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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha and all good stuff
- 0:07Speaker 1: I've never told you production by Heart Radio, and today
- 0:19Speaker 1: we are bringing back a follow up to my recent
- 0:23Speaker 1: classic follow up on the cemin Roll, in which I
- 0:27Speaker 1: talked about some of the some of the things I
- 0:32Speaker 1: saw after being in the space for a minute and
- 0:36Speaker 1: writing in the space for a minute, and how I
- 0:38Speaker 1: was kind of intrigued by how sad it often was,
- 0:42Speaker 1: even though sinin roll.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Is so nice and wholesome.
- 0:48Speaker 1: So I was just curious about why that is. And
- 0:51Speaker 1: I was doing it too. I'd be like, I'm going
- 0:54Speaker 1: to write a happy story and suddenly I'm crying, and like, why.
- 0:58Speaker 2: You could be happy in a mineral wise is happening?
- 1:03Speaker 3: I think you're saying this as you're writing, in control
- 1:06Speaker 3: of this narrative. Why did I do this to you?
- 1:10Speaker 1: There's one story I wrote and I got to the end,
- 1:13Speaker 1: and at the end you can put an author's note,
- 1:15Speaker 1: and I was like, I really intended for something else
- 1:18Speaker 1: to happen, but I just got to writing and this
- 1:21Speaker 1: is what came out. People were like, you know, sometimes
- 1:24Speaker 1: if you're really channeling a character and they're just gonna
- 1:28Speaker 1: go their own way, like, well, he went his own way. Yes, yeah,
- 1:37Speaker 1: well please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie
- 1:46Speaker 1: and Samantha. I don't put this stuff. I never told
- 1:47Speaker 1: you production of iHeartRadio. It is Thursday, which means it is.
- 2:00Speaker 2: Time for another happy hour.
- 2:03Speaker 1: As always with the ease, drink responsibly if you choose
- 2:06Speaker 1: to do so. For today's drink, it has coffee in it.
- 2:10Speaker 2: And I'm breaking my two cups rule.
- 2:13Speaker 3: So are you're gonna say one of the cups for
- 2:15Speaker 3: this episode?
- 2:16Speaker 2: I was, But I did it. I did it. It's fair.
- 2:23Speaker 3: You do what you need to.
- 2:25Speaker 2: I think it'll be okay.
- 2:26Speaker 1: So, well, today we're talking about cinnamon rolls again, which
- 2:30Speaker 1: you can go and find. I believe it was my
- 2:32Speaker 1: very first happy hour I did. It was about cinnamon rolls,
- 2:35Speaker 1: the troupe where we discussed this drink. But Samantha, do
- 2:38Speaker 1: you want to describe kind of the basics.
- 2:41Speaker 3: Yes, I think we've described it before. But essentially, it
- 2:44Speaker 3: is coffee and you'll get chocolate syrup or hot chocolate powder,
- 2:49Speaker 3: however you want to do it. Mix it in that
- 2:51Speaker 3: hot coffee, add a little dash of cinnamon so the
- 2:54Speaker 3: cinnamon roll part, and then you can use either creamer
- 2:58Speaker 3: Bailey's or not and add that into there, a little
- 3:01Speaker 3: bit of whiskey if you desire to add a little
- 3:03Speaker 3: more punch to it, whipped cream on top, a little
- 3:06Speaker 3: more cinnamon, and there you have any cinnamon roll?
- 3:10Speaker 1: Yes, And I am drinking mine out of the cemon
- 3:13Speaker 1: roll mug Samantha made me, which I adore.
- 3:16Speaker 2: I want to take it with me everywhere, but I'm
- 3:17Speaker 2: also very afraid it will break. So yeah.
- 3:19Speaker 3: Also, it's fifteen ounces, so it's not your regular.
- 3:25Speaker 2: Oh is that more or less?
- 3:28Speaker 3: That's more? Oh wow, coffee cup.
- 3:30Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a good day then.
- 3:32Speaker 3: Right, So I'm like, not only did you add a
- 3:33Speaker 3: little more than your typical m so the three and
- 3:37Speaker 3: then some okay?
- 3:39Speaker 2: Oh no, oh you're fine, It'll be fine. Yes, I
- 3:42Speaker 2: do want to say.
- 3:43Speaker 1: When I was checking out, one of the women asked
- 3:46Speaker 1: me what the whipped cream was for and I said,
- 3:48Speaker 1: you know, it's just I'd like to put it on coffee.
- 3:51Speaker 1: And she acted like I was a genius and was
- 3:55Speaker 1: so excited to try it. And I was like, oh, yeah,
- 3:57Speaker 1: I put it on top coffee, a little cinnamon.
- 3:58Speaker 3: She was like, oh, has she never gone to that
- 4:02Speaker 3: Starbucks over there? They always put cream on coffee. I'm confused.
- 4:06Speaker 2: I think they were just being nice, Samantha.
- 4:09Speaker 3: Also why she was asking you about web cream? What
- 4:11Speaker 3: that was super personal?
- 4:12Speaker 2: And be like, I have a date, it's a activity.
- 4:17Speaker 3: I have a friend coming over. That's all you say.
- 4:20Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't looking to mess with the kind
- 4:22Speaker 1: woman checking me out, But I see where your head goes.
- 4:29Speaker 3: I'm just saying, that's such a weird question. I guess
- 4:31Speaker 3: maybe they're just being nice, but like, still, you're like,
- 4:34Speaker 3: why you never know what you're gonna get with things
- 4:36Speaker 3: like a whipped cream?
- 4:39Speaker 2: That's true, she thought it was pie, so, you know,
- 4:43Speaker 2: pretty innocent. Innocent. Speaking of innocent, what we're.
- 4:49Speaker 1: Talking about today is we're revisiting the idea of cinnamon
- 4:53Speaker 1: rules again because I've been thinking a lot about this
- 4:58Speaker 1: this topic because obvious, I love cinnamon rolls, which is
- 5:01Speaker 1: the trope, which is essentially someone who's really innocent, who's
- 5:03Speaker 1: really sweet, really bright, like a light a damn sweetheart,
- 5:07Speaker 1: as I like to say. And I also like reading
- 5:09Speaker 1: terribly sad things about them and also writing terribly sad
- 5:14Speaker 1: things happening to them, and I keep finding myself shouting
- 5:19Speaker 1: you can be happy, Cinnamon.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Roll, let y'rself be happy.
- 5:24Speaker 1: And once again I find that that says something about
- 5:27Speaker 1: my self trauma and self esteem and particularly in this case,
- 5:30Speaker 1: happiness and Samantha knows like you, along with a bunch
- 5:33Speaker 1: of my other friends, have been getting my fan fiction updates,
- 5:37Speaker 1: and this one in particular, where it's just like wrecking
- 5:40Speaker 1: me so sad.
- 5:41Speaker 3: And the author it sounds like.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Yes. And I recently had one update where the author
- 5:49Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna split this chapter in half because
- 5:52Speaker 1: it's so sad and you're gonna want to take a
- 5:53Speaker 1: break in the middle, and I was like, dang, true. Correct,
- 5:59Speaker 1: But I've been thinking about this whole idea for me
- 6:03Speaker 1: when a lot of times in these stories and when
- 6:07Speaker 1: I write them, and I think when I would describe
- 6:10Speaker 1: them to you, you'd probably think that doesn't sound as
- 6:13Speaker 1: sad as what you've been making it out to be,
- 6:16Speaker 1: because it is really really sad, but it's not like
- 6:20Speaker 1: the level of crying I have done. And I think
- 6:22Speaker 1: part of that is it's something I really connect to
- 6:25Speaker 1: where the cinnamon role doesn't feel like they deserve.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Happiness or that they are worthy.
- 6:33Speaker 1: Of happiness, and there's something about that level of insecurity
- 6:39Speaker 1: and low self esteem that I just connect to you
- 6:42Speaker 1: really strongly, and I find absolutely heartbreaking. And I think
- 6:47Speaker 1: there is a level two of selflessness. I get selfish
- 6:50Speaker 1: to think of your own happiness, and we've talked about
- 6:53Speaker 1: how that's often weaponized against women in particular and especially
- 6:56Speaker 1: when it comes to raising children. That's something that comes
- 7:00Speaker 1: up in a lot of these two of like a
- 7:04Speaker 1: key trade of the Cinnamon role is they are selfless.
- 7:09Speaker 1: But then when they do want something for themselves, when
- 7:12Speaker 1: I want them like you can be happy, they think
- 7:15Speaker 1: that that's bad or wrong and they don't deserve it,
- 7:18Speaker 1: and they'll feel guilty about being happy about like staying
- 7:22Speaker 1: in one place allowing themselves to have happiness. And this
- 7:25Speaker 1: is my favorite kind of tragedy, even though it makes
- 7:27Speaker 1: me so sad, is when you could be happy, but
- 7:31Speaker 1: you get in your own way, or you believe you
- 7:33Speaker 1: don't deserve it, and even though people are trying to
- 7:35Speaker 1: build you up and support you and giving you all
- 7:37Speaker 1: these options, you don't choose them because you don't think
- 7:41Speaker 1: you deserve it. And that's the fan fiction that I've
- 7:44Speaker 1: written that I've talked about. My Quarantine baby is five
- 7:47Speaker 1: hundred plus pages. That's essentially how it ends, as like
- 7:49Speaker 1: this really tragic, deciding that it would be better for
- 7:54Speaker 1: yourself to suffer for like ever essentially to help other
- 7:58Speaker 1: people as opposed to letting yourself be happy. But yeah,
- 8:04Speaker 1: and this whole idea of like people feeling that people
- 8:07Speaker 1: are better off without you, that you want to shrink
- 8:11Speaker 1: and not bother anybody I've talked about That's how I
- 8:14Speaker 1: have operated, and I've like almost lost friendships over it
- 8:17Speaker 1: because people have misinterpreted it. And also it can be
- 8:21Speaker 1: very selfish because you're not thinking about what the other
- 8:23Speaker 1: person wants, or you don't believe them when they say
- 8:28Speaker 1: that they want to hang out with you or that
- 8:31Speaker 1: they want you in your lives can be hard, Like
- 8:34Speaker 1: we talked about that a lot too, for any marginalized person,
- 8:38Speaker 1: it can be hard to tell yourself that you have
- 8:41Speaker 1: self worth when there's so many things telling you.
- 8:44Speaker 2: That you have no value.
- 8:46Speaker 1: And also like this whole idea of can you be
- 8:50Speaker 1: happy alone and if you are, what does that say?
- 8:54Speaker 1: And feeling like you need someone to validate you and
- 8:56Speaker 1: your happiness, your existence, your legitimacy, Like.
- 9:00Speaker 2: That's not good either. But I just find it interesting.
- 9:05Speaker 1: That that's what I've been connecting to so strongly, and
- 9:09Speaker 1: I feel like I'm almost on a precipice smit. I
- 9:11Speaker 1: feel like I like I'm at a part of healing
- 9:16Speaker 1: because I do I want this fictional person to be happy.
- 9:23Speaker 1: And I think that, like we talked about in the
- 9:25Speaker 1: original Cinnamon role one, that's one of the things I
- 9:28Speaker 1: think for me, at least, the connection to trauma is
- 9:32Speaker 1: this fictional person is much easier in a lot of
- 9:34Speaker 1: ways to connect to you and to feel bad forward,
- 9:38Speaker 1: to feel like it's not their fault or x what
- 9:40Speaker 1: like this strong person went through this and it wasn't
- 9:44Speaker 1: I don't think it's their fault.
- 9:45Speaker 2: Then it wasn't my fault either. And so like me
- 9:47Speaker 2: shouting at.
- 9:47Speaker 1: My computer, let yourself be happy, cinemoal, you can be happy.
- 9:51Speaker 2: It does feel like a step I've made, a step up.
- 9:57Speaker 2: I think.
- 9:59Speaker 3: I think it's funny because perhaps this is just like
- 10:02Speaker 3: owning your own self and having a moment of self reflection,
- 10:05Speaker 3: of being able to root for that when before you
- 10:08Speaker 3: were just like this is dethlate, it's not gonna happen.
- 10:11Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, yeah, And I mean that's the saddest part
- 10:17Speaker 1: for me of a lot of this is.
- 10:21Speaker 2: That being as a reader or as.
- 10:25Speaker 1: A writer in some case like it's cruel, but it's
- 10:29Speaker 1: almost like you think you could be happy, Well you're
- 10:31Speaker 1: not gonna be happy in the end. Yeah, which is terrible,
- 10:35Speaker 1: but that is like my favorite type of tragedy, which
- 10:37Speaker 1: I know is weird to have a favorite type, but
- 10:39Speaker 1: that is. But yeah, and there's this kind of whole
- 10:46Speaker 1: idea of being afraid of your own happiness and letting
- 10:48Speaker 1: yourself be happy. You've talked about the comparison game, and
- 10:51Speaker 1: I feel like, especially over the past few years that
- 10:54Speaker 1: have been so tough and dark, it is it is hard.
- 10:58Speaker 1: It feels wrong to be happy, right, or to let
- 11:02Speaker 1: yourself be happy right.
- 11:04Speaker 3: There's definitely guilt and being like, oh everything is okay.
- 11:08Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this before when my friends
- 11:10Speaker 3: were all in upheaval and then I'm okay. It doesn't
- 11:13Speaker 3: feel natural, right because A I'm typically the one in crisis,
- 11:18Speaker 3: or B being okay when everybody else is down doesn't
- 11:22Speaker 3: feel like I'm being supportive for sure.
- 11:25Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 11:26Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an odd aspect of human nature.
- 11:43Speaker 2: It makes sense, especially when you're an empathetic person.
- 11:48Speaker 1: That feeling happy or feeling okay when other people aren't
- 11:53Speaker 1: does somehow feel like selfish or guilty or wrong when
- 11:58Speaker 1: it shouldn't, especially if you you're helping and supporting in
- 12:01Speaker 1: ways that you can. But yeah, that's that I feel.
- 12:07Speaker 1: It's something I still struggle with, and I'll almost like,
- 12:12Speaker 1: if I catch myself feeling happy, I'll come up with
- 12:15Speaker 1: reasons not to be happy sometimes or or just feel
- 12:21Speaker 1: like an extreme amount of guilt about it, And especially
- 12:26Speaker 1: because I do live alone, and I'll just get my
- 12:31Speaker 1: head about, like what is any of my existence even made.
- 12:39Speaker 2: It feels weird.
- 12:40Speaker 1: Something else that we've discussed before is especially I can't
- 12:45Speaker 1: speak for other cultures, but especially in the United States,
- 12:47Speaker 1: I feel like there is an air of.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Like being happy.
- 12:52Speaker 1: I don't know how to word it exactly, but it's
- 12:56Speaker 1: you should always be striving for more, like you're never
- 12:58Speaker 1: going to be happy with what youpp you should always
- 13:00Speaker 1: be pushing for more.
- 13:02Speaker 2: And if you're happy, that's almost.
- 13:03Speaker 1: Like a weak thing, like a weakness, like we know
- 13:07Speaker 1: we kind of have glorified pain and suffering or working
- 13:11Speaker 1: or always being stressed in an odd way, like kind
- 13:14Speaker 1: of going back to that whole workaholic thing or never
- 13:15Speaker 1: taking a vacation. Here in the US, it's like we've
- 13:19Speaker 1: turned happiness into or admitting you need these spaces to
- 13:24Speaker 1: be happy into a weak thing, right.
- 13:28Speaker 3: Contentment is not okay. That means you've given up.
- 13:31Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and you can't really talk about it, or
- 13:35Speaker 1: if you do, usually it's in terms of like something
- 13:38Speaker 1: you've accomplished, which is absolutely something to be happy about
- 13:40Speaker 1: and be pleased with.
- 13:41Speaker 2: But I feel like that's sort of the one area.
- 13:43Speaker 1: And even then sometimes people will be like, well, she's
- 13:47Speaker 1: bragging or XYZ shouldn't have been talking about this, and
- 13:52Speaker 1: oh gosh, it's happiness.
- 13:54Speaker 2: Shouldn't be so complicated that it is in a lot
- 13:57Speaker 2: of ways.
- 13:58Speaker 3: Of course, there's also the there's a difference between happiness
- 14:02Speaker 3: and contentment and faking it, yeah, and or trying to
- 14:07Speaker 3: outdo someone and outshine someone. There's always that too, that
- 14:11Speaker 3: level of also reading the room.
- 14:15Speaker 2: Yes, that's very important, but it's absolutely true. Very good point,
- 14:22Speaker 2: very very good point.
- 14:24Speaker 1: And I think again, during our really like time of
- 14:29Speaker 1: being just massive upheaval where we're all more connected than ever,
- 14:34Speaker 1: that can be harder than ever as well, because I'll
- 14:37Speaker 1: just gip my head about like I feel like I
- 14:40Speaker 1: can't post anything on social media because there's so much suffering,
- 14:45Speaker 1: which again, there is a difference between like reading the
- 14:49Speaker 1: room and just shutting down completely, right, But yeah, that's
- 14:54Speaker 1: definitely important to this whole thing. And also, you know,
- 14:57Speaker 1: happiness looks different for different people, and and finding out
- 15:00Speaker 1: what that means to you can just be a whole thing.
- 15:03Speaker 1: And especially you know, as I've gone through like how
- 15:05Speaker 1: do I identify sexually and what does like my being
- 15:12Speaker 1: happy in a relationship or not being in a relationship
- 15:14Speaker 1: looks like, and all of that stuff, I've been thinking
- 15:16Speaker 1: about it. And you can't be happy all the time,
- 15:18Speaker 1: of course, but it's this idea that I've been like
- 15:24Speaker 1: too afraid to even let myself believe that's an option
- 15:28Speaker 1: to be happy, and then the idea that maybe I
- 15:32Speaker 1: could be but I'm just too afraid to do it
- 15:36Speaker 1: or too afraid to fight for it or whatever it is.
- 15:38Speaker 2: And I'm making it sound like I'm miserable all the time.
- 15:40Speaker 1: But this is kind of what has been going through
- 15:43Speaker 1: my head as I'm like reading these stories and connecting
- 15:45Speaker 1: with them so hard and trying to figure out why
- 15:47Speaker 1: I'm connecting with them so hard, and why this is
- 15:48Speaker 1: what I write is that the people that I write
- 15:51Speaker 1: consistently don't let themselves be happy and don't choose happiness.
- 15:55Speaker 1: And so I've just been trying to work through why
- 15:57Speaker 1: that is and why that does restate with me so much.
- 16:02Speaker 2: And I think I think that's good to think about.
- 16:07Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have been thinking
- 16:09Speaker 1: about what happiness really means to them instead of like
- 16:11Speaker 1: what they think it should be, what they think it
- 16:14Speaker 1: should look like. And obviously, again with the whole cinnamon
- 16:18Speaker 1: roll trope, I personally do think a lot of trauma
- 16:21Speaker 1: is involved in that whole thing.
- 16:23Speaker 2: And the idea is almost like they.
- 16:28Speaker 1: Go through all this stuff and yet they are still
- 16:31Speaker 1: this beautiful, bright, happy whatever, whatever, whatever. But this is
- 16:35Speaker 1: the one area where they can't. The trauma shines is
- 16:38Speaker 1: that they have low self worth. They can't be they
- 16:42Speaker 1: can't allow themselves to be quote unquote selfish or to
- 16:46Speaker 1: choose something for them that they want that would make
- 16:49Speaker 1: them happy because they think they don't deserve it, because
- 16:52Speaker 1: they haven't done enough, or.
- 16:53Speaker 2: Whatever it is anyway.
- 16:58Speaker 3: Not I mean, they could be necessarily about you, but
- 17:01Speaker 3: for a lot of people it could be also the
- 17:02Speaker 3: difference in seeing themselves in a more dramatic manner than
- 17:05Speaker 3: it is the reality. And so this was like, yes,
- 17:08Speaker 3: this is me even though it's really not you, but
- 17:11Speaker 3: it could be had you been in this fantasy life.
- 17:14Speaker 3: But also being that if you have a sadder, more
- 17:19Speaker 3: disposition that if you want to be a main character,
- 17:22Speaker 3: this would be the main character that you see yourself being.
- 17:25Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of reflection on that. Also
- 17:28Speaker 3: to note, for those of you who go into friendships
- 17:31Speaker 3: and relationships who for the most part feel guilty about
- 17:35Speaker 3: being happy, there could be something to be said about
- 17:38Speaker 3: the relationships you're having in that if they're not celebrating
- 17:41Speaker 3: with you, there's something wrong. There's a thing to be
- 17:44Speaker 3: able to, yes, commiserate together, but they should be able
- 17:48Speaker 3: to celebrate with you as well, So there should be
- 17:50Speaker 3: an even stead even with the worst parts of your day,
- 17:54Speaker 3: you should be able to celebrate something. There's something to
- 17:56Speaker 3: be said to have someone in your corner who see
- 18:00Speaker 3: you and backs you and is able to encourage you
- 18:04Speaker 3: even in the worst parts of the day. So there's
- 18:06Speaker 3: a lot to everything to that. If you only have
- 18:09Speaker 3: friendships that only make you feel guilty for being happy.
- 18:13Speaker 3: There's something wrong with that friendship, Yes, just to put
- 18:16Speaker 3: that out there.
- 18:17Speaker 1: For sure, And I think, I mean most of what
- 18:19Speaker 1: I'm talking about is more of what I the hole
- 18:22Speaker 1: you are not allowed, Like the person in the relationship
- 18:24Speaker 1: is like, let me help you, and you're like no,
- 18:26Speaker 1: because I don't deserve it. Right, But yes, Also if
- 18:30Speaker 1: you do make that space and the other person is
- 18:33Speaker 1: making you feel guilty, then that's the different thing.
- 18:36Speaker 2: Not healthy.
- 18:36Speaker 1: I mean, neither one is good, right, like right, you
- 18:39Speaker 1: need to figure out where that is.
- 18:41Speaker 3: I think I think more of that on social media,
- 18:43Speaker 3: where it's constantly how dare you?
- 18:46Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 18:47Speaker 3: Yeah, that becomes a toxic level of like, but it's nice.
- 18:51Speaker 3: It's okay to have a moment of niceness, whether it's
- 18:54Speaker 3: you got to sit by yourself and sure, yeah, we
- 18:57Speaker 3: don't necessarily need the Kim Kardashian renting out island during
- 19:00Speaker 3: the pandemic, be like, look at how happy I am.
- 19:02Speaker 3: We don't. That's not reading the room. That's a different
- 19:06Speaker 3: level saying I'm with someone and we're happy and we're
- 19:09Speaker 3: content baking of bread. That's not a bad thing, right.
- 19:13Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean find happiness where you can that
- 19:18Speaker 1: doesn't hurt other people and its healthy absolutely, but as
- 19:22Speaker 1: Samantha knows, we're about to embark on a tragedy.
- 19:26Speaker 2: Comfort there we go. This is like.
- 19:31Speaker 1: My favorite, my favorite thing obviously in the fiction realm,
- 19:34Speaker 1: not in the real world.
- 19:35Speaker 2: But I have been telling people about.
- 19:37Speaker 1: It and they're like, what what are you doing. Basically,
- 19:41Speaker 1: We're going to watch a bunch of sad things and
- 19:42Speaker 1: eat a lot of soup. So we're gonna be sad
- 19:44Speaker 1: and then.
- 19:44Speaker 3: Comforted lots of soup. People.
- 19:47Speaker 1: I love soup, so I'm very excited. Well listeners, As always,
- 19:52Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you. Cheers, kills, happy
- 19:56Speaker 1: happy hour. If you would like to email us, you
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