or to try to make abortion
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  Speaker 2: the big issue that's somehow going to sway people away
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  Speaker 2: from one nation is.
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  Speaker 4: Bang on the money.
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  Speaker 5: And I fire reflect and I've actually written about this
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  Speaker 5: issue about abortion and abortion law, and if anyone wants
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  Speaker 5: to see what I think, just go google the columns
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  Speaker 5: that I've written about it, and and I find that
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  Speaker 5: view that you just expressed, that clearly, that organization express
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  Speaker 5: that just because you might say, look, in a perfect world,
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  Speaker 5: I prefer I am a pro life that's my position
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  Speaker 5: in a perfect world. But I'm very well aware as
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  Speaker 5: a woman, as a fifty year old woman plus a
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  Speaker 5: few that the world is not perfect. But I don't
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  Speaker 5: believe abortion belongs in the criminal code. And those sorts
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  Speaker 5: of views are apparently misogynist. I find that so deeply offensive.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know a single woman in my social work
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  Speaker 5: circle who hasn't been touched, either directly or indirectly by that.
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  Speaker 5: And there's a myriad of it is just it just
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  Speaker 5: diminishes the trauma of it, the complexity of it. It's
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  Speaker 5: like saying, oh, people just dance off to have a termination.
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  Speaker 5: It is a deeply offensive approach to that issue to me.
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  Speaker 2: At least, and backs to the general approach against one Nation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen Andrew Hasty, Pauline Hanson is maga
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  Speaker 2: first whatever that means. We've seen now Britney Higgins, Pauling
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  Speaker 2: Hanson is a misogynist. We saw Tenure Plebasek the other
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  Speaker 2: day chastising Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you like listening to women? Anthey, Albanezi.
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  Speaker 2: All he can say about one Nation is that they're
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  Speaker 2: divisive and they are only about promoting problems, not solutions.
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  Speaker 2: None of them are addressing the key issues that voters
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  Speaker 2: are concerned about. A smear is going to change the
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  Speaker 2: political polling, then they've got another thing coming.
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  Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. I'm going to say it just so
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  Speaker 3: so so clearly, every time you attack Pauline Hansen or
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  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce or Donald Trump, at best, at best, it
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  Speaker 3: makes absolutely sweet fa difference. It makes zero difference whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: At worst, it makes you look shrill or spooked or rattled,
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  Speaker 3: and it just drags further attention to the people you're criticizing.
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  Speaker 3: If voters are looking for candidates who are morally pure,
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  Speaker 3: who are mother terresers, or who who say all the
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  Speaker 3: right things and have all the right pronouns on social media,
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  Speaker 3: they are not looking at Donald Trump or Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 3: or Barnaby Joyce. So when you say that these people
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  Speaker 3: are flawed or they're no good, or they're sexist, or
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  Speaker 3: they're racist, or whatever you want to say, do you
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  Speaker 3: know what all their supporters say, We don't give up,
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  Speaker 3: we don't care, we don't care. In fact, that should
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  Speaker 3: just make it even clearer to you how much trouble
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  Speaker 3: you are in, because we would rather vote for them.
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  Speaker 3: That sexist, racist, homophobic, whatever you want to call them,
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  Speaker 3: we would rather vote for them. And in fact, we
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  Speaker 3: are voting for that reprehensible basket of deplorable occupant just
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  Speaker 3: to send a message about how pissed off, afraid, scared, stressed,
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  Speaker 3: under pressure we are feeling right now. And that is
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  Speaker 3: what makes a vehicle like Hanson or a vehicle like Trump,
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  Speaker 3: so that it is so rough, so coarse, so unmored
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  Speaker 3: by political niceties or political conventions, and that is what
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  Speaker 3: people want to send into the castle, into the keep
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  Speaker 3: like a giant, flaming, battering ram, to just burn the
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  Speaker 3: whole place down. So don't attack them, don't attack Pauline,
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  Speaker 3: don't attack Barnaby. Save your breath, save your words, and
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  Speaker 3: talk directly to the voters who are running a mile
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  Speaker 3: from your major party over to their side and find
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  Speaker 3: out what the hell you have to do to win
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  Speaker 3: them back, because otherwise you're gone, You're dead. It's all over, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned homophobia just a moment ago, and the AFL
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  Speaker 2: are desperately trying to stamp out homophobous But there's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting discussion on radio today asking the Football code's going
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  Speaker 2: too far on this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of. It was actually a really it was
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  Speaker 3: just a really interesting moment. So we had the NRL
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  Speaker 3: star Kane Evans, and NRL's obviously are really rough as guyan, superman,
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  Speaker 3: super blokey game. He is only the second NRL player
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  Speaker 3: to come out after Ian Roberts, both long after their
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  Speaker 3: playing careers, and he did this very sort of powerful interview.
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  Speaker 3: And then Hamish McDonald, who's a high profile ABC radio host.
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  Speaker 3: He's talking about this sort of stuff, and he gets
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  Speaker 3: a call and it clearly just takes him completely aback.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to the caller who called in.
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  Speaker 6: We have to stop making a big deal of these
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  Speaker 6: things in the public sphere. Got to just kind of
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  Speaker 6: slowly calm things down and recognize it. Okay, these things matter,
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  Speaker 6: but they're not core to someone's identity. There are more
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  Speaker 6: important things about you. Kin, he's a footballer. I don't
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  Speaker 6: know a lot else about him, but I think the
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  Speaker 6: fact that he's a footballer is more important than the
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  Speaker 6: fact that he's gay.
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  Speaker 3: So this call is saying, hang on a minute, why
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  Speaker 3: are we making such a big deal out of someone's sexuality.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't the whole point that there is nothing with being gay?
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  Speaker 3: It is no different to as he said he has.
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  Speaker 3: He raised the exam and says, you know, I can
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  Speaker 3: come out as left handed now. In centuries ago that
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  Speaker 3: would have been seen as a sign of the satan,
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  Speaker 3: sign of the devil, but now it's completely fine. And
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  Speaker 3: so why is it any more dramatic or what should
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  Speaker 3: we make it any more dramatic for people to come
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  Speaker 3: out as gay? And I just thought, and how much
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  Speaker 3: McDonald obviously was taken aback by that.
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  Speaker 4: Because something that sounded a bit sort of not a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of people would have the cajones to say out loud,
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  Speaker 3: let alone on the airways.
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  Speaker 5: In and of itself, this call, according to the ABC
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  Speaker 5: and offered that very very different view rather than sort
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  Speaker 5: of going, oh my god, that's amazing, it's kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of you call himself could well be gay? What are
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  Speaker 3: you talking about? Why are you trying to make it
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  Speaker 3: sound like I went on.
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  Speaker 4: Board with that.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't think anyone's sexuality, my own, included, is
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  Speaker 5: any is interesting.
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  Speaker 4: It's not interesting. It's kind of like an afterthought.
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  Speaker 3: Mine's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Look you, everything about is interesting, Joe, So let's start
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  Speaker 5: from that point. I just feel like the point, as
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  Speaker 5: you said, the point is it doesn't it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: It's not interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's important to that person in that moment, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's a big part of their world.
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  Speaker 4: But do we all need to go, oh my gosh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the football codes almost barracking for people to
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  Speaker 2: come out as gay to somehow prove a point that
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  Speaker 2: football is inclusive or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I just think, as you said, Jim, and the
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  Speaker 1: fans don't care.
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  Speaker 2: As long as you can kick a ball through the
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  Speaker 2: big sticks in AFL or run the ball across the
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  Speaker 2: try line in NRL, fantastic, and what you do in
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  Speaker 2: your personal time, no one cares. But the football codes
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  Speaker 2: are so desperate to promote gay players that we had
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Brown in the AFL who came out a decade
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  Speaker 2: after he had finished a very mediocre career for the
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  Speaker 2: West Coast Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: And every AFL club formed over him.
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  Speaker 3: They continue to do so gay be a better football player.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond spoke well about it on Paul Murray Live
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  Speaker 2: last night that Mitch Brown was invited to the Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame for the AFL and he wore a fishing time.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason he was there was.
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  Speaker 2: Because, ten years after he finished playing, he now says
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  Speaker 2: he likes men and women and for that, the AFL
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  Speaker 2: say that's fantastic. Fans could not care less, and the
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  Speaker 2: same with this Caine Evans. Now, Caine Evans talked about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he'd battled mental health issues and a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff, homelessness, et cetera, et cetera. He says,
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  Speaker 2: because he was wrestling with his own sexuality. Whatever your position,
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  Speaker 2: on homosexuality. I think everyone wants Kane Evans to do
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  Speaker 2: well and would wish him a great life, whatever you're
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  Speaker 2: religious or other views. But for the AFL and NRL
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  Speaker 2: to make this a big thing, I just think people
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  Speaker 2: want to enjoy the football.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is on.
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  Speaker 2: Climate change, gay pride, or any other social issue that
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  Speaker 2: you can.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that the whole point though, that he obviously did
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  Speaker 3: feel that it was something he could have. He couldn't
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  Speaker 3: say I'm left handed, you know, or I'm gay and
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  Speaker 3: that's the same thing, and that's and that, but that
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  Speaker 3: is obviously what he felt because he had to drink
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  Speaker 3: himself half to death and had all those mental struggles
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  Speaker 3: because of that. And so I wonder if maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like maybe it is pretty hard, and maybe if there
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  Speaker 3: were more out gay players, and that's and in a way,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of both things at once. I said this
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  Speaker 3: after Thorpe he came out. It's like it was, it
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  Speaker 3: was just such it so not a shock to the
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  Speaker 3: vast majority of people, and people maybe it's people in
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  Speaker 3: the media, people I knew in the gay community who
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  Speaker 3: are going absolutely here. And this was years before it happened,
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  Speaker 3: and he was vehemently denying, and it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: like if he had have had if he had have
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  Speaker 3: realized it wasn't such a big deal, he could have
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  Speaker 3: come out earlier, been much happier for much longer, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe and maybe and maybe Kane would have been in
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  Speaker 3: the same place. But clearly it is enough of a
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  Speaker 3: big deal for him not to have done it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of put the counter argument, do you
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  Speaker 1: think people really buy that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you say an offensive word about homosexuality
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  Speaker 2: on the field and no one really hears it and
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  Speaker 2: it gets reported, you're out for six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's about the worst crime you can commit is a
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  Speaker 2: gay slur on the football field. The people who have
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  Speaker 2: come out as gay or bisexual have received nothing but
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  Speaker 2: applause and you know, accolades from the media, from their
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  Speaker 2: own sports. Is it really that? I mean, the hard
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  Speaker 2: thing is supposed to the way is Ralph Aloud did
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  Speaker 2: and say, actually, my religious beliefs say that homosexuality is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: For that his career was terminated.
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  Speaker 4: Really good.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose that hard to come out and say no.
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  Speaker 3: But I suppose the paradox is that that is why
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  Speaker 3: more people should just to demonstrate how normal it is,
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  Speaker 3: and that no one will actually be upset, or he
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  Speaker 3: won't get abused, or you won't get rejected or booted
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  Speaker 3: out of your club or whatever, and therefore or that
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  Speaker 3: will get rid of all this kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of okay, So let's take him last step further, another
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  Speaker 5: step further.
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  Speaker 4: So cricket the game.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really like the player who doesn't want to
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  Speaker 5: do this champagne thing at the end, right, that's faith based, right,
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  Speaker 5: And everyone's like, bravo, we support you, all of those things.
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  Speaker 4: Going back to Israel, philaur everyone's.
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  Speaker 5: Like, oh, he's a bad person, he's a devil, like like, well,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it wasn't saying if you open that champagne bottle
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  Speaker 3: you go to hell.
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  Speaker 5: No exactly, he wasn't saying that. But Israel full out
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  Speaker 5: can believe that.
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  Speaker 4: But why does it?
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 3: Israel? Philouer could believe that the problem, I don't care
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  Speaker 3: what you believe it was, as you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: one of Paul's letters to the Corinthians, was it? But
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: it was a.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Escalated quickly.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Just why we're on Israel, philaut Can I just say,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: because it's relevant to this story about Caine, Evans Caine.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Evans put out an Instagram post saying, you know how
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: finally he's at peace with his sexuality, et cetera, et cetera.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You know who liked it and actually put a.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Love heart in the comments Israelphila, Israelphail boom.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Because you bury the league position.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Because israelhil is able to hold two things at the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: same time.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Personally, I think that is wrong.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I want the best for you,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and you live your life and I'm not going to
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that that was beautifully tied up. That
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: was an emotion. I did like that very very much.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks. I appreciate that. Jimma talk to me.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, I should talk to you. Oh, this is a
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: nice segue.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It's a perfect segue.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Ralph was on a plane.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: We've all been on a plane, haven't we, Guys. When
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: my law to call you guys, you are either of you.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I prefer male chest feeder.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: So if you're sitting next to your favorite male chest
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: feeder on the plane and it's delayed and you're on
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: the tarmac and everyone's sitting there going how.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Long am I going to be there?
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: And you wonder what someone's going to do, and you
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: always hope that someone doesn't sort of well, maybe do
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: what this young woman did. So we've got a story
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: about a woman who has caused quite a young woman,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: also quite a stair on social media because she started
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: preaching on a plane. She started preaching the good News
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: of the Gospel on a plane during a tarmac delay.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: And I think we've got some realsome vision of this.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: I think we've got some vision. Let's have a look
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: at this right now and see, hey, guys, since the
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: plane is you know, not moving, and you know, we
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: might as well just have some good, deep conversations.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I just want to let you guys know.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: That Jesus loves you guys, and that God said his
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: only son, Jesus to.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Die on the cross for you all so love you guys.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Just want to let you know that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's like ten fifteen seconds, right, She's not
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: walking up and down with a bar like would I
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: do that?
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And almost to my shame, I'm got to say.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: A little bit conflicted here, as someone who calls her
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: self a Christian has always public been public about my faith,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I think that young woman is prepared to be ridiculed globally,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: as it turns out, for something that she deeply believes in.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: From what we've seen on the vision, It's kind, it's loving,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: it's quick, see you later.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Back to her seat. I don't know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can be offended by that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: How I got offended?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Worst you could go, oh that's nice, or that's something
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I can tell tell the wife when I get home. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I just just like it's an interesting STI at worst,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting story in a boring moment.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Do you think people would have been more receptive had
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: she done that? As the plane was descending rapidly towards mountain, do.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I've got a you know that good
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: good point.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: You know that plane that went into the Hudson River
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: and everyone survived that. A friend of mine from church
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: back in Perth was on that flight, and she later
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: told us it was so quiet, they were all and
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: she said, she's.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Been on the record. You can read her interviews, Emma.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: She said, I'm sitting there and it's quite a few
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: people were praying under their breath, and she thought, I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: going to be in heaven soon. I'm going to be
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: in Jesus meet with Jesus soon and she was fully calm.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: You sort of imagine that people would be screaming. Maybe
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: they would be, but in that set of circumstances, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: the other miracle of that, apart from the fact that
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: they all survived, is that they all got off quickly
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: and in an orderly fashion.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: With Karen, I've got to say the double stands are
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: terrible because you know, you say Jesus saves on a
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: plane and everyone goes, oh, that's lovely. You say ala
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: lackbar and suddenly everyone, I mean, come on.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They can't imagine why. Let's go to Belfast for a second.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Back to that please and go to be.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Horrific relief after that joke.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You can't be laughing as I introduced this topic, come
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: back now horrific crime where this south In these illegal
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: migrant allegedly attempted to behead a person in the middle
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of the street. Many of us would have seen the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: shocking vision which has been very upsetting and most upsetting
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: for Michelle O'Neil, the First Minister of Northern Ireland, who
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: says she regrets that anybody has seen the vision haven't
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: listened to what she says.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Monder Nate was horrific, and so many people saw that image.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I wish people didn't see that image, but unfortunately many
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: people did. But Jack, now we see the legs of
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: the Elon Mosques, this.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: World, where we see the Tommy Robson's this world, the
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: keyboard Warriors for certain very coffee in their homes, orchestra.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And hit and tension.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Do you know what I reckon orchestrates more hate in
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: tension trying to lop someone's head off in the middle
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: of the street.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: She seems more concerned that people saw someone trying to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: behead another person than that someone was trying to behead
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: another person. Meanwhile, our own ABC said they had decided
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: not to show viewers what had actually happened, which is
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: an interesting stance for a news organization.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Video of the horrific knife attack, which we've chosen not
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: to show, was posted online. Far right agitators then shared
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: the material, using it to stoke racial tensions and push
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: for violent retribution. The UK Regulator has powers directing tech
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: companies to remove violent posts and control racially charged responses,
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: but Elon Musk chose instead to double down on inciting rhetoric.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: On his platform.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So we've seen what happened, but we have decided that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: what we've seen is something that you should not see
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: for your own good, of course, and so we are
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: not going to show you what we have seen.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Now let's talk about it. Do you think that's fair?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Is that a I think it's organization.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I think it would be fair, to be honest, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: think it would be fair. Two things. I think if
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Michelle o'neild said, you know, I wish people didn't see
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: that image, maybe she's saying I wish it hadn't happened
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: so people hadn't had to say it, so maybe we'll
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: give it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I'm very generously generously.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And I think even that ABAC choosing not to show
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the image is okay or would be okay. There's always
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: standards that media organizations make, but you cannot do that
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: unless you are telling people extremely clearly what the image
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: is that you are blarning. So you have to call
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: it an attempted beheading or a beheading. If you're just
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: calling it a knife attack, and she called it a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Sarah Ferguson called a horrific knife attack, and you are
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: then not showing the image when we all know that
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: a beheading in this context has extremely dark and specific
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: context and meaning. Then that is when you are entering
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: into actively misleading or censoring.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you what we would have done back.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's been twenty years since I've been in
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the seven news room, but we would have said something
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: to the effect of the following images are distressing, if
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: blah blah, there would have been adequate time for people
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: to either get their kids out of the room. Remembering
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: that most news goes to in G time, so it
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: has to be rated. G cannot but you know there
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: are strict regulations that they have to abide by, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: even their language. I'm so offended by that. So I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: gonna be all offended tonight. I'm so offended by what
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Sarah Ferguson said there in terms of, you know, the
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: far right stoked this set and the rest people people
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: were disgusted, terrified, traumatized by seeing something like that happen
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: in a street of a Western democracy.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: So that's not stoking anything.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: That's an appropriate response to something so affronting and so terrifying.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: And these these people pontificating the air on top of
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Mount Virtue. It is very very thin, right. These people
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: are absolutely so disconnected. You want to talk with you
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: beautifully put, Joe, Honestly, I'm not just paying in your
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: pocket to tell you it's raining. You beautifully put the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: problems of the labor party. A few minutes ago, the ABC,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and I worked at the ABC. My first ever job
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: was the ABC. Cartha, is this organization that thinks everybody
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: lives in this same world, that people aren't horrified, that
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: people aren't smart enough to see that make their own decisions,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: aren't emotionally mature enough to see that make their own
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: conclusions with a warning. They're supposed to have an educated
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: cohort of viewers. And then they turn around and they
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: start gas lighting about you know, they double down, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: they triple down, and.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: This, that and there is. People were responding with.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: What I thought was an appropriate and appropriate manner.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying, go torch the streets.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: A lot of the responses I saw, In fact, none
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: of the responses I saw said go torch the streets.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: They accused the video of stoking anger. Of course, it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: got the video that stokes anger. It's the fact that
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: an illegal asylum seeker tried to cut someone's head off
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the street. That's what stokes anger,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and they don't want people to be upset. People should
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: be upset, need to be upset, and it's convenient for
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: politicians if people aren't allowed to be.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Up thing behind the thing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: One tweet that I saw, which was a little bit crude,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: but I think it reflected and captured really, really well
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: the sentiment that is driving this discontent and this anger.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Someone tweeted, Oh, I see we're at the public beheading
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: stage of cultural diversity here in the UK. And crude
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: and a little bit funny, but can you not blame them?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think And again I can tell you this,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and it is a mindset that the left has, not
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: my left, not sort of labor ro my favorite but
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: thank you, but again, and not not my friends in
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the Labor Party. But in fact they are trying to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: warn about this, but it is what often the sort
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: of more traditional soft middle class left have where they
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: don't they either don't realize that, I mean, yes, the
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: far right and no doubt trying to spread all the right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's not so much even that it's so the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: far right short they're taking this video and they're saying
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: this is why we've got to rise up. And Tommy Robinson, yep,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he is. But just because he is doing
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that there is not a real sentiment
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: out there that is tapping into. And it's the same
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: thing I was trying to explain about one nation again.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: So if you just go and attack Tommy Robinson, we're
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: doing nothing to address the anxieties that people actually feel.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: But the problem for the sort of tertiary educated middle
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: class left is that they can't say to all the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: you know, the working class people who are pissed off
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: and who are running around protesting about this stuff. They
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: can't say, you're an idiot, you're a racist, you don't
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: know what you're talking about, you're not very smart. You know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you've got to cop this. Whether they don't even know
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: these people, whether it doesn't register because they don't move
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in their circles, or whether they realize that's a really
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: bad look. You know, there's a bit of column, a
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: bit of Columban. So what they do is they say
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that all of these poor, you know, poor unwitting, malleable
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: proles are being manipulated by an evil corporate entity, by
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: evil powerful forces, and that of course plays right back
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: into your sort of unisocialist narrative. Oh, it's all Tommy
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Robinson's fault, it's all the fascist faults. For Star, it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: all Rupert Murdoch's fault, because it's an evil righting cooperation
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to that, And so you're completely ignoring what the ordinary
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: people are. And that is the disconnect between ordinary people
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: and the left where we are now seeing a majority
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: of working class voters now already voting for One Nation
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: over the Labor Party, literally the party of the working class.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And in case you tempted to think, well that's just
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a UK thing, it wasn't that long ago that we
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: had a Christian priest here in Sydney attacked in his
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: own church and our e Safety Commissioner was adamant that
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: people should not be allowed to see what was done
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: to him. So this is something that's occurring right around
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the Western world. How can people make informed decisions on
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: the kind of country they want to live in if
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: they are not allowed to see what's actually happening in
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: their country. I sometimes also wonder if we have become
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: so afraid of confronting realities, but we don't talk about
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: killing older people. We talk about death with dignity or euphanasia.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about abortion. We talk about a pregnant
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: script termination right, et cetera. We're not allowed to look
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: at a beheading in the street because it might upset us.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And we've become so desensitized to anything that might upset
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: us that we can't confront realities. And oftentimes reality is
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: very confronting.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: It is very confronting. And one reality that the people
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: of New York have had to confront is that their
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: new mayor is a dirty comedy. I was spoken before
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: about other middle class socialists, and they don't come better
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: than our old friend Ma'mdani Zorn Mammdani, the newly elected
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: socialists self described socialist, that's on me putting it in
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: his mouth, self described socialists Orren Mamdani, who, among his
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: many civic duties, has decided that he wants to meet
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Columbia's outgoing leftist president, Gustavo Petro. Coord to report. Yeah,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, nothing says roads rates and rubbish like wanting
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to meet the socialist president of Columbia. But the Trump
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: administration has now mixed that little trip. After those promising
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: reports that they were all getting along, so well, what
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: a shame things seem to have fallen out. Trump has
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: now mixed that visit and said, no, you two little
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: comrades can't form your own little micro block. There's a
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: quote from a State Department official which says a visa
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: is a privilege, not a right, and says that any
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: individual's US visa is at risk of revocation if they
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: visit America and outrageously implore US soldiers to disobey orders
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: of the duly elected president of the United States, which
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: is what our friend Gustavo Petrol has been doing. He
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: also tweeted, and I'm sure he was just taken out
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: of context because these words could mean anything to kan.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Kanye West style tweeted, quote unquote Hyle Hitler.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that now I know why Mam Damie wants
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to meet with him. It all makes sense.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Now, that's all right. So I'm not sure have we
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: just kind of have we reached sort of peak horseshoe
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: where socialists are saying, hile Hitler now, or is this
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: just revealing the you know, the grotesque are behind the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Mamdani experiment.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Here is to know how much buyers regret there is
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: in New York, like is it quantifiable yet or is
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: the suicidal empathy just too strong?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I think there's already, and I'll have to I'll have
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to refresh my memory. But I think there was already
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: a neighborhood that voted for Mam Danny because they want
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: to see more homeless shelters, And there was a move
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: to rehome, rehouse homeless people in that neighborhood, and they
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: all started launch a protesting.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Its everything you see about Mam Dani. I've come to
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the conclusion that he is not the mirror of New
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: York to be the mayor of New York. He is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the mayor of New York to undermine the United States opportunity.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: You furiously agree with you tonight.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: It's very un part of international socialism. Don't you understand?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: You got to start small and work like Trotzky did.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: He's an amazing mix, isn't he of Islam, merited wealth, left,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: socialist and promoting gay pride as well. He's a He's
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: an interesting character, but certainly not a good one.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I agree with the Trump administration. He is a dangerous man.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Jim, I can't again it disturbs me how much I'm
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: agreeing with you tonight.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Be thrilled with me that you should put you on
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the right side of his.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's where the agreement stops. Right now, I can
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: tell you where my agreement. This is not going to seguey,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So I'm just going.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: To do a rough cup.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Well, mankini bikinis or in mundani can I wear a bikini?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: It just let's just go there.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: So Australians on holidays we're not always known for our
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: sartorial elegance.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: We are known for.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Bodies on the beach, bikinis on the beach, all of
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: that sort of stuff, but.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Not if you are traveling to a small island.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: In part of New Caledonia, Ossie holidaymakers heading to a
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: picturesque island have been worn to cover up when they
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: get there out of respect for local culture. Carnival Splendor,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: which left Sydney on the second of June Oh my
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Brother's Birthday, sent a letter outlining to their guests what
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: they can and can't wear, and they basically said, Oi,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: no bikinis, no g bangers, please show the bit of
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: respect to the locals.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: And I just wonder what is the point of going.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: To a glorious tropical island and taking your guests there
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: and saying sorry, you can't actually, you know, wear a bikini.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going on holidays at the end of July for
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: a few days to a tropical.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Island and I didn't even think to check whether I
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: could still take my bikini.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: But I feel like, isn't that a human right?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: If you don't want Australians to arrive on your doorstep drunk, naked, chious,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: just don't ask.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Us, correct, don't invite us, because it's like it's you
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: know again, it's I do travel a lot for my
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: job and I occasionally see people getting on a flight
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: in their pluggers. That's songs for you guys, but double pluggers.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And I think you know ban that let's start at home.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Charity starts at home.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: No one would ever get to Bali ever.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Again true, So are you taking issue with the stamps
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: of the locals on this island in New Caledonia.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: No, they can do what they want in their place.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Would holiday also, wouldn't you say to your guests before
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: they get on the boat, hey.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: You want to book a book a cruise? Can I
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: speak that you want to book a cruise with us.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to all of.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: The islands and we're going to ones where you can't
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: actually wear a pair of bathers, So make that make
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: the decision to come based on that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Even even on the beach, they're not allowed where but
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: they're only allowed to wear swimmers at the beach or
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: by the pool, and the swimmers should be very very modest,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: they say. Whereas in Australia, of course it's the one
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: kilometer rule. We all agreed on that you're allowed where
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: ba there's one kilometer from the beach, but no further.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: So you can go you can go from yeah the shops. Yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: as only is that you're just not living, but only
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: if that shop is within a kilometer of the beach.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So pretty much once you get once you get to
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: bond dijunction, it's time to come.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You have to get into gym gear.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Then you have to get into prayer.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: That's right, this is new information.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: But how's this so? But it says even on the
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: actual beach, g strings, thongs, monokinis or man kinies should
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: not be worn, and topless sunbathing is also not permitted
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: any time well, that's me out.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: But no, but you should all go to Italy.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: So even because that's what most people would wear.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So basically they're saying that swimmer should be made out
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: of material, not out of dental floss.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: That's the same or bust.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Saying don't come to this tropical and if you want
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: to get your kid out.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: But aren't they allowed to do that? That's just a conservatives.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Well they are.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: They're allowed to do what they want in their house.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: But what's the point of taking people there?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: There you go, You'll have to find somewhere else to holiday.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, we're going to go.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: To a break when we come back. What on earth
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: is going on with our legal system? Judges taking up
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: to three years to make a decision on cases and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Victorian police comming back on fingerprinting stolen vehicles because lack
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of resources.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll start with The Daily Telegraph,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand's favorite newspaper. The headline reads cash for vote scam.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Political parties raking in millions just for standing in state
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and federal elections. It's the story that no one in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: politics wants us to write the telegraph says, reinforcing the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: great Australian phrase it's only a raw if you're in
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: on it. In the last three years, political parties have
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: received more than two hundred and ten million dollars in
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: taxpayer handouts through a series of little understood arrangements cash
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: for votes. In a country with compulsory voting, it's a
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: massive money spinner at three dollars forty nine cents for
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: each federal vote. Now Australia is not the only country
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in the world to do this. Germany does it, Canada
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: does it, Sweden does it, among others. I understand, Joef,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I've got this correct. As long as you get four
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: percent of the vote or more, then you get what
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: is it, three dollars and a bree.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Forty nine, So it doesn't sound like as much as
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: three point fifty. I just that's my favorite these and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: just to help obviously work that out. It's to help.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Political parties with their expense.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: It's more, believe it or not, it's actually more, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: we might say more of this as there's donations, more donations, reform,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: it's more to make it, to try to make it
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: more of a fair and level playing field. So if
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you are if you can prove that you have a
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: public support. That's why there's that threshold. So you have
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: to reach a certain amount before it kicks in. It's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: not like you get you know, someone can get three
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: votes and they'll get you know, eleven bucks the so,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: and it means that money is guaranteed. It comes on
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: the basis of how many votes you get, not on
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the basis of how much money you can raise from
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: other the fairy sources. So it means that you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you might be a party that's for the people. You know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: he wants to give all poor people, you know, a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: pay rise or whatever. Blah blah blah. Now they're not
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: going to be able to donate to you as much
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: as you know, whatever whatever. I mean. The way it
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: works here, of course, is the unions and the big
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: corporate donors kind of balance each other out. But of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: course everyone is constantly putting more and more caps on
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: those donations so that parties can't basically be out and
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: out bought. And this is a kind of bulwark against that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: So it says, look what and there's been talking previously
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: about reform seriously serious reforms, say we both parties say
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: let's just ban donations all together, and each party just
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: gets allocated a lump sum of public money and that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: what we can use the campaign, and that's fairer. So
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting one. Ironically, the argument often that's used
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: to keep private donations going is not the political parties
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: say we need all this money, so you have to
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: let us keep trying to get it. It's almost put
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: it the other way where they say, so, well, if
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: someone if I want, you know, if I want to
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: support the Labor Party or One Nation or whatever, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: have a right surely to give my money to whoever
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I want to. So it's almost sort of flipping the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: whole thing. But this is again not a lot of
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: people would know that, and now that I've explained it,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: even fewer people would understand it. It's o the Telly
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: has just gone through and done this massive kind of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: route and branch just trawled through all the data. So great, young.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Everybody's favorite newspaper Mine included nutche Nutch wing wing fantastic
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: story on the front page about judges and the slowness
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: that the the absolute dragging their pace of the agrarius
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: as a very legal word. Isn't a slow colleagues a
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: threat to the rule of law? That's the headline here
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: in this young by Janet Albrison and Stephen Rice. In
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: an extraordinary rebuke, the paper says, Federal Court Judge Ian
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Jackman has named and shamed six fellow judges who have
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: failed to deliver decisions in cases up to three years
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: after hearing them, condemning the agrarious delays as real and
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: growing threats to the rule of law in Australia. He
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: goes on to say in a blistering speech. According to
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: this story, delivered to the Rule of Law Institute on
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Thursday night, Justice Jackman rejected claims by his own court
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: that it was performing at a very high standard in
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: timely delivery of judgments, identifying several judges who had taken.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: More than two and a half years to arrive at
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: their verdicts.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: It's extraordinary when you think about it, because thankfully most
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: of us don't have to interact with the justice system.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: But you know that it's it's I and everybody.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Talks about the wheels of justice grinding slowly, But when
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: you read about this, this is one case that he
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: talks about Justice Farrell, Kathleen Farrell, he's named here, who
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: retired after two and a half years on one case
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: and didn't actually even deliver a judgment. And it's just
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: kind of like this twilight zone of existence.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: What well do they need to do?
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Then knocking her door?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Were they doing this?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: You're articular case was passed on to Justice Ian Jackman,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: who then resolved it within a month, So.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: What are they actually doing?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: And what is like I've got a friend whose dad
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: is a federal court judge, and I understand a little
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: bit of case load and how that can be difficult
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: and all that sort of stuff, But this is wild.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: And what's even wilder?
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine like you're a judge or your other
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: judge mates and you're basically sitting around there going you're
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: all average, you're all garbage. Do they sort of exchange
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: legal letters afterwards?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: This is obson. It's really really coold at which is
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: because she's a lawyer herself, the goat, and so she
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: knows all these guys you move in those circles, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: so all these little sort of you know, bitchyes, little
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: feuds between lawyers and indeed, very woundy criticisms they make
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: of each other. She has he to.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Themselves before we move on from that story. Shout out
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to mister and missus Jackman, who must be very proud
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: parents because not only did they produce Justice Ian Jackman,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: but actor Hugh Jackman their brothers.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Just in case people.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Didn't makes everyone else feel a little bit like an
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: underachieve it doesn't it. I'm not sure my kids are
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: going to end up sitting on the Federal court or.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Overcoming He could do with the money, and by the
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: sounds of it, they don't have to do much.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Henry's doing justfy. Now over to the Herald Sun and
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: this is very close to my heart. The shock Truth
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of screen time groundbreaking study links teens online habits to
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: increase risk of depression and poor mental well being. Anti
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: social menace is the head by Elis Sproul Mellis great
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: friend of mine, great journal education reporter. Teens who use
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: social media for more than two hours a day are
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: significantly more likely to experience depression and poor wellbeing than
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: peers who spend less than an hour on the platforms.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: A groundbreaking, decade long Australian study has found and this
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: of course, is all part of our let Them Be
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Kids campaign which led to the social media ban introduced
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: by the Albanzi government, Thank you very much, Albo, and
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: is now going to be picked up by Apple and
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of other countries are looking at it as
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: well to see if they can do it. So an
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: extraordinary campaign and my favorite kind of campaign because the
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: journos do all the hard work and then I just
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: come in over the top and I'm the song and
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: dance man for it and tell everyone how great it is.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: That.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: The other interesting part of that study is that found
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: girls aged eleven and twelve tend to be the most
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: badly affected by social media, which.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Which is no surprise surprise. However, also unsurprising is that
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Victoria is running out of police officers cops. DNA cut back,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: says Shannadary. Police will scale back fingerprint and DNA testing
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: of car crimes because who needs fingerprint and DNA technology.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: That's old hat. Who's worried about car crimes? There's no
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: car crimes in Victoria? Are there? Jont amid resourcing issues?
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: What does that mean? It means there's not enough resources.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: An explosive Victoria police link will revealed crimes scene detectives
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: will stop testing for motor vehicle related offenses unless quote
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: and you've just got to love this language. Nexus evidences
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: exist to support a forensic link. One wonders how they
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: would get the nexus evidences of a forensic link without
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: conducting forensic testing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Crazy to about that are more insurance claims for stolen
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: vehicles in Victoria than in all other Australian states put together,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and they're not doing fingerprinting very quickly. The Adelaide Advertiser's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: got a couple of interesting stories.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Ex.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Hell's Angel in jet blu sting former Hell's A former
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Hell's Biki Angelo Pandelli has been deported to Adelaide after
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: being detained while allegedly hiding in a toilet on a
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: private jet in Bali. Apparently he was trying to get
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: from Indonesia to Mozambique on a false Brazilian passport. They
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: found him in the toilet and he has been deported
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: back to Australia. And the other story of interest fire
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the Lyre fund draws elbows aire good headline one Nation
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: stunning fire the Lyre fundraiser racking up two million dollars
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and counting will show you the count in just a moment.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Has rattled the Prime Minister, who is questioning the figures.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: When asked about the millions pouring in and irritated, Anthony
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Albanesi shot back on Thursday at the media, did she
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: though what evidence is there?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: One Nation have since produced an audit to verify that
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it's not been bankrolled by Gina Reinhardt. Is at least
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand Australians who have donated. Here's the latest,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Live Telly, what are they up to now? It's still going.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a There you go, two
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: point six million dollars and counting, and that's in less
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: than forty eight hours.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I do love watching this.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I do incredible. All right, we're going to go to
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back. You've heard of the
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: movie Snakes and a Plane. Well, it's actually happened. We'll
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: talk about that next week.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: In some breaking news, Donald Trump has just made an
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: announcement reh his intentions for Iran. He's made the announcement
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: on truth social media. He's written, the United States will
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: be hitting Iran, whose Navy, air Force, radar, anti aircraft
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: and all other forms of defense, together with most of
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: its offensive capability are gone.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: We'll be hitting them very hard tonight.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: At some point in the not too distant future, we'll
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: be taking carg Island and other oilil infrastructure points and
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: assume total control of their oil and gas markets, much
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: like we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: for both Venezuela and the United States of America. And then,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: with his signature, thank you for your attention to this matter.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump announced they'll be hitting Iran hard tonight and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: then they intend to take control of all of the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: nation's oil and gas.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So things have certainly ramped up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Well, you remember exactly this time, exactly this place last night.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I said, this was exactly what Donald Trump needed to do.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: And I'd just like to say thank you for finally
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: taking my advice. See how well things are working out now.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: But he's he's got to do it. If he looks
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: like he's you know, he said, you know, Taco Trump
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: always chickens out Iran. Just go oh, we can just
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: run rings around this guy. We don't have to do anything.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: So you've got to get in there and just like that,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: that's my impersonation of a B two bomber.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It'll be a big news day tomorrow, absolutely happening huge.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Another story to rival that one, as the movie Snakes
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: on a Plane, which has been seated in the imagination
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: of many a cinephile, actually coming to life. Yes, there
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: was an actual plane with actual snakes on. It was
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: left out of action while Crewe and animal experts. That's
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: the artist's reconstruction of a snake, while crew and animal
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: experts attempted to find a mysterious slithery passenger who bought
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: it a flight from Mexico to the UK. No, it
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: wasn't El Chapo, it was a snake. It was an
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: actual snake. It escape on a packed UK bound plane
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: and the repdot still hadn't been found four days later,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: So it is so still out there. And as Samuel L.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Jackson once said, summing up the mood of many of
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: those passengers, I am so boo sick of these boop
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: snakes on this boob plane.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: The plane was out of action for four days a
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: cleaner founder. Thank god it wasn't found though by a
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: passenger midflight. Could you imagine the commotion, Jimmy I hope.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: We've got time to leave you with the best story
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: of the week, and that is the best story of
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: the week is the dancing centenarian Bernard Gilbert. He started
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: dancing when he was nineteen forty. We're going to show
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: you right now and leave you with something to make
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: your heart a little bit happier.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: So how can you not feel good about the world
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: when watching Bernard.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Atte moves like one hundred years old. Little legend.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That's it from us stick around. Coming up is the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Rita Penney Show.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Good Night,