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S3E24: Chillstack · Black Ibis Social Club

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  SPEAKER_01: Good afternoon and welcome to the Black Ibis Social Club.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello to everybody at home that's going to be listening to this in the far future.
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  SPEAKER_01: And hello to everybody that's listening live.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited to be back after being gone a week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I do want to apologize that we were gone last week.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason we were gone is because lightning hit my house and kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of burned out my internet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't come back on until Wednesday, which made me really hard to prepare.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm going to pause this.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a creepy red balloon floating down the street below my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very, I think Vista's out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I had a student say today that I look a bit like Pennywise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is really creepy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got a bunch of weird stuff happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me call the police.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so lightning hit my house and...
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  SPEAKER_01: It actually hit my neighbor's house, and it took out her water heater, her air conditioning.
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  SPEAKER_01: It took out just everything in her house.
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  SPEAKER_01: It came up the ethernet cables into my house,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it fried my modem and my wireless router and all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Luckily,
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  SPEAKER_01: nothing was really connected to it,
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  SPEAKER_01: so I'm pretty happy because I did not want to have to replace thousands of dollars
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  SPEAKER_01: with computers and stuff in my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have thousands of dollars of computers.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if I did, they would get fried.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I take a while for them to get up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then as soon as they get up, of course, I come home and I'm just sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I had just a horrible cold or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you might hear it in my voice today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of nasally sounding because I'm pretty congested.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if I'm pausing constantly, it's because I can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I blow my nose.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then my wife and kid are sick now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like...
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm glad to be back.
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  SPEAKER_01: For a few days, it got a little bit cooler here in South Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_01: It lasted about, and by cool, I mean in the high 70s, mid 80s.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now it's back to being 95 and 100.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready for the winter to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of burnt out on the heat and the humidity, even though I tend to be a fan of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the real, real hurricane, rainy season is upon us finally.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I expect lightning and thunder to knock out my power A few more times before Christmas.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what I wanted to talk first before we get into any of the homeschooling stuff,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is going to be kind of the main topic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a conversation at work and it was with a younger guy, really smart guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just like when we talked, we always talk about like, I always go, have you seen this movie?
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen this movie?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or have you seen this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you read this book?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've noticed more and more and more that the younger generation is not the kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of movie and literature and just entertainment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I started to think like, why is that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when I was young, I,
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew like all the core movies,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: from the previous generations, I was very familiar with movies from my dad's era.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, Stuff like all the old Spielberg stuff, pre-Spielberg, the spaghetti westerns.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was very familiar with the 60s movies.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was familiar with Akira Kurosawa movies in my pre-teens, basically.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I knew a bunch of music.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, how come some of these young guys that are around me don't know any of this stuff?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the deal?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I realized that because of a lack of a monoculture...
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no,
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  SPEAKER_01: like, there's no, like, water cooler where, like, there's no conversation, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fister, do you remember when the X-Files were on?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: What time of day were they on?
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  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't it, like, 9 o'clock?
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  SPEAKER_01: On a Friday, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So everybody watched the X-Files on Fridays, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody watched Friends, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so there was, like, this kind of a monoculture that we all watched and shared.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then...
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  SPEAKER_01: Through that, there were subcultures of much more interesting stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought to myself, like, okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I have pretty good taste when it comes to film and music and literature.
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  SPEAKER_01: And taste is something that's kind of developed and there's an innate quality to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But to build that taste, you have to be exposed to things, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember, for example, that most of the things that People would define me by right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: People say, man, that's something that Alex likes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or that's something Alex would like.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of that was kind of created in my teens and my early 20s.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was through having older friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, I had this friend named John.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was an acquaintance.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was about a decade older than me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was a gay vampire.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never saw him during the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had long black hair.
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  SPEAKER_01: His skin was like...
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  SPEAKER_01: His name was John, but it was actually spelled G-I-A-N.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was Giancarlo.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was an Italian.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was either a pervert or a vampire or a pervert vampire.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both.
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  SPEAKER_01: Definitely gay when he wanted to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Definitely straight when he wanted to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very interesting guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he...
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  SPEAKER_01: One day he told me,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I was 20,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was even old enough to drink,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we were sitting around the coffee shop smoking cigarettes.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was watching because I don't think he had lungs because he's a vampire.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he smoked, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't need lungs when you're one of those.
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  SPEAKER_01: Alex, you seem like the kind of person that would really enjoy Nick Cave's murder ballads.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I've never heard of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Nick Cave.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guys, I'm 20.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is 20 in 2003.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I'm going to bring you a CD tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_01: He brings me a CD and it's Nick Cave's Murder Ballads.
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  SPEAKER_01: I became a lifelong Nick Cave fan.
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  SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with Nick Cave.
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  SPEAKER_01: After getting an album from him for the next two years,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's all I listened to was just Nick Cave.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I realized that that's important.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a friend named Ryan who was like your prototypical kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of like industrial metalhead.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he got me into Skinny Puppy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's also an older guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had another friend who got me into the Third Reich.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I take that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me edit that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just joking, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, that's how you get influenced by things, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing that you get.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dune, I didn't know about Dune until my friend Dan,
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  SPEAKER_01: who was also much older, was like, hey, have you seen the David Lynch movie?
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  SPEAKER_01: If you like the David Lynch movie, you should actually read the book that was based on.
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  SPEAKER_01: David Lynch was another thing that I came across from being exposed to by friends
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  SPEAKER_01: and goth music.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, this is pre-internet days.
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  SPEAKER_01: What shocks me is that there's a lot of people that don't have these friends
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  SPEAKER_01: that introduce them to things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one thing I'm going to do now is I think we're going to try to do every episode
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  SPEAKER_01: where we recommend something to watch or to read or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that if I accomplish one thing in life,
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  SPEAKER_01: besides having children and that kind of stuff, which I already did, I'm cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I want people to experience stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the last McCarthy novel, in Stella Mars,
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a quote,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I'm going to misquote it,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's something like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, men that share books together, it's like sharing blood.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: like if you share a book together,
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  SPEAKER_01: like if you've read,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you're both with the same book, you've been in the same headspace, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you share a piece of media,
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  SPEAKER_01: I hate media,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if you share a piece of like art,
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  SPEAKER_01: like an entertainment,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you experience it together,
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  SPEAKER_01: or even separately,
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  SPEAKER_01: but come to talk about it,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, there's a connection there that is a fundamentally human connection.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to open up today by talking about what I watched.
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  SPEAKER_01: And every now and then,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this is a feeling that like,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's, oh, look, I already spoiled it because I posted it on the screen.
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  SPEAKER_01: But every
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  SPEAKER_01: now and then I'll read something or watch something that when I finish it,
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  SPEAKER_01: I am just It depresses me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just overwhelmed by this emptiness and depression because it's so damn good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever had that feeling?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where you finish something and you're like, shit, what am I going to top this with?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you just think about it for days on end.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, man, I...
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  SPEAKER_01: It stays and you feel kind of nauseous because I don't know what to start.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where to go and watch after this
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  SPEAKER_01: because it wasted my intellectual energy or emotional energy to the point
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  SPEAKER_01: where I can't just switch ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: Switch so fast into something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how I feel whenever I read like Dostoevsky or any great novel,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_01: read some slop for a little bit to kind of reset myself like a palate cleanser.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know it sounds corny, but it's really real with even books, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: after reading a great novel,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to read some like a quick crime slop or a mystery like Dan Brenton.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't read that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that sloppy, but you know what I mean, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's limits.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's limits.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's limits, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well,
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  SPEAKER_01: so what the last kind of piece of work that left me feeling like that is actually
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  SPEAKER_01: an anime movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's an, well, it's not a movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an anime show.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's eight hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called Pluto, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  SPEAKER_01: It's on Netflix.
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  SPEAKER_01: So almost all of us have Netflix, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you have Netflix, I highly recommend this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you to watch it so bad because I want to talk about it and I want people
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  SPEAKER_01: to talk about it in the chat and I want people to talk about it on Substack.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's a movie that just doesn't get enough attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't see a lot of stuff done about it, but it's recently new.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it was 2023, but let me do a quick background on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's called Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's not the dog Pluto from the Disney stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's not the planet Pluto, but kind of.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually about Pluto as in the Roman god of death Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where the name comes from.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the
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  SPEAKER_01: movie, like the show, is based on a manga series by Naoki Urasawa.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a manga series by Noroki Urasawa adapting Osamu Tezuka's manga Astro Boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I need to give a quick little background.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fister, are you familiar with the Watchmen?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Watchmen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, in the Watchmen, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Big giant blue penis, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big giant blue penis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr. Man.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the Watchmen,
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  SPEAKER_01: what's interesting about the Watchmen is that none
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  SPEAKER_01: of those characters are new characters, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: They were mostly characters adapted from like old 1920s,
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  SPEAKER_01: like a crime kind of comic books, right?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And kind of reinterpreted in this 1980s, dark, grim kind of modern interpretation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what became Watchmen, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Pluto is the same way.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is this very famous manga artist named Osamu Tezuka.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're into like Japanese stuff,
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  SPEAKER_01: specifically manga and anime, you would have heard of Osamu Tezuka.
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  SPEAKER_01: Osamu Tezuka is...
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  SPEAKER_01: He's basically the Walt Disney of Japanese comic books and Japanese art.
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  SPEAKER_01: He lived through World War II.
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  SPEAKER_01: He basically invented the manga thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: He invented the modern iteration of manga.
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  SPEAKER_01: He even met Walt Disney.
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  SPEAKER_01: He passed away in the late 80s, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_01: But every single manga, anime, everything is inspired.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact,
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  SPEAKER_01: Stanley Kubrick was such a fan of his that he asked him to help design all
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  SPEAKER_01: the art design for Space Odyssey.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he ended up not doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that was his favorite movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Guillermo del Toro based a lot of stuff on his work.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just a Walt Disney, basically, of the Japanese scene.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, one of his famous creations,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you might be familiar with this one, is this character named Astro Boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's basically the Mickey Mouse of Japanese comics and anime and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good old Astro Boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: The old Astro Boy, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, much later in our modern kind of world,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the late 20th century,
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  SPEAKER_01: early 21st century,
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  SPEAKER_01: Naoki Urasawa comes along and he's another like manga artist,
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  SPEAKER_01: but he's kind of like this new era manga artist, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's famous for...
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  SPEAKER_01: He's writing this manga called Monster.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of one of the main famous ones that a lot of Americans are familiar with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Monsters, I don't know if you ever heard of Monster, but it's a fantastic one.
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  SPEAKER_01: It requires an entire show just on it itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, his favorite manga growing up when he was a little kid was Astro Boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And specifically a plot line of Astro Boy called The Greatest Robot on Earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he decides...
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  SPEAKER_01: To basically give that little storyline of Astro Boy a rewrite in the same way
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  SPEAKER_01: the Watchmen were done.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not connected to the Watchmen at all, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So he rewrites.
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  SPEAKER_01: He goes to the son of Osama Tezuka, who's already dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: He goes, hey, I want to do your show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, they go back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the agreements for him to be able to do this,
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  SPEAKER_01: to write this series, is that it can be inspired by.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can even use the same characters, but it can't use the same art.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And they can't use the same storylines.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can like be inspired by, or it can be like, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like towards like, it's identifiable as.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, fine, great.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that actually allowed him to use his own kind of like creativity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he does.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he, I think he makes a masterpiece, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the anime made out of the manga is fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Came out in 2023.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's called Pluto.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what it's about on the surface level,
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  SPEAKER_01: anime is about,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's in the far future,
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of a utopian kind of future where humans and robots live together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Robots are still kind of second class citizens,
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  SPEAKER_01: but there's like now like a robotic,
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  SPEAKER_01: like freedom, like a,
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  SPEAKER_01: like a robotic,
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  SPEAKER_01: like bill of rights type of thing, or,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: like the robot act where like they,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the robots are almost near human and Even more so than that,
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  SPEAKER_01: there is a series of seven robots.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like super robots.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like robots beyond the regular robots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because in the world,
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: you have these robots that are like,
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: oh, I'm like the coffee making robot or like the flower girl robot.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: But
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: then there's robots like Mont Blanc, the Swiss robot that protects the forest.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like super hyper intelligent.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: And Adam,
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: the Japanese robot,
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: which is basically Astro Boy,
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: because in Japan, the Astro Boy's character's name is actually Adam, right?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Which you could talk about why it was Adam.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can talk about it for an hour.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: It has to do with the nuclear bomb in 1945.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Interestingly enough, he was created in 1950, right?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the idea is that...
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was basically one of the themes of the original Astro Boy was that technology is not evil.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's evil in the hands that use it type of thing.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: It helped the Japanese get over their hatred of atomic energy and stuff like that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's also a really good pun.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Adam at the beginning of something.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he was the first super robot, right?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: The first.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so there's these super robots.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's an Australian one named Epsilon.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's a German one named Geschick.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a Turkish one and a Greek one.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they're both wrestlers, which is really interesting.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: So these robots are hyperhuman.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: But The surface plot of the eight-hour movie,
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: because it's an eight-hour movie,
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: to be honest, is that somebody or something is murdering these robots.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: The super ones or the less than super ones?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: The super ones.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: The super ones.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's murdering any human activist or any human person that has anything to do with them.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or with robots rights activists and stuff.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So we got a little Blade Runner going on, it feels like.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we got a little Blade Runner.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the main robot that is set to investigate is Geschicht.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: He's in a picture.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you can see the picture, he's the guy in a suit, right?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's a super robot himself.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: So now... Geschicht,
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: the German.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: One of the interesting things...
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's a character named Adolph in this, right?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: One of the very kind of key interesting things about this,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: this world is that the rules are robots like They have limiters on their emotions,
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: So they cannot have hyper emotions.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: They can like fake emotions like crying and blah, blah, blah,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: but they cannot go full on emotions because that basically limits them from,
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know, getting angry or any of that stuff, right?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And the rules are robots cannot kill humans.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the rules, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they cannot lie because why would an artificial intelligence lie?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, chat GTP lies.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: But it lies out of error, not out of intent, at least as far as we know, right?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it lies because it's AI algorithms or malfunction.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's garbage.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, garbage, right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's not lying because it intends to lie, right?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: So the interesting thing is right away you realize that a robot had
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: to kill other robots because, well, These things are super powerful, right?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: But that robot also killed humans.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: So now we got a robot murderer.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's only been one case of robot murder, right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: And they already captured that robot.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: And his name is Brau, another German robot.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: And a very interesting kind of note is they've done all the diagnostics on Brau.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they go see him, and he is locked up in this Hannibal Lecter kind of prison, this AI prison.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: They've done all these investigating his AI and they've come to find out
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: that his AI is not malfunctioning.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: His AI is actually perfect.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: The more human he is, the more murder happens.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is a pun, the world's perfect robot is a robot that can kill humans.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because a perfect AI is an AI that has faults.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't make a human AI until they can murder you because murdering is
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: part of humanity.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it explores all these crazy ideas.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: But there's another level to it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Prior to the show starting, there was a war, right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's called the 39th Persian War or East Persian War, right?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it's Saddam Hussein basically.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: The stand in for the United States accuses the Persians
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: because this comic book was written during the Iraq War,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: accuses the Persian Kingdom of Persia or whatever,
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: that they are trying to build a super robot, a super robot, right?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: A super robot that's going to be a super robot of mass destruction, right?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: So they send a bunch of robotic scientists to go do this commission
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: to investigate this kingdom, right?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: And well, they don't find anything.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: The, the robotic, the robotic industry commission.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's called the Bora, the Bora commission, right?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: They don't find anything, right?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: But the United States decides to attack this country anyways,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: with their allies in the UN and stuff.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And they enlist, well, they basically force all the super robots to also take part in this war.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So the side that has super robots is attacking the country That might be making
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: the super robot.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways,
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: it's one of those things where it's kind of like the joke where we're invading Iraq
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: because they're going to build a nuclear bomb.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you ask the US, well, are you going to invade Russia and China next?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they go, absolutely not.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: They have nuclear bombs.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Are you crazy?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: You don't invade a country that has nuclear bombs.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah,
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: so the whole show,
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: and without spoiling any of the surprises and stuff,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: really explores the idea of hatred,
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: good intentions causing mass murder, bad intentions causing mass murder, hating.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is, in a way,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I texted my priest and I told him the other day,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: you need to watch this because one of the things he always says is forgive everyone
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: for everything, right?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of a very Christian principle, right?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the show really deals with that because there's murder and one of
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: the robots kills a human during the show and he does it in cold blood.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he like annihilates this human, but a human really fucking deserved it.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he was basically a child killer, right?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: But was that right?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Was that wrong?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it really deals with these crazy, like,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: it is a masterpiece of dealing with both the idea of what makes you a human,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: what makes you a living being, right?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it also deals with how do we create hatred in people, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And how do we let go of that hatred towards each other?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's, it's truly a masterpiece.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I highly recommend that everybody that has Netflix spend
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: the next few days watching this show and telling me what you think about it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I have never watched something to where like every night after my wife
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: and daughter would go to bed,
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'd go downstairs and watch one or two episodes, spend two hours.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and I've just, I was, I've been enthralled by it, you know?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I highly recommend that you watch.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful, well done show also.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: It looks beautiful, but it, it,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: If you can watch the first episode and not shed a tear,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: because it's also about PTSD and take it for somebody that's been to
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: a combat situation.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in war.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: It captures that feeling of PTSD or like that regret of being in a war in an,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: in a fan, just an amazing artistic way.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it like, there was one element where there's a, I'm going to spoil this part.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's a character that's like, why do humans build statues?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: And And he goes, well, that's because they forget.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: So they build these statues so they don't forget.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: We, robots, we never forget.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Our memories are eternal.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a good thing,
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: but it's also bad because we never forget all the bad things we've done and all
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: the horrible things we've seen.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got these robots that are super robots that have severe PTSD.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're basically baddie.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're baddie.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: They have severe PTSD.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's questions like, The robots fake crying or they're programmed to cry, right?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: But if you do things, if you imitate life enough, when do you become alive?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you cry when somebody dies in somebody's grave or something like that,
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: that's actually a learned behavior for the most part.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Our entire routines of like funerals and stuff, they're learned behaviors.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: So a kid, if a kid does it a bunch of times or sees a bunch of times, right.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: And knows that it's appropriate to cry at a funeral and a robot does it.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: If the robot does it so many times, when does it, you know, what's the difference?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it deals with like really interesting things like that where,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: where does it become, where do you, you know, you fake it till you make it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: When does the robot make it?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when does the robot make it?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a very interesting show.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I highly recommend it, guys.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Pluto.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's Pluto by Naoki Urasawa.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's on Netflix, eight hours.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: You can watch it in eight-hour chunks.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Masterpiece.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the best things you'll see.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you've never watched anime before, I recommended it to a coworker and he started watching it.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I've never watched anime before and I I like it.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: I never realized it was that interesting.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: That deep and it had that level of complexity.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just watch it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Take that eight hours and let me know how it goes.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Let's move on from this.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: We'll move on to our main topic, which is homeschooling.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this topic of homeschooling doesn't come out of nowhere.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: It comes out of my own personal experience.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: But before we get into it,
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to kind of talk about a side conversation before we get into
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: the homeschooling.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let me find what it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and a side note,
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: if you guys didn't know,
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: the intro song,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: which is not going to be in the podcast version of this just for the live stream,
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: the intro song was from the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: because I'm rewatching Cowboy Bebop.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't watched this for like 20 years.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Fisto actually guessed it right away.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: I listen to the soundtrack on the regular.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'll throw it on at school sometimes just to see if any of the kids catch what it is.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: But musically, it's one of my favorite pieces of music.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's all just so great.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's just bonkers.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I did a lot of that kind of like Japanese jazz stuff in high school
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: because my band teachers were a little bonkers.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: So like I got exposed to that stuff really early.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: So whenever I hear like a good Japanese big band, I'm just like sit down and just listen.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a thing of me.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's also funny too because I thought of both.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: I thought of both Cowboy Bebop and Blade Runner earlier today.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was just like thinking about stuff and those things popped into my mind.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like I kind of anticipated.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I kind of.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've never known.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've never known you want.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You've seen it.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it surprised me that you guessed it right away.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's actually.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually a.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was the ending song in one of the episodes, the one where they go to Jupiter.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's the one that has the transgender hermaphroditic character in it.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you remember that episode.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's a man and a woman,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: and Faye goes to his house, and she thinks it's vicious, but it's not vicious.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's the one that Vicious betrays.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Grim.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Grim.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what it's from.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so- I've created a new shut up retard meme in honor of today's episode featuring Spike.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to see it.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: We need to see it right away.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just posted it.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, yes.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Let me look at it.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: So before we go into it,
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I made a comment over,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was over the week, you know, something I was kind of popped into my mind.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not out of nowhere.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: It comes from some personal stuff that I've encountered.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever, okay, all right, like, listen, guys, this is important, okay?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: If I say something like,
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man,
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: like, I'm not really sure that, like, you know, driving a blue car is good, right?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: What do you guys think?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've noticed that, like, if I drive a blue car, I get a lot of, like, bird poop on it, right?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I post that on Substack.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Without a doubt, you're going to have 17 fucking people, right?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to be like, oh, why are you such a fag for posting not liking blue cards, bro?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, well, you know, obviously you're like a... Are you
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: some kind of fascist?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Are you some kind of... Yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Are you some kind of a Satanist, bro?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you just want the gays to win in America, bro, or something like that.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because like I...
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, dude, the whole point of things.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you love Islam, Alex?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Why do I love Islam?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's so irritating.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's so irritating.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, first of all,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I realized that, like, I don't have the patience for Substack conversation anymore.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I just don't care.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you disagree with me, you're fucking wrong.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: killing you.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just killing you.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not interested in your opinion because your opinion is fucking retarded.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just done.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, man.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, if you're going to post a reply to anything I do or anybody,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's Fisto or any of the people.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know John and everybody's been getting into stuff or Lisa and anybody I like on there.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, if you don't have a picture or anything like that,
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit who you are, block, right?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: If I click on your account and you have nothing posted, block, right?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I just don't care, dude.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I just want you guys to be like, I don't owe random nobody's conversation, all right?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Me and you, Fisto, and a lot of these guys, we put ourselves out here and we enjoy it.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it for fun.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're not special.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not special.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing special about what we do.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is fun for me, right?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing it on a Wednesday evening.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm enjoying it, right?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately,
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: we are putting ourselves out here and there's a body of work behind our names,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: all right?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can listen to like over like 400 hours of this podcast, all right?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can read tons and tons of stuff we've written,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's short stories I've published or actual posts and just the stuff there,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see my intellectual development on different opinions over the years
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: since Substack started.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can actually go back to like when I had a word,
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: when the Barbarian Book Club,
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: the pre-blackibis was on WordPress,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and I transferred almost all that stuff.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm saying is that like somebody like, I don't know, I don't know, name somebody.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck, I don't know.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Any of these guys on Substack, like Medgold, for example.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's got years of posting and years of content.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: If he calls me out, I will take the time to argue with him.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think we agree on almost everything.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know that.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know who Arthur is.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know who all these people are.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: But random dudes going, oh, you're fucking wrong, you stupid Satanist or whatever.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, dude, shut up.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody cares what your opinion is.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: For all I know, your name is freaking Ramjeet in fucking Bangladesh.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about you.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see that post that I've been throwing around now and again where it's...
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: No PFP Anons are the leaving the house in pajamas of Substack.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they are.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: You need to have a body of work.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to argue with me, you've got to put out.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to have a body of work.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just no longer interested in any of the random go-bys.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, if you're a random go-by, don't comment.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck off.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing is even for people that I do like, okay,
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: or like I do like we travel,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: you know, fellow travelers in the spheres of the Shire stack, right?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just because I have a question or I might not fully agree with
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: an established right wing based opinion does not mean that that thing is wrong.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: So what I'm trying to say is just because I have my doubts
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: about homeschooling Does not mean that your homeschooling is bad.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it does.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: As in, I have observed this through my personal experience.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, I would like to talk about this topic so you can make me feel better.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Calling me stupid or saying, well, that's not true.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's not a conversation, my dude.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't even answer the issues because that's not what I said.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I never said that homeschooling is bad.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: So what the did I say?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now, You guys know me.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: You and I have talked about schooling and education numerous times.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I've said it before that I am very in the middle.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I am very split on the idea of homeschooling.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because I truly believe that most people are retarded, right?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe...
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: That parents are mostly retarded and they're going to teach their children retarded shit.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: But then I also think teachers are mostly retarded and they're going
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: to teach their children retarded shit, right?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Can confirm.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Can confirm.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: So in my view is that you're better off learning from lots of retards
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: because you might find a good one than just one retard.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm simplifying my idea.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Before I do this,
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I need to fully, fully,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: fully explain, like, you know, it's kind of the skin in the game here thing, right?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of times,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: here's another huge problem with any conversation on Substack,
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: is that,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: you mentioned religion or how to live a Christian life or something like that,
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: and you've got 30 guys telling you that you're not based enough,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: you're a horrible Christian, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, bro, you don't even go to church.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I can name, like, Orthodox influencers or Roman Catholic influencers.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: What was that little bitch from like a few?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's a dude.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, he's a guy I blocked, right?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Who admitted to me.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: He was like arguing with me like Roman Catholicism versus Orthodoxy.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then he admits to me in like his private chat that he's not even
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: a Roman Catholic and he's never actually stepped in the Roman Catholic Church.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: He intends to, right?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Intense to.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Intense to.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not arguing with people about,
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: unless you can prove to me that you're actually like,
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: you go to church and you're a member of a church.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we ask.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: What church do you go to, bro?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: What church do you go to?
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you tell me and you prove it, I don't care.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're a fraud to me.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing with having kids.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: You have all these guys.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned anything about raising kids.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, I'm going to homeschool my kid.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, motherfucker.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: When you have a kid, let's see it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see it happen.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Alex, I'm going to send you this in Telegram.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm about to prove once and for all that I am actually Orthodox.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because I got this like two weeks ago and I was really excited about it.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: You probably can guess.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see what you got.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Please don't dox.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: But now forever, forever, you can now see I have the certificate, motherfucker.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hell yeah.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: He just shared his baptism and imprisonment certificate.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's got an address.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's got a date.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can go talk to that father and be like, hey, man.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: He goes to your church and he's going to be like, who?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: But like,
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: it's like those guys are like,
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: oh yeah,
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: man, I can't believe you let your wife talk to you like that or like you do that.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you're not married, are you?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I thought.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you don't have kids, right?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Also, you live at home with your parents and you work at like a diner, you know what I mean?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Or Walmart.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, like let's just shut up, you know, like I'm just not interested.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not interested in people's like, like theoretical ideas on things, you know?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Reality is observed, not prescribed.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I will, I will be honest about this, right?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I very, I was very pro homeschool and When my daughter became of age to be educated.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: First of all,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I personally think that the ideal form of school is the parent needs
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: to educate their kids.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: When I say I'm not homeschooling my daughter, that's actually a misnomer.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm telling you is that my daughter goes to a public school,
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: but I actually do 99% of the teaching because that is who's responsible
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: for educating your children.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: No matter how many teachers you have,
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: tutors or anything like that, ultimately the responsibility falls on the parent.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I taught my daughter how to read.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's where she reads at a sixth grade level right now as a third grader.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: I taught her how to do everything.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: I teach her how to do the math.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: I get the work from school.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I teach her.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: But she knows how to do this stuff before she even gets it.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, I started reading to my daughter before she was born.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: I started doing all that from the day she came out.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: When we first moved to South Carolina and she was at the preschool level and
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: the kindergarten level, right?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: The pre-K level, my wife started homeschooling.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: And after about a year,
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: and she did the mixed homeschool thing, mixed, where we bought like a program.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then she also was part of like the little co-ops and went on all these hikes
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: and like swamp missions and all this fun stuff and beach days and stuff.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it became very, very exciting.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was very clearly obvious that my wife was not suited for that.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: She did not like doing that very much.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: She did not like teaching.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not everybody's a teacher.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know very well that it takes a certain ... My wife is brilliant.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: She's amazing.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's a great mom and she has tons of patients that I don't.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just today, my daughter had a bunch of her friends over and she took them all to the pool.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, nope, I'm taking a fucking nap.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I did.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't, I don't have like that kind of patience.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I do have the patience to like sit down and teach.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: But of course I work full time and I,
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: the other person that doesn't have the personality for being homeschooled at loan
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: at home is my daughter.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's just, it was difficult.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was hard to separate them from like playtime to, you know, like work time.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So what I, the way we adjusted this, right.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: The way I was able to teach her stuff before she started formally going
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: to school was that I just, Kind of integrated everything into just every day.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I would constantly talk to her and ask her questions and teach her animals
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: and this kind of stuff.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about pre-K level and kindergarten level, right?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: She was reading by the time she started first grade and she was doing some writing
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: and she was doing some math and stuff.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, after that, we went to the next step, right?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is me being based in the head, right?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I just want the most base thing.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want my kid going to private school.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, public school like I did because,
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: it was ghetto and even my public schools are perfectly fine and I'm here
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm like,
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in the most liberal place ever, which is Southern California.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I went to the horrible Southern California schools, you know, in Long Beach, California.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: With freaking the guys from Sublime and all that shit, like roaming down the streets and stuff.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: And look at me, look at me.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a blue haired, trendy, gender, you know, or whatever.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm normal, right?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: And neither were all my friends that went with me.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: So just sometimes conservatives or like the MAGA hat types are just like fucking,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: they shoot themselves in the foot by,
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like overblowing, like common sense stuff, you know?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact,
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: like I said in the post,
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: some of the most shitlibby retards I've known were actually homeschooled
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: or church schooled people.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually the public school kids that ended up
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: the most based right-wing people in my experience, but that's just me.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways, we were like, okay, I got to do the base correct thing.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we found a private school that cost way too damn much money and I spent a lot
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: of money and my daughter hated it.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: The school sucked.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was a Montessori.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Every school that was basically a depository for rich kids on medications.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'd go to the little parent things and every parent is like this rich woman talking
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: about, like, oh, my little Maggie's taking her second dose of blah,
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: blah, blah.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, she's being held back the year.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then I met the kid and I'm like, the kid's normal.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: The kid's like a first grader.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doping up your kid for, you psycho?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll, and my wife and I were like the youngest parents there.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, and I'm not that young of a parent, my dude, I'm 43.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of the,
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: the idea of,
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: it was just like, dude,
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: this is,
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: this is no,
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: it was way, like,
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: I would rather like my kid go to like an inner city school than like that school,
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like that, that's the school that messes you up.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just, just straight up.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, kid.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're working in the mines.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and I I was also like just dumping like over a grand a month
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: on this place you know and I'm just like dude this is too much you know
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: so anyways we moved her to to to public school five minutes away from her house to
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: where my wife can walk her to school right and the public school is
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: the most amazing amazing experience she said she loved her first year there
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: and she likes this year too and all the neighborhood kids go to that school
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: and they all walk Home together and they all play together and it's like
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: the teachers are awesome.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: There are all these special kid programs for like, you know, smart kids.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: So she's in all the classes with all the other kids that can read,
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know, super advanced and can write super advanced.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: They have like STEM classes.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: They have sports, you know, they do all this stuff.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, dude, you know, that's great.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's my personal experience.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's not why I brought this up.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not like, oh my God, you should do what I do.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: The point of this is, and this is where we're going to go into the conversation.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, if homeschooling is done correct, I think it will work.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: If public schooling is done correctly, I think it works.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Why do I think it works?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because I'm here and I went to public school.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm awesome.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: I went to public school.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so did you, right?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: So obviously, and you're a public school teacher.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: So therefore you do believe it to a certain degree, right?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is it perfect?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Does it have problems?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: There's problems.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Are the problems determined by district, by location?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we live in a big, we live in a continent-spanning country, right?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can have two great, amazing schools next to a complete and total alternative school, right?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's all, the answer to almost everything is maybe.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, can private schools be amazing?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can private schools be absolutely awful?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Can Christian private schools be absolute turds?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean to alarm you.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean to alarm you, but they're full of sinners.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: So there's all these different things, right?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now, on top of that, Can homeschooling be great?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can homeschooling be absolutely abused by idiot parents?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is there some truth to the Is there some truth to the kind of like accusations
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: of anti homeschoolers that sometimes hyper conservative Christian people can
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: or any religion can kind of turn homeschooling to weird creep familial cult where
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: the kids don't really learn anything?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Alex, Alex, I got a kid like that.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: I got a kid like that last year.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: 14 year old, 14 year old young man.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Straight up illiterate, could not read.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: He said he was quote unquote homeschooled.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: And by that he meant I did absolutely nothing until I literally walked in the door this year.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: And to avoid this conversation because it's based to homeschool because you're
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: a fucking 20 year old on Substack and you just repeat things
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: without having real world experience is just retarded.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry to say that, you know, like you have to be honest, you know, about these things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I brought this is because, okay, listen.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody's listening to this podcast that knows me personally and knows
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: the people like at my church and stuff or in my,
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: like the area I live in is a very pro homeschool place, right?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: South Carolina has some great homeschool laws and there's a lot of homeschoolers, right?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's very interesting because a lot of times homeschooling gets portrayed
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: as being very conservative,
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: but in this area and in a lot of places and people that are homeschooled never want
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: to fucking admit this,
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: but they're really more granola,
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: crunchy, like shitlib than they actually are conservative.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: For every conservative Christian parent,
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of completely like Really annoying shitly be kind
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: of like homeschool parents.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what my wife and I encountered a lot of times down here.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, the guys are like, oh, you let your kids watch Mario movie?
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's a little bit too violent.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: And, oh, no,
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just make sure she doesn't eat her snacks at the birthday party
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: because I brought her home baked goldfish because the regular goldfish have toxins
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: in it, you know?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like your kid needs a little bit of toxins in their life.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: They can't be bubble boys forever.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I noticed.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, bringing up this topic, I'm going to lose some friends in real life.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to listen to this.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: My church and my immediate social group, there's all kinds of kids.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a good 50-50 split between the homeschool kids and the non-homeschool kids.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm generalizing here.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: You can kind of tell who are the homeschool kids and who are not
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: the homeschool kids, if you know what I mean.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Indeed.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: And
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: it feels like they're just, not intellectually, they're behind in
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: In a street sense, if that makes sense.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of the older ones, okay,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: so I was kind of a criminal type scumbag and it hung out with a lot
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: of criminal type people, right?
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know, some people put off this energy of being a mark, you know what I'm saying?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: You ever heard that term like, it's a mark ass bitch, right?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, like, like, You're going to get hustled.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: You give out that vibe.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Or you look like a tourist.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're an easy mark.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: You're an easy mark, right?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of these older homeschool kids I've encountered over the years, they have that vibe.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: You
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: know what I mean?
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: No street smarts.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: No street smarts.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they are going to get one shotted by the world.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so the reason I bring this up is because we're always talking
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: about like building communities, right?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot build separate communities.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: I am a hater of the idea of the, you know, the, the, what do you call it?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: The, the fucking, what was that?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: The, uh, what was that?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: The, the, the Jade diet, not Jay Dyer.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, What is that thing where you go or whatever and you build your little Christian community?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: What was that book called?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: The Cuck Dreyer wrote that book.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the Benedict option, the Benedict option, right?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the Benedict option.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's about basically like building your own,
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: like kind of like Christian community disconnected from it,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Christian homesteading.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is that?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Christian homesteading, granola Christian thing.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, you know, the whole like obsession with Amish.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, unfortunately,
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: there's,
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: there's way too many like new Orthodox converts that really just want to be Amish.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I just think that you should just go become Amish, you know, like,
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, guys.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: The Amish are up north in Pennsylvania and Ohio, not down
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: here in the south.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: I always want to laugh at how ridiculous some of the new Christian Orthodox converts look to me.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like you get these like Orthodox converts, right?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: And they come to church on Sunday and they, they look like a 19th century babushka, bro.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like the way they dress or the women like dress,
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: like they're like,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: like a peasant girl from like Siberia in the 19th century, you know?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then you have like the Russian or Ukrainian women that dress like they're going
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: to the club, right?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the 21st century,
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think what it is,
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: Alex, I think what it is, people see the beards and their brain just goes Amish.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this whole I'm like a peasant babushka vibe thing needs to go away, okay?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot go back in time, all right?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because then we might as well just dress like Peter and Paul and stuff
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: and start wearing robes and everything.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's ridiculous.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: What makes a religion viable is moving forward in the 21st century.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: Orthodoxy needs to be able to be in space.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it is in space because there's icons on the International Space Station, okay?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a future-looking religion.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's an eternal religion, right?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like this whole LARPing, like you're a babushka or whatever.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm picking on the Orthodox people because this is,
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: That reminds me of somebody who was posting a while back about how we need
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: a belief system that exists on a long enough timescale.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, well, eternity is a long time.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Have you considered any religions that exclusively deal with that?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's literally the whole fucking point.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, like, so anyways, like a lot of the homeschool thing is a fucking LARP.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because listen,
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: your kids are going to grow up and they're going to go to college or they're going
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: to get jobs, right?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're going to be exposed to the real world.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Part of our job as parents, as educators, is to prepare the children for the real world, right?
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I've noticed in a lot of the homeschool kids, they might be smart.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: They might be even smarter than the non homeschool kids, right?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: They might be more educated,
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: more intellectually prepared,
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: but they're not emotionally prepared to handle it because I see it with my own eyes
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: that like situations that like,
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to pseudo,
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: not pseudo dogs,
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm kind of,
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: if the person is listening to this, they're going to know what I'm talking about.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: There was recently a breakup between some young people in my, not like a romantic breakup.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: The reaction of one of the people to me was so out of proportion to the reality of
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: the situation that I was like, it's because they're homeschooled.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because like,
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: if I was in that position at that age and we're talking about adults here,
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: we're like, we're like young adults here.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, Oh, cool.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Next.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like it wouldn't even bother me.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: But the overreaction to it, like, I'm just like, Oh, it's cause you're homeschooled, you know?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you literally have an experience,
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: like you haven't experienced like the reality and the heartbreak and all this stuff.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's something to be said about being exposed to reality.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes being sheltered is not a good thing.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is our duty as parents to shelter our kids as much as possible from the evils of the world.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: But part of that is we have to expose them to it.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: We have to do the homeopathic medicine kind of thing.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: They do need to know about them.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: They do need to be prepared.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people are wrong.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you were to look at the most like right wing or like,
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and I'm not talking about conservative kind of right wing.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about like me and you right wing, right?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us actually come from very libertine families or very middle of the road, right?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: And that's because we were exposed to the stupidity and we lived around it
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: and we were able to You know, kind of identify it and see the evil in it.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then we had the immune response to it, right?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I've always felt from personal anecdotal experience.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I'm saying personal experience.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, I probably know more people than you, okay?
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not you, Fisto, but I'm talking about like...
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've spent decades in the military.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've lived all over the world.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I've met lots of people from different places because the military does that to you.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: So guys in the military or women in the military will tell you that we know a lot of people.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's so easy to tell kids that are homeschooled coming into the military.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're so out of their league.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's so wild.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: But
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've noticed that the very conservative kids that joined the military in the past,
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: or I've encountered before joining the military,
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: they get one-shotted by the real world, man.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: They become the biggest crazies.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: They sip on alcohol for the first time and it's just wilding out.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you see that in sorority culture and that kind of stuff where the people
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: that were just not exposed to it just can't handle it.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they have one beer and one blowjob and it's over.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: Which is why it's so important.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: For me, for example, some parents frown upon this, but I drink in front of my kids.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why wouldn't you?
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: I do it because I want to model proper drinking and adult behavior.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: But some parents are, oh, no, I don't drink it from my kids.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why not?
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Alcohol is real.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: It exists.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm laughing.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm laughing because my family, my family was so good at this.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: They modeled how not to drink properly in front of us.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it was made very clear the following morning that your uncle had
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: a little bit too much to drink last night.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not, and it was like, yeah, he was kind of dumb.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: He was kind of dumb.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was just, you know, it's fine.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because when you see your mom or dad or whatever drink properly,
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: drink well-controlled,
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: and you see their friends,
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: you're in a house with adults drinking,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: kids playing, kind of an overall mutual kind of joined world.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: A normal house.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right, a normal house.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: You have people over, everybody's having a good time.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: That kid,
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: when they go to the frat house when they're 20,
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to see a bunch of retards not knowing how to hold their liquor and go,
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: that's how my family was.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is not drinking.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to be like this.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is kind of gross.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how I was.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I was.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because I grew up with uncles and family drinking and being normal.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: When I was older, I was like, I don't want to hang out with a bunch of...
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like losers that don't know how to hold their liquor,
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: and like throw up over themselves and make scenes and stuff,
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like, I don't want to be that guy.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be around those people, you know, like that, that's not, that's not cool.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: same thing with like,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: like, I don't know, you just, you shouldn't, you should model proper behavior, but.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so that's what I said.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: I said that, like,
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not against homeschooling,
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: but there is a problem with,
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: if we are trying to build a world where,
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: our viewpoints,
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: our more right-wing viewpoints become the majority for this younger generation,
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: We have to address these issues.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: And how do we address the issues?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is, like, homeschooling a viable thing?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: How do we, like, you know, like,
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Think of all the things we hate about the left.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Think of all the things we
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: hate about the left.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the given ideas that are given,
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: how did you learn about them and how did you learn to reject them?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: You learned them because they were force-fed to you in entertainment
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: and public schooling and blah, blah, blah, or whatever.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: When they were first taught to you, they made sense.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the ideas that the left pushes actually makes a lot of sense on the surface.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be the bad guy.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who wants to be the person?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe in diversity.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's horrible.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Think about that on the surface.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: On the surface, all those ideas are good.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's their power.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: Their power is that they kind of make sense.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: All right?
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you realize that they're poison pills,
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: that underneath them is that that's not really what they're doing
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: or that's not really the point is or with it comes,
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know, there's complex issues tied to every one of those good feelings, right?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you can't know that until you experience the world, all right?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: And my fear is that if these kids are locked up in like these like kind
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: of like Chudstakistan kind of homeschooling kind of situations.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: When they do go out there,
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to be one-shotted by stuff that we were never one-shotted by
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: because we had 20 years of resisting it.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Little overcome from it.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I see.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: I see a lot of young people.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: They move out or whatever their parents are.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're in homeschool.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're in college now.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, They go from zero to super shit live instantly.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fine.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can lock up your kid past 20, but it's not going to happen.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: Your kids are going to hate you.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's not going to
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: work either.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to resent you.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: If they realize that you've told them that drinking alcohol is evil and stuff,
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: and they finally go to the city or they go to town,
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: and tons of people,
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: conservative and liberal,
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: are drinking beer and having a good time at a bar or whatever,
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: and they go, man, my mom was a retard.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying, right?
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like they become like resentful and then they like avoid everything.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're making me,
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: you're making me think of something that I discussed in class today with one of my,
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  SPEAKER_00: one of my students.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's particularly bright and is clearly into politics.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I'll meet her father and everything will be explained because it's
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  SPEAKER_00: that kind of kid,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, like clearly this is something that's discussed in the house.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, um,
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  SPEAKER_00: I was sharing with her that line from Nixon where if the president doesn't,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's not illegal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then immediately her eyebrow goes up because she's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: wait a second, that sounds like bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, wasn't he the guy that resigned because of what he did?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, yeah, but then Ford pardoned him.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's like, wait, how does that work?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about it,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's that reality thing where Like you were saying with the shitlib stuff,
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: don't you want to be a good person?
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no, no, you got to understand, kids, you straight up tell them, it's all a game.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: You guys know it's all a game, right?
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I even explained to her,
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: it actually made a lot of sense for him to pardon Nixon because at the end of
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: the day, you really can't be going after presidents for what they do in office.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then I started talking about democracy,
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  SPEAKER_00: death wobble,
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  SPEAKER_00: all the different things that happen when you go after the guy once he's out
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  SPEAKER_00: of office.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you might not like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you see,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is that like cognitive dissonance that I've been,
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: this is that cognitive dissonance that I've been highlighting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have to like it, but you're not allowed to be retarded about it.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like think it through, think it through, understand the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to like the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't even have to play the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't understand the game,
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  SPEAKER_00: You're going to get played by somebody who does,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is what you were just describing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what happens to kids.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's what happens to people when they get out there.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: You lie to them about how the world really works and then it slaps them in the face
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: and it's just, it's over.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: They just don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't know any better.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like I said, some of the most degenerate people I've known were
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ex-Mormons,
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: male and female that grew up in very conservative Mormon households
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  SPEAKER_01: and ended up moving and they just went buck wild, man.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Also, we are not all called to live monastic lives and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And part of our
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Part of our responsibility as adults towards children,
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: towards young children,
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  SPEAKER_01: specifically towards,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I think for the most part,
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: we do a good job with young children,
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: where we really fail as a culture, I think, both left and right.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: And for the most part, actually, the right fails more than the left.
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  SPEAKER_01: We fail at the teenage level.
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  SPEAKER_01: We fail at teaching young women how to become young women,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we fail at teaching young men how to become young men.
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  SPEAKER_01: Embracing,
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  SPEAKER_01: the left embraces all kinds of retarded ideas and fantasies,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, about like, you gotta be a boss girl and stuff.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're not getting sexually assaulted because of what you wear.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're getting sexually assaulted because you're a weaker person, because you're a woman.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not economic factors that are sexually assaulting you.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's Somali refugees or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the fantasies that the left ill prepares young women for.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think the fantasies on the right,
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is well said because it gets into something I keep thinking about
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  SPEAKER_00: and I'd like to bring it up at this point.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: But the fantasies on the right, Not unlike Trump.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're basically just 90s Democrats, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the women will go into the workforce and somehow be kind of men, but not really.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then men are just,
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: they're men that are not acting like women enough
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  SPEAKER_00: or like they're not friendly enough for women in public.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just weird.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's generally trying to create this Liberalism slop of the soul,
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  SPEAKER_00: where everybody's just kind of interchangeable.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, interchangeable.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of, I'm going to use a total shit-lib term, and people are going to get mad at me.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of performative masculinity on the right.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's really lame.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, the beard bro thing, and like, you know, everybody's a Navy SEAL operator.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_00: Shut up, dude.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think- Talk for a bit because I got to say goodnight to my daughter real fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no problem.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll go on my share of the rant here.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I think a lot of this, what is education for?
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's what education should be for.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there's what it is actually for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Education is meant to be about the production of mind, the cultivation of the soul, the
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: The creation of a person, the creation of a fire that burns for the whole life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of thing is beneficial,
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_00: especially from a Christian perspective,
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  SPEAKER_00: because it acts as a bulwark where the seeds that are planted in youth sprout later
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  SPEAKER_00: on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in many cases,
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: and certainly in my case and many other people I've spoken to,
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: it's the kind of thing that eventually pulls you out of the bullshit.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: So like education is about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: What education is for these days?
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  SPEAKER_00: And in my mind,
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: whenever I see discussions about homeschool or public school or private school
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  SPEAKER_00: or religious education, there's very little discussion about what it's all for.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, well, yeah, obviously you go to school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, for what?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know I'm right because I talk to tons of kids and the freshmen,
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: the first thing I ask is, hey, what do you want to do when you get out of here?
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  SPEAKER_00: And they, none of them have any idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: And some people might object and say, hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: they're only 14,
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: they're only 15, they're not supposed to know anything, which I say bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, they're virtually adults at this point.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they are entering a world where
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: they're going to have
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: to very quickly figure it out,
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: especially with the changes that are coming down the pipe.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everybody's talked about universities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how AI and all that kind of stuff is going to hollow out the universities.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are universities for now?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are colleges for now?
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  SPEAKER_00: What is learning even for?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are the jobs going to be?
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  SPEAKER_00: This and that and the other thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So really,
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: whether we decide to public school or homeschool or private school or whatever,
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: you have to say, the fuck are we doing this for in the first place?
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because right now we're just, we're doing what we've always done.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're just doing what we've always done.
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  SPEAKER_00: You go to school, you get the thing, you rack up the debt, you get a job.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a degenerate, decayed culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got to figure out what this is for again.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think a lot of people are having that conversation.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly not on the left, because it's all about just creating a giant bureaucracy.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then on the right, the right is just the left, but slower.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's the same bullshit.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's been very little...
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's been very little thought process on what's the future?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the point of the future?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we doing this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are we moving on?
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, guys, Fukuyama was wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: History did not end.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has restarted.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to figure out what the fuck you're going to do about that.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: We are not endlessly progressing from the Enlightenment up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we can regress.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of the things that we take for granted,
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's public education or any type of education and all these things,
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: they're very much anomalies or unique elements of the 20th century.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: Voting, for example, voting wasn't a thing until the 19th century.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: Really until the 20th century for the majority of people, right?
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: For the majority of people, exactly.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: This idea that old men have the right to vote for ages.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: we literally got the right to vote like 20 minutes ago,
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_00: and then you got it five minutes ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: and everybody's acting like it's always been that way.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, fuck off.
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  SPEAKER_01: No one hasn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: The ability to travel, all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not a given.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if you,
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: if you study history, like,
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: there's always a whole element of like, you know, it's not a fast collapse.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has the, you know, the daisy kind of fantasy of the collapse.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, empires fall slowly, you know, it's like, it's
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: also an organic give or take.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even the Roman empire,
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: like when, when, when, when,
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_00: when the battle of Tuttenberg forest happened and those legions were defeated
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: and basically Rome expansion stopped, that was under Augustus.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_00: The process of collapse had already begun before the empire was even a thing.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_00: These are big organic things.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can't It's not just, oh, and then they flipped off the lights and that was it.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: It takes time.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, you know, it's like one day nobody came to fix the aqueducts.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the truth of it.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: like little slow collapse,
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: you know, slow degeneration of things, slow changes of things.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not even that.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's one day nobody came to fix the aqueducts.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we dealt with it and it works pretty well for another hundred years.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then that guy died, you know?
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then the aqua would have collapsed and well, you know, then we had real trouble, but.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know,
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: if you're following a lot of like,
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the,
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_01: the stuff about like the Ukraine war in the,
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: in the U S military munitions supply and stuff, how,
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: we basically gave and wasted all our artillery munitions in like the first week of
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: The Ukraine thing going on.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we were supposed to rebuild them, but no factory knows how to rebuild the munitions.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Trump opened that factory in Texas, and it was going to fix the US Army's munition deficit.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: And in the last three years that it's been opened,
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: it hasn't been able to produce one artillery shell because nobody knows how
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: to do them anymore.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're watching a collapse of our tech sector right now because,
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: like, you know, have you seen how much an Xbox costs or any of this?
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's not astronomically priced, right?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're over $600 in some places because RAM is, nobody's trying to manufacture RAM anymore.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Holy smokes, Xbox Series X, $800 on Amazon.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: What is that horse shit?
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's double since I bought it, right?
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's doubled up in price.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And the steam box is like $1,200.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's because the RAM.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_01: The RAM is so expensive right now.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's no RAM anywhere.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And they can't build it fast enough.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the Chinese are trying to build RAM right now and do video cards and stuff.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Steam Machine 2 Tetrabyte, $2,300.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's unaffordable, right?
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm glad I play 20 year old games.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Splendid.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Until your Ram fries, you know, or like something.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not, it's not like, it's not even the company's price gouging or anything like that.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's the fact that it's a supply and demand issue with, with this Ram stuff.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing,
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: the video card Ram is though it's really,
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: that's really what's costing a lot of money.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And, um, Like, you know, we know we can't, we can't do it.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a level of incompetence where like these kind
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: of issues would have been fixed like 30 years ago,
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_01: and we're at the level where we just can't do things,
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and it's wild to me, right?
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So like, We do have to kind of change the way we approach it.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we doing it?
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are we just going through the 20th century LARP?
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing, right?
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: So much of what we do,
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm going to go off topic from, I think, the homeschooling thing, right?
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think you made a great observation, and I think you're right.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I just realized this,
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know how in our fashion right now,
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: all the,
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: all the,
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_01: all the Gen Z kids are basically LARPing us in the nineties where we're like,
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_01: we have like Limp Bizkit out here,
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: freaking, you know, getting down with the nookie and all this stuff.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody's wearing baggy pants and cargo shorts again.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've, uh, I've got my, I've, I've, I've, I've got my base at my classroom.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I literally had a kid say, Hey, do you know how I
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_01: play Nirvana?
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm back in high school.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of cool, though.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and then I did, and they were super impressed.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: But I also felt a secret sense of shame that nothing has moved on since I myself was
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: in high school.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually a good point, dude.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually a good point, right?
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So when I started to play guitar,
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_01: the first few things you play is you play Stairway to Heaven,
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmic slash Marilyn Manson.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: What else?
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's another song that everybody learns how to play?
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Smoke on the Water.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Sunshine of Your Love.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all those basics, right?
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's one the bass players have to learn.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_01: So what's the songs that all the new people know how to play now?
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like learn how to play?
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the same exact songs.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same songs.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same songs 30 years later, right?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, can you learn some Metallica?
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing else matters about Metallica.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody plays that one.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the one that everybody learns how to play guitar.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like...
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_00: At least I'm a noodler.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_00: At least I'm a noodler.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like I did all the jazz stuff, so I just...
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: I just ripped off some of these riffs and they're like, what the heck is that?
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, I just made that up.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're just like, it's like fucking pentatonic scale.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fifth pentatonic scale.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I just pulled it out of my ass.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Here's flat fifth, blow their minds.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've gotten to the point where we just LARPed the 20th century.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what we're doing.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're LARPing the 20th century.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is like a rehash of the 20th century.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: From the first Iraq war all the way to just everything.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: It feels very LARPy.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know...
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to break out of it.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that one of the main ways, though, is to be honest about things.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of why I was kind of irritated about the homeschool conversation
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: because it's like, listen, I'm not saying it's bad.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying that there are some issues that we need to address about it.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And how do we fix that?
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, a lot of this is we're LARPing the refugees in the 20th century
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_00: and we're just arguing about what gods we prefer.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it really is.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to have a discussion.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, you're God bad.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: My God good hit you with internet stick.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what it comes down to.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that such a huge part of the Substack discourse is between people
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: that have no experience with anything,
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: talking to people who have no experience with everything.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the BPD thing conversation we had a few weeks ago.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: You guys never even talked to.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be surprised if half those dudes even talked to women once in their life,
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: let alone had girlfriends and stuff.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Only on Substack.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Only on Substack.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've never talked to men.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Some of these people, I'm like, what planet do you live on?
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Your examples of the real world are so not realistic that it's just insane.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about the real world.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: All my friends went and saw The Odyssey.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen The Odyssey?
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have not.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: I will not.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: The answer is no.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, feel free to discuss it.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to admit some stuff real fast.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like The Odyssey.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: You mean like the Odyssey?
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't like the Odyssey.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like the real thing.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like the real thing.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's something...
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like Greek shit, okay?
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what I mean.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like the ancient Greek stuff,
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_01: it's always been like everybody's going to hate me, but it's just not my thing.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've always enjoyed the Roman shit, personally.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've always liked the Roman shit.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Me too.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like the Roman stuff.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I like the Egyptian stuff.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Egyptian stuff is cool.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean...
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: The podcast is named after Egyptian stuff, right?
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: The Black Ibis.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: I've always been into the Egyptian stuff.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: I remember like when I think it was like sixth grade where you learn about
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: the Greek stuff and like the Egyptian stuff.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's like your first introduction to.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And like the Greek stuff, I'm always like, Athena and Zeus.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just, I just, that was not my thing.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's some stuff.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Alex, that doesn't really surprise me, though, because you and I are very much about praxis.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're very much about the real world, much like the Egyptians and much like the Romans.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we're not like those BPD homo Greeks.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're not just stop.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I like this and shut up.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I like about the Greek myths and stuff and the Greek kind of stuff?
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like the whole Oracle of Delphi thing, you know?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_01: I like that,
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_01: like the Vestal Virgins in the temple with the oracles and stuff,
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and doing drugs.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Alexandru Great is pretty great.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_00: That whole thing.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's post-Greek stuff almost.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then I like Dionysus, Bacchus.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like the wine stuff.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: But for the most part, I've never liked the motif.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Particulate everybody.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's always cool.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just, you know, it's not my vibes, right?
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer the weird, like, Egyptian goth, you know, Land of the Dead kind of stuff.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Egyptians are basically ancient goths.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's what that is.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, I mean, you know, that's where a lot of the stuff comes from.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I also like, you know,
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: I like Celtic stuff, you know, like, I like, you know, like...
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm picturing like an 80s style sitcom about high school, but it's all like ancient era guys.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_00: And like there's the Pharaoh sitting alone at lunch by himself,
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: like dressed in eye shadow and everything.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then like the Roman guy like comes up to him and like knocks him over
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: and everybody laughs because he played a prank on the weird goth guy.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_00: But then the Greek guys like secretly do it or some shit.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't know.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: I did like the Xena movie.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Xena's a TV show when I was a kid.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, I guess maybe I do like Greek stuff.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: If that counts.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_00: You like Lucy Lawless stuff.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I like Lucy Lawless, yeah.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's what you like.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't like Greek stuff, you like Lucy Lawless stuff.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, if they did the Odyssey with Lucy Lawless in it, playing...
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's nobody hot in that movie.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I have no interest in seeing that movie for a million reasons.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Lucy Wallace playing Odysseus and being strapped to the mass and trying not to...
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_00: That would even work with Xena.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_00: That could just be Xena.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: It probably was an episode of Xena now that I'm saying that.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: She was probably strapped to the mast.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that actually happened.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: I would watch three hours of Lucy Laws strapped to the mast and mermaids.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: With Gabrielle holding her.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_01: With Gabrielle holding her.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ship it.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: With AI, you can now make this film.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Black Ibis original production.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Louis Lawless as Odysseus.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: But first of all, one of the main issues, I don't like Michael Nolan movies.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like Michael Nolan movies.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think all his movies are ugly.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I saw Dark Knight and I think that was all of them.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: You saw them all.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're all ugly.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_01: They all have the piss filter.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're all that ugly piss filter.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_01: It just drives me nuts.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Why is everything so ugly?
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why is everything so ugly?
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to spend three hours watching ugly shit.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't want to.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Gotham is supposed to be ugly.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_00: You see Gotham once, you're like, okay, why does it look like Gotham?
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_00: You've got to contrast the
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: ugliness with
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_01: With something hot to look at.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I need that in my life.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Gotham's ugly, but it's supposed to be like Art Deco or Art Nouveau style.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: The cartoon did it so well.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tim Burton's Batman did it well.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Tim Burton's Gotham was ugly,
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: but then you had Michelle Pfeiffer-esque Catwoman and now it's hot.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, what you got to do next is after we redo the Odyssey,
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_00: We can do Batman with Lucy Lawless as Catwoman.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_01: But she's too old.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_01: We have to bring her back.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_00: The miracle of AI, my friend.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing about the Odyssey and all these movies,
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: people go, oh, how come young people are not interested in these movies?
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because, okay, every single person in that movie is a goddamn geezer, okay?
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_01: What's her name?
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's her name?
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_01: The most boring, unsexy actress of all time.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Odysseus' wife that was playing that.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: The Michael Nolan cast as Catwoman and everybody, and I can't stand her.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_00: She was in Double Wear's Prada.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, her.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_01: She exudes negative sex appeal.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is about her.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: She's older than me, bro.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's older than you.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_01: She's a geezer.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're running out of movie stars, man.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Odysseus is who Matt Damon.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Matt Damon was a, was a movie star, a young movie star when I was like freaking seven years old.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like all these guys are old as right now in a generation before I was like in
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: the diehard era, you know, Bruce Willis was like 32 when he made diehard.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: So he was like, I got to check something here real quick.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Keep going.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I think, I think that I'm looking up how old Ryan Gosling is.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like in his 50s,
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: isn't he?
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's 45.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's 45.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's still older than me, bro.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's older than me.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: My point is,
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_00: in like 10 years,
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_00: they're going to have to clone that dude because he's going to be the only guy left.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, are we like...
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Who wants to go see a movie with a bunch of geriatrics running around?
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I do not.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing interesting about that.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see these people.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because it becomes at a point where they've become so fake looking.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Guys like Brad Pitt are genetically gifted and they're still super attractive
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_01: in their older age.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, he looked great in that movie.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's like 50 or something.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: But there comes a point where now we're pushing it, guys.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Brad Pitt is 62.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, come on, bro.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's only so much you can do.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see old people, dude.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're being choked by, once again, 20th century LARPing.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: We can't get rid of these 20th century stars.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're all like geezers from back in the day.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing new.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same old shit over and over.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm tired of it.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm tired of the piss filter.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of everything looking ugly.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I said this on Substack.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I blame Saving Private Ryan as the first movie that did that
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: because you can contrast the way Normandy looks to the way it looks in that movie
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_01: and everything.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Here's one thing that really bothers me.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Just because a war is going on
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't mean everything is pissed colored.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I hate these war movies, right?
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where everything looks all like washed out,
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like the Saving Private Ryan did it, right?
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Everything looks like a fucking documentary on the History Channel, right?
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's because it's the boomer brain thing
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_01: of having all those World War II footage, right?
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like the black and white footage.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we are like our brains, like they'll see black and white and we like see World War II.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: So every movie is It has to look kind of like that to take it seriously.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Even movies like American Sniper and movies about Afghanistan
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: or Iraq have this washed out kind of piss tint to everything.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_00: And the truth is the real world- It's a really colorful, really
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_01: colorful war movie.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like colors look real happy.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_01: When I was in Afghanistan, there was poppy fields everywhere.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: And there was snow covered mountains in the distance and
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: the sky was this beautiful bright blue.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's beautiful and bright?
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Blood.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the irony of it.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know what looks really sexy?
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Attack helicopters.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they're usually painted like a really cool green and stuff.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the irony of war is that it's horrendous, but it's also kind of beautiful.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: A movie that really captured that is, I think, Apocalypse Now.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: The Coppola's Apocalypse Now.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't piss wash everything.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't washed over and gross.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_01: The jungle was a very vibrant emerald green.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: If that movie was made today, it would be gray.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: They'd make the jungle gray somehow and boring looking.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's flowers.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if that's just a post-war thing for boomers because War Bad, War Over Forever.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we got to make sure that it looks like it's in the past.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you made it look like how it actually looks,
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_00: people might be like, that's pretty cool.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_00: We should go do that.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not cool.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look at pictures of the beaches of Normandy at the same time of year as
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: the D-Day invasion.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And compare it to Saving Private Ryan.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, that looks nothing like that.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like the ocean's blue.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually more horrible in a way.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot more horrible to die in a beautiful place, right?
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the ending to Red Dead Redemption.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_01: The whole...
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_01: The whole meme on Instagram.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's something I think about.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right, guys.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good thought.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good thought, man.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, just make things beautiful and sad at the same time.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, that's kind of the thing.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like life.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like life, right?
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: The ending to the...
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to read it.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's actually an American writer,
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: an essayist,
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: he said he recommends in this corner of the world,
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_01: it's an anime about Japan during the war and how it shows kind of the beautiful life
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: while even a war was going on.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually really an anime.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen it and it's pretty amazing.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys, so that's it for tonight.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Next week, we will be back.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get this episode ready and posted probably by Friday morning for everybody.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you don't forever hate me for daring to criticize homeschool.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm not making a decision on either or.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just think that it's one of those, I have noticed.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I am raising a question,
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_01: and the question is,
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_01: If we lock away our children and don't expose them to the stupidity
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: the real world,
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_01: how are we going to prepare them when they go out into the real world?
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And another kind of thought I had,
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_01: which I forgot to mention,
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: but I want to mention real quick is one of the most important things I learned as
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_01: a student in public school, right?
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I learned this very early on and probably by middle school,
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_01: is that some of my teachers were retards.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I was smarter than that, right?
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they were wrong.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_01: They were wrong, you know?
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I learned how to respectfully question them or to accept them being wrong.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a very important lesson that you learn is that, you know what?
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_01: This person is wrong, but they have authority over me.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to kind of smile and nod, right?
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that sounds like, oh, well, I'm an anarchist.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: I would never bend a knee.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, sometimes you have to in a way.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to smile and nod and be like, yeah, okay.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you control my life for the next six months.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just going to smile and nod and do what you say, you know, to a certain degree, right?
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And sabotage you every step of the way, right?
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or sometimes I will argue with you.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Or sometimes like you might have a teacher that is smart or is
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: a very intellectual teacher and But they might be wrong on one topic, right?
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a very important thing to have to learn that just because somebody is
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_01: an authority doesn't mean that they're correct.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_01: And how do you learn that?
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_01: If your mom is your teacher?
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually kind of that's kind of damaging in a way.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's it's very important for you to disagree with an authority figure.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Intellectually, right?
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: And like, it's almost like, sometimes like, I have a mouth on me.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys noticed this.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was probably a very slappable preteen and teenager.
• 1:30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Spoiler.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Alex, they all are.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was extra.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: There were certain teachers that I believe despised me with a passion.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of teachers that loved me with a passion.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's teachers that hated me to the point where they would try to sabotage me.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's one in my senior year of high school.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's funny.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's a valuable lesson to learn.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you've got to mouth off.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_01: In the military,
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_01: when I was a young little baby ox in the military,
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: I learned that I'm going to talk back to some of these motherfuckers,
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and I'm going to get, I'm going to get smacked around for it.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I, I did, you know, I just, you know, I did it.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I learned that if I, if I, if I talk back, well, I better be good.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_01: I better, I better be better than this dude.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: that means when I,
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_01: when we both get called into the, the,
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: the major's office because,
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I'd better be like, hey, this is why I'm better than this guy.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Give me his job or something like that.
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_00: In some ways, too,
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_00: kids have to realize that in some cases,
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_00: that's how you actually gain the respect of an elder.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_00: You mouthed off.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: I smacked you around and you took it.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now I know you're not a little wimp.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: You can actually take it.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Now I know you're worth showing the real stuff there.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_01: And how do you do that in a homeschool environment where your mom is...
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the person you're supposed to look up to and also learn from.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I think.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can dad do that?
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Can dad do that?
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: But then the thing is, though, you have to lose.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_01: You have to lose respect for this figure.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_00: The respect.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't lose that for your.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what leads a lot of like.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to like get to this point where like,
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: oh man, this person's a really great teacher, but they're just wrong about this.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Unless they're absolutely wrong.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then deep down,
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: that's when you realize that like,
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: it's kind of like when you realize when like, man, I can beat up my dad.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like every boy gets to this point where like,
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know, you get to this point where you're like, you know what?
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_01: I can wreck this guy.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can wreck this dude.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_01: It just comes to this point.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Or it might not even be like,
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_01: I can wreck this guy,
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_01: but I can hold my own against him now, so I'm not afraid of it anymore.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_01: I can hurt him back.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: I can make him regret coming at me.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Once you do that, man, it changes everything.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the problems with homeschooling.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that who...
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_01: When you get to intellectual level, who do you go to?
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because I remembered that I realized that very early on about a lot of my teachers.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're just there for the job and they're just not that smart.
• 1:33:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I would go home and talk to my dad about him and he'd be like,
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: yeah, they're fucking retards or you read this book instead or something like that.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: So they actually made me respect my dad even more.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_01: or like I would learn something in school and then he'd be like, let me,
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_01: he's like,
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_01: let me clarify this for you and give you the truth,
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: you know, or, or,
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: he'd draw some like Eastern European wisdom on me,
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and dispel, dispel like the, the stupidity that of like, you know.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the homosexuals are leading you wrong, Alexandru.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let me clarify.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Basically.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, oh, stupid American.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is stupid.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, and I'm like, oh, I see.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good perspective.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, or he would hand me like some KGB manual or something.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Igor.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, but yeah, like,
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_00: we don't ask those questions.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the thing, though, right?
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: That is the thing, right?
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you don't have that in the homeschool environment, right?
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Or you don't have, like,
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I bet you,
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure I can guarantee that there's some students that like you
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_01: over other teachers and confide in you about how they're not happy
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: with another teacher.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or so-and-so said, this guy's
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_01: like, you know?
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you need that.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: You need that environment.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think the variety is key.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you just can't have that in a...
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: One-on-one homeschool kind of environment,
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: even the co-op environment,
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: because they're so united in their teaching style and they're so the same thing,
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know?
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_00: what's fun to think about,
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_00: what's fun to think about too,
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_00: is how they navigate when another teacher asks which teacher is their favorite
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_00: and they're thinking of me and not them.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because I can guarantee there's at least a couple of teachers who really dislike me
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_00: because of that.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_01: You need a Snape,
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: you need a Dumbledore, you need a Professor McGonagall or whatever her name is.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Team Snape, baby, let's go.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's important.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's heartbreaking when you realize Snape is right.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Killing Dumbledore is
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_00: totally the right call.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely needed to be done.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I don't know.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's some thoughts.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that it's important to have these,
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: even though we think that we're not going to live
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_01: on based Amish Christian nationalist camp, guys, with our BPD art hoes.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just live in the real world.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_00: The real world's not that bad.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever the internet tells you, it's not that bad.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Good night.
• 1:36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for tuning in.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: For all you guys listening at home on the regular...
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was wonderful.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Please, for all you guys that are listening live right now and in the future,
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: please like, share, and subscribe.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Something about the algorithm on Substack has just stopped working.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think Notes just turns everything into a follow instead of a subscription,
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: which is lame, I think.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: And really just,
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: it would do us a huge favor if you hit like and then,
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: you know, Share this episode and say, hey, I listened to this episode.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate it.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: I really liked it.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Or Alex is a retard and he doesn't like homeschoolers or something like that.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or hey, I watched Pluto because Alex recommended it in this episode.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: You should listen to this podcast.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_01: I would really appreciate that.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_01: It helps us out a lot.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really give me anything except – I like the French.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like baguettes and croissants.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Baguettes and le croissant.
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_01: And eclairs.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed this conversation, guys.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_01: I highly recommend watching Pluto.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would love it if you guys watch it and we can talk about it next week.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_01: YouTube Fist, don't watch it if you have nothing to watch.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I will.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_01: The second season of Netrunners comes out next month.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to be exciting.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to do an episode just on that.
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_00: Second season of Edgerunners, you mean?
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Edgerunners, yeah.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Edgerunners, yeah.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I meant.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Why do I always mess up the title of that show?
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll do an episode a week analysis of Edgerunners.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_00: I hope it's good, man.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_00: I hope it's good.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_00: First season is perfect.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's done by the same people, so it's going to be good.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_01: The Japanese can't fail us.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_01: The Japanese don't fail us at all.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, doing a week-to-week with Edgerunners might be really fun.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, doing some Edgerunners episodes.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, watch Pluto, man.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_01: It'll blow your mind.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even joking.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_01: It'll blow your mind.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Your wife will like it too.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_00: I got a long weekend coming up, so I'll suggest it.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you watch the first episode and you don't cry, you're not human.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_01: You might be less than a robot.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the saddest thing ever.
• 1:38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll warn you guys.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Good night.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll see you next week.
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Same time.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have the episode pre-posted like usual so you guys can join.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I really appreciate it.
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Good night.
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Have sweet dreams.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are amazing.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And enjoy it.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Hathaway is the name I'm thinking about.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Garbage.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Good night.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Good night, guys.