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- Mark Hayes (00:00.908) Yep. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back. Another exciting edition of Two Men in Black and White, an honest conversation. All right, I'm joined by my partner in crime, Brock Gonellis, from the beautiful confines of the upper Hudson River Valley. And of course, I am here in the ATL shouting. All right. Concerts canceled. It's great news. I think Kid Rock is the only performer left. he might even well, he said he'd perform for You know, Kim Jong un or Vladimir Putin if they asked him. So, you know, obviously he needs the money. and then CC in the music factory, Freedom Williams, is saying he may perform just because he don't want he doesn't want anybody telling him not to while he was on the shitter. So, you know, man, I just wonder where he propped his phone while he was taking the dump and recording that video. But hey, nonetheless, it served its purpose. Brock, what say you? This freedom concert. You know, it's it's it's right on brand for MAGA. Let's lie, let's cheat, let's let's mislead people and get to come do what we want to do. Brock Ganeles (01:17.771) Well, it's a big rebuke from the, you know, entertainment community. Finally, right? After Snoop Dogg and Nelly and different performers playing FTSE with the MAGA world, cashing checks. Who who else you have? who'd you have for me? What's your name from American Idol? Mark Hayes (01:33.294) Carrie Underwood. Mark Hayes (01:42.936) Terry Underwood. Brock Ganeles (01:43.671) Yeah, Carrie Underwood. I mean, it was a pretty decently long list, but now the fact that they couldn't find anybody to celebrate the 250th anniversary. I saw on my feed a list of who played at the 200th anniversary. And it was fucking unbelievable. Think about it, that was the mid 70s. It was like the Eagles. It's like y the who's who of great American music artists. Mark Hayes (02:02.892) Right. Mark Hayes (02:09.174) music. Brock Ganeles (02:12.405) played at that event. Now they can't find anyone. I do think vanilla ice also had his hand raised saying he would also perform anywhere, Iran, Russia, andor at this event. So there there was a handful, but they can't it's to me it's a finally. Right? We kept saying these MAGA folks shouldn't feel comfortable waltzing around in polite America. And they shouldn't feel comfortable that they can waltz around Mark Hayes (02:12.781) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (02:41.311) In the sports world, the movie world, the music world, and be accepted and embraced in any of those places. Right? They're trying to take over Hollywood and the TV world. You know, muscling in with their money and and the newspapers. But it's nice to see individual artists finally pushing back and shunning them. It's why the Jackson Dart introduction story's not gonna go away. Cause he's zigging when everyone else is zagging. Everyone else in the sports world and the music world and the performer world see the MAGA movement is toxic. Mark Hayes (03:12.0) No Mark Hayes (03:23.49) Yep. Yep. And and you know, it's it's it's hilarious to me that they still think that people want to be around them and associated with them. You know, like it makes no sense to me. that these people don't get it. No one likes your pop but they don't care because they think they can steal more elections. So they don't care. They think whatever won them the twenty-four election will win them the twenty-six and the twenty-eight and the thirty and the thirty-two. And we probably won't have any more after that. But look, the billionaires have have flown the coop when it comes to JD Vance. They're not interested in him anymore. So who would be the successor of the Mad King, you know? Brock Ganeles (04:10.787) we're gonna go down this road right now. Okay. Here's another pet peeve of mine. I'm sick of media putting out stories about whether Trump supports or doesn't support JD Vance, does or doesn't support Marco Rubio or any other candidate. Let's just get to the recognizable fact that Trump has no Interest in giving up the presidency. When he floats that he's gonna run for another term, fucking believe him. Don't say the constitution won't let him. That doesn't mean shit anymore. He'll steamroll it. If he wants to run again, he's fucking running again. And there's no GOPs that stand are gonna stand in his way. He hates JD Vance. He hates Marco Rubio. They hate him. We've seen the tapes. Mark Hayes (04:38.381) Nine. Mark Hayes (04:48.547) No. Mark Hayes (04:54.199) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (05:05.386) So he's not gonna endorse any other candidate behind him. He's either gonna be dead or he's staying in the seat. He can't leave the presidency. He can't trust the DOJ to any other human being on the planet because that person could release the Epstein files. He ain't fucking going anywhere. So there is no successor unless he's dead. And if he's dead, I'm gonna make the argument that the most likely successors in the Mark Hayes (05:09.709) Not at all. Brock Ganeles (05:34.621) MAGA Party are either Don Jr. or Tucker Carlson, not Rubio or Vance. Mark Hayes (05:39.722) Mark Hayes (05:45.42) Really? No more MTG. Brock Ganeles (05:49.633) I don't think MTG, she's been in too many fights, I think. To me, Don Jr.' the most likely. He can just cosplay, or whatever that term is, as the Donald, and you know, he's been training for it for whatever, 50 plus years. He doesn't have the charisma, but he can be as big an asshole because he's been trained to be that kind of narcissistic asshole. He's a pale he's a pale comparison, but Mark Hayes (06:00.462) Yeah. Mark Hayes (06:15.063) Right. Brock Ganeles (06:18.657) He's got the name, he's the easiest plug and play to those fucking MAGA crazies. That's that's my thought on him. But Trump has no intention of going anywhere. And why why would we think that the constitution or any set of rules or norms would impact him in any way, shape or form? What do you think? Mark Hayes (06:41.996) Right. Right. Y you know, it I mean that makes sense that makes great sense to me. I mean, I could follow down that path, but I also realize he's not nearly as smart and couldn't possibly be as ballsy, although he is, you know, it's one thing to steal a bunch of money, you know, and pretend it's legal. It's another thing to steamroll constitutional norms and You know, and and policy and law, right? To flat out break the law in broad daylight. I don't think he's got the kind of Teflon that Cheeto Mussolini has. I can't imagine. I mean, look, Donald Trump is not a smart guy. We all know that. Don Jr., I mean, makes makes his dad, you know, look like a rocket surgeon. Brock Ganeles (07:38.947) I don't understand why you think Trump cares about the law. He he he runs the DOJ. He's got his personal lawyer in there. I mean ICE hasn't given shit about the law, right? They threw due process out the window, so the law didn't matter. The Supreme Court is cha reinterpreting our laws on a daily basis, right? Voting laws have just gotten thrown out the window. Mark Hayes (07:44.662) Yeah, well, yeah. Mark Hayes (08:04.833) Right. Brock Ganeles (08:06.083) Trump's the most corrupt human being we've ever seen in any really that we've ever seen. So I don't think any of this stuff means shit to him. I think that he th he's a narcissist. He thinks he can get away with anything. And he's also slipping into crazy dementia. So he views himself as a Christ-like figure. So in his mind, he's the savior of America. And he shouldn't go, but he's already justified it by the fact that, you know, the 2020 election was stolen from him, therefore he's like owed another term or some other crazy shit like that. I think he's gonna get enough people behind him. They're making so much money, there's such a class that's either getting the white supremacy they wanted, the Christian nationalism they wanted, or they're also. Mark Hayes (08:51.479) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (09:03.149) g funneling so much money to their own bank accounts that they're gonna be on board with the next Trump term. So I just don't think we should discount the fact that America may not roll along in the way it has for the first two hundred and fifty years with actual rules around who can run for the presidency. Mark Hayes (09:10.435) Right. Mark Hayes (09:28.298) Mm. Yeah, that's that's I mean that's a great point. You know, I don't think he's going anywhere either, unless corres cholesterol takes him out. he looks awful. Health reports are coming back with all kinds of red flags. You look at his hands, they're all bruised to shit. His cankles are still cankling. I mean, it the guy looks a mess. You know, if you ever see a photographer get a close-up shot, I mean it looks just Like stir fright hell. you know, so the guy's gotta be on his last leg. I mean, this unhealthy lifestyle that he's led looks like it's finally catching up to him and taking him down in spades. I mean, that's the only thing that we can figure. I mean, he's been to Walter Reed three tim four times that we know of. We don't know how many other trips have been made that haven't been reported. Brock Ganeles (10:22.433) And what a fraud his medical report was. It just shows like everything's a lie. I mean, his his weight is a lie, his height what, six three, two thirty-nine? Come on. That would that would make him basically an NFL defensive end. And come on, he's he's like six foot two eighty or something like that. I mean, he's a fucking mess. I do think in a way, America, we probably will never get challenged Mark Hayes (10:39.295) Right. Brock Ganeles (10:51.399) on whether or not he runs for the presidency again, because I don't think he's gonna make it there. But if he doesn't make it there, then that benefits JD Vance, because Vance is in that vice presidential s seat, probably praying every night that he wakes up in the morning to hear that Trump dropped dead mid s two AM Truth Social Post. Right? Vance has gotta be just waiting and hoping for Trump to die. Mark Hayes (11:14.69) Mm-hmm. Mark Hayes (11:18.794) Yeah, praying. Praying for it. Yeah, I mean, just like the rest of us are praying for it. you know. Brock Ganeles (11:26.179) Yeah. So what's the one place we agree with J D on, right? Mark Hayes (11:31.572) Right. Right. Exactly. you know, but it's i it it really is interesting because you know, I don't think MAGA exists anymore without the chumster. it it it just I don't think the ball can continue to roll with the ugliness. you know, because I don't think most normal people are going to put forth the kind of rhetoric that Trump has. I mean, this guy is clearly you know, disgusting, at a sociopath. And I don't think J D Vance is a sociopath. Brock Ganeles (12:14.593) No, I don't think he is. That's why yeah. I don't know. That's why he probably can't lead MAGA. He's not he's also not tough enough. Right? MAGA's so fucking crazy and hardcore violent, racist. Mark Hayes (12:19.16) Right. Right. Right. Mark Hayes (12:27.254) And he's got a brown wife. He's got a brown wife. So how's he gonna be the leader of MAGA? MAGA's not gonna go for that. MAGA is not that advanced. Right? They they're not that progressive in the movement to accept a leader with a brown wife. It's not happening, JD. So you can forget that. and then after that, who do you have? Sloppy Steve? You know, crazy Steven? you know. Bannon and Miller, you know, the those guys are not long for the penitentiary either. They better come up with some health issues. because a lot of people are gonna go to jail. because and hopefully America will have learned its lesson to prosecute criminals, even if they are white men, because these are the guys trying to destroy the democracy. Brock Ganeles (13:20.427) Yeah, but I I don't I don't I don't see where hardcore MAGA can go. So like I don't see them dissipating and just reintegrating back into a broader American society. I think this is gonna be a at least medium term, you know, knife fight. That they're not gonna go quietly into the night. They've had this taste of power. They've all gotten wealthier, now they've gotten used to strutting around America, talking shit on everyone and really running shit. I think that they're they're not going down without a fight, even without Trump as their leader. So I think their leader will be someone who's pretty militant. I don't Vant think Vance has it in him. I don't think Rubio has it in him. And that's why I get back to Don Jr. I mean, Tucker Carlson's kind of soft, but his rhetoric is pretty strong. Mark Hayes (14:13.022) Right. Right. And Rubio's a brown guy. Rubio's a brown guy. Is it g he's gonna do it? Danny Terrio? what what's the guy's name? Tari the the head of the Proud Boys. Rico Terry. Yeah. Brock Ganeles (14:14.401) He fits he they like his white supremacy. What? Yeah. Brock Ganeles (14:28.603) Ta yeah, Tario, I've forgotten already. He's he's first online to get to get the money from the slush fund, but I can't remember his name. Yeah. Yeah, should should still be in jail. Mark Hayes (14:38.23) Yeah, he's supposed to get like three mil. But, you know, how's the brown guy gonna lead the white supremacist political movement? I mean, it's frightening. It's frightening how ridiculous it is and how hypocritical MAGA is in all its luster. Right? You know, they they were the guys against Pizzagate, right? And the pedophilia, except for the leader of the party's pedophilia and all the rich guys attached to him. They don't want to talk about that. Brock Ganeles (15:03.319) Yeah, th a good tr yeah, a good trial balloon on this topic is how Vivek Ranswamy does running for I think governor of Ohio. Because because MAGA is so racist, right? Like so he's their guy. He's saying what they want to hear for the most part, but it's coming from a brown face. And most of them just can't get past that. Mark Hayes (15:15.965) yeah. Mark Hayes (15:27.565) Right. Brock Ganeles (15:32.395) Right? That's why remember when Tim Scott really thought he was a candidate for vice president? Like, get the fuck out of here, right? They even carved up, you know, even Nikki Halley got carved up on that front, right? She could get maybe a third of MAGA, but that other hardcore MAGA ain't going for it. It's too embedded in in their entire life philosophy. It's really as much it's more of who they are. Mark Hayes (15:32.471) Right. Mark Hayes (15:36.686) What are you smoking? Brock Ganeles (16:01.645) I would argue then they're then their religion, then being American, like their religion is the most important thing in their lives. Mark Hayes (16:01.921) Right. Mark Hayes (16:11.863) Right. Brock Ganeles (16:12.491) I mean their racism, sorry, their racism is the most important thing in their lives. And you can't they're not going to compromise on that. They'll compromise on other things, but they're not going along with a person of color telling what to do. Mark Hayes (16:17.079) Right. Mark Hayes (16:27.38) No, absolutely not. you saw Donald Trump responded to the Jackson Dark controversy? Thanks, President Trump, for keeping that rolling along. Brock Ganeles (16:29.067) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (16:38.135) I did not see Trump's response. Mark Hayes (16:40.662) Yes. He says, hey, just just the end part of it, you know. Jackson, it's great being with you. I know you're taking some heat from the radical left lunatics who are jealous of you. I don't think Abdul Carter is jealous of him. But I also know your jersey also went to number one. no, it didn't. And you're making millions of dollars. You are a winner, they're all losers. Brock Ganeles (16:53.546) Okay. Mark Hayes (17:10.154) in all caps. I'll see you in the White House, President DJ T. Brock Ganeles (17:11.532) Wow. Brock Ganeles (17:16.479) Wow, okay. Well, people did a little research and Jackson Thart's pretty hardcore hardcore MAGA if you just follow his social media. So this was not some, I just happened to be there and didn't really know what was going on and I'm not political and you know had no idea. Just just a foot you know, just a football player making an announcement and I respect the present presidency because I'm American and all that shit. no, he's hardcore MAGA. Okay, own it. Mark Hayes (17:25.379) Yeah. Mark Hayes (17:41.74) Right. Right. Brock Ganeles (17:45.803) That's what Abdul Carter said to him. Like, actually, you know, said, like, look, I can play with anyone. And we are both athletes, Mark. We've been on teams. You always love all your teammates. You certainly don't fucking agree with him on everything. But it's easy to say, hey, we step on that field. I could be a teammate of anyone, right? I'm here to play, I'm here to win. I put everything else aside when I step across those lines. The problem America makes very often. Mark Hayes (17:46.53) No aí. Mark Hayes (17:57.613) Right. Mark Hayes (18:07.66) Let. Mark Hayes (18:11.022) Right. Brock Ganeles (18:14.291) Is to think that when an athlete steps back over those lines and and is a regular human being, that they can't have regular human being opinions and thoughts. I'm all for Jackson Dart expressing his political opinions and his outlook, his religious opinions. He has the absolute right to say whatever he wants, back any candidate he wants, back any movement that he wants. And he also has the absolute right to face the consequences for for it. And to have to defend it and like any other citizen, right? I'm a believer in the First Amendment. Go ahead. Say your peace. Mark Hayes (18:48.865) Yeah. Mark Hayes (18:58.406) Absolutely. And don't try to run away from it. You know, and that's all we're saying. Don't try to run away from it. With your support comes the consequence of that support. That's all we're saying. Is don't be surprised when you can't make money in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut because you're not marketable. Brock Ganeles (18:59.703) Ret the chips for Brock Ganeles (19:20.225) Yeah, what for good endorsement is he gonna get? Papa John's or Papa John's maybe? I'm trying you know Mark Hayes (19:23.182) Not in not in Metro. Hey, all the companies that are afraid of Trump will will will pay him. Right? That's because that's what we're up against right now. You know? And you know, he'll get an Amazon special, you know, to try to rebuild the brand or something, s like Melania did, you know, and no one'll watch like they did with Melania. but those are the only folks that are going to support that bullshit. look, you work in a talent pool that's 80% black and brown. And then we also have some others in there. We have some Asians, we have some American Samoans, right? We have some others in there. We just had a player drafted from, I think, was it Nigeria? by the Philadelphia Eagles, some guy who's a freak of nature, just an unbelievable physical sess specimen. So, you know, at Accept the consequences when they come. You want to be proud about supporting a guy, you know, who's an avowed bigot, a con man, a menace, a disgrace, a convicted felon, a pedophile, fascist, fraud, a bully. You know, call him whatever you want. The narcissist, the grifter, you know, call them whatever you want. But accept all of it. You can't accept just some of it. I like what he's done for the country. What What the fuck has he done for the country? He's gonna pay the fucking guys that tried to overthrow the country with your money. That's what you like? You have to own all of it. All of it. You can't just pick and choose what you like. But you're right. You you look at his social media and he's getting cooked on social media now. I mean, he is getting roasted. Right. Brock Ganeles (21:17.795) Because people are figuring out who he is. And this ties back to the Freedom concert getting canceled and artists recognizing immediately, like, whoa, I'm I'm at a Trump event. I'm not at some innocuous play a big concert in the park that celebrates America. This thing has gotten co-opted, and this is a political event. And Mark Hayes (21:43.149) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (21:44.235) You should know that about anything Trump goes near as a political event, right? And so those artists pulled out in a heartbeat because of how the taint is, right? How negative your perception becomes to 65 to 68% of the country that disapproves of Trump. If they disapprove of Trump, they're gonna disapprove of you associating with Trump. And you're welcome to do that. Mark Hayes (22:10.604) Do the math. Right. Brock Ganeles (22:13.421) There are plenty of people out there that are on board, like you said, you know, Kid Rocks of the World, Vanilla Ices of the World, Dean Keynes, you know, they're not the most talented people. Mark Hayes (22:28.11) And and and and that's you know, look at look at the people who are supporting them out loud, Brock, like you just said. Right? who's the rock star? Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, you know, these loony tunes, Dana Lesh. Like we didn't know who Dana Lesh was until she became so hateful as part of the NRA. Brock Ganeles (22:50.987) Yeah, she's like N R A, right. Yeah, she was N R A. Mark Hayes (22:54.22) Yeah, the NRA lady thinking everybody should have a gun, you know, hanging up in the back of their freaking pickup truck. You know, we didn't we didn't we didn't even know who these people Steve Bannon. We didn't know anything about Steve Bannon. You know, and Roger what's Yeah. Yeah, like we didn't know anything about these people. Brock Ganeles (23:11.713) Roger Stone, yeah, he'd been around since the Nixon days. We're gonna see, Mark, things are gonna get more heated. This this whole tamp down we need to come together bullshit. We're not coming together. We're in a fucking battle for the Mark Hayes (23:28.097) Nope. Brock Ganeles (23:32.167) Soul of America and the future of America and the future of America as a democratic country. We're not coming together because we disagree on that fundamental point. So it's gonna get more contentious as we move towards an election, which is supposedly our democratic way of solving these problems. But we're not gonna hold hands into the election booth. It ain't fucking happening. Mark Hayes (23:39.512) Yeah. Mark Hayes (23:44.194) Yeah. Mark Hayes (23:54.178) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (23:59.317) It's gonna be a series of fights, and no one is gonna be allowed to try to play the middle of the road, keep it quiet, why don't that kumbaya, we should all get along. We're not gonna get along. We fundamentally fucking disagree. We ain't getting along. That's not what we're going for here. We're going for power. We're going for taking back the country, and then we'll start working on unifying it. Mark Hayes (24:20.61) No. Brock Ganeles (24:29.363) it's been taken back. Not before after it's been taken back. We'll start having our own skirmishes about policy and the like. But till then we're in a fucking knife fight. Mark Hayes (24:33.331) Exactly. Exactly. Mark Hayes (24:42.796) Yep. And that's the only way we can begin those ha to have those conversations is after it's taken back. Because the group in charge now doesn't want to have them. All right, buddy. Perfect place to end. That's it for today. We'll rack it up and do it again tomorrow. Sound good? Revolution. All right, buddy. Peace. Brock Ganeles (24:58.051) All right, Mark, always a pleasure.