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Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – Show #53 – Tom McDonald Interview · Full Spectrum Cycling

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  Weekly Dose of Fat, show number 53 for Friday, April 24th, 2015.
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  [upbeat music] Fresh from their fat bike surfing safari, it's my pleasure to introduce the hosts of Weekly Dose of Fat, Cali Fresh Sven and Organically Grown Gnomeads.
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  Welcome, earthlings. Hey, it's Earth Day here on Earth.
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  We'd like to, uh, we'd like to give a happy Earth Day to our, all the inhabitants of Earth, all you kids out there, all you, uh, moms, dads, all you humanoids, all you, uh- Whales... bipeds.
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  Save the whales, save the snails. And, uh, we'd like to start the show with a little number by David Bowie. "Ground control to Major Tom" [laughs] [laughs]
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  Uh, "Comin' soon, count down, here's JK" [laughs] Welcome home, you weary travelers. [laughs] Uh, yeah, it's pretty good to be back. California, though, pretty sweet.
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  Did you know that, uh, the Weekly Dose of Fat is sponsored by Surly Bikes? Surly pioneered the plus side bike joint. Check out the true instigator of fat back fun at surlybikes.com. Not major tom.
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  [laughs] So, uh, what's happening on the show this week, JK? On deck we have special guest Tom McDonald. We delve into beards and beer. We continue to probe the weekly dose of web-footed weasels.
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  And of course, we lay down a thick layer of links from Det Terror Interwebs. You know, I only...
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  We didn't see any live sea otters, but I did see a dude walking around in a giant otter costume, you know, plushy, plushy costume.
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  That's- So it's a good thing we didn't bring JK with us, 'cause, you know- I'm a furry lover. [laughs] I saw a seal. Oh yeah, we saw a couple of dead seals. It was, like, weird. They ate the seal s- skull out.
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  I saw the live seal. It was- You saw a live- It was cool... Oh, well you saw a live seal but he was trapped up against [laughs] a breakwater or something. Poor guy. Yeah, I felt bad for him.
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  But, uh, what do we got going on with beer and beards this week? Well the beer, I stopped- It's being run far... and I got, uh- Go run for the beer, JK...
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  I got some Hofbräuhaus, 'cause we actually have a Hofbräu beer, uh, Schnoodle here right at our beer hall, right? Right. At, right in Milwaukee, right downtown Milwaukee. [laughs] Yeah, Beer Schnoodle.
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  [burps] Yes, we do have Beer Schnoodles here in Milwaukee. [laughs] And, uh, I've been there, and, you know, it's kind of cool that you guys are kind of more, you know, plugged in to the Milwaukee scene.
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  I said, yeah, [laughs] I was there late one night and there was a one-man band rocking, uh, flaming... What is it? The- Bl- Blister in the Sun. Blister in the Sun, yeah. Right.
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  And we were like- From your, from your Violent Females. Right, from the Violent Fems. And you guys were like, "Oh, that's probably that guy." Probably, probably, uh- That's Segment... Segment Snowpack III.
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  Yes, uh, recently inducted into the Whammy Hall of Fame. Right on. This past week. Oh, oh, this is delicious. Oh. I drank it before we toasted. [laughs] Here, cheers boys. Whoop. How's the DK lager? Hofbräu. Whoo.
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  Hofbräu. Dunkel. Dunkler. So this is, uh... That, that means dark, Dunkel. And it's sweet and it's got brown sugary and oh, it's just like kissing a Mexican girl. [laughs] It's good stuff.
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  [laughs] Different after having a Sculpin Fluffer. Yep. [laughs] Yeah, we had- But, uh-... we had a pretty kickass...
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  Uh, I, I went beer shopping and, uh, I picked up some Ballast Point Sculpin for our FlufferBeer- FlufferBeer... which gets like 112 rating from Beer Advocate.
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  Graded on a curve of course, you know, you know, depending on the fa- flavor of the month and whatnot. But, uh, uh, we have a, we have 5.5 ABV here. It's a 85 Beer Advocate rating. Yeah.
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  86 beer score or a bro score- Bro... 'cause those guys, the bros know what it's about. Bro know. It's worth that extra one point. Very good, bros. And this would be a beer that I would basically take a bath in.
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  [laughs] Well- I'm glad we're here in bottles... unless you're taking a bath in my mouth, uh- [laughs]... I don't think we have enough beer. [laughs] It'd be like... Future band name. Band of Mine.
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  [laughs] So Bath In My Mouth. [laughs] Commercial segment. So the beard segment. Have we, has the beard segment run its course? Are we still passionate about our facial hair?
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  Actually, I- I'm passionate about kind of restarting. Yeah? Yeah. Because that means it'll be a little nicer out. I want to keep a crew cut on my beard for a while.
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  But I'm not really not hating on the, the Fu Manchu flowing. But, uh- Because nobody gives a shit. [laughs] Yeah. That's the best part. It's like I'm at my own terms of getting rid of this or playing around with it.
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  It's pretty- Well, I thought the itchy phase was only when you were growing it out, but it turns out it's also when you're trimming it back, so- Yeah...
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  I'm gonna let it get a little longer again and get past itch phase number one. [laughs] So I brought with me here some Cedar Hill Farms mustache wax. Oh, Lord.
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  I've been following, uh, Sven's practice of not trimming the mustache, which means it's basically down to my waist now. [laughs] Just kidding. But the mustache wax actually does help keep it out of the way.
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  Keep that out- I'm not sure-... keeps it out of the eatery area here, right? Oh. Mm-hmm. So does water. So does what? [laughs] So does water. So does what? Water. Are you, are you harshing on- So, I know...
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  so would wind. [laughs] I just do. I don't know. And what's this story about having a burdock in your, in your chew? For a while. Yeah. How long was that? I don't know. Anyhow. It was about, like, a half hour. Yeah.
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  Half hour of riding, though. I was kind of impressed by that. Hmm. So apparently it was at the start of a ride, and then, "Ahaha, I put a burr in your mustache and you didn't notice."
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  [laughs] And, uh- Some clever people think- Some clever-... of funny things... yeah. And then it was still there at the- It's like-... 30-minute mark... the old game- And like, "Oh, dude"...
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  we used to play in prison, hide the burr. [laughs] Lessons have to be learned. Yep. [laughs] And they will be learned whether people want to or not. Well. Oh, have you ever caught anything in your beards, friend?
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  No, I don't... Well, maybe a little California dust and sand when we were out there at the old Sea Otter, but- Is it, like, all we are is dust in the wind? All we are- That California dust? All we are is dust.
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  All we are is Kansas dust. We're just- [laughs] We're just Dustin Hoffman. Hey, ow. California. That was a Snowpack tune. All we are is Dustin Hoffman. [laughs] Everyone is Dustin Hoffman.
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  [laughs] Hey, I bet you guys didn't know that this week's Beards and Beer segment was sponsored by Uncle Dick's Bead Slip. We'll be giving away tins of Uncle Dick's to callers later in the show. So call in.
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  The number is, uh, 818-918-2453. That, I think that 2453 actually spells out bike. Right. That's clever, right? That's kind of the thing that we're, uh, we're into, we're into, like, bikes- Bikes... and stuff.
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  But if you call in, we got, like, schwag to give you and stuff. We're... I know that we're extremely scary people, but call in. We're lonely. Make sure it's Wednesday, 8:00 PM CST. Please. Ugh.
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  [laughs] And- Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to [laughs] go in over that. We'll be right back with Tom McDonald after this from our sponsors.
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  This is Wayne Chapman from Dirtworks Australia, purveyors of fine goods like Salter bikes and nice bicycle tow parts. When I'm not molesting kangaroos, I, uh, I always listen to Fatbike.com.
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  Yeah, you're listening to the weekly dose of Adam Smalling-Gomez and our faithful companion, the Fu Man Chude. [laughs] Dance- dancing chimp. [laughs] Dancing chimp. [laughs] JK Living. Who.
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  Who don't need no stinking stool 'cause- [laughs] 'Cause he- [laughs] You know what's working with me- Hey... to get off of a stool and do that? Hey, please welcome to the radio program our longtime amigo, Tom McDonald.
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  Oh, yeah, it's, uh, it's great to talk to you guys. [laughs] I enjoyed the, the, the beer segment, too. It's getting me thirsty.
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  Well, Tom, we always recommend that our guests, if, uh, if you have access to, to a cold beer, it sure doesn't, uh, it sure doesn't hurt to have one. Unless you're still...
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  Unless you're d- doing brain surgery or you're, like, a, a Cali- California highway patrolman on your Kawasaki 1000. All punch it. Yeah, unfort- yeah, none, none of those apply to me, so that's okay. [laughs] Fantastic.
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  Well, Tom is an incredible photographer and a fat bike adventurer from Southern California. You wanna tell us about the trip you took last weekend to the Anza-Borrego Desert? Yeah. Had a little trip out there last week.
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  Yeah, your, your audio- [laughs] Your audio just went all trippy on us, too. Yeah, that was cool. [laughs] That was, that was freaky. Wow. So you guys, you, you did a solo overnight? Two nights?
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  How, how long did you go out there? Uh, it was just, it was just an overnight ride, yeah. It's... I, I've been riding out there for a couple years now, ever since I got the fat bike. It's a, um...
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  Actually, I started doing it to, you know, train for races and stuff since it's real sandy and it's sort of like snow, if you think about it.
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  But, um, the, the, the cool thing about it is, uh, you can go a lot of different places that I wouldn't even think about going with a normal mountain bike, that's for sure.
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  So, uh, Tom, where is that located out there in California? Is that southern, northern, central? Yeah, it's, it's about, um, it's about two hours, uh, east of, uh, San Diego, basically.
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  Basically, you go up over a mountain range and you drop down in there. Um, it's kind of, uh, pretty much a, a wasteland to, at least, uh, as far as most people think about it. Oh, no way.
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  It's, it's a, it's a picture book of, of American, American deserts, right? It has, it has desert flowers, and I saw a roadrunner there, dude. Meep, meep. Oh, there, there...
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  Yeah, I mean, there's all kinds of stuff out there. And, and honestly, before I started riding in there, y- I, I didn't know half of it existed. Um, I think, um, most people just go and look and, you know, you...
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  'Cause there's some paved roads that go through it, and you don't really see much, but as soon as you get off the roads, it's a totally different area.
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  I was actually in a rented Lincoln Town Car raging down a gravel road with my two kids in the [laughs] car- Oh, is that right?... when I saw, when I saw that roadrunner. So yeah, but I would- [laughs]...
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  I would do it all different if I were with you, Tom. So Tom, how, uh, how far are you from the Salton Sea when you're out there? Uh, actually, you, the Salton Sea is probably, like, maybe 20 miles or so.
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  Or actually, one, one point of it is, it, uh, where Anza-Borrego kind of butts up right to it, so it's pretty close. Gotcha.
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  That's, uh, it, I mean, I've been through out there, I just don't know what the actual landmarks or names of the places are, but it, it certainly- Oh... seems like a great place to ride a fat bike. It's, it's awesome.
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  It, it's, um, it's really unique, 'cause it's not like you've, um, you know, there's not really- Any trails that you can go on.
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  There's, um, some of them, uh, the washes that you go up, uh, the four-wheel drives don't even go up. Um, so it's, it's kind of like...
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  The best I can describe it, it's kind of like going up a frozen river is how it feels. It's kinda weird [laughs] Crazy. Well, you sure do capture some incredible photos when you're out there.
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  What was the area that you went? Because we're gonna share with our, uh, with our readers and our listeners in our show notes the link to your blog. Can you tell us the area that you went to for this particular trip?
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  Oh, sure. Um, actually, the, the first day I rode out there is, is, uh, an area that's really close to Borrego Springs, um, which is pretty much the main town that's out there.
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  Um, and it, it's, it's one of those places that I, I never knew, um, the, there are all these sand dunes out there, um, which is, it's kind of strange when you come upon them because you don't, uh, really think of...
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  You personally can't see the dunes from anywhere or any of the vantage points, and then you just kind of ride into them and it, it's kind of a unique experience.
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  But it was, um, right, uh, let's see, near the, what they call the Borrego Badlands.
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  Um, there's, there's some, uh, there's some viewpoints that overlook, um, this one area, which, um, I didn't actually ride that one this time.
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  I kind of was right down in the Badlands, um, which was kind of an interesting experience. Uh, so that was the first day. Mm-hmm. Uh, um, and then the, the cool thing about Borrego is you, you can...
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  They, they have some rules about where you can camp, but you can p- pretty much camp anywhere you want to. Um, so that... Which is, and it's free [laughs] which is even better [laughs] Sure.
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  Um, but what I did is I went, I went over to an area called, uh, Fish Creek Wash, um, which is, it's, it's really spectacular when you, when you enter into it 'cause there's this, this, there...
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  You basically go right through, um, a mountain range. The, uh, the water has cut a, this huge canyon through which you wouldn't even think that it exists out there.
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  Um, and riding, you ride up the wash for maybe 20 miles or so, and then there's, there's some other areas out there called, uh, the Mud Caves,
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  um, which I didn't really go into the caves, but there are some slot canyons that, uh, it's, it's a really cool area. And is that where that, that, the concretions come from? Are those cave flowstone, uh, formations?
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  Yes. I was really- Yeah. They're, yeah, they're really, um, they're really interesting, um... I, I, I mean, I'm not a geologist or anything [laughs], but they're, they're... When you look at them, you, you, um...
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  At first I thought some of them were petrified wood, 'cause they get cut in half. Mm-hmm. But I, I guess it, it, it's, it's a, um, it's some sort of sedimentary rock, um, formation.
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  Um, 'cause I, I think that whole area was once a, a, a sea floor is what it was. Mm-hmm. And then it got uplifted by a few faults. Um, first of all, petrified wood, and they...
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  Some of the areas that I, I f- you know, you, you find fossils out there. I... They found some really huge fossils of, you know, camels and horses and that sort of thing. Hmm, cool. Really cool.
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  You take some, uh, really beautiful shots when you're out there. Uh, when you're traveling- Thank you...
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  on your fat bike, what, what sort of gear do you take for your camera equipment that, uh, you put together for those backcountry trips? Yeah.
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  I, I, I use a, a Panasonic, uh, LX5 that I picked up a few years ago, um, which for, for what I do, it, it does a great job. I've, I've done some other trips.
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  Uh, in fact, the first trip I ever took with a bike, I, you know, I dragged along a DSLR and some lenses and, uh, it, it, it just kinda crimped my style [laughs] Sure.
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  There's not much room on the bike really, so that- No [laughs]... completely makes sense. And, um, yeah. And, and a lot of the, you know, a lot of the photos that I do take, I, I've, you know, taken...
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  Not that I'm a big racer or anything, but I always take a camera along when I'm doing races.
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  Um, so it's, it's just a heck of a lot easier for me to, to take along the, you know, a, a, you know, just a, a point and shoot handheld. It just works a lot better. Oh, yeah.
• 16:27
  So, uh, tell us, uh, about the bags that you're using and maybe what kind of bike you're riding these days. Yeah. Actually, I've been riding a, a 907 for about five years now, I think.
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  I, I actually won the frame, um, at a, uh, at the pre-race raffle for the Arrowhead 135- Oh, cool... a few years ago. Yeah.
• 16:47
  I, yeah, those, those, they, those guys, they, they have a lot of great support for the, the, you know, the racers and stuff. I, I really love the bike too. Yes. Um- It's a great bike. Yeah.
• 16:57
  It's, um- They, they make a great aluminum hardtail, and we like those guys. Yeah, absolutely. They're cool dudes. Yeah. Yeah. And what, what- They do a great job... what kind of bags are you using?
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  Uh, I, pretty much everything is, is a Revelate, uh, Designs. You know, depending on what I'm doing, you know, for the winter stuff, you know, I, I, I tend to use, uh, you know, a seat bag.
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  For, for what I was doing on this ride in the desert, it was mostly, uh, you know, it was just a frame bag from them also. It's custom, uh, fit to that frame. But it was main- mainly just to carry water [laughs] Yeah.
• 17:30
  Yeah, water in those trips, I'm, I'm sure, is the, the, the limiter of where you can go is just how much water you can get.
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  Uh, I imagine that there might be opportunities where you could, like, you could extend trips by caching water, et cetera out there. Yeah. And, and the, the way, um, the way Borrego or Anza Borrego is, it, it's...
• 17:51
  I, I've always wanted to do this ride even though I've, I've never had the chance to do it. But y- if you start at the, the north end of the park and drop right down in, and it, it's...
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  You, you have maybe, like, 40 miles or so before you hit places that you can actually get water again. Mm-hmm. Um, so it's not too, too bad, um, as far as the water situation goes, but I...
• 18:14
  That, that's something I've always wanted to do. Maybe, I don't know, maybe someday. Cool. Yeah, that would- that sounds like an awesome trip. Yeah. [bell ringing] Lightning round. Lightning round.
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  That bell brings us to the lightning round of the interview. Hey, answer the following five questions muy rapidamente. Oh, no. [laughs] Yeah, we've got five questions for you, Tom. First question is- Okay...
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  first question is tubes or tubeless? Tubes. Tubes. Okay, second question. Velma or Daphne? [laughs] Daphne. Oh, Daphne's a popular answer. Yeah, she's getting a lot of votes. Okay, flats or clipless?
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  [laughs] Uh, both. All right. Favorite beer? Uh, I- I've got a... My brother lives in Vermont, and I- I've got a connection for Heady Topper. Wow, that's one I haven't had yet. Oh.
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  And our- Yeah, it- it's- it's worth the hype. [laughs] And our final question, what kind of toast would you like with that? Whole wheat. All right. Very good. Well, thanks for joining us on the show, Tom.
• 19:26
  We'll, uh- Yeah, I appreciate you having me on, guys. Yeah, we've- we've- I've been a longtime fan of your, uh, of your photos and your adventures out there. It's crazy, man. Oh, thanks.
• 19:35
  You live in a, you live in the, in the, like, what I consider the capital of IPAs. We just had Ballast Point, uh, Sculpin IPA as our fluffer beer tonight. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that is a good one.
• 19:47
  And you go all the way to the other side of the country. Yeah. Isn't that- We had another beer out there when we were in Monterey from down San Diego way, the, uh, 805. Oh, yeah. Uh- Oh, yeah. What was the brewery?
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  Forgot the brewery. Damn it. Oh, okay. But it was good stuff. Oh, okay.
• 20:04
  Yeah, there's- there's- there's a ride I'm doing this, this weekend that starts right at the, uh, Lost Abbey, which is another good one, which is right across the freeway from Stone, so it's...
• 20:15
  You're- you're right, there's a whole bunch of them. [laughs] Yep. Yeah, we had a Stone at one of our meals. Sure. Stone IPA. We just got back from Sea Otter. Sea Otter. Oh, yeah. Lots of people out there.
• 20:26
  Yeah, so much good beer. Very good. All right, Tom. All right, Tom. Thanks for joining us on the show. You keep, uh, rocking. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot. We'll see you. All right, bye.
• 20:35
  You are once again listening to Fat Bike Radio. Hey, quit playing with yourself. It's the weekly dose of Fat. Welcome back to the radio program. Here's Sven with deep thoughts. Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.
• 20:52
  I'm smart enough, I'm tall enough, and gosh darn it, people like me. [laughs] Oh, no, wait. [laughs] That's a different, different- [laughs] All right. So, one thought I had was what's up with wheel sizes?
• 21:07
  Well, if I was a consumer right now, I would be- be like, "Well, F you guys. You know, what, what, what, what, what do you want?" But here's- [laughs] You- you want my money. Yeah. [laughs] You know, why? Well, what?
• 21:25
  Why? Why? What is B+? What is this, what is this thing? What is this mid-fat? What is it gonna do for me? What's a six fatty? What is that? Yeah.
• 21:34
  Um, you know, I always, I always l- wanna say to you guys, we do not put a gun to your head to buy any of this [laughs] stuff. We just keep you up with what the news is going on.
• 21:47
  And I think that on the other side of that, on the other side of what, what, what, is this Japanese word kaizen, which means continuous improvement. This is what... Bikes are better today than they were 20 years ago.
• 22:03
  True that. Uh, they are better today than they were 10 years ago. So, and- and obviously in the, in the fat bike segment, to- the bikes are better today than they were five years ago. Two years ago. Two years ago, sure.
• 22:17
  Uh, so that's kind of the why. Continuous improvement. Do you, do you have to go out there and buy all of this new stuff? No. [laughs] No, you do not.
• 22:30
  Uh, you know, you wanna try it, you wanna rent a bike, and you know, there's a lot of different ways to ease yourself into this stuff.
• 22:36
  Or just rock that old 26 single speed rigid bike 'til it breaks, and then buy somebody else's used one that they've put aside because they have to buy all this crap.
• 22:48
  We've got a buddy that keeps riding Zebra Kenkos, and he commutes to work- [laughs]... on it. He just won't give 'em up. He keeps buying 'em. It's like, "Where did you find a Zebra Kenko again?" 'Cause they're out there.
• 22:57
  That's got 27-inch wheels on it. [laughs] They're out there in people's garages. [laughs] Behind all of the different things that- 'cause people tend to wanna buy the newest thing. And I- I have a Krampus, a 29+ bike.
• 23:09
  Am I gonna go out and buy a new 26+, B+ hardtail with a fork? No. I- I am not. Mm. I am not. I might try, uh, I might do some testing of some 26.5, uh, tires on that Krampus, and I- 27.5. Right, sorry, 27.5.
• 23:27
  Or a B+. B+. Or a 650B+. [laughs] Double Bs. Or six fatties, or- [laughs] I've got double Bs. [laughs] Well- We're kind of a different story, though, 'cause we get to try a lot of new stuff, and we don't have to buy it.
• 23:39
  We just return it to the manufacturer and write a story about it.
• 23:43
  I, th- one of the things that I really am intrigued by the B+ size, it's the same diameter as a 29 tire with all the benefits of the width of the 29+ tire. Sounds interesting to me.
• 23:54
  Yeah, and you know, when we were in California, it amazed me how fat bikes weren't even spotted on the beach. We did, we did a beach ride, a nice, long, several-hour beach ride, and didn't see one fatty track.
• 24:06
  But I think what's gonna make people look at the wider tires is that, that B+, 650B+ size tire, three-inch, 3.25, because I think it makes a lot more sense on the trails they have out there-
• 24:18
  And maybe that'll be the gateway drug to getting him into the big fatness. Yeah.
• 24:22
  And I think that I'm really totally intrigued about the B2XL size that the Trek Bike is using, that 27.5 [laughs] B2XL. [laughs] Okay. That's right, B2XL.
• 24:39
  So a fat bike tire on a B+ rim. Right, which is a four-inch- Right, a four-... 27.5. Right. We s- we had, we had pictures of the, uh, of the prototype tires on the site.
• 24:51
  So- That actually s- [laughs] that actually said prototype on them. [laughs] So now, what do we call the 26++ well over five-inch tire that's coming from Vee Tire? Uh- 'Cause that thing was massive. Uh- 26++...
• 25:06
  s- I don't know. Is there, like, a b- porn star that has... We'd call it the Men- The triple D... the, the Mandingo. [laughs] 26D. Yeah. [laughs] 20- 26 double D. Double D. That thing was immense, and it's a real thing.
• 25:20
  It's coming. It's a real thing, and we're gonna get one, and we're gonna try [laughs] and stick it on the front of somebody's ice cream truck or Moonlander or on Otis, and we're gonna see, uh, how that thing rolls.
• 25:33
  Yep, looks interesting. Those madcap, crazy people at Vee Tire. You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. Welcome to Cats- Hello... Cats and Kitties, uh, Fat Bike Radio. Who do we have on the line?
• 25:51
  Who do you think just showed? Oh, Chewy. [laughs] Oh, don't sound so fucking excited. [laughs] I'm, I'm just... I'm super surprised it's actually you. You know, that's, that's pretty good- Well, uh-...
• 26:05
  detective work on our part. We didn't actually have the number. We just had the area code, and we tracked you down, so there. Yeah. Oh, that's... Well, I was gonna...
• 26:14
  I called earlier, but then the hockey game was on, so I'm like, "To hell with you guys. I'm watching a hockey game." You know how it is. Well, well, you know, uh, driving in, I was thinking,
• 26:22
  "You know who could really express the common man's reaction to all these new standards? It'd be Chewy." B+ scale. Well, you already know what I think.
• 26:36
  You- [laughs] First of all, you shouldn't be talking about them because they're not fat bikes. 3.0 and lower is not a fat bike. I don't care what anybody says. But these are three point, these are 3.0, bro.
• 26:48
  3.25 and- Yeah. That's... Oh, oh, are they really? Yeah. Oh, those bastards. [laughs] They're plus size. They're like- Well- They're like, they're like chubby girls. Mm. Mm, chubby girls. I don't... I, you know, it's...
• 27:02
  I don't, here's what I think. I don't like it. However, here's why I don't like it, because it does serve a purpose. It gives a smaller person on a tire- Uh-oh. You went, you went all- For 27.5...
• 27:18
  you went all- Because- You went all Monster Mash on us there. You're, you're- It's late. It's late, but here's the thing. Who gives a fuck about the short people? They shouldn't even be riding bikes anyway.
• 27:28
  [laughs] They should be used as lawn ornamentation. Put a point- Exactly. They should be wearing pointy hats and pointy shoes and be at Gnome Fest. Uh.
• 27:39
  Otherwise, they're not good for anything, so, you know, it- I am so with you there... but other, but, but otherwise, I, you know, it's... I don't like it. I think most people think- I don't like it at all.
• 27:52
  It's just, it's like-... it's, like, it's, like, the evil bike companies that are... They just wanna... They just... It's, it's a scam. It's just another reason for us to buy a new, new thing.
• 28:02
  Uh, that, I think that that, that's what most people think. I thought that's what breakable aluminum frames were for, so you could- [laughs]... just go ahead and buy a new bike every two years.
• 28:09
  [laughs] I thought that's what aluminum and carbon fiber was for. [laughs] Yeah. See, that's why they made them, because the carbon people can't ride real big tires. Oh. Well, there you go. What do you think about Trek?
• 28:23
  But- Uh, here's, here's a, here's a question for you that, uh, I posed to Greg, and Greg and I think are on both sides is I think a 27.5 2XL fat bike wheel, meaning hub, spokes, rim, and tire, will be lighter than a 26 by four hub, spokes, rim, tire.
• 28:49
  What do you think? What... 'Cause Trek has come up with this new standard which differentiates their higher end bikes from any other fat bike. It's now 27.5 by whatever it is, 80 millimeter.
• 29:03
  I, I don't know exactly how wide the rims are. Right, half, half braundunkle. [laughs] Half braunkdunkle. I did, I did look at what rims are they using. That's- They're using their own rims, of course. Yeah, BonTR.
• 29:13
  So what is it? I mean, what's the width? Yeah, it's- Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how- So, yeah, so they're gonna... Is it an 80? It's in, it's in the, it's in that range for sure. Yeah, it's a yakalope of something.
• 29:25
  Yeah, so- So my point is, like- I, I, you know, here-... aluminum is lighter than rubber, so it should be lighter. Right, but the tire's bigger, too. [laughs] And that's what he says.
• 29:37
  [laughs] But here, but here's, but here's, here's the whole thing. Trek did it because Trek has been lagging in everything for, what, 15 years now?
• 29:48
  And I just think they just, they're, they just decided they're just gonna jump in and do that. I mean, that's my feeling on it. Yeah, I think that they definitely...
• 29:55
  You know, once they, once that battleship turns around and they put some steam behind it, they get, you know, they get some stuff moving. Yeah. I actually think that- Well-... their 29+ bike looks pretty cool. Yeah.
• 30:07
  Well, it does, it does look cool, but you know what? Their fat bi- look, bike looked cool, too, and, and you don't see a whole lot of them around anymore. Well, they didn't make a lot of them.
• 30:14
  Yeah, they're still doing their entry level. Farley is gonna be a, is still gonna be a 26-inch bike. Right. And now a 197 thru axle- Oh... with, uh- Oh... a, a 197 thru axle with- Uh- Why can't they just make it 200?
• 30:30
  [laughs] You know? They want to make- It's, it's the metric system... they want to make math hard... it's made to confuse. It's the way we keep the kids off the street. Wow. Make everything a math problem.
• 30:43
  It's pretty good. So Chewy, do you- It's the reason I ride, it's the reason I ride a single speed. Right. Yeah. Yeah. S- speaking of single speeds, are you in like- Everything else...
• 30:51
  Are you having an event this, is it this weekend or next weekend? When you got an event coming up? This Saturday. It's the 25th anniversary. Of the Decorah Time Trials. You want me to do this bullshit?
• 31:01
  Yes, Decorah Time Trials, 25th anniversary. We've been doing this, I have not been holding butts for that long, but close. Wow. Wow. I looked at the, uh, the- And we-... the map.
• 31:12
  What's, so what's the actual course distance gonna be? Do you know yet? It's like eight point, we, and, and it's not real long because it's got a lot of climbing.
• 31:21
  It's like eight point m- eight point, it's just under nine miles, like 8.7 or 8.9 I think. You know, it's a good thing you said that- Um-... 'cause I was gonna be like- Why can't you just make it nine?
• 31:30
  Why can't you just make it nine miles? [laughs] Does it have like 4,000 feet of climbing in it or something? It's three something, yeah. Yeah. It's with,
• 31:42
  it's, and, and the thing is is, you know, it's the Furman Cup Challenge, you know, so we've kept the course exactly the same for I believe this will be the third or fourth year.
• 31:53
  Um, because there's a prem- if you can beat Furman's time, um, there's a prize. Uh, like a 250, 300 bucks if you beat his time on top of all the other prize money and stuff. And a live goat. Fatbike.com adds- It-...
• 32:09
  adds a live goat to that prize. I know where to get live goats. Or you get- [laughs]... a carton of spinner, I don't know. We'll maybe do that, too.
• 32:18
  [laughs] But you gotta, you gotta remember the history that goes in with this thing. We've got the, the picture of, of Spinner body slamming Lutz- Oh... at the Puzzly Pit. Oh. Yep.
• 32:32
  We've got, we've got pictures of like one of the first ones when it was out at the fish hatchery where it rained so hard that, that Terry Houghton went home and put on football cleats so you could run up the hill to start the race.
• 32:45
  Um- Huh?
• 32:46
  You know, it used to be, it used to be you took turns holding the riders and running and, and calling out the times for the starts because it really, it really wasn't, you know, fancy organized and, and, and timing start line to finish line.
• 33:00
  It was just a bunch of people out in the woods and they go, "Okay, your turn to go," and then they would time you. So it's, it's, uh, it's, it's really blossomed and, uh, it's still a local event.
• 33:09
  I mean, it's not, it, it's a busy weekend.
• 33:12
  There's other things going on, but at the same time it's, it's fun and it's, we always used it for this is how riders, we, let me back up a little bit, that they go by age, by ages rather than by classifications of riders because this is how, uh, years ago this is how you decided which class you were gonna race in because you race against guys your own age, whether they were an expert or a sport or whatever, and that's how you decided where you were gonna race that year.
• 33:37
  I guess I'm, I'm glad I'm not in- Now it's gone to the next level... Matt Overend's class. [laughs] Oh, yeah. Good thing I'm young. Yeah, no shit. That's my class. That sucks.
• 33:45
  [laughs] I don't know what he was doing with that guy. He's gonna be a guest on the show- Sure... next week. He's gonna talk to us- Oh, is he? He's gonna talk to us about, uh, about Specialized new, uh- B+ bikes...
• 33:57
  Fuse and Ruse B+ bike. I have a Manitou fork on there, dude. By the way, and it's probably gonna be hot pink 'cause they might as well copy what everybody else is doing. Oh, I believe that, dude.
• 34:11
  Did- [laughs] Oh, you would like that. I- Isn't it, isn't it, isn't it your boyfriend, boyfriend and, you know, m- my hero, Eric Sovereign, doesn't he have a 100% pink Moonlander, and don't you have a matching one, or?
• 34:25
  I think [laughs] I know you've got a pink bike in there, brother. I, I've got two of them. Ah. Actually, one's my wife's. We got a pink one by one, too. [laughs] Yeah, when I met Sov he- Hey, great. You're right...
• 34:39
  he was riding a pink one by one and he rode by us and he low-fived everybody and then he started to low-five everybody on both sides, which left no hands on the handlebars, so he stacked [laughs] really hard. Geez.
• 34:54
  Like, literally like- I was, he was prob- he was probably doing it on that bike. [laughs] The one that I've got. Really? So- I'm pretty sure it was that bike...
• 35:02
  he like laid, laid out flat, blam, after he like made, he, his chin made a furrow in the middle of the trail and he just- Oh... he took the, he took the
• 35:15
  flask off his bike, passed it around, put it back on his bike and voom, he was gone. Eric Sovereign. The guy is amazing. Mm-hmm. There's no getting around it. I know. So tall and so handsome.
• 35:27
  But he's not the tallest Surly guy, you realize. I know. It's Andy Wood, right? Uh, is it Andy Wood or is it Thor? I think it's Andy. I think it's Andy. 167, 169, I don't remember which is which.
• 35:38
  Andy, Andy's like 44 hands tall. [laughs] I swear to God. [laughs] So everybody should go to, to, uh, Decorah, Iowa this weekend and, uh, hang out with all the cool kids out there.
• 35:52
  If you haven't been there, then you have not mountain biked in the Midwest. True that. Decorah, Iowa. And the camp- and the camping's gonna be awesome. They can camp. They can stay in hotels. You can,
• 36:04
  I don't know if I can s- oh, you know, you can sleep out at the Puzzly Pit. There's lots of stuff you can do. You can pass out in the streets. That might not be a good idea, but you can do it if you want to.
• 36:11
  Stay in the bike shop window maybe. You know, there's- Sleep in the window of the bike shop? Yeah. [laughs] Who are they stanza- You're like, "Jake, does that sound-" It sounds like Chad or Dave or one of those guys.
• 36:23
  There's, there's gotta be- Were you with them, weren't you with them, too? No. [laughs] I, I missed on that one. I thought it was the three of you guys, 'cause there was three guys.
• 36:31
  So r- Robert Diggs' old shop, they used to be a, a platform in the front window. You know the old bay window and there's a little platform?
• 36:37
  And lots of those guys, after going out all night, they just were trying to find a place to shop, and that's where they slept. So everybody... And that's where the race was on Sunday mor- on Sundays.
• 36:45
  So Sunday morning, everybody walking by in their, in their church duds, got these three bums asleep in the window [laughs] of the bike shop. That was awesome.
• 36:51
  [laughs] And the little kids are like, "Mommy, can I buy the drunk guy, the drunk albino in the window?" Give me a stick, I wanna poke that guy. [laughs] Yeah. All right, man. Well, have a good event. Sorry.
• 37:03
  Hope you have a, a- Good talking to you guys. Yep. Thanks, thanks again for sorting out that wheel size conundrum we had. [laughs] You rock, dude. It's a piece of cake. 26 by 4, that's it. Nothing else.
• 37:15
  [laughs] Chewy speaks. Aye. All right, man. Okay. Bye bye. Yeah. See you guys. All right, bye. [upbeat music] We saw everybody at Sea Otter. Sea Otter was kickass.
• 37:29
  Sea Otter- And there, and, and really, the B+ bikes were, I think, were the story of the show. There was a lot of stuff going on, but most of it was incremental improvements. These are actually a whole new
• 37:42
  segment that didn't exist, really. And the B+ full suspension dovetails in with SRAM's new boost spacing, the 148, 110 spacing, and the availability of the Fox B+ fork.
• 37:59
  Um, yeah, the Manitou Magnum. The Manitou Magnum B+ fork. Which looks really sweet. It, I got a chance to ride it a very brief period of time, but it, it feels good.
• 38:08
  One of the things I think the suspension makers are starting to realize is those, those air volumes on the tire are big, but the pressures are low. Right.
• 38:15
  So they're making the forks a lot more compliant on the small bump end so that the tire doesn't have to deflect as much to get the fork moving. So I think that's a really good thing.
• 38:25
  Sea Otter was, was a very rich environment for product blowouts and product... What do they call those? Launches. Launches. We had launches. [laughs] We had launchage.
• 38:39
  And they served us, like, snacks and drinks at all of them, so- Launchage... you know, we were very happy. Right?
• 38:46
  So while we were out there showing the locals in Cali how we roll, what was happening here in the big city, JK? Oh, the big city.
• 38:54
  Record Store Day was a Saturday, so tried to take in, uh, like, Rushmore and get down to Bayview and these kind of places. Hipster. [laughs] Whatever. It's Record Store Day, man. Record Store Day.
• 39:06
  You have to go in there... I know. And record stores are a personal business, so I like... It was bad. For your vinyl collection, man. Some places... Hey, man. [laughs] Telling you. It's all right.
• 39:19
  What, is this the first time that I've picked on you? You're looking at me like [laughs] Wounded. You have cut me to the quick. [laughs] You. Words hurt. Sacre bleu. [laughs] Gomez, I am not a hipster.
• 39:33
  [laughs] Yeah, with your fool machine. I only own a couple pieces of vinyl, and I don't even have anything to play it on right now, so.
• 39:39
  I don't even know what that means, other than when it relates to stickers, 'cause I like stickers. Hey, guess- The vinyl ones. [laughs] Guess what we got coming. What? Buttons. Really?
• 39:49
  Did you order from the button place? Yeah, 'cause they were on sale. I'm like, "We can get- [laughs] 19 bucks... we can get buttons." I didn't. I- Buttons. I got some buttons coming. I, that's kickass. Yeah.
• 39:57
  I thought about it. I, I looked at it. I- I, I-... I clicked the link... I, buttons... but I didn't- Click buttons... I didn't, I didn't pull the trigger. You pulled the trigger. Yeah. Damn. Damn, boy. Boy oh boy.
• 40:06
  I'd like some buttons. Can- Yeah, but the next day then went to, uh, uh, Cedarburg- Mm-hmm... and tried out that, uh, Ozaukee County Interurban Trail- Mm-hmm... path that goes from there up to Port Washington.
• 40:21
  Port Washington, and points north if you wanna go further. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And, I mean, I just always would see that, that bridge every time we'd go in- That confounded bridge... Oh, right. Yes.
• 40:30
  It's like, oh, I'd like to ride over the freeway, like that. And, uh, finally got to do it. Did you bring a cinder block with you? [laughs] No, they, they have, uh- Chuck it up. No, and it's fenced in frustratingly well.
• 40:42
  [laughs] [laughs] But yeah, it's like, it's like a 20-mile loop from Cedarburg to- Yeah... uh, and it's all just flat, and there's not a lot of places you can go and- Did you go-...
• 40:54
  you know, try to get a little gnarly... did you go to the Duluth Trading Company store there in Cedarburg? No, I went to Sir James Pub. Oh, nice. Yeah. A buddy from, uh, old
• 41:03
  radio days was, works there, ran into him there. Dude, there's a, there's a old-school- It was pretty fun... fish res- restaurant there called the Smith Brothers. Not anymore.
• 41:10
  See, I worked at Smith Brothers in Charlotte when I was there- That's where the Duluth is... a long time ago. That's all gone. But yeah, there's still, like, a small portion that's Smith Brothers. Really?
• 41:17
  I thought it was, I thought it was, like, o- over just- Well, I ain't where it was. No? It was in the Duluth Trading Co. store. It, it used to be there, and then it was a Chancer but some other shit.
• 41:26
  Now it's a- That's where I got my, uh, aversion to rock shrimp, 'cause it was so good I ate, like, five pounds in one day. [laughs] Ooh. Five pounds of shrimps.
• 41:36
  And Gomez was wondering why I didn't want seafood much out in Monterey. It's like- [laughs]... I can bla- blame it on the rock shrimp. [laughs] Ooh. [laughs] We, we did eat pretty well out there in, uh, California.
• 41:46
  Oh, my God, it was, it was, [laughs] was so strangely... It was just like, I kept on thinking, it was like, wow, it'd be really nice to bring my wife out here. [laughs] Look over.
• 41:56
  There's- We had a little, we had a little bromance while we were out there. [laughs] [laughs] Every, every waiter we had was like, "Hmm, what a nice older gay couple."
• 42:05
  [laughs] Like, Jesus, this is, this would be- [laughs] Especially, like [laughs] when I stopped and you went a little bit further down the beach, I stopped, I called my wife. I'm like, "Honey."
• 42:18
  And I have voicemail, of course. I'm like, "I'm here on the beach. It's so romantic." [laughs] [laughs] I can see Sven riding away now.
• 42:28
  I waited, I waited until you were out of sight into the mist before I cheated on you with my wife. Into the mist. Ay caramba. Oh, man. Well [laughs]
• 42:38
  we, we got word from the folks over at Salsa, our buddy Mike, uh, sent us a note that Outside Magazine, those purveyors of all news outdoorsy related, have bestowed upon them the 2015 Gear of the Year award for their Buck Saw.
• 42:56
  That's pretty sweet. Yeah, man. I mean, you know, could've been a carbon fiber kayak paddle or it could've been a backpack. They probably have different segments. Could've been the spork. Could've been.
• 43:06
  The titanium spork. You know, I have my, uh, my Case, uh, hobo knife that I got- Oh, nice... from the Rocky Mountain, uh, uh- They were handing out treasures- Yeah... up the leg there. That was cool, man.
• 43:18
  We, I, I gave, uh, I gave Zito a Race Face T-shirt and- Mm... I brought, I brought JK a trucker hat, but apparently he does not keep on trucking. [laughs] He had trucked enough. He's trucked- And so- Trucker clock.
• 43:32
  [laughs] Trucker clock check-in. So apparently that'll be up to grabs in case any of you folks out there in radio land remember how to dial a telephone. And- 818-918-2453.
• 43:48
  Well, it's 818-918-BIKE. And it's also Wednesdays, 8:00 PM Central Standard Time. Yeah. And you know, you, you can always call in to, uh, enter the Framed best radio promo contest. That's, that's ongoing.
• 44:05
  You know, it's a, it's a long contest because it's such a fabulous prize. It's a fab... What, and what do they really have to do? They don't even have to call 818-918-2453 during the time we're on the air.
• 44:14
  They could call- They could just, when we're off the air, leave a radio promo... right. They never have to talk to anyone.
• 44:19
  You know, it would be a good idea if you remembered to leave your name and your phone number on there because then, well, you'll actually get the prize if- Maybe... maybe if you win, right?
• 44:29
  And, uh, other than that, you know, if you wanna do it on your smartphone and then save it as an MP3 and then email it to me, my email is gomez@fat-bike.com. What- Once again, [burps]
• 44:44
  that's gomez@fat-bike.com. [laughs] So you know what I'd be going for is that sweet set of steak knives. You know, and that is a, that is a name brand set of Ginsu steak knives.
• 44:57
  We'll, we'll, we'll probably buy it at some class joint like, like Target or something. So you know, you'll get a gift receipt. You could return it and, uh, I don't know- Maybe get an-... you-...
• 45:07
  maybe get an iHome thing for your, um, phone to put by your bedside. Yeah, the MD- Yeah, or, or-... MDMX or HDMX or whatever... or just, like, 1,000 ibuprofen.
• 45:17
  Whatever you can get for a set, [laughs] set of steak knives, it's shit you're gonna use. You're gonna need it. Or some baby oil. Maybe. [laughs] Bath salts. Speaking of baby oil, I think we have some links this week.
• 45:30
  Oh my God, it's, it's the attack of the links. There's, uh, Tom McModel and Mike [laughs] Mc- There's all kinds- There's Tom McDonald's Anza-Borrego trip. [laughs] And I just... Oh my God.
• 45:44
  [laughs] What has gotten into JK? [laughs] JK's- Somebody-... on some happy pills. I think [laughs] I think JK got some giggle juice. Uh, it's the- In the glory... it's the 7% Sculpin. Hey. Hey, hey.
• 45:58
  You know what we should do before we get into the links? You stuck a seven on me. No. Yeah. We should probably, uh, [bell rings] beer stop. Here, top of the hill, middle of the hill. We should probably...
• 46:09
  Yeah, do we think [laughs] do we... We don't have a ring a bell when we're on the actual rides. Zito just stops and says, "Anybody bring beers?" [laughs] Uh, uh, speaking of Zito and stopping- Yeah...
• 46:21
  we are going to be doing a beach ride on Saturday. If anybody's in the area, we're going to be heading up north of Port somewhere, to be determined, but, uh, we are riding Saturday.
• 46:32
  Just look for the fat signal in the sky. I'm thinking north of, north of Harrington. Nor- Mm-hmm... Harrington north? And/or south of Harrington. Sure. One or the other. Yeah. Good call.
• 46:44
  But either way, we'll meet at the same spot at the end of Highway D. [laughs] Drive through beautiful Lake Church. Don't speed through Lake Church- No... 'cause it's bad, and end up at the end of Highway D.
• 46:54
  It'll all be- Right before you run into the lake, there's some nice parking spots where we will- This is what makes Fenn a leader of men I'm gonna say 1:00 PM on Saturday. 1:00 PM on Saturday. I'm just making that up.
• 47:07
  Gird your loins, fat bikers, and join us. Hey, speaking of Port Washington, uh, that- What does gird your loins really mean? I don't know. And that night at Tom's, the exotics, the interruptibles. Oh, nice.
• 47:19
  Um- So I knew there was something going on Saturday... we ran into our buddy from Port Washington, long, long of Port Washington Laurent out at the, uh, Sea Otter.
• 47:27
  It's about time that you, like, actually said his name like, with, with, with the au- [laughs]... with the automatic French fry accent there. Wasn't Laurent? Laurent. Laurent. Yeah. Hey, it's good to see you, buddy.
• 47:40
  I hope you're having fun out there in where the- That dude laughs-... Pismo Beach is where he's living... that, yeah, that guy laughs at all my jokes. Yeah. I'd be huge in France.
• 47:47
  It's 'cause he doesn't understand English. [laughs] Why do you think I'm giggling all the time? Okay. [laughs] So Pismo Beach ought to have at least one fat biker out there riding on the shore of the great Pacific Ocean.
• 47:59
  He rode the Gran Fondo. Fondo. And he was talking about all these guys that he was passing, and he's just a- He's a machine... he's a trip, man.
• 48:09
  You know, the cool thing about riding out there on the coast is that tide business because when we were heading north, there was a lot of beach, and we were heading back, there wasn't that much left. But you know what?
• 48:19
  And big waves. It, it pushed us way back up onto the sand that you wouldn't naturally think that is rideable, and I'll- It was very rideable... I was, had the stable horse thing going.
• 48:31
  I was, like, ready to be done, and I was like, brap, I was going across that shit. It worked out well. I got caught by a sneaker wave, though. [laughs] Got totally swamped. Yeah. [laughs] Really. I saw that.
• 48:41
  Doing a little daydreaming. [laughs] La, la, la, la. Thinking about my friend Steve-[imitates brakes squealing] Yeah. [laughs] It was, uh, not funny. No. Well- Although I had to think- It kinda was...
• 48:53
  I rode a- In hindsight... I rode away and I'm like, "Oh, if Sven saw that, he has to be falling off his bike [laughs] laughing." [laughs] I just kinda saw it coming. I'm like, "What's he doing?"
• 49:01
  [laughs] Does he know something I don't? No, he knows- He's like- He knows how to get wet. I don't know how to do that. [laughs] Deedle, deedle, deedle, yeah, yeah.
• 49:10
  I, it took me till, like, the very end and I finally got a soaker. I'm like- Yeah... "Dang it." I was, like, 98% done with the ride and I got the, the foot soak.
• 49:18
  Yeah, waves out west, they, they, they go faster and, and they go tall. They've got a long run that they do. They come way up the shore and they chase you. [laughs] But still, dude, that was just a killer ride.
• 49:32
  And we actually, the, some of the Borealis folks saw us along the beach and, like, yelled out to us. It was kinda cool. We're like, "Who are those? They know what a fat bike is?" It's like, yeah.
• 49:40
  [laughs] But, but then we heard them say, "Borealis," and we're like- Yep, saw, what, a guy with a Wolf Tooth jersey on, too. Yeah. Uh, thanks, uh, Steve, for letting us borrow those Borealis fat bikes. True that, yo.
• 49:51
  Yeah. Steve's a good dude. So- Can we get into- So what's, can we, can we get into [laughs] those links now? Yeah, I think we're into the links. We, I, I have, I have a beer. Did we cheers?
• 50:02
  We should probably cheers again. We always- Cheers. Bam. Bump. Oh, yeah. Donk. Cheers and beers. Oh, dunkel, dunkelweiss, and you are my, you are my best friend. No. [laughs] Just kidding.
• 50:16
  Gonna rub him and pet him and- [laughs] I'm gonna drink him. Drink him. Dude, Mark Peterson has a, what's, what, tell me your favorite link. I, I already said kinda my favorite link.
• 50:26
  [laughs] Well, I mean- Um, I could tell, well, I could even go on. Mark's been a friend of the old, uh, thefatbike.com. Yeah. Okay. And, uh, whatever the outdoor gangster of the month is, there's a, there's- [laughs]...
• 50:37
  a website called out- outdoorgangster.com. He was the outdoor gangster of the month. Dude. It's actually a really cool story. He's an outdoor gangster. Right? Uh, for the month of April 2015. Yeah. Congratulations, Mark.
• 50:48
  So this South African fat bike guided beach and dune tours, this guy got a fat bike. He lives in the white, great white shark and whale watching capital of South Africa, not too far out of Cape Town.
• 51:05
  So [laughs] you could conceivably ride fat bike on dunes and on the beach, and then they put you in a cage, and they use you [laughs] as bait to draw in the great white sharks.
• 51:16
  [laughs] And then if you survive that- Great white sharks... then you could go out in a boat and wait for whales. Wow. Doesn't that sound like fun? That sounds like somebody's thinking.
• 51:26
  And maybe have kudu burgers for, for dinner, or gazelle, gazelle bacon. [laughs] Did you see the, uh, off that, uh, Catalyst ride? Yeah, yeah. Catalyst trip? Those ladies, yeah. Yeah. That, that bike rack? No.
• 51:42
  That car rack? No. It's like the second picture down, and it has six, wait. Yeah. Six. Six bikes- Wow... able to transport. That's ridiculous. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's on the back of the car like that. Yeah.
• 51:59
  Vertical like that. You could do, also do that- That's amazing... over the tailgate- I've never seen-... in a truck... I've never seen that, and that just captured my imagination.
• 52:07
  [laughs] Well, I wanna, I wanna have five friends with fat bikes. [laughs] I'd probably do just have five friends with fat bikes. Just.
• 52:19
  Well, we're at that point in the show, I think, when we say thanks to Surly for sponsoring this experiment in radio broadcasting. It's trippy. Indeed, man. Trippy, dude. Surly starts it all. S- Surly is a fuse starter.
• 52:35
  They got the Bic lighter and a long fuse, and it takes the rest of the world a couple years to catch up. What are they gonna do next? Good question.
• 52:45
  I'm pretty sure they'll tell us about it, when they're damn good and ready. When they're damn good and ready. [laughs] All right. Okay. Bye now. Bye bye. Adios, amigos. Maybe go check out that bike thing.
• 52:59
  Throw a leg over it. Rock it out. Crap. Mrap. [laughs] What was mrap? [laughs] [upbeat music] Noises from remote. You've been listening to Fat Bike Radio's Weekly Dose of Fat.
• 53:15
  Find us on the web at fat-bike.com/radio. We'll see you next time.
• 53:24
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