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8-27-26 Hour 1 - NFL rules on returning to college/Can't take Carmelo seriously/Payton at the podium · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Did you have any players come to you asking if
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  Speaker 2: I'd go back to college?
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  Speaker 1: I have not.
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  Speaker 2: I have not. What did you think about that when
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  Speaker 2: you heard that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I asked.
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  Speaker 2: You still play college.
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  Speaker 3: But I can't move well enough. I'm not really up
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  Speaker 3: to speed on, like, I feel like I'm in the
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  Speaker 3: dark with it all, and I don't have time to, like,
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  Speaker 3: read up on it, but.
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  Speaker 4: Certainly it's unusual, right?
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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton yesterday talking about this memo that was sent
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  Speaker 2: around the NFL regarding players like.
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  Speaker 5: Daquan Wright, Zavian Harris.
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  Speaker 2: Guys who were in NFL training camps that were cut
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  Speaker 2: and then wanted to go back to college for another year,
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  Speaker 2: mostly to go play for Lane Kiffin at LSU. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what the memo said. They held a special meeting Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: that reminded teams any players signed to an NFL contract
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  Speaker 2: who was subsequently cut is a free agent. That player
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  Speaker 2: can sign with another NFL club, join the CFL, or
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  Speaker 2: return to college. Any player cut by the NFL team
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  Speaker 2: who returns to college will still be considered a free
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  Speaker 2: agent and therefore not subject to a future draft. So
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  Speaker 2: here's what the NFL said. Not my monkey, not my circus. NCAA,
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  Speaker 2: this is on you. We don't care.
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  Speaker 4: The guy's cut.
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  Speaker 5: He'll be a free agent forever.
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  Speaker 2: If he goes back to college, has a amazing season
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  Speaker 2: where he's got like a first round draft pick. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to the draft. So whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You said something about that, Vicky.
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  Speaker 2: You said something about that.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, two days ago, three days ago, and
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  Speaker 6: we were talking about Daquan and the judges ruling and
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  Speaker 6: all this kind of thing, and I said, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the NFL, I said, they won't do anything. They're like,
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  Speaker 6: we just don't want a part of it. We don't
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  Speaker 6: give a rat's rip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Get out of our face. This guy's a free agent.
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  Speaker 2: We're done.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, they're hands-off with this, but they were
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  Speaker 7: certainly hands-on.
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  Speaker 2: With Brendan Sorsby. Completely different take on that one.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's because he's trying to get back into the league.
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  Speaker 6: This guy's trying to get back. Out of the league
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  Speaker 6: and back to college.
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  Speaker 8: I understand.
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  Speaker 7: But at some point, the NFL is going to have
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  Speaker 7: to acknowledge that they're a partner in this game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At some point. They're a partner in this development league
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  Speaker 2: that is college football. Here's, I think, the main problem
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  Speaker 2: with this.
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  Speaker 6: And.
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  Speaker 4: You.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we talked about how college football... People can only
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  Speaker 2: handle so much change at once. And you've had to
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  Speaker 2: deal with a lot of change in college football. But
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  Speaker 2: I've maintained... That the actual, the teams that are at
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  Speaker 2: the top, the teams that are at the bottom, hasn't
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  Speaker 2: changed all that much. What these new rules have allowed,
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  Speaker 2: they've allowed Indiana, through an influx of money, to be
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  Speaker 2: part of this bigger conversation in college football. It's allowed
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech to be part of this bigger conversation. But
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the teams in the top 25,
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  Speaker 2: it's the same old suspects for the most part. The
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  Speaker 2: big difference that I see in college football right now
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  Speaker 2: is that they are fractured in a way that that
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  Speaker 2: league really hasn't been in my lifetime in this sense.
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  Speaker 5: They all kind of pulled in.
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  Speaker 2: The same direction. You know, there were teams that skirted
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  Speaker 2: rules and teams that got favorable treatments as opposed to others, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: But when they kind of decided as a group, meaning
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  Speaker 2: the NCAA, which I'll remind you, Do you know how
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  Speaker 2: much money they make a year in revenue as a whole,
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  Speaker 2: the NCAA? It's $ 20 billion. It's a gigantic corporation. It's
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they aren't on the same page anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it kind of started when the SEC goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: what if we just broke off and did our own thing?
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  Speaker 5: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 2: When you start to threaten that we aren't together anymore,
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  Speaker 2: we're separate things, well, No wonder the SEC comes out
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  Speaker 2: with no NFL players are allowed in college again. And
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin goes, oh yeah? What if I find a
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  Speaker 2: judge that says differently? You aren't together anymore. You're totally
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  Speaker 2: fractured and everybody's looking out for themselves. It's different than
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  Speaker 2: what college has been pretty much in my whole life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, man?
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  Speaker 6: The SEC and Big Ten, I think they realize they
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  Speaker 6: need each other.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they certainly do.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but outside of them, they've sort of been on
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  Speaker 6: their own away from the ACC and the Big 12
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  Speaker 6: and the rest of college sports for quite a while now.
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  Speaker 6: The SEC and the Big 10 live on their own island.
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  Speaker 6: So you talk, we're not all together. Well, they're not
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  Speaker 6: all together. They look out for themselves, number one, and
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  Speaker 6: then the rest sort of falls in line behind them.
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  Speaker 2: The power is starting to transfer over, though. Follow me
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  Speaker 2: on this one.
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  Speaker 7: For years, college football coaches in colleges, when it came
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  Speaker 7: to recruiting football players, the goal was, we're going to
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  Speaker 7: get you to the National Football League. We're going to
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  Speaker 7: make you professionals. We're going to make you a ton
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  Speaker 7: of money. Well, now the colleges can pay money freely.
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  Speaker 7: So they have entered the power vacuum and taken some
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  Speaker 7: of that back.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 7: Why do we have to rely on the NFL to
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  Speaker 7: send you somewhere when we can give you the money ourselves?
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  Speaker 2: Now, they can't pay them until they're 35 years old, but. No,
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  Speaker 2: but they can pay them for four to five years. Well, here's,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to look ahead and see what could
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  Speaker 2: potentially be a problem for the NFL. And here's what,
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. So money's different now from
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  Speaker 2: 15 years ago, understood in both leagues. But I think
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  Speaker 2: the issue that they could run into is something like this.
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  Speaker 2: As an undrafted free agent, NFL signs you to a contract.
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  Speaker 2: You're making pennies on the dollar compared to what a
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  Speaker 2: first-round pick's going to make, right? Especially in guaranteed money.
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  Speaker 2: You get no guaranteed money. If you have a Chris
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  Speaker 2: Harris Jr. that steps into your training camp and plays really,
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  Speaker 2: really well, you know how much Chris Harris Jr. got
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  Speaker 2: paid his rookie season in the NFL? $ 375, 000. Well, he
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  Speaker 2: was an undrafted player. Well, this is my point. In
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  Speaker 2: year two, because he's on the undrafted contract, it's $ 465, 000.
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  Speaker 2: In year three, he got paid $ 555, 000. What if, I'm just,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think down the road, Lane Kiffin goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: you can play for $ 375, 000 for the Broncos, or I'll
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  Speaker 2: give you $ 4 million to play this year for LSU. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Try and buy out your contract. Is that allowed? Or
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  Speaker 2: do you hit.
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  Speaker 5: A Jonas Valanciunas-Panathinaikos situation?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But did he use up his college eligibility?
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  Speaker 2: Let's say he's got a year left. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: year left. That's a different story. I mean, could you.
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  Speaker 5: Go to the NFL team and be like, I'll buy
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  Speaker 5: out his contract?
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  Speaker 4: Question for Vic.
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  Speaker 6: I want Vic Lombardi's undivided attention and logical response to
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  Speaker 6: this question.
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  Speaker 2: Vic, if the SEC and Big Ten.
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  Speaker 6: Had their way, how much college eligibility would Would they
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  Speaker 6: allow to their players?
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  Speaker 2: Unlimited.
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  Speaker 4: You're frigging right.
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  Speaker 8: Unlimited.
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  Speaker 6: You're damn right. Listen, Brett, here's what I'm getting at.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to see a day when you have players.
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  Speaker 2: Representing the college, but not necessarily going to college.
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  Speaker 4: That is correct.
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  Speaker 6: I would argue to you, they're going, okay, well, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to, Four or five years, whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to fight for 10 years because there are
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  Speaker 6: plenty of very, very good college football players who will
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  Speaker 6: not make it in the NFL. They just won't because
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  Speaker 6: of the numbers and because of everything else, right? They're tweeners.
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  Speaker 6: But in college, listen, the SEC and the Big Ten,
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  Speaker 6: the worst NFL team would beat the snot out of
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  Speaker 6: the champions of either of those conferences.
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  Speaker 4: That's the way it is because they're pros versus college players.
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  Speaker 6: But these guys could play in college until they're 35.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not kidding you.
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  Speaker 6: So when do we see the day, Vic, when the
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  Speaker 6: SEC and the Big 12, or Big 10, excuse me,
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  Speaker 6: finally go, all right, screw it. 10 years of eligibility. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: we'll draw the line at 10 years. So 18 to 28.
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  Speaker 6: I'm telling you, that day is going to come.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how you define. All right, let
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  Speaker 2: me ask you a question. What is college for? Why
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  Speaker 2: do you go to college? Why do you go to college, Moshe?
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  Speaker 2: Are you asking me? I'm asking either of you.
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  Speaker 5: Answer a simple question.
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking either of you. A human being that lives
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  Speaker 2: in the United States of America. To get a degree
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  Speaker 2: in a field that you could get a job for.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you go to college? What's the ultimate goal?
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  Speaker 2: Have some pizza. Learn about Cuba. It's to get a degree.
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  Speaker 2: It's to have the college experience. It's to hang out
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  Speaker 2: with friends. It's to live on your own. It's to
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  Speaker 2: become an adult, we'll say. I think I've simplified even more.
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  Speaker 2: You go to college. To get a job. To get
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  Speaker 2: a job. Yes. What if you already have a job
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  Speaker 2: while you're there? I did. And that's your job.
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  Speaker 7: Just like a college professor can work at a college
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  Speaker 7: until they're 80 years old.
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  Speaker 2: There's no limit.
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  Speaker 7: There's no term limit on a college professor. He or
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  Speaker 7: she represents the college. Mo, you're on to something. I
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if college sports went that route and
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  Speaker 7: they basically said, You know, this whole, hey, come to
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  Speaker 7: our school. school and go to school and, you know,
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  Speaker 7: get a degree. That's fine and dandy. But we want
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  Speaker 7: a marketing arm. And our marketing arm is our football team,
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  Speaker 7: our basketball team. And as long as they're just marketing
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  Speaker 7: for us, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Care if they get degrees. I don't care if they
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  Speaker 2: get 40 degrees.
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  Speaker 6: You're watching Michigan and whomever, Michigan and Purdue on– ABC
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  Speaker 6: on a Saturday. And the commercials come on. What's on
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  Speaker 6: those commercials?
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  Speaker 7: It's usually these sappy commercials about why you should go
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  Speaker 7: to school at your university.
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  Speaker 4: It's exactly right.
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  Speaker 6: Michigan, our science program and our space, and we like
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  Speaker 6: to mate frogs, and we have the greatest teaching academy
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  Speaker 6: in the history of college. So college football is a
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  Speaker 6: marketing arm for the university, period. That's why it floats
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  Speaker 6: all boats. That's why when you had these idiots in Boulder... going,
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  Speaker 6: shut down the football program. I'm like, you stupid suckholes.
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  Speaker 6: Do you even know what the football program is doing
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  Speaker 6: for your school? Do you have any idea? And now,
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  Speaker 6: because the applications for Colorado, when Prime took over, dude,
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  Speaker 6: that's why very few college-bound students in Colorado can even
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  Speaker 6: get into the mother. It's because the national applications flooded CU.
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  Speaker 6: It floats all boats, and whether you like it or not,
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  Speaker 6: you better understand it because that's the way it goes, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting?
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  Speaker 7: College sports might just, if the NFL refuses to support
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  Speaker 7: the development portion of college football, right, if the NFL
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  Speaker 7: just looks the other way and says, nah, we're just
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  Speaker 7: going to pick your best players every year and utilize
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  Speaker 7: them for the rest of their lives, what's to stop
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  Speaker 7: college footballs to say, okay, we're just going to compete
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  Speaker 7: against you?
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  Speaker 2: In a different way. Like, go to the state of
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  Speaker 2: Ohio right now. Who do you think is a more
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  Speaker 2: popular football team? Ohio State University or the Cleveland Browns? Buckeyes.
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  Speaker 2: Who's a more popular team in the state of Ohio?
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  Speaker 2: I honestly don't know.
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  Speaker 6: No, because the Buckeyes are, you got people from all
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  Speaker 6: over Ohio who take pride in the Buckeyes because that's
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  Speaker 6: the number one school.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're good.
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  Speaker 5: My buddy Ryan, who's a diehard of both of them,
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  Speaker 5: I asked him the question.
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  Speaker 2: If you could get a Super Bowl for the Browns
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  Speaker 2: or three more natties for Ohio State, what do you take?
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  Speaker 2: And he would take the Browns.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do to Ryan.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to get him when he's sleeping.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to shave his head.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be rude of you.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 7: So I think what you're saying is it's a circle
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  Speaker 7: because there was a time in the early– you know,
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  Speaker 7: 100 years ago, college football was more popular than pro football.
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  Speaker 2: You understand that, right?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Pro football was nonexistent. Nobody played pro football. Pro football then, hell,
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  Speaker 2: college football ran the show in the United States.
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  Speaker 7: It got very dangerous. Congress thought about eliminating college football.
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  Speaker 2: They survived. Pro football actually grew from that. So it's
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  Speaker 2: not like pro football is the root. The root is
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  Speaker 2: college football. And if the colleges decide, you know what?
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  Speaker 7: Why do we have to masquerade like we're here to
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  Speaker 7: promote student athletes?
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  Speaker 2: These guys are just working for us. Like the janitor
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  Speaker 2: works for us. Like the professor works for us. Like
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  Speaker 2: anybody else at the school works for us. And their
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  Speaker 2: role is to market on a big stage. Why can't
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  Speaker 2: they do that? What's wrong with that? You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: players and athletes that represent Arsenal.
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  Speaker 7: They represent different Cities across the world, why can't they
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  Speaker 7: represent schools?
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  Speaker 2: Counter-argument is, isn't life pretty good already? Some things I
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  Speaker 2: always wonder with the NFL in college football. Don't you
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  Speaker 2: guys got it pretty good? You're making billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: every single year. You got a product that, for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, people seem to really, really like. Why push
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  Speaker 2: the envelope even further and further? Why push it to
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  Speaker 2: the point to where you're You're potentially upsetting your customer
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  Speaker 2: base who likes your product. I'll give you another example,
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  Speaker 2: and I could pick a lot of these, too.
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  Speaker 5: What do they call it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it New Coke?
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  Speaker 5: What was the clear Coke that they came out with?
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  Speaker 5: What was that called?
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  Speaker 2: Coke Zero? No, no. There was like a clear Coca-Cola
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  Speaker 2: product that came out back in the day. New Coke
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  Speaker 2: and Crystal Pepsi?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, New Coke and Crystal Pepsi.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want that. No.
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  Speaker 5: Just give us the product that we like.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you think, what football team carries more weight
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana? The Indianapolis Colts or the
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 7: I could pick a bunch of these and just throw
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  Speaker 7: them your way. And I'm telling you right now, if
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  Speaker 7: they really wanted to disenfranchise and break the rules, that's
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  Speaker 7: how you do it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Brett.
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  Speaker 8: Brett.
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  Speaker 6: The San Francisco 49ers or the Sac State Hornets?
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  Speaker 2: That's a tough one. It's right down the middle. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying you're wrong, Vic, but I'm just– I'm questioning
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  Speaker 2: how– Like, is that true? If you took all these
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  Speaker 2: people that were in Indiana and said, Notre Dame national title,
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  Speaker 2: Colts Super Bowl, what would you take? Or you took,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the same thing, like, I know in Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of Michigan and Sparty fans out there, I
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  Speaker 2: think the Lions are bigger than they are. Well, me.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm saying is that at the very, at the worst,
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  Speaker 6: it's 60-40 at the worst. Probably even, and maybe in
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  Speaker 6: some areas, Wolverines or more.
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  Speaker 7: The collective of the NFL is obviously more popular, the collective.
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  Speaker 2: But the regionalization of some of these schools, it's not
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  Speaker 2: even close. See, you didn't go to a college football school.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you witnessed it. I did. Vic, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up in Nebraska.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: So you did witness it. So you did witness it.
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  Speaker 2: So you can understand where I'm coming from on this.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I know exactly how these people feel about
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  Speaker 2: their team. Now, the difference is Nebraska didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: professional franchise that was down the street from them. So
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  Speaker 2: I have nothing to compare that to. But no, I
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  Speaker 2: know the fervor for college football very, very well.
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  Speaker 5: I know it.
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  Speaker 2: And those people are crazy. They would do horrible things
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  Speaker 2: for Nebraska to be good at football.
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  Speaker 7: When I lived in Austin, Texas, the fervor and the
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  Speaker 7: loyalty to Texas football from what I noticed around was tremendous.
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  Speaker 7: Higher demand than it was for the Dallas Cowboys or
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  Speaker 7: the Houston Texans or Houston Oilers at the time.
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  Speaker 5: A texter says, Kansas basketball is the biggest sport in Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: He says, I know it's a technicality.
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  Speaker 4: All right, fine.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, not bigger than the Chiefs.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: They're big, not bigger than the Chiefs.
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: Again, you're weighing a team that is, it's a cross-country sport.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: The NFL is a country. College sports is regional. It's
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: largely regional.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: And I think they dominate their regions. Well, they have to. Hey,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I brought this up before with you guys, and I'm
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: going to get everybody to disagree with me again. Moshe,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you again. I'll ask you. College
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: football or the NFL? If you gave me one weekend,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you got to watch one sport over the other. It's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: not even close. I'm picking college football every single time.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I get more out of it. It's more fun for me.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The NFL... When compared to college football, to me, second rate.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: That's fine. That's your opinion.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It is entirely my opinion.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: It's based on what makes you more of a fan.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of people who think that way, too. There's plenty.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: NFL ratings, though, they're untouchable. Of course.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Untouchable.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: There's no denying the numbers. I'm just telling you how
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I feel, and I'm not the only one. College football,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: for me, is much more entertaining than NFL football. Always
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: has been, always will be. Not the only thing that
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: we'll get to from the NFL and news from over
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the weekend. Get some audio, by the way. I want
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to play from Sean Payton yesterday as well.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: 303-504-0925.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And by the way, these Bo Nix people, they're trying
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: to fry me.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Well, it's because you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Said something stupid yesterday.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: You said he wasn't exciting yesterday.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: He's an exciting player.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I did not say that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You did say that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I was asked, am I excited about him? I didn't
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: say he's not excited.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Don't you try and do the wordplay stuff on me.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: What's today?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Thursday?
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: Semantics!
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Today's the day, Steven. You better be on the dump button.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now because today is the day
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: stuff is coming out of my mouth.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And you're not going to.
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: The SE.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: The FCC is not going.
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: To like it. You know what?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: The FCC might get into this game, too.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure they're going to use the same language
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I will.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: So, got keywords coming up here. A chance to get
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you in the building Monday night. Denver at KC. Another
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: keyword next. All right, got a keyword coming sometime in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the next 20 minutes.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I'm watching.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: We have two screens on it. It's ESPN and ESPN2.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: We have the Little League World Series going on. And
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: there is a kid.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was shocked to see this, Moshe. kid from Davenport, Iowa.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And it lists, it says their name and then a
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: favorite something, favorite food, favorite dessert, favorite whatever. His was
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: favorite artist. And he said, Eminem. And I go, that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: seems a little young for Eminem. I'm well versed in
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the Eminem catalog. Which songs is he listening to exactly?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: In which version of those songs is he listening to?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: This 11 year old is favorite group is N.W.A.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Favorite movie?
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Scarface.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Anyway, good for that kid. You know what? He's growing
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: up to be just like Vic. Good for you, bud.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: A rap connoisseur, we will say.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Gangster rap. Yes, gangster rap. Gangster rap, yeah. Of course.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: There are, like.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Bigger, sportsier stories to get to, but I got stuck
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: on something again. It's much like when I saw the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Jed York story. I couldn't get it out of my head.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I can't get this out of my head. I got
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: stuck on something, too, I want to get to. Okay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: can you hold it for a second? Yeah, I'm going
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to hold mine.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I'm just holding it. My beef with Carmelo Anthony has
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: always been, because I wasn't here when he left. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't here for the aftermath. My beef with him because
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I've adopted this town. This is my town now. This
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: is my town. And if you talk bad about my town,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I get mad.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Today is the day I curse hard. Yeah, I can
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: feel it coming, Vic. Right now, I can feel it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Okay, I've not heard this story. Obviously, Carmelo did something
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: to anger you and Denver.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So this is— No, no, no.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with Denver. I'm just setting
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: up why this made me angry.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: He will take shots at Denver, but then he'll talk
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: to Vic and say how much he loves Denver, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: my whole thing is you're being disingenuous. You're only saying
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: this because you feel like, one, you have to say it,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and two, you just want people to like you. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: just feel like he's not being honest. So the dishonesty
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is what bothers me about Carmelo. He was on a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: podcast with Rudy Gay, and they were talking about how
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: they wind down as basketball players, and I want you
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: guys to listen. Nelly, go ahead.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: And I'm glad that you were able to tell this
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: story about Magic City in a sense, but we utilized
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: those moments to go to places like that. And it
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: was very, at times, it was very respectful, though.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Pause for a second.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Magic City is the famous strip club in Atlanta.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That is what he's discussing. He's discussing strip clubs. Go ahead.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: We were going, like, yo, we don't want no girls. Like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: there's no girls around us. Like, we coming here, we chilling,
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: we bonding. We got to get our mind right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: We going to come and eat. We going to have.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Chili's is pretty.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Good too though, boy. Just let him go. Just let
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: him go.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: We got to get our mind right. We're going to
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: come and eat. We're going to have a good team outing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: No girls.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Leave it alone. You might lose two or three games
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in a row.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to magic. We're all going to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: get together.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: No girls.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: We're just going to laugh, chill, have a drink, eat, whatever.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: Everybody thinks that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: You are going there to get lap dances. You're going
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: there for the boys. No, you're not going there for the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: You're really going there to clear your mind. You're going
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: there to just relax and clear your mind. Might have
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: a drink, might have some food. Most strip clubs got
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: the best food. So you prefer to go there. You
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: get everything in one. You get music, you get food,
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: you get good vibes.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: You get to watch the games.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So, let me just tell you something. That might be
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the most disingenuous conversation I've ever heard in the history
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of podcast, broadcast, cast, cast. When I'm talking about disingenuous
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and flat out lying, I cannot think of something that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: lies more than that conversation I just heard for the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: last minute.
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: Most strip clubs got the best food.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: You could go, you know that Gordon Ramsay Michelin star restaurant?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Doesn't hold a candle to Magic City and the dudes
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: working back there. Not a candle to it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Shanahan's has a back room. You know, you can go
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: have steaks in the back.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: We're going to the strip club, Moj.
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: Hang on.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: For good food, good vibes.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Camaraderie.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And to watch the game, which sounds like places I
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: go to all the time with fully clothed women. They're
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: called sports bars or breweries. Now, do people listen? Back
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: in the day, if you attended one of those clubs,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the intent, the intent. Let me just speak on behalf
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: of the men who attend those clubs. The intent and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the reason you attend is for the tourism attraction. The tourism.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: It's not for the food. It's not for the camaraderie.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It's not for any of that. That is the biggest
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: lie I've ever heard in my life. In my life.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: I just need a place to, you know, kick back,
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: have some brewskis, watch the game with my boys, recharge
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: after a two or three game losing streak.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. You guys remember
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the clip from Steve Ballmer where he said, they conned me, right?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You always know when somebody's telling the truth when they
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: hit that octave. That one up here.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Can you play that again for me, Nelly?
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: Most strip clubs got the best fool.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Well, what it sounds like to me is a couple
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: dudes just trying to legitimize some of their vices.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Look, they conned me.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it Lou Williams? Who was the player?
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: Was it Lou Williams who decided not to go to
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: the bubble because he was infatuated with Magic City's chicken wings?
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: Yes, he left the bubble, and I think he had
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: a family obligation, but on the way back, he swung
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: by Magic City just for chicken wings.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The wings. I'm sure he got them to go.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not trying to be, you know, This
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: is not about being morally superior.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: It's just, don't lie. Just be honest. I don't care
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: what you do with your free time. I don't care
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: what you do with your boys.
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: Hell, I got in trouble once when I was helping
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: coach my kids' baseball team.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you how old they were.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I took them to Hooters. I got in trouble for that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: What's he going to say?
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: It sounds like Melo is describing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: More of Hooters.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: You know that old magazine, Playboy? Well, you read it
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: for the articles. Yes, of course.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Like Rube Baker did in Major League.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Vic, do you recall when Playboy had their college football
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: All-American issue and all that kind of thing? Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And it was an honor. These guys, they came cross-country.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: These guys wanted to be in Playboy. These dudes, yes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Was that the old, was that the one where Bob
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Hope introduced them? Or was that a different one?
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: That was a different one.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: Okay. But Playboy had their All-American team. I'm not kidding you, dude.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I read it for the articles.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Come on. Can I ask you something? You know, stop.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I've never done this before, but just can I ask
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: you something?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yes. If I went to one of these establishments, if
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I went to Shotguns, Okay, let's.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Just say this.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You've been to one of these establishments. No, no, of course,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of course. Let's not try to lie to our audience here.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: We're not in the lying mode here. No, a handful
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of occasions. And your intent on that establishment, let's continue.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: Your intent was not to enjoy some camaraderie and great food.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Well, this is my question. Of course, I think that
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: every man has been there. Have you been on a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: bachelor party? It happens. What I've never done is this
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: when I'm at the strip club, though. I've never dined
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and tucked the napkin into my shirt as I'm eating
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the wings. That I've never done.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: So are we, you want me to say it? I'll
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: say it because I'm the one who's got the biggest
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: problem with him.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: He's a fraud.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Mello is an absolute fraud. I don't want him back here.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: That wasn't the discussion, but okay. Well, I'm making it
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the discussion. I don't want his name in the rafters.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: Most strip clubs got the best for you.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Still, it's my favorite thing.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And you're so right. He's like, yeah, he talks to Vic.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Buddy's up to Vic. Oh, yeah, I love Denver. Denver's
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: my people, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then every other opportunity
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: he has, he badmouths the team.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Hey, Vic, was Carmelo at the Nuggets championship parade?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: No. Was he at New York's?
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: He lives in New York. I'm going to be very
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: upfront about this. Don't you?
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: He lives in New York.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Don't you?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: He lives in New York.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: Me. He can't afford the Southwest flight out from New
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: York to Denver.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Can I finish my statement, please?
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: I'm very biased when it comes to this because I
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: had a personal relationship with the guy when he was here,
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: and it's different than the one you might have.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So I've seen the good in him. I have. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: understand also where there's some holes in his logic. And
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: there's some holes in his logic. I acknowledge that. There
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: really is. He wants it so badly. You know, for
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: him to see the Knicks win a championship probably made
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: him feel better because the team he left won one
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: before his team, his new team won one.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: True.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: And they both won one without him.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Can I bring you guys something? By the way, this
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: is from.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at this. Elliott Friedman. Hey, Brett, can I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: bring you something first?
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, go ahead.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's time for another Rock Paper Tickets keyword.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Avoid. You know, we all know on defense to avoid
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, right?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they get too close, and we simply remind them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Avoid.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Text it in now to 303-504-0925. That's your keyword. It
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: is avoid.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: In your first and last name to 303-504-0925.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: They get you in the building at Rooftop Social on
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Tuesday for the Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament. If you win
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it all, you're off to KC with flights, hotel, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: tickets to watch Denver at KC Monday night to open
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the year. This from Elliott Friedman. About to go offline
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: for a bit, but the much-anticipated extension for Kale McCarr
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: in Colorado is closing in. Going to be a biggie,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: but a critical piece of business for the abs. So
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it looks like kale is right there at the two
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: yard line about to get this deal done.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: You know, when, when are we going to understand that? And,
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: and Mojo, I know you get it. Joe Sackick doesn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: mince words. He doesn't mess around. He doesn't play games.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: When he said the other day, it's fine. We're going
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to get it done. A lot of people shrug that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: off as, yeah, that's what he thinks. No, That's what
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: he means. It's not what he thinks. That's what he means.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: He's not going to sensationalize anything. He's not into that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: If he believes something's going to get done, it's going
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to get done. If he believes it's not, it's not.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: All you have to do is listen to what he says,
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: and you're going to learn. Take him at face value. Vic,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: after the Avs lost and they had this season wrap-up
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: news conference.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very matter-of-fact. Yeah, we weren't good enough.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: No excuses.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: And he said, look, Cale's going to be an avalanche
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: for life. Okay, so what do you want from me? Essentially,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: he's what he said.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, stop trying to nitpick this. Stop trying to look
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: at every angle. Stop trying to speculate. Stop trying to rationalize.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: He's going to be with us forever.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Every time we've discussed this topic, I've come on these airwaves,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: and I've said, it's going to get done. And, Brett,
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: you laid it out there perfectly. You were Joe Sackett. Hey,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: Cale– Do you want to take a little bit?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think I... Okay, well, then just sign
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: right here.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the way this goes because you're talking about.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Here's the check.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Write the number down and I'll throw my name on it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It's exactly right. Let's have a contest right now. Let's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: all throw out terms. What do you think the number
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and the term is going to be if it's signed today?
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: 18.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Well, let me do the math.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think... I mean, just don't throw out just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: one number. Okay, 18 for.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking for eight balls and $ 2 million.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: It's going to be an eight-year $ 152 to $ 155 million contract.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: What is that per?
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: That's 19 to 19.8 per.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: So you think he's going for the highest in the league? Probably.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I'd say maybe he gives him a little bit of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a haircut. I got a number. I'm going 18 and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a half. I got five years and $ 90 million.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: No, what?
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Divided by five equals 18 per.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I got five years, 90 million written down.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: So he's going to take less than Macklin Celebrini's getting
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: in San Jose.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: We're playing prices right here, all right? We've all had
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: our guesses. I got 590. That's the guess I got.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Okay, well, I think it's going to be a long term.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's going to be a max deal.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, eight years is what you can sign.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: If he gets it done.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Now he can get eight years. Vic, term is a
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: big thing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: 18 and a half over eight years.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Equals what?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: 148. Okay, I'm guessing. Eight at 148.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: I'm going to say it's 150 or north of 150.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: That's my guess.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a shorter deal than
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you think. I think it's 590.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's just my guess. I mean, I don't have
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: any insight. So Evan Rawal said they, hang on, I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just had it pulled up.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: One moment, please. McCarr extension should be done soon. Got
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: word they.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Agreed late last night on terms. Guess Sackett was not
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: worried for a reason. Okay, see, so.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Stop for a second. This is for my own personal psyche. Vic,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: you're a doctor of some things. Be a psychologist right now.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Why is it when Elliott Friedman says it or Evan
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: says it, Why does that carry more weight than when
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: I say it?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Because it's unbiased, and I understand where people are coming from.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: What are you saying?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: We're biased. We're biased.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: It's just like when I say something, when I told
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: you what the Nuggets were going to do, and I
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: told you this four months ago.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Right. I said it four months ago, and it happens.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's because we are biased, and I get it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Well, people have been freaking out a little bit. The
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Avs fans who are maybe hypersensitive to these kind of discussions.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: I said, it's going to get done. I said, don't worry. It's...
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: He's an avalanche, and he's going to be an avalanche.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: He's going to go down in history as one of
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: the greatest defensemen to ever play this game.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: He's got a couple Norris. There's more Norris coming.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: That's who this guy is, and it took me forever
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: to believe it in my own head because when I
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: discuss Bobby Orr, that's like discussing an apostle. But when
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: you look at the numbers and where things stack up
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: and how things compare, If things continue on the current track, Vic,
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: that's what this is. So why is it when I
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: talk about, dude, just relax.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't think that many people are freaking
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think people are freaking.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Never underestimate a sports fan's ability to freak.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I see it online. Oh, my God. You know, they're
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: going to get this done.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: The deadline's going up. That kind of thing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like, look, dude, it's going to be fine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: 303-504-0925. Remember, tune in at the 20-minute mark and 40-minute
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: mark of each hour for those keywords each show, your
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: chance to get in for that Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and a chance to go to that Monday night opener,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Denver and KC.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Yes, Vic?
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: I used to know this by heart, and I had
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: to look it up again because I forgot a couple,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: but let me test Mosher. How many of the 12
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: apostles can you name, Mosher?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Peter, Paul, Matthew, Luke.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: Judas. Judas.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: John. Hold on, hold on. Did you say Luke? Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: There's no Luke. Gerald. There's no Gerald or Austin. Francisco.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: He doesn't exist.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: Come on.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Let's get to all 12. Let's go. Come on.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Amos.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: No, Abus is not an apostle.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: Come on.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Matthew. Matthew, good job. I'm just thinking. Just do basic
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: religious type names and you'll probably hit them. Come on.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Africa Bambada and the Zulu Nation. Mackenzie. Nope. Mackenzie Phillips
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: is not an apostle. Bartholomew.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Bartholomew, there you go.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I love this. Good old Bart. I love this from
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a texter. Mosher, just say it like Stephen A. Smith
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: breaking down college basketball teams during NCAA tournament time. With authority.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ and them boys.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Andrew.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Andrew's an apostle.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: Simon.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Did you mention Simon?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: No, I didn't mention Simon.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: But here's the problem with these other kind of apostles
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: over here, Vic, like Andrew and Simon, they're just kind
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: of hanging out for the wine.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Ezekiel? They're not really involved in the goodness of the good.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Is there an Ezekiel? No, there's no Ezekiel. How many
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: did we get there?
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: He's just coming up.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: With religious names now.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: You told me to come up with religious names.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Muhammad.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: No, Muhammad's not an apostle. Joseph? Joseph is not an apostle, nope.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was his dad.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: We got most of them. I just wanted to test
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you there, Moj.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I did pretty good.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You did.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: The guys that hang out, the guys that are just
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: there for the bread and the wine.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Jonah and or the whale. No.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: There's guys over here just there for the bread and
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: the wine. They kind of hang out and walk around,
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: but they don't really do anything. I named all the
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: ones that did stuff. I'd be that apostle. I'd be like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: bread and wine time, boys.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jesus, you got a little beer over there? You
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: got a little nice IPA?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I'd be the activities apostle. Hey, dunk hoop, scepter, dinner.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: All right. A little golf?
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: 303-504-0925.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Chad Brown will join us at 8 o'clock.
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: Stick around. 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: All right, so we're awaiting this Kale McCarr contract details.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: The reports are the deal is pretty much done. It's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: just we don't know the term nor the money, nothing.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: So we're waiting on that, but Kale seems to be
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: locked in long-term for the Avs. So if you are
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: one of those, I think, few people that are freaking
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: out about this, deep breath.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: It's all fine.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: When are we going to get back into the Bo
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Nix discussion?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: What's what's to discuss. He's not playing Friday night as expected.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: They've seen enough. He's fine. And I'm excited about Bo Nix.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: You may not be. Here's what Peyton said yesterday.
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: We'll see.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, do I talk to you guys tomorrow?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: He probably won't play in this game.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Let's not go through everyone else.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Let's give you a couple more here from Sean Peyton yesterday. Um,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: He's asked who's the backup quarterback and are they going
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to keep three on the roster this year? No, not yet.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Good question.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: If there were like eight roster questions, it's one of
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the eight as you're looking at building your roster.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: Huh? Interesting.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: First of all, interesting that he said good question because
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: if you've noticed something about Sean Payton, if he follows
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: your question with a good question, That means he's been
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: thinking about it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Vic, I love the fact... You're pretty omniscient, Vic. Yeah,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: if he says good question, like he said to DMACC, right?
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: After the game.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: He's been thinking about it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: If he says.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: I appreciate your question, that means it's been on his mind.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: He just ain't going to tell you what you want
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: to know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Is that almost like a teacher asking a question to
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the class and a student gets the answer right and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: it's like a good job? Is that what it is?
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Good job.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he thinks– I don't know that he thinks this,
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: but he probably assumes that all the muggles out there,
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: as DMACC calls them– Are stupid.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Are dummies, right.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: They're dummies, and they're not going to get into his
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: private world. But when somebody brings up something, Vic, you're
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: so correct, that he's really been contemplating– He's like, that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: a good question. I ain't going to tell you, Jack, squat,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: but thank you.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: For asking that question.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That's why I asked that to Schefter earlier in the week.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: It's still on the table. I am not convinced that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: they're going to keep three quarterbacks. I'm not.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: What's interesting, Vic, is that when we have Leggy on–
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Leggy's today, is he not?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Leggy is today.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: And I made a mistake. Chad Brown will start next
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: week with us.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, you got your Leggy's and your Brown's mixed up.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I knew Leggy was coming too.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: So Leggy said, Vic, on multiple occasions– that Ellinger had
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: an opportunity last season to be on an active 53,
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: and he chose to stay with the Broncos on the
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: practice squad and bounce up on game day and so
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: on and so forth for a reason. He chose to
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: stay here, or they convinced him to stay here for
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: a reason. That, to me, sounds like, hey, man, he's
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: got an opportunity to be on the 53 here on
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: a regular basis. I almost feel like, golly, and nobody's
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: going to say this, I almost.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Feel like it's his to lose. It's his backup job
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: to lose.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: You think?
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: He stayed for a reason. Put it in your brain, Vic.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: What was said by Sean Payton to Sam Ellinger last
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: year to convince him to stay with the Denver Broncos
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: on the practice and bounce up and down.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I know exactly what it was. As opposed to go
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: to a 53 someplace else.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Stick around. You might have a chance sooner than you think.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: At the very least. I think that's at the very least. Or, hey, listen,
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: going into next year, dude, we like you. We think
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: you have a good chance to be our backup. No
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: offense to Stiddy. You know, for the right price, too.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: Stick around because we really like you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also a chance maybe you just,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: he thought he was getting really good tutelage underneath a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: very good offensive-minded head coach.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that could be it too, but look, man, if
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: you have a chance to make good money as a
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: backup on a 53, then you usually take that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, if you could be the backup,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it was a bad franchise. Tennessee? Tennessee. Sure, Tennessee. If
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you could be the backup to Cam Ward in Tennessee,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: or you could be the third-string quarterback under Kyle Shanahan
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: or under Sean McVay, there's some value. I think it
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: would be a discussion about if I could learn under
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Shanahan or learn under McVay, who just seem to turn
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: guys into gold.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: No, because you're one play away from being on the
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: field and playing. I would take the frigging backup job
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: any day.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I get it. I'm just saying the opportunity to learn
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: from a master of the craft.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Vic, a 20 spot to you. Who's the backup in Tennessee?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Right now?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Behind Cam Ward.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Will Levis. It is not. It's not Will Levis?
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: On the depth chart, it's officially listed as?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, hang on.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Been around. This guy's been around a little bit.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Case Keenum?
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Not that much around.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: You want me to tell you where he's played before?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. Sonny Jurgensen. Close.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Chicago and Buffalo.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Chicago and Buffalo. Tyrod Taylor. Mitch Trubisky. Mitchie Trubisky.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: That is correct. Good job, Brett.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Where's Will Levis? He's there, too, but he's been relegated
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: to three. Him and his mayonnaise. Look at the big
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: brain on Brett.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, he gave me some help. Yeah, yeah. We
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: could play that game all day, backup quarterback game. That's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a tough game. That's a hard game in the NFL.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: That's not an easy game to play.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Well, they move more than transfer quarterbacks in college football.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: You know what's so funny? My guy, Zach Wilson, has
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: a job, right? When we start talking about Ellingers and
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: Stidhams and whatnot, I go back to my guy.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Zach Wilson. Where's Zach at? Yeah, where is he?
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: He's the third stringer in New Orleans.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: How is.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I know. And this is what breaks my heart. Who's
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the starter with the New Orleans Saints?
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: Shuck. Shuck.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: That's correct. Spencer Rattler's a backup. Yes.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Rattler's right now officially listed as the backup. And my boy,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: pretty boy.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Who has more experience than both of those guys.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: And a better arm, perhaps, than both those guys.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Shuck played really well towards the end of the year.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: No, he did.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Be careful. No, he did.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: And he's got a lot of way to throw to still.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: The Saints were winning football games when he started.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: What? I don't know how the Saints stink. They've got
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Etienne as the running back. They've got Baylor as the third.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Well, they do now.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: They didn't last year.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I know.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, they're going to be maybe pretty decent
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: or at least a 500-football team.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Other defense ain't so great.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: Well, we'll see.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see. So, anyway, we're awaiting the term of this
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: McCarr news. It looks like a deal got done late
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: last night. We just don't know what that deal is yet.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: By the way, who's their backup tight end?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: We can start doing backup tight end games now. In
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: New Orleans?
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, so it's got to be Fant?
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: Yes!
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Noah Fant. Look at the big brain on him.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: It would be a former Bronco. It was either that
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: or like Albert O.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Riley Odoms.
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Let's not. Would you guys allow me 30 seconds?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Don't go over the top today, please.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: Would you allow me 30 seconds? I don't understand how
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: this happens. Were you guys by chance driving around Denver
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: when that microburst hit yesterday?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, dude, I was on the golf course. For over
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: two hours, it was a nightmare.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: On the north side here, on the west side, north side,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: it came in quick. You didn't even see it. Couldn't
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: even see it. One second you're looking up, oh, clear skies.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: The next second, hail and intense rain, like a tropical
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: rain coming through. Anyway, we're on Wadsworth driving north. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: there's the I-70 bridge. Hail started coming down. Little hail,
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: not the big hail.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, traffic comes to a complete stop.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: And I'm talking about a mile of traffic. There's about
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: four or five cars that decided, we're going to wait
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: under the bridge while the hail stops.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And the rest of us behind them are just, you
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: lose musical chairs, you're stuck in the road. Everything stops.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, what is going on? There must be an
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: accident up there.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: No, just a few cars that thought that they were
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: too nice, too good to be exposed to the hail
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: decided to stop under the bridge.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: What kind of punishment should come of that? Get their
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: plate numbers, turn them into the police, or give them
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to me, and I will hog tie them and roll
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: them over the border.
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: Can you believe the selfishness in that?
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty silly, dude.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Vic.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: A lot of times.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Moe, you come across as a guy that would do
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that with your new car. Not a chance in hell.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, if you are driving, it's like
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: if you just go another quarter mile, you aren't in
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: hail anymore.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: And then nobody's in hail.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: I've been caught in hail on my motorcycle before. So yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: if I can get under an underpass, or under an overpass.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I get it, because you're getting physically pelted.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're getting pelted, correct.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Anyway, that's ridiculous.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I just had to raise that. I think those people
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: should be in prison. No, they shouldn't believe it. You
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: know my favorite part about... It's not my favorite part,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: but it's those, you know, there are cyclists and there
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: are wacko cyclists. Yeah. The guys who go through the
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: elements as if the elements don't exist. Yeah. Like I
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: still got to finish my workout. I'm like, what, what
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: are you doing? That's Jesse. That is Jesse. Hey, the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: qualifier for this hour is Brandon Billy. Congratulations to Brandon Billy.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Brandon, you are now in the Rock, Paper, Scissors contest.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It's taking place Tuesday at Rooftop Social in Rhino and
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: a chance to go to the season opener, Denver at KC,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: back after this.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, two first names.