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Sister Wives S5 E1 - Polygamist Debt Threat · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You shut it off.
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  Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
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  Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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  That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
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  kidneys over all these years and
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  love you. We are entering the fifth season
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  now. Here on earth.
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  We have Four Seasons, winter, spring, summer and fall.
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  The Brown family is entering the
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  season, where you can find their
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  will never ever see. And it seems like it is the same
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  season of their life yet again, where they're looking for homes
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  next to each other. Yes, a lot has happened since
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  our last episode, which is actually nothing has happened.
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  So we're all up to speed. If you've listened to Season 4
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  then you're all up to speed. Nothing has happened since
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  season 3 technically because they ended in the same exact
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  spot. Yes yes Season 5 episode 1
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  polygamous death threat. Polygamous death threat Insert
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  sound effect. The episode opens with another
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  sumMeri of their move to Vegas.
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  So we need to be reminded again and again and again that they
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  moved to Vegas. The kids were not happy about
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  this but. Before they even summarize the
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  surrogacy offer. For some reason.
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  Let's bring that up again. End of season 3 surrogacy offer,
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  5, OK? Because we need to bring it back
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  again. Of course, welcome to Season 5.
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  First thing you see is a
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  reminder of the surrogacy that
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  head with. Yep.
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  After the review of the surrogacy, there is a broader
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  sumMeri of their move to Vegas, which gives Kody another
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  opportunity to talk about how the kids are unhappy and how no
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  one liked the move and that they
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  He references how their family
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  quote crumbling with them being in four separate homes.
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  And I thought that was interesting that he says their
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  family culture is crumbling. This show is weird because it's
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  there's like a this thing about the nature of the show where
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  we're just going along for this journey and whatever, but the
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  entire time that the show is airing, they're talking about
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  their family culture crumbling.
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  From the very first episode, Christine talks about how she is
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  they're telling us that things
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  they're showing a bunch of things that are trying to get us
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  to think that, look, things are going well and they're figuring
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  things out and we're just along for the journey.
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  When in all reality, the underlying thing is that
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  everything is falling apart and everything's terrible and
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  horrible. Yeah, they even have to show
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  meltdowns of the children during
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  They show Leon's meltdown during
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  They show a lot of the older children's meltdowns during the
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  move, and yeah, they keep harkening back to the family
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  crumbling, the change in the family dynamic and how they're
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  trying to get it back to that.
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  treadmill trying to get back to the way things were.
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  Yes, how they used to be when they were back at America's
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  home, the compound in Lehigh. Lehigh.
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  The flashbacks do include, at the end, all of the adults at
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  the cul-de-sac writing their checks for their properties,
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  which is of course a highlight
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  How could we ever forget that they all wrote checks from the
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  same place? But we don't know.
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  Not quite sure, perhaps. We could have another reminder
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  that they have 30 days to get their financing in order.
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  They need qualification approvals for financing in 30
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  days. OK, we got it.
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  We've been beat over the head.
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  They have 30 days to get their
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  approval letter for their financing.
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  There's a moment where Christine
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  always paid for the bills when
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  this is her first time. Like basically living alone and
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  being responsible for the bills of her homestead.
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  And so she says this is her first time paying for utilities
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  and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, a little
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  foreshadowing because this detail you wouldn't really care,
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  but it's coming up because we reference it later.
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  Yep, and she mentions that Robyn
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  great, but that hers is OK. And Meri's should be OK as well,
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  but particularly Robyn. Robyn is going to have some
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  trouble here, which I love. I also find it super interesting
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  that she's saying Janelle's credit isn't good and I was a
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  little shocked by that because
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  charge of the finances or has in
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  finances and keeping the family on track.
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  So in my mind, I automatically
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  responsibility of the debt, doesn't mean that it actually is
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  hers. Probably not.
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  Is the reason that she has bad
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  the family and she feels responsible, so she took it on
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  because she's in charge of the
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  Like I kind of got a bad feeling
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  I personally think that Janelle's not good with
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  finances. I think that in this family,
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  she's the one that can put pluses and minuses in a
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  spreadsheet or can keep a Ledger
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  But I don't think that she's good with money.
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  I don't think any of these people are good with money.
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  And I think that just because Janelle, they give her the title
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  of the bookkeeper and the person, that's whatever, I could
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  see that she would take on debt that's not hers for some
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  reason, because they like pooled things and they stole from
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  Paul to feed Meri or whatever the phrases are, you know?
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  And so that makes sense. It does go against the narrative
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  of like, oh, Janelle's so on top
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  finances. And I'm like, I don't think she
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  is. Yeah, they claim that she's the
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  frugal one, right? She's always the one that's
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  putting her needs last. And we hear that time and time
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  She doesn't want to buy sleeping
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  bags for the camping trip, right?
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  And yet her credit might not be great.
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  Yeah, I don't know that there's such a direct connect with
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  between being cheap and being good at finances, but.
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  They try to make it that way. We go to the next scene and
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  Robyn is going to a law office
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  help repair her credit. She's blaming the divorce, of
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  course. Of course she is.
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  Blames the divorce and says that
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  peace. And I went, what?
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  What? Yeah.
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  Oh, yeah. I totally believe that, too.
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  Like, I just don't believe anything these people say
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  anymore. I have a feeling my spider
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  sense, my Spidey sense tells me that Robyn was forced to take
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  the debt because it was hers. I suspect that she probably just
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  ran up a bunch of debt. I guess her ex-husband isn't
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  dumb enough to be like, yeah, I'll just take all of your debt.
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  Like, I don't really know, but
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  There's absolutely no way to prove that he racked up a bunch
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  of debt and she took it to keep the peace.
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  I don't think that's likely. So I don't know.
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  This whole episode, she is lying
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  Oh, yeah. You can tell because some of the
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  things that they show and some
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  are having. I would probably be crying if I
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  was her if it was really the case.
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  Like if that's really what she
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  crying. And we know her as sobbing
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  Robyn, the fact that she's talking about this stuff and not
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  crying and being so adamant and has her jaw in this certain
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  position. She does the little like, upward
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  thing with the jaw. Like, she's like got her nose in
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  the air a little bit when she's lying, and she's doing that the
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  entire episode. She is lying for most of this
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  episode I would assume. Maybe there was other stuff
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  going on and she decided to take
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  I just don't buy it. I don't buy it.
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  I don't know, and this is going to be gendered and horrible,
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  but most women that I know or I hear their stories when they
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  leave, their version of wanting to keep peace is not asking
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  for child support. It is not asking for spousal
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  support, It's not assuming the
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  So I've just never heard of this
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  an expert in the field by any stretch, but I've never heard of
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  a woman being like, I took the
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  divorced. Like no, I've never heard of
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  that. No, not unless you were like
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  fleeing and you were like scared
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  out of there. What she tries to play it off
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  as, which is what she's trying
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  poor like she's almost playing
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  here. And I don't like it.
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  It's phony and something super
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  And she's a lying to Kody. She is a lying to him and it
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  just feels very much like she's trying to convince him, even
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  throughout this episode, of her innocence in the divorce.
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  Yeah, she gets to be a victim.
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  And her whole marriage, her whole first marriage, the
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  divorce, all the whatnot, there's a lack of detail.
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  There's never any real examples given.
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  It's just that like a broad brush stroke of him being
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  terrible and him being horrible.
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  And he's not here to defend himself.
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  He doesn't get to have any say in anything.
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  And I think there might also be an element of how in life, as
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  time passes from things, you build up a different narrative
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  telling yourself and. I think, yeah, maybe he was an
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  I mean, I have no who knows what the deal is.
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  Yeah. I just have a hard time
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  believing that he was so bad and he was so horrible and she was
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  actually abusive and she just never wants to talk about it,
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  which is completely understandable and her right.
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  But I don't feel like that's the case.
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  And I feel like most women watching this, like, you can
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  suss things like this out. And it just feels very grimy.
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  And it feels like she's trying to convince Kody throughout this
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  whole episode of this narrative and this story that
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  she's built up to them to make them feel sorry for her.
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  Yeah. It's just super fishy.
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  Super fishy. Not very believable.
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  And Meri on the couch, she's like, they go from the scene,
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  you know, she's in the law office.
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  She needs to get her credit score up to 600.
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  And then they go to the couch and Meri claims they are working
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  We will not blame anyone. No, of course not.
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  How very diplomatic of Meri. In that same couch moment, Kody
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  says that the sum of their holes are greater than any
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  parts, which I love because I'm like, Oh my God, it wasn't
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  too long ago we were talking about Robyn's holes in a
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  previous episode, and now Kody's talking about the sum of
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  all of their holes is greater than the sum of their parts, or
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  whatever the phrase is. And I was like, oh good Lord, oh
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  definitely greater than the sum of his parts.
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  Yes, well, that's that's for sure.
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  What is it that the only thing they have in common is sharing
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  His manhood is what ties them together.
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  Oh God. They go back to the lawyer's
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  office and Robyn is asking if this can all be done in two
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  weeks. Two weeks.
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  If the lawyer can get her creditors settled in two weeks.
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  Right nuts.
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  I'm mind blown here. It's also weird because they had
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  30 days and So what was it like?
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  Maybe she couldn't see this person for two weeks.
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  But also, if you're filming, you have to be able to pull strings
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  with certain things. And it just seems more, you
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  know, Occam's razor, like all things being equal, the most
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  basic and most reasonable is probably true.
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  Robyn probably didn't do anything for like a week and
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  then was like, oh God, no, she she didn't.
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  Someone else told her that she had to do something about it.
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  I'm sure because she was so busy doing what?
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  She was so busy doing what, this entire time she's on the show.
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  So you go out and get a job at a gas station because you have to
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  make ends meet, but you do something.
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  We're now going into Season 5 and she's Hawking some stupid
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  jewelry business. It's like, bitch, earn some
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  money, do something. Oh God.
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  Well, the other family members like Kody and Meri are perhaps
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  bandwagon very easily. But.
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  She might have to do some social media posts and host a party.
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  You know, these are things she could not do.
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  Just too much for her. I don't think she has the mental
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  No, no, no. No.
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  Got a lot of laying around breathing watching other people
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  raise their children I. Don't understand.
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  I really don't get it. I think from the get go, when
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  you move there and you know you're looking for these homes,
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  you'd already be starting to try to build your credit back
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  up. Right.
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  Why would you only need 30 days?
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  Yeah. I think Kody said they'd been in
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  A year and a half. I mean, I don't know about
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  everybody else. I've been in a place where I've
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  had to work on my credit before, and in a year and 1/2, I
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  made quite an impact. Like, it doesn't necessarily
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  take years to improve your credit score.
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  Like, Oh my God, Oh my God. And I really think that if her
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  She has this whole sob story
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  that she's Hawking instead of cheap goods.
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  And it's like, why wouldn't you have with your children, you
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  know, filed for bankruptcy, applied for, you know, whatever
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  assistance you could have gotten
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  working when you supposedly you were a single working mom at
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  that time? Staying at your mom's house for
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  nine months, I believe later, she references nine months is a
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  chunk of time to get your act together, like it is to apply
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  for jobs and apply for programs,
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  what you've got to do. Yeah, but she thinks that
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  someones going to get her out of
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  She has this victim mentality.
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  come save me, help me please, like demeanor about her.
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  And even this just goes to show it because two weeks you had to
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  wait until you had two weeks left and somebody pushed you to
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  be like, well, we can't do this for you.
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  You have to go do this. You're technically not married.
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  He can't do it for you. Like, Oh my fucking God.
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  She had to be drugged there by
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  Someone else probably had to make the appointment and do
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  everything and then she bothered
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  Yeah. Also, we're going to get into it
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  later. I don't want to dwell on it too
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  much right now, but that whole
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  has this thing where she's like,
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  and my previous marriage to affect the family.
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  So it's like she's a victim, but
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  next level of like, I can't believe these bad things that
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  happened to me in the past could
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  So then she's almost a victim again because these things are
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  happening to her family members like.
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  Girl, you drove that entire baggage cart right up to their
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  front door. Shut the fuck.
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  Up Yes, she did. And she was like do you mind?
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  OK. And this can't go in the dryer
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  like? Do you mind?
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  Do your own fucking laundry. Is that a personal attack,
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  Chris? I've never heard any stories
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  about you or your laundry. OK.
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  Never has my husband ever shrunk
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  been shrunken. Yes, well, and this is Oh well,
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  perfect, because this is where
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  divorce affects the family. Now I've only got a couple of
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  weeks left. It's like an example of your
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  life. Sure.
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  It's just so ridiculous. It's so unnecessarily dramatic,
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  and she's the victim and everything's uphill.
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  It's like, girl, you had a year and a half to get your shit.
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  You knew this was. Coming No, I was given two weeks
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  I was. Given two weeks, I.
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  Was given two weeks of my diagnosis of credit.
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  God. Jesus 20.
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  Three years from now, the story will be Robyn was forced into
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  getting a mortgage and it was so
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  Or some bullshit, you know, like, it'll just be like, Oh my
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  God, girl. Like perpetually the victim.
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  Virtually the victim. Thank God we get a commercial
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  break. OK, but because we watch on
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  Discovery Plus, Ding Ding. Ding I back at it.
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  We didn't have to see any commercials, thank you
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  Discovery. Plus, I'm just saying that in
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  case anyone's listening that wants to reach out to us anyway.
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  So Janelle is going on her own
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  but hers isn't to figure out how
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  two weeks. Hers is to go meet Mona at a
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  model house at the, I was going to say the compound at the
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  development, yes, the cul-de-sac
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  they're moving to. And I love it because she
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  prefaces this visit with wanting
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  at the model house to see where she can keep costs low for her
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  home build. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
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  Our frugal queen. Listen, she might be bad at
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  keeping books. Doesn't mean she's not frugal.
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  Doesn't mean she's not cheap. She is.
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  The only reason that she's being
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  find this out a little bit, is
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  Because of guilt for being a bad
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  Right, because everything's always in shambles.
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  But see, they never had much to deal with.
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  So I don't want to be mean about
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  I just really think that, you know, like when everyone's
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  earning an F and then you earn
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  one. You're our D earner.
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  Like, cool. Everyone turns to you.
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  Everyone turns to the D student.
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  She believes that less rooms is going to equal less money.
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  So she's talking about how she just doesn't need that many
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  rooms. Her kids are all going to be
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  moving out and graduating soon. In the next few years, her boys
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  can share a bedroom. They're probably going to hate
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  Yeah. My God.
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  Kody thinks that they should do the five bedroom option with the
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  So basically like a six bedroom house.
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  Yeah, it's probably not legally. Maybe the office doesn't have a
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  closet. My assumption is that the models
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  the options that are available equaling the bedrooms.
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  Meaning let's say there's a four bedroom option and then a five
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  something where there's a little more room and there's more
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  options to put in the home. I'm saying this because when we
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  get to Meri's options down the road, she wants options that
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  only come with the five bedroom, not the four bedroom layout.
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  So of course she has to pick the one with more bedrooms because
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  What a selfish bitch. Exactly.
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  Meanwhile Janelle's going I only need 4 bedrooms for my 87
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  children. It's like Janelle, you know?
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  Yeah, maybe you should pick builder grade options everywhere
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  That's what I would do. But that's me.
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  I'm not earning AD in bookkeeping.
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  Allow your kids some privacy, you know, but they're probably
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  to sin so. It's best that they share a.
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  Room. Let's keep them all on top of
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  each other so they can't sin on their own.
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  No sinning in private. We do get some tidbits from
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  Janelle about their past finances.
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  She says that she has been resentful in the past about
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  money, particularly with Meri, for thinking Meri needs so much
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  with only one child. She talks about how she would
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  pay for large things in the past while otherwise didn't.
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  So I'm not sure what that has to.
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  I don't want to say what that has to do with today.
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  I think that was probably more of a past a pre TLC money thing
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  where she was the breadwinner. And I could see easily being
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  frustrated when you're looking at all the bills and maybe you
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  like the heat bill and the water bill.
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  And then it's like, look at my coffee table.
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  No child is ever going to scratch their name into this,
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  you know? And Janelle's like, yeah, mine's
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  And so you know, I can see it may need to make sense.
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  Yeah, she's always made more money and then paid more towards
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  But I think that when there is a higher earner in the family,
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  usually from my experience, the higher earner and the lower
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  earner, what you do is you, you put it together and you say
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  based on what you make, you pay this percentage towards the
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  bills. I pay this percentage.
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  So it's like equal in the end, almost based off of what you're
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  making. So your take home after the
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  bills are paid is still kind of the same, if that makes sense.
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  partner's taking home for, you know, maybe things that they
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  want to buy what you want to buy.
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  So it's it's odd to me that they probably, it sounds like they
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  didn't do that. It sounds like they turned to
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  Janelle and just expected her to pay more and didn't even figure
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  out the percentage that each family member should be paying
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  It feels like to me that she has been funding the family on her
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  And you throw in a husband who I'm convinced through fact and
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  made very little money in his life.
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  And I think that it's even easier to make less money when
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  And if the only one who's really aware of how little money you
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  make is Janelle in the way that I'm talking about, that has to
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  right now, like she's not going to say that on camera.
• 24:46
  But her husband was probably never really contributing all
• 24:49
  that much to their finances. They talk about Meri and Kody
• 24:52
  quitting jobs to go and do things that were more fun than
• 25:00
  jobs that were like what, Meri Kay, you got your little
• 25:04
  convertible? I mean, come on.
• 25:06
  They, I don't know, I think that they have taken advantage of her
• 25:14
  ticket and she's just kind of taken it because that's how she
• 25:20
  is like silent but sturdy. I don't know, Silent.
• 25:24
  And. Sturdy, silent and sturdy,
• 25:26
  Janelle it's. Janelle.
• 25:27
  But now that she has heard Meri's voice, Meri has all of a
• 25:32
  sudden figured out a way to communicate her hurt about how
• 25:40
  has one child. Well Meri's finally been able to
• 25:47
  the couch. So Janelle has defaulted to
• 25:51
  shoulder shrug. I mean, she doesn't really care.
• 25:55
  They show one clip of this cracked me up.
• 25:58
  They show one thing that Janelle
• 26:03
  Mona about one thing that she does want in her house and
• 26:07
  that is a pantry. Pantry.
• 26:09
  And it's because she buys in bulk.
• 26:11
  Yep. It's got a lot of mouths to
• 26:13
  feed. That's like a literally the only
• 26:15
  thing that she really cares about is the pantry.
• 26:18
  From what they show us anyways.
• 26:19
  Oh and the member, like she was like, oh, I don't necessarily
• 26:22
  need a dining room because my table could fit right here like
• 26:25
  in the breakfast area. Which they're just going to cut
• 26:27
  this house in half for you to like save money, but then you're
• 26:33
  Like what are you thinking? I could cut this entire space
• 26:38
  and put a dining room here instead of here to save money.
• 26:46
  home for you? It was so weird.
• 26:48
  I think what she's referring to, and this is just because I've
• 26:51
  seen the show, seen these things being built, is when you walk
• 26:54
  in, there's a room to the left off the foyer.
• 26:57
  Some people turn it into a study, some people have it as
• 26:59
  the dining room. I think that might be the option
• 27:05
  bedroom, and then the breakfast nook thing off of the kitchen
• 27:08
  can just serve as her dining room.
• 27:10
  The only reason I feel like that's a little weird is because
• 27:16
  hosting anybody ever fucking dinner, then you know the dining
• 27:20
  fine. And the fact that Savannah is
• 27:23
  probably gonna have two French doors for bedroom doors.
• 27:27
  Yeah. Oh yeah, with no.
• 27:29
  Like Savannah, I know that you gave a box of rocks for
• 27:32
  Christmas one year, but you still don't deserve this honey.
• 27:34
  Like you don't deserve you.
• 27:36
  Deserve a real bedroom in a new build in a new build.
• 27:40
  Yeah, you don't deserve French
• 27:42
  Don't even. Get a bedroom like my God, these
• 27:46
  people. They just can't let that box of
• 27:48
  rocks go. And so they're like, yeah, give
• 27:51
  her this. Kody's like that bitch gave me
• 27:54
  the worst Christmas present or
• 27:57
  was. It was Leon's gift.
• 27:59
  Oh, that's right, it was Leon's.
• 28:00
  Oh, that's right. Shit.
• 28:02
  Leon's been talking shit this whole time, Leon.
• 28:04
  Is not everyone against Savannah?
• 28:06
  They have this huge campaign against Savannah, yes, telling
• 28:12
  that box rocks. Denton.
• 28:13
  Janelle lets us know that each wife will get the same budget
• 28:17
  for their homes because you know, it is unfair to give less
• 28:20
  to Meri because she only has one child.
• 28:22
  So everyone should have the same budget.
• 28:24
  Makes it easy peasy lemon squeezy and all fair in love and
• 28:32
  Like, I get it that it's a production point and like, she's
• 28:39
  wives should get the same budget for their new build
• 28:43
  homes. I hope she's just explaining it
• 28:46
  because someone asked. I think she really did just come
• 28:48
  to that conclusion because she
• 28:52
  for her and Christine with having more kids and how they've
• 28:55
  had to budget a lot harder and
• 29:01
  pant. I got marbles in my mouth.
• 29:06
  I guess that we can't fault her.
• 29:09
  I've got Savannah's boxer rocks in my mouth right now, God damn
• 29:13
  it. Garbling them over here.
• 29:16
  And they ain't polished. Oh well, I mean, it would be
• 29:22
  harder for her and Christine. They have more kids.
• 29:26
  That doesn't mean Meri deserves less.
• 29:28
  We talked about this before. I truly believe that she is just
• 29:34
  I really think that. Well, good for Janelle.
• 29:37
  Yeah, we cut to her sitting at her table, and she's paying
• 29:40
  those bills. She's writing out her checks.
• 29:42
  She's ripping it out of the checkbook.
• 29:45
  She's licking the envelope with Janelle's licking lips and her
• 29:53
  She's paying those bills. When they cut away from her
• 29:58
  couch interview, she has this deadpan face, she makes a
• 30:03
  comment, she says OK, I don't care what she does, referring to
• 30:12
  the camera with her like deadpan, like white pale face
• 30:17
  and eyes, just like haunting, like staring straight ahead.
• 30:23
  Yeah, non blinking. Yeah, I don't care what she
• 30:26
  does. I don't care what she does.
• 30:29
  Do you not really couldn't tell that you don't.
• 30:33
  It was it was a crazy thing that they kept in.
• 30:37
  Yeah, that was a choice. They kept it in for a reason.
• 30:39
  That was a choice. Janelle doesn't look like she
• 30:42
  doesn't care. It looks like it still bothers
• 30:45
  Her eyes is like twitching. Yeah, her mouth is saying one
• 30:51
  thing, but her eyes, nose, and yes, that skin is saying
• 30:55
  another. Yeah, they really, truly kept
• 30:58
  that in for a reason. After this wonderful moment, she
• 31:06
  wondered what it would mean if one day I was done and ran away.
• 31:14
  responsible. I've always, yeah, I've always
• 31:18
  done the record keeping for the family.
• 31:20
  And I've just wondered, but what
• 31:23
  away? Like, yeah, you've probably
• 31:27
  really, really thought of this. The, the guy like her sitting at
• 31:35
  writing checks. And then there's just a fish
• 31:37
  tank in the background. And it's just like her again,
• 31:42
  being so serious yet not caring, but wanting to run away.
• 31:47
  And they're breaking the 3rd wall a lot in this episode.
• 31:51
  The 4th wall. The 4th wall, What would be the
• 31:56
  3rd wall? Like you're being in a triangle
• 31:58
  room. I don't really know.
• 32:00
  I think this is not the first time that you've referenced
• 32:02
  breaking the 3rd wall. And I'm like, it's the 4th wall,
• 32:08
  They're talking straight to the wives a lot, like the producers
• 32:12
  are obviously prompting with a lot of questions in this episode
• 32:21
  special insights. To their own detriment.
• 32:23
  Well, in Janelle's case, there's a lot of staring.
• 32:26
  A lot of staring and faking it till she makes it, but she
• 32:30
  doesn't make it. A lot of this is how it is
• 32:33
  because I'm matter of fact, I'm Janelle.
• 32:35
  I'm the bookkeeper. Like OK, girl.
• 32:37
  Hey, hey, instead of sitting at your desk with a blank wall,
• 32:41
  let's put you at your table in front of a fish tank.
• 32:44
  Pull her at the table thing. This is why I'm making fun of
• 32:47
  it. She's like ripping out her one
• 32:51
  She's is she even paying a bill? She might just be sitting there
• 32:54
  being like, I'm going to do this for the camera.
• 32:56
  Like it's just like, I don't know, I don't know.
• 32:59
  It's performative and not in a way that I'm buying so.
• 33:01
  It is. They also don't blur the check
• 33:07
  Christine. Oh no.
• 33:08
  Well, not like anyone would be like I know.
• 33:11
  Did you get the account number? Steal money from these guys.
• 33:14
  Don't say anything because now if someone steals money from
• 33:17
  her, they're going to be like that podcast.
• 33:18
  They were looking at her checking routing number.
• 33:20
  It's like the same from 2012. Right.
• 33:23
  We tried to write a $30 check and it bounces and it's like,
• 33:26
  good God, this family's terrible.
• 33:28
  It's their joint account still, no one's ever detached from it,
• 33:34
  even after all these years and everything that's happened.
• 33:38
  My sister wifes closet Oh, it's an online boutique and
• 33:46
  everybody's loving it I'm. Going to make us so much money.
• 33:50
  They're going to be rich, rich,
• 33:52
  rich. You on the wildest imagination.
• 33:56
  You're going to want to rewind.
• 33:57
  You're going to want to get that checkbook number real quick
• 34:00
  because my sister wife's closet is bringing in the bike.
• 34:02
  You're going to want you're going to want to come in fraud
• 34:10
  later on. Oh gosh, the closet up.
• 34:13
  Sell things that they don't have.
• 34:15
  Oh. Jeez, yes, well, you know, they
• 34:17
  have to get some photos for their new website for My Sister
• 34:21
  Wife's Closet because My Sister Wife's Closet is going to propel
• 34:27
  They are going to not have to worry about anything once they
• 34:30
  start selling their $300 pewter jewelry online.
• 34:33
  Pewter, great. It's going to be great.
• 34:36
  And they're going to meet with a
• 34:38
  for this website. Apparently this is the most
• 34:41
  creative photographer. He's renowned for his creativity
• 34:44
  and I'm like renowned to who to like Robyn when she's down at
• 34:49
  the like, wherever she goes, where does she even go?
• 34:51
  What does she even do? She's like, going to the Kmart
• 34:54
  to buy her blue light special shirts, purple blouses.
• 34:57
  And she's like, I heard there's a photographer in town.
• 35:00
  And the Kmart lady's like, yeah,
• 35:03
  Shane. He's so creative because he
• 35:05
  wears a black fedora and a red tie and big thick black glasses.
• 35:09
  Wears those thick glasses. He must be real creative like my
• 35:14
  God. Very of the time, the fedora the
• 35:18
  red tie the. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:20
  I mean, to be fair, he looked like the most creative person in
• 35:23
  the Sister Wives universe at this point.
• 35:25
  Yep, Now while they're at the studio, you know they're all,
• 35:29
  they're all dolled up, they're
• 35:32
  makeup and their clothes. In their hair.
• 35:35
  And they've got the white backdrop and the flashing
• 35:38
  lights, and it's like we're watching an episode of America's
• 35:41
  Next Top Model. Of course.
• 35:44
  I was just waiting for Mr. J to come out and be like, now this
• 35:47
  shot, we're going to do this, and then this shot, we're going
• 35:49
  to do that. And then I really was hoping for
• 35:52
  Tyra to eliminate Robyn, right?
• 35:53
  Just like, get the fuck out. But unfortunately, no one's
• 35:56
  getting eliminated this episode. While they're on set.
• 35:59
  Kody has some feelings about the wives and him being the only man
• 36:06
  Kimber, what does Kody think about this photo shoot?
• 36:09
  Oh my gosh, he just thinks that he's going to look like a pool
• 36:21
  winner of this scene because you
• 36:23
  She says that women with websites and companies have
• 36:29
  pictures with their husbands on their website because they do
• 36:33
  it together and they get the support from their husband and
• 36:36
  they're in all the photos. It's like, what are you talking
• 36:39
  about to? Demonstrate that they're strong.
• 36:42
  What? I know I'm thinking like how how
• 36:46
  could one person single handedly
• 36:51
  But then it is Christine Brown.
• 36:53
  Yeah, she's. Trying to get involved in this
• 37:04
  And literally Kody's saying it's my sister wife's closet jewelry.
• 37:11
  I feel like it should just be the women and she's.
• 37:13
  Like Faker? And I don't believe him for one
• 37:15
  second. He he would prefer it was just
• 37:17
  photos of them. I'm gonna.
• 37:18
  Throw punches, hold me back like
• 37:21
  Like that one friend that can't fight and says that hold me
• 37:24
  back hold. Me back, you can just Photoshop
• 37:26
  me out of these, right? He's like right in the middle of
• 37:28
  every one of them. If he could be the only one on
• 37:30
  the website, he'd be happy about
• 37:32
  He's just putting on a show, just like Robyn saying, oh, I
• 37:35
  just don't want my past marriage
• 37:40
  But he's like, I don't want to
• 37:42
  about women. Like they're two liars.
• 37:45
  They belong together. And then Robyn makes it all
• 37:48
  better by saying you're just like that one guy that can pull
• 37:51
  off pink shirt shirt. God, it was so when you thought
• 37:57
  this scene couldn't get any Dumber, Robyn's like, yeah,
• 38:00
  Kody, I mean, you're a big, strong man here with us women.
• 38:04
  And it's like when a man wears a
• 38:09
  Like wait, how many poles is he wearing and are all the collars
• 38:12
  popped? OK.
• 38:15
  God, it's so cringe and it's so great because Christine's
• 38:20
  frustration levels keep rising
• 38:23
  the photos done? Because I'm getting hot, I'm
• 38:25
  going to get sweaty. Like, let's do it.
• 38:27
  She just wants it done. And I don't blame her.
• 38:29
  It's hot under those lights. I know.
• 38:31
  You would know. It's a lot of pressure to look
• 38:34
  perfect for the camera. How many photo shoots have you
• 38:38
  done in your life? Too many to count.
• 38:40
  Too many hold me back, hold me
• 38:42
  Oh my gosh. The photographer tells them we
• 38:45
  want a variety of photos and positioning to, you know, not
• 38:49
  demonstrate any favoritism because clearly they've got to
• 38:52
  do their round Robyn. No, God, let's not say that.
• 38:55
  They've got to do their readjustments.
• 38:56
  So not Meri and Janelle are always standing next to Kody.
• 39:00
  Sometimes Robyn and Christine need to be standing next to
• 39:02
  Kody. They need some photos without
• 39:04
  Kody. They need some photos that are
• 39:06
  only Kody and that red spot on
• 39:09
  season and a half. Like he really needs to be in
• 39:12
  the photos. He really needs to not be in the
• 39:14
  photos. Yeah, he's like every time that
• 39:16
  I was ready to move on and do different photos, the wives kept
• 39:19
  saying that we just needed to rotate the order.
• 39:22
  And he's like, I found out real quick, like the family dynamic,
• 39:25
  we can't play favorites. And they literally are just
• 39:29
  like, OK, now you go, now you go, Oh my gosh, ladies, if
• 39:33
  you're that insecure about your position in the family, phony
• 39:38
  as fuck that they all care about.
• 39:39
  I kind of felt like it was just like a moot point.
• 39:42
  Like if you're a photographer and you're taking a photo of
• 39:45
  four women and one man, you would be like, OK, let's flip
• 39:47
  this around, let's swap it around.
• 39:48
  You move here, you move that. Like it would just be part of
• 39:50
  the process. So it's a little like they took
• 39:52
  a little thing and made it into a big thing, which is annoying.
• 39:55
  Yeah, because they pretend that
• 39:56
  he's like shocked about it and
• 40:00
  This is something that I've had to, that I had to learn that I
• 40:02
  had to do all this and. I'm such a creative man, I've
• 40:05
  never asked someone to move while taking their picture
• 40:07
  before. And then they kick Kody out and
• 40:10
  they're doing all of the women
• 40:13
  happy and he has them stand like
• 40:17
  Yeah. He's like, give it a foot or two
• 40:18
  between each of you. Like, OK.
• 40:20
  All right. Hopefully there were ones where
• 40:22
  they were all together. There were there were ones where
• 40:24
  they were like hands around each
• 40:28
  And it demonstrated what Robyn's
• 40:31
  photos show how all the wives are so different.
• 40:36
  They look so different and they,
• 40:39
  different. They're wearing different
• 40:40
  colors. Yeah.
• 40:42
  They're different complexions. That's what makes this all so
• 40:46
  special, is like our differences and like these photos are just
• 40:51
  connect to my sister wife's closet for some reason.
• 40:53
  We're all of our products are going to be so great because
• 40:56
  everyone's so different. We're different.
• 40:58
  Like, yeah, no, you're putting a bunch of hearts together and
• 41:01
  yeah, linking them and making them all a.
• 41:03
  Bunch of hot air. Bizarre.
• 41:05
  Total garbage. Did you notice that?
• 41:07
  So they do, you know, pick flashes to Kody during the
• 41:12
  women's photo shoot and he's still over there, like posing on
• 41:19
  doing it. They're like showing him and
• 41:21
  he's like doing like poses on the side still and like smiling
• 41:25
  like he's on the camera with them.
• 41:27
  And it's like. You can't stop a you can't stop
• 41:31
  a shot. You can't.
• 41:33
  You can't stop a star from shining, honey.
• 41:36
  You can't stop a charlatan in his tracks.
• 41:40
  You can't stop a star from shining like Koda Brown.
• 41:45
  Nope, Nope, Nope. It was a lot to take in and
• 41:49
  let's move on. We're only slightly traumatized.
• 41:53
  streets of Las Vegas where the
• 41:57
  drug dealers and hookers and the
• 42:01
  And the flashing lights. The flashing lights and Maddie's
• 42:05
  walking these streets like a street Walker, like a hooker
• 42:07
  with her two girlfriends, some
• 42:10
  about. Did you catch their names?
• 42:12
  No, but they are all wearing matching black shirts and they
• 42:16
  are strutting their stuff down
• 42:18
  Oh. Strutting down the strip.
• 42:20
  They all literally were wearing like matching black T-shirts.
• 42:23
  They thought this was the cutest
• 42:26
  I probably would have thought the same if I was that age doing
• 42:28
  that. While Maddie is strutting the
• 42:30
  streets with her whore friends.
• 42:32
  We find out they're going to go zip lining these little.
• 42:36
  Whores. They are going to go zip lining,
• 42:41
  The producers are giving us some extra special insights into
• 42:44
  their delicate lives. Janelle tells us that she felt
• 42:54
  just a little bit. Maddie doesn't know if she wants
• 43:03
  We're still talking about this. I don't want to talk about this.
• 43:07
  They're just trying very hard to
• 43:13
  she's clenched up, like in her
• 43:17
  She's not really giving them anything.
• 43:20
  And you can tell that they're trying to get her to, like,
• 43:23
  emote and make a thing on this
• 43:28
  them. And she's probably burnt out,
• 43:31
  you know, talking about it at this point.
• 43:33
  They talk about drinking and partying and oh, she doesn't
• 43:39
  drink. She's not going to screw up her
• 43:41
  life. She's not a drinker.
• 43:43
  They start talking about how she's not brainwashed by
• 43:46
  religion and. Yeah, she doesn't want to get
• 43:51
  sloppy. She doesn't want to be sloppy.
• 43:53
  She does hang out with some people that drink, but that's
• 43:56
  not her lifestyle. It's like they're trying to get
• 44:01
  something out of her. And I kind of just feel bad for
• 44:04
  her. Like she's a teenage girl and
• 44:09
  she's sitting there with both of
• 44:13
  really awkward. Like you said, her and her
• 44:16
  horror friends go ziplining, which is like whatever, who
• 44:19
  cares? Maddie's friends ask her if she
• 44:22
  could be a polygamist when she
• 44:27
  polygamist? And and what they fail to ask
• 44:30
  is, oh, if you were back home,
• 44:33
  with children and your polygamist cult?
• 44:35
  Instead they're like, oh, do you
• 44:37
  polygamist when you're an adult?
• 44:38
  And she says no, she doesn't want to share her man and I
• 44:42
  don't blame her. I don't want to share my man.
• 44:44
  I don't have a man. I don't even want a man and if I
• 44:51
  Maddie says that Leon is boring and so are their friends.
• 44:55
  She says Leon hangs out with a bunch of Mormons and I don't,
• 44:59
  which I love because Leon does look boring.
• 45:03
  Leon seems very boring. Yeah, she thinks that Leon will
• 45:06
  have that lifestyle, like, for sure, right?
• 45:08
  Leon will be a polygamist without a doubt.
• 45:12
  They go back to the couch and Maddie is telling Kody and
• 45:17
  Janelle that she is not going to choose that lifestyle and that
• 45:23
  Like she's equating this lifestyle to the entire religion
• 45:36
  polygamy. But Maddie's equating polygamy
• 45:42
  So it's a little confusing. And I do know that this is part
• 45:46
  of their religion. They believe that being
• 45:49
  polygamists gets them, you know, whatever they're going to get
• 45:54
  more from God than the rest of us fools.
• 45:58
  But it's interesting that Maddie's like including their
• 46:03
  religion as a whole and saying she's not going to be a part of
• 46:07
  that. Well, I suspect it's because
• 46:09
  they're part of a cult. And so she's probably just like,
• 46:15
  of it. Yeah, even if you're a part of a
• 46:21
  So. You think she realized that at
• 46:27
  Utah. It's only been a year and a
• 46:29
  half. Do you think that after only a
• 46:38
  Then at 16, I thought my parents, church and whatever was
• 46:44
  So I don't know, we don't get an opportunity to hear Maddie's
• 46:48
  real feelings because once again, she is like you were
• 46:51
  saying, she was being kind of like coerced into having
• 46:55
  reaction. And so they were trying to get
• 46:58
  Maddie's actual thoughts are here.
• 47:00
  Obviously Maddie's just not in love with the idea of being part
• 47:05
  Well, and they keep saying this entire time, all of the parents
• 47:09
  keep saying that the children have a right to choose if they
• 47:11
  want to be a part of the show or
• 47:13
  And that's why some children are
• 47:16
  is because they're choosing to or not to participate.
• 47:20
  But this whole scene and even the couch interview felt very
• 47:24
  forced for her. Do they say that the kids don't
• 47:27
  have to participate? Yeah, in the show.
• 47:29
  Christine talks about it in her book, especially how each child
• 47:34
  was able to make the decision on
• 47:37
  And that's why I like some of them are featured more than
• 47:39
  others and some of them are sometimes and some of them are
• 47:41
  not when they come in and out based on their feelings towards
• 47:45
  being on the show. But this felt so forced almost
• 47:49
  Like sure, maybe the little kids
• 47:52
  older kids? I don't know if the older kids
• 47:55
  had the same choice to participate or not.
• 47:59
  I feel like that sounds like a
• 48:01
  I don't know. I would assume that they didn't
• 48:03
  feel like they had a choice. And even Kody at the end of
• 48:06
  this, like, Couch interview says
• 48:11
  will keep the kids from the dark
• 48:14
  And, like, that's how they end
• 48:16
  And it's just kind of like, all right, the dark side.
• 48:19
  Sure. And.
• 48:22
  Now we are going to be introduced to a new Sister Wives
• 48:25
  character, however briefly. Robyn's cousin or sister?
• 48:29
  No, her younger. Sister, her baby.
• 48:31
  Sister Tara Lease. Tara Lease, her baby sister, is
• 48:35
  going to be watching Saul. If they get the houses, Tara
• 48:40
  lease is going to move in with
• 48:42
  Oh isn't that speed? Yep.
• 48:44
  OK. And that's the end of that
• 48:45
  scene. We're going to move on.
• 48:48
  That's literally it. Well, I'm so glad we got
• 48:51
  introduced to Tara Lease and I
• 48:54
  There's just something that sounds so not inbred about it.
• 48:58
  Tara lease. Tara lease.
• 49:00
  That's literally it. Tara Lease is Tara.
• 49:03
  Elise is watching the children, or at least one child, so that
• 49:06
  Robyn and Kody can go see a debt
• 49:09
  Now, honey, how far away are we from the deadline for their
• 49:13
  financing when they're going to see the debt specialist?
• 49:16
  One week. One week.
• 49:19
  One week. Seven days.
• 49:22
  And the debt specialist, his name is Harry Jacobs.
• 49:25
  And the reason I know it's Harry
• 49:29
  Harry Jacobs, you're our only hope.
• 49:32
  His second Star Wars reference
• 49:36
  show. What was the other one?
• 49:38
  The dark side, that religion will keep them from the dark
• 49:41
  side. And I got to say, I don't claim
• 49:45
  him. I was going to say you were
• 49:46
  touched in special. Places no, as a as an avid Star
• 49:51
  Wars fan, we do not claim him.
• 49:57
  Wars fandom. Oh I feel like Kody is your own
• 50:01
  personal Obi Wan Kenobi blood is
• 50:06
  Try to forget that you ever said
• 50:10
  Obi Wan cat Nobi and he is far wiser than one Kody Brown
• 50:15
  could ever be. Don't worry, I'll distract you
• 50:17
  with some Robyn stories. So Robyn was a single working
• 50:21
  mother. She was a single mom.
• 50:23
  I didn't know that. She was a she was a single
• 50:27
  mother for years after she left her ex-husband.
• 50:30
  He was so bad to her she had to leave.
• 50:33
  And when she left she lived with
• 50:37
  she could never take care of her
• 50:40
  She couldn't she couldn't do anything.
• 50:42
  She couldn't get out of bed, she
• 50:46
  couldn't walk down the street.
• 50:51
  she could not, and she would not, and so she shan't.
• 50:56
  Harry says that a few of these
• 51:00
  might be able to be deleted from
• 51:06
  And Robyn goes, it's a big deal that they may delete some debt
• 51:11
  affecting my score, but. Oh, Harry Jacobs.
• 51:15
  Here is the thing, Robyn, you're
• 51:19
  to delete your debt altogether.
• 51:21
  That is not what Harry Jacobs said.
• 51:23
  He said from your credit score, not just eliminating your debt.
• 51:29
  And she's acting like a dumb
• 51:32
  ass, like she thinks, Oh my God,
• 51:35
  that I owe them money. Like no, they're going to delete
• 51:39
  it from your credit score. If you probably pay a reduced
• 51:42
  whatever like, they'll negotiate
• 51:45
  remove it. Yeah.
• 51:47
  Hopefully she got that figured
• 51:49
  Who knows? Because it's Robyn.
• 51:51
  Here's where we find out something truly interesting.
• 51:55
  Since all of this debt collection has started, she has
• 52:01
  had three different last names
• 52:07
  according to Harry. And she just has to let us know
• 52:11
  that it wasn't on purpose. It was to sever ties with my ex.
• 52:17
  I wasn't trying to hide from the
• 52:22
  Three different last names on her credit score?
• 52:24
  Yep, she's divorced. Interestingly enough, we hear
• 52:32
  her refer to her last name as Sullivan.
• 52:34
  When she went to the lawyer when
• 52:36
  desk, they said, oh, and your name?
• 52:38
  And she said Sullivan, that's her ex or that I don't know what
• 52:44
  Her maiden. So I'm guessing it was her ex
• 52:48
  maiden, then Brown. But is her last name Brown?
• 52:51
  She's not legally married to him.
• 52:53
  But she could legally change her last name if she wanted to.
• 52:57
  Yeah, so even though this sounds like, what kind of moron doesn't
• 53:03
  No, she did this on purpose. It's also like she could have
• 53:07
  three different last names and would it be the weirdest thing
• 53:14
  Agreed. It's like.
• 53:15
  Her story is this whole fucking episode.
• 53:17
  And Robyn talks about how she feels ashamed for having debt
• 53:21
  and collections. She feels so ashamed, but not
• 53:24
  ashamed enough to do anything about it.
• 53:26
  Just. Shamed.
• 53:28
  Oh, every dime is to take care of the kids.
• 53:32
  I was a single working mother and every dime was to take care
• 53:34
  of the kids. And I had to think about putting
• 53:38
  would call me and I would say to them, I have kids.
• 53:41
  I'm a single working mother. I can't.
• 53:43
  Afford. Anything money for you, not even
• 53:47
  Afford anything but to put food on the table and have heat and
• 53:53
  heat, Christopher. She had to light fires.
• 53:55
  She had to light fires, keep her kids warm, and they even show us
• 54:01
  heater. Dayton sitting in front of a
• 54:05
  space heater. They show a picture of it to try
• 54:10
  But I wrote right here, she is
• 54:14
  crying. Yes, yes, lying and not even
• 54:17
  crying. She is a crier.
• 54:18
  We know she's a crier this entire time where she's telling
• 54:22
  this sob story about being a single working mother and she
• 54:26
  couldn't even pay a dime toward towards the creditors that were
• 54:29
  calling her constantly. And I didn't change my last name
• 54:32
  to avoid the creditors. I was answering the phone and I
• 54:35
  was telling him I was a single
• 54:37
  Bitch, we all know you'd be balling up a storm if that were
• 54:40
  true. We all know you'd be crying so
• 54:44
  hard right now if that was true.
• 54:46
  Interesting when the tears form and when they don't, Yeah.
• 54:49
  It's very, very convenient for her, isn't it?
• 54:52
  Yes. Yeah, My favorite detail,
• 54:54
  though, about her trailer life was when she talks about making
• 54:58
  the fires to keep her family warm.
• 55:00
  I believe she says that she made fires in the oven, which I don't
• 55:09
  certainly not Kody's Bible and swear to that.
• 55:11
  But I think she would have said made fires in the oven.
• 55:15
  Like girl, she's a mess. She's.
• 55:17
  Such a mess and. Even if she didn't say that, I'm
• 55:30
  can't keep the heat on throughout the winter will heat
• 55:34
  their house with the stove. Yeah, which is very dangerous.
• 55:41
  And so I have empathy for any mother that has to do that to
• 55:47
  keep their children warm. I cannot even imagine being in
• 55:56
  because she cries over everything and she is not doing
• 55:59
  it right now. And then they try to show us
• 56:01
  that SOB picture of Dayton in front of a space heater.
• 56:04
  And it's like you just told us you lit fires and you're showing
• 56:10
  Totally different things. Robyn.
• 56:12
  A fucking liar. God, yeah.
• 56:15
  Back in the day, I mean, I'm not gonna say that there's photos of
• 56:21
  photos of me and my parents entryway next to like a a mobile
• 56:29
  Like, it just looked like an aged photo, like an old photo of
• 56:38
  Yeah, like. He's smiling.
• 56:39
  It's like a happy photo of him. It's not like he's sitting there
• 56:44
  Like, come on, I don't know, my kids have space heaters in their
• 56:52
  house is colder than the other side.
• 56:54
  So they get space heaters. And you know what I mean?
• 56:56
  It's like it's they're trying to
• 57:02
  right now but she's not even sobbing, no.
• 57:04
  She's not even sobbing. Not sobbing, Robyn.
• 57:06
  Fishy, fishier than a dolphin.
• 57:12
  to claim that the reason that her stories are so fishy is
• 57:15
  because she was kidnapped by dolphins, which is not true.
• 57:18
  Which is not true. Which is just simply not true.
• 57:20
  We know that you didn't even swim with them.
• 57:22
  That was Meri. I wonder that was Meri.
• 57:28
  I wonder if she has dolphin accoutrement within her home,
• 57:31
  like if she has dolphin decor to
• 57:34
  I bet you that the Dolphins would denounce her just like I'm
• 57:37
  denouncing Kody from the Star Wars fandom.
• 57:39
  The Dolphins would be like, we
• 57:42
  Yeah, what would they say? We don't want you stopping,
• 57:46
  Robyn, No. Now that they put their snoot
• 57:52
  and Meri special place, they don't want Robyn.
• 57:58
  Luckily we get to move on to Meri's house now.
• 58:01
  I'm not so sure that this is luckily, but we're moving on
• 58:05
  luckily. Luckily, luckily, luckily,
• 58:09
  luckily, luckily, luckily, luckily.
• 58:10
  Kody tells us that he is so proud of Leon because Leon is
• 58:15
  being entered into the National Honor Society, which is great.
• 58:20
  Apparently it's for smart people.
• 58:21
  I won't know anything about that, but they're going to go to
• 58:24
  a ceremony for Leon being inducted as a member to the
• 58:28
  National Honor Society. Now, you know.
• 58:31
  Cool. I guess it's about academic
• 58:34
  achievement or as a testing, who
• 58:38
  You just have to make over certain grades, like in the
• 58:41
  semester to be on the honor roll.
• 58:44
  I was on it. What does that tell you is?
• 58:46
  The honor roll the same thing as
• 58:49
  darling, I think these might be different.
• 58:51
  Things You're trying to diminish
• 58:52
  Yes, I think that you're not part of the National Honor
• 58:55
  Society. I think you just got a little
• 58:57
  from your school, but I think these might be different things.
• 59:01
  I don't. Know well either way, Kody
• 59:03
  believes that Leon could be a doctor now because Leon made the
• 59:07
  National Honor Society, so that means that Leon could be a
• 59:10
  doctor. Thank God.
• 59:11
  And Leon is looking for post secondary schools with good
• 59:14
  medical programs of course. Well, lovely.
• 59:18
  Apparently, Utah's one of them.
• 59:19
  Yeah, of course. So luckily for Leon.
• 59:21
  I can go back to being a plague in Utah.
• 59:25
  Of course, Leon always wanted to be a doctor, yadda yadda yadda.
• 59:29
  Leon wants to return to Utah
• 59:30
  because that's where their people are.
• 59:33
  They're people. I can't wait for Leon to find
• 59:36
  out who their people really are because it's probably not a
• 59:39
  bunch of polygamists in Utah. No, and Leon is adamant.
• 59:43
  And Leon says flat out, I am going to have sister wives.
• 59:51
  Yeah, Leon has a lot of adamacy these days.
• 59:54
  A lot of gall. A lot of things going on with
• 59:57
  Leon. Leon hopes that Meri takes Robyn
• 1:00:01
  up on her surrogacy offer. So now we get to talk about the
• 1:00:04
  surrogacy. Thank God we've been waiting to
• 1:00:07
  hear about it again. Well, and we also had to get
• 1:00:09
  Leon's opinion on it finally, you know, because why not?
• 1:00:12
  We got to bring it up again for the second time in this
• 1:00:15
  episode. Now, do you want to test your
• 1:00:17
  acting chops here, honey, and give us Leon talking about how
• 1:00:23
  Are you ready for this? Ready.
• 1:00:25
  You can choose to be an empty nester.
• 1:00:28
  I hope she picks Robyn up on her offer.
• 1:00:33
  I've prayed every single night for another baby.
• 1:00:38
  Now you have this choice, and if you choose not to, you're taking
• 1:00:50
  Oh, that was great, honey. I think Leon would give you a
• 1:00:55
  round of applause. Leon was angry.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah, Leon was pissed. So angry, yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Saying this. The anger on their face, I had
• 1:01:12
  write notes and I was like, look at their face right now while
• 1:01:19
  saying this. It's like straight up anger.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah, not even sadness. It's like resentment and anger.
• 1:01:27
  That guilt inducing for sure.
• 1:01:29
  Like the goal was to make Meri
• 1:01:32
  Oh yeah, definitely. And Meri says I haven't made a
• 1:01:36
  decision yet, I need a little more time to figure it out.
• 1:01:41
  And then Leon, just like, unplugs their mic pack and walks
• 1:01:44
  out because Leon is so distraught over not having a
• 1:01:46
  sibling. And it's such bullshit because
• 1:01:49
  Meri's saying that she hasn't made, I haven't made a decision
• 1:01:52
  yet is just pandering. It's pandering.
• 1:01:58
  I feel like Meri is trying so hard in this moment to pull the
• 1:02:03
  wool over Leon's eyes. And it's also not fair to Leon.
• 1:02:07
  And this is part of the reason
• 1:02:11
  this is a possibility and is so angry about it because the
• 1:02:15
  parents lie all of the time to
• 1:02:20
  And this is probably one of those things that has been lied
• 1:02:23
  about time and time again. I think that Leon is angry with
• 1:02:28
  God about not having a sibling
• 1:02:34
  And I thought when Leon was looking at Meri with such
• 1:02:40
  disdain, you little selfish bitch.
• 1:02:48
  Do you even realize how horrible
• 1:02:56
  Do you realize what it's like to
• 1:02:59
  Do you realize what it's like to
• 1:03:02
  Do you realize what it is like
• 1:03:06
  not be able to have as many children as they're supposedly
• 1:03:10
  supposed to have to make it to
• 1:03:13
  like you're going to go to hell because you can't have
• 1:03:17
  children? Fuck you.
• 1:03:18
  And if I was their mother in that moment in time and they
• 1:03:23
  were looking at me and talking to me like that, I probably
• 1:03:27
  wouldn't have been trying to pander to them.
• 1:03:31
  I probably would have been like, sit the fuck down and talk to me
• 1:03:41
  That was ridiculous. And Meri just took it and then
• 1:03:48
  like, this is more stress than I need.
• 1:03:50
  It's like, yeah, Oh my God. That would be heartbreaking for
• 1:03:55
  a mother to like, realize that your child potentially hates you
• 1:04:01
  something you wanted for yourself.
• 1:04:03
  Kody says that he agrees with Leon, blah blah, blah, blah
• 1:04:07
  blah, and there's an element of that with Leon's behavior.
• 1:04:11
  I think like that Leon sees the way that people talk to Meri,
• 1:04:16
  particularly Kody, and feels the right to do so as well.
• 1:04:19
  Leon's also like, OK, an only child in Meri's home in this
• 1:04:24
  larger family. And there's an element to me of
• 1:04:28
  God. It's so tough because with their
• 1:04:32
  you know, we're better than everybody else thing.
• 1:04:34
  And I feel like that gets beat into their heads, especially
• 1:04:38
  with someone like Leon, like I'm going to live this life.
• 1:04:41
  I'm going to follow this thing. I'm going to follow the calling.
• 1:04:45
  And then my mom has this opportunity to have someone else
• 1:04:49
  have a child for her. And she's not taking it.
• 1:04:51
  Like it's like selfish of her not to even have more children.
• 1:04:53
  And it's like, my God, like you're such a fucking know it
• 1:04:56
  all and you're spoiled as shit.
• 1:04:58
  Frankly, spoiled as shit. The know it all behavior, the
• 1:05:02
  entitlement. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:04
  The nose in the air about it. Kody's a bitch in this scene and
• 1:05:14
  on our little mare bear about her womb yet again.
• 1:05:18
  Our bear, Mare bear. Mirror Bear I just.
• 1:05:21
  I so badly wish I could have like swooped into Meri's body
• 1:05:26
  like the Holy Ghost and been like, Leon shut the fuck up, do
• 1:05:32
  not talk to me this way or you're going to go to hell.
• 1:05:38
  Like, God, I was so angry for Meri listening to that, and then
• 1:05:52
  bad for Meri. It was bad.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah, and not even our first forced child interview awkward
• 1:06:01
  Like, I was like, we're going to set you on this couch and we're
• 1:06:03
  going to make you talk about this shit and it's going to be
• 1:06:08
  national television. And then in the future, 2
• 1:06:09
  deadbeat losers are going to talk about it on a podcast.
• 1:06:11
  But Leon was hot to trot. Leon was hot to tear her mother
• 1:06:15
  apart. Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  About absolutely eager to do so. Can we move on from this
• 1:06:20
  scarring experience? I don't know, I suppose my
• 1:06:22
  cheeks are all hot. I do love it.
• 1:06:24
  But not in a good way. Being the Holy Spirit and
• 1:06:27
  entering Meri's body. I mean, I wish I could have at
• 1:06:32
  entered through? I'm going to say her left
• 1:06:35
  nostril. Oh, the nostril.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah, that maybe you're going to go for an ear, but nostril?
• 1:06:39
  Nostrils are a little large, I feel like I would have entered
• 1:06:49
  Your nostril. I'm driving my school bus in
• 1:06:52
  there, Holy Spirit. And I'm going to tell you while
• 1:06:55
  we're in here, what's wrong with your ovaries because I'm
• 1:06:57
  going to check it out in my magic school bus and I'm going
• 1:07:00
  to teach the children what really happens with sexuality.
• 1:07:10
  Tavern is empty. Hello, hello, hello, hello.
• 1:07:16
  See, this hymen is intact. It's been re intact.
• 1:07:19
  It's been rebirthed. Rebirth regrown.
• 1:07:22
  It's been regenerated. Yes, Hymen is re intact so
• 1:07:27
  nothing's happening here kids. Got to go, God.
• 1:07:31
  We're sick. Well, you know, but Meri's like,
• 1:07:36
  happening with my husband. He's trying to impregnate me.
• 1:07:40
  Pragante esto pragante. God, after this unfortunate
• 1:07:44
  incident with Leon on the couch, we're going to cut to all the
• 1:07:49
  adults meeting with Mona at her office.
• 1:07:51
  Oh so lovely. Mona Mona's office.
• 1:07:54
  We had some interesting tidbits from Christine in this episode.
• 1:07:58
  There's couch moments, there's
• 1:08:00
  on spot interview moments, there's things happening.
• 1:08:04
  And Christine says in one of these cutaways that she feels
• 1:08:07
  like a single mom ever since they moved to Vegas.
• 1:08:10
  She's just on her own with everything and this is not what
• 1:08:13
  she signed up for. She did not sign up to be a
• 1:08:15
  single mother with a baby on her
• 1:08:18
  smoking a cigarette. No, she definitely did not.
• 1:08:22
  Truly, with that little head and
• 1:08:25
  weird body. The cutest?
• 1:08:28
  I mean, very cute, but it does.
• 1:08:30
  I'm just kidding. The visual of Christine holding
• 1:08:32
  her and smoking in the yard like oh God, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:08:37
  I stand very fronted in my own
• 1:08:41
  Oh God. Christine's a red.
• 1:08:44
  Woman, we Can't Sing too much or
• 1:08:47
  Shit. Now Janelle says that she needs
• 1:08:50
  to stay practical. What a shock.
• 1:08:53
  Practical. Just worried that our dreams
• 1:08:54
  might be crushed. Now, Mona says, we never
• 1:08:59
  discussed what would happen if
• 1:09:03
  these loans. Now, remember I told you not to
• 1:09:07
  make any late payments while we were gathering these things
• 1:09:10
  together. And Christine's like, oh, I
• 1:09:12
  think I've missed a payment. Think I've missed a water
• 1:09:14
  payment. It's like, Oh my God, these
• 1:09:16
  people, they are literally trying to qualify for home
• 1:09:20
  loans. And Christine's like, oh, I've
• 1:09:22
  never had to be responsible for paying my own bills, and I
• 1:09:24
  think I missed a water payment.
• 1:09:26
  He forgot about my water bill. Oh God, but I'm going to feel so
• 1:09:32
  Kody is really mad about this? Kody is mad that she even
• 1:09:38
  brought it up. Really, Christine?
• 1:09:40
  Because that'd be the reason it's about Janelle and Robyn and
• 1:09:48
  Well, it is funny because we know that they're in this 30 day
• 1:09:55
  So can we blame Christine? I'm going to go with yes.
• 1:09:58
  Should we? Probably not, but you know, like
• 1:10:07
  all this stuff in like 30 days.
• 1:10:08
  But in her mind, she's scared.
• 1:10:11
  before. We just heard about that earlier
• 1:10:13
  in the episode. And how the world works.
• 1:10:15
  It's her first. Time paying the bills on her
• 1:10:16
  own. Janelle's not doing it anymore
• 1:10:18
  for her good. Lord.
• 1:10:20
  So she did this horrible thing, Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  And then Kody, everyone. 'S going to be fucked because of
• 1:10:24
  Christine. Well, Kody gets mad at her for
• 1:10:27
  even bringing it up like she's
• 1:10:30
  her that would cause the problem.
• 1:10:33
  And I thought it was that he was
• 1:10:36
  idiot, like you missed a water
• 1:10:37
  It's not going to derail you from buying a home.
• 1:10:39
  But no, I think he was looking
• 1:10:44
  thinking it could be you that would be the problem here.
• 1:10:47
  Either way, Christine is the problem.
• 1:10:49
  Then Mona is like, I'm going to pull out a piece of paper, I'm
• 1:10:52
  going to pull out the paperwork.
• 1:10:53
  She's got her papers in front of her and she's going to drag this
• 1:10:59
  Got to give Mona her flowers. I appreciate.
• 1:11:02
  It like who's getting the roses here bachelor style?
• 1:11:05
  Who's getting approval? Who's?
• 1:11:08
  Gonna get pre approval, not even approval pre approval.
• 1:11:12
  Like drawing it out like Survivor style.
• 1:11:15
  Who's getting voted off the island?
• 1:11:17
  Like we've got, well, we probably do have an entire
• 1:11:20
  season of this. Look where we ended at Season 3
• 1:11:23
  and then at 4:00. So the end of at the end of
• 1:11:26
  Season 5, we're sitting at bonus table doing paperwork.
• 1:11:29
  Talking about surrogacy, No, not at bonus table, but at every
• 1:11:33
  other fucking table. They're moving at a snail's pace
• 1:11:39
  Oh. Chris, I would like to point
• 1:11:40
  out, they're not moving at a snail's pace.
• 1:11:42
  They're moving at a slug's pace because they don't have a shell,
• 1:11:48
  more like it. Just saying.
• 1:11:50
  Thank you for clarifying. For the record, the first
• 1:11:53
  documents handed are handed to Janelle and Janelle.
• 1:11:57
  It's approved. And Janelle is surprised.
• 1:12:01
  She is like wow, wow, wow. Well, first it's Meri and Kody
• 1:12:09
  That's right, Meri and Kody were first.
• 1:12:10
  Well, we forget about it because it was just like a gift here.
• 1:12:13
  You go. And that's why I don't
• 1:12:15
  understand why Kody was like throwing it in Christine's face,
• 1:12:21
  Annoyed that she didn't get the comp, she didn't comprehend that
• 1:12:27
  Don't believe that.
• 1:12:27
  I think he thought she was being
• 1:12:30
  up. Listen, the proof is in the
• 1:12:32
  pudding. Either way, Meri and Kody get
• 1:12:34
  approved, Janelle gets approved, and Janelle is just like
• 1:12:39
  Hallelujah. Wow, wow.
• 1:12:41
  Who gets the next draw? Christine is next on the list of
• 1:12:52
  says you are approved. And Christine tells us about her
• 1:12:59
  I feel like she is like a little.
• 1:13:02
  She was. Drugged up right now, she's all.
• 1:13:06
  She she probably is drugged up.
• 1:13:07
  She's maybe this was that one week she was addicted to pills.
• 1:13:11
  Maybe, yeah, maybe.
• 1:13:12
  Maybe she had one beer before this.
• 1:13:14
  Yeah, she might have had her one
• 1:13:16
  Her one cider Christine feels like she's been failing a lot
• 1:13:20
  right now. Yes, she's overweight, she can't
• 1:13:23
  lose weight. She's failed at that.
• 1:13:25
  She's been overweight her whole.
• 1:13:27
  Life. She's been overweight her whole
• 1:13:28
  life and so being approved for this was huge.
• 1:13:31
  It was huge, she says. Oh God.
• 1:13:35
  Cut to Kody's healing cold sore. That's like.
• 1:13:40
  That's the next thing I noticed. Also, OK, Kody's cold sore, but
• 1:13:45
  then we've got Christina's Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer
• 1:13:52
  Is her nose so fucking? Red, she's just so worked up, I
• 1:13:56
  think that her nose is so that happens to me too.
• 1:13:59
  Sometimes and it's about being fat her whole life and then
• 1:14:02
  missing a water bell. Like all of this adds up to like
• 1:14:09
  I'm a pale pasty girl this time of year, living in the northern
• 1:14:17
  hemisphere. OK.
• 1:14:18
  No, sunshine, I feel her on the bright red burning face in
• 1:14:23
  moments where you wish it didn't happen, Maybe not quite so much.
• 1:14:28
  I fucking hope not that bright
• 1:14:30
  But oh God, the thing that really, truly just got me going
• 1:14:37
  in this moment was the small, tiny violins that we're playing.
• 1:14:41
  Well, this is it. I was going to say you the
• 1:14:43
  dramatic music because now we're
• 1:14:49
  And there's like angels with their tiny little hands playing
• 1:14:52
  tiny little violins. The saddest?
• 1:14:55
  Meaning their tiny little voices.
• 1:15:00
  And then Robyn says I didn't want my past marriage to affect
• 1:15:06
  this family. I'm just.
• 1:15:09
  Waiting for the blow. Wait.
• 1:15:13
  Waiting for the blow and Mona says and Robyn, and then they
• 1:15:18
  get the shriek sound effect that
• 1:15:21
  commercial break. So many eye rolls from Robyn
• 1:15:25
  during all of this, by the way.
• 1:15:27
  Eye rolls from. Robyn yeah.
• 1:15:29
  So many like, like, exasperated eye rolls.
• 1:15:34
  So did so girl, so probably. So she's doing these like,
• 1:15:38
  exasperated like. Irritated.
• 1:15:40
  Like what would you do? Like these just automatic.
• 1:15:44
  Like humph, like I roll moments like drama, playing it up,
• 1:15:50
  waiting for the blow. Didn't all my past marriage do
• 1:16:02
  living. All of the old hurts came to the
• 1:16:09
  If I don't get approved, we're still getting these houses.
• 1:16:14
  I don't care what happens. I'll do whatever it takes.
• 1:16:19
  Chris is grabbing his tits right now.
• 1:16:22
  And that's when I was imagining it going She'll do whatever it
• 1:16:38
  She will sell smack to the children on the playground.
• 1:16:42
  But she won't get a job. But she will sell her body.
• 1:16:46
  She will sell her drugs. She will offer her children to
• 1:16:54
  make this happen. But she'll do whatever it takes.
• 1:16:58
  not work. Except for work.
• 1:16:59
  Yeah, and Mona says. And Robyn ellipsis, you are
• 1:17:06
  approved. Kody goes for real.
• 1:17:09
  This. For real.
• 1:17:11
  For real. Kody's in shock, Robyn says.
• 1:17:15
  I'm framing this piece of paper.
• 1:17:17
  I want to see that framed piece of paper right now in your
• 1:17:22
  current home you dumb bitch. You dumb bitch.
• 1:17:24
  She's like, oh I know it's in tote #732 in Kody's second
• 1:17:28
  garage. Like, Oh my God, she's a
• 1:17:31
  hoarder. She's a hoarder.
• 1:17:34
  So this is, she has so many pieces of paper framed all from
• 1:17:38
  like debt relief and people doing things for her.
• 1:17:41
  This is such a special moment for me.
• 1:17:43
  It's my first piece of chewing gum.
• 1:17:45
  It's when I avoided having to be a prostitute to pay for my.
• 1:17:50
  Home. Oh my gosh.
• 1:17:53
  Oh. My God.
• 1:17:55
  Oh, this woman. She's for sure that mom that has
• 1:18:02
  For real. For real.
• 1:18:05
  For real. Yes, for real, Kody.
• 1:18:09
  My God. And then they show salt chewing
• 1:18:11
  on a sharpie. I missed fall chewing on a
• 1:18:17
  sharpie. I'm like.
• 1:18:18
  Why do they show these? Things they're like these
• 1:18:21
  parents aren't neglectful. Here's.
• 1:18:22
  A. Here's an.
• 1:18:23
  Inventor baby chewing. They did a close up of him
• 1:18:26
  chewing on the end of a sharpie like a closed sharpie.
• 1:18:29
  Oh. God.
• 1:18:30
  But it's like, what, you doing them dirty?
• 1:18:33
  Like every parent knows that their kids aren't.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, chewing on dumb shit every now and then.
• 1:18:39
  But why are you zoning in on that right now during this
• 1:18:42
  scene? Like, my goodness.
• 1:18:44
  They just said to show Robyn is mom of the year.
• 1:18:49
  Playing with that dangling necklace, chewing on A sharp
• 1:18:53
  Chewing on a sharp B. Thank you, I can see I'm having
• 1:18:57
  a positive effect on you. We've got a lot of marbles in
• 1:19:00
  our mouth right this episode. Mona tells everyone that they
• 1:19:04
  can start construction in five weeks if they get all of their
• 1:19:13
  selections. She says something along the
• 1:19:16
  lines of she well, she summoned the Holy Spirit.
• 1:19:20
  She she mentioned you, Kimber. She.
• 1:19:23
  Sure did. And she said I'm going to have
• 1:19:39
  That's what they all have forgotten.
• 1:19:42
  Here, right, so they got it's like Abby Lee Miller always
• 1:19:45
  says, it's one thing to get to the top, it's another thing to
• 1:19:53
  teeth, ladies. So.
• 1:19:54
  It's one thing to get your credit score up to 600 and get a
• 1:20:00
  600 credit score and get an approval when the loan is
• 1:20:04
  closing. So Christine, stop missing your
• 1:20:07
  water bills. Yeah, and Robyn get to walk in
• 1:20:12
  Walk in you dumb whore. You dumb hussy, you hooker.
• 1:20:17
  Oh, sorry, hookers out there. I don't mean to disparage.
• 1:20:21
  I don't want to compare you to Robyn Brown.
• 1:20:22
  I believe they call themselves sex workers now, so Robyn's on a
• 1:20:29
  We. Can call Robyn a hooker?
• 1:20:31
  Yes. Kody asks.
• 1:20:32
  Can we be in by Christmas? And Mona says, believe me, if he
• 1:20:40
  that. Yeah, well, he wants his money.
• 1:20:43
  Yeah, honey.
• 1:20:44
  Yeah, he'll try to build it. If it means that the loan
• 1:20:47
  clears, he'll do his best. I don't think he'll be taking
• 1:20:51
  any blowies from old cold sore
• 1:20:58
  Blowies from old cold sore to pay for it, Yes.
• 1:21:04
  Oh, that's a good one. Blowies from old cold sore.
• 1:21:08
  You really topped yourself. Although it really was Kody in
• 1:21:11
  this episode that had the cold
• 1:21:14
  But it was a gift from Robyn. Yeah.
• 1:21:16
  And this coming from the Holy Spirit.
• 1:21:18
  I mean, it's all she could afford to give him, so he might
• 1:21:20
  as well take. It right she's like honey, you
• 1:21:22
  know I can't work, but I can give you a cold sore.
• 1:21:27
  Give me some herp. On your lerp.
• 1:21:29
  Oh, God, now we're going to cut to the whole family.
• 1:21:32
  We're going to have better Times
• 1:21:34
  Better times. Sorry, the family is going to go
• 1:21:38
  visit the cul-de-sac because once again, we've got another
• 1:21:42
  benchmark met. This is really important to the
• 1:21:44
  kids. Oh yeah, that they got pre
• 1:21:46
  approval. So now they're going to drag
• 1:21:48
  them all to the development to
• 1:21:52
  is actually cute as a child. I would love to go see a model
• 1:21:56
  home. Well.
• 1:22:00
  What are you talking about? To have the privilege of seeing
• 1:22:03
  OK. Meri, let's just say.
• 1:22:07
  I just mean, if my parents were doing this and we were put in
• 1:22:11
  the minivan and driven to a place and told leave the snow
• 1:22:15
  kites in the car and get outside
• 1:22:19
  is what we're going to build you.
• 1:22:21
  I'd be like, that's cool. I would like it.
• 1:22:24
  Kody says that he thought he that they should have sedated
• 1:22:27
  all the children before they got there so that they didn't break
• 1:22:31
  anything, and I can relate. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:33
  There are times that I wish I could sedate my children.
• 1:22:36
  But and there's like 437 of them, so it's like, oh thing.
• 1:22:41
  God, I can't even imagine. No.
• 1:22:43
  It's like a school trip, but it's just them going to look at
• 1:22:46
  their model home. They go to the old kids on the
• 1:22:50
  The oldest kids, yeah. Yep, they show them on the couch
• 1:22:57
  is real or not and if they believe that this is going to
• 1:22:59
  happen or not. And they're hamming in awe and
• 1:23:04
  Yeah, and how things often don't work out for them, but they
• 1:23:07
  think this one will. The vibe overall is, you know
• 1:23:11
  what, I can see this shit storm coming together into a ticky
• 1:23:15
  tacky build. A great home for us in a
• 1:23:18
  development in Las Vegas. You know, right?
• 1:23:20
  Dream big, dream high, dream wide.
• 1:23:23
  Those dung beetles are rolling the dung together for once and
• 1:23:31
  Cicadas. Cicadas, Thank you.
• 1:23:33
  There was they were showing an outside shot and it was like,
• 1:23:38
  like, Oh my God. Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Minnesota in July. Oh my gosh.
• 1:23:44
  Now all the family arrives, they all get out of all their
• 1:23:48
  vehicles, they're all holding the ropes so no one gets lost on
• 1:23:56
  They're, you know, looking in rooms.
• 1:23:59
  They show Little Truly little gangly tall Truly with her wispy
• 1:24:08
  Little truly scrumptious, looking like she's somehow
• 1:24:10
  elderly and a small child at the same time.
• 1:24:13
  Right, like. She should be in a nursing home.
• 1:24:16
  overtly feminine girly little clothes, probably because of the
• 1:24:21
  lack of hair, that it's like, OK, Yep, this is a little girl.
• 1:24:24
  She literally looks like she's
• 1:24:27
  like. Old.
• 1:24:28
  Women wear when they're like, got up and got my coffee.
• 1:24:30
  I'm going to do my crossword this morning.
• 1:24:33
  But I immediately just was like,
• 1:24:36
  hold her and also like. She's very hot, yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Get out of here with that. Every time that I see truly I'm
• 1:24:43
  just like, Oh my God, stop with the cuteness because I can't
• 1:24:46
  with that little bald fluffy head.
• 1:24:49
  Yeah. Truly scrumptious.
• 1:24:50
  Anyway. When the family goes outside,
• 1:24:53
  Kody tells all the moms to go where their homes will be on
• 1:24:56
  their properties. Go to your spots.
• 1:24:59
  Go to your spots. Go to your spots.
• 1:25:01
  And then the kids follow them.
• 1:25:04
  I have an extra child over here.
• 1:25:06
  Did you see who that was? Maybe one of Robyn's girls or.
• 1:25:14
  child with her and was making a joke about it.
• 1:25:16
  It doesn't even. Matter.
• 1:25:17
  I was more distracted by the fact that Kody, in a voiceover
• 1:25:23
  Yeah. And then he says.
• 1:25:26
  I feel like yelling Hallelujah. Yes, what a relief.
• 1:25:28
  What a blessing. I feel like yelling Hallelujah
• 1:25:36
  Hallelujah. I mean.
• 1:25:41
  On repeat. They ended it at the cul-de-sac
• 1:25:43
  yet again with all the children.
• 1:25:45
  With all the children. End of Season 3.
• 1:25:50
  End of Season 4. Beginning of Season 5.
• 1:25:55
  Yes, yes. All the children in the.
• 1:25:57
  Will they be in their homes by
• 1:26:01
  Will they, won't they? Will they?
• 1:26:02
  Won't they? Well, if Kimber is the Holy
• 1:26:04
  Spirit has anything to do with
• 1:26:07
  Nope, all that I have come to the conclusion of at the end of
• 1:26:10
  this episode is that you and I
• 1:26:13
  going to hell all the judging.
• 1:26:19
  I'm fine. It's good company, darlin.
• 1:26:21
  It's good company. You'd rather be in hell with you
• 1:26:24
  than in heaven with Kody Brown, Probably.
• 1:26:27
  Leon will be there being like you're wrong and terrible.
• 1:26:30
  Oh God, oh God. Be out of here.
• 1:26:33
  The judgement, the cruelty. We've come to the point of our
• 1:26:37
  episode where we have to, by law, say who is our mustard seed
• 1:26:45
  and who is our shit stain? I because you are a woman and
• 1:26:48
  because I am a traditionalist and I have a penis.
• 1:26:52
  You're going to go first. But I'm a big Kody Brown fan, so
• 1:26:56
  I'm going to go first with my Mustard Seed and my Mustard Seed
• 1:27:03
  this week. I wasn't prepared to go first.
• 1:27:05
  I was actually going to. Give it to you.
• 1:27:06
  I know you were, that's why I did that to.
• 1:27:09
  Cruel world. It's a cruel world.
• 1:27:12
  Oh gosh, who's my mustard? Seed men, you guys just get the
• 1:27:15
  shit out of the stick all the time.
• 1:27:17
  I know, I know, it's true. It's true.
• 1:27:21
  I think I'm going to give my mustard seed this episode to 1
• 1:27:24
  Meri Brown. Meri Brown has been through the
• 1:27:27
  wringer. She has been put through the
• 1:27:29
  wringer again and she went through that wringer 1/3 time
• 1:27:32
  and then the Holy Spirit showed up and shoved itself in her
• 1:27:35
  nostril and put her through the wringer 1/4 time.
• 1:27:37
  Checked out her ovaries. Said there's nothing happening
• 1:27:40
  in here. This vagina is dry and Meri was
• 1:27:45
  not treated well by her child.
• 1:27:48
  husband. This is a theme and I feel bad
• 1:27:52
  for one Meri Brown, so I'm giving her my mustard seed.
• 1:27:55
  Not because she did anything positive.
• 1:27:56
  Did she do anything positive this episode?
• 1:27:59
  She didn't talk much. I was going to say all she had
• 1:28:02
  to do was kind of defend herself
• 1:28:06
  So yeah, I'm going to give my mustard seed to Meri because she
• 1:28:09
  was maybe the least idiotic. Let's go with that.
• 1:28:12
  Yeah. Who's your mustard seed,
• 1:28:14
  darling? This is a tough one for me
• 1:28:17
  because everybody did some shit to piss me off, which they
• 1:28:22
  always do, but I feel like this one was particularly like, Oh
• 1:28:26
  my God, my mustard seed is going to Maddie for not giving into
• 1:28:34
  the bullshit and being kind of a
• 1:28:41
  interview, 'cause it was very apparent that they were trying
• 1:28:45
  to get emotion and milk an interview out of Maddie.
• 1:28:50
  And they did do a cute scene with Maddie and her friends and
• 1:28:55
  she kept it clean. She kept it cute.
• 1:28:58
  And I probably would have at that age, been wearing matching
• 1:29:02
  T-shirts with my girls, too, and
• 1:29:06
  street, you know, being all cute and then playing hard ass in
• 1:29:10
  the confessional situation. So I'm going to give her my
• 1:29:15
  mustard seed because I think that they tried to play her
• 1:29:17
  dirty and she didn't let them.
• 1:29:19
  I agree with that. Well once again I am the man.
• 1:29:22
  I have a penis so I should go first.
• 1:29:24
  OK, fair enough. And I'm going to give my shit
• 1:29:27
  stain to 1 Miss Robyn Brown, Robyn Sullivan, Robyn Jessup,
• 1:29:33
  Robyn. Whatever else her last name
• 1:29:35
  could be on her credit report.
• 1:29:40
  The lies, the fraud, the laziness, the mental incapacity,
• 1:29:50
  everything about it. Everything about her.
• 1:29:51
  This episode was so gross to me,
• 1:29:57
  Obviously, lying about the past is a broad.
• 1:29:59
  Stroke Egregious. Just egregious.
• 1:30:02
  It's it is terrible, but then what gets me even more is then
• 1:30:06
  the current day. Oh, I don't want this to affect
• 1:30:09
  my family, the things that happened to me in the past.
• 1:30:13
  It's like your past, your life, the life hasn't just happened
• 1:30:18
  to you, Robyn. And there's something about
• 1:30:21
  people that approach life where everything is just life
• 1:30:23
  happening to them, where they don't, they don't take any
• 1:30:26
  ownership for anything. And life does throw curveballs
• 1:30:29
  to us. There are things that are out of
• 1:30:31
  our control, but that's not everything.
• 1:30:33
  And she makes it sound like it's
• 1:30:37
  And her past choices she's having ramifications for and she
• 1:30:41
  wants to make it sound like she doesn't want it to affect the
• 1:30:44
  family. I feel like as as a way to
• 1:30:47
  elicit them to do more for her
• 1:30:50
  her. Yeah, and it's ridiculous.
• 1:30:52
  Like leave it down to two weeks,
• 1:30:55
  Like you had the capability to
• 1:31:01
  You could have been going to your sister wives and saying,
• 1:31:03
  hey, can you guys help me with
• 1:31:09
  to go and take care of some things so that we can get this
• 1:31:11
  done. No, she obviously didn't do
• 1:31:13
  that. She waited until somebody came
• 1:31:15
  to her and said, no, you need to
• 1:31:18
  I just think that she was trying
• 1:31:23
  entire episode. The lack of tears shows the
• 1:31:29
  level of manipulation because usually the tears would be
• 1:31:33
  flowing, flowing, flowing. It's so phony and there's
• 1:31:38
  something gross going on. And I think that she manipulated
• 1:31:43
  this family into bringing her in.
• 1:31:45
  And then I also think like I'm
• 1:31:50
  what I would have said because
• 1:31:56
  and I feel like it's a ploy to
• 1:32:02
  I feel like there's something weird about her all of a sudden
• 1:32:05
  deciding to move her baby sister
• 1:32:08
  homes and trying to introduce her as a new character and then
• 1:32:12
  it doesn't go anywhere. I think it was like a ploy
• 1:32:15
  because this baby sister has to be like over 18 so they
• 1:32:21
  probably know that they would have had to pay her if she
• 1:32:24
  became a regular on the show. I feel like there was something
• 1:32:27
  weird going on there as well. There's something with it
• 1:32:30
  because although I'm not sure if
• 1:32:33
  future, we do see other Robyn family members move into her
• 1:32:37
  home and care for her children.
• 1:32:39
  Now, they're not stars of the show, but there is an element of
• 1:32:50
  What is Robyn doing? She can't raise her own kids.
• 1:32:54
  I don't get it. I.
• 1:32:55
  Don't want to say raise, that sounds dramatic.
• 1:32:56
  I'm making it sound dramatic. Not everyone who has a nanny
• 1:32:59
  isn't raising their children. I don't want to broad brush
• 1:33:02
  stroke that. But like this bitch doesn't have
• 1:33:07
  on graph paper and it's doodles that someone else is actually
• 1:33:10
  making. She's not even.
• 1:33:12
  She's a shit stain. Yeah, she's a shit stain.
• 1:33:16
  Now, according to the rules of science and the laws of this
• 1:33:19
  government, you are not allowed to have the same shit stain as
• 1:33:24
  my reasons for why I would have shown my shit stain.
• 1:33:28
  Well, Tara, Lease, Tara Lise, I don't think we're going to see
• 1:33:34
  real shit. I'm just kidding.
• 1:33:36
  That bench, that bench for like half a second.
• 1:33:39
  She looked at me wrong through the TV and I didn't like it.
• 1:33:42
  Yes, yes. I'm going to go with Leon.
• 1:33:44
  I was going to say Leon if. Not Leon on their high.
• 1:33:48
  Horse riding extra high because of the Honor Society.
• 1:33:55
  Whatever, Nerd nerd loser to have a swirling in a toilet
• 1:34:02
  nerd. Yes.
• 1:34:02
  Throw that nerd in the trash can, yeah?
• 1:34:05
  No St. smarts, all you got is book smarts.
• 1:34:09
  It's coming from someone who also is nerd.
• 1:34:14
  Not Honor Society, but honor roll Chris.
• 1:34:18
  Definitely not the same thing. Well.
• 1:34:21
  I think Honor Roll's the Walmart version of the honor side.
• 1:34:25
  We'll go with that. I'm fine taking.
• 1:34:27
  Leon is looking at you like this nose judgement.
• 1:34:30
  Well, I'm going to kick Leon in the teeth right now because I
• 1:34:35
  got to tell you, Leon, how dare you talk to your mother that
• 1:34:39
  way. How very dare you, you
• 1:34:41
  ungrateful brat. I just couldn't believe the
• 1:34:46
  hatred that was coming from Leon's face.
• 1:34:51
  Yeah. Those facial expressions were
• 1:34:54
  that of pure anger. I am sure that I spoke to my
• 1:34:59
  mother in horrible ways at that age as well, and in hindsight, I
• 1:35:11
  I have. You don't.
• 1:35:12
  Get brownie points for apologizing about being no.
• 1:35:14
  But I have, I've been like mom, like, you know, now that I know
• 1:35:18
  what you were going through, please forgive me.
• 1:35:22
  Sob story OK yeah, so Leon was a bitch.
• 1:35:26
  It pisses me off that they just keep on keeping on with this
• 1:35:31
  narrative for Meri and everyone's just so insensitive
• 1:35:46
  they know I'm upset or like have seen me upset will ask me if I'm
• 1:36:02
  just, I don't know, something about it just really made me mad
• 1:36:06
  and I didn't like it at all. And I hope, I hope that Leon has
• 1:36:16
  telling her she was a dumb bitch, probably at some point.
• 1:36:22
  Admit your wrongdoings, Leon. Tell your mother you're sorry.
• 1:36:32
  You know, and another element of the Leon story is whatever's
• 1:36:36
  going on with their dead name at this time.
• 1:36:42
  True. You know, Leon is clearly
• 1:36:46
  struggling with other things and trying to figure themselves out
• 1:36:51
  in a world that is surrounded by polygamy and religious dogma
• 1:36:56
  and whatnotness. And I don't think it's, you
• 1:37:00
  know, I went off for it up as an excuse, but I think it is some,
• 1:37:04
  it's a part of the piece of the puzzle.
• 1:37:06
  Right. Like they're doubling down South
• 1:37:12
  It's like Uber conservative senators that are like, you
• 1:37:16
  know, in the bathroom getting blowjobs from the.
• 1:37:18
  Same day like finding glory holes.
• 1:37:20
  Yeah, train stations. And they're like the loudest
• 1:37:23
  protesters. It's just what it is.
• 1:37:25
  And people that are dealing with a lot, you know, express
• 1:37:29
  themselves in some not great ways.
• 1:37:31
  I can see that and it sucks that the person that's probably
• 1:37:36
  closest to them is taking the heat.
• 1:37:38
  Yeah, yeah. And I guess sometimes my biggest
• 1:37:55
  aggressive and maybe catches someone off guard.
• 1:37:57
  What's weird about that to me is like it feels like they don't
• 1:38:01
  talk about it off camera and that it's being suppressed.
• 1:38:04
  And all of a sudden it comes out because of the questions that
• 1:38:07
  the producers are asking. But also it makes me wonder what
• 1:38:13
  So it's like it could go both ways, right?
• 1:38:15
  Like this behavior is being brought out because of the
• 1:38:19
  interviews. Or do you talk worse to each
• 1:38:22
  other behind the scenes? Like, I don't know.
• 1:38:25
  I guess based on Christine's book and some other tidbits, I
• 1:38:33
  Yeah. And so when it's brought up on
• 1:38:39
  and. It's heated.
• 1:38:40
  Because, you know, flashback to season 1 when Christine left the
• 1:38:50
  call it on this show. And they didn't film for like 3
• 1:38:54
  or 4 days because Christine was so pissed.
• 1:38:56
  And then they came back and like in through editing, made it look
• 1:39:03
  things that they don't communicate well about.
• 1:39:05
  But I think that the kids probably talk to their parents
• 1:39:09
  worse off camera than they do on
• 1:39:12
  I think that that maybe is like a parent thing that they don't
• 1:39:15
  talk enough because their households are more separate
• 1:39:18
  than they would lead us to believe.
• 1:39:21
  But I think the kids probably with their parents would maybe
• 1:39:25
  talk more off camera cuz I can
• 1:39:29
  that they're holding back. Yeah, most of the time.
• 1:39:32
  So I think that Leon probably talks to Meri like that
• 1:39:36
  frequently off camera. And I think Kody does the whole
• 1:39:40
  like well I agree with Leon thing regularly.
• 1:39:44
  Yeah, Kody likes to pit people
• 1:39:46
  Yes, if. Anyone's going to be adversarial
• 1:39:48
  against Meri, Kody's going to take their side.
• 1:39:50
  Yeah. So while I can have empathy for
• 1:39:54
  Leon's position and knowing what
• 1:39:57
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• 1:40:00
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• 1:40:04
  it still sucks that you would take it out on someone who
• 1:40:06
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• 1:40:10
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