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Talks to Craig Williams about his choice of The Mind of Evil (2/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump. Pen knife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker. Quicker.
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  Welcome back to Hamster With a Blump in Life the Doctor.
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  Finish your coffee first. Thank you, Hang.
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  On How did you swallow that? Quick.
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  No, I won't go back. Much practice, commentary,
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  podcast. I am here today with a
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  delightful gentleman. I'm having a wonderful evening
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  with Mr. Craig Williams. Hello.
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  Hello, Joe. Hello Joe.
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  There's an obscure There's an obscure Simpsons reference for
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  you. What do you got in your mug?
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  And tea. Oh.
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  What does it say on your mug? It oh, it says I'm here.
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  Whole launder is limited. It's from.
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  It's from Regan's Magic Man. Oh, sorry, I could only see how
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  I thought it was an advertisement of your life.
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  Have you still got the bag in your tea?
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  Oh yeah, I always drink the tea with the tea bag in.
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  Oh. I think it's been.
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  I think it's because I need like a strong drink.
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  It's because I'm a teacher. I'm not allowed vodka, so I've
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  got to keep the tea bag in the tea.
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  Do you? Know what?
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  I'll just sit downstairs a minute ago, right?
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  I just made this coffee and I have it black.
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  And I was doing it in a hurry. I was like, I don't want to keep
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  him waiting too long. So I just, I just opened the jar
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  and poured the coffee in. Half the cup was full of coffee.
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  I was like, I need a new cup. Yeah.
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  Did you like it, Black Jaw? Oh, mate, Right.
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  Let me tell you a story. Okay.
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  So when my marriage broke down of 60 years, yeah, I never slept
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  with a black man, right? So I decided I was going to
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  sleep with as many black men as I could in those couple of
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  years. Did he have A to do list like
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  the monk? I didn't.
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  But, Gee, I had some fun. And I'll tell you what, It's all
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  true. It's once you've had what, once
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  you've had black, you never go back.
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  Nah, it's about. The.
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  How did we get here so early in the episode?
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  It's cause it's cause the color machine looks like a massive
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  black appendage. Actually, it does, don't it?
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  I wish they'd bring that as a toy.
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  People always say that the Ledger Hive helmets look like
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  palaces, but they're forgetting the color machine.
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  Nothing's worse than that. Jody Witter cotardis the
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  console. Yeah.
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  You see the toy of that? Yeah.
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  It's disturbing, I'll tell you. Well, that was a good clue about
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  what we are talking about today. And that's not black penises.
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  It's the mind of evil. It is the mind of evil.
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  Hooray. We had great fun with episode
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  one. We did.
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  Hurt with rudeness, habit of pixsembling, and even more
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  fabulous, Fernanda Marlowe. Yeah, I mean like.
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  What pretty set of Fernando and picks?
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  Oh, I'd go with that rather attractive Chinese girl.
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  Oh, which you now? I bet Fernando Marlo's like on
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  this, on in behind, the kind of seething, you know?
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  Why? Why isn't?
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  Why isn't no one saying them? Could you go in that, you know,
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  go to the very lovely corporal bells office, you know?
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  Although I'm sure I'm sure the Brig tells that lay on a GP a
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  few times though. She she's she's seen the mind of
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  evil pop up in her podcast Capture.
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  She's gone. Listen to that one, OK, We'll
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  see. Craig Williams.
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  What pick? Semlin.
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  Bastard. We've shattered their friendship
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  after 50 years. We have.
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  Sorry, girls. She did Chuck the right after
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  also. Yeah, so she's the right person,
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  I think. I think they did separate, you
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  know. Yeah, they did.
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  But I do like the idea that he's writing these lines like a
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  rather attractive Chinese girl to to kind of like, you know,
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  convince his wife to stay. Yeah.
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  Some people write love letters, you know.
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  Some people send flowers. No, Don Horton writes.
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  Eh writes attractive line, writes lines in his scripts to
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  kind of it to flatterer. There's a bizarre bit of
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  nepotism going on in both of his stories because.
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  Sheila also faced from inferno was Dougla Campbell's wife.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's rife nepotism. And Michael Ferguson's
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  brother-in-law, Rick Falger, appears on Ambassadors of Death.
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  It's it's rife. I'm sure there's I'm sure
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  there's more examples. Oh, and of course, William
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  Morrow was married to Fernanda Marlowe.
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  Oh yeah, we've debunked that in episode.
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  Yeah, well, look, this is the episode which brings us John
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  Levine into the story A. Widely famous.
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  Classical actor, the screen and. Yeah, yeah, what is it?
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  Hartnell says. I'm a legitimate actor.
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  Yeah, yeah. I'm a legitimate character actor
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  of stage and screen. Oh, don't think.
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  John I I bloody love that interview of it.
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  No, but John Living did claim to be up for James Bond at one
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  point, apparently. Oh really?
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  Yeah, a bond from Salisbury. Well, should we go and?
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  See him in action. I think he's doing some kind of
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  like secret agent surveillance shtick in this one, but and gets
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  his head stuck in some railings. Brilliant.
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  Hey, this is closest he ever got the bombs.
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  Yeah. I know, apart from that big
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  Finnish story, Council of War, have you seen it?
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  He's on the cover with the gum like that.
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  Yeah, yeah, tucks. Wow, right?
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  His head's photoshopped onto it at least.
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  Yeah, yeah, they do that all the time now.
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  And you can always tell. Have you listened to?
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  John's recent performances in big finishes, Benton is he Has
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  he still got the magic? No, my offer off.
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  That's a brilliant impression of him.
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  Is it really of landlord in one episode and?
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  Benton's now pub landlord. Apparently so, yeah.
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  Undercover. Oh, OK, right.
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  Yeah, well, he tried. When John Levine found out that
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  they'd wrote Benton out in Modern on Dead as a car dealer,
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  he was livid. And he now he so he goes around
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  now, said Oh yeah, though I know they said I was a car dealer,
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  but it was. It was undercover, you know.
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  Did you ever watch that um Toby Haydoke documentary with him?
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  He's got, he's got cupboard with his pressed unit, uniform way
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  and every single DVD of the Doctor stories he's in.
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  That's. It yeah, yeah, Hello.
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  When Toby walks, it was kitchen and goes John.
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  Would you normally have a Fender Stratocaster in your kitchen if
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  you weren't being filmed for documentary and you just pick
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  some stuff to play, you know? My, my, I have a John Levine
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  story about his uniform. Do you want me to tell it now or
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  during the episode? Well, let's press play and then
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  tell me. Yeah.
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  All right. I'll, I'll tell it.
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  I'll tell it when the when when the egomaniac comes on.
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  OK. Do you want me to do 321?
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  Yeah, If you go, we'll. You're an expert at this now.
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  Yeah, I know I can count backwards until I'm a nursery
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  teacher, 33. I'll do it slowly this time.
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  I bet. I bet people have said that in
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  the past. 321 Let's play. You're with what?
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  Right, We were fired. Some messages back and forth
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  earlier, right. And he's going, just make sure
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  you laugh at my jokes. And I thought to myself, oh God,
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  yeah, it could be funny at all. Turns out you're bloody
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  hilarious. Right, Go on.
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  What's your John Levine story? Right, so this was about. 2007,
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  I think it was, it was Liz Slaton was there.
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  I think she just done the first series of surgery.
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  It was one of the most bizarre conventions of have been to the
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  they couldn't fill the hotel that it was too small.
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  So they kind of erected this massive marquee attached to the
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  back of the SO and it was really windy because you're in the
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  northeast, so it's windy anyway. And then it was just kind of
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  like to the the the the wind was blowing the the walls of the
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  tent were rattling all the time. Anyway, John Levine was there.
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  And in it was, it was a Saturday and Sunday thing and on the
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  Saturday he was there dressed in the wine shirt and high fiving
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  everybody. He was with his then wife who
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  kind of had this kind of like your Colonel type presence of
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  always like just standing behind him, like silently not saying a
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  word. She was like like his minder.
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  But I think they've switched up now.
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  But he always like cries about her and whenever he's
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  interviewed I wish you'd take me back, blah blah blah.
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  Anyway, so on the Sunday, he turned up to his panel in a
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  replica of Benton's uniform. And then he and he start to
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  rundown the aisle making guns with these fingers going check
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  this out this is a replica Benton uniform I kill.
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  I killed many a life form in this bang, bang.
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  You're doing that off. Bang Bang Bang Bang bang and
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  then and then the and then the organizer kind of came to him
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  quietly and took one side and went John, could you please be a
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  bit more respectful. It's remembering Sunday.
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  Was he really? Yeah, it genuinely, yeah.
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  And then and then and then we and then we did, then we did.
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  Then we did the five minute silence at 11:00 or sitting,
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  sitting in this tent. And every so often, John would
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  punctuate the silence with Don't be afraid to cry.
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  Always mad. And it is mad as a box of frogs,
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  that fella. And I I was told I had a very,
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  very effeminate handshake. You don't like?
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  He's going, he's going, he's going, he's going.
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  You need you need a firm handshake.
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  If you don't give a firm handshake, the suits will think
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  you're a Pansy. What's wrong with that?
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  You. See what he wears on those pink
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  shirts? You know, yeah, yeah.
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  Anyway, should we concentrate on John Perry's magnificent acting?
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  Let's move away from the. Story.
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  Thank you. That's all right.
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  I told it to Katie Manning once and and she said killed aliens.
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  You never left Earth, honey, you know.
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  I've heard now you know that she won't go to conventions where
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  he's at. I'm not.
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  Surprised. Yeah.
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  You see? Like a while, a while ago he got
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  like he got because the Salisbury poisonings.
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  Happened where he lived, he kind of decided to do like a mini
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  documentary on the on the on it and it all got taken down and
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  got accused of being disrespectful and stuff and.
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  Well, my Utopia convention recently, right?
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  Apparently he's on the stage, he's not ranting on about
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  politicians, how he's going to tear their throats out, and he's
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  starting out on about paedophiles.
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  And he's not talking about Doctor at all.
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  That's the audience crying. I'm not surprised.
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  But yeah, I don't really like any any DVD copy the Inferno
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  commentary because we didn't know what he was like then it is
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  is a bit of a laugh because I wasn't expecting him you know
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  like like I played the Prime or like like Richard the 3rd and
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  and and that that it that was it was at the time monster
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  commentary where he where the the baby who played Benton sadly
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  sadly passed away like the next year and he went well at least
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  the baby the baby died but at least it got to be in Doctor
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  Who. And do you know what?
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  I don't think he means to be offensive.
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  No, no, no. I think he's a nervous man.
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  Yeah, I do. I do.
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  I yeah. He's just trying to be.
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  He's like the soldier or just trying to be popular.
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  Well, you mean his his yits. Am I?
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  Am I? Do the line again please.
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  You're coming with me, Doctor, even I have to use force.
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  You deserve to be honest. You deserve that anyway for
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  saying she's quite a Dolly about epic Sun limb.
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  And then he tries that look, he really does need you.
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  Why don't you say that in the first place?
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  This is this is where the doctor is a complete twat to Joe which
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  which she she offers to kind of say like I'll I'll stay here and
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  look after things and then he just he just turns.
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  Joe for once in your life would you manage not to ruin things
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  Rather not. Thank thanks for that Joe.
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  It's really appreciated. Look at him, man.
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  People always talk about stop the sandwich stealing scene in
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  the Seadels. He's an absolute pricky.
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  Yeah, look at him, man. With his finger about.
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  He goes. And and she.
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  And she And she. To lock that door.
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  Do you understand? Yeah, yeah.
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  That very simple. You're a.
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  Woman, aren't you? But look at she gives him like,
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  the most gorgeous of smile afterwards.
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  Yeah, and he's just being a talk to her.
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  Oh, don't, don't. Don't forget his.
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  Kate. Mike.
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  Up in there, right with men who are arrogant pricks that treat
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  you like that. Then when they got something,
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  you know you're still smile. Oh, here we go now, Secret agent
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  Benton Double tells UP. Yeah.
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  I'm getting Bond vibes, you know.
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  Well, actually, I was just thinking though, like the first
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  time we saw Benton, he was doing surveillance work like this.
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  He was. He's tracking the 2nd Doctor and
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  Jamie in a car. Yeah.
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  So maybe that. And location fact, this is where
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  they filmed the war machine. It's the same St. you know where
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  they where they put that like ring.
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  Yeah, yeah, rope around it. It's exactly the same place.
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  The rope around it? Yeah.
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  The Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was killing machine.
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  Or at least according to the Doctor this episode.
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  I'll look at him. I I really want Imagine if you
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  got his head like properly stuck in that rail link, it'll be
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  amazing. Low angle shots though, yeah,
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  yeah. It would have been funny,
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  though, if he spent the rest of the story with a bit of railing
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  around his head. Doesn't he get, Oh no, I'm
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  thinking enough. This is the one where he gets.
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  He's got like a bandage around his head.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't have a he has a very
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  kind of like, you know, for all of John Levine says that Benton
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  was a loyal hero. He he has quite a kind of a.
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  A very bad story here. He faints and collapses, he gets
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  hit over the head and then you get some horrible comedy shtick
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  being like the governor of the prison and stuff.
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  Which is Oh yeah. Just which is tall curling.
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  Well, you've just been for a bit here.
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  And then he goes back to the Brigadier and says I've lost her
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  these horrible. As it should be.
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  So you're not a Benton fan, then?
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  Well I think my my opinion of the actor is is is cause kind of
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  like. Infested my.
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  Thought of the character. It does happen, yeah.
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  Yeah. Do you know what with it?
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  I think I'm strange. All this sort of shooting in
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  front of the houses, the leafy streets, the parks.
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  I love all of this. I love it.
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  Oh, here he is. I love the kind of.
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  Thing the man wearing, and it is.
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  Because you meant to kind of like go, oh God, it's the
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  master. And we do that because we're
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  fans, but would would like the people watching at the time.
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  When was he? He was in the part three of
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  Terry, the Ottos, wasn't it? Where he was in it where he was
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  a telephone engineer. So it's not that long ago so but
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  those. Three stories.
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  He wears one of those terrible masks, and every he doesn't
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  talks backs on as well, doesn't he?
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  When he. Yeah, he's like an he's like an
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  army general but, but, but where if we think about it kind of
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  like in story terms, where does he get the masks from because.
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  And he suddenly Michael Wisher right and he pulls the mask off.
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  So did did he have like a kind of like a mask of of Rex Farrell
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  in his pocket for emergencies to use?
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  Who or can he just kind of like some of them up from midair?
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  I've. Seen his arse pocket?
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  He's been to a joke shop and brought.
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  Yeah, so here we here we. This is actually quite a good
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  thing because when it got recolored we found out that the
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  master was in Newcastle United fan from his from his scarf.
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  Well, there you go. Or.
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  Or Fulham. I think they playing black on
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  it. No, but.
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  How would it surprise you snow on, though?
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  Very little about football. But it but it it, it bores me
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  rigid and it and what it does to people like you know it.
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  Many animals. Well, there was a case in it up
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  in Newcastle about 10 year ago where a man, a football fan, is
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  completely drunk. He tried to punch a horse in the
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  face. It just turns people.
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  Yeah, it just turns people in the knob heads.
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  That weird pack mentality, isn't it?
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  Well. People, people take piss out
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  like, you know, sci-fi and doctor.
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  You fans don't ever take the piss out of football fans, even
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  though it's the same sort of like, you know, allegiance, you
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  know, being a lead, being, you know, like, allege something,
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  you know, Is that a word? Allege?
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  I feel like football fans are scary with their fists are just
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  scary on Twitter, you know? I'm writing capitals a lot.
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  Yes, with exclamation Marks and plenty of them.
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  He leaves the mask in the tent. We don't.
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  Care you? Know this bit in a minute.
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  I know I mentioned it already in the litter here.
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  It's the quintessence of call. Yeah, yeah, cigar.
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  You're late, Captain. Oh, I don't know the way out of
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  her face, though. You know how we should hold her
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  back against her will. Very Russell Brand, allegedly.
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  Very Vasal from the keys of Mariners.
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  Yeah, I know well. There's a bit later, like Joe is
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  the only female in that prison when all the prisoners break
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  out. If this was series, one should
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  have been raped as many times as Barbara, right?
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  Yeah, I know. What were they doing back?
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  Then oh oh here's here's this story is non speaking only black
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  actor we had we had Roy Stewart in the last story as the
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  strongman. This week, we've got the master
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  chauffeur. The sinister chauffeur.
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  Yeah, officers who's black and has no lines again.
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  Yeah, I know, I know. It was a troubling time for
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  representation. The trouble is in a fantastic
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  role for somebody. Yeah, I think Cotton, they
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  choose Rick James. Yeah.
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  And the name Cotton as well but you think Oh yeah well it's got
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  Chinese actors in this one so that's that's good but they're
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  only Chinese actors because the because they're Chinese it's
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  what defines them. You know it's it's not like
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  they're just I mean Dr. Summers was a it was Chinese that'd be
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  that'd be fine you know. I'm going to say that because we
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  do have a couple of Chinese characters, we have a black
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  character, and we have at least three women, this story is doing
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  better than about 90% of the 70s.
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  That's. Not a great fact, but yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. There's a true fact.
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  Isn't isn't the yeah, the guy they're going to see the the
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  Chinese ambassador. Yeah.
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  He's he's played by an actor called Christopher Come.
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  And with a key. And then apparently the original
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  actor they got for the role was so bad they had to refill and
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  all these things, all those scenes.
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  Yeah, Tim, you guys. It was so awful.
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  I didn't know what I was going to do when over the fellow who
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  cars. Yeah, the agency of China.
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  You ran the agency of Chinese actors?
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  Yeah. It's like Derek Sherman's be.
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  I was just fuck out to do it myself.
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  It's very funny, you know that Pixen Lynn apparently gave John
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  Potley a little bit of lessons and hockey and.
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  And then she says on the government tree, I was watching
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  it back last night and I can't understand a word of what you.
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  Know but but but but he does it so earnestly.
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  You know he gets away with it. You know you look so serious
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  doing it. This this is here where they
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  they put cap. They put the subtitles on and
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  being a kind of a bit of an OCD fan I like how they've used the
• 19:04
  same typeface as the as the closing credits for the for the
• 19:07
  subtitles. But I love the bit later on.
• 19:09
  Where he? He kind of, um, consoles that
• 19:12
  Chin Lee after our after a hypnosis thing that he's lovely
• 19:15
  enough to say. You'd never have done that with
• 19:17
  Joel. Be very.
• 19:18
  Gentle. And he is gentle with Joel.
• 19:20
  Yeah, yeah. He's a bit ambassadors where he
• 19:22
  wakes up after being attacked and he lists shows like he's
• 19:25
  stroking Liz Shaw's face and things.
• 19:27
  Or the bit with Sarah Jane and after the Daleks when he strokes
• 19:30
  her face and says, you know you go with them.
• 19:32
  If I don't come back, he can be gentle.
• 19:35
  I think he had. I think he had a thing for Liz
• 19:37
  Shaw. And list like doctor.
• 19:41
  No, I think perfectly like the Doctor.
• 19:43
  Like fancied Leshaw. He named his car after her.
• 19:48
  I won't be too. And I have heard that mooted
• 19:50
  before. I'm perfectly convincing you.
• 19:53
  Fancy the arse off, Lislet and why wouldn't you?
• 19:57
  Absolutely beautiful. You see, we're starting to enter
• 19:59
  the whole buffoonish, Brigadier kind of like stuff now, aren't
• 20:02
  we? It's still.
• 20:04
  It's still sort of gentle. Yeah, it will be.
• 20:06
  But like, he's a doctor. Really.
• 20:07
  You know what? What are you filling with now,
• 20:08
  This infernal contraption? You do not.
• 20:10
  That's. It's the start of all that,
• 20:11
  isn't it? And he says something like, oh,
• 20:13
  he must be a hockey. And no, no doctor, he's Chinese.
• 20:16
  Yeah, yeah. We're starting to get him dumbed
• 20:20
  down a bit and that causes I like the line the master has
• 20:23
  later. While we're talking about taking
• 20:25
  the Mickey out of people is when he goes this great warhead and
• 20:30
  it's British made of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:32
  Yeah. British, of course, but he's
• 20:34
  ripping, I swear he's saying. Oh, it's throbbing.
• 20:39
  Dana. Dana.
• 20:43
  You see, you see, he's he's a hot, he's he's a hardened
• 20:46
  criminal. We don't know what Barnum did
• 20:49
  and because he's been turned into similar to look at, she's
• 20:52
  bringing him chocolates. Yeah.
• 20:54
  It could have been like, like a sex.
• 20:56
  You could have been a pedophile. He's reformed, yeah.
• 21:00
  And she's kind of doing some chocolates.
• 21:02
  Barnum, you know, dairy. She's offering, she's offering
• 21:09
  Barnum, a possible paedophile, her dairy box.
• 21:13
  Well, there are views. That's it.
• 21:15
  As well. Oh, he's got really hairy chest.
• 21:20
  Put it away, Barnum. It's the cheap ones.
• 21:23
  They're amazing. Sorry.
• 21:27
  The equivalent of dairy. No, not dairy.
• 21:29
  Milk. What they called.
• 21:30
  And then this you can still get. Milk, milk tray, and yeah, that
• 21:34
  sort of thing. Yeah.
• 21:36
  They'll see those adverts wouldn't be made now, where
• 21:38
  someone that you know breaks at someone's house, leaves a box of
• 21:40
  chocolates and dickies off it just that just comes across as
• 21:42
  like stalking. Now honestly, I'd love it if
• 21:45
  someone did it to me. Just forgo the sex, leave the
• 21:48
  chocolate. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:51
  Let's get straight to the good stuff.
• 21:53
  I love all this now with the the prisoners taking over.
• 21:57
  Yeah, this is this, this guy, Lenny Vosper.
• 22:00
  He's played by the guy who did the voices of the autumns in the
• 22:02
  Last story. What's the?
• 22:04
  Which is so, which is so odd really.
• 22:06
  What's the better word for this? Because I was going to say
• 22:08
  gritty then I didn't want to see the look at this taste on your
• 22:10
  face, because it is, but it's very adult, this.
• 22:14
  He is the man here he is. He's magnificent.
• 22:19
  He's mustache is brilliant he's but like I said he's acting in a
• 22:22
  different show. It's like every single 70's porn
• 22:25
  star. Yeah, yeah, gay or straight?
• 22:29
  But, but, but Lenny Vosper is just kind of taking a gun out of
• 22:32
  his bucket and put it under the pillow.
• 22:36
  So I would. It's the security.
• 22:38
  What, like ones with, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to put
• 22:41
  all these topical gags and, you know, just to date it.
• 22:44
  Thank you very much. This, to me feels like any drama
• 22:48
  you could put on now sitting in prison.
• 22:50
  Oh yeah. Yeah, but maybe, maybe like you
• 22:52
  know. People think it's it's it's a
• 22:55
  mature for Doctor Who because of because of the acting of the
• 22:58
  maybe we need like some sort of like avuncular Fletch from
• 23:01
  porridge type prisoner as well that kind of offset the the
• 23:05
  realism a bit Christopher Beacons character.
• 23:08
  Yeah, we need. We needed a lukewarm, yeah, to
• 23:12
  come in knitting. I just think as well, like just
• 23:14
  the fact that the set looks so convincing.
• 23:16
  Yeah, yeah, to town with the sound effects.
• 23:17
  The action looks good. Because it's two floors and it's
• 23:22
  like which you which you already saw.
• 23:24
  And he said they did a load of Foley work.
• 23:26
  So it did sound like people going up sort of carpool stairs
• 23:29
  they put in. So it sounded like they're
• 23:31
  walking up great. I love this but was always
• 23:34
  hobnobbing with the people in charge and they understand that
• 23:38
  my hockey ends never rusty. Oh, look at that thing out the
• 23:42
  window there, Look. Yeah, I would say it always that
• 23:47
  St. Paul's Cathedral, but it's not
• 23:48
  at all, is it? It's just like a.
• 23:51
  It's like a mosque or something. I do quite like his sweet,
• 23:54
  though, you know he's got a bit of decoration.
• 23:56
  Going on, I think when they did this with the original actor, I
• 23:58
  think it was on location or on film.
• 24:01
  So yeah, so when it was remounted with Mr. Cum, they
• 24:06
  made this amazing set for him. You have to say that again,
• 24:09
  didn't you? Later on though, I don't know if
• 24:12
  it's the end of this episode. I think it might be, you know,
• 24:13
  when she turns out the lights and invites?
• 24:17
  And turns in turns in the puff, the Magic dragon.
• 24:19
  But like the sort of the atmospherics of it, the light in
• 24:22
  and that screen she's behind. It's very creepy.
• 24:25
  I'm. I'm.
• 24:26
  Really. I wish Tim Cook Coomer done more
• 24:28
  stroke off Tim Coom and his direction because I think he's
• 24:31
  impressed. There he goes.
• 24:35
  Right. I wish.
• 24:38
  And as much as I love Mela and William Marlow, imagine if it
• 24:42
  had been Reagan. Oh, it could have been, couldn't
• 24:45
  it? Because it's it would it would
• 24:48
  be good, because then it would have recognized the doctor and
• 24:49
  things. You'd have a bit of antagonism.
• 24:52
  You put me in here, blah blah blah.
• 24:53
  Like we said, there's some details they remember in the
• 24:55
  pony. Why not this?
• 24:57
  Yeah, I remember in. Per, though, he deserved another
• 25:00
  another stint that's supposed to be a cityscape out that window.
• 25:04
  Now it's all stretching off into.
• 25:06
  This, this is, this is the Chinese girl.
• 25:08
  What Chinese girl? They're other attractive ones.
• 25:12
  All of this, they're going to dump this nuclear missile in the
• 25:14
  bottom of the ocean. Yeah, well, this is this was on
• 25:17
  now there because it's his. I know, I know, I know.
• 25:20
  David Attenborough will be appalled, but that's he's kind
• 25:25
  of yours. Has to have a little sermon,
• 25:27
  doesn't he, In the about about about the environment or about
• 25:29
  greed, or about, you know, the state of the state of this
• 25:32
  pitiful planet. Brigadier, you can take take the
• 25:34
  world you've got Yes of it. Yeah, I I love that.
• 25:38
  Is that the one invasion of the dinosaurs where he goes?
• 25:40
  It's not the it's not the slime of the chemicals that's ruining
• 25:43
  the Earth, Brigadier. At some degree, it's actually
• 25:47
  just goes and then walks out of the room.
• 25:51
  Well, never mind. Let's go.
• 25:54
  You need to have like a Jerry Springer final thought like icon
• 25:56
  in the corner of the screen but had a general alert for a
• 25:59
  Chinese girl, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:01
  Every single child girl in London is being pulled in.
• 26:06
  Yeah, I don't like this bit very much.
• 26:07
  He doesn't call with the cigar. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:10
  You're a late captain. Yeah.
• 26:13
  No, he's a statistic bastard. The Master.
• 26:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's called the Master.
• 26:17
  It's true, I've met many, many who are.
• 26:22
  You know I am the master. You know, I'm sorry to do this,
• 26:28
  but there's something about a bad boy.
• 26:29
  I don't know what it is. You know, it's it's the You
• 26:33
  shouldn't go there. Ness of it.
• 26:37
  Male is great. Oh, where the master turns up
• 26:41
  with all those bombs. There you go.
• 26:43
  Right. Yeah, all the prison girls.
• 26:47
  And Dudley Simpson put some music on.
• 26:49
  It goes, yeah, when he throws the bomb.
• 26:51
  But I'd like to think they're actual sound effects from the
• 26:53
  bombs, but it's a bizarre. Oh, he clicked.
• 26:55
  He clicked his fingers there and turned off Dudley Simpson.
• 26:58
  I love that. I clicked your fingers with
• 27:00
  gloves on. Yeah, yeah, He's kind of like
• 27:05
  do, do, do and he clicks fingers and Dudley Simpson stopped.
• 27:09
  If only about that, I'll have enough of that.
• 27:11
  Yeah, yeah. But it does make it sound as if
• 27:13
  they could hear that in the car. Maybe the chauffeur's playing on
• 27:17
  his on his radio. There is a weird mixture of like
• 27:23
  the very adult, the prison, right?
• 27:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the very childish which is
• 27:30
  the box tricks. And the plastic dragon that
• 27:33
  looks like the BLOB from another world?
• 27:34
  Yeah, yeah. Is it a weird mix?
• 27:37
  Oh no, it it it works, but it shouldn't work.
• 27:41
  I think it works because they all just take it so serious.
• 27:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah.
• 27:45
  But I said if people sell, it's really real.
• 27:48
  I'm sorry. If it was real, Jaw would have
• 27:49
  been put in a cell by her own and the producer would be going
• 27:52
  in one by one. You know you know you.
• 27:56
  Talk about the gritty realism. That's gritty realism.
• 27:59
  No one wants to say that, though.
• 28:00
  Did you see Corporal Bell there? Put in the curtains aside?
• 28:05
  Morning break. Don't really take down on the
• 28:09
  desk. She should have some loyal
• 28:11
  about. I'm not your maid, you know.
• 28:13
  Or something like where she goes.
• 28:15
  That chin Lee been all Sinner. What's going on with the light
• 28:17
  in here? Always a swing lie, isn't it?
• 28:20
  That's going back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's
• 28:23
  found herself in the Cullen title sequence.
• 28:25
  Oh, my gosh. You should say it like Juno
• 28:27
  Baker. Hello.
• 28:28
  Can I speak to the American delegate, please?
• 28:31
  Yeah, Come over if you're not too tired.
• 28:34
  I love Juno Bakers. Now there's someone who should
• 28:36
  have been remembered. I know.
• 28:38
  It's a shame, isn't it? There was a there was a tweet
• 28:41
  the other day on. I'm still gonna call it tweets
• 28:43
  and Twitter because it is. It is because I I do have hope
• 28:45
  that one day it's all gonna be changed back to how it was.
• 28:47
  But yeah, it was like, what's the greatest telephone
• 28:50
  conversation in a film or TV? And loads of people.
• 28:53
  I put Juno Baker on it too. Is yeah, she is an icon.
• 29:00
  Yeah, International now with Chinese American.
• 29:04
  Is this actor generally American, do you think?
• 29:05
  I don't know. I think he might be, actually.
• 29:07
  You know, it's into his accent. I was like, yeah, there's the
• 29:11
  arrogance there. Yeah, I bet he's a Republican.
• 29:13
  Well, I think a lot of them are, you know.
• 29:16
  Yeah, you see? Yeah.
• 29:19
  Look at the lawyer there. That it looks like it does look
• 29:22
  like a hotel. With like a horrible, like 70s
• 29:25
  carpet. Yeah, I've been some, you know,
• 29:28
  some conventions, you know that. Look at.
• 29:30
  There's a lot of that now. Yeah.
• 29:33
  Try going try going to a convention in a tent.
• 29:36
  That was. I was absolutely mad.
• 29:39
  Yeah. Because yeah it was its marquee
• 29:42
  attached to a hotel. So but all the kind of panels
• 29:43
  were in the were in the tent but there was a you know, I said it
• 29:48
  was Remembrance Sunday. Yeah.
• 29:50
  Fountain was interviewing Glenn McCoy.
• 29:54
  And he said that, He said, He said, He said.
• 29:55
  This morning we had a We had a silence for the war dead.
• 29:58
  Now we're going to have a minute silence for time.
• 30:00
  Lash. It needs it.
• 30:04
  Oh my God. They found it in Glen McCoy,
• 30:07
  pairing and. I don't sounds like a great
• 30:10
  convention. Where was that?
• 30:12
  It was, it was called Dimensions in it was in the whole the
• 30:15
  Holiday Inn in Washington. It was it was a Colin was there.
• 30:19
  John Levine Annika Wills, Washington, America.
• 30:23
  No, no, there's a there's a phrase that's gonna laugh at
• 30:26
  that bit. There's a There's a little town
• 30:28
  in in the Northeast called Washington, not too far away
• 30:30
  from someone. You understand my confusion,
• 30:33
  right? Yeah.
• 30:33
  Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 30:34
  Yeah. We've got we've got a new
• 30:35
  there's a New York in in in some in Newcastle as well right.
• 30:39
  This bit here. Right.
• 30:39
  It's it's the the machine makes you see what you fear the most.
• 30:43
  Yes. But but he he sees a giant
• 30:45
  plastic dragon with lockjaw, Yes.
• 30:49
  But and then in the next episode, we.
• 30:52
  The the ambassador says, oh, it's it's like a kind of like a,
• 30:55
  an apparition of my of my people.
• 30:58
  But why does he see that? And not like, you know, a giant
• 31:00
  Donald Trump walking towards him?
• 31:03
  Yeah. Or or something kind of or
• 31:05
  something kind of horrific from America in the 70s.
• 31:07
  It's so annoying because I just wanted to put in a monster,
• 31:09
  didn't they? They wanted to put in time for
• 31:11
  the kids. Yeah, but this is the this is
• 31:13
  the gritty and realistic mind of evil.
• 31:15
  That's right. And it's and it's and it's a
• 31:18
  pink plastic dragon which which they can't show in long shot
• 31:20
  because it looks so shit. Have you seen the pictures?
• 31:22
  Like oh. Yeah, yeah, you do see it brief.
• 31:24
  You do see it briefly Next. It looks like it's wearing a
• 31:26
  Cape. Yeah, it's all.
• 31:29
  It's all spins around. Yeah, yeah, but.
• 31:32
  And the other people can see it as well.
• 31:34
  Yeah. Which, which, which?
• 31:36
  Which shouldn't happen because yeah, you know what's annoying
• 31:40
  about it? It's probably the only, like,
• 31:43
  truly embarrassing part of the production.
• 31:45
  Yeah, it is, Yeah. Which?
• 31:47
  Is it's this story's magma monster isn't it All this
• 31:50
  story's Scarsen. There's always one you always
• 31:54
  show doctor do it like non fan and you got this is really good
• 31:56
  and there's always one thing in it that kind of blows it all.
• 31:59
  Have you heard what they're doing with the Scarsan for the
• 32:01
  new Blu-ray set? Have you heard?
• 32:03
  No. Are they going to do a new one?
• 32:05
  Should probably tell you this off my yeah, but they're doing
• 32:07
  it all in the right hair house and stop motion animation just
• 32:10
  like the original, just with the ability that they have.
• 32:14
  Now it look amazing. Oh, that's fantastic.
• 32:17
  I'm not sure I'm supposed to share that, but never mind.
• 32:19
  It's in the episode now. I'm sure they'll announce it at
• 32:22
  some point. Are you ready for some more
• 32:25
  questions? Yeah, go on, Inquisition
• 32:27
  continues. OK, here we go.
• 32:31
  Hang on, put your Linda Bellingham costume on and let's
• 32:33
  go. I remind you, Craig, that this
• 32:36
  is a court of law and not What's the line again?
• 32:41
  A debating ground for psychotic sociopaths.
• 32:44
  That's the one. That's the one.
• 32:45
  Sagacity. OK, hang.
• 32:47
  On and you want some mocks on you on your dinner.
• 32:50
  I love something. Oh, I used to love those
• 32:53
  adverts. They were lovely, weren't they?
• 32:55
  So that that that's a lost start of of an advert campaign being
• 32:59
  it being a serial story. Do you remember the old Hovis
• 33:02
  one as well when the fellow went running?
• 33:04
  Up. Yeah.
• 33:05
  Do you remember this one? I can't believe I'm going to do
• 33:08
  this. We like the red stripe.
• 33:11
  We like white. We like the blue stripe.
• 33:14
  And that's all right. Aquafresh is all free.
• 33:19
  Toothpaste family also. I had to finish it.
• 33:21
  Oh my God. Wait, one more.
• 33:22
  Do you remember this one? How do we get here?
• 33:28
  Blue car had a race all red to. Do was stuff his face.
• 33:34
  Yes. Oh, good old blue.
• 33:35
  He took the Milky Way. There we go.
• 33:37
  Oh no, the bridge is gone. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:40
  Carry on. But tomorrow, Blue Eater?
• 33:43
  The Milky Way. If you like a lot of chocolate
• 33:46
  on your biscuit, join our club. Oh my God, let's do the Doctor
• 33:50
  Who advert POD. It was a really good program on
• 33:52
  Channel 5 the night, which is not a sense to say very often,
• 33:55
  but it was like the best adverts of the.
• 33:57
  He's at night. He's really, really good.
• 33:59
  Oh, I'll sync that out. Okay.
• 34:01
  I'll do one last one. Yeah, well, Doctor Who escaped.
• 34:04
  This time by new. Walls I'm covering my face in a
• 34:10
  comedic fashion to show that I'm not the real Doctor Who, only
• 34:13
  six months. Doctor Who and the Space Raiders
• 34:17
  battling with Space Daleks. Oh, I love it.
• 34:24
  Oh damn. Looking at those cards it looks
• 34:26
  like the Hartle Dr. with it's kind of like a bizarre mix of of
• 34:30
  the first it's he's in Hartles costume but he and he's got he's
• 34:33
  got the long hair but it's black.
• 34:36
  Yeah, this is all. Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:39
  This is all good question here from Andy Parkinson, Lovely.
• 34:42
  Andy Parkinson. This is one of Michael Schid's
• 34:45
  many appearances. Where does it rank?
• 34:49
  Oh. Well, it's it's it's not exactly
• 34:53
  a Lawrence Carmen or a or a Murgrave, is it?
• 34:56
  Oh, I love Murgrave. He's yeah, he's yeah, he's
• 34:59
  lovely in Castro. No, I would.
• 35:02
  And he's in the Ark, wasn't he? I love him.
• 35:06
  But you can't. You can't really recognize him
• 35:08
  because he's got like a because the because the old.
• 35:10
  He's got a face mask on because it's like a COVID situation,
• 35:13
  isn't it? What about the invisible enemy?
• 35:17
  Oh yes, he's the villain. That.
• 35:18
  Is that the only time he's the villain?
• 35:21
  We he's like bushy for the monkeys, remember?
• 35:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Which is odd because he was the
• 35:28
  he was Mr. Bronson at the same time, wasn't he?
• 35:31
  So it's like, I think kind of are they doing like the
• 35:33
  crossover? They're just walking at the
• 35:34
  school and Mr. Bronson's there, Master Bible was game.
• 35:38
  Yeah, but it's all right. I think.
• 35:42
  I think. I think.
• 35:43
  We remember Dr. Summers not because of Dr. Summers, but
• 35:46
  because of Barnum going. I want to find Dr. Summers.
• 35:48
  Has anyone seen Dr. Summers? I think that's why we remember
• 35:50
  Dr. Summers, not because it's Michael shared, sadly.
• 35:55
  Good answer. 33 Joe is only 33. No, I don't buy I'm 43 and I
• 36:01
  look younger than him now. Simon Hart.
• 36:07
  Was this better in black and white or dust?
• 36:09
  The color copy role. I prefer this in black and
• 36:12
  white. It's got a kind of a yeah.
• 36:15
  It had a kind of, yeah. It had a grittiness and A and a
• 36:20
  grit to it in black and white. Actually, you know, I saw that
• 36:23
  that sort of fuzzy, grainy look. It did have a bit of a gritty
• 36:27
  look about it it. Did because they were they were
• 36:30
  film recordings weren't they? So that so the whole story was
• 36:32
  on film before they whatever they did they they they vid fire
• 36:36
  us and take the jerkiness out of it.
• 36:38
  Not, not, nothing wrong with it. The the jerkiness.
• 36:41
  OK those. The vid files were terrible.
• 36:44
  I thought everything looked a bit overexposed.
• 36:47
  I hate it when they redo the credits on the end.
• 36:50
  Yeah. And then you and then you watch
• 36:52
  the continuities on the Blu-ray and you see the original ones
• 36:54
  and and you realize that no, it doesn't look exact, doesn't look
• 36:56
  like that at all. Actors get actors get missed off
• 37:00
  the they use the wrong font or whatever.
• 37:02
  But I don't like it. I haven't got a question in Now
• 37:04
  you'd be kind. Or because he's a lovely kid, Is
• 37:09
  this subject matter too gritty an adult for Doctor Who?
• 37:15
  The prison aspect of it, yes, William Marlow's performance is
• 37:22
  a bit Sweeney and a bit target, but I don't.
• 37:27
  I don't have a problem with it. It's just the latest bit.
• 37:30
  It's just the latest on a long line of base under sieges, isn't
• 37:33
  it? Yeah, I guess so, yeah.
• 37:35
  Well, we haven't done the prison yet.
• 37:36
  Let's do a prison. I think it's the implied
• 37:39
  violence, yeah. And and yeah, that's a bit.
• 37:44
  But it's never, like said, all what they're all in for.
• 37:45
  But is it? So it's they could just be like
• 37:47
  a lot of shoplifters, you know, rather than like murders or
• 37:50
  rapists, although no one actually says that today.
• 37:54
  They just they're just like criminals.
• 37:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sort of general ambiguous term
• 38:00
  okay. Finally, and John Arnold asks,
• 38:03
  Is the master or the killer machine the true mind of evil?
• 38:11
  No, I I would say that the mind of evil is is the parasite, not
• 38:16
  the master. Because the Master does have a
• 38:17
  few moments of of light in this because he does say the Doctor
• 38:21
  doesn't he runs in and kind of lay on ties him from the thing
• 38:23
  when he's getting tortured. So and they they do just sit
• 38:27
  down and converse like old friends of mine says, it's
• 38:29
  lovely. But not the mind of evil is the
• 38:31
  mind parasite, not the master. I'll ask you a question, the
• 38:34
  final question of the day, and it's again.
• 38:36
  It's like the first episode. It's a question all about
• 38:39
  Daleks, North and South. It wasn't quite satisfying to
• 38:43
  hear. Jody Whitaker.
• 38:45
  Say Tim. Tim.
• 38:46
  Master rather than master. Yeah, it was, Yeah.
• 38:50
  Do we all sound incredibly middle class?
• 38:54
  Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah.
• 38:55
  It's one of the things in it. It's not called.
• 38:57
  It's not called thing is though. It's really honest that I would
• 38:59
  refer to him as the master, but because because everyone else
• 39:03
  says it that way rather than the Master.
• 39:04
  But yeah, it wasn't. I say that, but you did just say
• 39:06
  master. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:09
  But I think in the past or I have on occasion refer to him as
• 39:13
  the master, even though I don't say the word like that normally
• 39:15
  because everyone calls on that, I don't know how I'm going to do
• 39:18
  it. I'm somehow going to ask a
• 39:19
  dialogue based question at the end of three as well, yeah.
• 39:23
  Anymore, I I was going to say some and just the second does.
• 39:29
  The Does the does the doctor Mack him or tag him?