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Ep. 288: How to Kill a Buck in the Summer · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and
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  Speaker 1: today in the show, I'm joined by Dan Johnson and
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  Speaker 1: Spencer new Heart to break down everything you can be
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  Speaker 1: doing during the summer to help kill buck this year,
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  Speaker 1: including tree stand preps, summer scouting, trail cameras, creating access routes,
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  Speaker 1: and more. All right, ladies and gentlemen, wake not wait. Welcome.
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  Speaker 1: The word was welcome that I was trying to get their.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Onyx. And if the beginning is any sign of
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  Speaker 1: what's to come on this episode, you guys are in
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  Speaker 1: for a real treat because today we're we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: doing a throwback podcast. We don't have any big, special
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  Speaker 1: fancy guest. It is myself, it is Dan on some
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  Speaker 1: of nine Fingers, and it is Spencer new Hearth of
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  Speaker 1: the Deep Voice clan. So that is who is with
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  Speaker 1: you today, and we're gonna do kind of a rapid
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  Speaker 1: fire deep dive one oh one how to all things
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  Speaker 1: about the summer. How to kill a buck during the summer.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of how I'm framing this one because, as
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  Speaker 1: I think both of you guys would test, in many cases,
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  Speaker 1: the success that we have during the hunting season, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it isn't due to stuff we're actually doing
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  Speaker 1: that day that we shoot the deer. It's usually in
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  Speaker 1: many cases the result of lots and lots of work
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  Speaker 1: that was done the off season, whether that was in
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  Speaker 1: the spring or in the summer, or the postseason, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is. There's a lot more that goes into a
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  Speaker 1: hunt than the actual day of the thing. So today
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk summer. We're halfway through summer, about
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little past halfway through this summer. So this
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  Speaker 1: is maybe like get off your button, get to work,
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  Speaker 1: call to action for some people. If you haven't done
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  Speaker 1: some of these things. I know I've got some stuff
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  Speaker 1: still ado. Um So, Dan, is that a good plan
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  Speaker 1: by you? Yeah? I'm down for whatever you would like?
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon and Spencer new Hearth is that a good
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  Speaker 1: plan by you? Same answer? Good. So I'm thinking we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't just be we shouldn't beat around the bush. Dan.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got weird family stories, feel free to insert
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  Speaker 1: them as we go along, but we're gonna We're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna jump right into it. So, speaking of funny family stories,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Montana and I was in the office yesterday
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  Speaker 1: sitting across with Spencer, and Spencer said he's planning and
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep from having kids for at least ten years. Dan,
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  Speaker 1: at least ten years. He's trying to push it off.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting Yeah, he's he's testing out some kind of
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  Speaker 1: like non permanent um tube tying or whatever, sniff sniff
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  Speaker 1: type stuff. Right, no comment, Would that be a recommendation
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  Speaker 1: Dan is to wait like a decade? How are you? Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you got at least you can look at it two ways, right,
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  Speaker 1: You You can do have your kids now while you're
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  Speaker 1: somewhat young. I mean, I turned, I'm almost forty, and
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  Speaker 1: you can. My kids ain't gonna be out of the
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  Speaker 1: house until I'm in my sixties, right, So say, what,
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  Speaker 1: will you even make it that long? No? No, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be an I see you wait before that. But um,
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  Speaker 1: I did get a funny comment the other day that
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, Dan, really love your podcast. Uh, You're
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  Speaker 1: the reason me and my wife have decided not to
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  Speaker 1: have children. It's quite a legacy you're leaving, Dan, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know. So. Uh. If you could take one thing
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  Speaker 1: away from our from our podcast that we do together,
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  Speaker 1: it's that, Yeah, enjoy yourself. Now wait on kids, maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe permanently or maybe like have a kid, or like
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  Speaker 1: a brother. Do you have any brother? Is your sisters?
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  Speaker 1: I do? Okay, man, just be just be like the
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  Speaker 1: most kick ass uncle you can be. Yeah. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: am a really good uncle. I think that's why Mark
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  Speaker 1: has me on this episode to bring a non dad perspective.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly times. That's exactly it. Even today Spencer
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  Speaker 1: tried to get this. Dan. Spencer tried to tell me
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  Speaker 1: he was too busy to do the podcast today and
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  Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, no no. If I'm stuckled
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  Speaker 1: just Dan, this thing's gonna flop so hard it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: make a dead fish on the beach. Thanks. Thanks, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I mean, that was a real conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna totally derail everything. Tree stands. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about tree stands. I think one of them really gonna
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  Speaker 1: try to focus now, Um, summer prep one of the
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  Speaker 1: big things I know to some degree. Most people are
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  Speaker 1: usually thinking about her doing his tree stand stuff. Um, Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of work do you you do when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to summer stands? Do you hang anything at all? Anymore?
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  Speaker 1: I still do, but I'm largely hunting the same properties
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  Speaker 1: that I've hunted for the last decade now, so I
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  Speaker 1: know pretty much like right where they're going, um, exactly
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  Speaker 1: what I need to trim, etcetera. So it's not as
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  Speaker 1: much of a chore as it used to be, or
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  Speaker 1: as much of a chore as it probably is for
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  Speaker 1: some people. But what has changed in recent years is
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  Speaker 1: that last year South Dakota, where I primarily hunt, went
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  Speaker 1: to a September one opener, and so that really changed
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  Speaker 1: some things. UM. I didn't really have many stands that
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  Speaker 1: were great for like very early September, and so I
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  Speaker 1: focused on that a little more. And what I realized
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  Speaker 1: when I was doing that is that those early early
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  Speaker 1: season stands are almost like the same stands that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be haunting late late season. And so it benefited
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  Speaker 1: me not only in early September but all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the end of that opener. And so that's what
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  Speaker 1: was more of my focus last year and what will
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  Speaker 1: be more of my focus this summer. Do you take
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  Speaker 1: your stands down each year and put them back up,
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  Speaker 1: or do you have stands you just keep up there
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  Speaker 1: throughout the whole offseason. Uh. Probably about half of them
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  Speaker 1: stay at this point and then they get new ratchet
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  Speaker 1: straps when I come in for the first time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: some of them I won't even touch. Like there's certain
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  Speaker 1: rut stands that I know need very little trimming based
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  Speaker 1: on the tree position and stuff like that, and I
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  Speaker 1: won't see them from one November to the next until
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  Speaker 1: I show up again, uh like five am in the
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  Speaker 1: dark to haunt that stand and really just bringing a
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  Speaker 1: new ratchet strap because I feel confident that it's in
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  Speaker 1: the right location that I'm going to need to do
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  Speaker 1: very little trimming. And I just feel more comfortable not
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  Speaker 1: disturbing certain areas if I don't have to. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of examples I have now of where
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to UM and I do do some
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  Speaker 1: public land hunting, but I've gotten more confident in my
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  Speaker 1: running gun setup that I don't have to get in
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  Speaker 1: there and and hang tree stands in the summer. For
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the areas that I like to hunt
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  Speaker 1: on public land because I've gotten better with my running
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  Speaker 1: gun stuff. Yeah, so, so walk me through a situation
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  Speaker 1: where you do need to do some updates to it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say you've got a spot you know you want
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  Speaker 1: to hunt there, um, but maybe you need to either
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  Speaker 1: hang the stand back up or you need to at
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  Speaker 1: least check up on a fix up on it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Can you just walk me through, like what's going through
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  Speaker 1: your head? What do you actually do when you show
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  Speaker 1: up in July or August to reprep that tree? It
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  Speaker 1: kind of depends on what happened the year before. I'll
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  Speaker 1: take some lessons that I learned from ten and apply
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  Speaker 1: them to or you know whatever, one season going into
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  Speaker 1: the next days. And one thing I've realized over the
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  Speaker 1: last few years is that I have to be more
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  Speaker 1: prepared for only having like one kind of wind for
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  Speaker 1: the best part of the ruts. And I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: if it was two years ago or three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of these recent seasons that, like what
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  Speaker 1: most people considered to be like the best days of
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  Speaker 1: the rud like November eighth through the twelfth or something,
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  Speaker 1: it was only one wind for five straight days or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. I think it might have just been
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  Speaker 1: straight north winds for five straight days and I was
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  Speaker 1: not prepared for that. Um So, just working more to
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  Speaker 1: to diversify my rut stands specifically, or if that does happen,
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  Speaker 1: where we get a whole bunch of north wind days
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  Speaker 1: and I moved stands mid season so that I have
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  Speaker 1: all north wind stands to to get ready for those
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  Speaker 1: rud hunts, then the following season I need to get
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  Speaker 1: them back to have some south wind once prepared and
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, I folow you so, so
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  Speaker 1: all right, So when I go in, if I've got
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  Speaker 1: a situation like this where I know I've got stands
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  Speaker 1: maybe already hung up in the summer, I show up.
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  Speaker 1: Usually I always say I'm gonna do it in May
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  Speaker 1: or June, and I inevitably end up doing it in August.
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  Speaker 1: Um So I show out to the tree if I
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  Speaker 1: left it hanging up, I usually will check those steps
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  Speaker 1: that I have coming up. If I've got like the
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  Speaker 1: uh oh, I don't even know what to call it,
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  Speaker 1: those like metal poles with steps on them that go
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  Speaker 1: up the tree that are kind of ratchet strapped on,
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  Speaker 1: I'll check each of those straps And what I'll do
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  Speaker 1: is I'll loosen each strap just a little bit, because
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  Speaker 1: lots of times if you don't loosen the straps on
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  Speaker 1: those or saything, this goes to the tree stand too.
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  Speaker 1: If you leave it up there without changing the straps,
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  Speaker 1: the tree keeps growing, and then those straps are stuck
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  Speaker 1: at whatever tightness they were, and so eventually get to
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  Speaker 1: the point where the stress on those straps can cause
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  Speaker 1: them to break um or it gets to the point
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  Speaker 1: where you can never loosen them or get the tree
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  Speaker 1: stand off again. So every year I go on there,
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  Speaker 1: I check those straps and then I loosen them just
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  Speaker 1: a tiny bit so that it's not, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: overly tight and it's gonna give just a little tiny
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  Speaker 1: bit of room for it to grow throughout the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Um. And then I get back up
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  Speaker 1: in that tree sitting the tree stand, and look through
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  Speaker 1: all my shooting lanes and make sure those lanes are
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  Speaker 1: still clean and clear that that I had prepped before.
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  Speaker 1: And then if I had learned anything the year before
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  Speaker 1: as far as needing to clear out an additional tree
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  Speaker 1: here limb there, I'll do that too. Um. That's like
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  Speaker 1: what I end up doing to every stand the left
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  Speaker 1: hanging up, I go do that in the summer. Is
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  Speaker 1: that in line with the same thing you're doing Spencer
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  Speaker 1: when you're doing it, Yeah, largely the same thing. Um
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  Speaker 1: And at this point, if I am like hanging a
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  Speaker 1: new stand, it's often times that I'm adjusting an old one.
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  Speaker 1: So there's one still up from the year before, but
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  Speaker 1: now I'm gonna move it three trees down or you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to the end of the draw that it was
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  Speaker 1: in something like that. So then it's it's really nice
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  Speaker 1: because you can come in really light, um with just
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  Speaker 1: a saw and a few other tools just to move
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  Speaker 1: into those stands. A largely it's the same process you
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  Speaker 1: just described, um And and more and more as I've
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  Speaker 1: matured and gotten older, I focus on those ratchet scraps more.
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  Speaker 1: It's scary to think about some of the um ratchet
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  Speaker 1: scraps I've seen from some of those stands and just
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  Speaker 1: stay up for you know, two or three years at
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  Speaker 1: a time, and and they're bulging and the bark is
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  Speaker 1: going around them, and to even get it out you
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  Speaker 1: have to like take a knife and and cut it
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  Speaker 1: because there's just so much pressure on some of those
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  Speaker 1: and so I've become a lot more conscious of that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, me too. Now what about you, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: You just heard me and Spencer described for our kind
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  Speaker 1: of stands that are hung maintenance. Now, I know you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of spots like that anymore. You
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  Speaker 1: do mostly running gun. But do you have anything like that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you still do any kind of maintenance like that
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  Speaker 1: or check up in the summer? Yeah, I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: like you said, if I do leave a tree stand up,
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  Speaker 1: it's just because I was too lazy to take it
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  Speaker 1: down after the season was over. So I try to
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  Speaker 1: get all my stands taken down like the day year two.
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  Speaker 1: Like for example, this past year, the day or two
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  Speaker 1: after I killed my buck, I went through the property
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  Speaker 1: and all but two tree stands came down. The other
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  Speaker 1: the other two is because there was other hunters on
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  Speaker 1: the piece and I didn't want to go interrupt them,
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  Speaker 1: so they stayed up and they're still there hopefully. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to leave tree stands up, um because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, say, this is all the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: you guys just mentioned, right, I'm kind of a stickler
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  Speaker 1: about like the straps, and I try to get new
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  Speaker 1: straps every year, if if the if that tree stands
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  Speaker 1: stayed outside all year long. You know what I mean? Yeah, Now,
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  Speaker 1: do either one of you guys do these two things,
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  Speaker 1: because this is something I don't ever do when I
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  Speaker 1: have a prepped tree stand. But I know some people
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  Speaker 1: that do, which is put in a bow hanger and
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  Speaker 1: like a gear hanger and then tie a pull rope
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  Speaker 1: at the tree stand. I know some people that have
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  Speaker 1: two hooks and a rope, But every single location, I
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  Speaker 1: just go in with two hooks in my pocket and
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  Speaker 1: a row and do that every time I go up
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  Speaker 1: into a tree. I don't have anything preset like that.
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  Speaker 1: What do you what do you do? Spencer? I tried
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  Speaker 1: to pre set them as much as possible, but you'll
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  Speaker 1: figure out that, like if you put it up in July,
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  Speaker 1: by the following year, like a July later, those things
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  Speaker 1: tend to get like wrapped around trees and shredded by
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  Speaker 1: the bark and I don't know, squirrels bother them too,
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  Speaker 1: or if there's like a crazy windstorm, they get wrapped
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  Speaker 1: up in branches that are hanging above your tree stand.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm a big fan of preset ropes to bring
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  Speaker 1: gear up the tree but you are. It's a pie
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  Speaker 1: in this guide you to think you're gonna put one
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  Speaker 1: up and it's going to be there for the next
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  Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, uh, Dan, you probably don't since you're
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  Speaker 1: just not leaving stands up. Huh. Well, y'all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I do have my traditional major pitch point stand. I
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  Speaker 1: have my downwind of major dough betting stand. Those are
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  Speaker 1: my two. I have two or three stands that I've
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  Speaker 1: kind of over the years. I used to be the
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  Speaker 1: guy who would go up and I'd put tentry stands
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  Speaker 1: up in a single weekend. And now I just I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I'm wasting my time if I do that
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  Speaker 1: because last however many years, I haven't even killed a
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  Speaker 1: deer in one of those pre hung stands. So those
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  Speaker 1: three that are that are set up before the season
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  Speaker 1: starts are are the fallback tree stands to where, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not on a deer. I don't know where big
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  Speaker 1: deer moving. Let me go to these three known you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically historical trail camera data locations and then see what
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  Speaker 1: you know start from there. So do you do leave
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  Speaker 1: than rope and hangars of those spots? Yeah, those are
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  Speaker 1: fully prepped. I mean I I walk up, take you know,
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  Speaker 1: take my backpack off, hanging, sit down, pull the bow up. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I've been moving more and more towards,
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  Speaker 1: you know, same thing you guys talking about, like mostly
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  Speaker 1: running guns sets, but the like the main Michigan property
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  Speaker 1: that I hunt the very most of all places where
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  Speaker 1: I do have a bunch of pre hung stands from
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  Speaker 1: past years. It is so nice when you can just
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  Speaker 1: right in, climb up, sit down like that is a
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  Speaker 1: nice feeling compared to knowing you have to do all
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  Speaker 1: the work to get set up. Still, Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I would do that, but you know I don't. Are
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  Speaker 1: you tearing down those tree scenes every year? Like also
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  Speaker 1: as a courtesy to the landowner to make them think
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  Speaker 1: that you're more responsible or something like that, something going
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  Speaker 1: through your mind when you do that. No, she don't care,
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  Speaker 1: and she doesn't care that much. I mean, I take
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  Speaker 1: him down because I straight up don't want that stuff stolen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's that's your number one reason for taking down
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  Speaker 1: your tree stands. Yeah, yep. Theft that's a bum or
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  Speaker 1: that they have to worry about that Yep, absolutely, it
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  Speaker 1: sucks And that's that's private ground. Yeah, that's that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta figure that stuff out there, and I, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: you have to clean your act up, folks. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: something that I've started to do more though now. Um,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's really nice to have it all prepped,
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  Speaker 1: the running gun thing, I'm doing more and more now,
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  Speaker 1: especially since I'm moving mostly to a saddle set up
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  Speaker 1: for my mobile set ups, which doesn't make it easier
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um. So what I started doing this
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  Speaker 1: spring is prepping trees for the saddle set up. And
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  Speaker 1: I just thought i'd walked people through that real quick. Um,
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  Speaker 1: if you're using a saddle set up, or even if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to use a running gun tree stand, you
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  Speaker 1: know you don't need to go to a tree for
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  Speaker 1: the first time ever the day you're hunting. If you know, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm probably gonna try hunting this location, this location,
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  Speaker 1: this location, you can still prep trees for that without
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  Speaker 1: hanging a stand. So what I've done is I pict
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  Speaker 1: cold places this spring where I know I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: hunt with my saddle. I went in there and kind
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  Speaker 1: of prepped it as if I was hating a tree stand.
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  Speaker 1: I put steps up it, I set up my little platform,
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  Speaker 1: so what I'll end up standing on when I'm using
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  Speaker 1: a saddle. I hung my saddle tether up in there
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  Speaker 1: and actually sat in there like I was in my saddle.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I was wearing my saddle, got all set up as
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: if I was going to hunt, and then picked all
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the lanes i'd want to get cut, did my lane
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: shooting and all that. UM kind of made sure I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: had spots available that I could hang my backpack when
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I end up showing up to hunt in October or November.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Did all the stuff I need, and then I just
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: tore it all down. I took my platform, took my tether,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: took all that, but I left the steps. So now
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I have a handful of trees, and I'm gonna do
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a bunch more in August. That will be like that
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that there's no stand hanging and there's nothing like that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: But I can hike in without need to bring sticks
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: with me. I can just climb right up those steps,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: put my rope around the tree, sit down, and I'm
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: good to go. So it's kind of nice in between.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's like halfway prepped. But I don't need to have,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of trees dands hanging around. So
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that is the one change I made this year that's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: been different than others. UM. And there's a spot I'm
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: particularly excited about that I set up back in I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: think it was late mayor early June. That's like a
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: little spot between the swamp and there's a little finger
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of an opening of a field and then another bedding area,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and there's this low spot in that opening that every
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: deer seems if they're gonna come across between those two
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: areas of cover, they passed through this little low spot.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And UM, every year I've had bucks passed through there.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And I have stands that are kind of on either
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: side of this but just a little bit too far
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to arrange. And this is one of those things Dan,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: where we've talked over the years, how you know you
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: want to find that spot within the spot and you've
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: got to make those little micro adjustments. UM. And I've
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: never in this case, I didn't walk the walk. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: kept the spots where they're already hung because it was like,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it works out, And now this year
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is finally like you know what you need to just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: make the move. So now I have this spot set
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: up which is you know, fifty yards away from two
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: other locations, but I think it's in like the right
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: location right in there. So that's uh, that's what I'm
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: excited to try out this year. And um is another
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: thing that makes me think about the next summer thing
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people do, which is trimming shooting lanes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And I think even if you are the type that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: goes out there and you prep all your trees in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the spring as you know that there's not that's a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: good idea to get out there earlier and to do
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this stuff sooner rather than later. But the one downside
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: doing that is if you prep your hunting spots back
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in March or April, you're not gonna see all the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: new growth that happens during the summer. So I still
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like to do my shooting lane trimming in August because
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I know that I will see what's actually going to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be there and make sure I move of everything because
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I'll be doing a lot of that in the next
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. There's always this debate though, between shooting
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: lanes as far as do you make sure that every
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: possible spot do you think is going to be a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: shot is cleared out or do you go really minimalist
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and just pick a couple of spots to keep as
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: much covering the tree? Where are you on that these days? Dan?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I know we've debated this over the years. Where's your
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: head at now? Right? So as we all know like
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: wind and terrain dictate where the deer are going to move,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And so I feel that if your tree stand is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: in the right location, you're gonna have to do very
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: minimal uh shooting lane. Like ten years ago, I was
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in there cutting landing pads. Basically, now I've just kind
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of I feel that the deer are going to move
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: in these same areas every time, you know, aside from
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the rut where you know, anything can happen at any moment.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: If you if you put your tree stand in the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: right spot, the deer are gonna come through let's say
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: two ways right. And I think that if you if
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you have your tree stand in the right spot, you're
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do very little trimming. How wide of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a lane do you try to have? Like let's say
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you know that you think a deer is gonna be,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you know, on coming across this trail. Now you're sitting
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in your tree stand and then you're looking down that trail.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: How much space do you like to have cleared when
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that deer's the trail? Do you have just a gap
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: wide enough that you see as vitals or do you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like a gap wide enough that you see the whole deer?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Or do you like to have enough space that it
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: can be walking and maybe you're trying to stop it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: If it doesn't stop right away, you still have that
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Uh what about that? It just it just depends because
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: for me, I'm not necessarily a lane trimmer anymore. I'm
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: more of a pocket trimmer, uh to where I can
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: get away with trimming the absolute least amount of branches
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I have to and still stay relatively hidden. Like I'm
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a huge fan of, you know, trying to stay concealed
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: up while up in the tree. So if I have
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: branches in my way or in front of me, that's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a good thing. Um. But when i'm you know, when
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm cutting my lanes, all I care about is enough
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to get an arrow through. So I'd say maybe the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: size of a basketball. Y. Yeah, I know people are
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I know other people are like that too. That just
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: like scared is me. I just feel I've had a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: couple of times where that's bitten me in the butt
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: where you just can't get in the stop in time,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: or like the one place they're at is just off
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of that. I mean that buck last year in Michigan,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then I had the biggest before I killed Frank.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: This would have been the biggest buck I would have
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: ever had a shot at in Michigan, like a hundred
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, definitely mature hundred and fifty type class
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: buck that was at twenty five yards. And because I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: didn't trim this little spot, I couldn't shoot that deer
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and that just is still haunting me now. Um So
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I tend to go a little bit the other way
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: than you, Dan I And this might be a mistake,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's because I'm just so paranoid
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: about having other things like that happened in the past years.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I've had the same thing. I've leaned a little bit
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: more towards I want more space at the area of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the deer, So in the tree, I try to keep
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: as much stuff around me in the trees that possibly
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: can because of the cover. But once you get down
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to the point where the deer is going to be,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I'd like to clear as much as I can get
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: away with, um to give me at least a deer's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: length of a body to shoot, Like, give me that
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know, four ft. Maybe this is like a best
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: case scenario. But if I can get away with that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kind of gap where deer can walk through and I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: could stop him, and if he doesn't stop right away,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I can still get a shot. I like that one.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I can. I have not personally seen deer react negatively
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to that yet. But I'm doing that, you know, months
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: ahead of the season. I wouldn't do that during the season. Um.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: If I was doing a running gun set up, I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: would be super super minimal. Um. But if I'm determined
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: lanes in July or early August, I pushed it a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: little bit, um Spencer, What what are you gonna say? Yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: just real quick, let me uh tell you an example
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: or a little story here about for five years I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: sat in one tree, lots of good movement, lots of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: good movement, and every year I trimmed all these branches
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: out of the way. I wish I started just just
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: uh to interrupt, but I just wish that when you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: say for five years you set in one tree, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: wish that was true in like its purest form, Like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I wish you set nowhere but one tree for five years,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that that would be an amazing story, that would be Anyway,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I'm in this one tree every year, I had to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: stand in it. Every year, I had to stand in it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And I trimmed all these lanes. Every year. I would
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: go in prepat new lanes, you know, I would all
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the new growth that was around there, nice lane. And
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what eventually happened was there was a clearing now, like
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: just a big gap in the woods, and the deer
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: started flanking that position, either coming towards the tree too
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: close and flanking behind or going way around around it. So, um,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I had to move like three trees down and kind
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of start that process all over again because they were
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why. It's not like they
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: were getting spooked all the time coming through it, because
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the deer would still come through it, but it was
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: like they didn't feel comfortable in this gap. And and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I don't trim as
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: much anymore. Yeah, I worry about that, I know, or
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I think I might have taken it too far. Last year, Um,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: there was a spot that I had had a really
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: close call with holy Field that last year I was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: hunting him and I had him at forty yards. But
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: because of because I was trying to be minimal the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: first time I trimed lanes and it was a really thick,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: nasty bedding area and the first year I had holy
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Field at forty couldn't get a shot. So the next year,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: which is last summer, I was like, I'm gonna get
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a good clear shot there here because it's such a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: good spot. There's so many deer that cruise there here
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: during the rut. I can't miss an opportunity here again.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe it went overboard with it because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it was such a thick, nasty tangle of stuff that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to open it up, I mean, I had to trim
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a ton of tiny little trees out of there, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I cleared up like a several foot wide basically like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: landing strip through that thicket. And you know, it was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: great for a student lane now, But I had a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: can I put a camera in there, and I put
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it in there in like August or late July whenever
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it was that I did that trimming. I hung the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: camera and then I left and I did not come
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: back until I hunted it like November five or six
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: or something, and it was way worse as far as
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: activity than I had seen in the past and expected. Um,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that could have been happenstance, just coincidence that the activity
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: went down, or maybe it was because I had so
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: much activity so much more clear than they were used
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to in there. Um, I might have might have pushed
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: it too far. So, Man, I feel it's a balancing act.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's kind of hard to know exactly where that point
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of no return is, but you do need to think
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: about it, Um, Spencer, What about you. My trimming strategy
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: has kind of changed over the years, Um, I sort
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of learned that there's a fallacy with trimming a bunch
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: when you're hanging and doing scouting and doing your summer chores.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Because you sit up in a tree stand in June
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: or July and you're surrounded by all this green foliage
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and you're like, man, I got a lot
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of trimming to be done here if I want to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: get a shot out of this thing. And so you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: sit there in your trimman, trimm and trim, and like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: by the time you go to sit there in late
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: October or early November. It is just way way wide open, yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: because all those leaves are now gone. So what I've
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: gone to over these last few years is I will
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: do some like very obvious trimming in the summer and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: get rid of like the branches that most certainly have
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to go. But besides that, I'll just keep a sop
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with me and I'll trim kind of as I go
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: throughout the season, because there's some stands that I will hunt,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, September through noven and so when I come
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in September, I have to trim more than I would
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in October. But if I have a stand that I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: may haunt September through November, but I never do haunt
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it in September, that is an advantage to me if
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I come there in October and I didn't do all
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that excess trimming for a September haunt. So that's why
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: at this point I kind of like to trim just
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: as I go throughout the year. So do you bring
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a handsaw with you in season or do you bring
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a telescoping pulsa just a handsoft Like I said, I'll
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: do the obvious stuff um with a pul saw. In
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the summer, if there's anything that that certainly has to go,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or branches that I like otherwise wouldn't be able to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: reach that seemed like they need to go. Um. But
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: basically throughout the rest of the year, I just keep
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: hands off with me and and trim on a need
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to do basis, even during your running guns. Um. Yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because it seems like I'm not returning to the same
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: spot very often with a running gun. Um. If I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: have a place that I'm consistently going with a run
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and gun, I'll end up just putting a permanent set
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: up there. What about you, Dan, What what saw system
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: are you taking in season? Well? You know, if I know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: if I know I'm going to uh a stand that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: already pre hung or pre cut or whatever I've been
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: there before earlier in the season, then I'm you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I always have I always have a hands all in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: my pocket or in my pack. But if I'm doing
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a straight running gun, going in reading sign, read terrain,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: playing the wind, it's gonna be a full pole saw
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in my in my back with me. Yeah, I have
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to have it. Yeah, I hate, I hate carrying them in,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: but I'm usually fifty fifty on it if I know
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it's an area that's like if I if I'm very
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: confident that it's an arroganst me relatively open, I'll try
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: to get away with just the hand saw. But six
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: times out of ten, you just you have to bring
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a pulse on there, whether you to make sure you've
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: got out. But then again, I hate having to do
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that in season. I try to, you know, being out there,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: having to walk away from the tree to use a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: pulsar or something like that that you know, that's a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: disturbance I hate to make. But again balancing act. Right. So,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: so with all that stuff being the case, then with
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: those pulsaws and whatnot, what about in the summer weft
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: after you trim those lanes, you've got limbs and stuff
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: sitting on the ground. Are you guys the type that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: take all your limbs and move them off into a
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: pile or do you just kind of leave them strewn
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: about where they're at? Um? Are you worried about touching them?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Getting your scent on stuff? Like? Where do you stand with?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: What do you do with everything after you cut it? Spencer? Um?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: The question as far as like bea being a sense
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: of human being there that doesn't concern me at all
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: me touching them or or moving them around or anything
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: like that. Um. Lately, I've been doing this more where
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I try to like make some use out of them.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And if there's two or three trails in the area,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'll try to make one that's like impassable and at
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a certain junction where a deer can split off and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: either come by my tree stand or take the other
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: trail and and not come by my tree stand, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: basically try to cover that up anymore and and send
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: dear my way. So I've been doing that more. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: can't say that it's helped me, uh, but it gives
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: me a little more confidence. I feel better about where
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: my tree stand is if I'm then picking the kind
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of between like a spotty and spot B and they
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: seem very similar. That's that's one thing that I like
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I've done that sometimes, I kind of
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: agree with you. I haven't. I don't make a rule
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of it. I haven't seen it be you know, effective,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but I don't. I do know some situations where that helps. Um.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It happened this last September too, where it was like
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a really funny kick in the nuts where I had
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: done that. I covered up one trail with all these
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: branches that I had just treamed trimmed that were full
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of these nice green leaves. And then some deer come
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: down the trail and they go that way and they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: stand there and they eat the leaves off of the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: branches that I just trimmed, and it was some great
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: irony there. Yeah, that is funny. I actually, now you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: bring that up. I had that happened last September as well. Um,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But it was like it wasn't a block situation. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to block a trail. I just tried to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: move these limbs just out of the way, away from
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: where I thought the deer would because I didn't want
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a deer to go over there and smell it where
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I was wearing gloves. But still I was worried about that. Um.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I think I even spread a little nose jam just
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to try to make sure that they didn't smell it. Well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: first thing, the first group of deer does, They walk
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in and like saw these fresh green leaves, and the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: spot that usually weren't went right to it. So, yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: what about what about you, Dan, I don't really worry
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: about it, fair enough. I mean, I could sit here
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and go into detail why, but it's like I don't
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: think about it. It's not I've seen him eat leaves
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: off of the trees that I've cut down, but I don't.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't worry about it. So let's move
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to something else that maybe you don't worry about or
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: maybe you do, which is do you do any access
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: or exit route prepping or trimming during the summer. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: remember an example last year where we talked about doing that. Maybe, um,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: what about now? Do you try to prep a bunch
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: of stuff in the summer as far as how you're
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: going to get in and out a couple of your
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: core places or are you still just kind of figuring
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: out as you go. Yeah, it's I mean, for for
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a run and gun, I would say that I'm always
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, always thinking about good tree stand uh placements.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It's like you think about the good tree stand locations first,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not, it's it comes second, Like
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the tree stand location is second. Access route to that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: tree stand comes first, but you have to find that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: good h tree stand first, if that makes sense. So
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: it's like one A and one B type of deal.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I in the past, I've I don't cut holes and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: cut holes and fences, but cleared brush in fences, zip
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: tied the top two pieces of bob wire together so
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I can cross it easier, you know, maybe take a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: crick in. Um. Nothing that's actually too physical in cutting
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and weed whacking and stuff like that. It's just taking
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the long way around. Yeah, in past years, I've done
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. Um Like, there's on
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the main property, the main Michigan spot a hunt, there's
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a like a two track that I kind of try
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to keep maintained that helps me get to the back
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of the property that I try to mow and spraying occasion.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And then last year I opened up a tiny trail
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: through a thick piece of timber that allowed me to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: circle around a food source with more distance than I
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: used to have, just because I knew from past history
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that when I came back at night after a hunt,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that I was too use that food source from spooking deer.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So I shifted that. That was a good example of it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: This year on new property, I'm gonna try to clear
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: some ditches to use his access um where there's like
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: some nice low spots. I could walk in, but they've
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of dead limbs across it. So next
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: month or next couple of weeks, I'm gonna get in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: there with a chainsaw and try to clear some spots
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: like that. Um because because yeah, I mean to your point, Dan,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it is a little bit of what comes first, the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: chicken or the egg. But if you don't have good
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: access to a good tree stand, that good tree stand
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: is gonna be shipped pretty quick, you know. Um. But
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Bill Winky had an interesting perspective on this.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I read about and I probably talked about this in
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the past, but it just sticks with me. He wrote
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: once that he does it the opposite. He'll find like,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: where are the best access routes I have in two
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: different portions of my property, and then he'll walk those
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: access routes until he finds good ambush locations along those
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: dynamite access spots because he believes that that's more important. Um,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: So he kind of goes in reverse. I thought that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was interesting. I've not done that, but I definitely think
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: about it more. Spencer, do you do any summer access
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: or extra prep No, um, very very little, because most
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of what I hunt is river bottom that has irregular flooding,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and so it's hard to plan for anything when a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: flood may come in and just bring all kinds of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: timber or wipe out trees or add new low spots
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that weren't there before, So it's hard to plan for that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Some neighbors in the area used to do some like
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: massive massive work every offseason where they bring in a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: skid loader and they'd open up areas and try to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: improve bedding and do some stuff like that and remove
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: old trees. But they got so deterred from the flooding
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that they just stopped doing it. They were motivated, um,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: they had the equipment, they wanted to make the property better,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: but the flooding that happened every year just erased all
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of their work. And so I do very very little
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: when it comes to anything like that. Interesting another thing
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: people do during the summer um that I and this
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: kind of ties back to set up hunting locations. I've
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: tried to do a little bit more of this. I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: can't say I'm doing it every stand that I set
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: before the season. Um, but I heard this referred to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: by someone once as uh, oh gosh, I'm not gonna
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: forget what's calling sweeteners or calling calling cards. I don't know. Hell,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it is basically adding a little extra feature to a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: hunting location to get a buck to stop. And that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the most common one that I've ever done is creating
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a mock scrape or positioning a licking branch in front
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of a tree stand. Not because you think that's going
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to be the thing that draws a deer to your
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: tree stand is going to give you a shot, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the situation, like if you have a stand set, or
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: if you know you're gonna hunt a spot and you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: believe a buck is going to come through there for
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: one reason or another, if you position a mock scrape
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in one of those shooting lanes that you have prepped,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you've got to maybe a one percent better chance that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: if that buck does what you thought was gonna do,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: now you can get him to stop right where you
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: want him to, because if he passes by, he might
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: see that and stop and give you the two seconds
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you need to get a shop. I do that a
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: little bit in the summer now, trying to do more
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and more of that, just a little tiny thing to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: help have either one of you guys tried that. No,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I like to use scrapes around
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: my tree stands, but I guess it's not something that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about in this summer very much. Something I might,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you know, put in in early October, but not really
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in July, right underneath the tree stand. See. I think
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's something that like opening up the scrape,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna worry about that in July,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: but making sure there's a licking branch in position so
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that you know when you are there in October. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: think having those little things there I'm finding more and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: more just gives me that, you know, just a little
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: tiny better chance. And I'm now finding especially locations that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: have hunted in the past and are set up, like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we talked about these year after year spots every year
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and trying to find the little thing I can tweak
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to make it just a tiny bit better. So in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: one spot I did that. In another spot, I put
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in this a little bucket for a little tiny water hole. Again,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: maybe this will get a deer to to stop for
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: three seconds and give me that shot. Um, if you've
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: got the time in the summer and you have these locations,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna hunt, Um, and it's a good spot.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad idea to try to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: find just those little tiny things that you can add
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to maybe give yourself a little bit better chance. Um,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Since there's so many tiny little variables that go into
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: everyone in these hunts, I think anything you can do
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to give yourself a little bit of an edge is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: worth trying. Um. Have you thought about putting a high
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: fence around your property? That that sure, that sure would
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: get them, get them running by your stand consistently, that
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: would get them running by my stand? That that's outside
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: of my typical strategy, but it's an interesting one. Um.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That might be a conversation for another day from what
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you've seen on that side. But are there anything else
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that you guys are doing to preper location at all?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Like we talked about hanging stands, German lanes, little sweetening
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the deal a little bit, making sure there's a good
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: access route in and out, putting up ropes, putting up
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: gear hangers, anything else you do in the summer to
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: prep locations that I've missed. I think. I mean the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: older I get, the more minimal everything becomes for me. Yeah, Um,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: so would that bean the case, And what about scouting
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: stuff in the summer? Um, velvet we love seeing valvet bucks.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Do you guys spend much time or put any merit
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: in trying to see bucks in the fields in the summer? Man,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: most of my uh, most of the fields that are
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: what I would consider food sources in the summer are
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: just so big and hard to get to that yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be out there, but they're gonna be in
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a low spot feeding that I can't see from the road. Um.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Don't have the time to go do what I used
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to do, and that would go, you know, creep into
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a bean field with my buyos and sit there until
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: they would pop out. You know, I don't. I don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. Um. So you know my scouting these
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: days is just trail cameras mostly. Yeah, I man, I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: feel I have the same issue myself. I love getting
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: out there and watching bucks in the summer. Like, that's
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: one of my very favorite things to do, is to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: watch a bachelor group of valvel bucks come out into
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a field and feed in the evening. Um, but it's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the time thing that's been the struggle for me. Like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: in the evenings are so family dedicated. Now that's hard
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to get away and do that, but but I do
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: still try to a bit um at least when I'm
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: trying to tell Like you know, in past years, when
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: there's some specific bucks I was after, I was trying
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: to just determine, like is this deer still alive? I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: would try to do drive around a lot I do
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: like deer drives, and try to just check all the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: fields in that general area of the last half hour
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: daylight is as many nights as I could get away.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not patterning a deer. I'm not getting
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: any intel is really gonna help me hunt that buck.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But I just want to know is that buck alive
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and still in the general area, So that then all
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the other work I might do, or the other digital
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: scouting or thinking and planning, at least I know if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that buck is around and will probably be back on
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: my property in the fall. Um So I do that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: UM Now, Spencer year in a little bit of a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: unique situation because you now, well you used to live
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota, but South Dakota season opened up early
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: last year. You were in a position where you could
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: hunt right you know, basically at the very end of
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the summer and being in September. Uh, where where are
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you at these days with summer glassing? You know, Montana
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: has a September opener too, So are you putting some
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: some energy into that? Not specifically in Montana, No, because
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I would prefer to use that deer tag in Montana
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: that I have on a mule deer ideally I forget that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But in South Dakota UM, previously I didn't. I was
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: not concerned about what the deer were really doing in
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the summer. But because by the time archery season opened
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in late September, all that information was no longer relevant
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: because it was deer were off their summer patterns for
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the most part, the bachelory groups were broken up, they
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: were out of velvet um, food sources had changed. So
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I could put in all this effort in July and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: August and September and you know, figure out what these
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you're doing. But by the time late September came around,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter. And so last year when Southdakota moved
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: up to that September one opener, uh, it like gave
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: me a new energy for summer scouting. And once a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: week I was watching bean fields or two times a
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: week sometimes and I had way more trail cameras up uh,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you know, way more about what
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: are these deer doing in late July, because it finally
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: matters they might be doing the same thing and early September.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So I think that it largely depends on when your
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: available at haunt. If you're someone who maybe doesn't even
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: get out until you know it's just time for the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: rod at the end of October beginning of November, summer
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: scouting seems pretty pointless unless you just want to like
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: identify some deer in the area, or if you are
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: hunting like that late September. Uh. Like I said, most
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of that information doesn't matter that you're getting throughout the summer. Yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: very true, but it's it is a lot of fun.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I will say for people that if you are
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in that situation where you have the early September opener,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: or even if not, if you like like me, if
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you just want to know what Bucks made it, or
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: even you know another thing, for another reason I've done
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: this in the past is that when I'm hunting a
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: new area and just trying to get a better understanding
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: of what the quality buck is in the area. Like
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: if I'm trying to find a spot to hunt in Ohio,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I've gone down and checked out different little regions and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: then plan on having a night or two to just
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: do a deer drive. So I when I say a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: deer drive, driving back roads, looking at fields, that just
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: can help give you a really good quick snapshot of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: what are we, what's availing elbow around here, what quality
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of dear, what age class of deer? I don't know
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: of a better quick way to do that. Um, So
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I would say a couple of things to keep in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: mind if you want to do that. If you were
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: going to do the drive by thing, it's always better
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: if you see a group of bucks. Uh, don't slam
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: on your brakes. Lots of times I'll just keep driving
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and then I'll turn around and just try to come
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: back and stop the vehicle just at the edge where
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you can see them, but not like wide open views,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: so they you know, see you and spook off. That's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: one thing I've tried to do that helps just be
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: able to watch deer for a little bit longer time. Um.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Another thing is whether you're doing this from your vehicle
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or if you're actually gonna sneak into a spot, um,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you know, hike in and try to watch a bean
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: field way in the back. Deer act the same way
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in the summer as they do during hunting season, and
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that cold fronts and stuff like that impact them still.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So if I've got like one night during the week
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to try to get out and do
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: one of these deer drives, or I'm gonna try to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: sneak out and watch a bean field, I'll try to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: time it if there's been a cold front coming through
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: or a little a rain or something. I'm gonna try
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to be efficient with my time, and that's a good
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: way to do it. And then the last thing is
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna sneak back in glass of field, think
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like you're hunting, So think about the wind, think about
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: your access. All the same stuff that will spook a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: deer during the hunting season will spook a deer in
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the summer. And if you're trying to see those deer
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to learn something, uh, you know, spooking them with your
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: wind as you hike in is is obviously self defeating.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So just you know, pay a little attention to those
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: details even during the summer if you're trying to get
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that information. Um So, all that said that gets to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: trail cameras. I run trail cameras now in the summer
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: mostly just to see what bucks are in the area,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: what bucks made it, And that's that's kind of it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: It's such a fun thing, and then I want to know, Okay,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: what do I possibly have here to work with? But
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I know that there's like a chance that a buck
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that shows up on camera in the summer might not
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: be there than the fall. So I still run cameras
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: knowing that because it gives me like a ballpark idea. Um, Dan,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: where's your head at there? Man? I think we talked
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: about this on a previous podcast. Man, um you know, summer,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I I just got my trail cameras out, like typically,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I like to have them out when I put them
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: out when I go turkey hunting because I just find
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: lots of enjoyment of watching antlers developed over a period
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of time. That's I just get a real kick out
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of that. But Mike Spencer said, the information that you're
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: getting in the summertime necessarily isn't what's gonna hold true
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: come the actual hunting season. So for me, trail cameras
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in the summer are uh hey, look at cool velvet picks,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and okay, this buck has returned, and educating myself on
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: their characteristics to know if this buck is a shooter.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So for me, I can relate that back to this
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: past year, where all I had to do was take
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a real quick, like half a second look at the deer.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I did fire his rack. He's a he's a five
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: year old shooter. And that's that's how you know. I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: don't need to put my binos up. I don't need
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to do any extra movement. I've identified him. He's now
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: it's not now goes to kill mode. So it's all
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that education before. Yeah, that's a really good point. It's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a small thing, but I think that if you're able
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to study pictures of a buck well ahead of time
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and think through Okay, I think this buck's definitely mature
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, if you're able to make that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: decision in August and then not have to worry about
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: your mind racing through all that on November one, when
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the deer is approaching that you know, two seconds of
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: mind time can make a big difference. Um, So that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: is a very good point. That summer pictures are worth
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: it for no other reason, just to try to have
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that lined up. And even though maybe you know three
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: out of the four bucks maybe that you identify on
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: camera aren't going to baby be there during hunting season,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: or two out of the four or whatever, I'd rather
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: know than not so that the situation arises, you're you're
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: ready for um, dude, do you do? You fall in
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the same play spencer. Once South Dakota moved up to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: this September one opener, then I was like totally invested
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in summertime trail cameras. Whereas before that I didn't do
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: much of it. I enjoyed it, I loved seeing the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: pictures and stuff, but like I said before, just that
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: much of it was relevant and it was never going
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: to like actually helped me kill a deer. But when
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I moved out to that September one opener, um I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: was all in. I had cameras out in mid June.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I started taking advantage of, you know, some of the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: South Dakota laws that allowed baiting. For example, you can
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: bait up until August fifteenth, but you cannot bait, utilize,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: or maintain, uh like any kind of mineral station after that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So I would get these cameras up in in well
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: traveled areas and I started bait piles, and I maintain them,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you know, up until early August, and then after that
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I just shift the cameras a little bit and start
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a mock scrape in that same area, just because the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: deer might have been traveling through their but that mineral
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: like really brought them in front of the camera, whereas
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: otherwise they might have been five ft over too far
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and you never would have seen them. So that's where
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like that summertime baiting was awesome. You get three or
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: four deer in the same picture, and then once that ends, uh,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you start the scrapes and it kind of does the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: same thing, but to a lesser degree certainly. So that's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: how I started using my trail cameras in the summer,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: once that information became a lot more relevant. Yeah, man,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: once I understand, I support the baiting band in Michigan
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to um, you know, because of disease concerns. But that's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the biggest downside for me with that is that I
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: miss being able to put mineral out in the summer
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: for camera pictures because that is such a great draw
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: to have some something I like that like salt, Lauer,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: trophy rock or whatever. So good for getting summer pictures
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: without it much much more difficult. My summer pictures have
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: went down dramatically. But now what I try to do
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: as far as positioning without bait without a mineral, is
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: on the on the best food source I have on
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that property at the most popular access point into that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: into that food source. And then even though bucks aren't
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: working scrapes in the summer, if there's a licking branch,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: many times I still get deer checking the licking branch.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: They'll walk past it stopped for a second. Um, So
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I put licking branches if they're not already, or I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: positioned my cameras with a licking branch in the frame
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: on all my summer cameras too, And that is actually
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: helping a little bit. Um without the ability to have bait,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that's one tiny thing to give me like a five
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: percent better chance to get a summer picture. Um. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: then water sources are the one other thing. And I'm
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: guessing you guys are the same way that like your
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: favorite summertime location for a trio cameras on a field
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: edge and that is where just like a little a
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: little mineral pile goes a long long way. You're certainly
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not pulling in deer from like neighboring properties or anything
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: dramatic like that, but you're pulling in a deer that
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: was maybe going to stand two rows out in the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: corner or something. But now you're pulling him to the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: edge of the field and you're getting a picture. Uh,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna get just way better inventory if you
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: have the ability to do that. Dan, do you still
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: put corn out in the summer or something? Uh? Mineral? Yeah, yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: just a little bit way less than what I used to. Um.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I used to put one bucket twice a summer, like
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: lucky buck out. Now I'm putting maybe one bucket out
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: per location for the entire summer. So I've kind of
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: cut it, cut it almost in half. And just because like, uh,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: like you learned in school, a dot does a lot, man,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: They'll come to that They'll come to that location again
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and again and again, even though the actual product is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: dissolved and deteriorated. What does that mean? And what school
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: did you learn? A dot is a lot? Dude? When
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you're using glue, right, a dot does a lot. And
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: then because you know, when I was a kid, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: was just like smashing the glue bottle down and glue
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: would go all over the place, and I'd like just
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to glue an eyeball on a caterpillar. But now you
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: just do a little dot and it does the same thing.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna use that in
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the future. Um, speaking of a little, there's a lot sometimes.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: What about how often you guys are checking those cameras
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: in the summer. I know, when I first started running
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: cameras a lot um, it was so exciting that I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: was going and checking them every week, even during the summer. Uh.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Now I've drastically changed that too. Some cameras I don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: only check once in the summer. Otherwise usually I do
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: like a minimum of a month, Like I'm mostly putting
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: cameras out, you know, early summer to midsummer, and then
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I'll check them at the end of the summer. Ah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: or where are you there on that day? I think
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you're you're moving more that direction, aren't you. Yeah, man,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I mean last year I checked mine one time during
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the whole summer. Um, I had him up like first
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of June, checked them one time in late July early August,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and then another time when I actually take them down
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: off the mineral stations and move them to the hunting locations. Yeah,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and that that's it, or twice, you know, spencer um
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: in this summer. If I had a good access, like
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: say it was on the edge of a bean field,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and I could park, uh, you know, four yards away
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and walked to the edge of the bean field and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: never like step foot into any timber or any draws
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I was doing it quite often,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and I would have those mineral piles there. I'd carry
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: with me, you know, a laptop and like a weed
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: eater to knock down the new growth. If the access
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: is easy and available, I was doing it quite often.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: But some of those that you actually get on like
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: a travel route or something leading up into that being field,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: like you guys almost not check it the entire summer. Yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And I guess it also is different to if you're
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: if you're hunting the early opener. I could see if
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: if I had a September one or August thirty opening
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: day in those weeks leading up to the season, I
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: might be a little more interested in checking those cameras
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: or repositioning them. Even if I'm if I'm actually using
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: my summer cameras to try to pattern a deer um,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that's a different story versus just trying to get you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: what bucks are here and and and then kind of
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: move from that point, So different depending on what part
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of the country you're in. UM. One other thing that
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: kind of is related to this whole trail camera topic
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of like where you're positioning your summer cameras. It's also
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: another summer project that I do and you guys probably
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: don't ever do this because you don't have spots um
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: where you can do habit at work, at least from
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: what I can remember ever hearing from you guys. There
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: are some properties where I can plant food plots now
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and or have like fields that are open. So something
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I'm doing in all my fields or food plots is
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: putting in fake scrape trees in the summer, And I
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: think that's worth explaining. You know, I've talked about in
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the past, but just again, if this is someone listening
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to this and this stuff is still new to them,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: this is a really helpful thing. If you have a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: spot that you're hunting where there's an opening or a
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: food plot or a field or something, and you need again,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: this is another one of those little, little tiny one
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: percent to percent help type things, a little sweetening up
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the deal. Basically, it's the same idea I talked about
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: earlier where I'd like to have licking branches or mock
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: scrapes near my tree stands. This is essentially putting a
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: tree in an opening and making a mock scrape underneath it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: So you just use post hole diggers dig a two
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: ft three ft deep um hole, put you know, cut
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a tree limb down that you know looks like a
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: small tree, or cut a small tree planted in that whole.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Bury it tight, so it's going to be firmly in
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the ground. And make sure you have a couple of
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: branches positioned at about deer eye height level where they
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: would naturally want to use that as a licking branch. Right,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: this overhanging branch over scrape. So I position that in
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the summer, even though it's August or something. I'll still
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: kick up the ground underneath it, and then I'll make
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: sure that there's a branch to its kind of snapped
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and leaned down over that kicked up dusty area, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: right away, usually deer start hitting that even in the summer.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're scraping underneath it, but they're
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: checking it out. And I know we've talked about this
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: in the past two deer kind of like bass in
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a lake, right If you're trying to find bass in
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the lake, lots of times you're looking for structure, something
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: out there that will draw fish to it. Dear the
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: same way, if there's an opening and then there's one
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: piece of structure in the middle of that opening, many
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: times they're gonna be drawn to that little piece of
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: cover to send check it, to see what's going on.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Um if there's a scrape there, to check that. So
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: anywhere now that I have these openings, I'm planting a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: mock scrape tree in it because it's gonna give me
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that little chance that it's gonna have a buck. Maybe
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: there's a buck passing through the opening. This might get
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: him to move five yards closer to me where I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: want him to be and to stop at that mock scrape.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that I oftentimes whenever
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I do that, I make sure there's a trail camera
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: trained at that spot too, and for the last like
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: four years I've been doing this, those are some of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: my very best trial camera locations. Whether it be summer
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: or fall, it's very good. Um. Once you get to
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the fall time period, if I sneak in there to
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: hunt or something, I will open up that scrape, you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: since they're typically not opening it up in the summer
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: at all, But once you get into October, I'll open
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: it up and then usually keep it going right from
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: that point. Um. So that's a quick summer project that
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm probably gonna be prepping one, two, three,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: four or five, I don't know, five or six of
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: those this summer um. And i'd say the one thing
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I learned about that is that you don't want to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: get lazy as far as how deep you bury those.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: If you go to shallow with him, then bucks oftentimes
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: will rub up on them, they'll hit them, they'll you know,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: rake their their antlers through the limbs, and lots of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: times they'll get knocked over. So dig them deep, burying
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: them are good and tight, and make sure it's secure,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and I think you'll be you'll be happy you did
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that in October and November when you watch a buck
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: walk up to it and start tarant to shreds. So
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that's a random summer thing I do. Are there any
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: other random summer things either one of you guys are
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: doing or we kind of covered most of the projects
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that you guys are thinking about this time of year.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Anything else spensor well? On that same note, uh, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: like to use scrapes in the summer and like really
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: early fall. Like most people I used to think of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: scrapes is just like in October thing they would start
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: then that they would hit him then, and that is
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the only time that you know a scrape is useful.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: But I found this study a few years ago that
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Deer and Deer Hunting magazine covered and they looked at
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: in enclosed deer population and they did this over four years.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: In the first year, they didn't put any scrapes out
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: um and on September only one scrape had been observed
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: that was started or used by those year. The next
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: year they started some scrapes in very early September, and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: by September so the same date as their prior or,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: only one scrape was opened up. That year, there was
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: thirty two different scrapes that were opened up either by
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: deer themselves or that the researchers had started in the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: deer it hit. And when they started that first scrape
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: on September six, within twenty four hours they had deer
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: already hitting that scrape. And so it really opened up
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: my eyes that if scrapes are present, deer at the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: very least are going to visit them, and you're going
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: to get a picture of them. So it's something that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think is going to help me necessarily kill
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: a deer. But if I'm going into a property deep
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and I can't like carry mineral on my back and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: like carry a weed either to open up all this space, uh,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll throw some like deer year in in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: my bag and I'll start a scrape in July or August.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Uh if it's not a convenient place to to take
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: mineral too, and those deer will visit. It has the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: same effect of you know, like pulling in some deep
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not as dramatic as manerald. It's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: not pulling in deer from other properties that you otherwise
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't see. But it will help you get some more
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: pictures and help with him into Yeah, I definitely definitely
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: seen the same thing. What about you, Dan? Any other
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: random summer stuff not really just brownie points. Man, make
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: sure the wife is taken care of so that when
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: she you know, it just it never ceases to amaze
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: me that hunting season is always this big sneak up
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: surprise that happens every year and she knows it's not right.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same time every single year. But
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I have to make sure I put the brownie points
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: in so that it kind of softens the blow. What
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: are what are some examples, Dan, Just you know, take
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: her out, make sure she has a couple of days,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you know, um throughout the you know, throughout the summer
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever with no kids. You know, she ask her
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: girls nights. I'm taking her to Nashville on a trip
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: um in August, and then you know, I can ruin
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: all of that in September, October, November, and in extreme cases,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you do, like a California vineyards, right that that was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: an extreme, but it doesn't like for her, it doesn't
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: for me. It was like, holy sh it, I just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: spent all this money on this trip for her. There's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: no it's not weighted. It all equals the same, right,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I was gonna wonder, was was the payoff for you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: in proportion to the cost that you put into it?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Did you get what you're hoping you're gonna get out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of that? Now? Between me and you, Mark and Spencer.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Because I know my wife doesn't listen to this, I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: probably would have paid double just so I could go
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: on my elk cut, you know what I mean. Like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: but I bet I bet you about the cost instead.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, though it's it's a good point. Now.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: It is a good time to try to make sure
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: you're ahead of the game as much stuff as possible,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: because we all know that the fall gets a little crazy. So, hey,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going on to elk hunt. Oh really, yeah, we
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: talked about it. Okay, Hey, I'm going on a meal
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: deer hunt. Uh oh wait what? Uh yeah, we talked
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: about it. Okay, Okay, Hey it's November. I'll see you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: in two weeks. What um waited? When are you gonna
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: be home? Okay? Well? God? And then you know she
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: hasn't divorced me yet. Uh yeah, that's that's fun stuff.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: It definitely gets trickier with the kids. I'm beginning to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: understand that. Um, I think maybe we should wrap it
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: up there. There's more stuff, you know. I know that
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of archery stuff going on the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: summer for people. Hopefully, there's a lot of trail camera
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: stuff we talked about two weeks ago, Dan, people can
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: refer back to that for simmer ideas as far as
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: starting to analyze some annual pattern this is a good
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: time to be thinking about those things for the future. Um.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of habitat stuff, a lot
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: of like August is gonna be a whole lot of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: food plot time for me, and some various habitat projects. Um.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But I think we can those are topics that maybe
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: our our whole episodes on their own, So we'll cover
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that stuff here in the coming weeks. I got a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: closing though. You gotta closing, alright, So running through all
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: my trail cameras throughout the rut Um in two eighteen
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and checking them and identifying them. Do you remember a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: buckeye named Spencer new Heart? Yes, okay, alright, So Spencer
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: showed up a lot throughout the farm in two thousand
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and eighteen, and if he shows back up this year
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: he will be probably number two on the hit list.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: And there's a good chance I try to kill you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: this year, but I hope you do because you have
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: to return the favor because I killed you last December.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right as true. Lieutenant Dan got uh
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: got hit last year, so hits so hard he dropped
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: his antlers. So so yeah, Dan, the pressures on you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: to return it, keep us, keep us post on that.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I would love to see this progress that the season
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: and um mark the mark Kenyon Buck. That was an
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: anti climatic ending. We never knew what happened. Hey you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: gotta sheds right, which is awesome? Yeah? Alright boy? How
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: how hold on? How how big is Spencer Newarth? And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: so I haven't checked truke cameras yet? Right? If he
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: shows back up and let's say he puts on him
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: on minimum growth, uh, I would say maybe low one
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: sixties as a eleven wow, mm hmm. That's a hell
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: of a buck. How old? Uh see this year, I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: gonna put him in the five year old range. Okay,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: so if we were too, you know, try to take
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: how you you judge a buck his age, his antler class, um,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: and then you kind of apply these these numbers to him.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: If you were to take the same thing and try
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: to look at a human being and like try to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: judge a human being his maturity and like what quality
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: rack he has. If we looked at the real Spencer
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: new Hearth, what kind of maturity level and rack quality
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: would you give Spencer? So I'm I just envisioned this deer, right,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: if if we actually took Spencer and morphed him into
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: a deer, it would be a deer with like one
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: awesome side, right, just like a beautiful Bucky. You see
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: him coming broadside, You're like, oh my god, this buck
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: is awesome. But then he turns and you see he's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: got this droopy little ball on the other side, like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: maybe wounded the previous year. What are you saying about
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Spencer's balls? Oh not a testicles. I'm talking like a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: drooping ball of antler on the other side. Oh wow,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be much kinder to you, Spencer than that.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a good unique. You know, anybody kill
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: a ten pointer, right, I mean that that bucks got character. Well,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Dan Dan was a perfect five by five and he
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: was super wise. He end up going to huntes. But
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: by the end of the season he was limping. He
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: was skinny. You could see his ribs, so he was
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: in really rough shape by the by the end of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the rods. I'm guessing that's the same case for you.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: It's just age age. I limped every day. Now, I
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: was gonna say that sounds like Dan after our I'll
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: count a few years ago. So I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: perfect representation. And on that note, I think it's a
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: good place. We can't we can't end there, Sorry, we can't. Well,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: we didn't, we didn't more Mark Kenyan Spencer, What does
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon look like? M you're gonna have to tell me.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't recall the I'm gonna call him like, uh no, no, no, no,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: not the buck I named Mark Kenyan. If we're more
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: morphing author podcaster to your hunting god into a buck,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: if we're gonnace him, we gotta we gotta talk about
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: what he looks like too, because we've talked about us. Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: just like the shortest little whiskers, the shortest ones you've
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: ever seen. That's what I did would have He's he's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the two year old, three year old that comes in
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: every time you rattle, and then he walks away, and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you rattle again, and he blows back in, and then
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: you ratt up again, he blows back in. Yeah, that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: sounds right. That does sound right. Maybe like a hundred
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: five Rookie of the Year, man rookie of the year,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: and on that, on that we will close and and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: deceiving deceivingly tall. Every time I see market Gain in person,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: like son of a bit, he's still tall. I always
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: forget real walk neck on that, dear. I don't know
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: why people always say that, but it's it's a common thing.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, wow, you're taller than I expected. Okay,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: we really need to wrap this one up. So with that,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: thank you for making the time, Spencer and Dan and uh,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: let's shut it down. So that's it, hope. I hope
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this one and the hopefully some helpful
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: stuff in between, some weird random moments and stories. And
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious if there's any artists out there, if
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: any of you can take the way we've described our
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: three bucks that we would be if anyone can interpret
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: that visually and some cool artwork, I would be very
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: interested to see what that looks like. Uh and and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: if I see something good, I would definitely share that
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: online through Instagram, Facebook. That's that's my challenge to any
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: of you artists out there. So thank you for listening,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: thanks for your time. Until next time, stay wired talk
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: m hmmmm