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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's your old pal Josh for this week's select.
- 0:03Speaker 1: I've chosen Does the body replace itself every seven years?
- 0:07Speaker 1: Sounds like a medical episode, and it kind of is.
- 0:10Speaker 1: But after a little while it turns into a brainbuster
- 0:12Speaker 1: of a head scratcher of a philosophical bent that I
- 0:15Speaker 1: think you're gonna love. I hope you enjoy the living.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Heck out of it.
- 0:24Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
- 0:33Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with
- 0:36Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant and guest producer.
- 0:38Speaker 2: Nol Knowle's in the house.
- 0:41Speaker 1: It's the it in the new studio. Yeah, man, this
- 0:45Speaker 1: place is comfy, cozy. I like it.
- 0:47Speaker 3: I wish I'm I don't know, I wish there was
- 0:49Speaker 3: a chair version of a waterbed.
- 0:52Speaker 1: I know this is a napish little place.
- 0:54Speaker 3: Yeah, especially today, I think I'm dragging all apologies.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. So if we're talking kind of slow
- 1:02Speaker 1: or low, or we just stopped talking for a little while,
- 1:05Speaker 1: it's we're as tired.
- 1:07Speaker 2: Yeah, bumped into you at the Hawks game last night.
- 1:10Speaker 1: I know, Hey, how many is that?
- 1:11Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, just at the bump in yep.
- 1:15Speaker 1: We were both at the Hawks gaming and the Hawks.
- 1:16Speaker 3: One didn't even know we were going. Look over in line,
- 1:20Speaker 3: there's Josh and Yumi. Yeah that's great. There's Chuck and Eddie.
- 1:24Speaker 3: Yep in an arena of eighteen thousand bumping into someone?
- 1:31Speaker 2: Is that it?
- 1:31Speaker 1: That's all it holds?
- 1:32Speaker 2: I think it's something like that. It's a good lot
- 1:35Speaker 2: of people.
- 1:35Speaker 1: It's a good arena.
- 1:36Speaker 2: Yeah. But you had box seats because you're special.
- 1:38Speaker 1: They were free out.
- 1:40Speaker 2: Mine were free to in. The nose bleeds.
- 1:43Speaker 1: I liked just about every seat in that place.
- 1:45Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not too bad. I was.
- 1:46Speaker 3: I was laughing about the nosebleeds going in, But then
- 1:50Speaker 3: I got up there.
- 1:51Speaker 2: I was like, this is great. Yeah you can see everything.
- 1:53Speaker 1: Did you nose actually bleed just twice?
- 1:56Speaker 3: Yeah, once out of its sheer excitement and then once
- 2:00Speaker 3: from the altitude and that was more of a spray,
- 2:03Speaker 3: rightah yeah.
- 2:05Speaker 1: Just covering everyone that was like go Hawks.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Boy, what a weird intro.
- 2:09Speaker 1: It's a little weird, but I mean it kind of
- 2:13Speaker 1: jibes a little bit because we're talking. Yeah you're mentioning blood.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Sure, it was shedding cells and blood.
- 2:20Speaker 1: You were like, blood is made up of cells and
- 2:23Speaker 1: we shed tons of cells. But before we get to that, right,
- 2:26Speaker 1: there's the fact that the podcast you shed cells. I
- 2:30Speaker 1: want to mention this one thing I read. Yeah, it's
- 2:33Speaker 1: called I think the title of the article is the
- 2:36Speaker 1: Self is Moral. It's about like where we get our
- 2:38Speaker 1: identity of self from, like where it's rooted. It was
- 2:42Speaker 1: written by a person named Nina Stromyer. I believe it
- 2:45Speaker 1: was on AON magazine. Yeah, just type in the self
- 2:48Speaker 1: is Moral aon it'll come up.
- 2:50Speaker 2: I'll get you there.
- 2:52Speaker 1: Uh. And towards the beginning, the author says, there's this
- 2:59Speaker 1: very famous philosophical exercise, which you know, philosophers love to do,
- 3:03Speaker 1: like mental exercises.
- 3:04Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's all they hashened.
- 3:06Speaker 1: So imagine you have like a kind of imagine you
- 3:10Speaker 1: have like a ship, right, like a boat. Yeah, a
- 3:13Speaker 1: nice Yankee clipper, okay, okay. And this Yankee clipper is slowly,
- 3:19Speaker 1: over time kind of salvage for parts. But rather than
- 3:23Speaker 1: just being stripped, like every time a part is taken out,
- 3:26Speaker 1: it's replaced, and then over the course of like fifty
- 3:30Speaker 1: one hundred years, is each plank, as each bolt, as
- 3:33Speaker 1: each like mast head, even the thing. The carved lady
- 3:37Speaker 1: in front eventually just gets replaced with something else.
- 3:41Speaker 2: Yeah, a new carved lady that speaks of the time.
- 3:44Speaker 1: Right, you know? Is it still though, after every single
- 3:48Speaker 1: part has been replaced, the same ship that it was before?
- 3:52Speaker 2: Yeah? I see what you mean. I don't think that
- 3:55Speaker 2: can be possible.
- 3:58Speaker 1: Why not, especially if it has the same name and
- 4:01Speaker 1: it's the same ship in the same place as before.
- 4:03Speaker 1: It was just slowly, over time moved out. True, where
- 4:08Speaker 1: does the self lie?
- 4:10Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, man, Like redoing a house,
- 4:13Speaker 3: same thing, Yeah, I mean, like they saw the floors
- 4:15Speaker 3: and the walls and the windows, Like, when does it
- 4:18Speaker 3: cease to become that same house that was built in
- 4:21Speaker 3: nineteen thirty exactly.
- 4:22Speaker 1: Isn't that cool?
- 4:23Speaker 2: Yeah? It is really cool.
- 4:24Speaker 1: And the reason that it applies to this episode is because,
- 4:26Speaker 1: over the course of your lifetime, a significant portion, pretty
- 4:32Speaker 1: much all of the cells in your body are going
- 4:35Speaker 1: to be replaced. Yeah, so that the person even after
- 4:41Speaker 1: you reach your adult self. Yeah, physically, by the time
- 4:46Speaker 1: you die, assuming you're gonna die much later, you are
- 4:51Speaker 1: essentially a different person, at least on the cellular level.
- 4:55Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty seven trillion cells.
- 4:58Speaker 1: Ish that's how many we have.
- 5:00Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they estimate. And I did a little
- 5:03Speaker 2: looking into.
- 5:03Speaker 1: Lifespans, like an estimate.
- 5:07Speaker 2: Thirty seven trillion. Yeah, what do you want like to
- 5:09Speaker 2: like give or take?
- 5:10Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a little research into lifespans just because
- 5:14Speaker 3: this all sort of comes back to like your death basically,
- 5:19Speaker 3: because that's all death is, is your your cells, you know,
- 5:23Speaker 3: dying little by little.
- 5:26Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean if you think about it, Chuck,
- 5:28Speaker 1: one of the things that.
- 5:29Speaker 2: Like why do we die?
- 5:30Speaker 3: If our we'll get to all that, Oh okay, but
- 5:33Speaker 3: it's intriguing, you know it is it started, you know,
- 5:36Speaker 3: questions started popping up. So apparently we gained about three
- 5:39Speaker 3: months every three months of life humanity every year that
- 5:45Speaker 3: we progress.
- 5:47Speaker 1: Like the average life span spans by three months.
- 5:50Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you were born in twenty twelve, the
- 5:52Speaker 3: average lifespan is now and this is the United States,
- 5:55Speaker 3: is seventy eight point eight. If you were born in
- 5:58Speaker 3: nineteen oh one, it was about forty seven and fifty
- 6:00Speaker 3: years for men and women respectively. But if you look
- 6:04Speaker 3: at the ratio, it's still about three months. Despite all
- 6:07Speaker 3: our technologies, three months a year, every year, every year.
- 6:13Speaker 1: Just slowly creeping along.
- 6:14Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think the article it was like when
- 6:16Speaker 3: we're going to live to be one hundred by average,
- 6:19Speaker 3: and they say by the year twenty one hundred, if
- 6:21Speaker 3: things hold, then the average human or American will be
- 6:25Speaker 3: about one hundred years old.
- 6:26Speaker 1: I thought that, so I guess that will if things
- 6:29Speaker 1: are steadily progressing. I had heard that like our generation
- 6:32Speaker 1: would be either the last or the first, the last
- 6:36Speaker 1: to not hit triple digits or the first two on average. Yeah.
- 6:41Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess these are all gases, you know, so
- 6:44Speaker 3: who knows. Plus if you believe in like things speeding science,
- 6:51Speaker 3: speeding up?
- 6:51Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that? Moore's law?
- 6:53Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that it? Yeah, applied to computers, so in
- 6:56Speaker 2: that case.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Right, right, but I mean you cantend it other stuff.
- 7:00Speaker 3: Yeah, then you might think, you know it's it's but
- 7:03Speaker 3: you know, they say it's not increasing like that.
- 7:06Speaker 2: No, at least not so far.
- 7:07Speaker 1: Moore's law is exponential growth just adding three months every
- 7:10Speaker 1: year's yeah, non exponentials geometric. I think we're still at
- 7:15Speaker 1: non exponential growth definitely. Yeah, we're just adding three months. Yeah,
- 7:20Speaker 1: it's not bad though, that's pretty good average every four years.
- 7:23Speaker 3: It's an extra year, yeah, well, and it's interesting to
- 7:26Speaker 3: think about. You know, people that were born you know,
- 7:28Speaker 3: a lot of our colleagues like eight years behind us,
- 7:32Speaker 3: are going to live an average of.
- 7:34Speaker 2: Two years longer.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems unfair, sad.
- 7:39Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, what did they do to.
- 7:41Speaker 1: Observe that we're we're thinking about our own deaths today? Yeah,
- 7:47Speaker 1: and chuck that there's this rumor theory, legend maybe okay,
- 7:54Speaker 1: that your body regenerates itself ninety percent of your body
- 7:58Speaker 1: regenerates itself every year.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Yeah that's not true.
- 8:02Speaker 1: No, it's not true, but it was a very long
- 8:04Speaker 1: standing rumor, and it was actually based on science. Yeah,
- 8:07Speaker 1: you know, not just the idea that, oh yeah, ourselves regenerate.
- 8:10Speaker 1: So back of the envelope estimate is that, you know,
- 8:14Speaker 1: we regenerate ninety five or ninety eight percent of ourselves
- 8:16Speaker 1: every year. It was early experimentation by injecting radioactive isotopes
- 8:23Speaker 1: into human beings, yeah, and then following their course and
- 8:26Speaker 1: then making estimates based on that led to this idea.
- 8:30Speaker 3: It's called pulse labeling, is it. It's like tagging an
- 8:33Speaker 3: animal in the wild basically.
- 8:34Speaker 1: Right, but you're just tagging a cell.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 8:37Speaker 1: The specific types of cells.
- 8:38Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't do that to humans anymore. No, it's
- 8:41Speaker 3: very animals. I think it's a very dumb thing to do.
- 8:43Speaker 2: Sure, injecting radiation exactly.
- 8:45Speaker 3: Yeah, unless, of course, you know it's radiation treatment that's true,
- 8:50Speaker 3: which is still a really weird thing if you think
- 8:52Speaker 3: about it.
- 8:52Speaker 1: It's Yeah. I have a feeling it's gonna be like
- 8:54Speaker 1: one of the things we look back on.
- 8:56Speaker 2: As like a primitive treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope so.
- 9:00Speaker 1: But there was this long standing science for decades or
- 9:04Speaker 1: this idea, scientific idea that we regenerated ourselves by ninety
- 9:08Speaker 1: five ninety eight percent. Finally, and I think two thousand
- 9:11Speaker 1: and five there was a a researcher named doctor Jonas Friesen.
- 9:20Speaker 1: He's Swedish.
- 9:21Speaker 2: Dude's awesome.
- 9:22Speaker 1: He said, this whole urban legend is really bringing me down.
- 9:27Speaker 1: I want to figure out a way to really track
- 9:31Speaker 1: how often the human body regenerates itself.
- 9:35Speaker 3: Yeah, and the biggest question has been the brain, specifically
- 9:40Speaker 3: the cerebral cortex and the heart and the heart muscles.
- 9:45Speaker 3: I mean, they want to know all this stuff, but
- 9:47Speaker 3: those were the two biggest mysteries.
- 9:48Speaker 1: I think, right, there's still the mysteries, but if you
- 9:51Speaker 1: went back to prior to two thousand and five, in
- 9:53Speaker 1: doctor Friesan's research, it was all a mystery. Yeah, he
- 9:56Speaker 1: figured out. He basically put a very act curate time
- 10:00Speaker 1: stamp on how often human tissue and human cells regenerate themselves. Right,
- 10:06Speaker 1: So the way he did this is very clever. For
- 10:10Speaker 1: a long time, botanists knew that the trees around the
- 10:15Speaker 1: world contained a spike of carbon fourteen radiation.
- 10:21Speaker 2: Yes, thanks to humans and nuclear bombs.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Exactly from nineteen fifty four to nineteen sixty three, tree
- 10:27Speaker 1: rings for tree growth around the world show a big
- 10:32Speaker 1: spike in carbon fourteen. Carbon fourteen is naturally occurring too,
- 10:36Speaker 1: So like just cosmic rays from the sun bombarred Earth's
- 10:40Speaker 1: atmosphere and create radioactive isotopes by knocking electrons from particles
- 10:46Speaker 1: in Earth's atmosphere, right, those radioactive particles become carbon fourteen,
- 10:53Speaker 1: which is radioactive, and in the atmosphere, carbon fourteen binds
- 10:57Speaker 1: to oxygen and creates carbon dioxide, which comes to Earth.
- 11:02Speaker 1: Every living thing breathes this stuff in, whether it's a plant,
- 11:06Speaker 1: whether it's a human like we just have see fourteen
- 11:10Speaker 1: in our bodies.
- 11:11Speaker 3: We also eat plants exactly contain the sea fourteen besides
- 11:15Speaker 3: breathing it in.
- 11:15Speaker 1: And we also eat the animals that eat the plants
- 11:18Speaker 1: that in just see fourteen. Right, So like we got
- 11:22Speaker 1: carbon fourteen in our bodies, that's right. But because of
- 11:28Speaker 1: the spike in carbon fourteen that was introduced to the
- 11:31Speaker 1: atmosphere from nuclear testing, there is a spike in humans
- 11:38Speaker 1: as well. So you can roughly age like a human
- 11:41Speaker 1: compared to another human if they were born in say
- 11:46Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, and one who was born in nineteen
- 11:48Speaker 1: seventy after there was that spike of carbon fourteen had
- 11:52Speaker 1: gone away. Right, that's pretty cool. But what doctor Friesen
- 11:56Speaker 1: did is even cooler. He basically went back to those
- 12:00Speaker 1: tree trunks, those tree rings that show a spike in
- 12:03Speaker 1: carbon fourteen, and created a calendar of carbon fourteen decay
- 12:10Speaker 1: and basically said, okay, on this date, this is how
- 12:15Speaker 1: much carbon fourteen was on Earth. And if I take
- 12:20Speaker 1: this cell and compare it, knowing that carbon fourteen decays
- 12:23Speaker 1: at a constant rate, I can tell you exactly how
- 12:27Speaker 1: old this cell is exactly. And he used it to
- 12:31Speaker 1: date cells and tissues and all sorts of cool stuff.
- 12:34Speaker 3: Yeah, he was He went looking for a marker, and
- 12:37Speaker 3: he found one due to our atomic testing program, which
- 12:41Speaker 3: is pretty weird. You just released all that junk in
- 12:44Speaker 3: the atmosphere and now all these years later it has
- 12:47Speaker 3: a nice use.
- 12:48Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it does.
- 12:50Speaker 3: So we now know when we're going to die, right
- 12:53Speaker 3: sort of. And the reason he was able to use
- 12:55Speaker 3: this as a marker, Chuckers, is that when you take a.
- 13:00Speaker 1: Breath of life, your first breath of life, that's right,
- 13:04Speaker 1: and you get some you get some of that C
- 13:06Speaker 1: fourteen into your DNA, and a steady amount stays in there,
- 13:11Speaker 1: like you don't keep ingesting C fourteen as far as
- 13:14Speaker 1: I understand, as far as your DNA goes, Oh okay,
- 13:17Speaker 1: once it's in your DNA, as your cells divide, that
- 13:22Speaker 1: original amount becomes divided evenly. So the less C fourteen
- 13:27Speaker 1: that's in tissue, the older that cell line is. Where
- 13:32Speaker 1: then the younger the actual cells are. Right, Is that right?
- 13:36Speaker 3: I think so, which would mean the new cell the
- 13:39Speaker 3: marker would be a fresh batch of the C fourteen.
- 13:43Speaker 1: No, it have less C fourteen.
- 13:45Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, let's say you have because the cell divided, yes, exactly, Yeah.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Like you have ten grams of C fourteen, which you don't.
- 13:53Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that would be. Like. Let's say
- 13:56Speaker 1: your your one cell that's never divided has ten Yeah,
- 13:59Speaker 1: when it into two, it's each of those two cells
- 14:02Speaker 1: is going to have five grand and then two and
- 14:05Speaker 1: a half, and then one point seventy five and so
- 14:07Speaker 1: on and so on. So since you know that C
- 14:10Speaker 1: fourteen is generated at a constant rate, you know that
- 14:13Speaker 1: it decays at a half life of fifty seven hundred
- 14:15Speaker 1: and thirty years, you can look at the amount of
- 14:21Speaker 1: C fourteen and then also the decay of it as well. Yeah,
- 14:25Speaker 1: you can date things that are no longer living too,
- 14:28Speaker 1: to see when the when they ingested that C fourteen.
- 14:31Speaker 3: Was Yeah, he's a little like a bingo card. He
- 14:33Speaker 3: just from the calendar that he made with the trees,
- 14:36Speaker 3: and he holds it up in the light, and that's
- 14:38Speaker 3: how he determines it.
- 14:39Speaker 2: It's not true.
- 14:41Speaker 3: But what he did determine though, was which is really cool,
- 14:44Speaker 3: And this is sort of what we've been building toward,
- 14:46Speaker 3: is that most of your cells are about seven to
- 14:52Speaker 3: ten years old, yes, in the body, and there are variances,
- 14:55Speaker 3: and of course we're going to talk about all that,
- 14:57Speaker 3: and right after this break, we're going to give you
- 15:00Speaker 3: a little primer on cells.
- 15:02Speaker 2: So you know what all this means.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Right, All right, Josh, were promised to sell primer, and
- 15:28Speaker 3: we like to deliver on those promises.
- 15:29Speaker 2: Here stuff you should know.
- 15:31Speaker 3: So I guess we started off by saying there are
- 15:35Speaker 3: thirty seven trillion cells about in the human body. Yeah,
- 15:39Speaker 3: give or take, give or take, and water makes up
- 15:42Speaker 3: about two thirds of.
- 15:43Speaker 2: The weight of those cells. Oh yeah, that's right. They're tiny.
- 15:48Speaker 3: You need a microscope to see them, and it's like
- 15:51Speaker 3: it's the tiniest thing that can still reproduce.
- 15:54Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 15:54Speaker 3: And even though we have many different kinds of cells,
- 15:57Speaker 3: I think two hundred types, and within those cells there
- 16:01Speaker 3: are differences, but there are a lot of similarities with
- 16:04Speaker 3: all cells in their structure. Namely, they have a cell membrane,
- 16:09Speaker 3: they have a nucleus, have a nucleus, some have more
- 16:11Speaker 3: than one. And these membranes are what allows nutrients to
- 16:15Speaker 3: pass in and out, waste to pass out water through
- 16:18Speaker 3: osmosis travels in reverse, osmosis travels out.
- 16:25Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 16:27Speaker 3: And what else, We got your mitochondria as well. That's
- 16:30Speaker 3: where this is the important, really important thing, which is
- 16:33Speaker 3: basically what keeps your cells alive.
- 16:35Speaker 1: That's the power center, right.
- 16:37Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, your cells need food to
- 16:41Speaker 3: live just like your body does. But you can't pass
- 16:43Speaker 3: that that hamburger straight into your cell, right. It needs
- 16:47Speaker 3: to be broken down so your cell can use.
- 16:49Speaker 1: It exactly into what adenosne triphosphate ATP is like the
- 16:56Speaker 1: universal cell fuel, right.
- 16:58Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 16:58Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff that the body does make.
- 17:02Speaker 1: I think you need like twenty three I think you
- 17:06Speaker 1: need twenty three amino acids, and like nine of them
- 17:09Speaker 1: your body doesn't really manufacture. So those are the nine
- 17:12Speaker 1: non essential amino acids, right. And you use amino acids
- 17:15Speaker 1: to build proteins, and use proteins for everything from making muscles,
- 17:20Speaker 1: to making red blood cells to you're mounting and immune response.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Proteins are very very vital in some of them you
- 17:29Speaker 1: have to build by eating stuff from your environment, right.
- 17:32Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 17:33Speaker 1: So you go out and you find yourself a nice
- 17:35Speaker 1: pig and you cut off its back leg. You say, sorry, pig,
- 17:38Speaker 1: here's a pig leg for you. But I need this leg.
- 17:42Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this leg. And what I'm really eating
- 17:44Speaker 1: is the muscle. What I'm really really eating is the glutamine. Yeah,
- 17:48Speaker 1: and in my body's going to take this glutamine. It
- 17:50Speaker 1: can make it itself. But it doesn't hurt to have
- 17:52Speaker 1: an extra little bit of glutamine.
- 17:54Speaker 2: Yeah, it does to have that pig leg And you're
- 17:56Speaker 2: exactly right.
- 17:57Speaker 1: So I'm chomping on the pig legs. The pigs must
- 18:00Speaker 1: and listeners by the way, right, just use your imagination
- 18:02Speaker 1: for a second. Sure, And yes, I'm sorry too. So
- 18:07Speaker 1: you're eating the pig like and you're gaining this glutamine
- 18:10Speaker 1: as a result, and your body's metabolizing the glutamine and
- 18:13Speaker 1: then reusing it, right, And it can be glutamine, it
- 18:16Speaker 1: can be anything. If we're ingesting a protein, if we're
- 18:21Speaker 1: ingesting amino acids, if we're eating any kind of food, sugars, whatever,
- 18:25Speaker 1: our bodies break it down into its constituent parts, and
- 18:29Speaker 1: then a lot of those constituent parts become part of
- 18:33Speaker 1: our bodies. So if you think about it in this sense,
- 18:37Speaker 1: when we eat, when we breathe, we're taking in stuff
- 18:41Speaker 1: we need from the environment, and that stuff that we
- 18:45Speaker 1: take in from the environment becomes a part of us
- 18:47Speaker 1: literally physically on the molecular level, it becomes a part
- 18:50Speaker 1: of us.
- 18:51Speaker 2: For better or worse, depending on what it is. Of course.
- 18:53Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great I think that's ultimately one of
- 18:56Speaker 1: the side lessons of this whole thing is we should
- 18:59Speaker 1: take care of ourvironment because that environment becomes us and
- 19:03Speaker 1: we either suffer or thrive as a result of it.
- 19:05Speaker 2: You ever heard the expression you are what you eat?
- 19:07Speaker 1: Exactly?
- 19:08Speaker 2: Know, you literally are what.
- 19:09Speaker 1: You eat, quite literally. And then also chuck, it goes
- 19:13Speaker 1: the other way as well. When we excrete waste, when
- 19:17Speaker 1: we exhale CO two that's taken up by other things
- 19:20Speaker 1: in the environment, is deposited into the environment and it
- 19:23Speaker 1: becomes part of the environment itself. So not only do
- 19:27Speaker 1: we regenerate our cells, regenerate tissue on average seven to
- 19:33Speaker 1: ten years, become almost wholly a new version of ourselves.
- 19:41Speaker 1: Were also the boundary between us and the surrounding environment
- 19:47Speaker 1: is really nonexistent because there's a constant exchange of molecules.
- 19:53Speaker 3: Yeah, we lose on average, they say nine the average
- 19:57Speaker 3: adult male loses ninety six million cells per minute, But
- 20:03Speaker 3: we also replace those at the rate of ninety six
- 20:07Speaker 3: million per minute, yeah roughly.
- 20:09Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so that's the good news.
- 20:12Speaker 1: So we've got all these cells that we're losing. We've
- 20:14Speaker 1: got all these new cells that are replacing them. And
- 20:16Speaker 1: I think, like you said earlier before the break, that
- 20:19Speaker 1: these the different types of cells and then hence different
- 20:24Speaker 1: tissues regenerate at a different rate, right.
- 20:27Speaker 3: Yeah, And they all have specialized jobs, and the cells
- 20:30Speaker 3: are often built in such a way to aid that
- 20:34Speaker 3: job physically, you know, different to make that job easier.
- 20:38Speaker 2: Which is really cool too, right, shows how versatile they are.
- 20:42Speaker 1: Yes, you know, like stem cells are very versatile.
- 20:45Speaker 2: Super.
- 20:46Speaker 1: So let's say your skin, Yeah, your skin regenerates every
- 20:51Speaker 1: two to four weeks. I think, yeah, exactly, you get
- 20:54Speaker 1: a new healthy coating of skin every two to four
- 20:58Speaker 1: weeks because you're epithal cells are particularly good at regenerating themselves.
- 21:04Speaker 3: That's right, And that is well, I guess that would
- 21:07Speaker 3: fall on the low side, obviously, if we're talking seven
- 21:11Speaker 3: to ten years. On the super low side, you have
- 21:14Speaker 3: the cells that line like you're intestine in your gut,
- 21:17Speaker 3: and those things don't last long at all because it's
- 21:20Speaker 3: such a harsh environment. You know, you wouldn't expect them
- 21:23Speaker 3: to last like weeks and months and years.
- 21:26Speaker 1: I think, how long is it? Five days?
- 21:28Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nothing but the.
- 21:29Speaker 1: Structure of your guts that are beneath that membrane lining
- 21:34Speaker 1: that turns over five days. They last about fifteen years.
- 21:39Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a like a beautiful, elegant system. Yeah,
- 21:44Speaker 3: that we have right to keep us alive. Red blood
- 21:47Speaker 3: cells last about one hundred and twenty days. But then
- 21:50Speaker 3: you have things like cells in your bone which actually
- 21:54Speaker 3: regenerate as well, so your bones are over time, over
- 21:58Speaker 3: a much longer period of time, actually becoming I mean,
- 22:01Speaker 3: I hate to call them new bones, but they kind
- 22:04Speaker 3: of are, you know.
- 22:06Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean compare if you took your femur
- 22:10Speaker 1: and somehow compared it to your femur when you were
- 22:13Speaker 1: fifteen years old, Like, they are two totally different bones.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Even though they're your bones. They were in the same place,
- 22:20Speaker 1: growing in the same person with the same DNA. There's
- 22:23Speaker 1: still different bones because they're made of different cells. Ten
- 22:27Speaker 1: years or so for the bones, yeah, something like that.
- 22:30Speaker 1: For the human skeleton, three hundred to five hundred days.
- 22:33Speaker 1: For the liver, very important organ it is. And one
- 22:37Speaker 1: of the other cool things about the liver is it's
- 22:39Speaker 1: just gangbusters that regenerating itself. You can apparently cut out
- 22:44Speaker 1: ninety five percent of a person's liver, and it will
- 22:47Speaker 1: grow back, and you won't have full function, but it
- 22:49Speaker 1: will function, and you'll survive with just five percent of
- 22:54Speaker 1: your liver.
- 22:54Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing, actually.
- 22:56Speaker 1: Yeah, because it will just grow right back, kind of
- 22:58Speaker 1: like a hornet's nest.
- 23:01Speaker 3: Interestingly, the inner lens cells of your eye form and
- 23:07Speaker 3: your embryo and basically don't change. Yeah, now, is that
- 23:11Speaker 3: why you have suffered from degeneration and vision?
- 23:14Speaker 1: That's what I would guess.
- 23:15Speaker 2: Is that the reason?
- 23:16Speaker 1: Yes, so the reason so with the corneal lens, Chuck.
- 23:19Speaker 1: When you're when you're born, when you're conceived, right, you
- 23:23Speaker 1: are a cell of coross that divides. Finally, once that
- 23:27Speaker 1: first division takes place, those corneal cells, they're set in stone.
- 23:32Speaker 1: Like your corneal cells are as old as you are,
- 23:36Speaker 1: same age as you. Other cells that make up different
- 23:39Speaker 1: parts of the eyes they're far newer. But your corneal cells,
- 23:43Speaker 1: your cerebral cortex cells, they think.
- 23:46Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one I mentioned. The brain and the
- 23:49Speaker 3: heart muscles, those are the two big ones. Because obviously
- 23:52Speaker 3: the reason we have diseases like Alzheimer's and dementia are
- 23:57Speaker 3: because the cerebral cortex has long a thought to not
- 24:01Speaker 3: regenerate cells at all.
- 24:02Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 24:03Speaker 3: Now I think they believe that they do in a
- 24:08Speaker 3: very small number.
- 24:10Speaker 1: Or different reasons, like the old factory bulb supposedly does. Yeah,
- 24:13Speaker 1: in the hippocampus, so we can learn new things. Their
- 24:16Speaker 1: sense of smell can be refined over time.
- 24:19Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think isn't that also the reason the
- 24:20Speaker 3: smell is very much tied to your memory, probably like
- 24:26Speaker 3: a smell can conjure up a memory more clearly. Yeah,
- 24:30Speaker 3: but the cerebral quartets itself, they don't think.
- 24:35Speaker 2: Who was her name?
- 24:36Speaker 3: Elizabeth Gould of Princeton did a lot of work on
- 24:39Speaker 3: this because it was just basically set in stone for
- 24:43Speaker 3: years like, no, it doesn't happen. And she did a
- 24:45Speaker 3: lot of work over the years trying to prove that
- 24:48Speaker 3: it did using tracer studies. And I think that where
- 24:52Speaker 3: they are now as they think it does.
- 24:54Speaker 1: Some yeah here there, here there.
- 24:57Speaker 3: But obviously we still have to mention Alzheimer, so it's
- 24:59Speaker 3: not it doesn't regenerate like the rest of the body,
- 25:01Speaker 3: not even close.
- 25:02Speaker 1: Yeah. Alzheimer's also maybe produced I guess by plaques and
- 25:07Speaker 1: member plaque build up in between your neurons that keep
- 25:10Speaker 1: them from firing as well.
- 25:11Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it seems like we're so close to figuring
- 25:14Speaker 3: out the secret, you know. Yeah, to uh, I don't
- 25:18Speaker 3: know about not dying ever. I'm not talking immortality, but
- 25:24Speaker 3: living much longer lives.
- 25:26Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that because all of this stuff
- 25:29Speaker 1: kind of leads to that question, if we regenerate so often,
- 25:32Speaker 1: why do we die? And we'll address that right after this.
- 25:56Speaker 1: All right, So, Chuck, there's this kind of there's this
- 26:00Speaker 1: idea that if we are regenerating ourselves every seven to
- 26:04Speaker 1: ten years, we're like the vast majority of our body
- 26:07Speaker 1: cells regenerate, why do we age and why do we die?
- 26:13Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't really make sense in that respect.
- 26:15Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what they think is it has to do
- 26:18Speaker 3: with your DNA actually in the cell. Our cells as
- 26:22Speaker 3: we age, even the new ones that get replaced, which
- 26:24Speaker 3: really stinks, Yeah, become what they call cinicent, which means
- 26:29Speaker 3: that they can't divide any longer. We've talked about the
- 26:32Speaker 3: Hayflick limit before, or replicative centizence is basically how many
- 26:38Speaker 3: times your cells can divide over its lifetime. Yeah, and
- 26:42Speaker 3: I think like a fibroblast, which is the cells of
- 26:45Speaker 3: the connective tissue in mammals, it's about fifty cell divisions. Yeah,
- 26:49Speaker 3: and then it hits that point of centicence and it
- 26:52Speaker 3: starts sending out repair signals to your body that aren't necessary,
- 26:56Speaker 3: and that causes inflammation.
- 26:59Speaker 2: And we've talked about inflammation kind of being the.
- 27:01Speaker 3: Source of most most of the original problems that will
- 27:06Speaker 3: eventually lead to your death.
- 27:08Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
- 27:09Speaker 3: Yeah, something becomes inflamed and leads to all kinds of problems.
- 27:13Speaker 3: There's no repair needed, so it's a false signal. So
- 27:15Speaker 3: they're trying to come up with drugs. Now, there's one
- 27:19Speaker 3: called wrap a micene that tries to stop the cells
- 27:24Speaker 3: from sending out those false signals, which is amazing.
- 27:27Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be wonderful.
- 27:29Speaker 2: You know.
- 27:30Speaker 1: There's another explanation for it as well as that when
- 27:34Speaker 1: our cells divide, especially over time as we age, they're
- 27:38Speaker 1: basically making photocopies of themselves. Yeah, and you ultimately, years
- 27:44Speaker 1: down the road, end up making photocopies of photocopies, right,
- 27:47Speaker 1: and those don't tend to pan out very well. So
- 27:51Speaker 1: as far as analogies go, that one kind of makes
- 27:53Speaker 1: sense that, yes, we have brand new cells, but the
- 27:57Speaker 1: DNA copies, the DNA blueprints that they're based on it
- 28:02Speaker 1: have seen better days. Yeah, many years back, you know.
- 28:05Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good way to say it.
- 28:07Speaker 2: We also talked a little bit about whether or not
- 28:11Speaker 2: the heart muscle itself.
- 28:14Speaker 3: Replenishes itself in the cells, and for a long time
- 28:18Speaker 3: they had no idea. But now thanks to our buddy
- 28:22Speaker 3: doctor Frisson, his pretty much. I don't even think we
- 28:26Speaker 3: said what his who he works with?
- 28:28Speaker 2: Did we?
- 28:30Speaker 1: No?
- 28:31Speaker 2: He works with the with a K. Karolinska team.
- 28:34Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just like incredible scientists that are making like
- 28:38Speaker 3: amazing advancements and trying to figure the stuff out. But
- 28:41Speaker 3: they did, in fact find that the heart does replace
- 28:44Speaker 3: itself the muscle cells. About one percent of the heart
- 28:46Speaker 3: muscles were replaced every year at age twenty five, and
- 28:49Speaker 3: that falls over your lifetime to less than half a
- 28:51Speaker 3: percent per year by the age seventy five.
- 28:54Speaker 1: I spoke too soon. That does make sense.
- 28:56Speaker 3: Yeah, So what they basically said is about half of
- 28:59Speaker 3: your heart's muscle.
- 29:00Speaker 2: Cells will be exchanged during a normal lifetime.
- 29:04Speaker 1: Okay, which is okay, it is, but as it's slowing
- 29:07Speaker 1: down over time, I mean the heart's kind of essential.
- 29:10Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're hoping again to develop drugs that can
- 29:13Speaker 3: accelerate that process too. Yeah, And I don't know how
- 29:16Speaker 3: far along they are on that.
- 29:17Speaker 2: But that'd be amazing.
- 29:20Speaker 1: So there's this whole thing that kind of came up
- 29:23Speaker 1: to me man like that I don't all of this
- 29:26Speaker 1: raises this question to me, right, Yeah, if you look
- 29:29Speaker 1: at like you or me or any living things as
- 29:35Speaker 1: an investment, like a molecular investment in the ability to reproduce, right, Okay,
- 29:42Speaker 1: once you finish your reproductive age, then it does make
- 29:47Speaker 1: sense that you would just kind of there would be
- 29:49Speaker 1: built in this mechanism of aging and then death and
- 29:54Speaker 1: then decay, which is what we do. Yeah, we return
- 29:58Speaker 1: back to the earth. To put it in kind of
- 30:00Speaker 1: biblical terms, there's like that whole ashes to ashes, dust
- 30:02Speaker 1: to dust thing. Sure, it is very very true. And
- 30:05Speaker 1: if you look at us, and you look at all
- 30:10Speaker 1: living things as something that exchanges molecules with the external environment,
- 30:17Speaker 1: takes them in, puts them out right, and you look
- 30:21Speaker 1: at us as all connected in that sense, like we're
- 30:24Speaker 1: just like a plant exactly, or we're just like a rock,
- 30:28Speaker 1: like we're all that stuff, and those things are us
- 30:30Speaker 1: because we're able to exchange basic ingredients. Then it makes
- 30:37Speaker 1: total sense that a person would come together, be conceived,
- 30:40Speaker 1: start dividing as cells, you know, make more of itself,
- 30:44Speaker 1: and then start to age and then die and decay,
- 30:47Speaker 1: and then it would give something else a chance to
- 30:48Speaker 1: come up from that again. Right, sure, but then it
- 30:51Speaker 1: makes you it makes you wonder, what's the point of that?
- 30:55Speaker 2: What do you mean?
- 30:56Speaker 1: Like, think about it. If we're just the same as plants, Like.
- 30:59Speaker 2: Why are we all here? Yeah?
- 31:00Speaker 1: Like, if we're if the whole point is to just
- 31:03Speaker 1: basically recycle materials, because we are just recycling stuff from
- 31:07Speaker 1: the environment, and we're recycled as we die and decay,
- 31:11Speaker 1: what is the point? Is our point just to be
- 31:14Speaker 1: part of the carbon cycle, So we're moving carbon in
- 31:17Speaker 1: and out of ourselves, in and out of the environment,
- 31:20Speaker 1: moving it around. Or I don't understand what the point
- 31:24Speaker 1: is of life? I guess is what I'm saying here
- 31:25Speaker 1: in nihilis No, I'm not saying I don't believe that
- 31:28Speaker 1: there isn't a point. I'm just curious what it is,
- 31:32Speaker 1: because it because if we are the same as any
- 31:35Speaker 1: other living thing, and the definition of living is an
- 31:39Speaker 1: exchange with an active exchange with the surrounding environment. They're
- 31:44Speaker 1: breathing through, eating whatever. Yes. Then and then if you
- 31:51Speaker 1: kind of take that a little further and say, well,
- 31:53Speaker 1: clearly we're meant to like reproduce or something like that,
- 31:56Speaker 1: and then after that we age and die, what's the point?
- 32:01Speaker 1: Like why not just have one species of living thing? Yeah,
- 32:05Speaker 1: and just let that do all of your carbon recycling
- 32:08Speaker 1: or whatever.
- 32:09Speaker 2: Yeah, I think are you about to quit the show?
- 32:14Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 32:15Speaker 2: I see what you mean.
- 32:15Speaker 3: Like, if we look at ourselves as a purely mechanical
- 32:20Speaker 3: serving a purely mechanical function right on the planet.
- 32:23Speaker 1: Like we are to the carbon cycle, what say, evaporation
- 32:27Speaker 1: is to the rain cycle, Like we're a means of
- 32:30Speaker 1: moving something along.
- 32:32Speaker 3: Well, I think that's when you, man, this is getting philosophical.
- 32:35Speaker 3: I think that's when you start getting into questions of
- 32:38Speaker 3: the soul.
- 32:39Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it kind of makes you wonder like, well,
- 32:42Speaker 1: why would there be more than one species? It will
- 32:44Speaker 1: be much more efficient to just have one, maybe two.
- 32:47Speaker 1: There's all these different ones, so why.
- 32:49Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:50Speaker 1: The fact that that why is just sitting there and
- 32:52Speaker 1: flashing neon lights definitely made me wonder basically the opposite.
- 32:57Speaker 1: It's made me think in a different direction and then nihilistically.
- 33:02Speaker 3: Like, we're only here for so long, and so if
- 33:04Speaker 3: there is the point is to like make the most
- 33:08Speaker 3: of your time.
- 33:08Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a separate that's a separate part
- 33:11Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, because no matter what conclusion you come to,
- 33:14Speaker 1: whether Nope, we're just a means of recycling carbon and
- 33:17Speaker 1: that is it. Yeah, kind of like a Gaia theory
- 33:20Speaker 1: view of things. Or if you say no, like the
- 33:25Speaker 1: fact that we're inefficient and redundant as far as that
- 33:29Speaker 1: carbon recycling thing goes, suggests that maybe there is a
- 33:32Speaker 1: higher purpose to us. Either way, I feel like you
- 33:36Speaker 1: come to the conclusion or you should come to the
- 33:38Speaker 1: conclusion that the one thing we do know is that
- 33:41Speaker 1: we are here right now, and the best thing we
- 33:44Speaker 1: can do is make the absolute best of it for
- 33:47Speaker 1: ourselves and for other people as well.
- 33:49Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are probably others out there that think
- 33:51Speaker 3: the whole point is to make as much cash as
- 33:53Speaker 3: you can, sure you can buy products.
- 33:55Speaker 2: Yeah, Edward Burnez would.
- 33:57Speaker 3: Probably say that, Yes he would, and he lived that
- 34:00Speaker 3: way in Man, that's interesting. I think we should I'd
- 34:03Speaker 3: love to tackle something philosophical and deep.
- 34:06Speaker 1: Like the soul meaning of life.
- 34:08Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be tough.
- 34:09Speaker 3: I mean that'd be cool, though, it would be cool.
- 34:11Speaker 3: We don't delve into that very much.
- 34:12Speaker 1: No, we should. I'd like to do that. And consciousness
- 34:16Speaker 1: that's a really interesting one too, Like it doesn't make
- 34:19Speaker 1: any sense.
- 34:20Speaker 3: It's a very trippy way forward for this show. Yeah,
- 34:22Speaker 3: we're gonna start getting weird.
- 34:23Speaker 1: I took a lot of acid this morning. So, oh
- 34:26Speaker 1: that's great if you want to know more about some
- 34:31Speaker 1: just weird trippy stuff. How stuff works has a surprising
- 34:35Speaker 1: amount of it on there. I don't know. Just try
- 34:38Speaker 1: typing the word trippy into the search bar. You can
- 34:41Speaker 1: also type does your body really replace itself? Every seven years?
- 34:44Speaker 1: And it'll bring up this cool article. And I think
- 34:47Speaker 1: I said search bar at some point in time. So
- 34:49Speaker 1: how about some listener mail?
- 34:53Speaker 2: I like how you specified you took a lot of.
- 34:55Speaker 1: Acid just a little yeah, a lot fun of it?
- 35:00Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna call this multiple We got like
- 35:03Speaker 3: a bunch of emails in one day about people picking
- 35:07Speaker 3: at our grammar and things. Oh yeah, so I'm just
- 35:10Speaker 3: decided to read three of them because they're short. Hey, guys,
- 35:13Speaker 3: I generally enjoy the episodes, but you do have one
- 35:18Speaker 3: issue with your grammar and noun verb agreement. You tend
- 35:21Speaker 3: to say there are many lines of evidence or there's
- 35:24Speaker 3: lots of experiment showing instead of there are not there
- 35:28Speaker 3: is when the pronoun refers to a little subject. Check
- 35:32Speaker 3: yourselves next time.
- 35:33Speaker 2: Guys. You typically make the mistake about ten times every show.
- 35:37Speaker 1: Why don't you go recycle some carbon power?
- 35:40Speaker 2: That's from Kim Keller in Temple Tariffs, Florida.
- 35:43Speaker 1: Thanks.
- 35:45Speaker 3: I always like to pick apart their emails too, about
- 35:48Speaker 3: because people usually make a mistake or two in their
- 35:50Speaker 3: own emails.
- 35:52Speaker 2: Hey, guys, this one's from Blair. I love the show.
- 35:54Speaker 2: I hate to be nitpicky.
- 35:56Speaker 1: They always say that, don't yeah right.
- 35:58Speaker 3: Before they nitpick, But I have a grammar direction. It's
- 36:00Speaker 3: been bugging me for months, and Stonehinge was a major offender.
- 36:04Speaker 3: At least one of you not naming names frequently used
- 36:07Speaker 3: the word further when you really mean farther. The latter
- 36:10Speaker 3: term is used for literal distances. Further is only supposed
- 36:14Speaker 3: to be used figuratively.
- 36:16Speaker 1: Huh.
- 36:17Speaker 2: I didn't know that, Okay, so thanks Blair.
- 36:19Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the last one, Phil who was an
- 36:22Speaker 3: English and grammar pronunciation freak. He says, hey, guys, when
- 36:26Speaker 3: there's an Italian word, you take your time to pronounce
- 36:28Speaker 3: it properly. The same with Japanese in the Far East
- 36:31Speaker 3: in general. So why don't you extend that same courtesy
- 36:33Speaker 3: to English.
- 36:34Speaker 1: Words because we're masters of the language.
- 36:36Speaker 3: And I mean words actually in the UK vernacular, not
- 36:39Speaker 3: American English. Salisbury, No, it's Salisbury, the Marlborough Downs, Nope,
- 36:46Speaker 3: marl bro Downs.
- 36:49Speaker 1: Well, we're using the American vernacular because we're in America
- 36:53Speaker 1: and recording as American.
- 36:55Speaker 2: That's from Phil.
- 36:57Speaker 1: I had I addressed all those I think.
- 36:59Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I feel good about it.
- 37:01Speaker 1: I think it's good and very big of you two
- 37:03Speaker 1: have read those as listener mail. Why not nice job.
- 37:06Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, we just we don't profess to talk gooder
- 37:09Speaker 3: than other people. We just do our little thing here
- 37:12Speaker 3: in the studio, send it out into the world nice
- 37:15Speaker 3: for people to pick apart.
- 37:17Speaker 1: What we're doing is we're creating grammatical tableaus like that
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- 37:24Speaker 1: don't belong. Yeah, that's what we're doing for you, guys.
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