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S2 E5: Anakin Skywalker and Captain Rex's Relationship · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's most things Kenobi and don't try it Anakin.
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We always. Have the high ground.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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This episode we are discussing the adorable, the odd, the
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respectable relationship between Anakin and Captain Rex.
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Yes. What did you use to describe it
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last week? Oh, my gosh, She's an adjective.
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And one of our patrons was like, I think Rex would not be happy
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with that. It's like, yeah, but it's true.
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I don't know. I don't remember what I said.
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Oh crap. Now I have to go back and think,
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look, listen to it and try and remember.
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It was. I can't remember if it was like
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chaotic or whatever it was, but either way it was an accurate
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description. They're definitely chaotic, but
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we love them for it. I, you know, it's interesting
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because we had just spoken about in in some ways the Cody and Obi
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Wan relationship and it's a little bit more stoic and, and
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like professional compared to. Yeah, yeah.
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And if there's if there's little sassy exchanges, it's very small
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and like understated. Very controlled.
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Yeah. It doesn't spiral.
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Which is the opposite. Yeah, yeah, I, I think majority
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of people, I don't know a single person who doesn't like Rex.
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You know, everyone likes him in one manner or another.
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Some aspect of Rex people love and have grown to love him over
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the years and his various appearances as Star Wars media
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continues. Even after Anakin is removed
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from the picture, Rex stands on his own.
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But before any of that there was Anakin and Rex and and Ahsoka.
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Of course, like Ahsoka and Rex are a whole other chaotic, but I
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actually really love their relationship.
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It's it's sweet. I do too.
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It develops into something I think that's very deeply
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meaningful, especially after season 7.
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How do you go through that and not make like a deep trauma bond
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with with each other? And their hug in in Rebels is
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just love it. So wonderful.
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I don't know, I just love all of it, but.
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Yeah. Anakin and Rex.
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Do you think Rex had? I don't remember, but do you
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think he'll show up in the season 2 of Ahsoka?
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God, I wish. He's got to write when?
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I mean they're showing the ghost crew and Rex is not officially
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part of their crew but he's work with them so that would be so
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awesome. I really, really hope so.
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I really do. Even just to see Tim with a
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shaved or somewhat shaved head like in the Rex, the Rex way of
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things, you know? Yeah, Oh my God, I'd love how
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Rex is really sassy. He actually is quite sassy.
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If you. Yes.
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Deep dive back into his Clone Wars stuff.
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Even season 1 there was some reference where I think it's
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season 1 where they're dealing with the the rookies on the
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outpost, I think. I think that's this episode.
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Oh it is 'cause he, he pretends to be one of the droids,
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remember? And he like holds the the head
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up to the camera and he's. I just love that they gave him a
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bit of a sense of humor cause all the clones have their own
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personalities. But Rex to me is funny but warm,
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but also a total fucking badass. Absolutely.
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I I And that's the reason why I think he works so well with
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Anakin, because before any of Anakin's fall, he's also sassy,
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light hearted, warm, affectionate in a way that he
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knows like, and it works really well with Rex.
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And I think they found a common ground.
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I mean my favorite Anakin Rex moment is in the Point Rain
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series of episodes where they're on top of that wall, him and
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Anakin Anakin in Ahsoka and they just throw him over and control
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dive down and then. I wanted to ask you about that
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moment. It's kind of a weirdly
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controversial moment. I I hadn't ever thought of it
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that way. But then if you go on Tumblr,
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you know, because Tumblr is full of outrage, OK.
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People were saying that that was terrible for Anakin to do that
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to Rex, it was like, violating body autonomy, throwing him off
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a wall without asking his permission first, like taking
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it. Well, no account of whether or
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not that would scare Rex. And are we overthinking a
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cartoon here? Maybe, yes.
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Yeah. But still, I'm curious what you
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think about it. Well, I see both sides.
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I see. OK, We have to remember that
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this is war. They're there to different
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decisions are made, right? And I can see where Anakin's
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coming from, like with not asking him.
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Because if you give, if you know your subject and you give them a
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minute to think about it, they're going to say no.
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And then you'll disregard that choice and throw them over
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anyway. So might as well just wipe that
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part out and throw them over anyway.
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You're going to be. He's going to be OK.
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Anakin would never put him in harm's way.
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Yeah. So there's a level of trust
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there, perhaps still developing, but it's still there.
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That was one of those moments where they created some trust, I
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guess. Right.
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But I mean, Ahsoka also went over the edge like it it was
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necessary in order for this to take place, like for them to be
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safe or whatever. But in any other circumstance, I
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would say yeah, give the person a choice please.
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And I feel like Anakin's motto is asked forgiveness, not
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permission. Yeah, exactly.
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Which should come as no surprise to anyone in his near vicinity
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or under his command. That was kind of the thing about
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Anakin and Rex. It was well at Skywalker, you
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know, Is Skywalker leading us? OK, well, get ready.
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You know, it became a a bit of a reputation, if you will.
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I agree. Yeah, I also think that both
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Anakin and Obi Wan wouldn't ask their soldiers to do anything
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that they wouldn't do themselves.
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However, Anakin's measurement of what's acceptable is way
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different. The baseline there is far
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adjusted compared to Obi Wan but also at this time had Anakin not
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turned I think he would have grown up and eventually stopped
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that. You know what I mean?
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Like there were more yeah there would have been more Obi Wan
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influence there. I mean cuz look at Ahsoka, she
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also mellowed out. Remember the time where she
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would not listen to Obi Wan's commands?
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She was out fighting and she disregarded his commands.
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I don't think she would do that in the here and now.
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You know? So a lot of it can be attributed
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to to youth. Yeah, I I definitely agree.
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It's it's interesting though. I feel like we see more moments
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where Ahsoka grows than Anakin growing.
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I feel like Anakin is obviously changing.
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He definitely, and even Matt Lanter said that he changed
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specifically the way he used his voice.
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As Anakin got older, he deepened his voice with calmer.
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But we see Ahsoka learning lessons and changing and I feel
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like Anakin is more resistant sometimes.
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He is more certain that he's right and.
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Well I was going to say he becomes more arrogant as he gets
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older. Yeah, yeah.
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Which effectively halts growth. Right, That's a great point.
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I see. Though at the same time, Rex,
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Rex grows too, but he grows more like how do we, how do I
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describe it? Like he becomes a more
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independent thinker, you know what I mean?
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In I think he's at season 2 where he meets Cut Laquaine.
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Is that his name? Cut Laquaine, Which one's that?
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The guy who was a trooper and basically.
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Got married and. Had when?
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When he Well, yeah, and had a family.
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He went off the grid. He's the one that went to Alaska
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and lived off the grid. I don't blame.
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Him. He's in Bad Batch later and
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helps Rex. Later, I think I I knew that.
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Yeah, yeah. That's nice.
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But in that episode he is challenging Rex a lot about his
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ideals with being a clone first of all and serving because
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they're told to serve without a choice to serve.
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And Rex keeps saying no. I'm like, I I would still choose
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this even if I was given a choice.
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And then later when you see him in the Umbara arc, that's where
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you see Rex really having to stand by his own ideas, whether
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or not he's being told something.
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Like, I was like, what is his name?
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But then I remembered, fuck Pong Krell.
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Fuck Pong. Krell bitch.
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Help me remember the name. Go to hell pong you and all your
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7 waddling chins fucker. Oh my God, no.
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It's good. But Punkrel is challenging Rex a
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lot because he's not only an authority figure, he's a Jedi,
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and Rex has to decide for his men and for himself.
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That is such a great arc. We should do it someday on this
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show. It's just really heavy.
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It is heavy. There'll be a lot of cursing in
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my part, but I find it interesting that whole thing,
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this really, that arc defines Rex because Anakin is removed
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right away from the situation, which if we ever do a deep dive
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into this arc that I want to talk about why he was removed,
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how he was removed, why he left all this stuff.
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Like that's interesting. But Rex, I would follow him no
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questions asked based on his behavior in those episodes.
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I feel for those clones so much. I think we all do.
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It's just a terrible and a real life play out of of a situation.
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But what's interesting about that is that pawn Crail is
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obviously larger, taller, higher in rank, everything else and Rex
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stands his ground. And I think had Anakin not gone
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the way he did, he would have been like that as a as a leader,
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he was already showing signs that he could be.
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He went his own way, but that usually worked out like it
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usually he he did what he believed in.
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It was tarnished a little bit. I have to say everything with a
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caveat because it's Anakin, but like the leader part, yeah, the
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leader part of Anakin, him and Rex are, are very similar.
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But Rex has that. He has that clone, duh, 'cause
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he's a clone, but he has that clone respectability of like,
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they will fight and stand and believe in everything.
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And that's the thing that never wavers with Rex.
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Never. He's loyal, doesn't matter who
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it's to. Yeah.
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And it's really important. Do you think he stepped into
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that more because he saw Anakin doing it all the time or do you
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think like especially in in Barra specifically, do you think
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that was just how Rex is? I think it's just how Rex is.
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But I do think, I mean, there's, this is what I wanted to talk
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about too. There's the moments where he
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questionably knows about Padme and Anakin.
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And that's a different type of loyalty because that could be, I
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mean, we talked about it with Obi Wan too.
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Everyone kind of knew, but nobody said anything and kind of
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let it go. Yeah.
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That was where I I think like it made Rex a little uncomfortable,
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but he wasn't going to betray a friend.
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So there's a friend aspect there.
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Like he respected Anakin and like, I don't know, there's a
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weird thing about did the clones have crushes?
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Like like how did that work? Did he understand?
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I, I, I don't want to belittle the clones by asking that
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question, but we really don't see that side of them.
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They loved each other like brothers, but there's no
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romantic like where they, I hate to say this, were they bred that
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way? I don't know, because like,
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technically they're they're only like 7 years old when they're
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like, so this this territory gets really sticky if you get
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into it because they are adults, because they're they're quote,
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UN quote, designed by the Caminoans to develop faster.
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But but that's what does that mean?
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Yeah. You know, like there is no real
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answer to that. I don't know.
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I don't know. But I do feel like that was
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Anakin not being a good friend to Rex.
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No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no. It was reversed.
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That was selfish on Anakin's part, expecting way too much of
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everybody, way too much. But they on the other side, they
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still gave it to him. So I do think that that's why
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Rex is just Rex, because I don't know if Cody would have felt.
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I don't know if Cody would have gone for this shit.
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Maybe like one time and then after that Cody be like, we're
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not doing this anymore. But no, Rex is super loyal to
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Anakin. Anakin knows that.
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Anakin takes advantage of that. Not good.
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It's not fair to keep putting a friend in that situation over
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and over. And Rex Stevens.
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In. Season 7, he's like, we don't
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have time for that, Sir. And Anakin's like we're making
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time for it just so he can go have a phone call with his his
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secret wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's
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actually pretty fucked, but. It is kind of like it's funny
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they they use it as a bit of Comic Relief between Anakin and
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Rex and then Anakin and Obi Wan when Obi Wan's like, I hope you
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told Padme I said hello. But they're like Obi Wan and Rex
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are actually enabling Anakin at the same time.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we know Obi Wan's feelings
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on it, right? There's a lot of depth there.
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There's a lot of drama, there's a lot of etcetera.
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That's why I was like, does Rex understand there's just deeper
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layers with Obi Wan always, as usual.
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Not saying that Rex is in deep, but you know what I mean?
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There's all kinds of shit there with Obi Wan but.
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Yeah. I I don't know, do you think Rex
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is just Rex or did he have influence from it?
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It's hard to say that he didn't have influence from Anakin, but
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he is his own person. I think that, I mean, that's
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going to happen no matter who you are.
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The people you are around will impact you somehow in some form.
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I don't know. When you see Anakin, Ahsoka and
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Rex, they kind of grow together into this amalgamation, and it's
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interesting to see how they all change and change in a way that
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makes them all fit together like a puzzle really well.
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And that does end up serving Ahsoka and Rex really well in
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the future. Anakin, because everyone was
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kind of enabling him and turning a blind eye to his really red
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flag warning signs. Yeah.
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As we've. I think we even did an episode,
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didn't we? Yeah.
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I was just thinking of it. It's so good.
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Go back and listen to that one. If you've never heard it, it's a
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good one. Yeah, so the fact that they're
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always turning a blind eye to that made it more and more
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possible for him to become arrogant and to have the, yeah,
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the Super sad stuff happened later.
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Yeah, I do think that Rex was, I think there was more influence
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between Rex and Ahsoka than there was Anakin and Rex, which
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is interesting because we're actually talking about Anakin
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and Rex. But we've we said we can't not
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talk about Ahsoka being a part of this.
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And their story continues. And it's like their leader
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bailed, their leader left them. And that leaves those two
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subjects in a difficult and fascinating position.
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How do we go on, even though they didn't know at the time
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when they were forced to move on?
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Right. Do we know if Rex ever found
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out? I was just going to ask you
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that. Oh, twins.
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We don't have a script for this, folks.
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We just talk. I mean, we know that Ahsoka has
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that moment in Rebels. Yeah.
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At first she feels him kind of like something familiar when
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they're flying near each other, I believe.
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And then when they're fighting, she knows for sure what
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happened, that that is what happened to Anakin.
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I don't remember Rebels well enough.
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I know we have some listeners to Kevin.
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Can you help me out here? Yeah, I don't remember if
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there's a moment where Rex finds out, and I would assume it would
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be Ahsoka telling him, because how else would he?
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Know how could what would that conversate that would be a great
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if it hasn't. I don't think it's happened.
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I really don't because it's hard for me to remember Rebels too
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because it's been so long since I've watched like it through.
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But I don't think but they should talk if that ever if Rex
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I'm stumbling over my words. If Rex ever shows up in the
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Ahsoka series, that could be a conversation.
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Especially since she's just had a moment with yes, force ghost
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Anakin. That could be really good story
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building, character furthering, etcetera.
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Yeah. Doesn't Rex run by in that
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episode? Like when in her memory or
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whatever? Yeah, I thought so.
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Yeah. Or they at least put his voice.
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Yeah, go. It's him.
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His helmet was there. It was this.
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Specific. Okay.
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Yeah. I've only watched it once, I
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need to go back and watch it again.
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Ma'am, once. Yeah, sorry.
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I know, ma'am. Don't come for me.
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I know, I'm sorry. It was OK, I mean that episode
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was fucking awesome, but like the show was.
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I had a whole I had a whole stroke, heart attack and
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cardiac, full cardiac arrest. We have your recording of you
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screaming as. We know.
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Sorry. Oh my God, I will watch it again
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if there's ever. Going to be as whatever you
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want. I'm just, I'm just being a troll
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over here. Well, I I'm that person who like
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we got it and I still wish it was Obi Wan instead.
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So I'm. Sorry listen I was waiting for
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Obi Wan to run by and he never did and I'm still not OK with
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it. So I'm with you, I am with you.
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It would have taken 2 seconds. It would have killed all of us
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though. Like we'd have died and Disney
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would have had no more fans to pay for their features so.
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They'd still be trying to resuscitate half of us.
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Who's going to watch Andor try harder resuscitate?
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Well, I'll come back from the dead to watch Andor.
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I'll do that. Hell yeah.
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And then I'll die again. She is risen anyway.
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Sorry, you were saying? I have these like guilty
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pleasure conversations I really wished we could have.
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I want to see Rex find out about Anakin and we did finally see
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Obi Wan find out about Anakin as Vader.
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That was great. I want to see Obi Wan figuring
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out something about Cody. I don't know but we never
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addressed that. Like I know when revenge of this
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has happened, Clone wars didn't exist yet but we got how many
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fucking seasons of Obi Wan and Cody becoming this awesome team.
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Cody shoots him off a wall. Yeah.
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And we've never, ever come back to that ever again.
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The friendship is just never mentioned.
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And that's that. It's like.
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What? I want to also know about Rex
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and Cody. I know, I know.
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I really love the whole final Mandalore arc in season 7.
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It's very hard to watch. It makes me very sad.
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It does. It's heavy.
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It's really heavy. It's really heavy, but it's very
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excellent. And the whole thing with Ahsoka
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saving Rex and, you know, she gets to say the I am one with
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the Force, the Force is with me or whatever and like, takes the
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chip out of Rex's head or fries at whatever they do, I don't
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remember. But like, that whole sequence is
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incredible. And I'm really glad they did
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that and rescued Rex and didn't let him become the thing he
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would have despised, you know? Yeah, I don't I it killed.
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Him Cody did become that thing like.
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I know. We need more.
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We do. We need that conversation would
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be hard to watch. I would cry.
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Yeah. Like it's two sides.
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Yeah, exactly. It would be as painful.
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It's almost like Obi Wan and Anakin.
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Yeah. It's two sides of one coin.
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You become the thing you promised you wouldn't.
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Yeah. That element and it's, that's
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very sad. That's what makes Ahsoka and Rex
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so unique. Yes.
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They fought through that, literally and figuratively,
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yeah. And they were faced with kind of
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their worst case scenarios, especially in that season 7.
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Yeah. He was telling her they're going
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to kill you so we only have the choice of fighting.
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That means he has to kill his brothers.
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And she's being faced with turning against the people who
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have supported her and and like 4 episodes ago had painted their
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helmets to look like her. And she has to say I'm not going
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to hurt anyone. We're going to have to find
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another way. Like the whole heaviness of all
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that is classic Star Wars, and I really is so much.
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Well, it's so symbolic too. It's not a slow thing.
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They literally flip a switch and they're different than what
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you've always known. That is traumatizing.
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You don't have time to think or reason through it.
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And that goes for Rex as well. So they have to make a game time
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decision and that the conversation of they are not the
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people we know. They are not the person that we
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knew Anakin. That erases any loyalty, any
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prior love or affection or respect that was there.
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And you have to move forward with that.
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And that is tough. I can't do that.
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So when faced with a decision like that, it might be easier
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but to be left afterwards, like when they they put the helmets
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up, they fall to that ice planet and.
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You literally just got goosebumps, Yeah.
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Like the graveyard of helmets that is so symbolic of
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everything that changed. That's it.
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A part of them died. A part of their past is dead.
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It's fucked and it's beautiful. Yeah, Star Wars is pain.
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But like, Rex never changed. He went forward with heaviness
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in his heart, but he stayed true to himself, which is something
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that Anakin can't say until fucking Luke shows up.
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But like, you know what I mean? Like there's, there's always.
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I respect the hell out of Rex. Bottom line.
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Yeah. And as we're talking about this,
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it's just kind of making me see Anakin is a ripple effect of
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pain, like he's terrible, passed his trauma on to Padme, who he
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killed, I guess. And then by default, Luke and
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Leia carrying this like deep soul wound without even knowing
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where it comes from. Ahsoka, Rex, I'll be 1 like
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this. It just spreads into these
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people's lives where after Anakin turns or disappears or
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whatever to them because I guess some of them thought he just
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died in Order 66. Yeah.
26:05
There's all these people trying to deal with an extreme amount
26:10
of trauma and pain, all while not being safe physically in
26:16
this new empire. This is nuts.
26:20
This is the kind of shit that gives people a nervous breakdown
26:23
and just. Yeah, just.
26:24
Put me in a little chair facing a mountain and put a little
26:28
blanket on my lap and feed me soup because I'm.
26:31
Rocker gently, people. Yeah, I'm destroyed like this
26:36
just would ruin me as a person. I love what you just said
26:40
though. All because of like this one.
26:42
You could say it was Palpatine too.
26:44
I mean it all kind of goes back to Palpatine.
26:46
But yes, I'm not. I'm not trying to defend Anakin.
26:49
It begs the question, with the amount of ripple effect that
26:53
Anakin had, was it actually the wills?
26:57
Because it's so the magnitude of it is so huge.
27:00
Remember how we always come back to, was it fate or was it, yeah,
27:04
some kind of destiny? Was it really like as Qui Gon
27:07
thought, you know, the whole prophecy and this, that and the
27:10
other? Yeah.
27:11
Like, because it's a huge magnitude of terribleness.
27:16
I know, and it affects generations, as you see.
27:20
I don't know personally what I believe about fate.
27:25
Me neither. I I don't know.
27:27
I know like the Puritans for example believed everything was
27:30
preordained. So what's the point?
27:32
In my opinion? You know, if it's preordained.
27:35
I try. Yeah, to me, I I feel less
27:39
inclined to believe in fate. However, I know that George
27:42
Lucas wrote some of this stuff really intending it to be fate
27:47
because it's based on Greek mythology, right?
27:50
And like, they believed in fate, at least the the myths imply.
27:55
Who knows? We weren't there.
27:56
We we weren't there in real time.
27:59
We don't know what they really believed.
28:00
But I think that a lot of the myths play with the idea of
28:04
fate. And even if it's not like
28:07
everything about your life is ordained a specific spot on the
28:11
map, you know, and in your journey that's going to happen.
28:14
And I just think of it. Was it Oedipus that killed his
28:19
own father by accident? I can't.
28:22
I always get Oedipus and Odysseus mixed up in my head.
28:25
But. One of Oedipus is the one that
28:26
liked his mom, right? Right.
28:29
But there was something about it where in the myth he learned as
28:32
a young man that he would murder his own father.
28:35
And he was like, well, I don't want to do that.
28:36
So he went off and traveled and made himself as far away as
28:43
possible. So that could never happen.
28:44
And as he was journeying on the road, he met an old man or
28:47
something, got in a fight and killed him.
28:49
And it turned out that was his father and he just didn't know
28:52
it. So by trying to avoid fate, he
28:54
actually walked into fate. Well, that's like Anakin and and
28:59
he saw all of it exactly just like pieced out and left it and
29:02
said, you know. By the very act of trying to
29:06
avoid the thing, he made the thing.
29:07
Because like with Padme, right, trying to save her to avoid the
29:12
heartbreak is what created the heartbreak and the desperation.
29:16
Yeah. I find that very interesting but
29:19
also very exhausting. Like the idea of that being life
29:23
is way too heavy for me to live with.
29:27
Like in my mind. But if you're writing it, it is
29:32
a black because. You it's a thinking circle.
29:34
The circle never ends. Exactly.
29:37
And then it's like, whoa, how does Ahsoka play?
29:39
And how does Rex play it? And then you start to like, rip
29:42
your hair out because I don't know how this all ties together.
29:46
It makes the story super big and complex and heavy and like
29:50
bloated, but I still think the I like having the germ of the idea
29:57
that it's fate makes it interesting and that's as much
30:01
as I need to go into it. Then the rest of it is just fun
30:06
and interesting and complex. I don't know, like if the wills
30:12
intended to ruin all these lives because as we're seeing now,
30:17
like with Ahsoka is showing us, you know, post Return of the
30:22
Jedi World, it's not ideal. It's not like everyone's lives
30:28
got better. And that's the truth about
30:29
revolution, folks. Yes, you have a revolution.
30:33
You're going to have bloody mess for a long time, like
30:36
generations after it. So I don't know, you think about
30:42
it, I'm, I'm like definitely talking myself into a quagmire
30:46
here. I don't know.
30:48
Well, that's what Star Wars is, yeah.
30:50
It's just, yeah, Whenever we talk about these, these
30:53
characters, you have to consider these angles, though, because
30:58
it's what it really is, is it's very painful.
31:01
And we're trying to find a reason why.
31:03
We're trying to figure out why so fucking painful.
31:07
Not all of it was bad. Anakin and Rex, I think they
31:11
really respected each other. I do too.
31:14
I think there was deep friendship there.
31:16
There was, it's sad. And again, everybody that Anakin
31:23
loved, he betrayed, including Padme.
31:28
And himself. Well, yeah, first and foremost
31:32
because there was good in there and he turned from it for that's
31:36
that's his free choice right there.
31:38
Whether the the wills ended up kind of puppet stringing or not,
31:43
we always do have a choice, right Question mark.
31:49
I don't know what the MIDI glorians think.
31:51
Yeah, fuck that. OK, and pong Crow, but like.
31:56
Yeah, our new motto is fuck the MIDI Glorian.
32:00
Season 2, fuck the MIDI. Glorian doesn't quite have the
32:05
bite. It doesn't pong crawled.
32:08
But. But we have questions about all
32:11
of this, and it's very sad. Yeah, because OK, say he doesn't
32:16
have free choice. That's really fucking sad.
32:20
It is because now all of these people are affected by this lack
32:24
of free choice. Right.
32:27
And they have to then deal with it.
32:29
And to think that he's suffering that much because Anakin does
32:33
suffer. He does.
32:36
His whole life is suffering and trying to get away from the
32:41
suffering or trying to trump the suffering and that leads to more
32:45
suffering. It's disgusting.
32:47
So if that is preordained that you were born to suffer.
32:52
Yeah, that sucks. That's really sad.
32:55
And that, I mean, that can kind of like tie into the clones as
33:00
well because they all say we were born to fight.
33:03
We were born to die in the name of this war that was made-up.
33:08
Yeah. And why we were created.
33:10
That's terrible. Yeah.
33:12
And so to see those two characters who are like quote,
33:15
UN quote, preordained, let's say to see their paths and then they
33:20
diverge like drastically, it's pretty interesting to to see,
33:25
granted, Rex didn't have the childhood trauma or a childhood
33:30
for, for that matter. True.
33:33
That Anakin had. And so we this has become a
33:37
whole episode of nature versus nurture.
33:40
I don't know. It has to be.
33:42
It has to be talked about in this sense though.
33:45
Yeah. With Anakin and Rex, it's very
33:48
interesting because Anakin had a much more quote UN quote normal
33:54
upbringing in the sense of he's not a clone.
33:58
Right. And then Rex is brought up as a
34:02
clone with very specific points in his life that he has to reach
34:07
because that's why he was bred, and Rex ends up becoming more of
34:13
a good human than Anakin. Right.
34:17
And if the Irene is yeah. So.
34:22
That's crazy, man. That's the thing about Anakin
34:25
and Rex that fascinates me, is the fact that they are They're
34:30
so similar, but they're so opposite.
34:34
Yeah. And they're opposite when it
34:36
where it really counts. Yeah, yeah, Rex is completely
34:40
selfless. Yeah, totally opposite of
34:43
Anakin. Anakin is selfish.
34:46
He has great moments of selflessness, yes, that.
34:50
That's why he is a hero like he really is.
34:52
But he has a string of selfishness that is his his
34:57
downfall, basically. His selfless moments he wanted
35:00
credit for. That's great point.
35:03
Thus perpet perpetuating the ego and the selfishness it was he
35:10
thought he was owed something for that because of some it.
35:14
Just makes me think for The Simpsons, where Homer Simpson
35:19
wants to be thanked, he's just like, I like being thanked.
35:24
I mean, yes, I mean, who doesn't?
35:27
But like Anakin, like, thought he deserved it.
35:31
Yeah, like I deserve to be made master or whatever because of XY
35:36
and Z. Well, you don't.
35:37
No one owes you anything first of all, and your attitude isn't
35:40
going to help. Yeah, Oh, they're fun
35:43
complexity. I I think they're so
35:46
entertaining and they have that deep brotherhood and friendship.
35:50
And that's why we get really invested.
35:52
And that's why it's so deeply devastating when it all goes
35:57
wrong at the end. It's the same as with Obi Wan.
36:00
It's like you grow with these characters together.
36:03
And after watching Clone Wars, Revenge of the Sith and the Obi
36:07
Wan series is 100 times more devastating now.
36:11
Who who knew it could be right? Here we are.
36:17
Didn't know it could get much worse.
36:20
But to end on a happy note, I really do.
36:21
I do love their entertainment. I love the relationship that was
36:25
given to us so that the pain hits harder.
36:29
That's Star Wars. I don't.
36:30
Think there's any moment either where that friendship with
36:34
Anakin and Rex gets challenged? I don't think there's a moment
36:38
where they're butting heads. I don't recall one.
36:41
If it is, it's very minor. Yeah, like maybe about Echo, I
36:46
think in season 7, Oh, Padme is saying Rex trusts you all the
36:50
time. You need to trust Rex now.
36:53
But before that, like, how many years have they been together?
36:56
And it's just in step with each other.
36:59
Yeah, complete trust because of what they've done for each other
37:02
on the battlefield. I mean, it's pretty incredible.
37:05
It is incredible, sad, incredible and incredibly sad.
37:16
Thanks a lot, Star Wars. So our next episode is gonna be
37:28
all about the skeleton crew cuz it comes out on December 3rd. 2
37:33
episodes are being released on that day.
37:35
So we will watch and review and see where it goes.
37:39
So join us, we're gonna our next new show to watch and.
37:43
In our last episode we were talking about the original
37:48
concept for the Kenobi series, the original script, and we
37:51
asked our listeners how they felt about Cody.
37:54
Would they have liked to see Cody in the Kenobi series?
37:57
And Anna Grace, a tortured poet, said I would love for Cody to
38:04
come back, but only if done right.
38:07
I would love the Cody holding a knife to Obi Wan's throat,
38:10
telling him to be careful. But I'd rather have no Cody than
38:13
have them ruin him. Amen.
38:16
Yes. And that was kind of the general
38:19
consensus. We had other people message me
38:21
and write in saying the same thing.
38:23
Like, yes, I would love to see Cody.
38:25
That'd be awesome. But please don't ruin anything.
38:29
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to tread delicately with
38:32
that one, because you will have a revolt.
38:35
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