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Ep. 753: Foundations - Toothy Competition in the Whitetail Woods · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about predators and
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  Speaker 2: their white tail connection. This is probably the worst time
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  Speaker 2: of year to be a white tail junkie, at least
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion. We're just like too far away from
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  Speaker 2: turkeys for it to be a real distraction. Now. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of us don't have much for fishing opportunities right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's a real bummer, so you have to keep slogging
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  Speaker 2: away at something. And something that kind of fell into
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  Speaker 2: my lap recently is just a topic of predator control,
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  Speaker 2: which brings up a bigger topic in my mind of
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  Speaker 2: just hunting around different predators who aren't humans. This is
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  Speaker 2: something that might not even be an issue for you,
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  Speaker 2: or it might be constantly top of mind depending on
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  Speaker 2: where you hunt. So buckle up because it's time to
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  Speaker 2: get toothy. Last week, in a desperate bid to get
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  Speaker 2: my boss to pick up the phone and let me
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  Speaker 2: know that I'm still employed here at meat Eater, I
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  Speaker 2: sent a Slack message his way, saying I needed exactly
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  Speaker 2: one minute of his time. Twenty four hours later, I
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  Speaker 2: sent another one with roughly the same message, but a
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  Speaker 2: little more urgent in a little less PC than the
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  Speaker 2: first one. He messaged me right back then, saying he
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  Speaker 2: was wrapping up a coyote calling set and would give
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  Speaker 2: me a shout in a little bit. When he called
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  Speaker 2: me on his way to the office, which was well
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  Speaker 2: after normal business hours had started for everyone else, he
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  Speaker 2: told me all about his morning exploits while trying to
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  Speaker 2: call in and decoy a few song dogs. You know
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  Speaker 2: how it is when you're talking to someone about something
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  Speaker 2: they are really passionate about, and you can hear the
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  Speaker 2: intensity creeping into their voice by the word. That's what
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  Speaker 2: this was like. By the time the coyotes were responding
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  Speaker 2: to him and his story, he sounded a little like
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  Speaker 2: a heavy set eight year old who had had to
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  Speaker 2: run upstairs and steal two dollars from his dad's wallet
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  Speaker 2: because he heard the ice cream truck round the corner
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  Speaker 2: and start to drive down his street and come hell
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  Speaker 2: or high water. It was a rocket pop time, so
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  Speaker 2: he pushed himself to the limit, taking the stairs two
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  Speaker 2: at a time on the way up and the way down,
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  Speaker 2: and burst through the screen door like a kool aid man.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's, you know, kind of what my boss sounded like,
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  Speaker 2: but honestly like he's in a little bit worse shape
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  Speaker 2: and also had forgotten to take his ADHD meds with
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  Speaker 2: his ego waffles for breakfast. In some ways, his excitement
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  Speaker 2: over predator hunting is totally related to me, and in
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  Speaker 2: other ways it's not relatable at all. I don't personally
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  Speaker 2: care to kill predators, and even though I know that's
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  Speaker 2: not all that popular in hunting circles, it just does
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  Speaker 2: nothing for me. So I'm not interested in it. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. But when I see a coyote
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  Speaker 2: while I'm deer hunting, my instinct is not to shoot it.
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  Speaker 2: I have in the past, but that's kind of why
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  Speaker 2: I don't today. I'm just not interested in killing a
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  Speaker 2: wild dog because he hunts the same critics that I hunt.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also totally fo anyone who wants to predator hunt
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  Speaker 2: or trap their happy asses off all winter. It's just
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  Speaker 2: not for me, I guess. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: this is true or not, but I think it might
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  Speaker 2: be because it's just rare to see most predators. Most
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  Speaker 2: hunters talk a big game about some of the apex
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  Speaker 2: predators out there without ever actually laying eyes on one.
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  Speaker 2: Mountain lions are a great example here. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how much time I've spent in the heart of lion country,
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  Speaker 2: but in total, I've seen two and had a wild
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  Speaker 2: encounter with a third that I saw. That kitty must
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  Speaker 2: have been patrolling the highest reaches of the Black Hills
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  Speaker 2: out there in South Dakota while I was looking to
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  Speaker 2: call in a long beard while keeping my eye to
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  Speaker 2: the sky as a monster storm rolled in. In order
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  Speaker 2: to not get soaked and then have to spend the
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  Speaker 2: night sleeping in the back of my buddy's truck while
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  Speaker 2: freezing my giblets off, I decided to cut down a
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  Speaker 2: cliff and then book it to camp. But as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I started, I found a spike shed antler, and
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  Speaker 2: then a four point side, so instead of heading right
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  Speaker 2: to camp, I shed hunted until dark and then booked
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  Speaker 2: it as the rain really started to fall. It was
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  Speaker 2: a miserable night that got real cold, real fast. In
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  Speaker 2: the morning. When I went to take a leak, I
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  Speaker 2: looked at my bootprints frozen solid in the mud and
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  Speaker 2: saw that there were lion tracks on top of my
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  Speaker 2: tracks all the way to the edge of camp. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure that lion was hunting the deer that were dropping
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  Speaker 2: the antlers I was looking for, and he seemed interested
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  Speaker 2: enough in me to follow me all the way down
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  Speaker 2: that hill in the dark. And let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 2: As skilled as I like to think I am as
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  Speaker 2: a hunter, I had no clue he was there, and
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  Speaker 2: judging by how quickly it got cold that night, I
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  Speaker 2: have to assume he shadowed me down that hill while
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  Speaker 2: he was wondering how tasty I might be. A few
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  Speaker 2: years later, I went back to the Black Hills to
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  Speaker 2: see if I could remove another long beard from the landscape.
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  Speaker 2: When I bumped into a cat crossing a road at
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  Speaker 2: dawn while I walked down and listening for a gobble,
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  Speaker 2: that cat went straight up a limestone cliff on a
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  Speaker 2: dead run, which was like watching a super athlete do
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  Speaker 2: something you didn't even realize was possible. It was incredible,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not joking. I've never seen anything like it
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  Speaker 2: before or since. I did, while cow calling next to
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  Speaker 2: a small pond in Colorado like eight years ago, call
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  Speaker 2: in another cat that seemed to think it was going
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  Speaker 2: to have some elk meat for dinner. When that cat
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  Speaker 2: slow stepped over a log not twenty yards from me,
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  Speaker 2: my partner and I both looked directly at it and
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  Speaker 2: realized how easy it was for something that has built
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  Speaker 2: to be sneaky to sneak up on a couple of
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  Speaker 2: dudes who aren't as sneaky as they think. I've always
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  Speaker 2: heard that high country meal deer are so neurotic because
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  Speaker 2: of the presence of lions, and I kind of believe it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine having that kind of threat living in
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  Speaker 2: the same place where you live, and knowing that it's
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  Speaker 2: a terminator level eating machine with a whole lot of
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  Speaker 2: patients and nothing else to do but pursue its next meal. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 2: for most white tail hunters, despite widespread rumors that they
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  Speaker 2: are everywhere, mountain lions aren't much of an issue for
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  Speaker 2: most of us. Coyotes, wolves, bobcats, and bears. Different story.
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  Speaker 2: If you hunt anywhere with a prevalence of these critters.
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  Speaker 2: You know it because the fawn recruitment will be pretty dismal,
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  Speaker 2: which tends to result in low deer densities. That feels
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  Speaker 2: awful real during the season. We all know about coyotes
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  Speaker 2: and what they're capable of, but bobcats are apparently a
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  Speaker 2: sneaky predator too, that will take down a deer sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen one mess with it, but I have
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  Speaker 2: seen quite a few of them in northern Wisconsin, and
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, they're pretty damn cool. I had
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  Speaker 2: one walk right up to me a few years ago
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  Speaker 2: while I was sitting on the ground waiting on a deer,
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  Speaker 2: and my first indication that it was close was that
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  Speaker 2: I heard soft purring, and I thought, why can I
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  Speaker 2: hear a cat purring right now? Do I smell burnt toast?
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  Speaker 2: Turns out I wasn't having a stroke. There was a
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  Speaker 2: bobcat maybe six feet away from me, who was as
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  Speaker 2: surprised as I was when he figured out I was there.
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  Speaker 2: Wolves are a different story. There isn't a critter out
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  Speaker 2: there that more quickly divides hunters. Most of them fall
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  Speaker 2: on the side of the fewer the wolves out there.
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  Speaker 2: The better. Hunting in wolf country is tough, and while
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  Speaker 2: the blame often falls solely on those wild canines, the
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  Speaker 2: truth is that it's almost always due to a variety
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  Speaker 2: of factors. Wolves happen to live where winter is real
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  Speaker 2: and real winters tend to knock back deer number often,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's only once every five or seven years,
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  Speaker 2: a real bad winner will set the herd back a
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  Speaker 2: long ways. Wolves also tend to live where there's woods everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: but not a ton of destination food sources. Logging helps,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but it's just a fact of life that
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  Speaker 2: if you're in wolf territory, you're also kind of just
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  Speaker 2: in an environment where the deer aren't going to spend
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  Speaker 2: all winter eating in a pitcornfield to survive. There's plenty
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  Speaker 2: of food up there. Don't get me wrong, but life
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  Speaker 2: is tough in the north country, and of course the
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  Speaker 2: wolves don't help if you hunt around them. At least
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  Speaker 2: in my experience, they can make it seem like there
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  Speaker 2: are literally no deer left for very long stretches of time.
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  Speaker 2: It's not fun, and it's really not fun to see.
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  Speaker 2: How many non hunters and anti hunters have a weird
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  Speaker 2: wolf fetish as if they are something more than wild
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  Speaker 2: dogs and are deserving of as much range as possible.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into it, but I'll say
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  Speaker 2: this only. I think there are enough wolves out there,
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  Speaker 2: and I think they should be managed. I also don't
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  Speaker 2: think we need to drop wolves off in places they
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  Speaker 2: aren't currently at because of the feel good idea that
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  Speaker 2: we can suddenly turn parts of the country back two
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  Speaker 2: hundred years and return nature to whatever natural state we
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  Speaker 2: have romanticized in our heads. It doesn't work like that,
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  Speaker 2: and it's frustrating to hear from people who have zero
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  Speaker 2: connection to nature advocate for such things, or worse, weaponize
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  Speaker 2: the court systems to make it happen. Now, aside from
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  Speaker 2: the woofies, you have the Black Bears, which is the
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  Speaker 2: undisputed champion of the Toothy Critters League when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to turning adorable little spotted fawns into breakfast Yogi doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get enough credit for this, But when the fawns drop,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, out west, the elk or moose, calves, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: bears of all varieties tend to shift gears heavily towards
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  Speaker 2: scouring meadows and other fawn friendly areas to see what
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  Speaker 2: they can turn up. It's really a short wind of
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  Speaker 2: time where they are hell on the youngsters. But they
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  Speaker 2: are good at it, really really good at it. Does
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  Speaker 2: any of this have any bearing on how you should hunt?
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  Speaker 2: I'd say yes, but maybe that's because I think about
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  Speaker 2: this a lot. Let me give you a couple examples
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  Speaker 2: on how predators shape my strategy when I'm hunting in
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  Speaker 2: specific locations. Let's take western North Dakota for example. The
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  Speaker 2: bad lands are maybe my favorite environment to hunt for
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  Speaker 2: so many reasons. It's one of the places I've traveled
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  Speaker 2: to the most to hunt, and I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many days I've spent living in a tent out there
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  Speaker 2: while trying to arrow meal deer and white tails and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes antelope at least back when you could get a tag.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a coyote heavy region, or at least it
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  Speaker 2: seems that way. It might not have a higher density
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  Speaker 2: of song dogs than a lot of other places, but
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  Speaker 2: they are highly visible in that terrain and they are
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  Speaker 2: really easy to hear out there, so maybe it just
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  Speaker 2: seems like they are everywhere. I honestly don't know. There
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  Speaker 2: are also quite a few lions living in that area,
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  Speaker 2: and while I've never seen one. I sure have found
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  Speaker 2: a lot of their tracks. I've also spent a stupid
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  Speaker 2: amount of time trying to stalk animals out there and
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  Speaker 2: just kill them from the ground in natural blinds. Those
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  Speaker 2: deer in that territory are masters of spotting movement or
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  Speaker 2: something out of place on the ground, but it's like
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  Speaker 2: they are blind when you get into a tree, even
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  Speaker 2: if you only get like eight feet into a tree. Now,
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  Speaker 2: part of this is influenced by a hunter tactics. We
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  Speaker 2: all know that the deer that don't get hunted from
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  Speaker 2: tree stands a lot don't understand how dirty of a
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  Speaker 2: trick it is. That's a huge contributor. But I also
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  Speaker 2: think the reason they are so good at figuring out
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  Speaker 2: who is on the ground waiting for them is because
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  Speaker 2: they are so keyed into predators stalking them all the time.
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  Speaker 2: This means that if you're heading into an area with
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  Speaker 2: lots of coyotes and enough lions where they are a consideration,
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  Speaker 2: your best bet might be to leave the stalking to
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  Speaker 2: the flat brimmers out west and get up in a
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  Speaker 2: tree Eastern bow hunter style. Now, I'll give you a
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  Speaker 2: life pro tip here, just because I'm on the topic.
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  Speaker 2: If you are a white tail hunter who primarily sits
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  Speaker 2: stands or saddles, and you go out west with the
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  Speaker 2: idea you're going to spot in stock, do yourself a
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  Speaker 2: favor and bring one mobile tree stand setup, just some
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  Speaker 2: sticks in a stand or your saddle. Then if you
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  Speaker 2: find yourself not being good at stocking, which is pretty likely,
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  Speaker 2: you have the chance to get a leg up on
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  Speaker 2: the deer and the other hunters by using a tactic
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  Speaker 2: that is absolutely deadly on Western critters. Now, what if
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  Speaker 2: you're nowhere near the west and you're hunting around predators.
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  Speaker 2: I think the best way to look at this is
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  Speaker 2: lump all of the hunters into the same category. I
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  Speaker 2: know that doesn't really make sense, So let me explain.
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  Speaker 2: Hunting pressure is hunting pressure, and it doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: matter much if it comes from two legged or four
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  Speaker 2: legged predators. The more things that are trying to kill
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  Speaker 2: the deer, the fewer deer there will be, and the
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  Speaker 2: harder those deer will be to kill. That's it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not revolutionary, it's not something that you don't inherently know.
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  Speaker 2: What that means is that Southern Iowa idea that you
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  Speaker 2: can rattle all morning, or put a bunch of cent
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  Speaker 2: out and just wait on bucks to come in. As
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  Speaker 2: some grade A level bullshit. The more you announce your presence, generally,
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  Speaker 2: the worse you'll be off as a hunter in a
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  Speaker 2: high predator area. This is something that hunters in wolf
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  Speaker 2: territory often get wrong, and it's part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: they genuinely believe that all of the deer are gone.
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  Speaker 2: They aren't. But what we do to compensate for low
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  Speaker 2: confidence in our hunts is to try to make something
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  Speaker 2: happen in spots where we always hunt. So we go
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  Speaker 2: back to the same stance and we increase the level
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  Speaker 2: of our presence in those spots, spots where we undoubtedly
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  Speaker 2: run cameras, which causes us to increase our general presence there.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bad spiral to get into, but it's really
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  Speaker 2: really common. We take a situation where we should be
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  Speaker 2: as stealthy as possible, and we should be open to
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  Speaker 2: trying to find current deer concentrations, and instead we default
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  Speaker 2: to the spots that we are comfortable hunting while trying
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  Speaker 2: more and more tactics that only work Sometimes in really
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  Speaker 2: good areas, it's easy to compartmentalize the presence of predators.
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  Speaker 2: When we think about hunting, we know there are coyotes
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  Speaker 2: out there, or wolves or bobcats or bears, whatever, but
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  Speaker 2: we don't think of them as competition. We think of
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  Speaker 2: them as something tangential to the experience of being in
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  Speaker 2: the woods. But the deer don't see it that way.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't either, if you were being hunted every single
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  Speaker 2: day of your life. You'd be neurotic anxious, while more
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  Speaker 2: anxious than usual, and you'd have a low tolerance for
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  Speaker 2: threats of any type. The deer do too, and that's
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  Speaker 2: something to remember. I know that when I hunt northern Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: I'm more cautious about the scent I leave around and
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  Speaker 2: the noise I make and the ways I access spots
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  Speaker 2: that I am just about anywhere else I hunt. When
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  Speaker 2: you're dealing with very few deer that are just fed
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  Speaker 2: up with being on the menu, just feels like the
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  Speaker 2: only way, at least that I've ever found to keep
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  Speaker 2: finding deer and give myself that feeling like I'm someone
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  Speaker 2: in the game. Still, I also tend to set up
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  Speaker 2: as high as I can, often like eighteen to twenty
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  Speaker 2: feet up, which is kind of my personal limit for
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  Speaker 2: reasons I can't explain other than I don't have a
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  Speaker 2: fear of heights when I'm below that arbitrary mark, and
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  Speaker 2: when I get above it, I'm suddenly not comfortable at
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  Speaker 2: all with how much gravity there is and how if
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  Speaker 2: it could that invisible force it all matter has would
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  Speaker 2: bring me from being in a tree to being a twisted,
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  Speaker 2: first light covered pretzel of a human on the forest floor.
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  Speaker 2: The height generally feels necessary unless there's a way to
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  Speaker 2: get into a big, old pine tree or some clump
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  Speaker 2: of trees that provides real c I pay attention more,
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  Speaker 2: I move less too. Some deer are pretty tolerant a
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  Speaker 2: poor hunting behavior while you're on STAN, but that deal
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of predators genuinely are not fun. Fact
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  Speaker 2: about this too. But other than maybe a few random
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  Speaker 2: bears I've seen off Stan, I've had very few encounters
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  Speaker 2: with bobcats and coyotes where they didn't pick me out
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  Speaker 2: of the tree almost instantly. You know, this obviously depends
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  Speaker 2: on a lot of factors, but it sure seems like
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  Speaker 2: they are just good at noticing anything that's a little unnatural.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the case for wolves, because
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  Speaker 2: I've only seen a few and they were all on
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  Speaker 2: the ground and I was not hiding. I guess the
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  Speaker 2: gist of it is it's worth thinking about the prevalence
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  Speaker 2: of predators where you hunt or where you are thinking
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  Speaker 2: about hunting, which might even be more important. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they might not affect your strategies much, or they might
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  Speaker 2: factor into your plan in a major way. This will
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  Speaker 2: depend on a lot of things. But it's not something
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  Speaker 2: that is this abstract idea that doesn't influence your hunt,
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  Speaker 2: because that's just not how it works. They are out
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  Speaker 2: there pressuring the deer too. Use that however, you need to,
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  Speaker 2: but at the very least acknowledge that it's true and
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  Speaker 2: consider what it might do to your hunts, and at
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  Speaker 2: least come back next week to keep listening because I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about water access and how it can
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  Speaker 2: be a white tail hunter's best friend. That's it for
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  Speaker 2: this week. I'm Tony Peterson and this has been the
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  Speaker 2: Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast, which is brought to you
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  Speaker 2: by First Light. I say this every week and I
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